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Midseason Marks: Defense

| November 1st, 2017

The DBB team is evaluating the entire organization at this well-placed, exactly midseason bye week. The catch? Each of us is limited to ONE SENTENCE for each position group. Today we move on to the defense.


Defensive Line

Jeff: Impossible to say a negative word about this group, with Goldman arguably the league’s best run-stuffing interior lineman and Hicks mounting a serious campaign for Defensive Player of the Year.

Andrew: Hicks and Goldman are studs, Unrein is solid and Bullard and Robertson-Harris have both shown flashes.

Data: Akiem Hicks and Eddie Goldman might be the best interior DL combo in the NFL.

DBB Grade: A


Inside Linebackers

Jeff: This was the position of greatest depth on the roster and that depth has been severely tested through eight games. Christian Jones has looked like a new player in the absence of Freeman, Kwik and Timu. (Yea that’s two sentences but it’s my blog so go away.)

Andrew: Danny Trevathan is having a career year and young inside backers also making an impact.

Data: Chicago has gotten a surprisingly high level of play out of this group considering they’ve had to rotate through 5 different bodies here due to injuries and suspensions.

DBB Grade: A-


Outside Linebackers

Jeff: Bears ask their outside backers to do a lot, including extensive coverage duties, but this group will always be judged by their ability to get to the quarterback and they’re getting there to the tune of 11 sacks.

Andrew: After a slow start, Lenny Floyd has become a stud and McPhee has been productive with four sacks.

Data: Leonard Floyd is finally waking up and Pernell McPhee has surprised with his effectiveness in short spurts but will we see more of Isaiah Irving in the 2nd half?

DBB Grade: B


Corners

Jeff: This has been the most pleasantly surprising group on the roster, headlined by a borderline All-Pro campaign from Kyle Fuller and steady work on the other side by Prince Amukamara (when he’s been healthy).

Andrew: Kyle Fuller and Prince Amukamara are showing why they were first round picks, while Marcus Cooper and Bryce Callahan have both given the team solid contributions.

Data: I said throughout the off-season that Kyle Fuller was the best CB on Chicago’s roster, but I never expected this level of play out of him.

DBB Grade: A-


Safeties

Jeff: Eddie Jackson and Adrian Amos may be the second coming of Mike Brown and Tony Parrish as they’ve shown flashes of stabilizing what has been an unstable positions for the Bears in recent memory.

Andrew: Eddie Jackson has a lot of range and ball skills that have, apparently rubbed off on Adrian Amos, who won’t be giving his job back to Quintin Demps.

Data: Eddie Jackson has fixed both safety positions for the Bears by allowing Adrian Amos to play to his strengths next to a true center fielder.

DBB Grade: B+


Coaching

Jeff: John Fox, Vic Fangio and secondary coach Ed Donatell are finally coaching players up, which is something I’ve been desperate to see since they arrived.

Andrew: Vic Fangio is dialing up the right game plans but that isn’t hard to do with the players he has.

Data: The coaches have the defense playing with an attitude and looking to make plays instead of just avoid giving them up.

DBB Grade: A-

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  • Bear Instincts

    First step to a great defense: pay hicks. Hopefully they maintain this level of play and get better. Solid A across the board for the entire defense.

    As a unit they are playing faster because they understand their assignments better so they are thinking less and simply reacting to what’s happening in front if them.

    Fangio has done a great job. Hopefully Pace gives him an extension because any disruption to the chemistry of this unit will be a serious setback for Da Bears

    • SC Dave

      It would be interesting to see if Fangio stays if Fox leaves. I want him at DC for the foreseeable future.

      Regarding his, we did pay Hicks, which was the best front office (read Teddy) decision in a while. The man has definitely helped bring the fire back tot he defense.

      When Akeem came to Chicago, he said he was excited about the opportunity. In a world where pablum for the sake of media sounds bites and twats abounds, I think he actually meant it. Prescient if so.

      Jeff said it in a couple of post already – this defense is good enough to win championships. We just need Mitch to progress (soon) and a kicker that makes field goals.

      • DaBearsBlog

        And wide receivers. And an offensive system from the modern era.

