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Data Responds: Bears vs. Vikings

| October 10th, 2017

In rookie quarterback Mitchell Trubisky’s debut, the Bears got the ball to start, and marched right down the field. Trubisky looked sharp on several impressive throws, including one huge third down completion to Tre McBride that set Chicago up on Minnesota’s 9 yard line.

Except a holding penalty by center Cody Whitehair brought the Bears back to 3rd and 20 out of field goal range. One screen pass later, they punted, costing themselves at least three points.

That would lay the foundation for a frustrating first half of missed opportunities, when a long list of penalties (some more dubious than others) led to Chicago getting no offensive points despite passing midfield on four drives.

Unsurprisingly, those missed opportunities came back to haunt them in the second half, as a late Minnesota field goal led to a 20-17 win.

Coaching

  • They get their own section again, which usually means bad things. And we’re starting here, because it was terrible.
  • John Fox took too long to decide whether to go for it on 4th and 2 in the first quarter, which forced the Bears to call a time out. Out of the time out, they took too long to get the play in, resulting in a delay of game and punt. That was an ugly sequence that was 100% the fault of the coaches. Then in the 2nd half, they had to burn a time out when the Vikings had 1st and 19 due to confusion with defensive play calls.
  • The Bears were also incredibly sloppy early on, with several early penalties negating big plays and/or putting them behind the chains. Some of the calls didn’t seem particularly great by the officials, but overall they need to get out of their own way and stop beating themselves. That’s the mark of a poorly coached team.
  • Dowell Loggains also had a terrible game. He fell into predictable patterns we’ve seen through four games, with obvious runs on 1st down and too many horizontal passes. They ran out of heavy sets and threw out of shotgun, with not enough variability mixed into those sets. This routinely set the Bears up in 3rd and long situations, which is not where you want a rookie quarterback (or any offense, really) to be. To his credit, Loggains did have a beautiful play call on a game-tying 2 point conversion in the 4th quarter, but overall he had a rough night.

  • Let’s throw Vic Fangio in here too. He had a great game plan for limiting the Vikings when the injured, immobile Sam Bradford was in, but didn’t adjust when the mobile Case Keenum replaced him. Part of that may have been due to injuries, as John Timu added to the injured Jerrell Freeman and Nick Kwiatkoski and suspended Danny Trevathan to mean Chicago was down to their 4th and 6th inside linebackers for the whole 2nd half. But sooner or later you need to figure out some way to help your players execute, and Fangio was unable to do that.
  • Let’s give some credit to special teams coordinator Jeff Rodgers, who drew up a beautiful fake punt that his players executed to perfection for a touchdown. Credit also to punter Pat O’Donnell for a nice pass to Benny Cunningham on the play.

Offense

  • Rookie quarterback Mitchell Trubisky made his long awaited debut, and it was a mixed bag. He made some incredible throws, highlighted his impressive tool set, and also had some rookie mistakes, most notably his terrible interception late in the fourth quarter. All in all I’d say there was more good than bad, though the final stat line isn’t exactly impressive. His teammates didn’t do him any favors, but Trubisky still showcased quick decision making abilities, impressive athleticism, and incredible accuracy on the run. He needs to get better at recognizing defenses, but the tools are all there. Growing pains are inevitable with a young quarterback, and we saw plenty of them tonight.
  • Tight end Dion Sims had an atrocious night, with several drops and poor routes run in the passing game. On one particularly egregious play, he was the designed read on 3rd and 3 and was supposed to run a short out route to the chains. He rounded his route off such that he was well over a yard short of the first down, and then dropped the throw for good measure. He’s been a major disappointment so far this year, and it might be time to see more Adam Shaheen.
  • Speaking of free agent signees who had atrocious nights, Markus Wheaton is bad. Yet the Bears continue to play him and force him the ball, which needs to stop. They need to get him off the field in favor of Tre McBride or Deonte Thompson, or Tanner Gentry off of the practice squad.
  • The offensive line also struggled in this game, though in their defense Minnesota’s front seven is awfully good. Cody Whitehair continued his poor start to the season with an awful hold that negated a big gain on an early 3rd down and several extremely shaky shotgun snaps, and Charles Leno struggled with false starts and gave up an easy sack to Everson Griffen that forced a Trubisky fumble late in the first half.
  • Running back Benny Cunningham seems to have earned the 3rd down back role, but he didn’t exactly do much with it tonight. He had two screens called his way, dropping one and ailing to generate any sort of movement in the other (to his credit, he did have a nice catch and run for a touchdown on a fake punt). Still, coaches trust his blocking over the more dynamic Tarik Cohen, which should keep him in the role for now.
  • Speaking of Cohen, it was a rough game for the rookie dynamo. Minnesota keyed in on him and kept him in check, and he went sideways and backwards too much trying to make a big play happen all the time. The Bears need to figure out how to use the attention he draws from opposing defenses to open things up for others. He also had a rough night on special teams, dancing too much on returns and calling one fair catch when nobody was within 15 yards of him. Consequently it was Eddie Jackson and not Cohen who handled the last punt return.

