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The Dannehy Draft Big Board

| April 25th, 2017

Last time I guessed what the Bears draft board looks like, I didn’t think a quarterback was on it. Now, not only do I think a QB is on it, I think it revolves around the position.

The more I thought about it, the more quarterback made sense for the Bears. It’s the biggest need on the team and there are players who are absolutely worth the third pick (especially if Jared Goff was worth the first pick last year). The signing of Mike Glennon buys them time and, if Glennon plays well, they won’t have trouble trading him for a first round pick next offseason.

Which QB the Bears may like is anybody’s guess. And people have guessed everybody. Within the span of five days, Eric Galko of Sporting News went from writing that Deshaun Watson was their favorite to tweeting that they preferred Patrick Mahomes. The next day it was reported that the Cleveland Browns were convinced the Bears were going to take Mitchell Trubisky. Nobody knows and anybody who says they do is full of it.

After quarterback, the Bears biggest need is probably cornerback, followed by defensive line, safety and offensive tackle, at least among the positions they could take early. The Bears can get good players at other positions later. We don’t know if they can get another quarterback.

Here is the final pre-draft big board, minus only consensus first overall pick Myles Garrett.

10. Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin

Considered by many to be the best offensive tackle in the draft, the raw former University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point player could lock down one of the Bears offensive tackle spots for the next decade. Charles Leno Jr. and Bobby Massie are OK, but the Bears’ pursuit of Ricky Wagner made it clear they’d like an upgrade.

9. Ruben Foster, LB, Alabama

This would obviously be after a trade back, but the Bears have shown interest in Foster and it makes sense. Danny Trevathan has a long injury history and is coming off of yet another major surgery. Jerrell Freeman turns 31 next week and is one mistake away from a lengthy suspension. Nick Kwiatkoski is still an unknown. After that, it’s John Timu. If his off-the-field issues check out, Foster gives them a lynchpin and a building block.

8. Jamal Adams, S, LSU

I just don’t think he’s the kind of athlete Ryan Pace tends to target in the first round. Going back to his days in New Orleans, Pace’s teams have tended to draft excellent athletes in the first round. Adams is an adequate athlete, but I have major questions about his explosiveness. His vertical jump ranked in the eighth percentile and his broad jump would be the worst of any safety a Pace team has drafted other than DeAndre Houston-Carson.

7. O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama

I don’t know if a more complete tight end has entered the draft. Would be higher on the list if the Bears hadn’t signed Dion Sims, but I wouldn’t blink if he ended up being the pick, either at three or after a trade down.

6. Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio St.

Conley would be the top cornerback in most drafts. Has size, length, athleticism and ball skills and I fully expect him to be among the first 10 picks.

5. Jonathan Allen, DL, Alabama

Like Adams, I just don’t think Allen is the kind of athlete Pace covets. I’m not as sure on this one because the Bears were rumored to be interested in DeForest Buckner last year and Leonard Williams the year previous. Neither tested exceptionally well athletically but unlike safety, defensive line doesn’t demand elite athleticism. Pace has still shown a tendency to prefer players who are either huge or athletic there and Allen is neither.

4. Malik Hooker, S, Ohio St.

The Bears tied an NFL record for fewest takeaways last year. Hooker was elite at attacking the ball while it was in the air last year and has been compared to Ed Reed. The depth at the position in the draft is why I think the Bears will ultimately look to fill the void on Day Two.

3. Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio St.

The Bears have gone after several top cornerbacks in the last two years and Lattimore is among the best corner prospects to enter the draft in the last several years. He has everything you could want. We don’t know about his hamstrings, but NFL teams have a much better idea. If they check out OK for the Bears, they’re OK for me. Like safety, the Bears can get a high-end starter later in the draft.

2. Solomon Thomas, Edge, Stanford

Not a need, but too nice of a luxury to pass. Thomas is an elite athlete who can rush from a variety of positions. He and last year’s first round pick Leonard Floyd would compliment each other perfectly. He’s raw, but the Bears have some very good coaches to work with him.

1. Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson

This is my guess regarding the quarterback the Bears want. Watson fills most of the qualifications Pace has spoken about publicly and it’s extremely difficult to argue against his success at the collegiate level. It isn’t all about the Alabama games, but that tape is as close as we get to seeing a player in a big time NFL atmosphere and Watson passed with flying colors. I think Watson is one of the five best quarterback prospects to enter the league in the last decade.

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  • evantonio

    first things first. how is it that your views on watson (5 best in last decade) is so divorced from the viewers of 99% of everyone else’s? is it my fault? something i said?

    • Andrew Dannehy

      If I had said the same about Winston, nobody would question it. But what makes Winston better coming out? Winston was bigger with a stronger arm, but less accurate, more mistake-prone, can’t make plays with his legs and had a really mediocre season at FSU. And, of course, Winston has some very scary off-the-field issues.