        • Bears-4-Ever

          Won’t happen unless Fox is out the freakin door!

          • Bear Instincts

            This

        • SC Dave

          WRs are a given.

          I posted my “analysis” of the Saints game offense yesterday. The variety of play calling is much better than people let on. Execution failure is as big, or bigger, a problem as play calling.

        • BearDown100393

          Kevin White was drafted by Pace. And a figurative and literal bust. Now the process has to be repeated at the expense of plugging another positional deficiency. Not implying that all teams do not have deficiencies or evaluation misjudgments, but free agent signings and the draft (so far) along with the loss of Alshon Jeffery have not benefited the Bears under Pace.

    • Irish Sweetness

      And pay Fuller … can we do that?

  • SC Dave

    “The coaches have the defense playing with an attitude and looking to make plays instead of just avoid giving them up.”

    My favorite sentence of this article, and what I was talking about in the last thread about giving Fox a pass. The offense plays with some level of attitude also. They just need a lot more skill.

    • You can really see that change in attitude over the last 3 weeks. The first 4-5 games didn’t have it, the D was just playing safe, solid football to avoid giving up big points.

      Now they’re doing that AND making big plays. That’s how a good defense turns into a great one.

      • SC Dave

        Hicks, however, has had it all along.

        It’s easier to get pumped when you’re making plays, so its a self-reinforcing cycle. Ideally, anyway.

        • BearDown100393

          Hicks is a dominant leader of that group.

    • Bear Instincts

      Give Fox a pass?!? Halloween was yesterday. Time for fun and games is over. Fox is not the guy to give us a modern offense. He is a nice guy but he is not the one. He has served his purpose. Time to move on.

      The only and I mean the only way I would even consider Fox staying is if:
      New OC who was also assistant HC
      OC has control over the offense without input from Fox
      OC calls all the plays

      • SC Dave

        Go review the play calling last week. You might learn something, instead of merely parroting a narrative.

        As anticipated by people that think about it, the playbook gets opened a little more each week, as the staff deems MT and all the replacement parts at WR and (it seems now also) the oline ready to handle it.

        Unfortunately, we may see some regression with Miller gone. I hope not, but he was our best route-runner and ball-catcher at the TE position.

        • BearDown100393

          The pass game is severely crippled with the loss of Miller.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    I agree with the grading system but keep in mind even the best defenses need a solid, driving offense to make some first downs at the very least to give the defensive unit time to catch a breath. You can have the best defense in the world, but if they are on the field for 75% of the game they are going to break and fail, it happens all the time. Defense indeed wins championships, but your offense has to put points on the board and run the clock down with methodical drives down the field. We need some work in that category and New coaches on that side of the ball for this Defense to really dominate.

    • SC Dave

      I disagree on the new coaches thing. We need more skill. Hopefully we’ll see that from MT more and more as the season progresses.

      The WRs are pretty hopeless, although somehow McBride got *wide open* (like 5 yards from the nearest defender) three times last Sunday. Expect DCs to take notice and clear that up in a hurry.

      I hope also to see improvement by Cohen in route running – experience should help there.

      • madscout12

        More skill is warranted. But I’m not convinced on Loggains. We need someone who will bring some common sense to the O. I love me some Biscuit, but on 3rd and 1 (and 4th and 1) you run the football. If you have a QB that runs shotgun well, you run and pass out of the shotgun. 8-9 man boxes? Mix in some quick short passes and screens on 1st and 2nd down.

        • SC Dave

          I’m not convinced, either direction.

  • CanadaBear

    Good stuff! I”m expecting the O to improve after the bye. Between two more weeks of practice, integrating Inman into the routes and some healing up, I think MT/Loggains will take a step. Hopefully with Miller down they will throw Shaheen into the deep end and see if he can swim a little.

    • Bear Instincts

      They still play under the shadow of Fox. But we can hope

    • SC Dave

      There you go. Patience is needed with the entire unit, not just Trubisky.

      Just wait until Cohen really learns to run his routes.

      And yes, damn it would be nice if Shaheen turned into something. But someone posted months ago (maybe Big Mike?) that TEs typically take longer to get good in the NFL than wideouts. So patience again.