Defense

  • The defense did not give up points on the opening drive, forcing a three and out instead. That usually means good things for Chicago under this regime when it comes to winning games. They held for another three and out on the second drive. As Andrew Dannehy noted, the Bears were 7-4 under Fox when that happens (which is pretty impressive considering they were 10-25 overall under Fox). That now falls to 7-5, and 10-26.
  • The defense went with a conservative approach that seemed to stymie Minnesota at first. They dropped a lot of bodies into coverage, especially focusing on taking away underneath crossing routes that the Vikings love to run. It worked, at least until the crippled Sam Bradford left and was replaced by Case Keenum. Then the Vikings’ offense clicked into overdrive and made mince-meat of the Bears. They didn’t do anything overly complicated, but got the ball out in space and exposed Chicago’s inability to tackle in the open field. To Chicago’s credit, they were able to re-adjust and hold Minnesota in check for most of the 4th quarter.
  • After John Timu went out on the first drive of the 3rd quarter, the defense struggled making play calls. Timu was the one designated to do that with Chicago’s top 3 inside linebackers out, and Christian Jones, who replaced him in that role, was clearly not prepared for that aspect of the job.
  • One thing that didn’t work so well was generating turnovers. Defenders managed to get their hands on several Sam Bradford passes, but couldn’t bring them in. Adrian Amos and Christian Jones both had gimme picks go straight through their hands.
  • HELLO LEONARD FLOYD! Chicago’s second-year edge rusher had a monster game, with 2 sacks, a safety, and a drawn holding penalty (though he quieted down significantly after the immobile Bradford left the game). He also came up with a big run stop in the 2nd half that helped force a Minnesota punt, giving the offense a chance to tie the game. Hopefully he can build off of this and have the breakout season we all hoped for.
  • Of course, Floyd did get called for a defensive hold that negated a big 3rd down stop right after the 2 minute warning. Like many calls on this evening, it looked very suspect.
  • Defensive end Akiem Hicks got in on that action as well, with two sacks of his own. He continues to be the best player on Chicago’s defense, and likely their entire roster.
  • Rookie safety Eddie Jackson had himself a nice game as well. On two different third downs he broke up a pass to force a punt. He’s already established himself as Chicago’s best safety.

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  • 1st draft pick!

    This was an all around loss.

    Early on, team came out like zombies. Penalties. Birdcage constipated. P
    couldn’t pin them inside 10 even though he was punting from the 50.

    Strip sack because Birdcage decided going empty set on 1st was a great idea even though we have Cohen and Howard

    3-2

    post Halftime, let them march down the field. Score on a clown play where the D wasn’t even set.

    More penalties. More passes on 3rd and short (I bet we have the worst 3rd
    down conversion rate) even though Howard was ripping off chunks.

    Could no longer stop the run because Anderson sucks.

    Genius Fox lets 20 odd seconds run out at the end of the 3rd because he doesn’t mind being down with such HOFer WRs.

    In-spite of allllll that, Bears get the ball back with 2:40 ish.

    Trub throws soul-crushing Cutleresque INT.

    Game.

    • BuddhaJoe

      Hey no fair, you just reposted this.

    • madscout12

      Next week, he throws that ball away and lives for another play. There will be more growing pains, but it needs to happen.

      The rest of the O and Birdcage needs to man the hell up. They fucked the rook…hard…on his debut. D was lights out until the injury. Even then, they played inspired.

      • It truly was a team loss because we have a roster of losers.

        Whitehair high snapping and more penalties

        Iffy penalty on Wheaton which negated a Howard TD and reversed momentum.

        No TOs once more from our D.

        Constipated play calling by Birdcage until really the 2nd half on one drive

        There’s NO reason the Bears on MNF with 11 days to prepare on Solider Field should come out like zombies

        P had bad game.

        Return didn’t so much.

        Fox coached teams do just enough to lose.

        They like finding new ways to fuck up

        • SC Dave

          “Iffy penalty on Wheaton which negated a Howard TD”

          That horseshit call was the play of the game. Minnesota MVP was whoever the asshole was that threw that flag.

          • yeah, that was huge. Refs played an outsized role in this game, but it’s on the Bears to put themselves in a position where that doesn’t matter. Too many of the wounds in the 1st half were self-inflicted or this would have been an easy W.

          • SC Dave

            And it was all on the offense. They completely failed – story of a season, except for the Pittsburgh game, when they relied on Howard.

          • the PIT game is the only one where they’ve gotten turnovers, which directly led to 10 of their 17 regulation points.

            For all the strides the defense has made, they still can’t turn the ball over. They dropped 2 gimme INTs tonight.

          • SC Dave

            The offense was given the ball in great field position the entire first half, except for the opening kickoff. They did NOTHING with it. ZERO points – not even a fucking attempt at a field goal.

            And when they turned it over inside their own damn red zone, the defense held the Queens to a FG, just enough to overcome the safety they scored.

            I’m sorry, but this game is entirely on the offense. Including the Savior.

          • madscout12

            Savior got them inside FG range 2+ times, and it was called back by penalties both times. Howard scored 6, and called back by penalties. One of those goes our way, and we’re not talking loss here.

          • AlbertInTucson

            If the broadcast crew is discussing the zebra crew and their history of ticky-tack calls FIVE MINUTES into the game, said zebra crew needs a memo from the home office to either stop being the focus of games or be prepared to have their weekends free.

      • The first 4 weeks of this season felt like a QB holding the offense back.

        The first half of this game felt like the offense holding the QB back.

        2nd half wasn’t as great from Trubisky, but my god he came out on fire.

    • SC Dave

      “More passes on 3rd and short (I bet we have the worst 3rd
      down conversion rate) even though Howard was ripping off chunks.”

      The Trubisky Effect.

    • fishing florida

      you post like a 12 year old. lol.

  • I look back to two throws Trubisky made tonight:

    1) His 1st one on 3rd down to Kendall Wright. 20 yards on a dime to get it in bounds. That’s a big-boy NFL throw.

    2) The deep shot to Wheaton on a dime that was somehow called OPI. That was 50 yards on a rope while on the run evading pressure. I’ve never seen another QB who can make that pass besides Aaron Rodgers.

    • Phillip MyCrevice

      His throw to Tre McBride that was called back on Whiteboy was an even better throw. It travels 40 yards in the air and is tracking a wideout moving perpendicular to the thrower’s arm.