      • evantonio

        I would have questioned you saying Winston was top 5 of the decade. But I question everything – like why do some diners charge an extra $1.50 for waffle fries with your hamburger deluxe, but others give it for free.

      • Irish Sweetness

        People read the media-bites a long time ago, man. They decided they weren’t liking the QBs in this draft, because you’re not supposed to, because a bunch of media goons told them that. Media goons not employed for their football knowledge by NFL teams currently.

        Irrelevant. We just need to draft the best one.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I think his numbers look pretty good, even for college.

  • SC Dave

    “If they [Lattimore’s hamstrings] check out OK for the Bears, they’re OK for me.”

    How’d that work for Kevin White, Andrew?

    • Andrew Dannehy

      Kevin White got hurt, Bears couldn’t tell the future. There was nothing in his medical history to suggest that would happen.

      • Sahr Gborie

        That’s the whole point. If you didn’t know about whites injury, why would you draft someone who has a well document injury? Would you buy a new car with transmission issues?

        • Big Mike

          If the transmission could be replaced, even upgraded sure. Apples and Oranges. White’s injury wasn’t found. Lattimore’s is right out there. I still don’t take him.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Even if you can replace the transmission why would you when you can get a different car without the transmission issues or any other issues?

          • Big Mike

            The rest of my car is in great shape.

        • Andrew Dannehy

          White showed us that players with absolutely no medical history of evidence that they’re at risk for being injured can get injured just as much as anybody. If you’re using him as an example, then you’d have to argue that you have to avoid perfectly healthy players too.

          We know what Lattimore’s problem is, the question is if it can be fixed. If the answer is yes (in this case it could as simple as what he’s eating for breakfast) then he’s worth the pick.

      • King of DBB

        Incorrect thank you for playing.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Exactly – how were people supposed to know “oh, this guy’s fibula is going to break!”

  • Captain Obvious

    I get that QB is the most important position on the team.
    I get that Watson might be good.
    I get the logic that you solve the QB position first, and I get that a good-to-great QB is a more important piece of the puzzle than an All-Pro safety.

    But Watson might be good. Might. And the 2018 QB class looks to be stronger and deeper.

    I, and most fans, would be willing to suffer through a mediocre-to-bad 2017 if it meant getting a much better QB prospect next year. Given that Glennon is under contract, and whoever gets drafted at QB would likely be sitting for much (if not all) of 2017, what’s the fucking point of taking a possibly good-to-great guy this year when you can take a possibly great guy next year, with virtually the same 2017 outcome?

    • Andrew Dannehy

      Last year, everyone said to wait for the 2017 QB class. The year before, everyone was supposed to wait to draft Connor Cook. Last year at this time Brad Kaaya was projected to be a high first round pick. Even the QB from Illinois was thought to be a first rounder by some. The “wait until next year” thought process is fatally flawed. You’ll have more questions about those guys 12 months from now.

      • Sahr Gborie

        Normally that is true. However there are some years where it is a fact that waiting until the next year is for the best.

        18 is considered to be one of the best QB class in a long while.

        If you don’t believe in Watson then you don’t draft him. Why buy a car you do t like just to say you have a car? Waste of money. In our case that’s waste of a draft pick.

        • Irish Sweetness

          “Considered” by whom ? By the same experts who get proved wrong EVERY year?

        • chitownproud85

          It doesnt alter the fact that every single pick will be a crap shoot next year, the same as it is this year. All educated guesses, as likely(actually probably more so based on actual hits)to be wrong as to be right. People write in wins before they happen, they credit players before they are drafted, and now we are calling something that doesnt even exist yet better than what exists now. Its madness.

        • Andrew Dannehy

          People said the exact same thing about the 2017 QB class.

      • Big Mike

        Good comment.

      • Governerd

        Spot on, Andrew. Every player in the draft is a gamble. Every. Single. One. There’s not one can’t-miss prospect. The players in next year’s draft are an even bigger gamble, partly because you could be picking first, you could be picking last, you have absolutely NO guarantee of picking up one of these supposedly sure-fire prospects. You don’t get the third pick often. Take a shot.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And the fuck of it is Watson will probably go at 2.

          But there is only the now … and now we have the high pick – so long sought after .. .to do what? But I think SF take Watson.

          Then I hope Pace has the balls to take the safety at 3.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The weakest defense there is. “Next year’s class is better …”

      SO WHAT? WE’RE NOT PICKING 3 NEXT YEAR!

      We have the 3 pick THIS year. And only a CHANCE of getting Watson.

      The two teams ahead of us need him too.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Exactly we are picking 32 next year. Thats a lot to trade up for.

  • Sahr Gborie

    I dont see Watson elevating the Bears past the Cheese, Lions or Vikings.