      • CanadaBear

        I read a piece about Shaheen’s usage and it’s been mostly in 3 TE sets where he is blocking. Glad he’s getting better at blocking but it’s time to see if he can help out downfield.

        • SC Dave

          In a sense, Loggains’ hand has been forced again with Miller going out. Reputation and draft hype would have us believe that Shaheen is now our best “hands” guy at TE.

          • CanadaBear

            Definitely Foxy’s MO to play vets over rookies but now that Miller is out, time to find out what he’s got. I can live with some mistakes but let’s develop these guys now!

        • George Hotchkiss

          Shaheen is a HIGH draft pick, and a promising player, how many years does it take a highly drafted position player to be a regular significant contributor? I see rookie TEs on other teams contributing right away. Now with the inevitable Miller, DQ for the season, Shaheen needs to show if there is “promise” at all..You can’t pay the bills with just “promise” though. I will give Bears fans one piece of advice, believe it when you see it!

          • willbest

            He came from a hick school right? I wouldn’t expect anything out of him until next year.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            TE is a position that usually takes 2-3 years to catch their strides. With the ineptitude of play calling and the decision to have Simms in their to catch passes is on the coaches. Shaheens blocking at the beginning of the year was pretty suspect, he has cleaned that up significantly, especially downfield blocking, he has laid some wood on several occasions. With the ineptitude of the offense it is actually hard to evaluate a rookie TE in passing downs, since Miller has been in on those downs.

          • SC Dave

            They have thrown the ball Shaheen’s way a couple of times, but not enough. They went to him on 3rd and goal Sunday, the ball was slightly behind him (away from the coverage) but also away from the receiver – like 7 feet over his head.

        • DaCoaches Mustache

          Shaheen looks mildly retarded.

    • BearDown100393

      Inman should have suited up. Even without knowing Birdcage’s “system”, he is by default the #1 receiver on the team.

  • BearDown100393

    Full credit to Fangio and his players. Hobo is just a passenger on the freight train.

    • Bear Instincts

      choo!!! choo!!!

    • I don’t buy that. Fox is now 3/3 in building quality defenses.

      • CanadaBear

        I hate to give Foxy any credit but you make a good point. Now that offense …

        • SC Dave

          … has too few players, Canada. The skill deficit throughout the offense is apparent. The line has regressed (Whitehair and particularly Long), the WRs are crap, the QB is below average (at the moment), and TEs are not playing well.

          The biggest thing is Mitch. The play book opens up a bit more each game, as he and all the non-starters now in the line-up learn how to play in the NFL.

          There are no coordinators in the league that could make a juggernaut out of those pieces right now. None.

          • CanadaBear

            I totally agree but they have to take the shackles off. I hate seeing Howard pummeled on every run.

          • Scharfinator

            Yup, I echo that and Andrew’s sentiment about not destroying our backs before the rest of the O can help.

          • willbest

            I want howard to live to get his first real contract. Dude is playing like a $6 mil a year back for $600k. It ain’t right.

          • SC Dave

            Believe me you three, I’m definitely on the “preserve Howard” wagon. I selected this avatar last year for a reason.

            It’s another way that our WRs are hampering us – not to go overboard with Donte love (someone else has that covered), he seemed like the only WR that can block. And when you’re trying to run wide, it *really* helps to have someone that can reliably at least effectively get in the way of his CB.

      • SC Dave

        It’s amazing how myopic the Fox hate is.

        • Bear Instincts

          Fox does not get a pass on offense. Lovie built a great defense but his offense was trash. Plus he was fired after a 10 win season. Injuries and lack of players aside Fox needs to go.

          • SC Dave

            Perhaps you should replace instinct with thought now and then? It’s what supposedly elevates mankind.

          • willbest

            Lovie had Harris, Brown, Tillman, Urlacher, Briggs. Which 5 players on the current roster are you matching up to them?

          • BearDown100393

            Who is responsible for restocking the team?

