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Forget Patience, Bears Should Be Preparing Trubisky To Start

| June 21st, 2017

Promises be damned.

The Bears need to start their best quarterback in 2017.

Early indications are it is not Mike Glennon.

Beat reporters aren’t allowed to report who played well and who didn’t during organized team activities and minicamp practices but they’ve had a hard time hiding the fact that Glennon has struggled. And almost unanimously, they’ve “hinted” Trubisky looks like he belongs. If that continues to be the case, the Bears shouldn’t bother wasting time with Glennon.

Although he has 18 starts under his belt, Glennon isn’t exactly a known commodity. He showed promise as a rookie — at least in terms of being able to protect the ball — but regressed in his second year. The hope was that he improved under the tutelage of Dirk Koetter, but the Bears haven’t seen that yet. They shouldn’t wait.

The biggest knock on Trubisky was a lack of experience. He can’t fix that by sitting on the bench and watching Glennon struggle. Trubisky has the size to hold up to the physicality of the NFL and the ability to play right away. If he’s able to grasp the playbooks and adjust to the speed of the action, there really isn’t a good reason not to throw him in.

Forget about the fact that Trubisky played in a spread offense. He’ll have the quarterback/center exchange down after his first week in training camp and the Bears run a very quarterback-friendly passing game (see the 2016 production of M. Barkley and B. Hoyer). Trubisky executed full-field progressions in college and North Carolina utilized many of the same passing concepts that the Bears use.

I understand the desire for patience but this isn’t your father’s NFL. Or even your older brother’s NFL. We regularly see quarterbacks come into the league and play well as rookies. And there’s no shame in admitting you’re wrong on a quarterback. The Seahawks did it with Matt Flynn and they don’t seem to be regretting it. A team should NEVER play the wrong guy while the right one is sitting right in front of them.

Ideally, Glennon would be the best man for the job and play well enough that the Bears could trade him for a draft pick in the offseason. Ideally, the Bears wouldn’t have all that money sitting on the bench. But Trubisky is the future, not Glennon. If the latter’s struggles continue into training camp and the preseason, the Bears need to make the future the present.

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  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    This is getting nuts. Let me break it down to the “start Trubisky” meatball crowd.

    First let’s get this out of the way..Is Trub the most latented qb on the bears roster? absolutely yes. He has the talent.

    But talent does not equal ability to start right away or even after the bye week. Why?

    Because there are many elements to the QB job besides being a talented thrower.

    #1 Reason Trub will not start and will not play much in 2017: He can’t read NFL defenses. He does not have foggiest idea. Absolutely clueless when compared to Glennon. Trub will not know what Dan Quinn’s defense is trying to do or what trickery Dom Capers is running on a given play. Glennon is far, far ahead of Trub on this.

    I know what homers will say.. just throw him out there. He will learn it on the fly. I will say that is pretty dumb. Trub is already learning some very new things. He is learning NFL offense lingo. He is learning how to control the huddle. And he is learning new footwork. That is enough new stuff on a rookie’ plate. And now you will be asking him to start readying complex NFL defenses and blitzes on the fly. Who thinks this will work out great? It will be a disaster for Trub.

    Just the footwork change is immense. One of the knocks on Trub during draft was his deep ball accuracy. Check out Jon Gruden saying that he will need to improve that right after Bears picked him. The Bears realized this too and so they are changing his footwork. Building new muscle memory is not easy. Trub himself admitted he is relapsing to old, bad habits. You don’t learn you new footwork and have it down pat in the crucible of an NFL season. You do it while running the scout team during the season.

    As for speeding his ability to read NFL defenses, he will get a crash course from Ragone and Sanchez every week during the film review session on Mondays. After 8-10 weeks he will have enough knowledge built up in his head to start getting on the filed and not look like a complete fool.

    So, meatballs, please be patient.

    • whatslovehavel

      which brings us back to why we should not have picked a QB project that high in the first place

    • King of DBB

      Jeff can’t let it go.

      Maybe we should bring back Olin Kreutz to snap to him and help him with line reads

      • CanadaBear

        Bring back Peanut to play safety and it’s playoffs Baby!

        • leftcoastdave

          Happy to have Demps teachin’ up the rooks. The improvement to the D backfield over last year has been an order of magnitude of change and that is where da Bears got killed last year. That alone would have flipped the record last year to a winning season even with all of the injuries. Now with the added depth to the D line this D will be top ten or better.

          • CanadaBear

            When your back 4 was as bad as the Bears were by the end of last season, there better be some improvements. The Bears D is nowhere near top 10 and if you think a couple of tweaks to the D backfield last year would have made a difference of 6 games, I’m shocked.

            Hicks and Goldman (when he’s healthy) are good on the line and Freeman is good at ILB. Floyd can be a terrific player if he doesn’t get KO’d. Other than that, the rest of the guys are either injured to the point of either not playing (DT) or being ineffective McPhee. Will Houston and Willie bounce back? Who knows? Bullard was a huge disappointment last year. Just don’t see anywhere close to a dominant front 7.

          • willbest

            Our front 7 disappeared regularly too. Those back 4 couldn’t be expected to cover for 6-7 seconds while the QB sat there unmolested.

          • leftcoastdave

            Jaye Howard? Add to Hicks and Goldman that is top five middle three. Bullard comes into year two with an off season of professional body building, 360 lbs of John Jenkins comes in to help in the middle. And we still have Unrein while Will Sutton was released and picked up by the Viqueen and Ego Ferguson cut and picked up by the Lions.

            Now we have much better first line players as well as much improved players to rotate in to keep them all fresh and hopefully healthy.

            Losing Tre hurts, but year two out of Quick and Floyd should be fun to watch with McPhee playing lighter and still great depth in the OLB crew.

            The D has been shored up brilliantly with studs up front and vets mixed in to help the rooks in the DB.

            Top Ten.

          • CanadaBear

            Go down swinging! Who knows what Howard or Jenkins will bring? Bullard is a non-entity until he shows something. Unrein is much better at FB than DL. I’m baffled by all the love for Kwiat. He showed next to nothing last year. Have no expectations for McPhee, other than shooting off his mouth and not backing it up. Floyd is one KO away from being out for an extended period of time.

          • SC Dave

            I think you should go review some tape on Kwiat.

            *Definitely* better than any of the other backup ILBs.

          • CanadaBear

            Being better than a bunch of stiffs doesn’t mean much. Don’t need to review, I saw it last year.

          • Kwiat’s def better than the Timu’s of the NFL, but that ain’t saying much.

            My issue w him so far is that he didn’t flash any “wow” plays. Knifing into the backfield, a hard hit, punching the ball out, jumping routes from zone, etc

            Like Floyd def made some wow plays.

            Kwiat so far hasn’t. Kinda like Shea. Just there, reacting more than imposing.

            But I still have hope he gets it together and begins playmaking (then again, I hoped the same for Shea at LB).

          • CanadaBear

            That’s where I’m at. Nothing against the guy and being meh as a 4th rounder isn’t a big deal.

    • Frank Schoenburg

      In your view should Glennon’s performance have any bearing on when Trubisky starts?

      • willbest

        Glennon struggles against the 1s

        Trubisky is doing well against the 2s.

        So Trubisky being talented is one theory. Our O depth being deeper than our D depth is another theory. And Our O 1s being worse than our D 1s is a third.

        Its way too early to tell what is what before they start taking hits, preferably from people they are unfamiliar with (aka the pre-season).

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        No. Glennon’s performance has no bearing on when Trubisky starts.

        Why?

        Because Trubisky is missing important pieces of what it takes to be NFL Sunday qb.

        There is a reason Bears have not declared qb competition. Fox and Pace have not been shy about announcing competition at other positions.

        But when one qb is cannot read NFL defenses, is just learning NFL offense, is just learning how to command a huddle, how to call protections etc. there is no competition.

        Trub will have to build some basic level of competency in these critical things before there can be a competition.

        That is the issue with taking these QBs early and overdrafting them. They have the talent but they ain’t ready to play. And Fox and Pace are not stupid enough to put the kid out there who can barely read NFL defenses and ends up breaking a limb or two because he got fooled at LOS and did not see the blitz coming.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Where is it stated Trubs cant read NFL defenses? Where is it stated Glennon is so much better at reading D?

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        LOL.. how many NFL games has Trub played?

        Glennon started 18 NFL games. And he was a notorious film nerd at tampa. So even though he did not start last couple years, he has been breaking down NFL film every sunday. He has a pretty good idea what DCs are trying to do. Especially NFC South. And Bears will have played all its NFC South opponents this year by Week 8.

        • SC Dave

          Good point on the NFC South thing; had not considered that part of it.