    Can anyone honestly say you see Watson doing for us what Luck did for the Colts? He took a team that had nothing to the AFC Championship. He put them on his back.

    Can you see Watson going toe to toe with Mr.Munn and Stafford?

    He reminds me of Bridgewater. If people are ok with that then we are going to be in the Norths basement for a while.

    • Big Mike

      Don’t need a QB to be Andrew Luck. Comparing a rookie QB to one of the best ever and one of the best in the game right now, is silly.

      • MB30SD

        You need him to be in order to be worth a 1-3 mike

        • Big Mike

          I don’t agree. If you think a QB is one of the top 10 or 15 players in the draft and you have the 3rd pick, you take him. You absolutely take him. The question is are any of these guys the top 15 football players available? That is the debate.

          • MB30SD

            I think it’s top 10 @ 3 for me… Anything outside of that and the reach is too expensive/risky

          • Big Mike

            That’s splitting hairs. Concept is right. Real question is still how good are these QBs. One of them is going to make us feel like shit for the next 10 years. The odds say that one of the guys we don’t take is going to be a good to very good NFL QB. They can’t all 4-5 of them suck. Dream scenario, we get that guy in round 2. Woo hoo… Nightmare scenario, we take one of them in round 1 and every one of the QBs we didn’t take is good. 🙁 And Adams goes on to become the Safety of all time.

          • MB30SD

            your second scenario is MUCH more likely than us picking the diamond in the rough don’t you think?

            It’s exactly that risk that makes it not worth taking a QB with this year’s #3. You take the generational safety who’s almost guaranteed to be a star.

          • CanadaBear

            The problem is the “almost”. I agree Adams looks tremendous and I’ll be happy as a clam if the Bears draft him. However, nobody is a sure thing. Of all the QB’s, I like Watson a lot. Who knows? The only time I saw Trubisky was in the bowl game this year and he reminded me Cutler. Uh, no thanks. Gotta admit he sure looks the part (until the ball is hiked). Anywho, tomorrow night will be interesting for sure.

          • Big Mike

            You know I like stacking the secondary this year with 2 of the top 3 picks. I can’t see it, but there is likely to be some once in a lifetime value in the secondary at pick 36. Guys who would normally be top 15 players. The 11th highest draft rated safety this year would have had the 3rd highest grade (5.7) last year. Desmond King 5.7 – 2017, Von Bell 5.6 2016 and the 2nd highest pick in 2015 – Derron Smith 5.6 and 3rd, just behind Clinton Ha-HA dix in 2014 5.9)

            FYI Adams has a 6.6. The only guys with a higher score than Adams in the last 5 years is Hooker (6.7). That’s a higher grade than Calvin Pryor, Landon Collins, etc

        • willbest

          That isn’t true. If you told me kizer was the next Alex smith he would go #1

          • MB30SD

            I don’t even think Watson is that

          • Irish Sweetness

            We’ll see. But why not support the guy if we draft him? are you going to support him?

          • MB30SD

            we won’t see him for another fucking year dude.

            Yes, I support all of our sideline clipboard holders, waterboys, towel boys, etc… it’s a hard job but someone has to do it.

          • willbest

            My point is if you got a guy that can make 80% of the throws and solid decision making, he is going at the top. It’s a position where if you are just a starting caliber prospect you go round one where everyone else going that round is supposed to be special talents at that position

    • Irish Sweetness

      In two or three years? Yes. Why not?

  • Big Mike

    On April 25th, 2014, my post about the Bears was this. “We will find out 2x per year, Long gets to try and block Shariff Floyd, the guy we should have taken” This comment from a guy who likes to draft OL. I had studied Long’s tape and what you couldn’t see was committed he was, and how much he would improve. He really wasn’t that good in college. Nothing that said pro-bowl. His tape said he had potential. Just goes to show.. Bring it on. Here’s to another pick that out plays his draft slot.

  • MB30SD

    I’m done jerking off into the draft winds.

    3. More. Days.

    Don’t fuck it up pace. Sprint to that podium and take Adams or thomas if they’re there.

    Don’t take Watson and add your name to the long and growing list of bears management super cucks.

    • Big Mike

      Just have to know that if they take a QB, they are betting their careers on it. I don’t know if that makes it better or worse. GMs never get a second shot, you think Pace wants to spend the next 20+ years never having a shot to be a GM again, because he messed up his first round pick in 2017. It would be an all in move. Personally, I think all the posturing about QBs and the Bears that is being reported is a ploy to drive up the value of the 3rd pick. (please, please, please). Drop a slot or two, gain some pics and take Adams etc..

      • MB30SD

        Totally agree mike, that would be the logical thing to do…

        … but we are the bears, so I expect pace to be pressured to take RG IV and be out of the league in 2 years.