          • willbest

            My point was Lovie isn’t the defensive genius people think he is because he had a team of studs to execute the Lovie 2. This team is playing at a top 10 level without that level of talent. Hicks is a beast, but Trevathan isn’t Urlacher, Jackson isn’t Brown, Fuller isn’t Tillman, etc.

            Vic is getting more out of less. He is putting them in positions to succeed and they are executing what he is asking them to.

          • BearDown100393

            If the league recognizes DCOY, it belongs to Fangio. If the league does not, it should.

      • Bear Instincts

        How’s that offense working out out for you?

        • This wasn’t about the offense, it was about the defense, and Fox is more than just a passenger there. I agree Fox needs to go.

          When Fox was hired, I said Bears would never win the division or Super Bowl with him, but his job was to establish a foundation so the next guy can come in and win.

          Mission accomplished. Now it’s time to find the next guy.

          • WP4Life

            I don’t care if Fox stays or goes. Curious why you think he needs to go?

          • Corn Pop Janitor

            His intensity isn’t for everybody. It wasn’t for John Fox, who did many things well after Elway hired him as coach in 2011, including winning 46 games in four years. Elway’s doubts began after Fox turned conservative on offense and his defense blew coverage in a January 2013 playoff collapse against the Ravens. The next year at the Super Bowl, after a week of disorganized practices, Elway had a bad feeling. The morning of the game, he woke up at 3 a.m. in a dull panic in a dark New Jersey hotel room. He knew his team wasn’t good enough. He wasn’t good enough. His friends say the offseason after Denver’s Super Bowl XLVIII loss to Seattle was as miserable as any in Elway’s life. It harkened back to being humiliated as a player who had lost three Super Bowls. Elway gets quiet when he’s in a bad mood, orders another drink, turns inward, blames himself, jokes in a nonjoking way about jumping off a building. “When you get older, you feel like you’re getting smarter,” he says in his office. “You should be better. You should know more.”

            A rising lack of discipline under Fox prompted Elway to sometimes yell at the team because Fox wouldn’t. Before a late-season practice in 2014, Fox turned to a few people on the sideline and asked, “Isn’t winning the division enough?” A few weeks later, after the Broncos came out flat in a divisional playoff loss to the Colts, Fox got his answer.

            That’s Why.

            http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterprise-Elway160907/denver-broncos-gm-john-elway-drive-never-end

          • WP4Life

            So we are looking for more discipline, less of a player coach…

            I personally like Harbaugh, but I don’t know if he can build a high end NFL offense. And his intensity might be too much over a 3 -4 year span.

            So balance: disciplined and smart

          • SC Dave

            While I have no real idea, it seems plausible to me that the real problems with discipline are not necessarily “how much” discipline a coach applies, but “how consistently” it is applied.

            The rules have to apply to all players evenly, I imagine.

          • CanadaBear

            No matter the coach, if you’re great enough there is some leeway. As long as the HC isn’t a milquetoast panty waist like Nessman, respect is earned by being smart at your job. If the HC is innovative and knows his shit, the players figure it out pretty quickly. McVay comes to mind. Fuck he’s 31 years old and his players respect the hell out of him at 6-2. Doesn’t hurt having Wade Phillips in the bldg.

          • BearDown100393

            Watch the “offense”.

          • Because he’s currently actively sabotaging the offense, and he provides zero in-game advantage with anything he does (scheme, clock management, properly balancing aggression and safe play, any variety of decisions a coach is responsible for during the game).

            He’s a good team manager, but I want somebody who can actually provide an in-game advantage. That’s important to push a championship-caliber team over the top.

          • WP4Life

            I completely see what you are saying and agree – thanks for sharing your insight. As long as I have been watching the Bears I don’t we ever have had that type of a coach, I might be mistaken, but I don’t recall anyone like that.

          • Fox to me is basically another Lovie (which I said when he was hired).

            I got the hire at the time. They were a disaster on and off the field, and needed somebody who could instill order in the locker room. Plus Fox had the track record of building solid teams out of junk in both Carolina and Denver.

            Fox was a safe, solid double of a hire. You knew you weren’t striking out, but you also knew it was not leaving the park for a home run. A classic high floor, low ceiling move.

            Now it’s time to swing for the fences.

