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Data Responds: Bears vs. 49ers

| December 3rd, 2017

The Bears led for almost the entire game, but pretty much everybody watching the game knew what was coming when San Francisco got the ball back down 14-12 with just over 4 minutes to go. The 49ers methodically marched down the field and longtime Chicago kicker Robbie Gould drilled his 5th field goal of the day to send Chicago to their 5th straight loss.

Offense

  • Chicago’s offense came out on the first possession and ran the ball twice in a row out of heavy sets. Anybody who’s watched Chicago this year can already guess how that ended: with Chicago in 3rd and long. That led to a sack of QB Mitchell Trubisky for a nice quick three and out.
  • Speaking of running on first down, the Bears did it 11 times in 14 chances today. Only one of those runs went for more than 3 yards; most went for 0 or 1.
  • It looks like any confidence rookie quarterback Mitchell Trubisky earned from the coaching staff completely evaporated after a bad game last week. They finally opened things up two weeks ago, and the offense shockingly had their best game of the year. Now they’ve had back to back terrible weeks after reverting to horribly predictable play calling.

  • Rookie tight end Adam Shaheen had two excellent games while disappointing veteran Dion Sims was out with injury. When Sims came back, coaches promised Shaheen would continue his increased role. We’re 0/2 on that so far. Shaheen has slid right back into his 3rd TE role, behind Sims and Daniel Brown. The Bears were 3-8 entering this game, so playing a mediocre veteran over a promising (and highly drafted rookie) is indefensible, but it’s par for the course for this coaching staff. Only 4 more games until we’re rid of their ridiculous incompetence.
  • It was not a good day for the offensive line for the 3rd time in 4 games since the bye. They failed to open holes in the running game and could not sustain adequate protection in the passing game.  The unit has taken a significant step back this season after firing their offensive line coach and hiring Jeremiah Washburn this year.
  • Speaking of the offensive line, right guard Kyle Long left with a shoulder injury, adding to his list of problems (finger, ankle). He should probably be shut down for the season at this point.

Defense

  • Kyle Fuller returned to his pre-bye form today with a number of excellent coverage plays and big hits in run defense. He even snagged his first interception of the year (and just missed on another one). Fuller is one free agent the Bears should look to re-sign this offseason, at least if the price tag isn’t too high.
  • Chicago’s defense is incredibly banged up right now, and it showed today. The injuries at OLB meant that they could not muster a consistent pass rush, and the LB and S injuries exposed far too many holes in coverage. To the credit, the defense was able to stiffen time after time in the red zone, but San Francisco moved the ball pretty much at will between the 20s.
  • To their credit, the run defense had a very solid day. But San Francisco did pretty much whatever they wanted through the air.
  • Chicago had three safeties out with injury today, and a fourth-Deiondre Hall-who was just activated from IR. As a result, Chris Prosinski-who they just signed off of the street this week-got the start and played the majority of snaps. That helps explain some of the holes the 49ers repeatedly found over the middle of the field.
  • San Francisco’s offensive personnel is just as bad as Chicago’s, yet they repeatedly found a way to scheme players open. This game fully displayed the importance of good coaching, which the Bears are sorely missing.
  • Defensive lineman Akiem Hicks is not making nearly as many plays as he did earlier in the year. He is clearly worn down and banged up after playing too many snaps for too long.

Special Teams

  • Electric rookie Tarik Cohen had one of the wildest NO NO NO NO YES plays I’ve ever seen. He caught a punt and proceeded to run nearly 20 yards backwards before managing to turn upfield and return it for a touchdown. It was a fantastic play, but please don’t do it again.
  • Cohen has also learned how to take a knee in the end zone on kickoff returns, and he had another big punt return that was called back by a (highly questionable) penalty. All in all, it was a day of great progress for him as a return man that shows how he can impact a game in several ways.

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  • EnderWiggin

    Maybe Fox is planning on coming back next season… Cause he’s obviously playing for a better pick.

    • fishing florida

      we might see completely empty stands if that happens. the bears could run a lottery from the few dozens left in the stands to see if any wanted to play.

  • 2nd overall pick, and moving on up!

    Next loss. Browns.

    • willbest

      nope. 9ers only got 2 wins, giants, and donks lost. we are currently 5th and stayed there

      • willbest

        colts lost too

      • willbest

        probably 6th

      • You’re under rating our suckage.

        You gotta BELIEVE we’ll lose out.

        #FoxCanDoIt

        #FoxStrong

        • Malice Halice

          We losing out 4sho

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m confident in our ability under Fox to lose out.

      The finest Left Tackle in the draft please ….

      A lot of our offensive suckage has been laid at the feet of Fox/Loggains … but what of our pass-blockers? The rushing yards we did put up – given that everyone knew what we were doing – were testament to some good run blocking. But our passing game being maybe the worst in the league … has nothing to do with our pass blockers?

      Protect the boy. Left tackle, please.

  • So, Pace let Alshon walk.
    He feasted.

    Pace cut Gould.

    He beat us literally single footed.

    Jimmy G for a 2nd and sandwhich outperforms Trub.

    Thomas sacks Trub

    Foster won rookie of the month.

    • Jimmy G is a 4th year veteran who was also a 4 year starter in college. I hope he outperforms Trubisky at this point.

      • Glennon has been in the league for 4 yrs too.

        That doesn’t guarantee much.

        • let me rephrase: If he’s not ahead of Trubisky at this point, then he’s not an NFL QB.

          Also: Trubisky was damn good today, thank you very much.

          • Never said Trub played bad.

            Just that Jimmy G with only like 4 weeks in his first start away played better.