        • Big Mike

          The good news is, just about anything is better than your expectations so you’ll be pleasantly surprised. Seriously one thing I’m looking forward to is, the talent that drops out of each round that we have a shot at early in every round.

          Teams are going to be knocking on our door every round. Swapping picks in a round and getting an another pick somewhere else. I think that if they swap to the the middle of the same round, they get an extra pic a round or two later. Don’t really want a bunch of 5th round pics at the expense of a low third, but if you can trade back 10 slots in the third and pick up a 4th.. that’s money..

          • MB30SD

            Until I see pace crushing it, I’m going with my bears PTSD self and expecting midline with maybe one or two OK!s.

            Maybe I’m talking myself into it at this point, I’ve really liked pace so far

          • Big Mike

            It’s easy to go around and around. I’m believing Pace kills it. Last year’s draft was the best in a very long time and was widely praised by many NFL sources. Now he’s got the advantage of early picks each round. His first year, let me remind you, he was working with Emery’s scouting staff. Even considering that he didn’t strike out. I’m conceding White. Not sure you could predict two injuries in back to back years.

          • leftcoast dave

            Get outta my head!

          • MB30SD

            Agree

          • SC Dave

            Getting Howard in round 5 was the best draft value in a looooong time. Whitehair was a great choice. Floyd and Kwiat have to prove out.

          • CanadaBear

            I think Floyd just has to stay healthy. Those two KO’s last year are very concerning. You like Kwiat a lot more than me. Hope he takes a step this year. Unless the Bears draft an ILB or sign one in FA, it looks like Kwiat will be the guy. I really don’t think DT will ever be the same. Bears luck.

          • Big Mike

            They’ve received A, A- or B+ grades on their draft (evaluations done after the season) from ESPN, PFF, etc. Floyd was a beast as the season progressed. Bullard is going to surprise everyone this year. 1st round talent http://chi.247sports.com/Bolt/Why-Jonathan-Bullard-is-poised-for-breakout-2017-NFL-season-52045419 https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/03/16/second-year-breakouts-2016-nfl-draft, Bush and Hall will get on the field. Kwiatkoski has potential.

          • CanadaBear

            Why do you say that about Bullard? Have you read some good things about him this off season or do you think he’s taking a step? I was REALLY disappointed with his play (or lack thereof) last year.

          • Big Mike

            In the links. I think he just had a hard time adjusting to the NFL, the injuries to the DL were significant. He took on a lot of double teams that he wouldn’t have had to take on if we had stayed healthy.

          • leftcoast dave

            Doood. Last year he crushed it. Without the injuries, what? He’s put a competitive team on the field already through FA and now we get to see where he finds more hidden gems.

          • MB30SD

            I’m with you, just having Emery WTF?!?! flashbacks

      • Sahr Gborie

        Pace has a strong poker face. I hope is he putting bait down for a trade. He replaced a guy who bet his career on Cutty and a bum coach. See how that worked out. Pace is smarter than that…i hope

        • Irish Sweetness

          If Watson or Trubs goes at 2 they’ll be falling over themselves on the way to the Bears’ doorstep. Watch. Chum in the water.

          Pace doesn’t need to take a crappy offer. He can just draft the kid.

      • If they don’t take a QB high, they’re betting their careers on Mike Glennon.

        I’d take my chances with a top rookie.

        • Sahr Gborie

          Pace still has 2-3 more years. Maybe he’s waiting until his new coach to get a QB. Harbaugh&Darnold

          • SC Dave

            *sigh*

            The silly fantasies just won’t go away.

        • CanadaBear

          I agree with ya except in the case where the Bears are hideous again this year (due to injuries, etc.) and are right back at the top of the draft next year.

        • chitownproud85

          This

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          ‘Your keep taking shot in the first round even if the guy doesn’t clearly deserve to be a first round pick’ is a bogus strategy

          Just take a qb high you may hit a jackpot is not a strategy.

          According to you, Jaguars did great. You would give thumbs up to their strategy of taking a shot with Blaine Gabbert and then failing. Then taking a shot with Blake Bortles and failing.

          Same with Vikings. You would give thumbs up to taking Christian Ponder at #12 (taking a shot early) and then taking Bridgewater. And even without the injury Bridgewater was headed towards JAG.

          • The Jags swung and missed twice. If that happens, you’re screwed. Guess where they’d be without that? Still screwed.

            The Vikings took a consensus 3rd round prospect in the 1st round. I will never advocate for that. They were NFC contenders with Bridgewater by year 3.

            There are 3 guys viewed as 1st round picks in this years’ draft. Pace has scouted them extensively and I’m sure identified the one he likes best. Grab him at 3.

        • Big Mike

          I don’t agree. If they have a draft comparable to last year, have “league average” injuries, they’ll get to 7-8 wins. If they do that, they get to spin again in 2018. All Glennon has to to do is be average+. The guy taken with the 3rd pick at QB, has a much higher bar, which will be no lower than the best results of any QB taken in 2017 or the players they could have taken at 3.