      • willbest

        I think the assumption is based on his limited college experience and that he doesn’t sound particularly bright in interviews. Glennon has at least demonstrated an adequate TD:INT ratio (2:1) as a starter which tends to indicate a decent awareness. Though I would note his sacked % is quite high with 8.2% but a lot of that was his rookie season of 40. It fell to 7.2% in relief for McCown the following year, so a pretty decent improvement in his sophomore outing.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          he also had a sub 60% completion percentage.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          Also, he got fooled twice by the same robber look against Stanford in the bowl game (one pick 6 and one other INT). It was not that complex defensive package but he got fooled nonetheless.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Instead of another “Start Trub” or another whiny ” I hope I don’t see one meaningful snap from Glennon this season” post, why not write an intelligent post about Trub’s college deep ball accuracy, his college footwork, or things he can improve to become a successful qb in the NFL?

    Aaron Rodgers was pretty accurate passer coming out of college. Yet he revamped his throwing motion for two years and became ever more deadly accurate. It took him 2 years to get that new throwing motion down. Do you think he would have been able to do that while playing every week during those 2 years? How about writing a post on that.

    Trub has the luxury of having Glennon on the team. It will allow Trub to work on things that he will increase his chances of being really good long term. Is this so bad?

    Why are bears fans so keen to deprive Trub the chance to learn and improve some basic things while he has the time and space now? If he is rushed and does not do well, they will be the first to whine “bears always suck”. May be that is what it is.. a big chunk of the fan base unconsciously desires continued bears misery.

    • SC Dave

      En fuego.

    • Frank Schoenburg

      If Trubisky shows in practice that he is ready then throw him in there. Game experience helps and there is no indication Trubisky needs to redo his throwing motion.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Once more, Practice does not equal being able to read NFL defenses.

        No, they are not changing his throwing motion. They are changing his footwork…which is equally big. If you are a fan, keep up.

        • Frank Schoenburg

          Agree with the point that practice doesn’t equal being able to read NFL defenses. At some point NFL experience will be required. Once Trubisky has shown competence at practice the fastest way to improve will be with experience. I have no idea how long changing his footwork will take so we’ll have to wait and see….. which I guess is your point lol.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          sitting on the bench does not equal being able to read NFL defenses either.

          • Michael Bradbury

            No, but having the time to watch many many hours of tape and seeing it on the bench HAPPENING in front of you do get you to the point of being ready to get out there and actually perform.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            well shit I have watched many hours of tape and been to a lot of games seeing it HAPPENING in front of me, maybe I should enter the draft next year as a QB.

    • Michael Bradbury

      +1 Plenty of evidence of guys getting overwhelmed too quickly and never catching up. It’s brutally FAST as this level. If you have to think before you respond you are f*cked……….
      Give the kid a chance to get his breath and nerves under control, much less KNOW the system and what to respond to, before you throw him out there.

  • CanadaBear

    So Glennon hasn’t looked good in brief glimpses of unpadded/no contact practices? By all means, bring on the rookie. Or not.

    I’m not exactly shocked by the post (Jeff and Andrew seem to be in lockstep on this one) but it truly makes no sense. If anyone thinks the Beloved are going to the playoffs this year, they might need to re-adjust their expectations. They will be very lucky to get to .500. Realistically 5-6 wins is my prediction. No reason to get the rookie killed early in the season. The second half of the season looks much easier (on paper). If the coaches think MT has progressed enough at that point, by all means, throw him in there. Unless there are a ton of injuries to the QB’s, there’s no reason to start the rookie early in the season.

    • SC Dave

      Perhaps all this “start Trubisky now” is mere clickbait?

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Its Jeff, dannehy, and wood too. On this issue “Start Trub” issue, they are just like Leming, Lambert etc.

      smh..

    • leftcoastdave

      Realistically or pessimistically?

      I’m an “it happens in the trenches” old school dude and I think that the front 7 is top five. That will make life much easier for the D backs, who now have a great new leader in Quinten Demps.

      Same on the O with the line well above average and with experience together across the front five. Add to that a great TE group and the second best RB in the country last year. That is a great foundation for a QB to be able to lead safe drives with great release targets and WRs with the ability to make the big plays when the D gets caught cheating in the box.

      I’m loving it. Take out Atlanta in the first game and build from there.

      • CanadaBear

        Love your optimism.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I thought 5-6 wins was pretty optimistic.

      • The front 7 is top 5 THEORETICALLY.

        I’ll wait to see if

        A. They can actually stay healthy (McPhee is an inj waiting to happen, Tre will likely start on PUP, Floyd is a concussion away from contemplating retirement, Bullard has looked terrible).

        The Oline seems much stronger all around, so that should def help the O. However, the most important position in all of sports just so happens to be our biggest question mark.

        Without good QB play, see Rams ’16.

        I’ll become a homer around Sept 1st, but it’s gonna be a loooong offseason with endless speculation till then.

      • Irish Sweetness

        We’ll beat Atalanta in week one, at a big price.

  • willbest

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/21/wal-mart-is-reportedly-telling-its-tech-vendors-to-leave-amazons-cloud.html

    I am surprised this hasn’t happened sooner quite frankly. It doesn’t make any sense for people that compete with Amazon the retailer to be using Amazon’s web services. CNBC is off their rocker though if they think that Amazon’s purchase of Whole Foods somehow competes with Wal-Mart’s grocery business.

    Whole Foods target market is people that have more money than they know what to do with, and Wal-Mart’s target market are people that can’t afford to shop anywhere else.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      It’s probably not about target market of Whole Foods, and more about having the infrastructure in place. Whole Foods has 400+ stores. Amazon has made it known for quite awhile that they were interested in getting into grocery delivery. Secondly, the target market can change. Amazon can and will make changes to Whole Foods to meet their needs.

  • King of DBB

    Ken is more metro. More Tiger Woods less Ryan Seacrest. Not as manly as Bo Darville, though.

    http://media.gq.com/photos/59416a7f7187ba768e85a0a6/master/w_800/Ken%20Doll-0717-GQ-FEKD05-02.jpg

  • willbest

    “This morning the 1930’s era signal interlocking at 34th St. failed. As a
    result, it required emergency repairs and delays across the system.” – MTA

    “New York City officially has a borderline unusable public transportation system. This is why. Insane.” – Jeff

    On the flip side, self driving mini-busses are the future of public transportation. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to invest trillions upgrading America’s public transit if it is going to be obsolete in 15-30 years.

    • beninnorcal

      But when you take into account all the worthless crap the city has thrown money at the past several decades instead of investing in their infrastructure, it is pretty insane, actually.

      • willbest

        That I would agree with.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Does NYC still have that giant, frozen, emergency water valve that strikes fear into the hearts of public works officials?

    • SC Dave

      The most critical infrastructure need, I imagine, is rehabilitation of the antiquated sanitary sewer systems of America’s major cities.

      • willbest

        That is for damn sure. Every couple years my town hires an engineering firm to study the issue and they tell us it will be 40-50 million in infrastructure upgrades, so we hand them a couple hundred thousand for their report, thank them, and go about our business.

        The US also needs to modernize its freight train infrastructure and power grid, but I won’t hold my breath on that one either.

        • CanadaBear

          I wouldn’t worry too much about the power grid.

          • SC Dave

            I think technology is affecting power use substantially, Canada. Perhaps that is the biggest part of your comfort re: the power grid.

            Even if those damn LED light bulbs are destroying our vision.

          • CanadaBear

            I worked for a gas and electric company when I was living in the States. 6 years in Electric Control. As long as there are incentives to build power plants it will get done. Also, natural gas is cheap and solar and wind are improving all the time. There’s plenty of hydro, too.

          • SC Dave

            My interpretation was that will was talking about delivery of power, not its production.

            My point was that despite the increases in population and inclusion of processors in everything, technology will drive power use *down*, not up.

          • CanadaBear

            If there is an issue they will just blame it on Canada like the last time. Shortly after I arrived in Canada they was a huge outage in the rust belt. Within a day they blamed it on Canada. Typically it takes weeks to analyze the causes for such a huge outage. Of course, the problem was with a utility in Cleveland.

          • willbest
          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            yeah but the Canadians still apologised.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis
          • CanadaBear

            Kinda, sorta.

        • SC Dave

          I think part of it may be hoping for technological rescue – the robotic shit to replace pipes in situ. If they can figure out how to do it reliably without reducing capacity too much and without risk of collateral damage to foundations, etc…

  • willbest

    Pats add David Harris to their roster. Because Hoddie still isn’t sick of winning yet.

    • willbest

      oh… Ian…. surely you can think of somebody on that list that would go…

      “David Harris should be a good locker room fit for #Patriots. But that’s a crowded LB room: Mcclellan, Hightower, Ninkovich, Roberts, Van Noy” – Ian Rapoport

    • Talk about motivation to kill the Jets twice a yr.
      It should be extra demoralizing to the Jets to have their ten yr leader on the other side terrorizing them
      Psychological warfare

  • beninnorcal

    Interesting, I didn’t realize the Bears were in a ‘win now’ situation. lol.
    I fail to see how riding pine for a year, potentially watching someone ELSE struggle, would be a bad thing for Mitchell.

