• lol

    If that was positive, I’d hate to see what a negative 8-year tenure looks like.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      as far a Jay goes I have a positive view. As an organization I have a negative view. The Bears have failed as an organization, and you don’t have to look very deep to figure out the failures.
      1. Turner
      2. Martz
      3. Babich
      4. Tice
      5. Emery
      6. Trestman
      7. Kromer
      8. Tucker

      People want to place all the blame on Jay, but in doing so they miss the real failures of the organization.

      • Look at their draft record from about 2007 to 2014 (as far as we can fairly evaluate right now).

        It’s absolute horse shit.

        Doesn’t matter how good your QB is, if you draft poorly for a decade you’re gonna suck (just ask Andrew Luck).

        Which is not to say that Cutler was some HOF QB trapped on a shitty roster, or anything like that. He was good but not great. Not terrible. An average to above-average (at times) starting QB who locked the position down for 8 years and gave the Bears their longest period of stability at the position since probably Sid Luckman.

        It’s time to move on. He’s getting old, gets hurt too much, and they have the opportunity to try for the next guy this year. But let’s not act like dumping Cutler fixes all the problems.

        • And this is the cruel part: they genuinely seem headed in the right direction based on young talent on the roster for the first time in over a decade. If that turns out to happen shortly after Cutler leaves, everybody will unfairly say it’s because he’s gone, which is 100% horse shit and not even remotely true.

          • BearDown100393

            Are the Bears truly any better now at developing a quarterback compared to Cutler’s arrival?

          • We have no idea. They have all new people in place to identify and acquire the QB, and all new people in place to develop the QB, and an all new roster in place to support the QB.

            New doesn’t equal better. It doesn’t equal worse. I genuinely have no clue how this would go. Fox has never really developed a young QB outside of Jake Delhomme.

          • BearDown100393

            I have more confidence in Pace finding a QB than the coaching staff developing that said QB especially with Gase long gone.

          • willbest

            Nope. Fox hasn’t ever developed a QB.

          • BearDown100393

            That is my concern also.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            in his defense he never really had too. In Carolina he got Delhomme in his 2nd year, and he was fired the year after Delhomme left. In Denver he got Manning his 2nd year. His offense is suited for young QBs, good running game, short passing game, a fairly accurate rookie QB should look decent in the system. Hell he made Hoyer and Barkley look serviceable. NOTE: That last statement is in no way an endorsement of either of those crap stain QBs.

          • yeah, the only young QB he ever failed to develop was Tim Tebow.

            I don’t blame Fox for that.

          • Johnnywad

            He took the Panthers to the Super Bowl with Delhomme who was an UDFA and won a playoff game with Tim Tebow. Tebow probably would have won a second had it been anybody but the Patriots. This “develop the QB” bullshit is about as thick as “Elite Franchise QB”. If anybody can make chicken salad out of chicken shit at the QB position, Fox has proven he can.

          • willbest

            Fox retired 4 years ago.

          • Johnnywad

            That’s horseshit too. The guy took over a completely fucking dismal team in year one and was competitive all year long. In year two he had 20 on IR and still managed to give the playoff bound Lions and Packers all they could handle in the last month of the season.

            That narrative is going to sound pretty stupid if they come out this year and win some games. The defense is a couple FAs away from being sound. So let’s see what they do about the QB position and go from there.

            Saying he’s not trying is silly. He’s had a JV team on the field two years running.

          • willbest

            I might be a shmuck, but Elway sent his ass packing for a reason.

          • Johnnywad

            I would guess philosophical differences before lack of interest or effort. For somebody that supposedly was done, he sure took another job pretty fast.

          • willbest

            Elway called him out for his lack of fight. I guess that is a philosophical difference.

          • Johnnywad

            1.) Elway is a known Dbag

            2.) The Bears seem to play with effort down to the wire the last two seasons. He makes mistakes, all coaches do. But I don’t see lack of effort

          • willbest

            They started flat 28 of the 32 games he coached as a Bear. And he doesn’t make adjustments.

          • Johnnywad

            If they started flat, I presume they were losing. How did they win any of those games without “adjustments”?

            We just aren’t going to agree on this one. If he rolls out and wins ten games this year, will you still say he’s retired?

          • willbest

            Nope, but then if 8 wins is the line, I am taking the under and not looking back.

          • Johnnywad

            Let’s revisit this after the FA period and the draft. Perhaps we arrive at a bet over a nice bottle of something or other.

            I believe Fox still has the chops to coach a winning season if given a decent roster. You do not.

            So what’s your flavor?

            If I win I’d like a bottle of Glenmorangie 12.

          • willbest

            Glenmorangie 12 is my go to.

            But I don’t see Fox still being competitive in week 14 without some magic having been done by Pace.

          • Johnnywad

            Lets talk after the draft when we know what the roster could look like.

          • willbest

            We only won 9 games. Sure we lost by less than a score in a slew of others but there is a reason those games never fell our way. And how many of those 9 games did we dominate?

          • Irish Sweetness

            You could have rearranged the deckchairs on the Titanic … would it have made a difference?

          • Irish Sweetness

            If turning a 1-15 team into a superbowl team the next season isn’t having “fight”, then I don’t know what is.

          • willbest

            Dude, that was 12 years ago.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Is John Elway a genius? Not many would say he is. Maybe he was wrong.

          • And this is why he wants Hoyer.

            Fox just wants someone who won’t turn kill the team, and he figures he can take it from there.

          • Johnnywad

            Could be. And they may have well won several games with Hoyer this season if the injury bug hadn’t bitten so hard. We’ll never know.

            We’ll find out real soon. I’m not a Hoyer fan, but if they draft a kid early and presumed to be a long term starter while keeping Hoyer, I can live with that.

            If he’s planning on Hoyer being the guy going forward I’m gonna be pissed about it.

          • willbest

            He can’t. History shows you that much.

          • Johnnywad

            Is that even a thing anymore? Outside of Rodgers, and only because he was behind Favre, what top shelf, starting QBs are being “developed”? They just come in and start. They practice everyday and play. Some get better. Some don’t. I don’t see this mythological development process happening anywhere.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            it is not just having the guy sit on the bench and calling it “development”. It is molding on offense to a guy to give him the best chance to succeed.

          • Johnnywad

            So “practice”.

          • Teams mold in practice and games now vs the bench for a couple years.

            Cousins may have been “molded” though, and I doubt he learned anything from RG3.

            Then again, maybe Cousins comes in like gangbuster first yr.

            Hard to say.

            But Favre was a bust b4 GB. Warner and Gannon also excelled with diff coaches who “molded” them.

          • Johnnywad

            Oh they used to come in and wait it out. No doubt. But those guys you just mentioned…….long time ago. I don’t see many guys learning the trade behind a starter and finding their groove three or four years in anymore.

          • Cousins is really the only recent example, though, one might argue, Garrapolo or McCarron could fall into “molded” when given the chance (Oz was another, but we saw how that project went)

            Wilson is sorta interesting though.

            Maybe he’s the modern version of “molded”. Bring them along slowly. Rely on run and D.

            It wasn’t really till Wilson’s 3rd year that he put up good passing yds.

          • Johnnywad

            If Jimmy G and AJ pan out as long term starters, it will prove I’m dead wrong. Not buying the Cousins model though. He didn’t sit long and damn sure didn’t learn anything from RG 3.

            I like the Wilson scenario you painted. But what a luxury they had there between that D and Lynch. Talk about a comfy starting point. Not many will have that opportunity.

          • SC Dave

            We have an up and coming D and Jordan Howard. So it could be next year in Chicago

          • Johnnywad

            That would be nice, but long way to go behind the linebackers. And with both McPhee and Trevathan on junk knees, maybe not even set there.

          • willbest

            We do?

            Danny is likely not going to be ready for opening day. McPhee won’t ever be the same. Big question at RDE and NT. We have nobody in the secondary. Floyd should look good with a season in the weight room. And Young and Freeman are quality players but they are 30 and 31.

          • Part of the equation is trusting Pace to continue building off a stellar 16 offseason (in both FA and the draft).

            Couple that with our needs lining up nicely with the market, and that should warrant a measure of optimism (not to mention assuming avoiding catastrophic injuries again, and no more Cargo).

          • Irish Sweetness

            And hopefully Fournette …

          • Cousins wasn’t the full time starter till his 4rth yr, so he did sit a while, though he did get some limited action beforehand due to RG3 injuries.

            But to be clear, Kyle Shanny molded Cousins, not RG3. Kyle was the one that targeted him in the draft, developed him on and off the bench, and may trade for him now in SF.

            I think Cousins is a pretty clear example of being “molded” by an OC.

            Though I must admit, would he have turned out the same if he were an immediate starter? Can’t say really.

            We saw a lot of QBs flame out like that (Gabbert), while others have excelled.

            Tyrod Taylor might be another example of “molding”

          • Johnnywad

            My mistake on Cousins. I don’t remember him being in the league that long. I had him figured for a season or two at most.

          • Cousins was drafted in the 4rth the same yr as RG3.

            Pretty ballsy on the part of the Skins.

            Maybe Pace double-downs this yr like that if he’s a bit iffy on the QBs at the top.

            Say a Turbisky/Kaaya combo

          • Johnnywad

            I wonder if Cousins was the better player the whole time? I know RG 3 had crazy athleticism before the knee. But pretty much the way it goes for that style of player. Cousins looks legit NFL. RG 3 kinda looked like he was gonna get killed early on.

          • Bender McLugh

            here here! Give that man a brewski

          • If the captains are steering the ship in the right direction, then throwing Cutler overboard is part of the reason why the sailing will be smoother.

            It’s not as if some other GM is stealing Cutler thus crippling our voyage.

            Pace is dumping Cutler, and has been wanting to dump Cutler since he was trying for Mariotta.

            Right direction. Agreed.

          • Right direction meaning they finally have some quality young guys they drafted and are developing. That hasn’t happened since 2004 or so.

            Pace wanted Mariota in 2015, but rumors were he wouldn’t just dump Cutler for nothing. He wanted real value in return, couldn’t get it, so he kept Cutler. Then after 2015 he was talking about building around Cutler.

            They’re moving on because they’re going young and want the guy to grow with this roster and be there for the next 10 years. It’s the right time to find the next guy due to the state of their roster combined with Cutler’s age and injury history.

          • My point is, the same brains collecting quality young guys are the same brains dumping Cutler. If you trust Pace’s decision making, then cutting Cutler is part of that process to IMPROVING.

            It’s not just for the sake of going young. If the Bears could get Rothlisburg right now, they would, and he’s no spring chicken or exactly the model of health.

            It’s about WINNING, and Pace has determined that a team without Cutler gives them the best chance short or long term.

            And I agree. And that’s why they’ll become better.

          • They’re building for the long term, which is why the time is right to move on and find the next guy. The odds are pretty good that their QB this year will be worse than Cutler this year, IMO.

            But it’s not about this year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ‘Dumping Cutler’ could also be don by drafting Trubisky and keeping Cutler.

        • IMO, the current obstacle to winning is Albino Lovie.

          He made some of the stupidest in-game decisions last year that cost us games by themselves, nvm the QBs or INJs.

          Maybe better talent can save Fox from himself, but I’m skeptical.

          As for Cutty, if he were an “above avg” QB, then you predict he’ll start this year, right?

          • If Cutler is in the NFL this year, he’s starting. Still one of the best 20 QBs in the NFL when healthy.

          • Johnnywad

            Correct

          • Irish Sweetness

            Top ten for me.

          • BerwynBomber

            He was average/bordering below average. Not above average. That is just homer/fanboy-ism trying to hang onto something.

            His stats were average as was his W-L record. And his big game performance (as evidenced by his play against GB and somewhat DET) was rancid.

            But yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts this year. He’s an average-to-below average NFL starter. That’s enough to find a gig.

            Hell, Josh McCown found a couple of starting gigs in his post-Bears life.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Are you talking about Cutty’s stats LAST year? When he was playing injured?

      • willbest

        I think Martz would have made the playoffs in 2012. Don’t get me wrong he wasn’t a great OC. He thought he had tackles and didn’t know how to use a tight end in the modern NFL. But he knew how to manage Cutler’s weaknesses. Give him Brandon Marshall and easily two more wins over Tice.

        Quite frankly I don’t know why he wasn’t paid to come back. He didn’t select the backup QB, and he didn’t tell Cutler to break his thumb chasing down his own interception.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          stubborn to a fault. need to be able to adjust. he never did that. 1st half of Giants game with 9 sacks said it all, could have switched to a quick passing game but kept calling 7 step drops. fuck him.

          • CanadaBear

            Most of us watching on TV were pretty sure Cutler was in la-la land by the middle of the second quarter. What Martz did was insane.

          • Much like with Buddy Ryan, he didn’t want to change his scheme but enforce his will.

            Agree that Martz should’ve been more flexible, but there’s also little doubt that he got the most out of Cutler (more than Gase IMO) before he went down with that thumb.

        • BerwynBomber

          Martz historically will be noted as a MUCH BETTER OC than Cutler was a QB. It won’t even be close, really.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I always intimate that if your players are really good, then it’s hard to fuck that up. Martz against the Giants was a fucking idiot.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        You’ve got this all wrong big penis. As an organization, they hit it outta the park. They had all of Bear Fandom thinking Super Bowl. That sir, was pure Genius.

      • BerwynBomber

        And you could add Cutler to that list. In fact, Cutler has been a much longer constant than the guys your mention.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          true, I don’t deny Jay does not deserve some of the blame, but when the organization puts shit on the field and chooses shit for coaches and GMs, a majority of the blame needs to placed on the organization.

      • It was both. You don’t think all those coaches were trying to train Cutler to place the football high-and-tight or not carry it like a loaf of bread? Or to stop back-peddling, locking on to receivers, or being oblivious to the rush?

        Cutler might’ve thought, “Man, Martz is trying to kill me” but Martz was probably thinking, “Man, if Cutler were only half as smart as Warner or had his pocket presence and mechanics…””

        Martz deemed Cutler so stupid, he took away his audibles. And it WORKED.

        (Gase did the same).

        I think that tells you all you need to know about Cutler, and why he’s going to be backpeddling to NY or CLE.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          I am not saying Jay does not deserve some blame, however a majority of the blame goes on the Bears for doing nothing for years to help him succeed.