    • chitownproud85

      The Biggs “13 reasons to draft a QB this year” article from this morning is pretty much where I’m at with the Bears draft this year. If not now, then when? Too many people making assumptions about what will be available “next year” and where the Bears will draft “next year”. I guess constantly taking defense and becoming the Lovie Bears again makes sense, since obviously he did occasionally win something, but it seems like no one wants that…and yet everyone wants that. Its very confusing to be a Bear fan these days.

      • MB30SD

        There’s no confusion in it for me man. It just sucks.

        We take a huge risk with Watson @ 3… Sure he COULD become Wilson, but he looks much more like rg3 to me.

        We could be close to a decent D, and if Glennon is just decent, we could be ok next year. I’m all about going all in for a QB, but the reward has to at least equal the risk, and Watson doesn’t look like that guy to me.

        Guess we’ll find out sooner or later

        • Sahr Gborie

          the reward has to at least equal the risk – quote of the year

          Is the reward(WINSTON) of drafting Watson @#3 worth the risk(RG3)?

      • Big Mike

        Too many needs. Trade back get more picks. Trade up get better picks. Take a QB, no… fix the secondary. They are all pretty decent strategies. We’re sitting here as fans, thinking how to plug 10 holes with 3 really air tight plugs, 4 that will hold and bubblegum and tape.

        There’s no right answer.. except the one that works out looking back at this 3 years from now. Kevin White was a game changer, Kyle Long was a WTF. Howard was a meh… Cameron Meredith was a UDFA, you just don’t know…

        • chitownproud85

          Captain Hindsight will reign, no doubt about that.

    • leftcoast dave

      I may be delusional, but I see the best Bears O Line in many years with a running back who has stepped into some big shoes and wears them well. I also see a D7 which is better than we’ve seen for years with people who might step up into a solid rotation on the line. The Secondary was the biggest issue last year and veterans are there now to teach up da yoot. Finally, Pace crushed it last year so I expect the playoffs.

  • chitownproud85

    Regardless of who/what, I will be excited by our pick this year. You have to believe that the 3rd overall pick is going to upgrade our team in SOME way, and give us something to watch and root for in ’17 while the team itself swirls around the toilet bowl another year. While I think arguments can be made for every position and every need, I’m ready to get excited for #3, whoever it is. Our team fucking sucks, and I’m ready to watch them get better. …Of course, all of this is assuming we really do get better with the #3 pick…and now vomiting again. GO BEARS!

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Remember Tajh Boyd?

    He put up great numbers at Clemson just like Deshaun Watson on a team that was as stacked as the one Watson played on. Its a gimmicky offense that does not translate to NFL.

    I bet both Nate Peterman and Brad Kaaya will have more successful NFL careers than Deshaun Watson.

    You want a rookie QB to play this year if Glennon goes down? Take Nate Peterman.

    • Sahr Gborie

      Is Tajh still in the league?

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        No.

        • Sahr Gborie

          J.Adams@3

    • Irish Sweetness

      Your argument seems to be that as Tahj Boyd went, so shall Watson.

      We shall see.

      Was Boyd rated 150+ over 3 seasons by chance? 67.5%? 3-1 TDs-INTs?

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        No, the argument is throw out Deshaun Watson’s stats when evaluating him.

        Separate the QB from the system when evaluating him for a career in the NFL.

        Deshaun Watson has all the intangibles one wants in a QB. But beyond the intangibles, he doesn’t offer much. He doesn’t have the foundation skills a QB needs to have to be successful in NFL. He doesn’t have the foundation skills you would expect a QB to picked at #3 to have.

        What good are intangibles when you don’t have the NFL fundamentals?

        • Irish Sweetness

          That’s fair enough.

          But doesn’t being coached and mentored by say, Sanchez, help him with that stuff?

          It’s not like he’s too young to learn. He needs to learn.

          But the draft is in a few days.

          • Governerd

            Nobody will work harder in this qb class than Watson. Exemplary off the field character and a student of the game. He may bust, but he will do everything within his power not to.

  • Irish Sweetness

    You and me, Andrew. You and me.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Some college stats for you..
      Guess the player.

      He finished the year completing 298 of 499 passes for 3,828 yards and 33 passing touchdowns. He also ran for 218 yards and five touchdowns. He was also mentioned as a possible 2012 Heisman Trophy candidate.

      During his second year as a starter in 2012, QB helped lead the Team to an 11–2 record, completing 287 of 427 passes for 3,896 yards, 36 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. On November 17, 2012 in a game against NC State, he broke the ACC record for most touchdowns in a game. QB threw five touchdown passes and ran for three more, collecting eight total touchdowns and racking up 529 all-purpose yards. After the season, he was named the ACC Player of the Year and AFCA 1st team All-American. In the 2012 Chick-fil-A Bowl game against the LSU Tigers, QB completed 36 of 50 pass attempts for 346 yards and two passing touchdowns as well as a rushing touchdown and was named the game’s MVP.