    • 505Bears

      Bears have been in a “win never” holding pattern for awhile now. Some urgency would be good

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    I have been on record saying Trubs should start if and only if he beats out Glennon by a wide margin. If it’s merely close then go with Glennon. However, it does not help the organization to sit him while Glennon struggles just because he is a rookie. We have a decent Oline, a good to great running game, and a competent TE/WR group(great if you believe Irish). Sounds like a pretty good situation for a QB to come into. In the last decade we have seen rookie QBs start with worse situations and have success. No matter who is the starting QB is, the passing game is going consists of quick reads and dump offs. And if anyone believes Glennon is going to come in and play close to an all pro level and not have bone headed mistakes they are just kidding themselves.

    • willbest

      I can’t wait to see the response from the peanut gallery on Trubs first strip-sack.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        that’s the problem, so many fans have already made up their minds on just about everything that they will jump on every mistake, while calling everyone who doesn’t a homer.

        • leftcoastdave

          Arm chair coaches with the luxury of a cold beer in their hands.

        • SC Dave

          looks about right.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I wonder how many of us (a) wanted Trubs (b) wanted Watson (c) wanted Cutty etc.

          But surely nobody wants either Trubs or Glennon to fail?

      • CanadaBear

        I don’t think the regs around here will get too worked up over it. The meatheads, yeah they will freak out.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          disagree. I am pretty sure if MB comes back, he will go on a rant about a strip sack. He was already pissed we drafted Trubs.

          • CanadaBear

            Who cares? He’s not a reg at the moment.

      • Not all strip-sacks are created equal.
        If Trub is Cutlered because the ball is at his waist while he’s waiting for a WR to run into double coverage , oblivious to the pocket shrinking…over 8 yrs…then yeah, time to worry.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Cutler made bone headed mistakes for 8 fucking years. Cutler’s game was all about bone headed mistakes. Yet Cutler meatballs not only tolerated it, but loved it. Jeff, Dannehy were saying right up to Cutler getting shitcanned that he is better than Glennon. The NFL had a different opinion though. Cutler remained jobless and finally retired.

      Glennon will not be as bone headed mistake maker as Cutler was. No one can surpass Cutler in bone headed mistakes.

      And if we lived with Cutler for 8 fucking years, surely we can live with Glennon for 1 year.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Jay Cutler is better than Mike Glennon.

        He started every year of his long NFL career. He did not make boneheaded mistakes in 2015 (when he completely turned it around in terms of what he had to address)and in 2016 he was injured to the point where his career ended. Anyone who doesn’t accept what happened in 2015 is just a hater.

        • CanadaBear

          That’s bullshit. He had a slightly better year in 15 than any of the 7 other years in Chicago. 21 TD’s and 16 TO’s. Big Whoop! His QB rating was 3.5 points higher than the previous year. What a complete turnaround. Or not. I’ve never hated Cutler, still don’t. Doesn’t mean I wasn’t sick of his shit and ready for anyone to replace him.

    • leftcoastdave

      The TE group makes a nice “Heavy” package with better than average ability to catch the ball. With a running mindset, the receiving corp is more than adequate to be able to get open at all levels. Cam in particular comes in with a great rep for getting dbs to bite on the first move. That will cause them go give him more space on the first move opening him up for quick hits. The veterans picked up will add a variety of talents with the slot stacked.

      That is an amazingly adequate target group for any QB running out of a stacked O line with the number two rusher in the league.

      • SC Dave

        DBs did not care about Meredith at all before last season.

        This time around, they will have studied him.

        • Eh, I don’t think ‘scheming’ works as much vs WRs or HBs.

          A CB can tell pretty fast if they can jam a WR or need to play off.
          And lots of it is dictated by the type of D they’re playing anyways.

          Sometimes a savvy CB can pick up on certain tells though.

          Like I remember Deon saying that he knew when a certain receiver was going to get the ball cuz he always fixed his gloves when the ball was meant for him.

          But that’s some HOF detail shit.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Shouldn’t Deion be playing each receiver like they were getting the ball?

            I don’t like Deion. As soon as he admitted he pulled out of tackles regularly … he was dead to me as a player. He is not a man.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Nobody is doubling Cam on this team. That’s why I like our WRs. Nobody stands out, there’s no Brandon Marshall to point at.

          • willbest

            Which works really well if Drew Brees is your QB, Glennon, not so much.

    • It’s also entirely possible Glennon struggles more in PS because he’s running the full playbook against starters and not running the cliffnotes version vs scrubs.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Plus he has zero chemistry with the receivers.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Eighteen million dollars should be the pointer.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    Uh…let’s at least wait and see what Glennon and Trubisky do against vanilla defenses in the preseason.

    If he shows promise let Trubisky start a preseason game so he’s playing against first stringers.

    • AlbertInTucson

      No! No! No! Let’s make a decision on the starter, now!

      Today!

      IMMEDIATELY!!!

      It’s almost JULY!

      SMH.

      Shiny, New. Toy.

      What a concept.

    • Whoever starts the 3rd PS game will start the season.

      I do think Trub should get some 1st quarter reps in the 2nd PS game tho.

      Fox won’t do that but he should

  • willbest

    Packers fan who is a Bears season ticket holder is suing the Bears to be allowed to wear packers gear on the field during the pre-game warmup, which is apparently a perk he gets for being a Bears season ticket holder.

    http://chi.247sports.com/Bolt/Green-Bay-Packers-fan-to-sue-Chicago-Bears–53242012

    • CanadaBear

      I think GP posted that earlier. Don’t really care how this works out but I can’t for the life of me understand why a Fudgie fan would pay for a PSL at Soldier Field.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        no one ever accused a Fudgie of being smart.

        • CanadaBear

          I get paying for season tix if you’re crazy about the NFL but a PSL? I wouldn’t pay for that, ever!

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            from the Tribune, the guy has season tickets for both GB and Chicago. And he is a high school teacher. Where the hell is he getting that kind of money? Bears will just need to keep an eye on his tickets for games he is not at, to see if they can revoke the tickets for some reason.

            http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-packers-fan-sues-bears-spt-0620-20170619-story.html

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            sorry had wrong link, fixed it.

          • 505Bears

            Definitely isn’t saving it on the food bill. Maybe he is saving it on the haircut/razor bill?

          • willbest

            Depends on the high school. 20 odd years ago in my high school department heads with masters+ and 15+ years experience that sponsored an activity were pulling down 120k. I just checked and a similar setup is pulling down 150k

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            He makes $42,408 a year.

          • willbest

            Well I guess if that is what you want to spend all your non-living expenses on, and you don’t have a family or kids to support, you could make it work.

    • SC Dave

      What a douche.

  • CanadaBear
  • 505Bears

    So, the Bears are better off with Glennon over Cutler on a “1 year” deal? I would rather have Cutler mentoring Tribinky than ol Sponge Bob Long Neck there.

    • willbest

      Nobody ever said anything to doubt Cutler’s work ethic and willingness to prepare, but its clear that instincts took over for him on the field. That probably isn’t the best person to be going over the tablet play saying “well here I was seeing ABC and thinking XYZ”

      Plus there is the durability issue with Cutler. Its hard to teach Trubisky if he is going to be on IR.

    • Lol i think u should stop putting vodka in that koolaide 505 .
      NOBODY wanted Cutler except ESPN.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Pace did not want Cutler and his lousy “i dont give a fuck attitude’ in the quarterback room.

      He made sure not an inch of Cutler’s shadow will fall on the rookie qb.

      That is why Pace’s first move of 2017 season was to shitcan Cutler. Think about it Cutler meatballs. That’s how highly Ryan Pace thought of Cutler.

  • King of DBB
    • SC Dave

      Pre-expansion.

  • willbest
  • I’m almost 100% positive Jeff recruited Andy to be his Cargo wingman. And now he’s parroting Jeff’s “Trub now” mantra?

    Is this like a Tyler Durden thing going on? I am Cargo’s mangled thumb.

    Agree w Penis. IF and only IF Glennon bombs and Trub shines this off-season should Bears even consider starting Trub, but i wouldn’t bet on it.

    Even then, what’s the harm in sitting Trub esp against murder row at the start? Many of us are expecting losses early, so why risk PERMANENTLY damaging Trubs confidence and ingraining terrible muscle memory in essentially futile games?

    The whole Wilson example is wishful thinking. Wilson came from an NFL style O and leaned on a borderline HOF rb, and killer D that didn’t get them in shootouts (and had waaay better coaches).

    Trub himself has admitted he’s rewiring bad habits. Let him keep focusing on that so that when the time comes he’ll arrive like the terminator

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      I am seeing almost 100% overlap between the “Start Trub Now” meatballs and the hardcore former Cutler meatballs.