      • Irish Sweetness

        And Deonte probably catches it.

    • willbest

      Yes he can make accurate throws. Its going to get him picked off like he did though. He forced it into tight spaces a lot tonight. And yes its because our WRs are dog shit and aren’t getting open, but we are going to train him to rely on that.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Yeah, can’t always be throwing to the numbers. Gotta make your receivers jump and fight for it. The offensive playcalling has to spread out a little more and allow Mitch to throw them deeper, but we nees WRs that can burn fast and jump for it. Not sure how we get that at this point.

    • Irish Sweetness

      And this is what we need to hold onto. Injuries have fucked us. Long limped off. If anything happens to Hicks (who has a bum ankle) or Floyd you can turn out the lights.

      Mitch is a bright light. We might only have one candle but we can start a pretty big fire with it.

  • Overall I was VERY disappointed by Dowell Loggains tonight. Need to see more creativity from him, this looked far too similar to the play calls with Mike Glennon under center.

    Run out of the fucking shotgun. It’s not that damn complicated.

    Do less runs out of 2-3 TE sets on 1st down, defenses are 100% ready for that. And use that to your advantage in the passing game with play action, dammit.

    • madscout12

      No! I will run in the heavy on first down, and pass out of empty out of first down. We will be great despite this and having no weapons.

    • BerwynBomber

      Maybe Whitehair”s snapping issues come into play.

      I also think Loggains made a concerted effort to protect Bisky with play-action.

      • SC Dave

        That and I thought we had a particularly bad game from the refs. Even worse than we usually get from them.

        It’s all because of that goddamn Super Bowl Shuffle. The NFL has hated the Bears ever since they showed up the league with that garbage.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I’m not sure, but by the end of the game I think the numbers of flags evened out.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Western Union Offense: We Telegraph a lot of plays.

    • Birdcage seemed more creative with Barkley.

      Da fuq

    • Irish Sweetness

      The ST coordinator outplayed everyone, ballsy on the fake punt. But that two-pointer Miller-Mitch flip was sweet as.

  • Phillip MyCrevice

    Freeman, Strawberry Kwik, Trevathan, Timu. All down.

    Timu making calls with Jones being the big body in there was fine, but once down, it was a mess. A mess.

    Fangio went to DIME ALL THE TIME (Dime Time) and then it was jet sweep this and that and the Vikes just attacked the OLB zones with sweeps and it was ugly.

    I’ve had my fill of Chucky, but when he’s right he’s right. We can’t go downfield because nobody can separate from even the 3rd CB.

    • SC Dave

      Ours receivers are 1970s era bad. Though shit, at least Dick Gordon was around.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Our best receiver is on the bench. That doesn’t help. Things will improve once they yank Wheaton out of there.

        • SC Dave

          No doubt.

    • Irish Sweetness

      They raped us up the middle once CJ went out.

  • BuddhaJoe

    I was more forgiving of the coaching staff than a lot of people, but this shit was ridiculous. Delay of game after a time out? Doing absolutely nothing to spread out the Minnesota D? Fangio failed to compensate for the whole in the middle of the D? Ugh.

    • Phillip MyCrevice

      Somebody probably ties Jones shoes for him. He’s a knuckle dragging double digit IQ guy. W/o Timu, the calls were not there.

      Jones had HIS BACK TO THE LOS on the snap that goes for the TD.

      • BuddhaJoe

        He’s just doing what he can, he’s like #6 on the depth chart. That’s just bad injury luck.

        • Joecashflow

          Please don’t mention #6 again

    • Don’t forget burning a TO AFTER Min just called theirs.

      That TO may have helped.

  • BerwynBomber

    We didn’t lose this game because of coaching.

    We lost the game because they were the better team and Bradford wasn’t around in the second half to help us out.

    The coaching actually scored us nine points tonight on the fake punt and slick two pointer.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Special teams though did good….but overall, it was Fox and the Zebras, and that taints the entire bushel

    • Bear Instincts

      How many times is that fake punt going to work? We need a sustainable offense not trick

  • SC Dave

    The Trubisky Effect was in full force.

    The fans, coaches, media, everyone all on the shiny new toy. And so they forgot to get The Most Important Piece of the Bears offense into the game.

    Jordan Howard.

    Yeah, okay, so the refs stole a 4x yard (what 43?) TD. Did that mean you had to throw ill-conceived (and sometimes ill-executed) passes to bad receivers on 3rd and 2?

    • willbest

      19 carries for 76 yards. He got his touches. And he is 1 dimensional Dave. He has bricks for hands.

      • SC Dave

        He needed five or six more touches. And not get screwed out of the best one.

        • Completely agree.

          He was getting them to 3rd and short. Then birdcage would make Trub pass to PS WRs, or get cute with reverses or pitchouts, etc

          If the Bears keep feeding Howard, he eventually breaks one.

          He did tonight, but yeah, it got called back on a BS call.

        • willbest

          So your theory is if howard isn’t getting 45% of the offensive attempts we are doing it wrong?

          • It’s not really about % but WHEN to use him.

            ESPN showed a stat that when we’re in 3TE sets, it’s like 97% chance we’re running.

            The S would crash hard when we were in tank. Later, Trub actually threw for that TD in that set, which is good change of pace, albeit, with major luck since it was tipped.

            on 3rd and 2, RUN it. Unless u see 8 in the box. And even then, how about a naked bootleg or zoneread?

            This is why our 3rd down conversion is terrible. Pass when we should run.