          • CanadaBear

            Isn’t that a sad statement. I’ve been watching The Beloved for 55+ years and I don’t recall a HC like that.

      • BearDown100393

        To each his own. Fangio is not just an ordinary DC. And Hobo is not what he once was in Carolina or even perhaps Denver.

  • Bear Instincts
    • BearDown100393

      Cue Giraffe.

  • 505Bears

    Offense needs to do something out of the bye, or these ratings will go way down. Spending too much time on the field means they will get tired, frustrated, and have the potential for more injuries. Help out the D, O!!

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    keep Fangio and his coaches, fire everyone else ST coach, OLine coach, WR coach, OC, HC, TE coach, RB coach. The Offense and ST have been horrid. While they are at it fire the training staff also.

    • Bear Instincts

      training staff

    • beninnorcal

      Completely agree. How can we hire a new HC but keep Vic? Thats what I wanna know

      • SC Dave

        Get the D players to write a letter to ownership.

        It worked before.

        • Irish Sweetness

          You think any of those guys loves Fangio?

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Yes. They have the 8th best defense in the world without having any offense. So yes. I answer yes.

    • BearDown100393

      In my perfect world, Pace hires a credible head coach worthy and wise enough to select his own coordinators and round out his own staff. No consultants. No pre-existent holdovers demanded by management. Complete autonomy based upon merit. If the new HC wants Fangio, great. If the new HC wants someone else and can build upon the defense even more, great. But I want this era of ass backward hiring and management demand holdovers to end at Halas.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    Actress Olvia Munn says Director Brett Ratner chased her around while whacking it with one hand and eating shrimp cocktail with the other.

    Who needs the walk and chew gum test?

    Aaron told him to knock it off and Ratner was afraid Rodgers would beat his ass, so he stopped.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      “beat” his ass, I think he used the wrong word.

      • beninnorcal

        ‘Spank’ would’ve been more appropriate knowing Erin.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          i was thinking ‘pound’ or ‘fuck’ or ‘caress’

          • beninnorcal

            Erin would probably threaten to toss that guy’s salad

    • SC Dave

      “knock it off” was a curious phrase to use there.

    • willbest

      Make Hollywood Great Again. I have little doubt if lizard queen had been elected that these starlets would fall in line much the way blacks did for the first 6 years of Obama. I do find it amusing that the daily outing of a degenerate in the entertainment industry (which includes “news” btw) has become a thing.

      • SC Dave

        Draining the wrong swamp?

        • willbest

          That presumes that they aren’t all connected.

          • SC Dave

            True. Water seeks its own level.

  • Corn Pop Janitor
    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      this is how that went down.
      Woman, who is a Bears fan, was going on and on about the greatness of MT.
      Guy, lets call him Dave, was getting annoyed by the knob slobbering she was giving MT. “Dave” looked at her and said “Shut up or I will give you a knob to actually slobber on.”
      Now you know the rest of the story.

      • SC Dave

        The part of that story least believable is that I could pass for 28.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          I just figured it was a thing for anyone named Dave. A friend of mine, also named Dave, went on a similar rant about MT, unfortunately he did not use the “knob slobbering” term.

    • Malice Halice

      I need to fly more.

      • CanadaBear

        A LOT more!

    • willbest

      I am unsurprised to find out that the woman was 20 years older than the male. Incidentally, I don’t know how you manage to do this on airplanes anymore. Prior to the the 2008 crash you could be on a half full plane with nobody sitting in the row across from you. These days they have gotten impressively good at overselling every flight.

    • CanadaBear

      If United wants to improve customer service they should look into this. Knowing United they could still fuck that up.

  • Malice Halice

    How did Dowell Loggains get hired in the first place? Quarterback coach for da browns n Titans with a yr of OC in Tennessee. His numbers r HUFF as hell! Let alone offer him da OC position after Gase left, he should’ve stayed as the qb coach. Hopefully he’ll get demoted back to Qb coach or escorted out da door. Fangio got decent numbers but the birdcage ain’t appeasing at all! Sorry fellas I know this blog was about da D.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    I saw a poll today that most Americans fear the nation is coming apart at the seams.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stress-in-america-future-of-country_us_59f89e0ee4b0d1cf6e90a9cd

    Somebody needs to sit these HuffPo snowflakes down and show them a documentary about 1968.