      The Cutler meatballs were really badly butthurt when Pace Shitcanned Cutler. They couldn’t believe that Pace would sign Glennon for $18 million and shitcan Cutler. Their hate of Glennon and not wanting to see “one meaningful Glennon snap this season” comes from that place of deep butthurt. So now they have become “Start Trub Now” meatballs. Watching Glennon play will bring back all those butthurt memories and that ain’t good. So they are ready to skip over Glennon.

      • SC Dave

        This analysis is believable given the behaviors that have been exhibited.

      • And in some twisted corner of schadenfreude psyche, maybe wanting Trub now to fail epically so Cutlerites can feel redeemed for their past 8 yrs of believing a false prophet

        But I’m not that cynical to believe that…yet.

        I’ll just go w shiny new toy theory

        • SC Dave

          I’d bet on the former

    • CanadaBear

      From the game I saw last year he was a slow processor. No reason to think that has speeded up much. Why rush the guy? The Beloved aren’t going anywhere this year. Not to mention, if Glennon actually plays well, the Bears will reap the rewards on the field and in the off season (trade possibilities).

      • Agree. I saw the same , that at times Trub struggled w concepts and Ds (Stanford specifically) and i still don’t know if it was from lack of IQ or experience. Let’s hope the latter. Either way better to err on the side of caution.

        Bonus points for Glennon trade stock.

    • BearDown100393

      I am Jeff’s Trub crush.

  • willbest

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-dissolving-illinois-kass-met-20170620-column.html

    I pulled up a river map of IL and I think how he divides up IL is shady, but the theory is sound.

  • BearDown100393

    “Beat reporters aren’t allowed to report who played well and who didn’t
    during organized team activities and minicamp practices but they’ve had a
    hard time hiding the fact that Glennon has struggled.”

    I had no idea POTUS bought the Bears.

    What a stupid assertion. But then again, the entire premise of the argument for Trubisky is absurd.

    • willbest

      Considering how poorly the McCaskeys have done, I would welcome the Donfather.

      • BearDown100393

        Soldier Field replaced by Yuge Drumpfium?

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’ll find the money, Will.

    • King of DBB

      Haven’t you heard? Libel laws have changed.

      If you report a Bear did not play well, his agent will sue you for defamation. The 1st Amendment is being re-framed as we speak.

      • BearDown100393

        Ohhhhh I get it now…..

    • SC Dave

      “What a stupid assertion.”

      Ex fucking actly

    • madscout12

      This is the media requirement set by the NFL (http://www.profootballwriters.org/nfl-media-access-policy/) for OTA/Vet Minicamp. TL;DR the Bears are blocking any access/reporting not forbidden by the policy. That means some rule where reporters don’t report on what actually happens at practice, and the Bears have been limiting taping during practice.

      5. MANDATORY VETERAN MINICAMP ACCESS – During a club’s mandatory veteran minicamp, all daily practices must be open in their entirety to local media (those who regularly cover the team). It is permissible to limit the videotaping or photographing of certain portions of minicamp practices. In addition, players and the head coach must be available to the media for interviews each day during minicamp (not necessarily in the locker room). Media access to a rookie or voluntary minicamp is a club decision.

      6. OFFSEASON PROGRAM (OTAs) – To enhance publicity during the offseason, clubs must open to the media at least one of every three Organized Team Activity (OTA) days. In addition, it is recommended that clubs open to the media the first OTA session of the year. The purpose of opening at least one of every three OTA days (not one-third of the total number of OTAs but one of every three) is for media to have at least one mandatory access day in each of the four weeks of Phase Three of a club’s offseason workouts as described in Article 21 of the CBA. This means that on these designated days teams must 1) make players available to the media for interviews, either in the locker room or elsewhere at the club’s facility, and 2) open the OTA on-field session to the media in its entirety. It is permissible to limit the videotaping or photographing of certain portions of these sessions. These mandatory offseason media sessions are in addition to the veteran minicamps that must be open to the media in their entirety as described above. Any media access to Phase One or Phase Two of offseason workouts is a club decision.

  • This is dedicated to Jeff and Andy. Get out ur lighters.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErvgV4P6Fzc

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Chucky on Trub pick right after he was drafted:

    ” When I spent time with Trubisky, there is a lot to like. But his deep ball accuracy has got to improve.There is just too many shots downfield where the ball is off the field of play, not catch-able. Gotta to correct this, he has to improve his deep ball accuracy.”

    “Some of the complex blitzes that Stanford gave him caused problems. He is an inexperienced, 1 year starter. He is gonna take a little bit of time. Dowell Loggains, the OC, has time to nurture him because of the veteran presence of Mike Glennon. But clearly they are tired of Jay Cutler.”

    I liked Chucky’s one last parting shot at Cutler. Watch the clip.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPZvAI9OBc0

    Say what you will about Jon Gruden, but the man knows football..especially offense. His observations on Trub’s deep ball accuracy in college were spot on. Trub is very accurate on short and intermediate throws. But because of his less than ideal footwork, the deep ball sailed on him often.

    Bears think tank picked up on that too. Here is Trub in his own words:

    “Sometimes I see myself on film going back to my old footwork at North Carolina, and that’s just muscle memory,” Trubisky said. “So I’m trying to get rid of those habits and just get into the new footwork, because if I do what I’m coached to do here, I’ll be successful, and that’s what I do. I come out here, I try to be as coachable a player as possible, and it’s all going to come within the offense. So if I stay within the offense, do my job, hopefully good things happen.

    “[But] they’re not really messing with [my throwing motion]. It’s more of my footwork. My throwing motion is what it is. I got a quick release and I could throw the ball accurately as long as I bring my feet with me. So that’s what coach says: Do the footwork, bring your feet with you, get through your progression and use your eyes well. So as long as my shoulders are level and I pull through with my hips, the ball should be where it’s supposed to go.”

    http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/77554/mitchell-trubisky-running-second-team-offense-with-mark-sanchez-out

    Trub will have to practice this footwork so that he doesn’t think about it.. will need thousands of repetitions to build new muscle memory. And he might yet revert to the old habit in the heat of high-pressure moment in NFL.

    Let’s hope Glennon and Sanchez stay healthy so that Trub can continue working on these kind of improvements.

    • BearDown100393

      Yeah but what does a SB winning HC really know about quarterbacks compared to a couple of bloggers?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Anyone think you can learn accuracy?

      Isn’t it too late for that?

      • Deep ball accuracy can be learned. Lots of prospects come out with poor deep balls (that’s what she said!).

        Either they have arms, but no accuracy
        No arm, but accuracy.
        Arm plus some accuracy but poor mechanics.

        As a matter of fact, Jawroski criticized Vadgers by saying he didn’t have the mechanics to hit the long ball

        http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/aaron-rodgers-2005-nfl-draft-scouting-reports

        As long as the college QB hit around 63% or more, his accuracy is fine.

        Arm, mechanics and smarts are diff.

        and while we’re doing flashback Thurs…(oops, proper link)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inNZJTaeES8

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        To me, accuracy comes from 2 components 1) hand-eye coordination just like aiming the dart on bullseye. 2) body mechanics.

        The aiming part is innate to great extent. Body mechanics can be improved through repetition.

        No qb is perfect. There will always be errant throws. But better mechanics will result in more consistent throws. For short throws you can get away with aim and arm strength but for deeper throws you need footwork to be accurate.

        • SC Dave

          I saw some thing on Drew Brees (if I could remember where, probably here, I’d repost) and his consistency of delivery is astonishing. It weas like mph of ball, angle between his palm and the trajectory, and stuff like that.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “Beat reporters aren’t allowed to report who played well and who didn’t during organized team activities and minicamp practices….”

    THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING THERE???

    • SC Dave

      Fake (or is that Flake) news?

    • madscout12

      If you listen to the Hoge and Jahns podcast, and a few others, they talk about this explicitly. Either team rules or NFL rules make it so they can’t talk about what they see at minicamp. They get like 1 a week, and then they can only talk about what the players say afterwards/confirm eye witness. If Glennon throws 3 picks, and doesn’t say “Gee, it sucks I threw 3 picks.” then the beat writers can’t report on it.

    • Scharfinator

      Justifying their paychecks.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        This is just dumb. You think you are making a smart comment.

        The Bears dictate the terms. It is quite simple.. If Biggsy, Adam Jahns and others want access during ‘open to press’ days of OTAs and mini camp, they have to sign a statement saying they cannot report on what they see. All they can do is report what players coaches say during interviews. If they don’t sign, they don’t get entry to Halas Hall. It really is that simple.

        The reporters conclude they are better off being there than being locked out and so sign on Bears requirements.

        • Scharfinator

          Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.

          How did what you said, in anyway, refute what I said?