      As a senior in 2013, the Team went 11–2, with QB completing 283 of 413 passes for 3,851 yards, 34 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. On November 14, 2013 QB set the ACC career passing touchdowns record. In his final college game against the Ohio State Buckeyes in the 2014 Orange Bowl, QB helped lead the Team to a 40–35 victory, completing 31 of 40 passes for 378 yards and five passing touchdowns. He also had 127 rushing yards and a touchdown. His performance set an Orange Bowl record for total yards in a game.

      QB finished his career with school records and conference records for passing yards with 11,904 and passing touchdowns with 107. He is currently the all-time leader in both of those categories.

      NFL Draft: 2014 / Round: 6 / Pick: 213

      Career history

      New York Jets (2014)*
      Florida Blacktips (2014)*
      Boston Brawlers (2014)
      Pittsburgh Steelers (2015)*
      Winnipeg Blue Bombers (2015)*
      Montreal Alouettes (2016)*

      • chitownproud85

        I’m going to go with Mr. 95% of all QB draft picks ever.

  • King of DBB
    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Right now the Biggs, Haugh crowd will urge Pace to pick a QB at #3 even if it is a huge reach. Because if not now, then when?

      And when the pick does not work out, they will be ready to rip him to shreds and call for his head.

      Picked bust QB at #3 over this, this, and this talent still on the board.

      It is a win-win for them. Clickbaits all the time.

      • King of DBB

        Agreed.

        Everyone is on this bandwagon, Biggsy, Haugh, Hub, the Score morons.

        All of them: DRAFT A QB!!!!!!!!!!!

        And the right answer is not to. Trub is not Luck. Watson isn’t even Teddy Bridgewater quality. We will pass on a guy like Adams or Thomas to take a 3rd round talent in Watson.

        Like you said, he’s Tajh Boyd all over again.

        • Big Mike

          All of these writers are idiots. But that doesn’t make taking a QB wrong. I don’t love it. But I said earlier if Pace takes a QB, he knows he’s making a career bet. This QB needs to be good, late this year/next year. Pace has to know that the bar for a QB taken with the 3rd pick of the draft is higher than the lowest of every player we could have taken, every qb taken this year or next.

        • Irish Sweetness

          We don’t know who they are.

          We have the third pick and we may not have that luxury again for some time.

          Where stud QBs get picked is not a mystery. You roll the dice.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But that’s the NFL. You have to make the choices. No mulligans. That’s life.

        1. We need a stud QB.
        2. We have the 3 pick.
        3. Draft —– ——- at QB.
        4. Wait two years.

        It’s not Bernoulli’s theorem.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          LOL. You forgot the most important part at your #3.

          3. Draft —– ——- at QB worth pick #3.

          Otherwise, you end up like Jaguars (Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles), Vikings (Christian Ponder, Teddy Bridgewater heading towards JAG status even before injury), Bills (EJ Manuel).

          Picking a QB high just because you need one is pretty dumb strategy if you remove the most important ‘does he deserve to be picked this high?’ part.

          • Irish Sweetness

            In case it hadn’t been obvious, I have DeShaun Watson in that box.

            Who Pace has, I don’t know – it’s his decision, but QB cannot be far from his mind. Probably Watson over Trubisky.

            He may screw the pooch and draft his QB later on.

            If that was Beathard, then that’s interesting, maybe as much so as Watson.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            If Pace is as smart as I think he is, he is not going to gamble his career on Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes, Kizer at #3. None of these guys offer enough reward to gamble one’s entire career. If I can see that, then I am sure Pace can see that. He does this for a living after all.

            If he is able to trade down (highly unlikely), he may pick a qb later in first round.

            I am pretty sure he ain’t picking a QB at #3.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I don’t think Pace gives a fuck about the hacks.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          Never said that he did.

    • CanadaBear

      My favorite quote is at the end, “One thing I’ve consistently heard is Pace is driving to fix the quarterback situation. Believe it. He can’t go through three years after riding out two seasons with Cutler and have his only big swing at a quarterback be Glennon.”

      Makes sense to me.

      • Big Mike

        Doesn’t mean it has to be the the first round. He can afford to wait. He’s building QB capital with Glennon. One of the top 5 QBs will be there in the 2nd round for the Bears if they want him. If there is a run on QBs great. There will be an exceptional player at a position of need. He’s got options.

        If he feels strongly about Watson, Trubinksy or one of these guys and takes him. That’s good too. Just about every scenario can be justified except taking a OT, guy with injury issues, a RB, in ILB etc. Safety, CB, DE, OLB, QB all could be the right pick. My dream scenario is he somehow trades down inside the top 10 and picks up a later round 1 pick.