          • Mediocre structure + mediocre QB = Bears

            But let’s say Cutler was on the Pats for all those years. Do they even win a SB?

            First thing McDaniels did when he went to the Broncos was try to trade Cutler.

            Bears and Cutler were a toxic mix in retrospect, but how can one not deem his tenure a failure?

            It’s all about SBs, or at the very least, continued excellence, and the Bears got neither under Cutler even with a championship caliber D early on.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            yes the Pats would have won a SB with Cutler.

            From some accounts McDaniels was an arrogant prick when he went to Denver. He is also the guy that traded up to the first round to pick Tim Tebow. SMFH! He wanted his own guy QB, and Denver front office were willing to give it to him. Also, remember McDaniels did not last long in Denver either.

            We were not winning any SB or having any continued excellence during that time period no matter who the QB was. Jay was a piece of a puzzle that was missing a lot of pieces and had pieces that did not belong. Was Jay one of the wrong pieces? In my opinion, no. I deem the organization as a failure during that tenure, I will not put all blame on one player.

          • Here’s my question.

            Would Grossman or Orton have won as many games as Jay?

            I think they would’ve.

          • willbest

            Jay was making magic back there in 2011 with just him and Forte. I don’t see Grossman or Orton doing that.

          • Maybe Jay wins 1-2 more games per yr than Grossman/Orton. Maybe.

            So instead of 6-10, 8-8

            (Though didn’t Orton win 10 games his rook yr? mmmhmm)

          • willbest

            Kyle Orton’s 2005 (15 games)

            190/368 51.6% completion 9 TDs, 13 INTs, 5.1 yards per attempt, 125 yards per game, 7.5% sack 59.7 PR.

            Cutler’s 2006 (5 games)
            81/137 59.1% completion 9 TDs 5 INTs 7.3 yards per attempt, 200 yards per game, 88.5 rating

            I think the Bears go deep in 2005 if they could have a rookie Jay Cutler.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            That team won in spite of Orton not because of him.

          • Most likely with Orton. He was a game manager with horrendous stats.

            But how about Grossman.

            Would there have been a discernible difference between him and Cutler?

            Cutler can throw it farther but other than that?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            now we are talking the difference between strip sacks and fumbled snaps.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            however the performance distance between Good Rex and Bad Rex significantly greater than that between Good Jay and Bad Jay.

          • willbest

            I would bet money that Cutler wins the super bowl in 2006.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Kyle Orton is the NFL all-time passes to one receiver in a single-game record holder. That’s a sizeable record to have. He’s somebody.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He was a rookie. He did okay.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            not doubting that, i think he was a 4th round pick. he did nothing spectacular. he had less that 2k yards and more ints than tds. no one expected anything more from him.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I doubt it but I will give you a maybe, which proves my point. The organization was CRAP, hence most of the blame should be placed on the organization for employing crap coaches, gm’s, and drafting awful players.

          • BerwynBomber

            And over-investing in an average starting QB with limited ball security.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Orton + our picks back. The deal cannot be said to have been worth it. Nothing came of it. And now we get no picks abck. The time to trade Cutty was long ago.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Because McDaniels feels something .. it’s true?

    • BearDown100393

      The Bears failed Jay far more than Jay failed the Bears.

    • Sahr Gborie

      AMEN. WE ARE TOO USED TO LOSING TO KNOW WHAT BAD IS

      • Bender McLugh

        dude, are you Barb?

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Eye just don’t see it.

          • Bender McLugh

            it’s the caps, ‘trowin me off

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol

        • Johnnywad

          Can’t be. Doesn’t say “What of fuck is this?”

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Hahaha

          • Didn’t he have a peculiar insult he threw around, like calling ppl “goat fuckers” or something.

            I vaguely remember he had an odd insult.

          • Johnnywad

            Seems like it. I just don’t remember the particulars either. That guy was always a Patriots fan. Never understood why he even showed up here. But, he said he’d leave if the Bears took a receiver first. And I’ll be damned if he didn’t stick to his word. Not a peep since. The Bears burning a first round pick on White seems like a fair price to pay in this light.

          • SC Dave

            Lol… amen.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The guy Davis Webb throws to even looks like Kevin White …

        • Irish Sweetness

          Barb just won the SB.

          • Bender McLugh

            null

    • beninnorcal

      If it was so negative, how did it last for 8 years?

      • willbest

        Because in every year the alternative was either WAY too expensive (trading up) or dogshit.

      • BerwynBomber

        Good question. Personally, I think it only should have lasted five or six years. (And technically, it was nine not eight, right?) And I don’t know if Cutler’s tenure was so much negative as disappointing. But positive I don’t get at all.

        Btw, the same person who brought us Trestman and Shea also made sure we had Cutler for three or four more. That explains some of why it lasted as long as it did.

      • Same reason Ike and Tina Turner lasted so long

        “He can change!”

    • BerwynBomber

      If I could give your post 10 upvotes I would. But yeah, pretty much nails it.

      This city’s Cutty Love I’ll never quite understand, though one partial theory of mine is that fans overreacted to the NFCC bike-riding criticism to over-valuing/loving him. To the point where they got extremely protective/defensive.

      • Governerd

        I think the Cutty love is easily explainable: Shane Matthews, Henry Burris, Todd Collins, Chad Hutchinson, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Cade McNown, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Rick Mirer; even the qbs that were any good weren’t always the easiest to watch (Miller, Orton, Grossman, etc.). Cutler looked more like a modern quarterback than anything we’d seen before.

        • Governerd

          That being said, I voted “too close to call,” there were some ups and a ton of downs but they took a shot for once.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    A total and utter facking failure. Eye wasted years of my eye sight on him.

  • willbest

    Do we know if it was Kim Kray Kray that assassinated his half-brother or if it was political opposition?

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      If you saw it on TV, it’s a just gotta be true. Right? Sauron see’s all!

      • willbest

        Well supposedly it was done by duping a girl to put a cloth on him as a reality tv stunt. At least according to John Oliver. I haven’t been following it too closely other than to note however it was done ifar more creatively than dying in a weight lifting accident a week before you were set to testify against the Clintons.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Jess, prefer the less public approach like on the golf course where I’ve died a thousand deaths. Surely Trump could have made this happen. He he

        • SC Dave

          Their murders are astonishingly uninvestigated.

    • leftcoastdave

      Clint Jong Hill owed him for stealing his fashion style so she handled it for him. Been there, done that, got the body count to prove it.

  • Waffle

    The Bears failed to draft properly for the latter majority of Angelo’s tenure and on into Emery’s tenure. Those catastrophic failures resulted in a solid core of defense and special teamers simply growing old and less effective. Angelo’s admitted method of not targeting WR talent hurt us badly. The offensive line debacle of the 2009 to 2015 Bears is well documented.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      You’ve got this all wrong Yonny. Just imagine what Jay could have accomplished with Ron Turner. We could have actually gotten value by trading Cutler back then.

      #howiseetheworld

      • Waffle

        uh, trading Cutler in 2009 when we got him in 2009?
        u ok buddy?

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          I keed, I keed. Lighten up Yonny, what happened to you? I’m just trying to look of the bright side.

    • CanadaBear

      And the QB was unable to overcome these obstacles has also been well documented. Most of the regs don’t hate Cutler it’s just time to cut bait.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        In all seriousnes, I have a simple outlook on the whole Cutler thing. McDaniels cut bait on a tempestuous unteachable but talented QB. That’s exactly who we got when Cutler came to Chicago. I’m soo sick and fackin tired of people who act like Cutler didn’t get a fair opportunity in Chicago. That’s such utter bullshit, he got 8 frigging years. It’s owe..ver…, time to move on.

        • willbest

          He played solidly in 10, 11, 13, and 15. And 14 was a total team shit show. He just isn’t durable at this point.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Playoff victories will. That’s all any right minded bears fan wants. It’s not even about Jay, it’s about winning playoff games.

          • BerwynBomber

            In 2010 he finished 22nd in QBR and 16th in Passer Rating. He was below average that year. Our D and STs carried us to division title and playoffs — Cutty’s lone appearance.

            In 2013, he played well but so did McCown; in fact, McCown slightly outplayed him.

            In 2011, he got hurt. He looked good that year under Martz, but his stats weren’t all that and a bag of chips.

            In 2015, he looked decent under Gase, but who knows if the Jay Cutler-as-Alex Smith act would have been sustainable.

      • SC Dave

        This. I answered too close to call. He gave us hope, only to crush it.

        But in the end, Jay was okay. By me.

        But its time to move on.

  • BerwynBomber

    Over 40% view Cutler’s tenure as positive? Good lord …

    • CanadaBear

      It’s all about lowered expectations.

      • BerwynBomber

        I suppose.

        If nothing else it should bode well for the next guy. Almost regardless of who he is and how he plays.

    • The silent majority, as always.
      Or Waffle furiously clicking between betting on chinese ping-pong tournaments and cricket championships.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Hahaha

      • BerwynBomber

        You’re right. I should not be surprised. Cutty has never lost the vote in a Jeff poll. Just figured people would finally step back and say, “yeah, that was kinda disappointing …”

        Ah well. Jersey retirement in a few years … Jay Culter Day as Solider …

        • And hence my Avatar.

          NEVER forget silent lurkers! Never forget!

          • CanadaBear

            I’ll be glad when it flies away!

          • Conte’s mug is so punchable too! The perfect mix of smug stoner.

          • SC Dave

            Still has maybe the most athletic Bears INT ever.

            So there’s that.

          • MB30SD

            smfh

          • BerwynBomber

            The Condor!

            Hey, even if Cutty does, indeed, finally go, we will still need the occasional re-appearance from your avi for appropriate reminders.

          • MB30SD

            no, no we don’t.

            Ever.

        • MB30SD

          Kinda?! Fuck me.

          • What would you rather wear first.

            A Cutler or Rivers jersey?

            Third option. The clap.

          • MB30SD

            I already had the clap, so we’d have to go with cutty.

            I’ve get “Mr. Cavallari” on the back

    • Huge Bears Penis

      a lot of fans put the blame on the Bears organization is awful, not all Jay’s fault. see my post below.

      • BerwynBomber

        Saw your post (and responded to it). I’m just not into the absolving our QB of all blame. The blame train has room for both — Jay and the organization.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          It’s a false narrative Ber. “We have sucked for too long” should be the headline. Let the exodus begin.

  • OK, so I began watching some tape on the QBs. Here’s Butch’s take.

    Watson.

    Holy crap. Watching him was like doing coke or something. Seemed like every throw was drama. Few take aways.

    1. Spread/read option QB. Does any fucking college QB go under center? Christ. It’s always hard to project if they can learn “NFL offenses” at the next level. Some say it’s like learning how to drive at the Indy 500.

    Aside from not going under center (and all that entails, like bootlegs, turning back to D, etc), Watson seemed to be a 1-2 read-run QB. And the reads were rather simple. Typical play.

    Puts it in the gut of HB from shotgun. Looks at first read (like a slant). Maybe looks to 2nd, something like a cross. Runs.

    I know the NFL has incorporated some of this, but it has yet to win a SB (Cam/Kap perhaps closest).

    Which brings me to another negative.

    2. Cam/Kap are buff monsters. Watson is not. He was getting CRUSHED on some plays.

    Watson is ultra competitive which led to him taking more hits then he should’ve. I think I only recall him sliding like 2-3 times in 4 games I watched.

    As someone else pointed out, if Watson does this in the NFL, he’ll fucking die.

    And I’m not sure you can rewire that.

    3. Stared down receivers.

    Again, football near HB gut while he’s looking at his first read, usually staring it down. Maybe this is just a symptom of the offenses. Gotta look at something, but this lead to some INTs in which defenders jumped routes.

    And he often missed defenders lurking, so obviously his D recognition needs some work.

    4. NFL throws?

    I don’t think I saw him make NFL throws (unlike Turbisky who had a bunch). Go route, slant, bubble screen mostly. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t see any 15yd out. Corner/post. Hooks, etc.

    This is def something to consider.

    The Positives.

    1. CLUTCH. just CLUTCH. I think his game vs Florida St encompasses all that is Watson. The “Clutch” part fast forward to 6:20

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/deshaun-watson-vs-florida-state-2016/

    It’s 3rd and 11 in a tight one score game. Watson is throwing from his own endzone in a hostile environment. Lot of things can go wrong here. Pressure up the middle and looping.

    Watson just cooly throws a laser to a streaking WR, right between the CB and S.

    First down. Drive continues.

    It seemed that more pressure was on, the more accurate Watson became. The Eli gene, so to speak.

    2. Fearless.

    Fearlessness can be good AND bad. Already touched on the bad (taking big hits. trying to do too much).

    But the good is he doesn’t get rattled with games on the line. He seems to rise to the occasion.

    He makes that throw knowing he’s getting blasted. That goes a long way, esp with

    3. Leadership/intangibles. Gotta love everything about him in that dept. He does have “it”.

    4. Mobility. Obviously, can run and pick up yds with legs, so not a statue.

    Conclusion. Hard to say. Watson is a BIG risk in the top 10.

    Here’s the questions a GM must answer with Watson.

    1. Is he capable of running an NFL O with complex reads and whole field progressions (not just one side)?
    This is the same question for nearly all the QBs in this draft. YUGE question.

    2. Can Watson bulk up? 207 is NOT going to cut it in the NFL. Related question. Can he learn to slide like Wilson, or will his ultra competitiveness always make him dive head first for that yd like Vick?

    3. Can he clean up mechanics? He seems to have a pitching motion to his throw where he winds up.
    He’ll get eaten alive if he continues that (see Bortles).

    I don’t know if I can answer those questions. A team would have to grill him like Chucky in the interview. See him up close to see if he can hit that 15 yd out, or read Ds, or make audibles.

    Essentially, a GM would have to believe his “it” will eventually drive him to figure it out, but that’s a pretty big fucking risk IMO.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, he’s Rodgers size — a touch on the small side so durability could prove an issue, though I’m sure he’ll add some lbs. in time.

      Haven’t studied him to the length you did but on the clutch/leadership/turnovers prism, his resume seems similar to Famous Jameis — i.e., extremely high scores regarding the first two, a troubling, lower score regarding the last.

      • You could watch a lot of tape from him in that site I linked, but really, I think the Florida St game showed all his good and bad.