          • Trubisky completed a higher percentage of his passes, actually got his team in the end zone, and didn’t turn the ball over. And that’s despite the fact that he was under constant pressure, while Jimmy G had all fucking day to throw (and wide open targets to throw to). And let’s not forget that one had a good coach working with him, while the other is actively sabotaging him by refusing to play his best pass targets and only letting him throw in bad situations.

            Both QBs played well today. Don’t act like one was significantly better than the other.

          • You’re gonna count that INT against Jimmy?

            Fuller literally ripped it out of the WRs hand.

            Jimmy looked more poised in the pocket. He extended plays and threw darts. And oh yeah, marched down field and got them into FG range when it counted.

            He LOOKED better period.

            That doesn’t mean he’ll be better going forward, but to argue he didn’t outplay Trub today is crazy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I didn’t see the game. But 26/37 for 0 TDs and 1 INT versus 12/15 102 yards 1 TD 0 INTs …. suggests that somebody was hamstrung and somebody else wasn’t.

    • That Guy

      Jimmy G is a FA in 4 games. Is that worth a 2nd?

      Plus, Belicheat wanted more than one 1st rounder for him before the season began.

    • madscout12

      This team’s problems for the most part, have not been caused by talent, excepting the WR position. This team’s problems are due to coaching not knowing how to use the talent provided.

    • CanadaBear

      Please don’t act like you were against Gould being launched because that is BS.

      • I wasn’t against cutting him.

        I WAS against signing a scrub like Barth, and then keeping him for far too long.

        • CanadaBear

          Totally agree but when Robbie got cut it wasn’t a big surprise. I think Dave and I were the last guys standing for Robbie. If MT looks legit next year Pace gets leeway, if not, he will get launched with the next shitty regime.

  • willbest

    i think the vikes clinched the division today with the lions loss

  • willbest

    jets might win today

  • Puke won, just in case you didn’t think it could get worse.

    • willbest

      keeps the bucs in draft competition

    • SC Dave

      And McCarthy’s record gets another notch better than Chuckie’s.

  • That Guy

    How on earth did the coaches not tell the defense to let SF score after the 2 minute warning? Had the defense let the SF ballcarrier into the end zone, at least the offense would have had 90+ seconds plus a timeout to actually do something.

    Forget the banged-up D and the Special Olympic offensive plan, the coaches blew this game in the last 3 minutes by hoping Robbie’s leg was too tired to hit a chip shot.

    • TomC

      I was screaming this at the TV over and over and over. They should have LTS as soon as they were in easy FG range, but it was really inexcusable to not do it when SF were dumb enough to run a real play (as opposed to taking a knee) after getting that last 1st down.

  • willbest

    jets have had like 9 attempts from inside the 5

  • willbest

    mccown 2 rushing tds

    • I think we all owe Irish an apology when he said we cut the wrong QB when we let McCown go for Cutler.

      Then again, he fell in love with Cutler again, so maybe not.

      Sorry Irish, I tried!

  • Malice Halice

    Damn da bears

  • Juan Stone

    It is wrong to find my football entertainment while scouring over da blog? Hahaha

    Oh brudda, we stink!

  • willbest

    lulz this flag fest

  • willbest

    peters tossed the ref flag

  • That Guy

    On the stripsack, Leno had a right to be pissed. He was held by the interior rusher and kept from blocking the edge guy. That should’ve been 10 yards on the defense.

  • Cubsnlinux

    the Bears should fire both Pace and Fox at this point. Pace will be a lame duck GM and don’t see any good coming out of keeping him. No improvement under Pace. How can anyone justify keeping Pace? What has he done?

    • Howard Moser

      Hopeless as the management of the Bears is totally inept, and new GM and coach not the answer, fire the owners, or stop buying tickets. This situation is intolerable. Owners had years to figure out what is needed, fortunately for management, demand is still there for tickets. Pathetic!

  • willbest

    ejected?

  • I am furious for Adam Shaheen.

    He’s the most talent TE on your roster by a mile, and you just invested a 2nd round pick in him. He caught 6 passes on 6 targets for 80 yards and a TD in the first 2 games coming out of the bye.

    His reward? The shitty player ahead of him came back, and in the last 2 games Shaheen has played a fraction of the snaps and seen 1 target (which he caught for 1 yard).

    What a fucking joke. Absolutely inexcusable move by a coaching staff that makes a million of them.

    Four more games.

    • willbest

      tell us how you really feel

    • CanadaBear

      The team stats are insane. I hope George makes an exception and launches Foxy tonight.

    • SC Dave

      Pat O’Donnell would probably do better as a blocking TE than Deion Sims.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m still pissed we blew a 2nd rounder on him. Not because he’s not good – or won’t be – but because we needed an OT more than we needed a 4th or 5th TE.

    • fishing florida

      the team itself is inexcusable.

  • willbest

    i really want to know what the fine for chucking the refs flag into the stands is

  • CanadaBear

    Did you guys see the cheap shot Gronk put on a prone Buf player? He might get a little time off for that one.

  • willbest

    peters just left. he wasnt ejected

    • that whole scene was surreal

    • which Peters, on the chiefs?

      • willbest

        the db

      • yep. He picked up a flag the ref flew, threw it into the stands, and then walked into the locker room despite never being ejected

        • Holy shit.

          He did have character flags against him in the draft (why he dropped) but thought he straightened out.

          wow.

          • A7Xthebest

            He’s a kneeler.

  • chitownproud85

    Must be nice to be a Jets fan. Having something to play for…some level of hope…a stadium thats rocking at 4:15 for a noon game.

    …what the fuck is happening here?…

  • willbest

    well they got him out of the locker room sortof

  • Wow. That Chiefs-Jets game a shoot out.