    In 1968 alone, 20,000 Americans were either arrested or killed in civil unrest inside the nation. After Westmoreland was discharged from high command in Vietnam, he oversaw the installation of US Marines coming back from the war in garrisons in Detroit, Baltimore and other cities. U.S. Marines with tanks sat on the streets of major US cities.

    MLK gets shot and then months later when Sirhan Sirhan kills Bobby Kennedy, there was open warfare on some streets.

    • It’s all part of the plan

      If you were from out of space and you came down and just read our media and the daily outrage you’d think we were lining up gays, blacks and Hispanics and having them shot in the streets by underpaid women.

      • willbest

        You mean like this?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZvVsGGY-U

        Which was the funniest thing I saw yesterday morning. Ad was pulled in the afternoon for obvious reasons.

        • SC Dave

          I love that subtitle…

          “imagine a group called White Victory Fund”

        • evantonio

          not defending that ad, but Gillepsie acting all butthurt is pretty comical seeing how his own ads seek to equate Northam with m-13 killing and raping virginians. (http://wapo.st/2huo39W)

          • willbest

            Northam supports policies that make it easier for Central and South American gangs to operate inside the US. You can quibble about what that means for law abiding Hispanics, but there isn’t any denying that is the result of what the candidate believes. And you feel that is on a comparable level with Whites being allowed to run over minority children for sport if Gillepsie is elected. What policies of Gillepsie would make this something that more likely to occur?

            Incidentally, I love that this ad was made. So I will defend it. I just can’t believe it was made by a group with such an overtly racist name or that it was done with the intent to support Northam. Like honestly this has to be a pro-Gillepsie group in disguise.

          • evantonio

            I don’t know enough about Gillepsie (or Northam) to defend either party, or answer the question about running children over. To me it was a hyperbolic representation of minorities having to run and hide if G is governor, but I’d presume I’m not the target audience for that ad.

    • willbest

      Back then the two sides lived around each other. Now they don’t. I am pretty sure you were the one discussing with Butch how people’s social networks no longer overlap.

      I might also point out that violence as a whole is down since then. Couple that with people not doing well with relative differences in crime. We are going through a rather low crime period in our country. People are accustomed to it, so when we have seen an uptick in violence the last 2-3 years its makes people nervous even if it was twice as high 25 years ago.

  • evantonio
    • willbest

      ODBesque. That ball was horribly thrown.

  • BerwynBomber
    • willbest

      A move that baffles me if I were Brian Hoyer.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        why? NE needed a backup, he became their backup.

        • willbest

          Nearly every NFL contract has offsetting language. If the 9ers cut him, they owe him the remainder of his 2017 salary.

          Hoyer’s resume is long enough that his 2018 employment isn’t going to be contingent on anything he does in NE for the rest of this season.

          So my question is, what is to be gained by going to NE? Whatever NE pays him, SF doesn’t have to. So unless NE is going to pay him more than what SF owes him there isn’t any new money.

          So why would you risk your health when you don’t have to if it doesn’t net you anything?

          • Scharfinator

            Cuz Hoyer still wants a SB ring! Even on the bench.

          • willbest

            I guess NE looks a lot better than they did at 2-2. But I would rather go sit on the Eagles bench.

          • Scharfinator

            True, though the Eagles may not have been calling.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Losing Hightower has to have a negative effect in the long run.

          • willbest

            I had a thought. CA has a draconian tax system and Hoyer would be paying 10%+ on his income from the 9ers. If his income comes from the Pats would only be about 5.1%. So the “new” money comes in the form of saving tens of thousands of dollars he has to pay to CA. Add Scharfinator’s point about the ring, and it makes sense.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Plus CA has the “Sports and Entertainers” Tax. A lot of states have the same type of tax but theirs is higher than most.

        • AlbertInTucson

          He’s been there before and knows the system.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Not me. NE is a nice spot right now for a backup. They have none, and their starter is old as balls. He’s thinking long term gig there. My .02.