        Also, I think Winston at least came from a semi NFL O.

        I don’t think Watson took one snap from under center.

        Some may point to Mariotta, but Mariotta was really efficient with only like 7Ints, which reveals a certain football acumen.

        Watson had 17Ints, and I think those came from his difficulty reading Ds, staring down, and sometimes just overly trusting he could squeeze it in.

        He’s a high risk/reward type of QB.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, FSU ran pro sets. I was only making the clutch/leadership/turnovers comparison.

    • willbest

      So Michael Vick if a team is lucky and RG3 if they aren’t.

      • MB30SD

        Yup.

        RGIV

      • Vick never had the touch of Watson (though he did have a rocket arm)

        RG3 never had the “it” factor (lotta ppl thought he was an arrogant poser) though RG3 does seem a reasonable comp.

        So basically, what would happen if you infused RG3 with the Eli clutch gene?

        Stay tuned…

        • Irish Sweetness

          Rod Woodson called Vick the most dangerous QB ever. Watson hasn’t done anything in the NFL yet.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yeah, he’s a very possible bust unless he adapts well. Trubs looks a safer bet.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    President Trump Tweets

    “Seven people shot and killed yesterday in Chicago. What is going on there – totally out of control. Chicago needs help!
    6:01 PM – 23 Feb 2017”

    Suggestions?

    • willbest

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Too many Masons?

        • willbest

          Didn’t demolishing the projects in the 90’s and early 00’s help lower the crime rate? Keep moving the hipsters in and things will get better.

          • Just intern them in Detroit, right Will!?

          • willbest

            They cleared out Brooklyn and are in the process of making Harlem great again. Rahm just needs to bring them to the South and West side.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Didn’t Bubba Make Harlem great again?

          • leftcoastdave

            One . . . at . . . a . . . time.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            With all those muslums? I’m surprised at you butch, not a fair fight.

    • Johnnywad

      40 days of rain?

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I was thinking more in line of a charity golf even.

        • MB30SD

          Locusts… Almost the same thing

    • leftcoastdave

      A new QB?

    • madscout12

      Impeachment.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Not bad, Pence would make an excellent prez. Yes, good idea.

        • madscout12

          I’m semi-conflicted…cause you’re right.

          On the one hand, Pence would not be the leader that Trump is. Trump at least has some charisma. Pence has none.

          On the other hand, it is only a matter of time before Trump destroys himself. His economic promises, which got him elected, are ones that neither he nor any other president can keep. And letting him destroy himself keeps him from being a martyr.

          • willbest

            The stock market is doing great. And if there is one thing I have learned from the Obama recovery, the “Scoreboard” is the DJIA, NASDAQ, and the S&P500

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            But the American people are not, it’s the debt slaves vs the mob. If you have Netflix or Amazon, I suggest grabbing some popcorn and try watching “The Running Man”.

          • Pence. The Hoyer to Trump’s Cutty!

          • willbest

            Not based on your love he isn’t.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            America was founded to manage the British Crowns debt so it’s not up to to Trump to fix it. There is no way out.

  • MB30SD
    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Ooh. I’m reserving that for when my wife leaves me for a more mature older man.

      • MB30SD

        I’m never having a fucking wife again, just hope 20ish poon.

        that marriage stuff is fucking bunk.

        • CanadaBear

          At some point the poon will get older.

          • MB30SD

            nah, not as long as I have cash.

            I’ll just switch from the front pocket to the back pocket (as one of my older mentors says)

          • CanadaBear

            At some point I would think you would want the poon a little older. Not saying you have to be a granny fucker but once you’re in your 60’s, hanging out with women in their early 20’s seems kinda pathetic. See Hugh Hefner.

          • MB30SD

            no, totally. 30s should be fine at that point.

            Ok ok, I actually have no clue what I’ll be into by then canada. Maybe I’ll meet a girl I want to settle down with. I don’t feel that way now… at all… but I’m not closed off to anything.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Hahaha

          • CanadaBear

            I’m guessing out there hotties in their 40’s are very mattressable.

          • MB30SD

            Indeed. My ex would be one of she wasn’t a raving lunatic

          • CanadaBear

            Duly noted!

          • MB30SD

            hahhahahaha

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Well, at least make sure you shop around for bargains.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Yeah but when that happens, all the ugly women dissapear. He he

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          If she doesn’t put out then yeah, why bother?

  • Huge Bears Penis

    compensatory picks were announced Cleveland got 4 extra picks.

    http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/24/14730418/compensatory-draft-picks-nfl-draft-2017-order

    NOTE: Compensatory Picks can be traded this year.

    • willbest

      A 3, two 4s and a 5. Damn.

      • They’ll need it to trade up from #12 to #3!

        • leftcoastdave

          Or how about just trade two twos, two threes and next years first for the 3?

          Grab the whole enchilada.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Cutter and a 7th round pick for a high third. Seriously though, the 6th and 7th round spots for the Bears just became worth less.

      • willbest

        This happens every year. Though it seems like there are a shitton more 3s this year than normal.

      • leftcoastdave

        Don’t da Bears only have one 7 and no 6?

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Jess.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    “Think fans miss this point too often. All that really matters is the 3 division opponents. Beat em and you’re in the postseason.” Sur Jeff.

    No Jeff, we don’t miss the point. Cutler’s record was somewhere around 2 and 13 against the Packers. Turrible.

    • MB30SD

      Tur… eeble

    • Irish Sweetness

      And Lovie’s?

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Yup.

      • CanadaBear

        8-11.

  • MB30SD

    comrades will, dave, lcd… velcome to da new verld. Comrads

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/24/media/cnn-blocked-white-house-gaggle/index.html

    • leftcoastdave

      Not to be confused with what happened to Jim Rosen under Barry-O:

      “Investigators pulled Rosen’s security badge records, phone logs and his
      personal e-mails, but they never charged him with a crime. No reporter
      has ever been prosecuted for seeking classified information.

      The Obama administration has pursued more leak investigations under the
      1917 Espionage Act than all previous administrations combined; it was criticized last week by the Associated Press for a sweeping search of the news agency’s phone records as part of one ongoing probe.”

      But hey, he worked for Fox News so I guess it was ok.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/justice-departments-scrutiny-of-fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-in-leak-case-draws-fire/2013/05/20/c6289eba-c162-11e2-8bd8-2788030e6b44_story.html

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Yeah man, the Fascia does not descriminate.

      • SC Dave

        It’s never a problem when the left abuses the law.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Nah, it’s an act of mercy when you really think about it.

      • MB30SD

        Good point

    • willbest

      Is it really necessary to have a white house press when the official government position is available in stream of conscious on twitter?

      • MB30SD

        conscious is being VERY generous

      • AlbertInTucson

        The White House Press Corps certainly thinks it is necessary.

        Gotta figure that Correspondents Dinner thing is history.

  • Trubisky tape.

    Make this short.

    – Can make all the throws from various platform
    (check out that throw at 5:02 or all the throws he makes from 6:00 on)
    – tight fast release
    – can escape and improv
    – accurate on the run
    – favorable TD-int ratio

    The bad.

    – Same as Watson. Shotgun/spread O.
    – Not a good a runner as Watson (but hopefully he won’t be running read in NFL).

    Has some Cargo traits

    – avg size 6’3 225
    – holds on to the ball too long waiting for WR to get open
    – locks on to receivers
    – sometimes trusts his arm too much
    – not a rah-rah guy by most accounts
    – clutch?
    – 1 yr wonder?

    Sum.

    When you look at Turbisky, you can see an NFL QB. He just looks the part making throws that you see on SUN. For that reason, I think he’s going to be the first QB drafted, possibly by the 9ers or us.

    The biggest question for him is his decision making. He just holds on to the ball to damn long thinking he’s Vadgers or something. Obviously, gotta wonder if he can process plays fast enough or digest NFL O.

    His limited experience can go either way. It could be seen as positive in that he’s a blank slate to mold good habits, or negative in that he’ll be way behind and all this stuff should come instinctively by the time you enter the NFL.

    All-in-all, an interesting prospect. The OC he has must discipline him on timing big time though.

    Here’s the Stanford tape on him (could also see Thomas #90 )

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/mitch-trubisky-vs-stanford-2016/

    • willbest

      He feels like Cutler, which makes me gun shy. However if the interviews reveal he has a solid football IQ then I think you are looking at a Stafford upside with the hopes of maybe a Brady.

      • Turb does have a somewhat cutty vibe, which may turn off a lot of Bear fans.

        However, some major differences.

        1. He doesn’t seem apathetic “dooooon’t care” by most accounts, he’s just somewhat quiet, which can work like it did for Flacco

        2. He’s NOT a TO machine. I think he went like 4 games with 400+ and 0Ints. He only threw 6Ints in fact (2 came vs Stanford) which is less then Mariota

        3. His mechanics are not loose. You don’t see him backpeddling or cradling the football on his waist.

        The biggest drawback I saw was that he’s always looking for that big play. His decision making is suspect. Scouts say he throws with anticipation, but I saw a QB waiting for the WR to get open instead of throwing on rhythm. We sorta saw the same things with Barkley late where he was just trying to do too much and it lead to sacks and INTs.

        But if the Bears draft him, gotta think that Logan believes his decision making is correctable, and between him and Hoyer to mentor, he should learn a lot about getting rid of the ball on time.

        Edit. But Turbisky must sit some. If he’s thrown into the starting role right away with his limited experience and NO experience behind center, it’ll get ugly fast.

        • CanadaBear

          Hope you’re right if the Beloved draft him. I watched the bowl game he was in just to see him. Struck me as a slow processor. Who knows?

          • He def did look like a slow processor. That’s why he held on to the ball too long.

            But is that inherent like with Kap, Vick, Cutler…or does it stem from his very limited experience?

            That’s the part Pace must discover, and it’s a BIG part.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That gets better with time though. Fixable. Recognition.

          • CanadaBear

            It didn’t with Cutler.

          • AlbertInTucson

            What bothers me about Trubisky is, if he is so good, how come he couldn’t beat out the guy, Marquise Williams, he sat behind the season before?

            A guy who went undrafted and is currently not on an NFL roster?

          • Never know with college QBs though, Al.

            Brady sat for 2 years at Michigan.

            Ohio St took TJ Barrett instead of Trubisky.

            Just gotta see what happens when they get the chance (much like with Darnold).

          • AlbertInTucson

            I would still want more of a resume’ before I spent a #1 on him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Steve Young learned football watching Jimmy Mac from the bench. Said so himself.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s a kid.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Nice release. Zippy.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If I had to draft one, he’d be it. He’s a work in progress, but it’s all there.

  • Joecashflow

    Make this short short. No NFCN titles. Chokes the big games.

    • madscout12

      ’10 was a NFCN title. Of course, we lost to a division opponent in the NFCCG, but still.

      Cutty has had some of his greatest games on the big stage. I seem to recall a couple of games against the Eagles in 10 and 11 that were very much great performances in big games.

      Bottom line, there is a new expectation in Chicago, now that Jay Cutler has played QB here. No longer will the Craig Krenzels and Rex Grossmans of the world be enough. No longer will it be OK to just pray that those 11-12 starters on D don’t get injured so they can carry us to a title. There are expectations for the QB position.

  • AlbertInTucson

    SPARTACUS starting on TCM.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Enter, Jean Simmons.

      Yum.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Sorry Jeff, what a waste of a poll. It’s meaningless.

    The only poll is : “Do you want Jay Cutler on the roster in 2017?”

    • Huge Bears Penis

      I have been an ardent supporter of Jay, and I have came to the conclusion that he is gone. I am sure there are a lot of people like me. So it is meaningless to have that poll since it would surprise everyone including Jay if they kept him around.

      • Irish Sweetness

        How is it meaningless? “Do YOU the fan, personally want Jay on the team in 2017?”

        It’s seeing the amount of votes he would get percentage wise. Nobody knows what that is until there is a poll. There’s what, 8 … 10 opinions on this blog? I want to know what everyone thinks.

        • willbest

          Depends on what our objective is.

          If our object is to be competitive in 2017 then our best option is Cutler. Jimmy G (a gamble) will cost draft picks. As would likely Cousins or Tyrod. This would greatly hamper rebuilding the defense. Romo is a worse injury risk than Cutler. The rookie QB’s could play like Dak or Big Ben, but the odds are far more likely you get a Wentz like performance. Uneven.

          If our objective is to get competitive in 2017 then trading Cutler for picks has to be the way to go. If nobody wants to trade for him then you have a question to make as to the best course of action.

          Do you throw the rookie out to the Wolves? cut Cutler

          Do you want the rookie holding a clipboard? who is a better mentor, a Cutler that knows its his last year, or an egoless Hoyer or Josh McCown, etc. Probably the later.

          Do you pass on the rookie altogether? cut Cutler. Almost feels like tanking at that point though.

          • Irish Sweetness

            For me it’s about weighing risk. Jay isn’t a risk. He’s shown he’s turned a corner mentally in relation to looking after the ball. He’d be fine with a good defense and a running game -bolstered by a Fournette pick.

            Drafting Trubisky – in that scenario you can also keep Jay – Trubs isn’t NFL-ready, but he will be. That’s the QB as the position I remember from the Eighties. Young QBs were drafted but sat their apprenticeship. Jay is what, 33 … 34? Let Jay start and give Trubs – if he’s drafted – the benefit of watching and learning.

            You jettison Jay (for no good reason or draft picks) and you’d better have a QB roster in place.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            There’s no substitute for experience, at some point a team has to make a choice. I could argue that’s it’s way overdue but until a QB fulfill’s prophecy, I’m just another voice shouting in the wilderness. It’s time to annoint a new QB. It’s time.

          • CanadaBear

            “For me it’s about weighing risk. Jay isn’t a risk. He’s shown he’s turned a corner mentally in relation to looking after the ball.”

            I love it when you just make stuff up. Here’s Jay’s TD’s vs TO’s starting in 2009; 27/27, 23/22, 13/10, 19/18, 19/15, 28/24, 21/16, 4/7. His big year where he turned the corner had 5 more TD’s than TO’s. Last year’s was almost 2 to 1 to the bad (small sample). + you want to draft a position the Bears don’t need.

          • SC Dave

            Jay is a giant risk.

    • MB30SD

      NO!!!