    Glad I started Smith in FF!

    • willbest

      and the jets are out of draft competition

      • I seriously think we’ll get the #3 spot.

        Only teams I think that are worse than Bears are the Browns and Gmen, and the latter might fire MaCadoo today, so they’ll get better once that happens.

        • willbest

          we will beat the browns

          • Malice Halice

            Browns been holding up to decent teams. We barely stand a chance

          • SC Dave

            Not so sure of that.

        • Malice Halice

          Tru. We hittin top 3 for something atleast!

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          I’d like an Urlacher please with that pick.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Browns have the best Run D in the league!

  • willbest

    Chiefs are the 2016 vikings

  • BuddhaJoe

    I know they’re reluctant (for good reason) but they have to fire Pace. Yeah the coaching is bad, I get that. But in year 3 of the supposed “rebuild”, they just lost AT HOME to a team that’s won 3 games in 2 years and is openly tanking. This is worse than the fucking Cryptkeeper.

    • willbest

      you fire pace and fox you saddle the next gm with Trubisky

      • BuddhaJoe

        Fuck Trub. He just got outplayed BADLY by a lower round pick who’s started fewer games. If he gets better, great. But the new future management should have no obligation going forward.

        • CanadaBear

          You do realize JG is in his 4th year in the league and he’s with his second pro offense? It’s MT’s first year and he’s yet to play in a pro offense.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            …and yet to play with a pro wide receiver.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Sure. But it’s only his 3rd start, and he’s working with even less than Trub is. Not saying they should dump Trub but they should not base anything on him either.

          • CanadaBear

            Really don’t agree.

          • There is zero chance Trubisky gets dumped by the Bears at any point before the end of the 2019 season.

            And there is absolutely NOTHING we have seen so far to suggest they should even be thinking about that at this point anyway. He’s had one bad game in 8 starts despite regularly being put in terrible situations. Not all of the other 7 games have been good, per se, but only 1 has truly been a stinker.

          • If you were Bears GM in 18, you wouldn’t draft Darnold or Rosen if given the chance?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            nope

          • Wow. You guys are more sold on Trub than I.

            I thought he was the best QB hands down coming out of the draft this yr, but if you were to throw Trub into the draft next yr, he might seriously be the 5th best Qb

            Rosen
            Darnold
            Josh Allen
            Mayfield
            Trub?

            And some may even like Rudolph or Lamar Jackson more.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            roll with Trubs get other playmakers with the high pick.

          • hell no. What is there to suggest either of them will be as good as Trubisky, much less better?

            I like what I have seen from Trubisky so far. Accuracy has been a problem, but that will improve with footwork. The most important thing is that his decision making has been good. He’s not forcing passes and is still finding ways to make plays with an extremely limited set of skill position players around him.

          • willbest

            he hasn’t been making decisions that we are aware of

          • what’s the last pass he forced into traffic? He’s thrown 2 INTs in 4 games since the bye, and both were to open guys where he just missed the throw.

            Give him competent targets and improve the footwork (and thus the accuracy) and he’s already an above-average QB.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What’s weird is that he was pretty accurate early on this year … but then … what about 12/15? What’s not accurate about that?

          • CanadaBear

            You’re preaching to the choir JW.

        • Badly outplayed? What game were you watching? Jimmy G got way more chances to throw (because his coaches aren’t pieces of shit) and way better pass protection, yet he had fewer touchdowns and more turnovers.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Did you not see all the 3rd down throws he made? I’ll give you the coaching though.

          • I did see a QB under zero pressure throwing to targets past the first down marker with nobody near them. Those are not throws that impress me, as I have seen mediocre college QBs do the same thing time after time.

            I’m not blaming Jimmy G for doing them, but I’m not gonna worship him for that either. He didn’t do anything special today and wasn’t able to get into the end zone even once against this banged-up shell of a defense.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Me neither, but I also saw Trub standing in the pocket way too long, and completely missing open guys. Even when Compton came in for Long the line was mostly doing their job.

            I think it’s an agree to disagree situation at this point. I’ll agree that the coaching blows but that only goes so far.

          • SC Dave

            Yup, that is Trubisky pretty much every game.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ” completely missing open guys” … three times? Really? Almost 80% completions.

          • SC Dave

            I just watched the game. Your claim of zero pressure on Garrapolo is simply wrong.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ALL being the operative word. Opportunities would be another one.

        • Irish Sweetness

          12/15 1-0 ?????

      • Maybe not.

        What if the next GM likes Josh Allen or Mayfield, two guys most def in our range after Rosen and Darnold.

      • saddle? They’re going to be the most desirable coaching destination this offseason because of Trubisky (and the talent on defense). Outside of the shit-fest against PHI last week, the kid has looked good since the bye.

        • willbest

          no he hasn’t. See i dont think its 100% on fox, i think trub struggles in practice. Not writing him off, but don’t pretend there is more there than it is. Giants HC is going to get his choice at QB. So no the bears won’t be the most desirable

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            And that choice should be Eli Manning.

            A reason coaching candidates might stay the f*** away from their current front office.

        • SC Dave

          Bullshit. Put down the Kool-aid, it’s making you post silly things.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Saddle??

    • SC Dave

      An openly tanking team does not win that game.

  • Malice Halice

    Seems like most our loses are either embarrassing or ironic

    • CanadaBear

      As long as the Bears aren’t favored, they have a slim chance.

