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Trubisky And Other Impressions From A Day At Practice

| August 2nd, 2017

“Wow! Who threw that?” Is the question my wife asked in our first real exposure to Mitch Trubisky at Saturday’s training camp practice.

It was a day in which everyone wanted to talk about the fumbled snaps but even a football novice like my wife could see that there was a definite difference in what Trubisky had to offer versus that of Mike Glennon and Mark Sanchez.

I don’t mean to minimize the snap issue. If a team can’t complete the snap, they can’t run a play. But there hasn’t been a quarterback in the history of the league who hasn’t figured out how to take a snap from the center. Let’s repeat that. There hasn’t been a quarterback in the history of the league who hasn’t figured out how to take a snap from the center.

The rest of that practice should have Bears fans excited.

The wow moment that caught my wife’s attention came in an individual drill. The wide receivers were running routes against the defensive backs and winning. The plays weren’t successful, however, because the quarterbacks couldn’t put the balls where they needed to be.

Then Trubisky — who had been working with the running backs against the linebackers — came in. His first pass was a perfect toss down the right sideline for a touchdown. The next was a sharp slant, right on the money.

In another drill, the quarterbacks were throwing at what were essentially two garbage cans, stacked on top of each other, with holes in them, set up all around the field. Trubisky put three passes right on the money and into the hole. The other quarterbacks combined to sink one.

In team drills, we saw more of the same. Trubisky was able to move around in the pocket, step up and make throws into tight spaces. Throws the other two guys couldn’t even consider.

Outside of the snap issues, Trubisky had a perfect practice. I don’t think he had more than five inaccurate passes and he was the only quarterback who was able to regularly make accurate throws down the field. He’s the most talented player they have at that position. No question about it. Yet good writers like Patrick Finley of the Sun-Times wrote that Trubisky isn’t even close to being ready.

But Finley — or anyone else for that matter — isn’t really capable of saying why. The Sun-Times scribe wrote:

Trubisky’s first full-bore NFL practice was another reminder that despite his impressive footwork and pretty spirals — a deep ball to Titus Davis was the best pass anyone threw all day — he’s not close to being the Bears’ starter.

But he never really gets into why he’s not close, outside of the snaps, which — as he noted — John Fox as pointed out the center shares the blame. It’s also worth noting that two days later, Mike Glennon, the guy who is supposed to be the starter, fumbled two snaps.

We don’t know about Trubisky’s ability to read defenses or adjust protections at the line of scrimmage. Glennon and Sanchez haven’t exactly been stellar in this areas in their careers so it isn’t crazy to think that Trubisky might already be superior to both. What is clear is that Trubisky is more athletic and throws a better ball. The rest, you can work around.

Those writing that Trubisky has to — and should — red shirt this year are buying into two flawed thoughts.

The first is that rookie quarterbacks shouldn’t start. There is no longer any strong evidence to back this up. In recent years we’ve seen starting rookie quarterbacks get their team on the right path quicker.

The next thought is that the Bears have been adamant Glennon is going to be the starter this year. But, I don’t think that’s etched in stone and Ryan Pace indicated the same at the pre-camp presser:

“Glennon is our starter and we’re confident in that. This thing is going to have to play out…I don’t think now is the time to deal with hypotheticals going forward.”

If Glennon is the starting quarterback and there’s no questions about that, what do they have to wait to play out? And, by not being willing to go into hypotheticals, didn’t Pace just admit that, hypothetically, Trubisky might be the starter?

Other thoughts:

  • The rookies in the draft that was supposedly going to get Pace fired sure have looked good. It doesn’t take much for Adam Shaheen to be open and it doesn’t take much for Tarik Cohen to find his way into the open field. I want to see Cohen with live tackling before I officially pass judgement, but the Bears defenders had a tough time even touching him so I don’t know how much tackling will change that.
  • Shaheen is bigger than you think. It’s one thing to look at the measurements, but seeing him in person is really kind of incredible.
  • Leonard Floyd is significantly bulkier this year. He looked like a wide receiver last year and now he looks like a defensive end.
  • Kevin White dropped two passes in Saturday’s practice, one of which should’ve been a touchdown from Sanchez, but ended up being an interception.  Then you have the quotes from wide receivers coach Zach Azzanni saying he had to have White watch his West Virginia tape to remind him that he’s good. This is very troubling to me.
  • When I ranked the Bears, I had Kendall Wright and Victor Cruz together, after watching them, I don’t think Cruz is even close to Wright. I think Wright might have a greater impact than most think.