    • leftcoastdave

      YES. Cutty, Barkley, Shaw and a player to be named later after drafted on Saturday after the D is fixed in FA and the Draft.

      • leftcoastdave

        And a TE or two added.

        • leftcoastdave

          With Jeffrey Tagged.

          • leftcoastdave

            But we don’t need to waste that #3 on a gamble at QB.

        • leftcoastdave

          And maybe Christian McCaffrey picked at the top of the 2nd to return punts, kickoffs, play slot receiver, tailback, safety valve release and wheel route. More likely to be productive next year than any QB in this draft.

          • leftcoastdave

            But then there’s also Dez King to play FS, CB, special teams as well as take the punts and kickoffs.

            Damn, we need more second and third round draft picks.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Aha! Finally, some one has nailed it. Polls were never meant to help the sheeple but rather, the herders. Let those who have ears, hear.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Does this mean y’all are admitting you were wrong in saying that Cutty was better than Jimmy?

    • willbest

      I was bummed when the pats used a late 2 on Jimmy. I was hopping we would get him in the 3rd.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I meant Jimmy Mac. Edited.

    • MB30SD

      hell no he wasn’t, which cuck said that?!

      Jimmy Mac was a winner.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        Jimmy Mac eats soup with a fork.

        • MB30SD

          So do I, what’s wrong with that?!?

      • SC Dave

        When he actually made it onto the fucking field. Well, except for the playoffs, where he never won a game on a team that was not the 1985 Bears.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yup. And in 25 starts between 84 and 87 he was unbeaten when he did.

          Winning.

          • SC Dave

            Who cares? The guy finished once. With the greatest defense in football history.

            Big fucking deal.

    • SC Dave

      MacMahon is the most overrated QB this blog has ever seen.

      He was only useful for one season, in 1985, and even then he didn’t play all the games. A glass QB.

  • Irish Sweetness

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000787679/article/leonard-fournette-likened-to-bo-jackson-herschel-walker

    “We’re talking about elite size and speed. When I say elite size and speed, I’m saying Bo Jackson, Herschel Walker, I guess you could say Eric Dickerson, really, because he was bigger than people think, and he was definitely fast,” Zierlein told the NFL Fantasy Live podcast. “And then Adrian Peterson. We’re talking about a very select group of running backs there, spanning a few decades, and Leonard Fournette falls in that group.”

    • willbest

      Adrian Peterson’s zero super bowl rings disagree

      • MB30SD

        you simply DO NOT EVER draft a fucking RB @ #3… especially when you already have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07FbtI8G9bQ

        smfh.

        • SC Dave

          This. This. This. This. Etc…

        • Irish Sweetness

          So you wouldn’t rather have the best backfield in football ? Hooker looks like he could be something? But so does Baker, and we could have him the second.

          We can find a pass rusher other than from the #3 spot.

          Do we NEED Fournette? No. Can we afford to watch him have an explosive career possibly in our own division? No.

      • BerwynBomber

        MIN’s lack of rings during AP’s tenure is not because of AP. That is a dim suggestion.

        • willbest

          No it isn’t. An RB doesn’t elevate a team. And as MB points out, its not like we have dogshit at the position. If we suffered through Langford with no Howard breakout then we could talk about that LSU kid.

          • BerwynBomber

            Take Howard off our team next year. Put Langford or Carey in his place. How much do you think that will affect the O?

            P.S. I don’t give a shit about Irish’s wacky personnel suggestions. I’m arguing the notion that a great RB has no positive impact on a team. As you seem to suggest as it pertained to Peterson.

          • willbest

            Who is the starting QB?

          • BerwynBomber

            What does that have do with judging AP because of lack of rings? Fuck, I’m not even sure judging QBs on SB rings is the be all end all.

          • willbest

            It was about answering how much better the team will be with Howard than Langford. If there is no deep ball threat, then I don’t think it matters who the RB is.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Dan Marino? Never won a ring so there is that.

          • SC Dave

            I absolutely disagree.

          • willbest

            The vikings have been to the playoffs 4 times with AP, and the only time they won was when they had Favre.

            2008: 14-26 loss to the Eagles
            2012: 10-24 loss to Packers
            2015: 9-10 loss to Seattle

            2009 (Favre): 34-3 win to Cowboys
            2009 (Favre): 28-31 loss to Saints

            Want another approach. Adrian Peterson came into the league in 2007. Exclude 2014 when he was suspended and 2016 when he was broken down shell of himself. In the other 8 seasons, the vikings are 65-63. That is their record with an elite RB.

          • BerwynBomber

            So it is AP’s fault?

          • willbest

            Running your offense through your RB gets you through the bad teams, and some wins against teams at your level. Nice for an 8-8 season. It doesn’t get you through good teams with any consistent basis. That is just the reality of today’s NFL. And its been that way for a good 20 years.

          • BerwynBomber

            Of course. But why can’t a team have an elite RB and an elite QB? AP was not the reason MIN failed to win a ring during his tenure. They didn’t win because their QB play was never all that except for one year with Favre. Plus, they had some crappy HC’s for a number of years.

          • willbest

            You could have both. That would be excellent. But where as an elite QB dramatically increases your chance of playoff success, an elite RB does not.

            Rodgers is insane (only missed the playoffs 1 year in his starting career and only 1 season below .500 and it was 6 wins), and the Packers are reasonably well run so we will skip over him. And we will jump Brady and Peyton to go look at the “worst” of the elite. Brees who doesn’t get much in the way of help in NO. He is 101-73 though as the Saints starter and he doesn’t make the playoffs all that regularly either 5 in 11 seasons. But he has only ever been 1 and done there.

          • BerwynBomber

            Of course. I’m not arguing that an elite QB is not more important than an elite RB. That is a no-brainer. I just don’t think that MIN’s lack of SBs has much to do with some fault of AP’s. Could he have been a better complete back? Sure. But he was such an insanely good runner it pretty much trumps any flaws his game had.

          • leftcoastdave

            I think the more important point is balance. If you don’t have a run threat, the rush and blitz tees up on your O line and overwhelms them. Nothing an O line likes better than charging out instead of backing up. Conversely, if you can’t throw the ball, you get eight or nine stacking the box.

            So look what Zeke did for Dallas? His threat took pressure off the O line and (cliche coming) KEPT THE DEFENSE HONEST. Without that, would Dak have had as much success. The converse is also true.

            Simply, like Zeke, Fournette will be a difference maker but not without also having a quarterback who can also keep the defense honest.

            Zeke, for the record, was drafted at #4.

            What would somebody be willing to give up for that #3 to get Fournette. That is the question which needs to be asked. Which teams down the board have the ammo to fire off to get him?

          • willbest

            Brees and Rodgers have an inconsistent run threat and you still need to put up 30 points or more to beat them.

            And you don’t need Zeke or Fournette to keep the defense honest, the Redskins did it with Matt Jones and Kelly.

            I am not saying it doesn’t help, but it is so rarely determinative of success that it shouldn’t be a high priority. And the NFL seemingly agrees with me because nobody wants to pay RBs more than $6-8 million a year, and that is what you pay a high end #2 WR.

          • SC Dave

            I love that we have all you need at RB with a 5th round pick. Let’s get another so we can get rid of that bum Langford.

            Drafting Fournette is an insane idea.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We’ll see in a year’s time.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly. Balance. And insurance for your main back, not just for injury but during the game. We can grab Budda for the safety job. We can find or draft a DE. But we can’t pass this guy up.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There is no QB in the draft – according to the experts – that is higher rated than Fournette. There may be starters … but there won’t be a stud QB on the same level as Leonard.

          • willbest

            You aren’t understanding the disparity. A generational talent like AP, is worth about as much to your team as Sam Bradford.

          • Irish Sweetness

            With a good defense – as we expect and demand – a RB …or two … can do a lot for a team. But it’s a team game, we needed Wally, the defense … AND Jimmy Mac to win a superbowl.

            We can draft a DE. No guarantee Pace’s guy is the 2 or 3 guy. We can sign Mario Willams for shits and giggles for a year with all this alleged cash.

            But you don’t get a shot at freakish studs like Fournette very often. they don’t come along very often. Bo. Herschel. Eric. Will he last and endure like Walter? Likely not. Is he faster and bigger? Yes. Yes he is.

          • willbest

            How are you getting a good defense if you keep wasting your first round pick on RBs? And How do you know Fournette is Zeke and not Gurley?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Argument being that two RBs, one very good, one great, is not worth a lot to a team? Myabe not. But if you can control the clock for starters …

          • willbest

            But you can’t control the clock. A good running game lets you run the clock, but the only way to stop the clock is with QB’s capable of making sideline throws and WRs talented enough to toe tap and fall forward on their way out.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly. If you have a good back like Howard, does that mean you wouldn’t draft Bo Jackson or Herschel if you could? You can lose a top back and literally not miss a beat. You can play both, spelling each other, and just kill defenses by controlling the clock.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Insurance. Improvement. Howard runs out of steam after 20 yards. Fournette gets further away from his pursuers. You have insurance and guarantees of success on the ground. He’s better than Howard and Howard was the #2 back in the league last season.

          • willbest

            You aren’t building your defense by wasting your first round pick on insurance at a position you are already strong at.

            And you don’t know what he is when he is the NFL.

    • Mixon in the 4rth

  • Irish Sweetness

    DAvid Njoku TE

    He’s like a bigger Brandon Marshall.

    • MB30SD

      I don’t know about BM comparisons, but he looks like a stud. Yes please (in the 2nd or 3rd)

  • Big Mike

    I am a big fan of Jay Cutler. But he never got it done and I do not view his tenure here a success. I don’t view the last 8 years as a success for anyone in a leadership position with the Bears. That includes the ownership, the GMs, the head coaches, coordinators and so on. Cutler is 6th or 7th down the line in that laundry list of blame.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      I agree with everything except that last sentence. There’s no eye in team.

      • MB30SD

        and the first sentence

  • mikeladen

    If the bears couldn’t with cutler they’re not winning with anybody

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Oh yeah? If Cutler couldn’t win in Chicago, he can’t win anywhere.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Here’s my litmus test just so you don’t think I’m talking out my rear end. Cutler never made his receivers better in fact it was the other way around, to me that says it all.

      • Earl Bennett and Johnny Knox would like a word (as would the collection of crap that was thrown out there in 2015).

        In 2010-11, the only average or better players on the entire offense were Jay Cutler and Matt Forte. They carried that offense on a contender. It wasn’t a great offense by any stretch of the imagination, but it was effective enough.

        What was weird was that Cutler’s performance didn’t really get better from when his weapons sucked to when he had Forte, Marshall, Alshon, and Bennett. If you want to blame him for something, blame him for that.

        • MB30SD

          Cuck don’t count!

          …stop fucking with the curve damn it.

          You did that a lot in school huh?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Love the italics.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Olsen was Jays titty, Marshall was a stud. I disagree.

          • willbest

            He didn’t get Marshall until 2012, and then he was gimped with Tice. How many fucking delay of games and time outs were wasted because the fuck couldn’t get the play in.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I was excited to get Cutler at first because I thought he’d immediately upgrade the WR position by his talent alone. That never happened imo.

        • BerwynBomber

          Cutler didn’t play all that well in 2010. He was 22nd in QBR and 16th in traditional passer rating. That NFCC team was mostly about the D and STs. They carried us. Not Cutty and the O.

          In the 2011/torn thumb ligament/Martz year he was looking good, and arguably the best he ever looked as a Bear, but again it was far, far from excellent. He was 13th in both QBR and passer rating.

          He actually played well in ’13 with BMarsh/Alshon/Uni/Forte, but irony of ironies, McCown looked a tad better.

          Interesting that the WSJ had a piece yesterday entitled “Jay Cutler: The Most Average QB of All-Time.” Unfortunately, it resides behind a paywall.

          • Yeah, the D/ST was obviously the best parts of those teams. But the only thing keeping those offenses from being totally shit was the Cutler/Forte duo.

            I would argue that producing the 13th most efficient QB season with arguably the worst supporting cast in the NFL is indeed raising the play of those around you.

            He never really got much higher than that in yearly rankings. Consistently average, with some years being slightly higher and others slightly lower.

            Average to above average with a shit supporting cast (aka 2011 and 2015) has tremendous value. Average to above average with a great supporting cast (aka 2013) is less valuable, because the resources you put into that supporting cast take away from resources you can put into the other units to carry the team then.

            And that was always the weird thing about Cutler. He’s handled shitty coaching, shitty OL, and shitty weapon situations much better than guys like Eli and Flacco did. But Eli and Flacco also had a higher level of play they could reach when those situations turned from shit to good. Cutler never really got to that level.

          • BerwynBomber

            Eli and Flacco played better in big games than Cutler. Forget the post-season stuff. Just look at how they played against their chief division rival(s). Especially Eli — he positively owned DAL for some years. Cutler almost always crapped the bed against GB and often against DET as well.

            Said this yesterday, but he combined the worst of Romo (sketchy big game performance) with the worst of Flacco and Eli (meh regular season performance).

            I see him as average to below average.

          • SC Dave

            People always underrated Forte, even on this blog (where they should know better).

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I always wondered how a player can be underrated especially when there were/are so many people throughout the player’s career complain about how underrated the player is. Every game broadcast the announcers would constantly say how underrated the guy is. It was a fricken storyline everyone uses.

            Secondly, just because enough people on this blog did not whine, cry and get upset because we didn’t resign over 30 running back does not mean we did not appreciate the 8 years he played for us. And those same people realized that the guy lost a step and it was time to move on.

          • willbest

            Forte never had that one dominant season the way most top 5 RB’s do. He just grinded it out in 3rd or 4th place for nearly a decade. I think what people mean by underrated is that his career numbers look impressive while no single season stands out.

            For example, if Forte (already #36) puts in another 1050 yards from scrimage this year he will pass Jim Brown to go to #25 on the all time list, and if he gets say 1850 yards over the next 2 seasons he will be in the #14 spot right next to Tiki Barber and Edgerinn James. But he has no shot at Canton.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            yeah who cares, Dave is still butt hurt we did not resign Forte, and thinks we all never appreciated him.

          • SC Dave

            Troll.

          • SC Dave

            I guess I’m curious why #14 all time would equate to no chance at Canton. Maybe you’re right, but by that measure, Curtis Martin should never have made it either.