      • Malice Halice

        Basically. It don’t even feel like da same season with us beating the panthers and steelers

        • CanadaBear

          As usual the Bears are just beat to hell. BTW I did a little looking for Blues clubs up in your neck of the woods. Check it out. If you look, some of the places will have a touring band once in a while. Might be worth checking out.

          http://www.mnbs.org/gigs.html

      • willbest

        oh right, i forgot fox had that record to maintain

        • CanadaBear

          He’s perfect so far! Probably only one more chance to blow the record.

          • That assumes the Bears will be favored again.

            Not sure if that’ll happen even vs Browns.

          • CanadaBear

            That’s the only one for sure!

  • Kamara just looks other worldly right now.

    AVG 8 yds a touch. Wow.

    I liked him coming out, and would’ve drafted him in FF, but he was in a 3 man committee for the start of the season.

    Good on Waffle to jump on him.

    I never thought a guy who only gets like 10 touches would blow up like that.

    • Russian Hacked Pacebot 3.0

      Once I saw him stick his bbc in our bear hole I had to get him.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Drafted him everywhere in FF and dropped him almost everywhere within weeks.

      • You got Ajayi-ed

        Last yr I drafted Ajayi and couldn’t figure out for the life of me why dumb ass Gase didn’t use him.

        Well, after 4 weeks, I let him go.

        GP scooped him up off the waiver for like $1, and Ajayi went on to run for like 4 straight 200 yd games.

  • willbest

    so we will have SOS games against the bucs and giants next year

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Fales sighting in Miami??

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      He went 0 for 1.

      A Fales sighting is less believable than seeing Bigfoot.

  • How’s this for a split:

    Since the bye, Trubisky has thrown 108 passes.

    61 to Cohen/Inman/Wright/Shaheen: 47 completions (75%) for 480 yards (7.9 yards per attempt) and 2 TDs.

    47 to other scrubs: 24 completions (51%) for 243 yards (5.2 yards per attempt) and 1 TD.

    2 thoughts:

    1) Trubisky has had accuracy issues, but even so he’s capable of completing a high % of passes when he’s throwing to actual NFL targets (as opposed to guys like Josh Bellamy, Dion Sims, Daniel Brown, and Tre McBride). It’s absurd that those guys are getting over 40% of passing targets.

    2) The Bears have 4 targets for the passing game to carry in to next year; 5 if you count Meredith back. Add in a reasonable 2nd TE and a veteran WR (plus a rookie to bring along) and that’s a good number of weapons for a coach who doesn’t suck to utilize.

    • CanadaBear

      It just pisses me off when Fox will totally handcuff the O when you have two off the street FA’s that signed on Thursday, starting on D on Sunday. FFS you know you have to score some points so at least fucking try! Now that the season is officially over, if he’s still here tomorrow, start the young guys!

    • For the millionth time since Nov 16, Fox should be fired.

      He’s been hampering Trub’s progression IMO or at the VERY least, making him tread water.

  • Derek Price

    A coaching staff that closes up the offence when the team scores 14 points, and then refuses to play the TE most likely to score, and runs continually on first down ( even 3rd and long at times) . WTF, a decision has to be made for the sanity of the fans and the city of Chicago, and it isn’t keeping the absolutely past it coach and most of the out of their depth staff

  • CanadaBear

    I’m guessing this is the last game for Kyle this year.

    Per JD. Bears right guard Kyle Long said, “I jacked up my shoulder pretty good. I’ll know more tomorrow.”

    • He needed to be shut down a couple weeks ago.

      Like his competitiveness, but don’t need him limping around next spring.

      Need to see if Compton or Sowell are worth anything esp since Kush has been inj all yr

    • beninnorcal

      Hopefully he can have a chance to fully recover from all of his injuries this offseason

      • CanadaBear

        I’m guessing that labrum that he didn’t have surgery on last off season if good and fucked at this point. Hope it can be repaired.

    • Big Mike

      He just needs to shut down. Sacrificing a limb for Fox is ridiculous.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Revenge is a dish best served… Gould.

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      ….that’s a horrible, horrible pun. And worth an uptick.

    • CanadaBear

      That’s your O Henry version of Burma Shaves!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Per PFF, Adam Shaheen played 9 snaps (the same as FB Michael Burton) and ran 3 routes.

    • CanadaBear

      I’m still pissed they try to say they don’t know some of the plays. WTF?

    • madscout12

      Absolutely unacceptable. The rest of this year is fucking preseason. Anybody who’s injured, take them out. Play the young guys.

      • SC Dave

        More importantly, get the fucking bums off the field.

  • BerwynBomber

    Story of this game is simple. D could not get off the field (except in our RZ). SF ran a total of 73 plays to our 36.

    We were lucky it was only a one score game.

    • D couldn’t get off of it, O couldn’t stay on it.

      • Big Mike

        Offense was putrid.

    • They could NOT stop passes over the middle.

      That was def part of it.

      Think the 9ers were wisely attacking Prosinksi/LebLanc/Jones over the middle.

      Combine that with struggling pass rush.

    • Scharfinator

      Only one touchdown for the O and we blame the D? I didn’t watch it, but the stats argue otherwise.

      • They were both at fault.

        The D couldn’t generate a pass rush.
        This allowed Jimmy to KILL the Bears over the middle over and over and over again and dominate TOP, which naturally lead to limited opportunities for the O, who then promptly sputtered, and round and round we go.

        The D to their credit did tighten up in the redzone, but after like 5 minutes of being on the field

        • Scharfinator

          I agree TOP is important, but not as important as points. The D didn’t let them in the endzone once…

          Hard to damn a D that only gives up FG for an entire game in the NFL rules of the 20-teens

        • SC Dave

          The offense was dogshit. Too little time for the D to get any rest.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I did happen to notice our interception came off an ILB blitz up the middle.