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  • GiveNoFuq

    Jordan Howad was apparently working on speed this summer, has he looked noticeably faster?

    • SC Dave

      That would be interesting to know. I’m not sure we’ll see a whole lot more top-end speed – what Jordan has said concerned not losing as much speed going into and better acceleration coming out of his cuts, and not running out of gas so easily.

      • Scharfinator

        Which, thankfully, is a bit more trainable than full out speed.

        • SC Dave

          Indeed. It seemed pretty clear on a couple of his long runs that he *slowed down* and got caught. For the first 20 to 35 yards, he was going plenty fast enough to make it much further downfield.

          If he starts taking that shit to the house, he will be *terrific*.

          • What i love is that he realizes it. Fucker is ON it. Those mid rounders never lose that chip. He’s going to murder ppl this season

          • Johnnywad

            I’ll take all the 35 yard runs you got.

  • Ronald Raes

    I get that Jeff and Andrew reaaalllllly want to see Trubisky play and make progress, but this constant refusal to see the other side of the argument is weird to me. Really, you haven’t heard any argument why he could need some time to adjust? I live in fucking Belgium, and i have read some arguments made: trouble identifying the Mike, needing to learn how to adjust protections, throwing into double coverage etc.

    That great throw “on the move with a flick of the wrist” everybody raves about was, according to friend of the blog Adam Hoge, ill advised and into double coverage. that shit works sometimes, but usually it bites you in the ass. Remember Cutler?

    Actual tweet by Jeff: “What young QBs need to get acclimated to is not the playbook but the speed of the game and the complexity of the defenses they’ll face. 2/3”

    That point can easily be used the other way. Wouldn’t it not be better then, that by the time he takes a game snap he at least doesn’t have to worry abt knowing the playbook and everybody’s assignments, so he can play freely and focus on what the defense does, and knowing how to adjust? And maybe saw some footage of other teams’ defenses attacking the Bears O before he plays?

    From most accounts i’ve seen, Glennon probably doesn’t have the raw skill of Tru, but he does run a tight ship, playing safe and generally avoiding mistakes. You know that is exaclty what Fow wants. Saw some tweet from Data the other day re: correlation between the winning the turnover battle and winning record. I assume Pace and the coaching staff would like to improve on 3-13, to be able to save their own ass and live for another season. It’s not so hard to understand why they want to play it safe wit Tru. Cutler had more raw arm talent than any of them; and we know how that played out.

    • SC Dave

      Great post… pretty much hit all I was going to write. But do realize, that the majority of this fawning is for two purposes:
      1) Bait for clicks
      2) So that if he pans out, they can crow about “I told you from Day 1”

      Given that, any logical exposition of a contrary position is likely to fall on deaf ears.

    • BearDown100393

      Can this be today’s post instead?

    • Jeff will say Cutler turned out to the bear’s best QB ever. I defended the guy, blamed Lovie for not knowing offense, etc. But we were on a roll that year he broke his thumb vs chargers. Then he played realy well vs packers in trestman year one. If Conte had not blown the coverage or Peppers had kept contain, maybe everything is different? But oh, those picks at the worst possible time. Good time to retire Jay, I do not want to see you end up like Duerson.

      • Irish Sweetness

        :Jeff will say Cutler turned out to the bear’s best QB ever.”

        Doesn’t mean it’s true though, cos it’s not. And I don’t mean Sid Luckman.

    • Johnnywad

      You’re good. Post more often.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Nine fucking thumbs up. Impressive.

      God Bless ‘Palm’ beer!

  • Scharfinator

    “Let’s repeat that. There hasn’t been a quarterback in the history of the league who hasn’t figured out how to take a snap from the center.”

    No shit, they never see the field if they can’t figure it out. You’re citing data with confirmation bias.

    • BearDown100393

      This also works.

      Let’s repeat that. There hasn’t been a quarterback in the history of the league who hasn’t figured out how to wear his cleats on the correct feet.

      • Scharfinator

        Hahaahahaha, good stuff!

  • SC Dave

    I am very curious to see how Shaheen, Cohen, and Jackson (both as DB and PR) pan out.