          • willbest

            Martin was 1st team all pro twice. So he had that season of dominance that Canton looks for in addition to longevity.

          • SC Dave

            I looked at his stuff, and he did have *one* season that was “dominant”. Curiously, the second to last of his career, and partially due to the team’s willingness to grind the poor old bastard into the ground with 371 carries at 31 years old 🙂

            http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MartCu00.htm

            (And at least according to that source, his only 1st team All Pro season. Surprisingly close to Forte’s numbers in 2013)

          • Huge Bears Penis

            maybe the Jets can grind another poor old bastard(Forte) out for a “dominant” season.

          • SC Dave

            No idiot. It was about ditching Forte for the likes of scrubs like fucking Langford, which I said at the time. And of course, I was right.

            We lucked into Howard, about which I am elated. Which I’ve also made clear, troll.

          • Irish Sweetness

            On ditching Forte for Langford, I certainly agree. You might pay more, but Langford hasn’t really got the measurables.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Well said. He was a Bear. Respect. I’ve just seen way better runners and wouldn’t crown his ass.

          • Look back at the 2011 depth chart on offense. Outside of Cutler and Forte, they didn’t have a single NFL-average player.

            When Cutler and Forte got hurt, that O roster was worse than the 2013 defensive one.

          • willbest

            Sort of like the 2016 vikings. After they lost their two starting tackles the offense couldn’t provide any relief to the defense and a 6-0 start crashed and burned 8-8

          • Irish Sweetness

            I wasn’t in love his running. As a pass catcher, sure. Jordan doesn’t have those hands, but he can make first downs .. .take first downs. Create them out of thin air.

            And Leonard is better, faster, bigger …. he could be the true heir to Walter’s mantle.

    • MB30SD

      Hahahaha, Mike you must have mistakenly been watching Aaron Rodgers thinking he was on our team.

      …I don’t know, that’s all I got, I just woke up.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Lol

    • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

      What are you laden with? Bullshit?

      • MB30SD

        heavily.

    • CanadaBear

      I hope this is sarcasm or you better look up Johnny Waffle and have a few drinks with him.

    • SC Dave

      Oh gawd…

  • MB30SD

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Can you imagine being elected POTUS & that not being enough of an ego stroke? Has a more fragile human ever existed?

    Can you say daddy issues!? Trust me, I know what I’m talking about on this one. Over the last 5 years I’ve done vast research on the subject… albeit on the oposite sex, but I’m sure the core transfers.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      What you talking bout willis? The whole country is fragile. I’ve never heard more people whine about a president than Trump, including after Obama got elected. The dumbing down of America is complete.

      • SC Dave

        Exactamundo!

      • willbest
        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Hahaha. 100%. That’s not a fake news article either, it’s sad but true. I know a person that exhibits every one of those symptoms. Very unstable people imo. It’s one thing to detest a president, it’s another to crumble like a pshyco patient in a straight jacket.

        • SC Dave

          Americans one could rightfully describe as “pathetic” is the true bull market of the second half of this decade. And it will only get worse.

          Fucking pussies.

    • willbest

      Trump voters had a rally and it was a beautiful. glorious rally. The best rally there was. We had it Nov. 8 2016.

      • MB30SD

        It was yuuuuge… Bigly.

  • MB30SD
    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      So pissed. Half a million dead Iraqi children over the last decade or so.

      • SC Dave

        That’s bad, but nothing compared to Africa.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Yeah man, it’s hard to stomach.

          • willbest

            You need the Bill Gates mindset.

          • SC Dave

            There’s no profit for the Sharptons of the world over the appalling fate of the innocents in Africa, so the crickets chirp louder there than anywhere else.

            The true face of racism in the world.

    • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

      I was watching BBC news a moment ago. A BBC camera crew with a somewhat hot female reporter got overrun outside Mosul and shot up. BBC is pissed.

  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

    Funny thing about Donald’s anonymous source complaints is that when he was a USFL owner in ’80s, he often was an anonymous source.

    Can we knock it off?

    Trump learned long ago to declare abhorrent the things he does the most. He constantly complains about litigiousness; yet everyone in construction knows he often stiffs illegals, sues nearly constantly and keeps his lawyers rolling in cases. Nothing was too dirty for him in the general, he rolled up all the skanks Clinton raped and put them at a table just before, literally in a conference room down the hallway from the 3rd debate. And then had them sit in the audience while the 3rd debate happened. He created a fake university and stiffed people. Nothing is off limits so let’s just stop with the minor hypocrisies.

    He makes Burlesconi in Italy look like Abe Lincoln. He’s a Putin level autocrat and he has just set the stage to revise the modern press conference and begin to exclude the NYT and WaPo from proceedings in the White House. So saying he often leaked when it suited him is the least of the issues at the moment.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Ah sheite……so in other words, he’s gonna be a 2 termer?

      • CanadaBear

        Doubtful.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Anyone that can keep the hate meter maxed out gets reelected.

          • CanadaBear

            As soon as McConnell and Ryan feel like Agent Orange is compromising their chances for re-election, impeachment proceedings will begin. They know Pence will do their bidding, no matter what that might entail.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Did you know that DC is a temple of Baal complex? People need to wake the fack up. Every Dead ex president has his body commemorated to baal and his soul rises to god hood under the rotunda in DC in their secret little ceromony. It’s facking insane. John Lennon had it right, the world is run by insane lunatics.

          • SC Dave

            No less insane than John, however.

          • willbest

            About the only way McConnell and Ryan could lose their job before 2022 is if they impeached Trump.

          • BerwynBomber

            Dems might have a shot at the Senate in ’20. That’s a long way off.

    • leftcoastdave

      I love it. After eight years of slavish slobbering, Chris Matthews with the tingle down his leg, all of the fawning by the media over their savior, now they pretend to grow a pair and suddenly become that big bad watchdog press calling out all things evil. No petty snipe is too low, no fake spin or fake story too over the top for them.
      Let’s get real. All these fake journalists are nothing but partisan hacks.

      Journalism is who, what, where and when.

      Now all lame stream reporters infuse the purported “story” with their spin and their agenda.

      It is about time they are called out for what they are.

      Putting the women Slick raped in the audience was so much worse that Hillary sliming these women heading up the “bimbo brigade”? She the champion of all women?

      A little perspective should be in order.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Like eye said, it’s all about the hate-o-meter. It’s matter not which demi-god is in the DC temple.

      • Bender McLugh

        Hello false equivalency, be your bad self

        • SC Dave

          What? He is dead fucking right.

          • Bender McLugh

            No he’s not. But I get you think so

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            You don’t think he’s a boring sex deprived conservative?

          • SC Dave

            All I can imagine is that you are hopelessly partisan to not understand that his comments about the media being nothing but partisan hacks is dead fucking on target.

            Although to be fair, I was not clear what I was agreeing with.

    • BerwynBomber

      Raped? Right, and Hillary murdered Vince Foster.

      • leftcoastdave

        I don’t think that either of those allegations have been proven.

      • SC Dave

        No, her husband’s chimps did that.

  • willbest

    lulz. Ian’s comment

    “Cop must’ve run a 4.4 40, catching him from behind and all”

    https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/835544249248714759

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Hahaha. Insane fun awaits high school wrestlers all over the world. I would have been the women’s wresting champ of all time back in H.S. hahaha.

    http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/hurst-euless-bedford_news/article134761654.html

    • willbest

      I don’t understand this. Biologically she is a girl, but she wants to identify as a man so she takes testosterone. But then she wrestles women? despite I presume testosterone being a banned substance.

      Did it ever occur to anybody that perhaps you have to sacrifice some things in life. And that perhaps you should decide what is most important to you?

      If you want to transition then sex delineated sports shouldn’t be an option for you.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Meanie

        • willbest

          I am old fashioned like that. Cult of Nice creeps the hell out of me.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I was being sarcastic.

      • SC Dave

        What a fucking pussy.

  • bearfacts

    To answer that you have to look at the team/organization as a whole and not just Jay. To begin with he was horrifically over promoted by Angelo in order to justify the trade telling anyone who would listen that he would make everyone who played with him better. Eh???? Sorry but no one could make a single competent #1 WR out of players like Hester, Knox, Bennett, and others they tried. No one could make a decent OT out of Webb, OMG, CWill, Carimi, Mills, or anyone else they tried for over half his career as the Bears QB.

    Now add to that just one OC out of six or seven who actually designed the offense to work around Jay’s strong points and who left after one year and the recipe for failure was inherent almost since day one. It’s also why simply finding a new QB to play in the current offense under Fox and Loggains won’t yield much different results if that QB is also billed as some kind of “savior” and lacks the support he needs to win consistently. The problems are systemic and a new QB will not offset the inept management of Ted Phillips and GMcC or the horrid coaching of John Fox and a poor choice for his OC.

    Cutler won 61% of his starts under Lovie and came 1/2 of one game from reaching and possibly winning a Super Bowl with Mike Martz as his OC. He got the team to the NFCC Game but the punishment he’d taken all year finally came home to roost and he couldn’t finish. He’s also won over 80% of his starts when the defense held an opponent to 20 points or less. How often has that happened since Lovie was fired? In the past four seasons he played with two of the worst defenses in Bears history and third season with one only marginally better. That’s not on Cutler.

    I can accept moving on if moving on means better but in reality that won’t be all that easy to accomplish. Cutler is a better QB than he’s often given credit for. For the most part it’s just that Chicago is “hell on earth” for QBs period and it will remain that way until we hire better coaches and build an offense that can stand on it’s own with any competent NFL QB. That won’t happen under John Fox.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      I appreciate such a thoughtful post and I too think Cutler was infamnia.

    • BerwynBomber

      The Cutler Excuses: one thing I will miss the least when he is gone.

  • willbest

    I haven’t seen any tags being reported. That seems a bit odd to me. Only 4 days to go before they are due in.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      just like filing taxes why do them until you have to.

      • willbest

        Because you fucked up your quarterlies and want your money back!

        • Huge Bears Penis

          then you are an idiot.

          • willbest

            Or its better to give the government an interest free loan than pay the loan shark level of interest and penalties.

      • Irish Sweetness

        A stitch in time …

    • deadlines spur action. Will probably mostly happen on Monday and Tuesday.

      I don’t even know, who’s likely to get tagged this year? The 2 names I know are Cousins and Jeffery, but they’re both complicated by the fact that it would be the 2nd consecutive tag, which makes it even more expensive.

  • willbest

    Jeff must know a lot of people in the media. I know some importers that are nervous about possible tariffs at some point and the special needs circles are always nervous about any change to benefits, but outside the media, and the normal shuffling of the deck chairs in DC after every election, nobody’s day to day has been affected yet.

    • SC Dave

      I imagine the dregs of society on Soros’ payroll would disgree. They are getting some overtime now. You don’t suppose they will at least credit Trump as the reason for their new-found fortune?

  • BerwynBomber

    Jets release Nick Mangold. A couple/few years ago we would have been all over that.

    • they’re talking about moving a rookie stud C out to G to make room for another young C they’ve drafted. Don’t think a 33 year old vet is on their radar right now.

      So weird that their interior OL has become such a strength. With Kush re-signed for 2 years, they have their top 5 there all set for the next 2. 3 proven studs, one guy they seem to think is really good (Grasu), and proven depth/borderline starter.

      • leftcoastdave

        Got to love that as well as the continuity with Leno and Massie even with their flaws. Leno should only improve and a young stud in the mid to late rounds would be great to provide competition there. The long shot question is whether they start to slide Grasu in while moving one of the other three out to T.

        • SC Dave

          The great mysteryis whether Grasu is worth a shit. We really have next to nothing to go on there.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Trust in Pace?

        • Irish Sweetness

          I don’t think we should ‘settle’ for tackles … we have backups IMHO. Leno doesn’t blow people off the line. It’s not violent. Massie’s a guy. We cna get better at tackle and FA mightn’t be a bad way to do it. No rooks please. Blocking is a manly man’s game.

          Blocking for Leonard and Jordan, natch.

          • leftcoastdave

            I don’t think this is the year to spend on a cast off tackle. Better to get some big rookie to develop. I would not be surprised to see Whitehair moved out at times with Grasu given a shot at center. The present front five now has the reps together to gel and Jordan has a better handle on helping out with blocks or rubs. Same will be true with receivers I would hope. With communication and help the T’s we’ve got will be better. The o line came around last year and can now be a cohesive unit, one of the best around in the middle three. That is the place to now build on the cheap in the mid to late rounds of the draft IMHO.

      • BerwynBomber

        Bears have not had a bad O-line for years now. Just that a) we have often had a QB who holds onto the ball an exceedingly long time, and b) the natives expect all five positions to be manned by near PB-level talent.

      • Irish Sweetness

        We have Grasu. No chance. Unless they play Mangold, Whitehair to tackle or guard. Grasu backs up. Not feeling it. Let Grasu compete and stay hungry for when he’s needed.

        If the Jets don’t want him anymore …

  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)
  • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

    Yeeeeeeeee-fucking-hah

    • willbest

      I love the first comment “that was a waste of a dodge charger”

    • MB30SD

      I found some better footage from diff angles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwqXjTaOBAw

      • willbest

        I think I was 6 or 7 when I when I saw that on TV, and I never caught the remake. So I never realized how utterly ridiculous it was until just now. I been laughing my ass off for the last 2 minutes.

        • MB30SD

  • Waffle

    If a Cuck is put at QB next year I found my new sport to throw my support behind:

    https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=nd40lIYtQmA

  • Waffle

    MB, right before you enter a one year internship which will certainly land you a dream job working for a billionaire you go and do this:
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/oklahoma-qb-baker-mayfield-arrested-for-public-intoxication/ar-AAnny67?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    • MB30SD

      Smh

      That kid looked damn good last year too

    • willbest

      Manziel was drafted in the first, this guy will too.

      • MB30SD

        He’s good too. Rock under pressure. I liked him a lot in the two games I saw

        • Cormonster

          He broke Russell Wilson’s college record this year for highest QB rating ever for a single season.

          • willbest

            Do we like him better than that USC kid?

          • Cormonster

            I don’t know much about either of them.

          • MB30SD

            I loved him in two games. I think he’s smaller 6’1″ish and maybe 220ish? Bud dude is the definition of clutch. Reminds me of Wilson… But white.