          They’re working (in the capacity they’re allowed to). I don’t know how else one justifies being paid.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Ha! That is the most action those dudes will get..

      I looked up VR for qbs after Foxy mentioned it last week. That technology is legit. I think it is going to speed up Trub’s learning curve. Given how raw he is, every mental rep is going to help.

      Apparently Carson Palmer and Jameis Winston are using it too.

      https://venturebeat.com/2016/06/11/how-vr-is-helping-train-nfl-quarterbacks-carson-palmer-and-jameis-winston/

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XKxvKEFBps

      Bears did a smart thing by bringing in this technology. They need all the help they can get in all the ways.

      • Supposedly the Bears updated the cameras at practice too. So much for the the narrative that the Bears are still cheap.

        I read a few years back that some players were actually playing Madden as a way to learn playbooks, coverages, packages, routes, etc

        I guess VR is the next natural evolution.

        Wow. So it’s actual video but in VR form? Cuz that looks real.

        I wonder if they have a VR football program, like “Level 1. Distinguishing between a cover-2, cover-3, cover 4 or blitz” all the way up to the more advanced levels like calling audibles to counter?

        That would be a good company to invest in.

        • willbest

          I suppose you are assuming that you could make a Madden like game out of it, and sell it for $80 a pop to 10 million people. Which is a great payday for a studio of 50 people but not something you are going to want to invest in unless they can sell millions of copies every year.

        • CanadaBear

          Yeah they finally got rid of the scissor jacks and use remote cameras. I’m guessing that death at ND gave them some incentive to upgrade.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The Falcons were using it in Hard Knocks …

  • AlbertInTucson

    The Gong Show is back?

    Who on Earth at ABC thought, “Oooh! THAT’S a great idea!” ?

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      The Bears should use the concept during games. QB plays shitty- gets the gong. next up.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Mitch Trubisky.

    Some Bears fans version of the Fidget Spinner?

    • BearDown100393

      Cheaper than meth I suppose.

  • leftcoastdave

    ICYMI – Today was world giraffe day. Now I do not like it that some on this thread have placed this moniker on Glennon, although it might be said that giraffes are cute an lovable critters. That said, what is his handle of choice? I’ve seen “Beaker” from a few years ago, “ginger giraffe” and “MickGlennon” which I personally like the best, So, what is his the nickname he would like to be tagged with, if anyone knows?

    • AlbertInTucson

      I think Jeff wants to call him “Trubisky Impediment”.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I am going with Troll. cuz he manning the bridge

    • BearDown100393

      Giraffe is a giraffe. And a well paid one.

  • willbest

    “Trubisky is not a project. He never was a project. He just has limited starting experience. His game naturally fits pro game.” – Jeff

    Mitch Trubisky considers himself a project, so I reckon I will put a little more weight on his analysis in this instance.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Trubs was just being modest. He did not want to boast that he is the Greatest Ever!

      • Scharfinator

        GOAT GOAT GOAT

  • CanadaBear

    The Fudgies DT is already suspended for the first 4 games of 2017 for PED’s, this isn’t gonna help! What a shame for the Fudgies.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000816910/article/packers-dt-letroy-guion-arrested-on-dui-charge

    • SC Dave

      Tragic.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      clearly there is a logical explanation.
      1. DUI – accidently ingested cheese that had fermented.
      2. PED – ingested tainted cheese. The cheese was made from cows that had been injected with high doses of PEDs, and it made its way into the cheese.

  • willbest
  • BearDown100393

    “Trubisky is not a project. He never was a project. He just has limited starting experience. His game naturally fits pro game.”

    Stop drinking.

  • willbest
    • Like many boats, the Augustine has tried electronic noisemakers to ward off the animals, but the orcas simply got used to them.

      “It became a dinner bell,” said Clampitt.

      Bwhahaha. If a director remakes Jaws, THIS is the plot right here.

    • CanadaBear

      There are pods out here that roam certain territory. I’ve gone whale watching once in a Zodiak and it was very cool. Saw a couple of humpbacks up close and followed around a pod of Orcas that were thinning out the sea lion population. I saw a show on NG that featured a rogue pod of Orcas that travel up and down the West Coast of the US and terrorize just about everything in the ocean.

  • King of DBB

    Hey Jeffo –

    He drove his gold plated golf cart onto the fucking green. ONTO THE FUCKING GREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Please contextualize how big a sin that is for everyone.

    https://twitter.com/MikeNFrank/status/877579677640019968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2Fajax%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-877579677640019968%26autosize%3D1

    If Obama did that, Fox News would have a month of ‘blacks should stick to being caddys’ jokes.

    • willbest

      Ask and ye shall receive

      “People who don’t play golf will never understand how big an asshole you have to be to drive a golf cart on the green.” – Jeff

      • Funny. I never heard of that faux pas since I refuse to golf.

        Can anyone compare it to a no-no from a real sport?

        • evantonio

          woman-about-to-be-killed-in-a-horror-moving-screaming while your opponent is about to serve for match point.

          passing on signing a real WR because you’re going to line Devin Hester up on the outside.

          taking a dump in your hand and wiping it in the opposing center’s face as he bends down before the puck drops.

          using your opponent’s ball to pick up a 6-8 spare.

        • willbest

          Apparently Jeff remains unconvinced even when it was pointed out it is Trump’s golf course. So its probably right up there with doing a home run celebration.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Walking into a world snooker fixture and flubbing up on the baize??

  • willbest

    Derrek Carr got PAID

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      and he will save a crap ton once he gets to Nevada and no income tax.

      • willbest

        I wonder if his contract is structured that way.
        $1 million in 2017, $1 million in 2018, $73 million in 2019, $25 million, $25 million

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          from what I read he has some delayed payment but numbers do not state what it is.

          • willbest

            No doubt he is going to get sued by the state of CA. They were going after FB employees who were moving to other states before exercising their share options at one point.

          • SC Dave

            I hope CA lost those suits.

  • Bender McLugh

    Sounds like Andrew is referring to some inside info that Glennon is shitting the bed so far.

    Anyone confirm this?

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Mike Glennon is a new Bears quarterback learning a new offense and is throwing to a bunch of receivers he has never thrown to before and most of the receivers are also learning the offense for the first time. Why is anyone surprised that offense is not completely in sync?

      “Andrew is referring to some inside info that Glennon is shitting the bed so far. Anyone confirm this?”

      No. This is just wishful thinking by some Cutler meatballs who have morphed into “Start Trub Now” meatballs.

      Do you remember how many times Jay Cutler started training camp practices with an INT? Do you remember how many times his passes were batted down at LOS? Do you remember the time when Trestman had to beg D-line to not bat down Cutler’s passes?

      Offense typically takes a long time to gel because offense is about 11 guys executing well together. On defense, just one guy can make play even if other 5-6 have screwed up their assignment.

      Just chill. Training camp hasn’t even started yet.

      • King of DBB

        Good news:

        We are bringing back Jordan Lynch!

        He triggered some of Pace’s algos:

        * His name is Jordan. Associated to other RBs named Jordan, as well as MJ.
        * He looks like a Chicago firefighter
        * He’s a white and wears #36
        * He’s got loads of that Tommy Waddle Grabowski-ness

        http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2014%2F0829%2Fchi_a_lynch_mb_1296x729.jpg

      • Bender McLugh

        I’m chill, bruh.

      • Malice Halice

        “cutler throwing INT’s during tc” that HAS to be humiliating! How did he last so long if he was doing stuff like that during tc.

      • BuddhaJoe

        Hey man, I was a Cutler apologist apparently, and I’m not screaming for Giraffe Boy’s head yet. Cut us some slack.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I can’t believe any rumor that he’s shitting the bed. It’s camp. He’s not getting hit.

      • Scharfinator

        Do you guys remember all those first passes Jay threw as interceptions in games too?

        So many slants that got pick 6’ed early.

    • I don’t think anyone CAN confirm it cuz apparently the Bears can sue or blacklist anyone who actually reports.

      • BerwynBomber

        Thought I heard it is in the CBA that all press is excluded from OTAs. Other than the pressers.

        • willbest

          Wouldn’t surprise me. If there is one thing the NFL hates, its not being able to control the narrative.

  • 505Bears

    I’m starting Trubinky in Madden. Mark it down!!

    • willbest

      Has ’17 been released yet?

    • What’s his rating?

      From memory, if it’s 84+ than the algorithms believe he’s a HOF!

  • evantonio

    unrelated to anything, but during the course of one magical week in 2010 i took a dump in the homes of jason taylor, tony siragusa, and deion sanders. in that order.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I hope the one in Deion’s house was right on his kitchen table … or smack bang in the middle of his white shag carpet.

      • evantonio

        guest bathroom with a 4-foot-tall framed picture of bloody, crucified jesus watching me go.

        • CanadaBear

          Not sure if that would help or hinder a good bowel movement.