    • Corn Pop Janitor

      It was the Pats last chance to get something for Garrafalo.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Don’t watch this video. It’s pure insanity and will aggravate you more.”

    Frankly, I don’t know why we are still obsessing over this. Even if the call had not been overturned we still would have lost by four.

    I honestly thought the ball was loose and hit the ground the moment Miller’s forearm first hit the ground. My only criticism of a call like this is the “indisputable evidence” portion of the rule. But that goes way beyond the Miller overturn and happens frequently.

    • evantonio

      would you rather the last catch of Miller’s career be an amazing TD, or an incomplete pass?

      i prefer the former.

      much like i’d prefer johnny knox didn’t fumble away the ball on the last play of his career. of course, if he didn’t fumble it wouldn’t be the last play of his career, but you know what i’m saying.

      • Scharfinator

        That being the last play of his career should certainly not influence the call on the field, don’t you agree? Refs are *supposed* to be impartial.

        • evantonio

          it shouldn’t. i agree. but you asked, “why are we still obsessing over this?”

          and since we haven’t seen definitive evidence that he didn’t maintain the catch all the way through, it’s fair to harp on the raw deal he’s ending his career on.

          • Scharfinator

            I didn’t ask that. Berwyn asked that.

        • AlbertInTucson

          The call on the field was “Touchdown”.

          Reviewing plays under a microscope is ridiculous.

          • Scharfinator

            Not my point. My point is that we shouldn’t influence catch call on an injury that occurs on the play.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Certainly not but they’ve bastardized the replay concept into something it shouldn’t be.

    • willbest

      There is no angle where you can see that though, and the only angle we had showed his arm under the ball. And then he rolls onto his back and the ball comes to a stop on his chest. And then he places it on the ground as the shock overtakes his body.

      • BerwynBomber

        Watch as he first goes down. His grip on the ball isn’t that strong. The ball hits the ground and ever so slightly moves an instant before his forearm hits. Obviously all within a matter of nanoseconds.

        Live real-time I thought it was a catch. The moment they showed the first replay I thought uh-oh.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I have said this before.

          While I endorse the basic concept of Replay, it has been bastardized by the NFL and colleges alike.

          It should only be able to look at plays in real time and if you can’t see an obvious gaffe in real time, and within 30 seconds, MOVE ON!

          Reviewing plays like you are looking for atoms with an electron microscope is idiotic.

          It’s a football play, not a search for the cure for cancer.

    • Would they have lost by 4? It’s impossible to say, because the entire 4th quarter was changed because of it.

      When the Bears scored to get to 17-12, that would have been 17-16, and then they would have kicked the extra point to tie. Would they have made it? Probably, but we don’t know for sure. Would they have even gotten that TD? I have no idea, they opened the offense up there much more than they might have only down 1 score instead of 2.

      Let’s assume we have a tie game there with 4 minutes left.

      NO got the ball back and went 54 yards on 4 plays before Mark Ingram fumbled and the Bears got it back. Does that still happen? Are they still handing off instead of throwing to try and score? Who knows. NO offensive strategy is different if they’re tied late in the 4th quarter vs. trying to nurse a lead.

      But those last 3 NO points came from a 7 yard drive after Chicago turned it over on downs. We can safely say they don’t go for it on 4th down from their own side of the field if the game is tied. Maybe NO picks up points on a full drive instead; we don’t know. But that TD call had a big impact on how the 4th quarter would have played out.

      • BerwynBomber

        That is a tremendous amount of conjecture.

        Bottom line, this wasn’t a Fail Mary or Megatron continuation call, which handed teams highly tainted wins. Heck, it wasn’t even a Dez Bryant play which may have swung a lead change in the last few minutes of a game.

        The Miller replay did NOT have that much of an immediate impact on the result of the game.

        The Jets/Pats play earlier this year was much MORE influential on a game’s outcome than the Miller call. And a worse overturn, IMO.

        • No, my point is not that it cost the Bears a win. My point is simply to day it’s way too simple to say 4 point swing in 8 point loss doesn’t change anything.