          • Waffle

            Haha, it would have been way more funnier if you would have said he reminds you of Wilson …..But black.

          • MB30SD

            Ha!

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Meh..child’s play.

  • MB30SD

    Trump should help with this!

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/biologists-say-half-of-all-species-could-be-extinct-by-end-of-century/ar-AAnoWU7?li=BBnbcA1

    In all seriously shit’s gettin’ real… real fucking scary.

    Yeah I know will. 2 to MB now.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Yay….Unicorns.

      • MB30SD

        we’re all fucked

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Probably due to the Chem trails. Start looking up, you’ll see them spraying all the time.

    • willbest

      Natural selection is a bitch. Humans don’t believe in natural selection though. We keep letting those with big heads and shitty immune systems survive and breed.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38210837

    • SC Dave

      Wow, MB, that was an idiotic comment of yours.

      Worth -15 all by itself.

      • Waffle

        Joke Dave. Joke.

        • willbest

          Dave is a bit moody this evening.

          • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

            this evening? this evening?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            someone brought up you know who, and he got all misty eyed and nostalgic. He always lashes out when you know who is mentioned. it’s kind of a catch ’22’ when anyone bring up you know who.

          • willbest

            Voldemort?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            come on I am trying to be nice I don’t want Dave to go into a whiskey fueled rage of nostalgia and regret and break something.

          • willbest

            I know, but I think he is really mad at Issa tonight. Not any of us.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Issa ?

          • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

            International society for Shithead Angelo.

            ISSA.

          • willbest

            Darrell Issa. The guy the left loved to hate for going after Obama. He tossed the left a nice juicy steak … oh a wait… a nice batch of kale on Bill Maher’s show. I am surprised GP hasn’t brought it to my attention already actually.

          • MB30SD

            Go easy, that’s not Will’s forte

          • Waffle

            Crevon lablank?

          • SC Dave

            hahaha

          • MB30SD

            Dave’s been on his period all week.

            Dave, may I suggest some hot chamomile tea my man

      • MB30SD

        Settle down Francis

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Haha

    • Waffle

      We’re fucked……..but Africa is fucking super fucked and will receive said fucking way sooner than the rest of the world.

      We will eventually put limits on meat production when we’ve fucked all of the trees through deforestation. We will impose water rations like Australia when we’ve squandered enough of our clean water.

      Invest in desalination because we will be drinking that shit on the reg in the next few decades.

      Aquaponic farms will dot the urban landscape when we realize that land farming is antiquated.

      Overpopulation though……that’s going to be the kicker.

      I will be in the Carribbean on a plantation with my own desalination plant and tons of exotic bitches with gold plated AKs

      • willbest

        deforestation? The planet is greener

        http://www.popsci.com/new-study-shows-earth-getting-greener

        And then there is this bit about using livestock to fight desertification.

        https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/reversing-desertification-with-livestock

        • Waffle

          I’m an eco hippie pal. Science is science. Common sense is common sense. So suck my eco-dick.

        • SC Dave

          Those are inconvenient truths to the faithful, Will.

          On the other hand, more green does not necessarily equate to better biosphere ‘health”. Genetic diversity matters.

      • MB30SD

        Africa will simply devolve into what’s it’s always been… A tribal fight for 5ish square miles at a time.

        Africa,by Western standards, already is and always has been fucked.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The one thing that is banned from public media is the topic of over-population. Man on in the moon in ’69. 3 Billion. Today? Heading for 7.5. Another 50 years? How many? What will live in the oceans? Will there be any trees left? Clean water? Carpe Diem boys.

        • Waffle

          It’s gonna get rough

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yup, I find it really hard to get enthused about 50 years from now. It’s not looking good … for anybody or anything.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Bring back free energy and over population loses its lustre as a rational argument. All the people in the world could fit asshole to belly button in Manhattan alone. There’s a resource problem, not an over population problem. Man could live on a few handfulls of the right grains and nuts per day alone.

          • leftcoastdave

            I don’t exactly remember ever having free energy, but if I get your drift I think we are moving in the right direction. Tech innovation in the oil patch has fracked the hell out of the price of nat gas and to a lesser extent oil. That while safe nukes are being developed. So in that sense, I agree totally if we can keep the guvamint’s hands off it.
            BTW, oil soon to flow to Illinois through DAP now that Barry-O been ousted. Next will be jobs building XL2. How many enviro-wackos know that there is already one going to East St. Louis which is getting old and leaked in MO last year?
            New infrastructure? What a concept.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Let the spice flow!

    • Huge Bears Penis

      man that sucks, I guess I will need to hurry up and go try a rhino burger and tiger steak before they are all gone.

      • MB30SD

        The Chinese think rhino horn and/or tiger penis helps them with their biologically proven to be smaller little weenuses. Anything endangered those gross fucks wanna kill.

        So give those a shot maybe?

        • Huge Bears Penis

          I wander if it ever dawned on the Chinese that the reason for their small little weenuses is caused by killing endangered species.

          • MB30SD

            Cosmic penis karma?

            Those fuckers’ll eat anything… Seriously anything.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Hahaha….yeah but they ain’t got nuttin on the Vietnamese.

          • MB30SD

            vietnamese are tame (nd their food is amazing). Chinese are known to eat anything that walks flies or swims.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Fish heads?

          • Waffle

            Bro, do you even watch Asian porn? Those little dudes are relentless. That means they bang without relenting.

          • MB30SD

            Ewwww

    • leftcoastdave

      Where’s Margaret Sanger when you need her.

      • MB30SD

        Where’s Margaret Fucking Thatcher when you need one dave

        • leftcoastdave

          You know that was tongue in cheek, right? Margaret Sanger was a racist who wanted to rid the world of “unsavory” types, you know, enhance the gene pool by not allowing “deplorables” to breed. She is the inspiration for the abortion mills known as Planned Parenthood which has aborted how many black babies?
          She used to speak a Klan rallies. Now she is a liberal icon.
          Go figger.

          • MB30SD

            Yes, hence my requip of Thatcher.

          • leftcoastdave

            Amen to that, but the lady in England is better than Cameron at least.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            That’s like saying I have one testicle that’s bigger than the other.

          • SC Dave

            Ah yes, the eugenics queen. A lovely person, that.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          She ascended to godhood. Look around, she’s evra ware!

          • Cormonster

            If Jesus is God’s son, then who is God’s wife?

            Question from my 6 year old nephew.

          • leftcoastdave

            I’m sure Art Linkletter would have a good answer for the kid.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Easy, Princess Orania also known as Queen Helena. I’ve got a better one for ya though. Who was Jesus?

          • willbest

            A black man apparently, even though I don’t know any black Jews.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            No, he was the Grandson of Cleopatra and Marc Anthony. He’s in the history books.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hey and the what now?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Yeah man. It’s in the Roman history books. The Rabbi’s know this, it’s been a well kept secret.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Refer him back to the first part for analysis!

        • Irish Sweetness

          Currently residing in the seventh layer of hell?

  • Will. Waffle. Help me out here, please. Trump’s administration reversed Obama protections for transgender students because the government shouldn’t tell states how to run themselves. Then they say that the federal government is going to start cracking down on state-legalized marijuana economies because the government should tell states how to run themselves.

    What gives?

    • Waffle

      Haha, why am I in this? I voted for Nader.

      • apologies. thought you were riding the trump train.

        • Waffle

          Dude, I’m an american first.

          • MB30SD

            You’re a motherfucking Patriot!

          • Waffle

            Ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

          • America First. isn’t that their (1930s/1940s americans who thought we should’ve sided with germany, and DJT) motto?

          • Waffle

            I don’t know, I was born in the late 70’s.

          • just in time for vince evans!

          • MB30SD

            I thought you were going to say abba

          • it’s like you don’t even know me.

          • MB30SD

            Who aaaare youuuu?!?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ain’t nuthin wrong with Abba!

          • SC Dave

            You’re right. There’s EVERYTHING wrong with Abba.

          • MB30SD

            Didn’t say there was amigo

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Hahaha. This is why eye love this blog.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            What is an American, and what form of Americanism do you subscribe to Yonny?

            And you just thought you had made a relatively simple and self explanatory statement. No so! He he

      • willbest

        Anybody that didn’t vote for Hillary is the enemy.

        • MB30SD

          How about people who didn’t vote for either white devil, but who just want Fucking some semblance of sanity

          • willbest

            Well I personally don’t care. But if you talked to my sister who volunteered for O twice, you have committed a crime of some sort.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Jess, subscribe to MY newsletter. mmmkay?

        • no. but by all means, defend the indefensible.

          • willbest

            Just what I gathered from all the “white women betrayed us” articles. and the shame on “bernie or bust”

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Have you see our D lately?

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        aaah, now I see why the mainstream construct bothers you so much.

    • willbest

      I think I read somewhere that alcohol sales decline in states where pot is legal. And as you know Trump owns his own brand of wine. So, probably because pot cuts into his bottom line.

      • oh. so it’s ok. got it.

        • willbest

          I hope you realize that was in jest.

          • it was a flippant way to avoid acknowledging that your boy’s a dick.

          • MB30SD

            I don’t care that he’s a dick. You kinda have to be these days. I care that he’s pathological and a fucking buffoon.

          • careful, snowflake. speaking truth like that will get you nowhere.

          • MB30SD

            I’m only snowflake from the waist up. I’m African remember

          • south african. that’s like being from arkansas.

          • MB30SD

            Kiiiind of.

          • willbest

            I have been on this board for 4 years. I don’t recall coming here and asking everybody sucking Obama’s wang to justify every inconsistency in his administrations policies.

            And really if I thought going to the trouble of distinguishing the two would persuade you I probably would. But you didn’t come here looking for that. You just wanted to let me know you think Trump is a dick.

            And I get it. He isn’t your guy, and he is going to do things you don’t like.

          • you know i think he’s a dick. but i’d really like to hear the thoughts on this one since you and i and everyone else here knows that pot shouldn’t be on the same level as heroin.

            fwiw, it’s not like obama made it legal, and hillary didn’t have a good stance on the green, either.

          • willbest

            Fine.

            Did it ever occur to you that the “bathroom thing” was made up by the executive branch 18 months ago in some new fangled interpretation of some law written 40 odd years ago when Congress didn’t even contemplate gender dysphoria and that the “pot thing” is the executive directly carrying out the will of a statute passed by congress and fully contemplated pot?

          • the bathroom thing was done to protect an at-risk group. yes it was a new interpretation on an old law. but isn’t that the entire basis of our legal system since we’re using a document that’s over 200 years old? it’s like saying the 2nd amendment defends people like dylan roof’s rights to own automatic weapons because the founding fathers thought we should all have muskets.

            i think the pot thing is a back scratch for private prisons who are seeing vacancies for the first time in years.

            what do you mean by “…and fully contemplated pot?” i was following up until those words.

          • willbest

            I mean congress put pot into the Controlled Substance Act specifically as a schedule I drug. It wasn’t added there later by the FDA/DEA. It was on the initial hit list.

            Basically, the Presidents power is at his absolute weakest if he is trying to defy a congressional statute. And therefore not enforcing the law is a demonstration of dangerous usurpation of Congressional authority and lawlessness.

            Now I believe one of those agencies has the power to reclassify it under the same statute, but until that happens, the default state for the administration should be enforcing the law as written by Congress. As much power you subscribe to trump things don’t happen at the snap of a finger. There are 6 month review periods, and 3 month public comment periods, and all kinds of other crap.

            Which brings us to the point that creates so many of these “but this and this”.

            There are too many laws. The Federal Government has no chance at enforcing all of them. And that is true with most of us voluntarily complying with them. They have to pick and choose because they simply do not have the resources. Which is why you never see justice against the banks. Banks can outspend the Federal Government. Goldman Sachs has more profit in a quarter than the SEC’s annual budget.

            And you end up with selective enforcement. The prosecutor picks and choose what to go after, and allocates his resources accordingly. And this is why our Federal laws start to look arbitrary, because by choosing your prosecutor, you choose what the laws are really going to be. In this case, that lawyer is Sessions. He doesn’t like pot, and drugs generally, so that is what you get. But if you change the laws, he will find a new Windmill.

            And I think you are coming to realize something that people on the right have known for the last 8 years. Laws applied arbitrarily are illegitimate. So I understand your frustration. But you aren’t witnessing anything new.

            But I would hope it would give you pause as to your other topic. The adaptability of the government to changing circumstances. When is it appropriate for the President to act, and when should he defer to the other executives (ie. state governors) and the legislature. You seem to think “doing good” is justification enough, but by now you realize what you and I consider “doing good” might not be the same thing.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Did you know that growing your own cigarette or cigar tobacco is illegal? Yup, sure is.

          • Malice Halice

            This world is filled with too many sensitive ppl who expects a handout, bill, or apology these days.

          • makes cents.

            get it?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Eye always said, “go big”.

          • Johnnywad

            Damn near all of them are dicks E. Some are just better at hiding it than others.

            No sense in spinning yourself up over something you can’t control/that will likely never effect you unless you’re marrying an immigrant or have some connection to legalized marijuana.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      The constitution is null and void evan. It has to be or this would not happen. The original states were never intended to be given to the people, rather, the people have been deceived into thinking we have one form of government when in fact, we do not. The truth hurts my man.

  • Irish Sweetness

    A trade down would allow us to grab guys like Budda and that TE OJ Howard and some other top prospect.

    Pumped to see what happens

    • MB30SD

      And your plan when no team offers anything interesting enough?

      • CanadaBear

        Oh come on, play nice. It’s all about trading down getting an extra 4-5 picks, hitting on everyone of them, same with FA, Jimmy Mac comes back and the Bears are SB Champs. What could go wrong?

        • MB30SD

          BOOM!!! love that plan Canada.

          Irish, make that shit happen with Irish magic!

          I saw ‘song of the sea’ man, I know you guys have that shit.

          • CanadaBear

            Not to pick on Irish because he’s a great guy and a fave commenter but every year it’s the trade down scenario. Have teams gotten fat and sassy doing that? Fuck yeah, but that happens about once every decade or two and is never going to happen for the Bears. Because … Bears.

          • BerwynBomber

            I call the “trade down” scenario the back-up QB of draft plans because, as with the back-up QB, everyone loves it.