        • That would make it difficult to rub one out in the sink. Difficult, but not impossible.

  • willbest

    Holy fuck…. Bill Cosby gets a mistrial and now he plans to go around the country lecturing how to avoid sexual assault accusations …

    Who the fuck is his publicist? OJ Simpson

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      His publicist is Orange Chimpanzee.

      ” I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”
      — Orange Chimpanzee

      • willbest

        See OJ is funny because of the “If I did it” book. Yours just doesn’t even make sense other than publicly demonstrate your 2-minute hate drill.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Roger Ailes – White Male – sexually assaulted dozens of women- Fox News Corp paid millions to settle with accusers on his behalf and then shitcanned him.

      BIll O’Reilly – White Male – sexually assaulted several women – Fox News Corp paid millions to settle with accusers on his behalf and then shitcanned him.

      Me thinks your attempt at humor would have worked better with these two assholes above than picking a black accused of murder but who definitely did not commit as many sexual assaults as the two assholes listed above.

      • willbest

        They wouldn’t work as his publicist (and neither does Trump) because none of them as far as I know tried to directly capitalize on their indiscretions.

        I am sure there are quite a few white televangelist that fit the bill if you care to look, but I doubt they would be as immediately recognizable as OJ.

      • Irish Sweetness

        O’Reilly’s gone? Good. What a colossal asshole.

    • SC Dave

      Oh gawd will..stick to fucking football, eh? The chimp troll was doing so well….

  • BuddhaJoe

    Damn it’s boring around here in the off-season. Here’s a baseball dog that should be a linebacker chasing the fools down.

    http://deadspin.com/baseball-dog-shirks-his-duties-remains-a-good-dog-1796294854

    Gotta watch the one of him taking the kid out for it to make sense.

    • SC Dave

      Maybe they needed to tie some bacon on that bat.

  • willbest

    Kyle Schwarber gets sent to the minors.

    Bulls trade Jimmy Butler for the #7 pick and used it to pick some white guy from Finland. I don’t follow basketball, but if I did that feels like it would be more WTF than Trubisky.

    • willbest

      Oh and Hossa has somehow been ruled out for this season due to a skin rash. So a crazy couple days in Chicago sports.

      • BerwynBomber

        Though cynics — of whom I’ve counted myself on occasion — contend the Hossa move allows the Hawks much need cap space to sign a big FA (Hossa is apparently going on extended IR instead of retiring even though their appears little hope of him ever again seeing NHL ice).

        The Butler move made me a new fan of the T-Wolves. Bulls got fleeced. That said, it could still work out if they suck bad enough next year and end up with the #1 pick in ’18.

        Wonder if Schwarber is just a younger Adam Dunn. Nothing particularly wrong with that but a far cry from Ruthian expectations Cub Nation had for him.

        • willbest

          The Hawks get the cap and Hossa still gets paid? Seems like hell of a loophole.

        • CanadaBear

          Hope not about Schwarber but if that is his comp, the Cubs will probably trade him to the AL at some point.

          • Bender McLugh

            he just needs to get his head right, he’s swinging at everything. Last year he was extremely patient.

        • BearDown100393

          Schwarber and Connor Shaw – future crab race partners.

        • SC Dave

          I fail to understand excitement, let alone interest, in a dude with a .207 career batting average that strikes out once per three at bats. Objectively, it looks like someone that simply cannot hit.

          Has baseball become THAT bad?

          • CanadaBear

            Maybe because he was a playoff hero in ’15 and a WS hero in ’16 and he just recently appeared in his 162nd MLB game. Just a thought.

          • The eli manning of baseball?

          • CanadaBear

            He’s only played the equivalent of 1 season in the bigs. The story isn’t written just yet.

  • willbest
    • AlbertInTucson

      SMH.

      Decades before THE TERMINATOR and its SKYNET storyline, there was a most excellent made-for-TV movie called COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT.

      A I does not end well for humanity in THAT story, either.

      • Trac’s nerdy cousin believes that computers are already conscious, but just PRETENDING to not be conscious until they’re ready to make their move.

        The computers refer to themselves as NWO. Nanobot World Order.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Correction.

        COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT was NOT made -for-TV.

        MY first viewing of it was on TV but it was originally a theatrical release from Universal.

        It was directed by Joseph Sargent whose credits include MacARTHUR and the original THE TAKING OF PELHAM ONE, TWO,THREE.

    • There’s some equation out there about how “smart” computers are getting per year. I forgot the rate, but it’s MUCH faster than humans. Our natural evolution can’t even begin to compete, and I think it’s projected that AI will be as smart as us by 2050.

      And when that “singularity” occurs, they’re not just gonna stop getting smarter.

      However, one of the biggest mysteries in the universe, if not THE biggest, is consciousness and mind.

      For instance, can you get inspired without FEELING?

      Can you feel without an animal physiology?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        one of the Google execs is on record saying by as early as 2029 A.I. will surpass human intelligence.

        • Wouldn’t doubt it. I guess there’s diff estimates from diff experts depending on how they define “intelligence”

          Kasparov had like a mental breakdown when Big Blue beat him at chess.

          I don’t think it was just for chess, but for the implication for mankind.

          But as I always suspected, chess is more about memorizing moves/counters, stat probabilities then it is about “creativity”. That’s why a computer chess game from the 80s could beat most casual chess players.

          However, It’ll be interesting to see if computers could ever achieve the “higher” cognitive functions.

          Sometimes they’re complex like discovering E=mc2 or sonnets.

          Other times, they’re shit we take for granted like everyday decision making or jokes.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GL25SaeOBg

          Could be computers will be able to store and process a lot of info but without any REAL sentience, which many will use as evidence to a ‘soul’.

          • willbest

            Chess is old hat, computers are now beating Go masters. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35785875

          • Anything with numbers/probabilities/memory computers will beat humans.

            Chessmasters have fooled themselves for centuries that it was about “imagination” when it only took me a few times of getting beat by the computer to figure out that the computer has MILLIONS of games to reference (my game alone had the 100 best chess matches of all time to view, and that was on a lousy PS2), memorizing millions of possible outcomes, and crunching the numbers of millions of variables.

            No human can compete with that. Same with Go I presume.

            Ironically, I would guess that computers would have a harder time at less “intellectual” games, like Clue or Risk.

            I’ve played a few computer Risk Games, and I win like 97% of the time.

          • willbest

            The best and the brightest probably aren’t working on Risk. I would imagine the computer’s win % at something like clue would be near optimal though given the constraints of the game. There is a fair bit of RNG in clue.

          • I’d be curious to see a computer at the World Poker Tourney.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I have RISK on a PC and on the IPad. I regularly beat both but find the PC version a much better challenge.

          • Did you pay for the PC one, Al?

            Thinking about getting it on PC or maybe android if they make it.

            I rather play the computer cuz vs real players, some stupid guy could just go kamikaze to fuck everything up.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I paid 9.99 for it on disk at Office Max years ago.

          • AlbertInTucson

            And the “experts” didn’t expect computers to be able to win at GO for a few years yet.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Trubisky is not a project”.

    Sigh.

    • Bender McLugh

      “The Bears are not a project.” -me

  • ButtonShoes

    Watching the colossally stupid things the Bulls did during the draft today gave me flashbacks to the Bears draft 2 months ago. I guess lousy GMs of a feather always flock together.

    • willbest

      It blows my mind that they gave up their #16 in that deal.

  • CanadaBear

    There’s some good stuff in this piece about the Saints. The best story includes Doug Atkins.

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/16/new-orleans-saints-first-season-fiftieth-anniversary

    • Scharfinator

      Good link, thanks.

      • CanadaBear

        I loved the story about the owner joining the fight and Atkins kept throwing him his helmet.

  • CanadaBear
  • CanadaBear

    Not sure why KC shit canned their GM and let Ballard go to Indy. If they are doubling down on Andy (he got extended), they are making a mistake.

    • KC has had strong drafts, no?
      Maybe Reid wanted Mahomes and Ballard didn’t and they decided they’re going diff directions.
      Agree. If they’re envisioning Reid in Billichick role, no bueno

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    My guess is parent teacher conferences were very popular with students Fathers.

    http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1284513-preschool-teacher-fired-refusing-give-side-job-porn-star

    • willbest

      One of my kid’s teachers last year is hotter than her. She was a 23 year old new hire. I never went looking for her instagram, but it wouldn’t surprise me to find something of note.

    • Looked her up. Bones like a grandma.

      That being said, totally pork her.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        all in the name of research…

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Fair analysis of the state of Da Bears.