          I wonder if Vic noticed.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Meanwhile, the Packers stay relevant.

    • BerwynBomber

      Despite Brett Hundley. 13 of 22 for 88 yards 1 INT and a PR of 48.

      But it’s TB. Bad teams find ways to lose. Wonder if Winston is encroaching mild bust territory.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Winston has serious ball-security issues.

        Packers get the Browns next week.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, their non-Rodgers record might not look that bad in the end because they hit some pillow softies in TB, CLE and (yes) the off-a-bye-with-expectations Bears.

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Winston’s stats from the box score today looked decent.
        21 of 31, 270 yards, 2 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, 113 quarterback rating

        ….but he was also sacked 7 times for a loss of 40 yards.

        • BerwynBomber

          He had a killer fumble/strip sack in the first half, I believe.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Saw that on one of the other TVs in the bar.

            It was ugly and proved to be the difference in the game.

            Tampa had all the momentum at that point and then basically handed the Packers a TD.

        • He’s also playing with a bum shoulder

    • willbest

      They still have a tough road to the playoffs. Atlanta losing today helps them, but they still need a lot of other help.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Maybe,

        And maybe they won’t make the post season.

        The point is, they lost their KEY guy, didn’t fold like a house of cards and are still relevant in December.

        • SC Dave

          Clearly a better organization than the Bears.

  • Big Mike

    Outcoached. Pants pulled down. Shanahan had Fangio on the ropes all day. Talent was close to even. (their O vs our D). Shanahan was toying with him. On offense, the Bears looked inept. Couldn’t make a single adjustment.

    Sick of watching this nonsense.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Plus, and I’m sure this was discussed on the game thread which I haven’t reviewed and it was sure called for at the time amongst the Bear watchers, Fox wasn’t smart enough, to no one ‘s surprise, to tell the defense to let the 49ers score on first and goal with 1:34 to go and give the Bears a real shot to at least tie or win the game instead of sitting on the sideline with his thumb up his ass watching the clock run down while Robbie kicks his 5th of the day.

      • It was brought up.

        And indeed, no one was surprised Fox was too stupid to do that.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        according to Hoge Fox reasoning ““We felt good about the block we had on the potential field goal. Neither one of those are great options at the 5 and 4 yard line.””

        • willbest

          Gould was on target all day, so obviously the smart play was to believe he wouldn’t be that go. Unreal.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Did he attempt a kick longer than 33 yards?

          • willbest

            does that matter when it was inside the 20?

        • lol Moses Christ.

          I’m no statistician, but I’m guessing a FG block from the 5 is .001% successful.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            i think that % is generous.

      • willbest

        If we had a FG kicker who could give us an honest shot on say a 50 yard attempt then fine. But we had no kicker. He knew we had no kicker so it was going to have to be a TD anyway. If you know you are going to have to go get 6 points anyway, there is zero difference being down 1 point or 5 points.

        It wasn’t just a bad decision. It was a fucking stupid one.

      • Big Mike

        It’s like he conceded the game. But the moment that Cohen ran that punt back, the offense got out of sync. In my opinion that was Fox telling birdcage to “get back to basics”

        • SC Dave

          The offense looked pretty bad all game.

          • Big Mike

            They had a rhythm going for one drive. Then Tarik runs a punt back and we couldn’t move the ball
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    • SC Dave

      Sims… grrr….

  • willbest

    So does Jeff’s source prove correct in that Fox is fired tomorrow?

    • BerwynBomber

      Wouldn’t surprise me, though to be honest I don’t see much point in it provided they’re firing him on Black Monday.

    • Scharfinator

      Should be a good chance to prove if Jeff’s source is worth a shit at least 🙂

  • Hmm. Should’ve started Michael Thomas over Julio. Go figure.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Julio disappeared this season.

      • He scored 55 last week!

        He’s too up and down.

        Thomas is the opposite. 5 catches. 70 yds. 10 points every week.

        Gonna have to really debate which way I wanna go in the playoffs that have 2 weeks per rd.

        • Irish Sweetness

          55??? PPR?

          Julio had a lot of blanks this season. Busted pick.

  • Leon Waffla

    It’s got to the point now where you can no longer blame the coaches or the owners. Fans need to look at themselves. They are the ones putting up with this shit.

  • Leon Waffla

    Chicago is big enough for a second franchise. one that could manage to win the occasional game in its bid to milk blue collar fans out of their spare wages.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog I love DBB’s readers. But many of them should be in straight jackets.”

    Didn’t see with whom JWood was speaking (but tattling seems silly too), but yeah those are bonkers suggestions.

    On the flip side I would not presume every hot coordinator or out-of-work HC is dying to work with Bisky.

    To a degree it could be like when we had Cutty. “Here, we have our franchise QB in place. Make it work.”

    If you’re the next Bears HC, chances are you’re not getting a second long-term starter during your tenure.

    That’s not meant as a criticism of Bisky. We simply don’t know what we have yet (though I’m beginning to think we are learning what we don’t have). But it is a reality of the job requirement. And there might be a few potential candidates who would prefer to pick their own guy. Not many, I”m sure. But a few.

    • madscout12

      Depends on which Cutler you’re talking about. If we changed head coaches in 2010, there would be plenty of coaches wanting to work with Cutler. 2015 not so much.

      Goff was no different, and they got arguably the best OC to be their head coach, and they’ve completely turned that situation around.

      • BerwynBomber

        There was only one Jay Cutler. He has been the same guy his entire career.

        Anyway, I doubt Bisky would deter many. My point was that it’s highly doubtful EVERYONE sees it as a chance of a lifetime.

        • madscout12

          True. But who knew that in 2010?