  • ThompsonWay

    Very nice article, good read! Thanks

  • BerwynBomber

    “Let’s repeat that. There hasn’t been a quarterback in the history of the league who hasn’t figured out how to take a snap from the center.”

    Rex Grossman

    • CanadaBear

      Those tiny hands!!!!!!!!!

      • BerwynBomber

        Yup. He even coughed one up in the SB. Or was it two?

        • CanadaBear

          I’ve blocked the last 59 minutes and 45 seconds of that SB out of my mind permanently!

          • How the FUCK do you lose a SB when Hester returns the opening KO for a TD!?

            FUUUUUK

          • CanadaBear

            A perfect storm of mediocrity and key injuries.

          • Johnnywad

            You take the ball away from Thomas Jones and tell Grossman to air that shit out in the rain. And you have Al Afalava as a Safety. That will pretty much do it.

          • SC Dave

            As usual, shitty coaching. Like the most recent Super Bowl, although the Falcons staff was worse.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Tony Banks made Rex look like an absolute ARTIST at taking snaps.

      • BerwynBomber

        That is hard to imagine (or remember). But Grossman seemed to put one on the turf every damn game.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Pro Football Reference doesn’t break down fumbles vs fumbled snaps but…

          Rex is credited with 19 fumbles in 6 seasons as a Bear.

          Banks had 21 as a rookie with the Rams, 43 in 3 seasons in St. Louis and 73 in 9 seasons total.

          • CanadaBear

            I bow to your knowledge. I barely remember the guy.

          • AlbertInTucson

            He had some talent but wherever he went, fumbles followed.

          • BerwynBomber

            Grossman only started 31 games total as a Bear, which is less than two seasons total. (And he had three in his two post-season games.) But yeah, Banks numbers are outlandish.

            Regardless, point is there are QBs for whom the C/QB exchange was hardly a given.

          • AlbertInTucson

            As I recall, Banks was notorious for non-contact fumbles.

          • SC Dave

            Do we want another?

        • Johnnywad

          But only on 3rd and short at the opponent’s 38 yard line.

    • antityco

      Olin Kreutz

      • AlbertInTucson

        SMH.

        • SC Dave

          Well Al, Kreutz was half of the exchange. To blindly pretend none of it was his fault seems a bit hasty.

          • AlbertInTucson

            No doubt.

            But we were talking QBs and I don’t recall much finger pointing at Kruetz at the time.

            Granted, Kruetz DID stay too long at the fair.

    • #trumpHands

  • AlbertInTucson

    Happy Trails and Adieu, Coach Ara Parseghian.

    94 is a good run.

    • After 90 it”s just torture, right?

      • AlbertInTucson

        I’ll let you know if/when I get there.

      • SC Dave

        I’m thinking it will be awesome. Especially since I have 30 years for nutrition, medicine, and exercise knowledge to mature and help me feel a shitload better than expected when I get there.

  • BearDown100393

    Garbage cans are apparently this season’s new swimming pools.

    But then again, a pail is probably pulling down more completions than last season’s receivers.

    16-0

  • AlbertInTucson

    “There hasn’t been a quarterback in the history of the league who hasn’t figured out how to take a snap from the center.”

    That is just not true.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Tony Banks became LEGENDARY for making it an ADVENTURE every time he took one from under center.

      • BearDown100393

        Counter response – Not every snap though!!!!! 🙂

        • AlbertInTucson

          Enough to say he never MASTERED the art.

          • BearDown100393

            It is indeed a skill you are born with

          • What, ur not used to shoving ur hands up a 300 pound man”s ass regularly?

            Nttawwt

    • BearDown100393

      Willie Beamen lined up behind the wrong lineman once.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Different category. He didn’t line up wrong regularly.

        • BearDown100393

          He puked a lot though. Kinda gross.

    • Small hands?

  • Bender McLugh

    Floyd reportedly has more meat on his bones and has improved technique. Really looking forward to his season, should take another step in the right direction.

    • SC Dave

      I think this season is going to be a lot more fun than most seem to expect.

      • Bender McLugh

        with you man!

      • I’m expecting a 5-11, 6-10 type season, with a lot of close games and plenty of reasons to be optimistic heading into 2018.

        The key is QB though. Will Trubisky get a chance late in the season to learn on the job? Can’t start talking playoffs in 2018 until you see enough flashes in-game from him late in 2017, IMO.