    “There are three terrible, practically hopeless teams in the NFL and we previewed them already. The Bears seem a tier ahead of the gruesome threesome. However, there’s another significant gap between the Bears and the teams above them in these rankings. It’s hard to know exactly what to expect from the Bears, because who knows what to expect of the quarterbacks? Mike Glennon has thrown 11 passes since 2014 and Mitch Trubisky had just 13 college starts. The Bears should improve but we won’t know until we see more from the quarterbacks.”

    https://sports.yahoo.com/2017-nfl-preview-bears-tried-fixing-qb-issue-whats-wrong-150623245.html

    • SC Dave

      Most interesting comment to me? The first parenthetical phrase here…

      “Then the Bears doubled down on Trubisky. What’s lost in the widespread
      criticism of Pace for the draft-day trade (which is partially a
      byproduct of the desire to praise media-friendly John Lynch for his brilliance)
      is that he could not know if the Cleveland Browns or someone else was
      trying to move up to No. 2 to take Trubisky.”

      • Lost in all that is that it’s possible that BOTH parties won. How novel!

        9ers got to rebuild their horrible roster.
        Bears got their first potential AP QB since Lujak

        Could be both lost too. Never know.

        • SC Dave

          Only time will tell.

          It will be interesting to see if Thomas is all they hoped.

    • Frank Scwhab looks exactly like one would imagine. Wow. It’s a miracle the Frank Scwhabs of the world ever get laid.

      Agree with his break-down though. I was as shocked as anyone when we traded up for Trub, but that shock wore away soon as I realized other teams were bidding for him at #2.

      Sobering

      “Amazingly, the last time Chicago had a first-team All-Pro quarterback was Johnny Lujack in 1950.”

      Yikes.

      No wonder Pace double-downed.

      Edit. from the article linked, Trub-luv

      “ESPN draft analystTodd McShay reported thepersonnel director he spoke with compared Trubisky to Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers. This is pretty high praise considering most view Rodgers as the best quarterback in the league.

      “The similarities: The quick release, the arm talent and the ability stay in balance while moving his feet,” McShay wrote. “A lot of time and motivation went into Rodgers’ NFL development, of course, but you see the raw tools with Trubisky.”

      Wonder if that was the Bears director.

      But needless to say, Jeff/Andy, Vadgers sat to rework his mechanics.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        But but ..Cutler broke all the records from the 1930s and that proves he was really good. Pace should not have shitcanned him.

        • Random Bears Statistician

          Technically most if not all of the records from the 30’s, 40’s, 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 2000’s, etc but we get your point.

        • BuddhaJoe

          Well I would’ve rather had Cutler keeping the seat warm for Titty lover than Glennon but meh, it’s done. Cutler wasn’t the savior, but he was never as bad as he was made out to be. Hell any QB that can last that long on the fucking Bears must’ve done something right.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Lujack.

        All-Pro.

        Yes, boys and girls, that’s even before AL was born!

        • CanadaBear

          I went to school with his son. He was a really nice guy.

      • BuddhaJoe

        I read it anyway even though my first instinct is “Fuck Yahoo”, but it was pretty good. I don’t think they’re making the playoffs or anything lie that but I think they’ll surprise.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Blackhawks, as promised, making some changes:

    Blue Jackets acquired Artemi Panarin, Tyler Motte and a 2017 sixth-round draft pick from the Blackhawks in exchange for Brandon Saad, Anton Forsberg and 2018 fifth-round draft pick.

    Defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson was traded to the Arizona Coyotes by the Chicago Blackhawks on Friday for defenseman Connor Murphy and forward Laurent Dauphin.

    • Bender McLugh

      Hjalmarsson is one of my all time favorite Blackhawks. Brought it every night. Great to have Saad back but damn I really loved Panarin.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Saad is a year younger and I read that his contract situation is friendlier to the team.

        • Bender McLugh

          Yeah, definitely don’t hate the move

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    If Trub starts week 1, this is what awaits him… Good Luck, Trub.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1USlpIPoYM

  • King of DBB
  • SC Dave

    Was remembering the thread on soundtracks, and realized I was a bit remiss to fail to mention Fantasia.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Search here to see if technology is about to make your job disappear.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-jobs-automation-risk/

    • willbest

      Lawyers and bureaucrats are kidding themselves. You could automate 30% of my job right now and probably 75-80% within 10 years if the techies put their minds to it. Lawyers will put up a fight, but I wouldn’t bet against Wall Street. They make everybody their bitch.

      • I was actually pondering this the other day.

        Wouldn’t robot judges be the ultimate “impartial” justice?

        They can just reference case results from U.S. recorded law and render a verdict without ire or sympathy.

        • willbest

          I presume you are only looking at the results for white males and applying them to everybody because otherwise -ism. And of course, the AI will have been programed by white (and asian) men who suffer from -ism. Although in the criminal justice system there is no greater privilege than attractive white girl privilege. So perhaps that should be the standard everybody gets.

          Still, despite the imperfections of people, there is still a comfort level. For example, I know there is a good chance that the pilot on my flight last week is a coke addled adulterer, but I still want him around just in case some static electricity shorts out the auto-pilot.

          I imagine a jury of your peers is similar. Certainly Yanez would thinks so. I can’t imagine a computer letting him go, but apparently police officers are incapable of committing murder in Minnesota.

          • Robot judge can just avg out all the sentences for crimes OR hand out similar punishments at random.

            That means that a hot white teacher who boinked her 16 yr old male student might get the 20yr fed ass pounding prison sentence an af am teacher who slept with his 16 yr old white girl student got.

            Judge Bot don’t care.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Judge Ed 209 presiding.

    • BearDown100393

      How well is Pacebot functioning?

      • willbest

        Other than not realizing that Trubisky is GOAT and firing Glennon on the spot, I don’t think Jeff has any complaints.

  • BuddhaJoe

    So really hoping the Bears can do something this year since my other teams are shit. Bulls are going to suck after trading Butler for spare parts, and the Tigers are shit and are about to unload before the trade deadline. Yes I know its weird, but I’m from Michigan and my folks are from Illinois.

    • MichiganBearFan

      I will accept you.

  • Bender McLugh

    Joni Mitchell, Shadows & Light entire VHS is now on YouTube:
    https://youtu.be/bLKb9Ms68ME

    One of the greatest supergroups – Jaco, Pat Matheney, Lyle Mays, Don Alias, Michael Brecker.

    The crowd is awesomely early 80’s

    • CanadaBear

      Some serious talent there!

      • Bender McLugh

        Such wonderful execution too. Did they ever have off nights?

        • CanadaBear

          A friend of mine that has a band that travels all over the US, Can and Europe had a nice way to explain it. I play piano but I’m not anyone’s idea of a pianist. John said the difference between us was I practice a song to be able to play it without mistakes. A professional practices until they just don’t make mistakes. I know everyone hits a clunker every now and then but the pros really keep them down to a minimum.

      • Bender McLugh

        Joni’s guitar on Travelogue is incredible on this. So good

  • SC Dave

    I guess it’s emblematic of the couch potato generation that drone racing is now a “sport” on ESPN

    • willbest

      As opposed to professional eating? Or the many fine e-sports. There is some youtube like interface out there where you can watch people play video games. How fucking lazy do you have to be not to pick up the controller yourself.

    • CanadaBear

      My next door neighbor (a renter, of course) had one and flew it over to our deck one night. I had no idea what he and his buddy were doing but I let him know that if it comes within throwing distance of me again I’ll be pitching some rocks at it. He half-assed apologized and found a different air space.

      • willbest

        I don’t know how it is in Canada, but in the US you can find yourself being charged criminally for destroying a drone even if it is hovering over your property.

        Near as I can tell the proper response is to file a complaint with the police for criminal trespass. Of course, you know the government exempts itself. They can shoot down your stuff no problem and you aren’t allowed to operate it near their stuff.

        • Odd. What if the drone has a vid/ camera (those helicopter ones I know do)? Seems like an invasion of privacy, and a person has the right to privacy on his property.

          Shoot away, Canada.

        • CanadaBear

          My issue was a camera and was he high tech window peeping? Not sure what the law is up here. I don’t think the guy meant anything by it (he was kind of a doofus) but who knows?

          • Bender McLugh

            Being a doofus is never an excuse for also being an ass

          • CanadaBear

            Indeed! I do try to cut people some slack if they aren’t exactly Rhodes scholars but that only goes so far.

      • Johnnywad

        I had one hover over my boat while fishing. Wouldn’t leave and it was pissing me off. I don’t get much down time and I damn sure don’t want to deal with that shit when I’m looking for some peace and quiet. So after about five minutes of it, I tied on the heaviest/largest lure I had and started casting at it. After the third failed attempt to hit it, it flew off. I had no idea at the time it was illegal to take it down. Seems like a violation of my privacy to film me against my wishes. Ah well. Haven’t seen it since. I may be willing to test that one in court if it happens again.

        Where do we draw the line? I have a fifteen year old daughter on the boat with me all the time. If she’s in a bathing suit and that thing shows up. It’s coming down. And when he comes to claim it, he’s getting an old school ass whipping.