          • BerwynBomber

            Lots, I presume. That was his fifth year in the league.

            Btw, why are you picking 2010? We had an HC opening in ’13. Not in ’10.

          • SC Dave

            I think because the 2010 Cutler might have been attractive, but by 2015, definitely not.

          • madscout12

            Yup this. Not a perfect comparison, but an apt one. We did have an opening…OC. That GM and HC were incapable of finding offensive coaching talent, and even with the flawed OC that was Martz, that Bears team went to an NFCCC on the back of a great D.

            This Bears team doesn’t have near that level of defense, but it does have a promising young QB who can be said to have underachieved due to coaching and a lack of weapons.

        • SC Dave

          The real question is does ANYONE see it as a chance of a lifetime? Maybe we go NCAA Div 2 this time instead of Canada?

        • Irish Sweetness

          I still disagree. He turned the corner, a bit, in 2014.

  • Sactowns#1

    This was the most depressing loss of the season. It showed the complete inpetitude of our GM and front office staff. It’s going to be a long few years as a Bears fan.

    • willbest

      I know you would rather have double ACL tear guy, but the simple fact of the matter is that this offense has the talent to do more than it has been. Its the most blandly run offense in the league and it was that way with Glennon back there too.

      • Sactowns#1

        The fact of the matter is you could have drafted Jimmy G. You could have traded for Jimmy G. You started your rebuild before the Niners did and yet they still just beat you.

        • willbest

          The Bears make QBs look competent. Its what we do. We have a long history of this. G will need to be judged based on how he plays real teams. Not us.

          And we could have had G if we were willing to give up our #3 overall pick for him, because that is what Hoodie wanted. And EMERY could have had G back in 2014 when he was drafted. So I don’t know why you would bring up drafting G in relations to Pace sucking balls.

        • Bender McLugh

          You are delusional, Sac. Have another beer man

          • To his defense, he did want to draft Jimmy G out of college (and Watson), so it’s not revisionist for him at least.

          • willbest

            The part where he implied the current front office is responsible for that miss is fake history.

          • If Trub busts and Jimmy doesn’t (as Sac believes), how is that not on Pace?

            He couldn’t draft him out of college, but he could’ve traded for him in-season.

            Trub prevented Pace from going after Jimmy for a 2nd in-season (and remember, Pace and Jimmy were linked big time in the off-season)

            If Trub busts, and Jimmy becomes a true franchise, that’s on Pace period.

            Not the McCaskeys. Not Fox. Not Phillips. Not the spaghetti monster in the sky.

            Pace.

          • willbest

            so Pace should have known the pats would have been more reasonable 7 weeks into 2017 and planned his draft strategy according ly? that is a stretch even for you

          • A lot of fans wanted Pace to pass on all the QBs in this draft in the first rd because of the supposedly better crop in ’18

            That’s what the 9ers did.

            So they got Thomas, Foster AND Garrapolo.

            And if Jimmy doesn’t look the part, they can still draft a top #3 QB next yr (or draft one anyways)

            AND they have our picks.

            And yes, you take the future into consideration.

            As a GM you gotta know that the Pats had to make a choice.

            release the GOAT but aging Brady

            OR, let Jimmy walk with little in return.

            You gotta take that into the calculations.

            Bottom line. Pace chose Trub over Jimmy G.

            Even IF Pace would’ve given up a 1st and 2nd, is that too much for the right QB?

            Nope.

            IMO, Trub will be forever compared to Watson, Mahomes and Jimmy G cuz Pace had his choice of any of them.

          • willbest

            but th e 9ers plan B was cousins, we didn’t have that option

          • There was nothing certain about that Plan B either, which is why the 9ers went ahead and traded for Jimmy G when they could’ve just gambled on Cousins for no draft picks.

            And Pace had a plan B too.

            Glennon.

          • willbest

            No but the bears were supposed to win 7-9 games. the 9ers set up to win 4 or less. it made it affordable to wait on QB until 2018. Pace didn’t have the same flexability. You are basically comparing a GM with a blank check to one with management saying solve this problem.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Pace chose Trub over DeShaun..

          • Irish Sweetness

            Jimmy G is irrelevant. If Trubs flames out, Watson was the obvious pick. That’s on Pace and then some.

          • willbest

            watson is missing a knee atm

          • Irish Sweetness

            Also irrelevant.

          • willbest

            nonsense he already had 1 acl. injury risk and tjose concerns have now been validated. it might be why he fell

          • Irish Sweetness

            Nobody was saying Watson’s leg was going to fall off before the draft … but Pace may well have been worried about that.

            But giving up on MT already is silly … though I don’t think anyone has yet.

          • Jimmy would’ve only costed a 2nd and 3rd.

            Watson would’ve cost a top 5 pick.

          • CanadaBear

            BB was asking for a 1 and 3 before the draft.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Pace’s age always worried me. He’s too young. Too MBA.

  • Cutting Fox now would be MORE insulting to the fans than just keeping him.

    The FireFox boat passed after the Puke debacle.

    Also, anyone catch any FIreFox shirts in the crowd?

    I don’t recall the cameras panning to the crowd…maybe cuz it was empty of full of 9er fans.

    • EnderWiggin

      I seen a couple of the huge signs, no Tees though.
      Edit: Yeah, though, they didn’t show much of the “crowd”

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, I suggested the same a week or two ago. Time to fire Fox was after the Brett Hundley game.

      At this point, you let him play out the string. Plus, none of the current staff is reportedly going to be kept, so it might paint Pace in a corner if one of them does well.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I don’t buy the painting Pace into a corner, just like I don’t buy Trubs saddling future HC candidates. If he fires Fox and one of the Coaches steps up and makes us look competent then I see that as a plus to potential candidates.