        • SC Dave

          What if Glennon finishes the season in the Top 10 of the league? What if he outperforms Trubisky in every way?

          Still think no playoffs in 2018?

          I just don’t understand the mindset.

          • Corporal Clott

            Jeff don’t care if the Bears ever make the playoffs again, so long as Trubinsky starts this season. Hee hee

          • leftcoastdave

            He just wants to be able to say, “I told you so”, even if what he is now saying is stoopid. Even if Trub doesn’t get on the field, he will be saying “woulda, coulda, shoulda, just like I predicted.”

          • CanadaBear

            Glennon would have to play lights out to keep MT on the bench next year. That would be a nice problem to have. I wouldn’t rule it out.

          • That’s certainly a possibility. But I have very low holes for Glennon. He just hasn’t shown the ability to do much well other than avoid throwing too many INTs, and that goes back even to college. Maybe he’s gotten way better in the last few years of not playing, but I doubt it.

            I would be shocked if he’s still around in 2018. He’s just not a QB that wins you a championship, and they invested too much in Trubisky to not find out if he might be that guy sooner or later.

          • SC Dave

            You’re probably right, but I’ll give the guy his shot. Maybe “later” is after 2018. If Glennon somehow becomes Very Good, he’d be a damn cheap option for next year.

          • the odds say Glennon is likely not becoming very good. Not many QBs magically do at 27-28 years old. There are a few, but not many.

          • leftcoastdave

            Wrong, again wrong. Glennon should know by now his capabilities and da Bears have built what? A team to play smash mouth. Why do you think Pace signed Simms? Why do you think he drafted baby Gronk? It ain’t rocket science. He has Jordan Howard. And why do you think he drafted Tarik the Freak? To play a rookie who doesn’t know what he is seeing in front of him, or to use the smash mouth tools you have in a conservative style?

        • IF Birdcage prepares a spread-option package for Trub towards the end of rhe yr i think that will go a long way

        • leftcoastdave

          Wrong. Totally wrong. It’s the playoffs and a battle with the Peckers for the division. The D will be top ten and the O conservative, ball control and gettin’ it done smashmouth with TE madness and occasional field stretchers after the other team’s D tries to load the box.

    • CanadaBear

      Saw a brief clip of Willie talking about reminding Floyd to keep his head up when tackling. He seemed to think Floyd got the msg. Let’s hope so!

      • He better. One more concussion and he’s going to be contemplating retirement

        • Also, who’s that fuck who always used to go in head first like a god damn bull and always knocked himself out?

          I think it was a safety.

          Me and MB used to laugh at him asking,”WTF is he doing? Has he ever been coached in his entire life?”

          • AlbertInTucson

            Doug Plank?

            Chuck Cecil?

          • That Guy

            Conte.

            There’s a reason ConTE’s name has CTE in it.

          • Cormonster

            Third round white safety Brandon Hardin. Not sure if he ever made it past pre-season.

          • There ya go! drew a blank for some reason.

            I think he hurt his neck too, among other things

          • AlbertInTucson

            Shoulder issues, as I recall…?

          • leftcoastdave

            That dude SF drafted who was a human torpedo playing for ‘Bama. He’s been concussed more times than London during the blitz.

  • Corporal Clott

    Andrew seems to believe accuracy and arm strength win Trubinsky the starting job, no?

    Can we please just stop with this silly argument? Fox will start Trubinsky when he believes the timing is right, period. Can we all agree that’s how it needs to go down? Smh

    • SC Dave

      Arm strength and accuracy got us to the promised land with Jay… oh wait.

      • CanadaBear

        If only the Bears woulda …

      • BerwynBomber

        Technically I don’t know if Cutler’s accuracy was ever highly praised.

        But arm strength, yes. He had a cannon.

    • Irish Sweetness

      But what’s the point in having accuracy and arm strength and you don’t know where to throw it?
      How can anyone justify an 18M dollar bench-warmer … backing up a guy who isn’t ready to play?

    • Bender McLugh

      Can you please change your autocorrect already?