          • Few factors are diff here Canada.
            1 . unlike in previous yrs Bears are drafting at #3. That makes it more likely a bluechip prospect another team covets will be available for a trade
            2. There’s a REAL possibility the “top” QB will be at #3 (Browns go Garret , 9ers go Allen etc)
            Teams tend to trade up for QBs more and the Browns have the ammo to do so esp after kicking themselves for Wentz.

            I think Bears will get offers. It seems like a thin class at WR and OT as well, a team might want the top one before tje bottom drops.

            Lots of possibilities. I don’t know if it’ll happen but i think a trade down scenario is more likely for the bears this yr than in the previous yrs when we were drafting in the teens and beyond

          • leftcoastdave

            See above at what happened last year.

          • CanadaBear

            My issue was lcd and irish were both talking about a haul 4-5 picks for #3. Can Pace trade it? Sure. Will he get an additional pick? Sure. Is he going to get this amazing haul they refer to? Extremely doubtful.

          • Oh, yeah, we’re not getting a bounty. This aint a Costner movie lol

            Only “franchise QBs” can get that ransom (RG3, Wentz, etc) and by most accounts, no QB is on that level (though I think Trubisky will come close to that when April comes).

            We’d have to trade down at least twice, and I don’t recall the last time (if ever) the Bears have traded down twice in the first.

          • willbest

            I have all the hope in the world for Floyd. But who is the all-pro defensive player we are building around? Is he in this draft at #11 like JJ Watt was?

          • JJ Watt is generational, and even he has his negatives (back, etc).

            Ideally, trading down and landing an AP (or DPOY type) is the ideal, but not holding my breath.

            I haven’t looked at all the prospect’s tape this yr (esp the later projected), so can’t guess.

            I keep reading good things about Barnett, Taco and McDowell, so they might be the steals in the 10s and beyond.

            Thomas is the best kept secret no one kept. Think he’s the safest bet.

            TE Howard from all accounts looked other worldly at the Senior Bowl, and obviously Fournett, Foster and Hooker are can’t miss IMO. Those guys look like bona fide playmakers.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yeah, the kids loved that …

        • leftcoastdave

          Perhaps last year was unique, but the one got traded for lots, the two got traded for lots. Jimmy Jones was offered a 2 and a 4 for his 4 spot to go down just two spots. (He offered it for a 2 and a 3 and ended up using on Zeke.) Da bears paid up to get Floyd and Cleveland traded down again from 12.

          And that’s just what I know from published articles.

          But hey, maybe nobody will give anything for that three this year.

          • CanadaBear

            Let’s plan our entire draft around it.

          • leftcoastdave

            I’d bet money it is being planned for and discussed all around the league. As stars move up the board and teams begin to fall in love (a la Floyd) it becomes a reality.

            I’d also bet money it happens unless Da Bears use it on an Edge/DE. Nobody else worth that high a pick. Nobody in my humble opinion,of course, when you can get extra picks to add competition at those many needed positions. T, TE, DE, ILB, OLB, CB and S, not to mention QB and special teams.

          • CanadaBear

            It’s all wishful thinking. If it happens fine, if it doesn’t fine.

          • leftcoastdave

            I would not call it wishful thinking. As a fact, the one and two were traded last year for good compensation. The fourth was offered and Jimmy could have had a 2 and a 4 to go down two spots. The bears gave up a four to move up to 9 and Cleveland cashed in on the 12.

            It’s wishful thinking to believe someone will want the three pick and be willing to give up something for it? No, something will be offered. Likely there will be many takers. The question is who and for what, not if.

          • CanadaBear

            Don’t care. You went from getting a wet dream full of picks now down to an extra pick. There’s the rub. Who knows? Why get all lathered up over it?

          • leftcoastdave

            No, not an extra pick. Jimmy could have had a 2 and a 4 to move from 4 to 6. Cleveland got a ton to go down to 12 and a ton more for that pick.

            Many moves down will net many extra picks.

          • CanadaBear

            In your head.

          • leftcoastdave

            Yes, as a memory of what actually happened last year. It resides in memory.

          • willbest

            At #3, Pace will have identified a handful of guys he is convinced are pro-bowl bound players. If he thinks there is that level talent everywhere and there are a dozen guys, he would be willing to trade down. If he only identifies 3-4. He isn’t going to trade down.

            But that is the problem. If Pace thinks there are a dozen guys, and we assume Pace is competent, wouldn’t we assume the other competent GM’s feel the same? It makes it harder to move up and down.

          • leftcoastdave

            I assume that what Jimmy Johnson was willing to do and what the bears did is the norm. In both cases, they had a target. I also assume that someone will want Garret, Allen, Fournette, a QB or even a WR rising on the board if that is who they fall in love with. To get your target guy was worth a four to Pace. To get your target guy at 3 will be worth something to somebody. It’s usually the top 5 or 6 with the most value. Fewer buyers with the capital to make a big leap. Hopefully several small drops can be made. In any event, with so much defensive talent in this class, we don’t need to use the 3 on a safety or CB when those will be addressed in FA.

          • willbest

            Last year was unique. Tennessee had Mariota from the year before so wasn’t in the market for a QB. Wentz really wasn’t a consensus top 2 pick because of the level of competition he faced, and the Browns were offered a lot and didn’t believe in Wentz.

            Same with RG3. Rams still believed in Sam Bradford. Your pick has to be more valuable to somebody else than it is to you.

        • BerwynBomber

          Jimmy Mac? What about Shaw or Fales?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Leonard. Easy.

  • leftcoastdave

    Some of the finest Blusey Jazz for Chicago on this fine Sunday morning. If you don’t know Kirk, you don’t know the saxophone.

    1 Theme For The Eulipions 9:22
    2 Sweet Georgia Brown 5:07
    3 I’ll Be Seeing You 6:07
    4 Loving You 4:42
    5 Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 6:17
    6 There Wll Never Be Another You 5:08
    7 Giant Steps 6:11
    Personnel
    Baritone Saxophone – Romeo Penque
    Bass – Charles Williams*
    Drums – Charlie Persip
    Harmonica, Saxophone [Stritchaphone], Tenor Saxophone, Vocals – Rahsaan Roland Kirk*
    Percussion – Habao Texidor*
    Producer – Joel Dorn
    Tuba – Howard Johnson (3)
    Some killer Hamond organ on I’ll Be Seeing You, Kirk blowing Sweet Georgia Brown away, tribute to Lester Young, all the baddest.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Shame….all that work and nobody seems to care…..sniff….

      • leftcoastdave

        Maybe no music lovers. I played that album off of youtube (Return of the 50,000 pound Man) and it was followed up by Bright Moments and “I, Eye, Aye.” Great time listening to Kirk again. The above was merely cut and paste. Used to listen to him back in the late 70’s. His Sweet Georgia Brown is the best ever recorded.

    • Bender McLugh

      Excellent

  • Cormonster

    Listen to MB and don’t be selfish. He knows what the fuck he’s talking about.

    http://jezebel.com/hetero-men-deep-kiss-use-your-fingers-eat-puss-1792720259

    *I can’t believe I’m posting and agreeing with a Jezebel article.

    • CanadaBear

      If you can’t cut the mustard you can always lick the jar!

    • willbest

      heh

      “Hey, communication is great and, on a personal relationship level, very necessary. But it’d be great if heterosexual men would talk to each other about this, so their girlfriends don’t have to keep writing orgasm Sparknotes”

      Translated from woman speak: Men, I have a problem, and I am annoyed that you won’t solve it for me. I found Aimee Lutkin’s website and was not surprised.

      • CanadaBear

        Men should be happy women are still trying to smarten us up. It’s not like we can’t be replaced.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          women should accept what they get then go into the kitchen and make their man a sandwich.

          • willbest

            Yes, that is exactly what I said. Or you could take 12 seconds to compare male porn (attractive naked women) to female porn (romance novels) and realize that the emotional component is exceptionally important to women, which is lacking among men.

          • MB30SD

            I truly feel sorry for your wife will.

            Btw, for some reason I picture her as a mail order asian bride. Am I right?

          • willbest

            Not a small town Indiana gal, with a conservative christian upbringing? I guess the stereotype on that set is they get freaky in the sack though and somebody like that couldn’t be my wife. But don’t the asians have that rep too?

            I don’t think she has that many complaints in that department as I am perfectly amenable to all that stuff, I just don’t regale the blog of my exploits, because its only ever been the one woman for 15 years. She still initiates on the regular, has to mean something positive after all this time. And its not like she is stuck with me. The law allows her to blow up the family any time she feels like.

            My problem is with Ms. Aimee, not on men trying to improve intimacy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Who cares?

            (all the men high-five each other)

        • willbest

          Probably not any time soon. This is Hawaii but its pretty similar for every state.

          http://www.uhero.hawaii.edu/assets/Occupationsbygender6-11.png

    • MB30SD

      See that Corm!!

      Eat a little (lot of) pussy, lick her ass while you’re down there… take pleasure in her pleasure. Rub her g-spot while you’re licking her clit… make her cum over and over.

      That’s it. It might not lead to anything special, but eating pussy is amazing.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I find this hard to disagree with.

  • willbest

    “The “failing” NY Times is thriving. Not only not failing. It’s fucking
    thriving. The President of the United States is a lying asshole.” – Jeff

    The NYT banked $400k on profit on $360 million of revenue in the 3rd quarter and attributed the drop in profitability to declining ad revenue. It recently started packing up its Culture section, and its 2020 plan calls for more layoffs. I will grant its stock is up more than 30% since then, but it has started pulling back before its 4th quarter earning report.

    “I want to carve MAGA into people’s foreheads like they do in Inglorious
    Bastards so they can never pretend they weren’t with this man.” – Jeff

    That isn’t fascist at all.

    • BerwynBomber

      “That isn’t fascist at all.”

      But it is semi-amusing. The GOP getting a taste of its own medicine. Keep up the good work, Jeff.

      • willbest

        Oh you subscribe to the GOP as fascists, when all Trump is really proposing is enforcing the laws that were written down and haven’t been changed in 30 odd years?

        • BerwynBomber

          No, I prescribe to the notion that the GOP started the oppositional politics of hate in the Clinton years and it never really let up (see the latest Obama years). And only now the Dems seem to be going that way too. (GWB was largely given a pass his first few years and had bi-partisan support.)

          We will see if Trump survives. My guess is he will but he will also be very damaged by 2020. He will still have big advantages as any sitting POTUS does but he will be vulnerable.

          • willbest

            Robert Bork was the first WTF moment in oppositional judicial nominations. And they tried and failed with Clarence Thomas too. So don’t give me the GOP started this shit. But I am not going to claim it was the Dems. Maybe that was payback for the shit Nixon did to democrats. I don’t know, and neither do you. Hell the GOP was birthed in the civil war. It probably goes all the way back there with intermittent truces along the way.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’ll give you any shit I want.

            The Bork thing? That was directed more against a SCOTUS nominee than the POTUS who nominated him.

            The GOP went full Brietbart or Drudge (as it was back then) when Slick Willie took office and it has never let up. Anyway, doesn’t matter if you agree with me or not. Only hope now the Dems are doing the same. And for good.

          • willbest

            By that logic the Garland thing was against him and not Obama. Thanks for clearing it up. But the Dems went full opposition when they took over in 2006. So you can rest assured that they have exeprience in these matters. Why do you think Trumps cabinet is setting a record on slowest to be confirmed.

          • BerwynBomber

            I wasn’t arguing they aren’t doing it now. I only said I glad they were. Hope they keep it up.

          • leftcoastdave

            Yep, the Biden Rule.

          • SC Dave

            And you’ll continue to be wrong.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “I want to carve…”

      Does he even HEAR himself?

      SMH.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        It was the libs that donned the brown shirts in de faderland and wiped out the Romonov’s. This surprises you?

        Disagree with them in a free society and they just find a way to charge you with a hate crime or fine you. That’s how it’s done.

        • leftcoastdave

          Who has been rioting in the streets?

          • BerwynBomber

            Marches are not “riots.”

          • willbest

            I think 200 of them are going to trial for inauguration day. And a dozen more in New York. They let the guys slide in Berkley.

          • AlbertInTucson

            You mean that limo didn’t spontaneously combust on inauguration day?

        • BerwynBomber

          Hitler was a fascist. That is far right. But the communists, far left, overthrew the Romanovs.

          Regardless, two different countries. Germany and Russia.

          • willbest

            The National Socialist German Workers Party was far right? ever looked at the platform?

            Fascism is authoritarian nationalism. The policy the government however applies from the top down can go all over the place. Hitler’s platform was functionally indistinguishable from Stalinism.

          • BerwynBomber

            Socially, of course they were. What do you think they had advanced pro-minority policies?

          • willbest

            Did Stalin or Mao?

          • BerwynBomber

            No, but they were communists. Hitler wasn’t.

          • willbest

            Which is supposed to be left wing extremism no? And that was my point. being pro-minority doesn’t make one left wing. Just like being an authoritarian doesn’t make you right wing.

          • BerwynBomber

            Hey, if the thought of the brown shirts as flaming liberals makes you sleep better at night, well then, there you go.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Nazi = national socialist zionist party. Actually, I think all extremists were welcome.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    What is truth my blogren? You’ll nevva know! Hahahahahahaha…….aaah

    • willbest

      When did you decide you were living in the matrix?

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        That’s a movie is it not?

        • willbest

          Thirteenth floor?

          • Zap Rowsdower (GP)

            in John Wick 2, when he’s on the lam and needs help, he goes underground in New York, in a secret society of homeless guys.

            Their leader is played by Lawrence Fishburne. He offers John Wick a blue pill, but he turns it down.

          • willbest

            lulz

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Don’t take the blue pill. Never the blue pill…..mmmkay.

          • leftcoastdave

            “If your woody lasts for more than six hours, call a doctor or go the the ER. Be careful while driving as your steering wheel . . . “

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol

  • AlbertInTucson

    Damn. Bill Paxton (ALIENS, TOMBSTONE, TWISTER, TITANIC, among others) dead at 61.

    • BerwynBomber

      Oddly enough, a few headshots make him look like a cross between Brady and Belichick. At least those that I’ve seen.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Reports say from “Surgical Complications”. Wonder what the surgury was?

        • willbest

          My bet is some form of tumor removal. We will find out eventually.

          • AlbertInTucson

            61.

    • MB30SD

      wow.