          • and they have yet to run out of shotgun this year. Too predictable

      • Irish Sweetness

        That’s not a bad defense we played. no defense is more experienced.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I thought Loggains tried to force his will on a Minny defense that can stuff the run. Mitch could have had a few more play-actions called for him. We were just wasting downs trying to run it sometimes.

      • SC Dave

        Well, I disagree, but I understand why you say it. With guys like Howard, you can’t give up because a couple of plays don’t work.

        You’re absolutely right on the play-action thing. But of course for that to work, you have to run the ball.

  • BuddhaJoe

    I get he has a ton of drops, but at least Bellamy can get open. Gotta have at least a chance of a deep threat or you’ll see exactly what you saw tonight and most of the season. Stacking the box and tons of QB pressure. Nobeody’s gonna succeed with that, and what should be a great running game is suffering because of it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Bellamy, Thompson and Wright are good enough for Mitch to hit.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Stating The Obvious: Even Trubisky needs decent people to throw to.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    From last thread….but to respond to someone else to my comment, it isn’t because of my observation of one game tonight…it’s because of many games under Fox:

    My takeaway? Mitch has the talent. But the talent and playcalling around him will not elevate himself or anyone else. Fox is beyond borrowed time and it isn’t only because of his handling of the QB situation. His presence, gameplanning, adjustment, and on field decisions are all awful.

    Pace almost gave up too much on Mitch for this shitshow. It’s time to pull the trigger to salvage the season. Fire Fox now, we’re going to be terrible anyways. Get some stability for the younger guys now rather than fuck them up all season. We’ll get high picks anyways to help them out. Ugh.

    • Phillip MyCrevice

      God I hate these posts.

      Dude, if MARC TRESTMAN can make it to the end of a season then ANYBODY CAN. He had an OPEN REVOLT in the locker room and KROMER GOT SHITCANNED TRYING TO SCAPEGOAT.

      Briggs refused to stay in the locker room to DRESS after a game.

      The family NEVER FIRES COACHES *during* a season. It does not happen.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        You hate these posts, but that doesn’t make what I said any less valid. Like I said, this isn’t a one game issue and this is absolutely inexcuseable . The NFL for the almost past 20 years has been an offense first and protect at all cost mindset with increasing emphasis on that and QBs in the far future.

        It’ll take death of Virginia and the kids selling team to turn this stagnant mediocre to terrible culture that is the Bears around.

        However, for how much “credance” and “respect” Fox has from peers alike in the NFL, this stint absolutely tarnishes anything he’s done in the past.

        • Phillip MyCrevice

          Fox is a terrible field general, as we saw with the delay penalty which was a joke. Running out the clock in the 3rd Q then needing that time back at the end.

          But he also has been stiffed with a terrible roster full of guys that seem to always injure themselves.

          Fox’s NFL rep is no more matter to him. His next stop is retirement anyway.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I totally get your point about the McCaskeys never firing anyone midseason. I am just hoping with Pace being more intuned with modern NFL nuances and trends, he won’t give a shit about anything “good ol boys club”. Just the way Fox is handling the current young guys, it is in my opinion, detrimental to Paces rebuild strategy, ESPECIALLY if everyone knows Fox is a lame duck.

          • Phillip MyCrevice

            It’s a shame we don’t have a guy like Mike McCoy or SOMEBODY who has a track record of developing a QB.

            Birdcage has no track record of developing a young QB and Fox’s big achievement in the NFL is Jake Delhomme and that Panthers team that made to the big dance (and lost).

            I fear that Birdcage has nothing else to teach or show Trub and it’s just a long season of the stuff we already saw.

            The advanced stat thing was interesting if you read it: When Bears go 1WR/1RB/3TE they have 22 runs and 3 passes.

            In shotgun it’s almost the exact opposite.

            I mean shit. You can read Birdcage’s plays by just looking at the formation and substitutions.

          • Yup. Esp on 3rd down. Fuck, I was calling some plays, and I’m no fucking Romo.

      • Bear Instincts

        Anything is possible if Lovie gets tossed aside after going 10-6 for Trestman

        • Phillip MyCrevice

          What a weird thing to say. But sure, anything is possible.

        • 2+2=5 . Impossible
          Fox outcoaching anyone. Also impossible.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I have to agree firing Fox in season is something that is NOT going to happen, just like McCaskey’s selling the team before Ginny dies. So why keep bringing it up, it is a useless argument/solution. It would be like me not fucking anyone because I am holding out for Scarlett Johansson. I am 38 years old, got a gut, kind of an asshole, and live in Central Illinois. So I understand that dating Scarlett is NEVER going to happen. So I deal with the hand I am dealt and I am going fuck whatever comes my way.

      • BerwynBomber

        Firing Fox after tonight’s game wouldn’t make the franchise look good.

        Most likely he is with us until the end of the year.

  • Phillip MyCrevice

    Is Cody really a loser?

    I don’t think so. You blame coaching when you see him snapping high in shotgun like that. A coach works that out with him. Our coaches suck.

    • madscout12

      A coach doesn’t put a borderline PBer at 3 fucking positions in the preseason.

      • Phillip MyCrevice

        Whitehair should have stayed at center, Grasu could have been cut for all he was worth. Moving Cody back to guard was panic.

  • Malice Halice

    Yea we can be salty at the zebras but honestly Cody Whitehair has the highest percentage of blame for our loss. Then I’d say coaching and whoever ruined Howard’s TD run.

    • madscout12

      They were just brutal tonight. Rewatch that hit on Wheaton. Last week happens and you PICK UP THAT FLAG!?!?!?!?!?

      Fuck the NFL.

      • Malice Halice

        Yea that hit on Wheaton was BS

      • SC Dave

        There will be an apology, and a fine. And another loss for Chicago.