  • Great hook Andy! I may just buy that fan belt for half off.
    But jesus. Jeff finds the ONE guy who ranked Cutler as the #1 player last off season, and now Trub love.
    Is it like girls cycling their periods together?
    If that offends some, it should!
    As offensive as Trub starting.
    That being said nice to have boots on the grounds. GP used to give us the downlow but I’m certain he’s now black listed for conspiring to take down Ginny

  • BerwynBomber

    I have no dog in the Glennon/Trubisky competition but Jeff and AD sure lay on the pro-Trubisky stuff thick.

    I suspect Trubisky will ultimately take the job — as the #2 overall pick in the draft he better — but already I’m bracing for their Cutler treatment of the guy: a ton of blame defection mixed in with equal parts excuse-making and victimhood.

    But hey, maybe he will be so good that he won’t require much of it.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Glennon has yet to take as much as a pre-season snap and he already stinks.

      SMH.

      • Malice Halice

        I honestly could care less how accurate he is when standing in place, I’ve consistently ejaculated in chicks nostrils while just holding it. U think I can shoot that shit in there while she’s jacking it off, fuck no! Glennon position won’t even be questioned anymore after the first PS game and definitely when we outgun the Falcons in the opener.

        • “I’ve consistently ejaculated in chicks nostrils while just holding it”

          You sir are a Wordsmith and a pimp.

          I turn over my crown to thee.

        • Johnnywad

          How much less could you care?

      • BearDown100393

        Trubisky has yet to take as much as a pre-season snap and he already great.

      • Just wait till Glennon throws an INT against the 3rd stringers in a PS game.

  • BearDown100393

    Da Mitch Blog

    • CanadaBear

      I really need more info about that Camry!

    • Da Blog formerly known as Da Cutler Blog.

      Just keep swinging, I guess .

    • BuddhaJoe

      Jeff and Mitchy sittin’ in a tree….

      • EnderWiggin

        F U C . . . wait.

  • BuddhaJoe

    Shit man, I was one of the guys who wanted them to draft a new guy and keep Cutty, but now I find myself defending Glennon. Fuck me AND fuck you. Glennon needs to start.

    • Johnnywad

      Hahahaha. That’s great. This team totally screws with your brain.

      • SC Dave

        It sure does!

  • BerwynBomber

    Of course the hugest irony of all would be if Glennon plays well for three games, goes down with an injury, Fox does the Fox thing and inserts a veteran in Sanchize, and Sanchize freaks out and takes us to the post-season.

    The CHI ’18 QB depth chart: an embarrassment of riches.

    • BuddhaJoe

      You shut your damn mouth!

      • King of DBB

        Shut it!

    • AlbertInTucson

      An unbelievable, but absolutely delicious, scenario.

      • SC Dave

        I’d rather it be 9 games than 3, but yeah.

    • ButtonShoes

      Cocaine is a hell of a drug, ain’t it BerwynBomber?

  • King of DBB
    • Irish Sweetness

      Fists of fury! Loved that clip. And alcohol remains legal.

  • King of DBB
  • I agree Glennon should be the day one starter, unless Trubisky is actually better than him, which it sounds like is not the case right now.

    You invested $18M in Glennon for this year, give him 8 games to see if you happened to beat the odds and find a diamond in the rough. In the most likely scenario, which is that he continues to be just good enough to keep you in games but not good enough to make the key plays to win them, you sit him down at the bye and start looking ahead to 2018 with Trubisky.

    • leftcoastdave

      Better than him?????

      I think a case can be made that he is “better” at many things, ie. throwing the football and perhaps scrambling. But the question is more a matter of knowing what the hell he is doing out there facing an NFL defense. That is not easily absorbed quickly. It is one thing to be able to “make key plays”, but yet another to be in a position to make key plays which presumes you have kept the team in the game in the first instance without being flummoxed by the defense and possibly coughed up the football or failed to move the football when you have it.

      The question is not “better”, it is more capable in the head.

      • That all goes into the evaluation of “better.”

        From everything I’ve read (which includes perspectives from 10-15 different people who have been watching), it sounds like it’s apparent that Trubisky has the most natural talent of the QB group by a wide margin, but he’s also the most raw. If that is indeed the case, Glennon should be playing.

        But if Trubisky is progressing well and Glennon looks like Glennon for the first 8 weeks, that should swap at the bye, IMO.

    • BerwynBomber

      What do you do if he plays as well as Cutler? That is, as an average to slightly below average NFL starter. Still yanking him after eight games?

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