    • Bender McLugh

      Sad. Hell always be Chet to me

    • Think “Frailty” was a very underrated movie.

      • willbest

        He was Chet in Weird Science. Didn’t you roll with that Avatar for a while, or was the somebody else?

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    • leftcoastdave

      Now, now, it ain’t easy to quit drinking.

      • AlbertInTucson

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        • leftcoastdave

          No, relatively newly sober. Kudos to him for that.

          • AlbertInTucson

            We’re sure about “sober” ?

    • willbest

      I liked the use of the word carved. Not tattooed, not branded. No get in there with a knife and cut deep. A very personal and intimate interaction. Somebody who appreciates the craft.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Dang, sheite’s getting real around here.

  • willbest

    I think half of college students are in line for a refund from the college.

    http://nypost.com/2017/02/25/half-of-college-students-think-their-loans-will-be-forgiven/

    • MB30SD

      good luck with that

  • leftcoastdave

    Not saying that this WILL happen this year, just saying this is what DID happen last year:

    Last year there were three first round trades of picks pre-draft.

    The Titans gave the Rams the #1 and got back the Rams’ first-round pick, which is No. 15 overall, plus two second-round picks (43 and 45 overall) and a third-round pick (76), plus a 2017 first and third. The Titans also gave up a 2016 fourth and sixth-round pick back to the Rams. (sweet)

    The Browns gave up #2 to the Eagles in exchange for Philly’s No. 8, No. 77, No. 100, and the Eagles’ 2017 first-round pick and a 2018 second-round pick. (sweet)

    Philly got that 8 in a player trade with the Fish who got Philly’s 13.

    There were a smattering of other trades before the draft, like the bears getting the fourth from the Pats for Bennet.

    On day one there were five trades during the first round:

    Titans trade up to No. 8 to draft OT Jack Conklin. Titans get: No. 8 overall pick, 2016 sixth-rounder (No. 176 overall). The Browns get: No. 15 overall pick, 2016 third-rounder (No. 76 overall) and a 2017 second-rounder.

    The Browns have now gone from #2 to #15 and picked up three third round picks, a first and a second for 2017 plus a 2018 second. They still use their first round 15 on presumably best available wide receiver Corey Coleman. Three thirds future first and seconds to drop 13 spots. Was Coleman worth getting or were there no longer any buyers?

    How sweet is that?????

    Bears trade up to No. 9 to draft LB Leonard Floyd. The Bears get: No. 9 overall pick and the Buccaneers get: No. 11 pick, No. 106 pick (fourth round). Drop two for a fourth.

    Texans trade up to No. 21 to select WR Will Fuller. The Texans get: No. 21 overall pick and Washington gets: No. 22 pick, 2017 sixth-rounder Drop one for a sixth in a year.

    Broncos trade up to No. 26 to snag QB Paxton Lynch. The Broncos get: No. 26 overall pick Seahawks get: No. 31 pick, No. 94 pick (third round) (sweet, a third to move down 5 late in the first)

    49ers trade up to No. 28 to draft OG Joshua Garnett. The 49ers get: No. 28 pick, No. 249 (seventh round). Chiefs get: No. 37 pick (second round), No. 105 pick (fourth round) and No. 178 pick (sixth round). Go down nine late in the first for a high second and get a fourth and sixth in exchange.

    “Just the facts, ma’am.”

    • BerwynBomber

      “The Browns gave up #2 to the Eagles in exchange for Philly’s No. 8, No. 77, No. 100, and the Eagles’ 2017 first-round pick and a 2018 second-round pick. (sweet)”

      I’ll take Wentz (from what I saw of him as a rook) over those picks. Keep in mind too that a) the Iggles also received a 4th rounder from the Browns, and b) PHI virtually recouped all their picks via the subsequent Bradford trade.

      • willbest

        exaclty. Eagles basically traded their deadwood, a third, and a second in 2018 for Wentz. Even if Wentz doesn’t pan out, they didn’t bet the farm on him.

        • BerwynBomber

          My only issue with how some people score such trades is they seem to count the swapped first round as one in the win column of the team trading down when in reality it is a lesser pick than the one given up.

          So it sounds like the Browns got two first rounders for Wentz when in reality they only got one (extra). In this case, PHI’s 2017 first rounder.

          • leftcoastdave

            Yes, Philly’s first this year, their second next year, a third and a fourth. For what? To drop down six spots from 2 to 8. Good options at 8 worth dropping down for four picks. But instead they dropped another 7 for another third and a second this year.
            What could Pace get at 15 along with an additional two threes and a four as well as another first and second next year and another second in the following year?
            Two firsts and two seconds next year could come in handy if a top notch QB is on the board.

          • That would be my whole objective for trading down. Eye on the prize in 18 for Darnold.

            But if we score Tyrod in FA and still have all those extra picks, Pace can turn this shit around in 1 season practically.

          • leftcoastdave

            Would certainly provide the competition he wants at positions needing additional depth, not to mention what it can do for the special teams. You know he’s got to pick at least two DB’s and one LB. There’s plenty of dead wood to trim this year and young blood everywhere makes much more sense than wasting that 3 pick on a QB until the rest gets fixed. With what’s out there in FA, I expect to see us with the best D in the North.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m not against trading down.

      • leftcoastdave

        Is Wentz on the board?

        Would he have produced half as well with the Browns as he did with the Eagles?

        • BerwynBomber

          I presumed you liked the deal from the Browns perspective. I offered a different opinion. Happens on here.

          • leftcoastdave

            Hey, I like it. Would be funny to think Pace is watching and laughing at all of us as being clueless. “Only the shadow knows.”

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, who knows what’s in his mind. I wasn’t even sure Cutty wouldn’t be back until that report a few days ago. Guess, he still could be but would seem more of a longshot now.

  • leftcoastdave

    So now if Pace still has the third going in, he has his top three in hand. For me that would be Garret, Soloman Thomas or Allen or it might be the QB someone wants. Who knows who else rises on the board or what the needs are after FA. But the point is, you have your pick ready but are ready to sell it.
    The Jags might want one of those top three DL’s and dropping one is worth a mid round 2. They played this game last year and know the drill.
    The Jets want a QB and that would be worth a second plus a third or fourth.
    The Chargers might want a QB also sitting at seven.
    The Panthers at 8 could use one of the top three DL’s.
    The Bengels at 9 want an Edge.
    Browns and Cardinals at 12 and 13 need a QB and the Browns have plenty of ammo.
    From there, pretty much everyone on the board could have someone they are in love with or maybe somewhere there at 8-12 the bears decide there’s someone they’re in love with.

    That’s how it can play out.

    We shall see.

    Pace might break my heart and give up the 3 for Jimmy Garap.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      It’s Garoppolo. Is that Polish?

      • willbest

        G is going to Cleveland.

        • leftcoastdave

          G is staying put or moving to the niners.

          • willbest

            9ers are going to grab Cousins in a sign and trade.

    • I think Will did some research in the past, and teams most likely to trade up do so for either WR, or QB.

      So we better hope Corey Davis and Williams blow up the combine and shoot up (esp Davis since Williams is more a Bmarsh type).

      Traditionally, drafts come in tiers (rough projections)

      #1-5 AP
      #5-12 PB
      #12-34 Starters
      #34-….Contributors

      That’s usually how the experts rank them in the past. Of course, the exact numbers change from year to year, but that’s the cheat sheet a lot of teams kinda use.

      For instance this year I think the drop off comes at #7

      Garret, Allen, Hooker, Thomas, Adams lock down top #7,

      then add two more depending on needs and position (for instance Fournette and Foster might be just as talented, but HB and ILB traditionally get pushed down, while QB, Rush and LT get pushed up).

      After that, teams might lump #8-34 as more or less being the same, so not as much trade up until that stress point of falling down another tier materialized again.

      A lot is going to depend on what the 9ers do at #2.

      Browns and Garrett are practically set in stone by now, so the real action will begin with the 9ers.

      I think the 9ers will make a move for Cousins and trade their #2 the Skins.

      Obviously the Skins aren’t sold on Cousins, and Cousins has soured on them. Kyle Shanny is now in SF, and no doubt he’d want the guy he groomed instead of having to start all over again. I think it happens.

      If that happens, the redskins at #2 can get their QB.

      Either way, I think Trubisky goes at #2, which means suddenly QB needy teams (Jets, Bills, Browns – Texans, Donkeys, to a lesser extent) get very antsy and might trade up to #3 before the Jags

      (There’s no telling what the Jags do. They can easily draft a QB and quit on Bortles, new regime and all. )

      Our best bet for trading down is other QB needy teams sensing a rush on QBs.

      A team might also want Mike Williams or Corey Davis because there’s a huge drop-off after them, but neither as of now are in the Julio Jones model. If either blow up in the combine, maybe that changes and creates more of a market, but the WR market is rather barren this offseason, so might create need for teams to trade up (which is why we must tag Alshon if necessary).

      LT is another one. There’s only like one LT even worth a top #10 (and almost nothing in FA). Nearly every team could use one, esp teams like the Panthers or Chargers who are desperately trying to protect their signal callers.

      Just a few realistic possibilities.

      We’ll get a clearer picture once FA goes.

      • leftcoastdave

        Balls on.

        • The thing with teams wanting a QB is that there might be more “dark horses” wanting a QB than the general public acknowldges.

          For instance, I’ve read mocks where the Jags, Gmen, Cards and even Chiefs are drafting a QB. Maybe not for this year, but down the road.

          If a guy like Mahomes, Watson or Kizer falls to any of those teams, they could easily take a flyer thinking long term.

          Which again, should put pressure on really QB needy teams assuming they can scoop one up later in RD 1.

          Can’t really assume QBs will fall to the late 1st/early 2nd.

          Too much need.

          • leftcoastdave

            I still think Fournette could become an item as well as WR’s as you pointed out. Sure, RB’s are not going like they used to, but Jimmy Jones took Zeke at 4 last year and we see how that worked out for him.

  • Put some film on for Allen.

    Not all that impressed. I was expecting a more dominant performer, but he wasn’t.

    His arms seem short.
    Double teams gobble him up.
    He seems to fatigue.
    Saw him get owned a few times by nobodies.

    What he did well.

    Tenacious. Very determined to get to ball.
    Disengages well. Seems to have a good punch and counter.
    Stout, though I didn’t see him bull rush anyone to the QB
    Technician.
    Aware. On more than one play he sniffed the screen out, or timed the bat down.
    Versatile. Played all over the line, and effective as a DT, DE even sometimes stood up.

    Someone comped him to Justin Smith, and that may be accurate. A grinder who may not be explosive or “twitchy” but will be solid.

    Only question – is that worth a #3 overall? Experts seem to be as confused as I am cuz he’s mocked from #2 to #17 overall.

    His combine will be yuge for him.

    Here’s some that I watched, specifically the USC and Florida game

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jonathan-allen-vs-auburn-2016/

    • AlbertInTucson

      Naysayers seem to asking “Is Allen great or did he just benefit from all the other quality talent he played with a ‘Bama?

      Garrett, on the other hand, was a force even while playing most of the season on a bum ankle.

      • BerwynBomber

        The former was my view of Ragland last year. Though huge caveat, I only saw him play in the title game. But he came off the field every third down that remotely sniffed of a passing down and he only made one solo tackle the entire night.

        It was enough to make me dubious of him as our first round pick.

    • MB30SD

      Yep. Pass.

      I’ll take Aaron Donald 2.0 instead thanks…

      Of course we already have multiple dlinemen who are supposed to step the fuck up… Including our #7 we took last year. We have zero DBS.

      So hooker or Adams@ 3 please.

      • willbest

        Only because Thomas and Garrett don’t make it to us.

        • Luckily will didn’t win meaningless games last season, so even if worst case scenario Garrett/Thomas go, at leas we can still draft Hooker.

          If we lost the tie breaker to Jags, then they could’ve got Hooker, in which, that would suck major balls.

          But at least we’re guaranteed a stud at #3.

          Only thing is, I have a hunch Pace will draft Trubisky at #3.

          • willbest

            draft Trubisky? why do you say such hurtful things?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think he might, too. He’s probably the best of them, and maybe he wants to be seen to address QB … if the knives really are out for Cutty, that is.

          • MB30SD

            If we draft trubinsky and/or don’t release cutler (cause no one’s givin us sheeete for him) I will be done with this shitshow of an org

        • MB30SD

          Dude, you honestly think Thomas is gonna go @ 2?!

          And that’s besides the point… We need DBs, we got dline.

          Hooker or Adams pkease

          • willbest

            We are buying berry and bouye.

      • Like 2-3 sacks that I saw were on complete whiffs by Olinemen.
        A few others were when Alabama was up by like 21 points.

        In other words, seemed like he was just wracking up garbage stats

        He was muted by double teams, and I saw some unknown USC guy just drive him to the ground. That’s not exactly what you wanna see at #3.

        Allen struggles vs strength. For that reason I think he would make a better 4-3DT.

  • CanadaBear

    Hey MB have you seen that Australian sprinter (Caleb Ewan) in the Abu Dhabi tour? He’s beaten all the big names once and it would have been twice if he hadn’t celebrated too soon. He’s tiny for a sprinter and the other guys can’t draft him and it makes it hard to come around (insert your own joke here). Great stuff!

    • MB30SD

      I’ve had the kids since Wednesday afternoon Canada. All I’ve seen is Moana, Zootopia, etc…

      That and my house is completely fucking destroyed.

      Sounds cool though. Haha

      • CanadaBear

        I’ll keep ya in the loop! You’re a great dad!

        • MB30SD

          thanks man

  • willbest

    I see Jeff and I have a similar view of the oscars.

    • leftcoastdave

      Funny, what I see is one of my 357 mag metal jacket hollow points.

  • willbest

    Awesome. A twitter feed of America’s funniest home videos.

    https://twitter.com/HoldThisBeer

    • Scharfinator

      Hahah this is awesome, I wish there were more videos with sound though.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Casey Affleck gets the Oscar. Good for him. Great guy, great actor.

  • leftcoastdave

    New thread.

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  • Scharfinator

    Wow, super even split on the votes. I went with too close to call. Nothing happens in a vacuum and he showed equal parts of brilliance and lunacy with 19316 different OC’s and coaches.

    You can’t lay all the blame at his feet, but you can certainly lay some of it.

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