        • madscout12

          But he won’t get suspended, will he? Cause Wheaton is a JAG and not a Packer.

    • the refs ruined Howard’s TD run. They called a phantom hold on Wheaton.

      • Malice Halice

        Should’ve blocked better. Done with excuses man.

        • SC Dave

          Then stop making them for Trubisky.

          • Malice Halice

            There’s no excuse for Mitchell. He did great! Everyone else on O was trash

          • Joecashflow

            Oline played fine and Tru makes them better. No easy sacks on an athletic QB.

          • SC Dave

            How trollish of you.

        • That’s just it… on that one play, they blocked incredibly well.

          But overall I agree. You can’t blame a loss on the refs. They’re human and are going to make mistakes.

          Your job is to play so well that the ref’s mistakes don’t cost you the game. The Bears failed to do that. They had plenty of chances to finish this one early and didn’t capitalize.

          • madscout12

            Except that the mistakes only went one way.

          • We only remember the ones that hurt the Bears. I’m sure there were some bad calls that went the other way too. Vikings actually had more penalties called on them than Chicago did.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Bears got 4 first downs via penalty.

          • Malice Halice

            No excuses

          • Malice Halice

            Period! Plain n simple

      • SC Dave

        Yup. The play of the game.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Because “Bad teams get bad calls.”.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DBB: “Bears didn’t deserve to lose this game.”

    Of COURSE they did!

    “ ‘Deserves’ has got nothin to do with it.”_William Munny (Clint Eastwood).

    • willbest

      And the era of Jeff Trubisky apologia begins. If you throw an INT on your own 30, in a tie game with 2 minutes left to play. You deserve to lose.

      Yes we got jobbed by the refs, but we did plenty of spectacularly stupid things ourselves. And at the end of the day we had a chance to win, and blew it.

      • Malice Halice

        N that’s all! I forgot who mentioned it earlier but it should’ve been a blowout by the 2nd qtr. we missed out on WAY too many points

      • BerwynBomber

        Seems like it’s more the coach’s fault from what I can tell of the blog. The play-calling critics are out in full force. Loggains blew it!!! Fox should be fired immediately!!!

        I like what Bisky showed. MIN is still a damn tough D. The kid played well given the context.

        But he is also is lucky he wasn’t picked three times. That pass he tried to throw in Barr’s hands while under pressure was Cutler-level in terms of panicked decision-making.

        Bottom line MIN is the better team and they (wisely) replaced Bradford with Keenum. Why they started Bradford to begin with I have no idea.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Well, when you have 10 days off and you’re a professional football team and you decide to start your rookie that you almost gave the farm for….well, yeah I would say yes, the coaches must ABSOLUTELY gameplan according to what that player can or can’t do to their best ability. It’s ok to at least expect that.

          However, that 4th down timeout/delay of game..that can seriously demoralize many players to think “Uh, WTF? Seriously now? This is what we should probably be dealing with the rest of the game. Fuck. My. Life.”

          • BerwynBomber

            And you don’t think the coaching staff game-planned to Bisky’s strengths?

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I feel they were too conservative for a bit….granted, it’s his first start. But he is not a qb to be throwing the ball 8 to 10 yards every other throw he takes. It is possible that he could elevate others around him with his skill set, but we won’t know if the play isn’t allowing it. The WRs, however, are just that bad. So it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Ultimately, the playcalling isn’t helping anyone.

          • BerwynBomber

            So that was a lot of word salad but I’m sensing you didn’t think they passed enough.

            I tend to think we would have seen more mistakes if they had. Thought the coaching staff did fine in keeping things simple for him and giving him plays (lots of boots) that he is comfortable with.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            My bad if I don’t make sense….tired. Plus, typing on here is worse than anything. Delayed and bad autocorrect….

          • BerwynBomber

            No worries. I should have laid off the critique. Lord knows my own writing on here can be butt ugly.

            Anyway agree to disagree about the coaching tonight.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            My main thing is this: I’m getting older, 2nd kid almost here. Watch my 1st one while wife works midnights and I try to work when I’m able to. So much shit to do, haven’t been on this blog much, finally able to watch some sports and Bears…and this is what we get. Just sucks when life is rough and you want to at least watch something decent and we get a shitshow. Buuut, at least being here makes it tolerable with you guys.

          • Joecashflow

            Take some good out of it. Rookie QB played better than just ok. Penalties took us out of scoring plays. Almost a win. QB learning curve.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Oh yes, SCREW the auto correct this thing.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The telegraphing of plays by formation is maddening.

          • Joecashflow

            Seems to be passed down as a Bears tradition.

          • SC Dave

            Yes. They rolled him out a shit load of times.

        • SC Dave

          To say nothing of a TD that was pretty damn lucky.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yah. They scored more points. No grumbles. Came down to the interception, but Barth could have missed from any range.

  • Phillip MyCrevice

    Fuller needs to go back in the doghouse. Again he was way off on coverage and dragging on B&R. Back to looking like a nickel back pressed into being a press corner hateful and against his will.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Why is discussing point spread for college football a THING/segment on the Sportscenter SVP show? SMH, adding unnecessary drama to a nonprofessional sport? Yikes

  • Joecashflow

    Great recap Data. I saw our QB against a great D avoid many many sacks and turn some of them into completions with darts. He needs WRs like Gentry for down field threat.

    • his mobility and ability to throw on the run completely change the offense.

      Now the play calling needs to more consistently account for that.

      • and I am 100% on board with replacing Wheaton with Gentry at this point. At least Gentry fights for the ball.

        Like with Glennon, you know what you have with Wheaton, and it’s bad. Try the younger player who might not be bad.

        • Joecashflow

          Will have to watch again, but Tru seems locked on instead of progressions. In first half on missed 3rd down I saw left TE wide open.