  • willbest

    Packers were reportedly interested in Hoyer. I wonder if the fact they broke his arm had anything to do with him decided not to go there.

    Also he signed a 3 year deal. Presumably to convince him not to spend the next 2 months in a hot tub.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    The CIA released a report of OBL’s confiscated computers.

    After reviewing his surfing habits, Osama’s favorite Internet video (by a wide wide margin) was…

    wait for it…

    Charlie Bit My Finger.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlgSz8sSM

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    Hey Papa –

    Maybe the fucking pizza just sucks and people caught on. Maybe that’s it.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21250448/nfl-sponsor-papa-john-not-happy-anthem-protests

    • willbest

      So a country that went from 1 Papa Johns in 1984 to around 3500 of them today just realized this year that the Pizza wasn’t good?

      Look, its pretty simple. Papa John’s pays for the NFL. It pays to be a sponsor, it pays for commercials, it pays for endorsements. It does this because people that like the NFL buy their pizzas. And they have decided that by spending a part of your pizza purchase on the NFL they are able to make more money than if they didn’t do that.

      If their Sunday pizza sales are off, and they think it is because they are experience a soft boycott, or if their customers just aren’t watching the NFL anymore well that is a YUGE problem for the NFL. And it doesn’t matter if you think they are wrong, they are the NFL’s customer. And you don’t do well in life telling your customers they are wrong.

    • CanadaBear

      Never had it. How bad is it?

      • Corn Pop Janitor

        Step below Connie’s

        I’d rather have a Tombstone put it that way

        • CanadaBear

          ‘Nuff said! Tombstone, ugh.

      • willbest

        I think its the best of the bad chains

        • beninnorcal

          I agree with this, it’s the best low-tier pizza. I actually like it.

      • Malice Halice

        Papa Murphy is better

        • AlbertInTucson

          Had a Papa Murphy’s only once but it was quite tasty.

    • BuddhaJoe

      “Hey we’re almost as awful as Little Ceasers but twice the price!”

      • Cormonster

        Papa John’s is just barely edible the next day, so it’s definitely better than Little Ceasar’s, Domino’s, and Pizza Hut. Plus you get butter or ranch to dip the crust in.

  • willbest

    “Because people – yearly – fool themselves into thinking the things they
    see at open training camp practices & in preseason games has value.” – Jeff

    I would be remiss if I didn’t point out Trubisky looked solid in the preseason.

    • SC Dave

      ha ha ha,,, really

  • Corn Pop Janitor
    • CanadaBear

      I would have no issues signing him with the proviso that the contract is null and void if he gets suspended again.

  • Corn Pop Janitor

    The Camo Runback? Are you FKM?

    https://youtu.be/Fj8G9dGuNkU?t=225

  • Cormonster

    Not that anyone cares, but I watched my beloved Badgers play Lovie’s Illini on Saturday. A few observations:

    Lovie’s definitely got a long leash, because at least half the starters and many other contributors are freshman. I’ll bet 18-20 freshman, most of them true freshman, were getting playing time. He’s doing a total rebuild.

    They are a terrible team, but they play hard and hustle. I guess that should be expected with so many freshman. On defense, they look really undersized. One thing they are good at is forced fumbles. He’s got those guys going for the strip on every play. They played pretty good defense, especially against the run after Wisconsin’s top back went out early.

    I have no clue what they trying to do on offense. They play 2 QB’s and rotate them in and out like you would a RB or TE. At times they were rotating them in after every play or two. Very strange. Jeff George Jr is a pocket passer who sucks (2 fumbles, one lost), but has a semblance of accuracy. The other guy Thomas is a FR who is more of a runner than a passer. He had a few nice runs, but had terrible accuracy and was not a good passer. He was 2-11 for 45 yards with 2 picks. They didn’t really do shit on offense until a late TD against WI backups. Wisconsin does have a top 5 defense though.

    Wisconsin should have blown them out, but they played a lackluster, boring game and only won 24-10. They seemed content to just run boring plays into stacked fronts and eat clock. Kind of looked like a couple Bears games I watched this year. Oh, and their QB played like shit.

    So basically, it looked like a typical Lovie coached team.

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