        • CanadaBear

          Fair enough but if his guy is there at 3 … I really don’t care who they take as long as they don’t suck. I’m hoping the QB situation gets resolved this year and I’m totally happy with Glennon if he plays well.

          • Big Mike

            The real debate centers around how much of a “premium” does the QB position get. You wouldn’t take a DE at 3 if he was rated as the 20th best overall player in the draft. Or even the 10th best overall player in the draft. Would you take a QB at 3 who is the 10th best player on your board… I think you might.

          • CanadaBear

            Oh yeah. People act like it’s just another position. Uh, no. Do you think Glennon will pan out?

          • Big Mike

            I think he has more upside than most fans. He had a rough deal in TB. (Lovie Smith sucks at grooming QBs). Telling a young QB to go out there and don’t fuck things up, really isn’t what a new QB needs to hear. I love that he had that starting experience, then sat for a couple of years to get seasoned. Why is that good for a QB you just drafted, but for a guy who ended up behind the top pick in the draft, its a bad thing. The odds of him being “great” are stacked against him. Free Agent QBs rarely if ever have that kind of success with their new team. But this is a new era, his circumstances are different. The Bears are strong in the middle of their OL, they’ve got a nice running game. Hopefully the defense can keep getting better (CB/safety)

          • Irish Sweetness

            5-13.

            Wish him well, all of that.

            But we start from there.

          • CanadaBear

            Starter for a shitty team and then he gets sent to the bench due to the top pick of the draft taking his place. Lovie was the HC. Lots of reasons for the so-so record and benching. Not going to hold the team W/L record against him. Same with Orton as a rookie. He fell into a great situation and his W/L record that year was 10-5 (I believe). Orton was awful that year but the team was really talented.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He didn’t shit the bed though. It was almost the dawn of the term, game-manager.

          • CanadaBear

            No but he really was awful. 9 TD’s, 13 picks, 30 sacks, 12 fumbles and a QB rating of 59.7 for the season.

          • Big Mike

            Neither did glennon. You could argue he had more to do with TB’s 5 wins then Orton did with the Bears 10 wins.

          • Big Mike

            Two words

            1) Lovie

            2) Smith

          • CanadaBear

            That’s kinda where I’m at with Glennon. Don’t think he will be elite but does have a good chance of being decent.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s a positional bias in a free market.

            QBs are by far the most important players. Just because opinion says this bunch aren’t stellar doesn’t drop their stock by much. They’re QBs.

            You want one of the top two or not?

          • Big Mike

            Irish, I really don’t know. When I watched college football last year, I felt bad for the defenses going up against Watson. He had “it”. He elevated his team. One of the greatest coaches and teams of the last 10 years, couldn’t beat him last year and the year before gave up 40 pts, both time with stopping him as their #1 goal. But then you read the papers and he’s not fit for the NFL. Then you read about Trubinsky and he’s the most NFL ready and so on and so forth. The kid from ND, also has the tools, but couldn’t elevate his team. (if he slips to round 2, I’d be all over drafting Kizer).

            Personally, I’m playing it safe. I’m taking the best player on my board. I think that is Garret, (gone), Thomas, (likely gone) or one of Lattimore/Hooker/Adams. The first two have injury issues. But the more I think about Lattimore, the less I’m concerned about his issue. Hooker.. scares me. But that’s the guy I’d really want if I knew he was 100%.

          • CanadaBear

            Doesn’t Lattimore’s hamstring issues concern you? The guy sounds like he’s lights out other than that but hamstrings are a fucker for sure. Do you have any experience with people who overcame those issues? To me, it seems like people that have those issues are always dealing with them.

          • Big Mike

            It wasn’t a hamstring, it was his hip flexor. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/marshon-lattimore-clarifies-nfl-combine-injury-wasnt-a-hamstring-its-a-hip-flexor . But he had hamstring injury his freshman year, what I read was that he had to clean up something that had bothered him since high school.

            You just don’t know. That’s why Adams is the safe pick.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly. I hope Glennon copes so well that Watson, or whoever, will be there in year two with no sniff of a start.

            Injuries to the starter normally resolve those controversies.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Exactly. He didn’t stroll all cock-a-hoop into Don Ginnie’s boudoir and flash his hands at her “Mike. Glennon.”

        TA-DAA!

        Nope.

        “We’ll sign Mike to steer the ship, Mark as backup, and then I’ll draft either DeShaun or Mitchell. Let them sit for a year and learn the offense.”

        Maybe.

        • Big Mike

          Spoken with certainty, and the qualified with “maybe”, like all draft scenarios should be at this time of year.