        • willbest

          Wheaton wasn’t a Pittsburgh cap casualty. That should be a clue that he isn’t considered particularly great. He is basically James Jones.

          • James Jones was a competent NFL WR. I’d take James Jones in his physical prime on the Bears right now.

          • BerwynBomber

            Competent with Rodgers. Hanging on by a thread and eventually out of the league with anyone else.

            But I get your point in comparison to our current roster.

        • Maybe someone else OTHER than Pace should be responsible for signing WRs.

          • willbest

            Bring back Emery

        • Irish Sweetness

          Did Thompson piss on your chips? He’s our best fucking receiver!

      • BerwynBomber

        So you want to see even more boots?

        • SC Dave

          I thought there were plenty.

    • Phillip MyCrevice

      +1 Gentry.

      A Bears team is not right w/o a white WR.

      #WaddleTheory

      • Joecashflow

        Give me Waddle guts any day.

      • Waddle can suit up right now and be their best WR

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Or Jags Defense

        • Irish Sweetness

          (Deonte THompson jumps up and down on the spot)

          CAN YOU GUYS SEE ME ??

    • Malice Halice

      Fuck, give Steve Smith whatever he wants just for a year

      • Irish Sweetness

        Calvin Mofo Johnson.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    When the camera goes to Pace in the booth, he’s always writing….

    I wonder what he is writing…hmmm…

    • Joecashflow

      Dear Mr. Harbaugh…..

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Harbaugh isn’t leaving, trust me. He needs all control and butted heads with 49er management and owners here and there (both sides at fault really).

        2nd highest paid coach in NCAA and Michigan is his alma mater, and he gets complete control of the football program.

        He just needs to recruit a damn good qb though.

        • EnderWiggin

          You are forgetting one thing. Jim is a Bear. For life. He wants it.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Control is what he wants. Bears owners won’t allow that, even if Virginia dies and kids sell team, new owners would be a crapshoot whether they’d allow it or not. But Harbaugh would also be taking a huge paycut. It definitely won’t happen soon if things did change.

          • EnderWiggin

            I see your point. But, there was this one time though that the family (granted, Da Man was still alive) did give a coach full control. And we brought home the trophy.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            And then they ran him out as quick as anybody was able to enjoy the ride.

            I follow both NFL and NCAA quite closely but I don’t think most of you remember that I am a die hard Michigan fan. Seeing Harbaugh go from Stanford to 49ers and then to Michigan, his aura about him is completely different. He is loving being at Michigan. But at 49ers, you could tell his demeanor was all tension and irritability. Granted, he’s an annoying manchild at times, but it seems like he is very happy in Ann Arbor.

            I just don’t see him wanting to work under the McCaskeys. I think he’s learned his lesson.

          • EnderWiggin

            Dang, you makin’ me sad. An Ender can dream, can’t he?

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Not trying to be the Peter in your life, my bad, lol

          • SC Dave

            Ran him out? I assume you’re talking about the 49ers, and not Ender’s comment about “da Man”.

            Ditka coached the Bears for seven years after the Super Bowl,
            and squandered one of the very best rosters ever assembled.

          • BerwynBomber

            You sure he is that beholden to the Bears? The best part of his playing career was with the Colts.

          • EnderWiggin

            This is kind of old, but I see this kind of hype all the time – http://sportsmockery.com/2017/05/jim-harbaugh-serious-candidate-coach-bears-2018/

            So, I’m not sure if the McCasky/Harbough connection is a real thing. But I am sure that Jim is a die hard Bear for life and he has been on record saying that Chicago is his dream job.

          • I think Jim would LOVE winning a SB and knocking Ditka off that platform a bit.

          • EnderWiggin

            Haha, that too.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fucking welded to that platform with titanium mix my friend.

      • Joecashflow

        Yes, he won’t leave. Shits for grins only.

      • AlbertInTucson

        “Dear Mr. Harbaugh, unlike the Wolverines, we HAVE a QB, so…

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Haha, touche

      • Irish Sweetness

        …. have you got Chucky Gruden’s home number please?

  • BerwynBomber
    • Malice Halice

      Bears mojo

    • BearDown100393

      Greatest year to date?

      The guy is whacked.

  • Malice Halice

    Ike Taylor clownin tho

  • BerwynBomber

    Btw, Amos even had a PD tonight. And a legitimate one. That might have been the first time I have EVER seen him make a good play on a ball in the air.

    But he also seemed to be M.I.A. on a few of those longer McKinnon runs.

    Eddie Jackson had his best game as a pro. Really good stuff from him tonight. The INT is nigh.

    • Malice Halice

      I can’t wait till Pace cash out in FA. I can tell this off-season is about WR’s n D. Damn, sounds awful familiar

      • BerwynBomber

        I’m wondering if we go LB next year ahead of secondary. Trevathan is good and so is Freeman but the latter’s getting old and I’m not sure about Kiatowski.

        Might be that we have to draft a guy to team up with DannyT.

        • madscout12

          Need OLB. Badly.

        • SC Dave

          Freeman is much better than Trevathan, and both have been in the league since 2012.

          • BerwynBomber

            But Freeman played three years of CFL before the NFL. He’ll be 32 next off-season.

    • Irish Sweetness

      need a re-watch to see where he was on passing downs …

  • EnderWiggin

    What a ride, folks!

    Here’s my quick take on the game –

    I had fun! Sure, there was some head-scratching shit going on(TO then delay, the Howard run called back, the PICKED up flag on defenseless receiver, etc, etc.)
    But, I had fun. I can’t even begin to imagine what shitstorm Zimmer brings Glennon.
    I feel like Princess Leih – hope. I have hope for the future, hope for next week, hope that we can shit out an OT, 3 WRs, an edge rusher, and another MLB; then we’ll be set.