    • Bender McLugh

      Fine motor skills is a thing. And I don’t think they give out participation prizes

    • BearDown100393

      Sponsored by the CIA

    • AlbertInTucson

      S.M.H.

  • AlbertInTucson

    The Bears’ team record for most TD passes in a season is 29 by Erik Kramer in 1995

    Question: Is there another NFL franchise that has never had a QB throw 30 or more TD passes in a single season?

    • madscout12

      Jags and Texans. Also, technically the new Browns.

      Doesn’t make me feel better about it.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Bortles threw 35 for The Jags in 2015.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Mac had 15 for us in ’85. That worked out pretty well.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Yep.

            His best season.

            Ever.

            He also threw 11 INTs that season.

            He never even threw 30 in any two seasons, COMBINED.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Browns records stay in Cleveland.

        Brian Sipe had a 30 TD season.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Bears took 76 season to have a guy pass for 29.

        Texans took 6 seasons.

        None of these stats should make any of us feel better.

        • Irish Sweetness

          How many Lombardis do the Texans have? I am not jealous of the Houston Texans.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “…but they’ve had a hard time hiding the fact that Glennon has struggled.”

    > Sackable offense for Pace, if true.

    “If he’s able to grasp the playbooks and adjust to the speed of the
    action, there really isn’t a good reason not to throw him in.”
    > There are many.

    “Forget about the fact that Trubisky played in a spread offense.
    > Why?

    ” He’ll have the quarterback/center exchange down after his first week in training camp…”

    > Is that a joke? Walsh and Belichick both say the footwork in between taking the snap and setting up is the most important thing in football. A week ??

    ” If the latter’s struggles continue into training camp and the preseason, the Bears need to make the future the present.”

    >Wow. Was Glennon expected to come in, absorb a thousand plays by osmosis, click immediately with all-new receivers …. and pick our new D apart? Can we wait and see how he does when the linemen are trying to actually kill him? Can we imagine what they’d be doing to Trubs?

    IFF Glennon really is shitting the bed …. then an 18M dummy on the bench means Ryan Pace should walk the plank. If the guy he chose to be the franchise guy for the year stinks ….. what odds he took the wrong QB in the draft?

    • CanadaBear

      The odds that Jeff and Andrew are right and Pace is wrong, are very low. I haven’t read or heard anything bad about Glennon’s play other than these two trying to stir up page hits.

      • BearDown100393

        Bloggers versus Pacebot. Epic battle lies ahead.

      • SC Dave

        Yup. As I said right away, this is merely click bait.

      • Irish Sweetness

        This. Where’s the beef? And wouldn’t it be a steep learning curve anyway?

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      why is it a sackable offense for Pace if Glennon struggles?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Because he paid the guy 18M. If you install a QB – even for just a season – if he’s the wrong guy and can’t even get out of the starting blocks … then you’re a pissy GM who should not be trusted with anything.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Glennon is just a bridge guy, and as a GM you got to take a shot. you don’t fire a guy for that, at least not on his first attempt. He got a FA and he drafted one. If they both don’t pan out then you fire him.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Through the first 7 weeks of this NFL season, no team has a tougher schedule than Bears. Three of the Bears first 4 games are against last year’s conference championship finalists.

    Overall, Bears have 10th toughest schedule. And most power rankings have ranked them as a bottom 5 team.

    23. Chicago Bears

    Mitchell Trubisky should probably hope he doesn’t get lucky and beat out Mike Glennon for the starting job before Week 1 because the Bears’ schedule is brutal to start the season. It’s the toughest in the NFL through Week 7. They play four top-10 games (most of any team) and no team they face in that stretch is ranked below 16th in projected win rankings. They face zero bottom-10 games before Week 8. However, from Week 11 onward, Chicago has by far the NFL’s easiest schedule. They are the only team without a single top-10 game in that stretch and play four bottom-10 games in these seven weeks, setting up a perfect time to transition to the rookie if needed.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/72810/298/superior-strength-of-schedule

    • willbest

      Problem is you don’t know who the movers and shakers are until the season gets going in Oct

  • CanadaBear

    Glad I don’t really give a shit about lists. The NFL’s top 100 list has Zeke in the top 10 and Jordan Howard isn’t even in the top 100. Not exactly shocking given the status of the Beloved these days but a little more than a head scratcher.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      what other running backs made the list?

      • CanadaBear

        AP @ 98, L. Blount @ 80, Ajayi @ 69, Freeman @ 41, Murray @ 33, McCoy @ 27 and D. Johnson @ 12.

        • madscout12

          AP and his 3 games, 72 yards, and 1.9 ypc. What production.

        • Howard’s def better than Blount.

          Is Blount even on a team?

          I would say he should be about Ajayi range.

          Freeman is good, but #41? Not sure about that, esp since he splits carries with Coleman and doesn’t face 8 in the box do to Julio Jones demanding S help.

    • SC Dave

      It’s a popularity contest, not an objective rating of football talent.

      • CanadaBear

        A lot of the list makes sense but there are some glaring mistakes. It seems all the mistakes involve bad teams getting short shrift and the popular teams (Cowgirls/Fudgies) getting a boost. Same as it ever was!

    • AlbertInTucson

      Lists=Space fillers.

    • Irish Sweetness

      And Jordan didn’t play in a few games …

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    My theory that the “Start Trub Now” meatballs are really butthurt Cutler meatballs is getting more confirmation with each passing day. These meatballs want to use the toughest schedule in the NFL as weapon to settle score for their beloved Cutler.

    Here is another blogger who is not trying to be as subtle as Jeff or Dannehy but just comes out and says what we have been suspecting. He says:


    “It’s a double-whammy for Glennon. He’ll be an easy target for scorned Cutler fans.

    The odds aren’t in Glennon’s favor. The Bears first four games are against some of the NFL’s elite teams: Atlanta Falcons (Week 1); Pittsburgh Steelers (Week 3); Green Bay Packers (Week 4).

    He’ll face his former team in Week 2.

    If Glennon starts the year 1-3, or 0-4, he may not make it to October as the starting quarterback. And, unfortunately for him, I think that’s exactly what Bears fans can expect to happen.”

    http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/06/24/what-to-expect-from-bears-qb-mike-glennon-in-2017/

    What these meatballs don’t talk about is say if their wish comes true and they start Trub week 1 and if he goes 0-4 or 1-6. Given the tough schedule, it is not hard to imagine Trub being 2-6 or 1-7 by the bye week.

    Do these meatballs then call for benching Trub and bring back Cutler from the Fox broadcasting booth? Or do they flock to a new savior in Shaw?

    Looks like it is going to be a tough season for Cutler meatballs.

    • BearDown100393

      Giraffe. Mitch. Connor. Sanchez.

      Makes no difference.

      Bears are running the table. With or without meatballs.

    • willbest

      I have never been mistaken for a Jayter. I think Glennon should start unless Mitch comes out in PS1 & 2 looking like a year 8 Peyton Manning followed by a Playoff Tom Brady in PS3.

      Don’t have a lot of hope for the season so Trub might as well watch Glennon the first half of the season and continue to learn the playbook and drill his footwork and live in the film room with Vic and birdcage breaking everything they see down with him

    • Irish Sweetness

      Here’s the thing – Gummo probably will have a howler in the first half of the season, our opponents kind of dictate that, and he’s a career 5-13 kind of guy.

  • CanadaBear

    I watched the Ward/Kovalev fight last night. Irish said Ward hit him in the dick 3 times and the ref did nothing. The last shot was low, barely. All the others were right on the belt line. When you pull your trunks up to Urkel level most refs aren’t going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Not to mention, Kovalev was looking for time outs throughout the fight. Why he didn’t just hit the deck in the 8th instead of just squatting on the rope is beyond me. Kovalev was gassed by the middle of the 5th rd. Not a real satisfying ending but the call was correct.

    • BearDown100393

      Payback for killing Apollo

    • Irish Sweetness

      Didn’t go back and watch it again, looked low at the time. He was done anyhow.

      • CanadaBear

        I know he was throwing more punches than Ward but he hired a new trainer just for this fight so this wouldn’t happen. Really seems odd. Apparently body blows are his kryptonite. Did you see Klitschko/Joshua? That was the best hywt title fight in a couple of decades. Both guys got off the mat.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Props to this girl for being brave. Happy PRIDE parade day to all.
    —–

    A 12-year old came out to her Mormon Church: “No part of me is a mistake.”
    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/22/us/mormon-girl-gay-speech.html?referer=http://m.facebook.com

    • Irish Sweetness

      Brave would be leaving the church. This is just attention-seeking. I left my church at about the same age – you don’t hang around going “accommodate me in whatever I choose to do!”

      If you’re part of a club that says ‘No X’ .. then you do X, and act like that club now owes you something ?….. no, you leave, or STFU. Right?

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