  • Big Mike

    Peter King’s mock. Good article, realistic expectations (he starts by saying all mocks are wrong this year, even more so than in other years..)
    https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/24/nfl-mock-draft-peter-king-qb-first-round-trades

    • MB30SD

      usually FUCK peter “Cuck” king… but I like his mock

      • King of DBB

        Fun fact: Peter and Biggsy share techniques for removing mustard from Izod shirts.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          Does Izod even make shirts Biggsy’s size? He is growing out of his clothes every year.

          • CanadaBear

            I looked at Amazon and they only go up to 2 X’s. That won’t get it done for Biggsy!

    • King of DBB

      That’s because of the wild disparity in scout teams ratings on the Qbs and some of the key players.

      It also helps fuck up drafts when guys like Malik Hooker get arrested for Ray Ricin their ho-bags just before draft day.

  • leftcoast dave

    Good article here recapping the last many weeks and prognosticating on the draft. I think he is on target.

    http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/4/25/15416180/10-thoughts-2017-nfl-draft-mitchell-trubisky-chicago-bears-myles-garrett-deshaun-watson-quarterbacks

    • SC Dave

      “Remember: anonymous sources have nothing to lose by lying.”

      Can’t argue with that. Although I can argue with ‘conciliation’ prizes rather than ‘consolation’.

  • MB30SD

    oooohhh weeeeellll heeeerrooooooooooo

    http://uncrate.com/video/kingsman-the-golden-circle/

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
    • King of DBB

      It’s all about who will have you.

      Plus the branches on trees down there are moist, they flex and whipsaw real good.

    • CanadaBear

      Might help them balance the O but you know Brees will be chucking it.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    LOL. this is just stupid trash talk. Its not in your hands, bud. Teams have set the boards. You are not going to make them change by issuing vague threats. Kizer, Watson..these kids just run their mouth.

    Deshaun Watson: Pick Mitchell Trubisky over me and live with the consequences

    Watson was on NFL Network Tuesday and shared his message for any team that might opt for Trubisky over him.

    “You’re gonna have to live with the consequences that come with it. That’s how I see it,” Watson said. “I try to stay in my lane. I try not to take the path. I respect Mitch and what he’s done and all the hype he’s getting, but at the same time, my result speaks for itself. I feel like I’ve accomplished everything that I could. I guess if that’s who they’re gonna roll with, so be it.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/deshaun-watson-pick-mitchell-trubisky-over-me-and-live-with-the-consequences/

    • King of DBB

      That’s nothing, Deshone Kizer trucked in a slab of stone to South Bend and started sculpting his own statue.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    John Lynch: “We brought in Hoyer and Barkley for a reason.” Ha!


    Would you consider taking a quarterback at two?

    “Yeah. I think we’ve stated from the beginning that a franchise quarterback is something we believe is essential to winning in this league. We hope that [QB Brian] Hoyer and [QB Matt] Barkley come in, and they were both brought in for a reason, but we feel like we’ll continue, always continue, to try to improve ourselves at that position. And so, I think the answer is yes.”

    And literally minutes before this he keeps talking about trading down, “But, I’ve been very transparent from the beginning that we’ll listen. I think that will always be the case and it certainly is. We’re going to listen right up until draft day, but otherwise we’re going to pick a player at two that we feel is a cornerstone for this franchise for years to come and we’ll be very passionate about that pick and what that player can do for us moving forward.”

    http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/4/24/15415468/john-lynch-pre-draft-press-conference-transcript-49ers-gm

  • Sahr Gborie

    Deshaun Watson: Pick Mitchell Trubisky over me and live with the consequences
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/deshaun-watson-pick-mitchell-trubisky-over-me-and-live-with-the-consequences/

    “You’re gonna have to live with the consequences that come with it. That’s how I see it,” Watson said. “I try to stay in my lane. I try not to take the path. I respect Mitch and what he’s done and all the hype he’s getting, but at the same time, my result speaks for itself. I feel like I’ve accomplished everything that I could. I guess if that’s who they’re gonna roll with, so be it.”

    Translation: I played in the National Championship game the last two years against NFL quality Defenses and performed excellent in both games!!!

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    This is Pace’s dream trade down scenario. Browns need to be patient and bet that SF is not going to pick Trubisky and no one is going to jump to 2 to pick Trubisky. Then jump before Jags and trade with Bears to pick Trubisky.

    Greg Gabriel‏ @greggabe 31m31 minutes ago
    If your looking for who SF really wants, look no further than a certain Big RB from Bayou country

    Greg Gabriel‏ @greggabe 11m11 minutes ago
    Jax is looking to take a QB at 4, don’t know what high one

  • willbest

    There seems to be an unintended consequence to this whole youtube/facebook live thing

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39706205

    • This will become more common. Eventually FB live will be censored or filtered somehow because once more when humans are given freedom they twist it for base selfish ends.

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