  • EnderWiggin

    Hey Wood – great job the first quarter of this season. These notes you are taking are very helpful to all of us for recapping, bantering, and arguing. When Blogfather would keep that game day thread up all night it would get to be too much. This really freshens things up.
    Also, you seem to do a wonderful job at keeping it unbiased. Man, if I was writing this shit up, I’d be going off on the refs so hard that NFL lawyers would be knocking on my door when I wake up.

    • Agree Data. It must be annoying taking notes during the game, so tip o the cap to taking one for the team.

      And spitting out a thread faster than the buffet disappearing beneath Biggsy’s fork.

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  • Joecashflow

    Off the top of your head…anybody….name a game that Fox won.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      He won at sucking?

    • None. That’s why I found the “If we would’ve played Trub from the start Bears win” argument funny.

      As long as Fox is our HC, we’re handicapped.

      He’s the Glennon of HCs.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Plus, that win against Steelers? Looking worse and worse

    • madscout12

      Few games do I feel we have the smarter staff.

      • Joecashflow

        We got out coached AGAIN in the second.half today. Had little to do with Bradford on the bench.

    • CanadaBear

      When he was with Carolina and they pantsed Lovie with the Steve Smith game.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If Mitch doesn’t pooch it at the end, the fake punt and two pointer would have looked pretty nifty.

  • I think McPhee was actually lining up the D in the 4rth

    I wonder if that’s what ended up happening, or if he was just lining up the Dline

    McPhee was also playing cat and mouse audibles with the Vike Qbs, and it looked like McPhee outsmarted them, checking into the right plays to stop them.

    Other non-depressing details.

    Secondary are not hawks, but neither do they bend over. Stopping Diggs and Thielan is no small feat. And they’ve contained some other big names like Julio Jones.

    Fuller really seems to have turned it around, and Callahan basically shut down Thielan who was red hot.

    Amos didn’t look completely lost and per usual delivered the wood.

    The Dline is still shrinking the pocket while containing the run. It wasn’t until Jones had to playcall and Anderson tackle that they fell apart.

    The punt-pass-TD was ballsy and executed perfectly. Credit to whomever made that play.

    Howard is such a soldier. It looked like his right arm went limp , and he was walking out with a claw hand.

    Thought he was done.

    Only misses a play, then returns and still lowers his shoulder. Man. Tough sob.

    Before Long went down, I noticed he was burying dudes. Don’t know if he’s hurt again, but our Oline in general did a good job, except for WH snaps and some penalties (but with those refs…)

    Trub will soon learn that the secondary at the NFL level closes in MUCH faster than at college. He found out a 6’5 265 Hunter runs practically as fast as he does.

    He looks deadly accurate, but obviously needs to learn when to hold em and when to fold em

    Wright started off hot. Dunno why we went away from him.

    Cohen tries to break every run to the outside, and Ds now know this. That being said, they still get caught off guard how quick he is.

    Floyd had a great game (and an iffy penalty at the end). 2 sacks. A safety. and he forced a holding which is like a sack.

    Jackson seems vveeery close to an INT. Once he stops having to think, he’ll play faster, and some of those will turn into INTs.

    • Joecashflow

      Agree. Lots of positives. Now if we can just start playing with positive turnover ratio, we’ll win a few.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Requiring a ballsy defensive philosophy to apply pressure and take the ball away?

        (scratches chin)

    • BerwynBomber

      Diggs, I believe, was dinged, which seems to be a frequent thing for him.

      Keenum was the difference. Their O scored 17 in the second half with him under center and he had a 115 PR. If your O puts up 17 every half you’re generally going to win a lot of a games.

      I thought we played well overall. And I thought our coaching staff did fine too. And yes, Bisky struggled but also flashed. All against one of the league’s better Ds.

      Nothing to be ashamed of.

      Just that the Bears MVP tonight — Sam Bradford — could only go a half.

      • Agree about Diggs, but even while in, he didn’t do much. Maybe that was Bradford too, but only see what’s there.

        And Theilan was arguably the best slot in the league, and he was basically nulled (thanks, was going up against him in FF)

        The D lost because it got outsmarted, and that’s partially on Fangio.

        They wore out, but Jones not setting up the D on time led directly to that long TD run.

        But the Vikes began going quick count because they new Jones was not ready, so Fangio to an extent got outsmarted. Shouldv’e told the D to line up faster OR go with simpler looks –

        Not ideal, but better.

        By the end of the game, they adjusted and actually DID stop the Vikes to give Trub the ball with 2mins to win the game.

        Then Trub throws an INT. Game over. (and they still stopped the Vikes from getting a 1st at the end).

        • BerwynBomber

          Though I believe Thielan had a couple of key snags in the second half.

          Yeah, the LB corps was shot and undoubtedly confused. Was that James Anderson in there at the end? Wasn’t that guy on our team four years ago? Did we just pick him up off waivers or something?

          Fuck I half-expected to hear Daryl Sharpton’s named called. The Rev!

          • John Anderson who’s been on and off PS for a few years now.

            And yeah, he looked lost and getting owned.

            Theilan had 5 underneath catches for 38yds. That’s nothing to write home about.

            Wright had 4 catches for 46 yds to put that in perspective.

        • CanadaBear

          I’m not gonna bury Fangio because the 5th play caller on D was sub par. Really disappointing but I think most teams would be fucked in that situation. Can’t get over how one position can be so snake bit.

        • SC Dave

          “They wore out, but Jones not setting up the D on time led directly to that long TD run.”