        • BerwynBomber

          Nothing to do with that. More about PR/fan pressure.

      • According to the rumors, part of the reason to keep Fox is because Fangio refused to be interim HC.

        Maybe he’s giving a little payback for us blocking him from being DC back in SF.

  • ButtonShoes

    Robbie Gould single-handedly beat us.

    If there isn’t a bigger (and more deserved) fuck you to both Ryan Pace and John Fox for cutting him, I have absolutely no idea what that is.

    As for firing Fox, you know what? At this point, I don’t really care. This team….I just don’t fucking care right now. Until real change comes, why should I, you, or anyone else bother?

    • *Single-footedly

      (copyright pending)

      • ButtonShoes

        I mean, is it weird that I’m kinda happy for Robbie? I love that guy.

        • Nah, I hate this Fox team like the Tresty team.

          There’s players I root for, like Howard, Hicks, etc

          But just kinda dislike this team in the abstract.

          This team hit rock bottom against GB IMO

          The rest is just a 4 week fart joke.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            fart jokes are funny. there is nothing funny about this team it’s just sad.

          • Big Mike

            That’s why I was so pissed off after the GB game. Two weeks of thinking we’ve finally turned the corner. Two watch the Bears play like they were first meeting each other. Coaching staff did nothing in that time. Team got worse not better. Going through the motions. Trying not to make angry stupid comments, like sell the team. But shit, a complete rebuild couldn’t do worse. Best hope is that Pace stays gets the right coach, gets the draft and FA right and we can be 500 next year. 12-32. Fuck him

    • Scharfinator

      Comfortably numb is my 2017 Bears anthem.

      • I refuse to associate anything good like Floyd with the Bears.

        They’re more like a local punk band named “Anal Holocaust”

      • Irish Sweetness

        Or ‘Shine on…’? for Foxy?

        “You wore out your welcome, with random precision ….”

    • BearDown100393

      The outdoor holiday decorations are up.

      More planning went into that than Hobo’s game plan.

    • BuddhaJoe

      He should’ve been fired weeks ago but since he wasn’t he can eat all the shit the org wants us to eat the rest of the year.

    • Irish Sweetness

      SMH.

      So Robbie moved the ball into chip-shot range 5 times did he?

      • ButtonShoes

        I think all his field goals were within 40 yards. No problem for him. Garoppolo just moved down the field as he liked. Both he and Mitch have equally crappy receivers, but Garoppolo was actually able to use his.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    I think they should check the Saints RBs uniforms for some kind of lube, because no one seems to be able to tackle them.

    • willbest

      Its made of a new nano-fiber that is as slick as ice, but warm to the touch.

  • ButtonShoes

    https://twitter.com/_MarcusD2_/status/937426787486851072

    I knew there was a reason I loved this man besides winning the SB for us. BLESS YOU, Jim.

    • BearDown100393

      I guess Jim would be blocked here.

  • willbest
  • BerwynBomber

    Not sure about Riverboat’s decision there. Might have been too early to pass up the three.

  • BearDown100393

    Hobo’s Soldier Field Entrance Song:

  • SC Dave

    Game ball: Robbie Gould.

    The End.

    • BearDown100393

      Cohen was a beast

  • BearDown100393

    Kreutz has tweeted

  • I wonder if teams will stop punting to Cohen.
    Maybe he needs a couple more long ones.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      I’d punt to him. He got lucky today. Really lucky.

      His decision making is pretty rough. I was traveling today and could only listen rather than watch. But Joniak said they’ve got Cunningham deciding for him while the ball’s in the air on kickoffs. Not a terrible idea if true based on what I’ve seen.

  • A shame the Hawks aren’t at full force.

    Would’ve loved to see loud mouth-v-Alshon or Chancellor v Ertz or a fully healthy Earl patrolling the back against Wentz.

  • Chargers charging.

    Won 6 out last 8.

    Just need to boot Koo

    • AlbertInTucson

      Rough year for kickers.

      They brought Novak back but now HE is hurt and they are on kicker #3.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Is anyone showing up for those Charger games, yet?

      • Nah.
        There’s lil to NO buzz for them or even the Rams.

        I’ll be surprised if 20K even show up to either game.

        • Big Mike

          more evidence that its about the TV money.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That defense is balling for sure.

  • BearDown100393

    12-32
    .272
    Abe can now rest easy

  • AlbertInTucson

    The W or the L was meaningless in this game.

    What WOULD Have been meaningful would have been to let Hyde score on first and goal
    and give Trubisky a chance to run a live 2 minute drill with a minute and 30 left and at least one time out.

    Instead, Trubisky is standing on the sidelines learning just how clueless his coaching staff really is.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      Seemed so obvious and yet I knew it wouldn’t be done.

    • BearDown100393

      He knew since camp

    • AlbertInTucson

      A teaching opportunity and Fox just stood there and lifted his leg on it.

    • evantonio

      didn’t you hear? he felt reaaal good about the FG block play they had dialed up.

  • BearDown100393

    Ernie Accorsi is one hell of a consultant

    • AlbertInTucson

      We thought going outside the organization was a good idea.

      We should have known they would go to the wrong guy.

      • BearDown100393

        The Gibron family loves Ernie.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Gronkowski should get a week off for that cheap shot.

    “I’m tired of not getting calls”….?

    A ludicrous statement from ANY member of the Patriots.

    • He does get the Shaq treatment, but no excuse there.

      He’ll prolly get suspended, which may actually be good for him to heal up

      • AlbertInTucson

        Lord only knows how much OPI he gets away with.