          Yeah, that sucked. We’re supposed to get long TD runs, not the other guys.

  • madscout12

    Might be nice, just once, to make a game not close in our favor. Then refs can’t do anything to screw us.

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  • CanadaBear

    Holy Crap did MT look great early. Of course, the refs had to make sure nobody on the Bears would get too cocky. What was Bradford doing out there? I really have to question their coaching staff on that decision. He looked like he wanted to be any place but there. The better team prevailed. I didn’t blame MT for that strip sack. Griffen got to the spot the same time MT did. Leno totally whiffed on that one. Overall I’m encouraged by MT’s play and not too worried about the rookie mistakes. Wheaton sucks big hairy moose cocks. Sims is in the wings fluffing, waiting for his chance at the big hairy moose cocks. Nothing against Cohen but not every touch is going to be a TD. I was glad to see Jackson back there for the last punt. Pretty sure that was one of the reasons Benny was getting more touches. I was actually pretty impressed with Timu (even knocked down a pass) and of course he had to go down. What was the deal with Foxy not shaving? Looked like he had about a week’s worth of growth going on. Must have been a rough weekend at Bernie’s.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yeah Foxy looked like a total bum tonight …. I was thinking that …. a real hobo.

    • BerwynBomber

      Cohen has looked very average the last two games. And you’re right, he needs to know when a sure yard is better than -5.

      Still like him, of course, but he has reminded us he is a rookie a few times.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Thoughts on the game in no order:

    Stats schmats, the eyeball test on Trubisky? The kid did good. Some of those throws early on were just wowzers. He’s got wheels too. Take away the drops and penalties, and the kid made just made some great throws. But Wheaton taking Deonte’s spot is a curious one. At what point did Wheaton earn that spot? Deonte was our best receiver in PS when everyone was healthy IMHO. He’s fast and he can catch the damn ball. Thompson and Wright are our two receivers.

    Kyle Fuller, eh? And we were looking good on D when Bradford couldn’t move and CJ was able to call the D. Nobody left can do it. When you don’t draft the position, what’re ya gonna do?

    We might have two strong safeties on that field. EJ looked good shooting in, but hasn’t worked it out in coverage. We still need that ball-hawk.

    Stats that DO tell a tale:

    1. We are last in the league at throwing it downfield vertically.

    2. We are last in the league in turnover differential. Vic Fangio’s and Gummo’s fault.

    3. We are last in the league in Interceptions. We don’t have ANY.

    Our running game would perhaps be better if we ran it off the back of Mitchell’s passing. He can throw the ball. Let him.

    But swap Deonte for Markus until otherwise inclined.

  • Big Mike

    Let the over reactions begin. Fire Fox, Fire Fangio, Fire Loggains. Ok, now that we have that out of the way. The defense was spectacular. Nobody has a #5 LB that can get tossed in and call the defense. Vikings brilliantly not only went right at the LBs, they played up-tempo to create more chaos. Keenum didn’t light the Bears up. They played him pretty well. The contrast between him and Bradford was spectacular. Not getting turnovers will be this defense’s chilles heel, until they do.

    Offensively, their WRs aren’t good. They don’t do anything well. They can’t catch, they can’t get open, they can’t run routes, they don’t block particularly well. They are just bad. Sims is dialing it in. Cohen is going through the same thing Reggie Bush did for a spell. Where he couldn’t get out of his own way.

    Trubisky, by objective standards was awful. Overthrown balls, poor reads, clock management. With that said, he was exciting, energized the team and each time the Bears got the ball, I thought we had a chance to move the chains. We did.

    On the officiating, it was wretched. But it probably evened out. The mystery hold on Wheaton, the Offensive Pass Interference, and there was one other invisible penalty later in the game. It was just terrible.

    Fox isn’t a very good head coach any longer. He’s gone. Doesn’t have to do with how he handles Trubisky, or how he does anything. He’s just bad. From game management, to how he breeds animosity with the press corps. He’s checked out. I don’t even get the sense that he’s involved in coaching any longer.

    • BearDown100393

      So it is or is not an overreaction to fire Fox?

      • Bear Instincts

        Fox needs to go for
        1. not knowing how to manage games
        2. not having his teams prepared to play after 11 days off
        3. the rash of injuries that have hit this team since he took over

        • SC Dave

          #2 is flat wrong. They were ready to play. They are just not good.

          • BerwynBomber

            And I would say #3 is a league-wide thing rather than a Bears thing.

        • BearDown100393

          Assuming Jim Harbaugh remains in Michigan (’cause I’m the cynic on this topic), who gets the HC job?

  • Phillip MyCrevice

    Dion Sims is a bust FA signing

    Trub QB rating was a 60.1

    • SC Dave

      I’m inclined to agree. We should play Shaheen.

  • BearDown100393

    Focusing on Positive: Mitch handled a trick play and played it perfect to get into the endzone. A lot could have went wrong. It didn’t.

  • Bear Instincts

    Pace should:
    1.Fire Fox immediately and place Fangio and the interim HC.
    2. Get OBJ next year and draft a WR in 2nd round.
    3. Pay Harbaught whatever he wants
    4. If 3 fails hire a young offensive minded head coach

  • Tortured Bear fan

    can not understand, either the game is getting more complex after watched too many flags or team is a disaster, and couching (Fox) must to do a better job about discipline.

  • RedBulls83

    Not enough can be said how embarrassingly unprepared and disarrayed this team is week in and week out. I put that on coaching 100%. Bad penalty’s, miscues on defensive assignments, poor management of the clock etc. It’s a joke for a veteran coach to have a team that routinely makes these types of mistakes.

    I don’t care how the rest of this season ends, it will be a HUGE mistake by Pace to bring back Fox next season.

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