        Calls or not, I have zero tolerance for the cheap shot he laid on that guy.

        From behind.

        To the head.

        To a guy on the ground.

  • BerwynBomber

    Bad miss by Wentz. But did NOT see a TD as Collingsworth claimed.

  • willbest

    looks like the eagles TD shutout will continue

    • willbest

      nvm refs jobbed them

  • willbest

    wow bullshit call

  • BerwynBomber

    Iffy PI call.

    • willbest

      Because its wilson

  • willbest

    add 15

    • willbest

      apparently you can just pile on in Seattle

  • BerwynBomber

    Outside of Rodgers, two most exciting QBs in the league.

    But I sense this could be Wilson’s/SEA’s night.

    • willbest

      its a hard place to play. and if anybody outside of hoodie came svheme a qb, its pete

      • BerwynBomber

        Agreed. And SEA has now had a couple of games to get used to life w/out Sherman and Chancellor.

        Not that they have guys on their roster as good as those two, but like the Hoodie, Carroll can get his back-ups playing pretty well.

  • SC Dave

    Well, I had to abuse myself and watch the game. Three things stood out:

    1) As nearly always for the past 55 years, the defense cannot get off the fucking field on 3rd down.
    2) Jordan Howard had no fire today. It’s hard to blame him, but it was pretty evident.
    3) Deion Sims is a terrible blocker. Abject garbage. Cut him tonight.

    • Did you see when Foster threw Simms like a ragdoll then stuffed Howard?

      Impressive (or pathetic, depending on whom)

      • SC Dave

        I did. That was *one* of the plays that led to my comment. There were others.

        • Big Mike

          But let’s sit Shaheen…

    • BerwynBomber

      Did you catch Robbie taunt the Bears bench at the end?

      • Big Mike

        I loved that…

  • willbest

    was he pushed?

    • BerwynBomber

      I’m assuming but they didn’t show a replay.

  • Has anyone seen Wentz and Prince Harry in the same place?

    Hmmmmm

    #conspiracyTwins

    • willbest

      put him in bed with markle, she will sort it out for us

    • willbest

      incidentally there is a conspiracy that harry isnt Charles kid.

  • Irish Sweetness

    1. I had a sneaking suspicion that a team with one win was capable of beating John Fox. WE have a shot at that OT now. Good.

    2. Tarik did his Bojack in Tecmobowl impression. Great stuff.

    3. MT 12/15 102 yards 1 TD 0 INTs. Good job.

  • willbest

    that was a mess by philly

  • Earl Thomas is such a mack.

    Pound for pound the hardest hitter.

    reminds me of “Wolverine” Dawkins

    • Scharfinator

      I think Chancellor brings the wood better. MUST BE NICE HAVING THEM ON THE SAME TEAM

  • willbest

    yes gronk suspended

  • willbest

    that was more incontrovertible than things we have been screwed on

  • Hawks trying to bully Eagles.

    • willbest

      wentz doing his Cunningham impersonation

      • This feels a lot like an older brother putting the lil brother in his place on the bbal court.

        • willbest

          Seattle wont win 2 on the road in the playoffs

  • Jack Lacan

    It’s been a very long time – but maybe we could go back to Lake Forest — and just start all over with all new people in every job.
    Couldn’t hurt more.
    I also note some more civility on this blog.
    Thank you.

  • Jack Lacan

    I would like to thank the McCaskey family for not selling the franchise to a Middle Eastern oil magnate like Manchester City. This is encouraging for NFL football – and America. All Best –

  • willbest

    Seattle is getting a ref bonus

  • willbest

    fine on tuesday

  • willbest

    amazing

  • There’s that zero blitz.

    Burnt to a crisp against a real QB-WR combo

    • willbest

      irish assures me nothing bad can ever happen when you do that!

      • Irish Sweetness

        We got our only interception from a LB blitzing up the middle. It was no coincidence.

  • BerwynBomber

    80 years old Michaels has better eyes than 50 year old Collingsworth. Go figure.

    • That didn’t look out to me either.

      His foot was out, but the ball’s tip looked like a crossed the plane.

      Not enough to overturn it, at leas.

      But, gotta get those rating.

      • BerwynBomber

        Nah, it was plain as day (as those things go). When Baldwin’s left foot brushed out of bounds the ball was at the half-yard line.
        They got that one right.

  • willbest

    got stuffed

  • ah, fuck. C’mon Ertz.
    You my FF TE!

  • willbest

    cant believe they passed up 3 points

    • BerwynBomber

      Pederson has some major gambler in him. I recall in their game last against us when they went for a fourth goal from about the two. We stopped him but there was penalty … on Floyd maybe?
      I like Pederson but he concerns me if they’re facing the Pats in the SB and he’s pulling that stuff.

  • willbest

    that fumble to TB is going to be fatal in retrospect

    • Changed the whole game.
      Looks like Sheldon Richardson was a smart pick up by the Hawks.

      • willbest

        didn’t they trade a pack of tic tacs for him?

      • willbest

        and just as i said that he changes the momentum

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hardly a pickup! A trade that we should have made ….

  • willbest

    wow

    • willbest

      he did that without his legs

      • BerwynBomber

        Wentz is a fucking beast …

  • So much for not throwing against your body

  • Have we run a “rub” (pick) play?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Only good teams are allowed to run those without being flagged.

      • Apparently.

        Puke live off those.

      • willbest

        That is really the problem the NFL has. Good teams get good calls. Like the Seahawks getting away with an illegal forward pass resulting in some 40 yard play differential.

        They can’t even call their games straight. Its not enjoying watching games get determined by that. We aren’t watching football We are watching Hochuliball or Correnteball. We used to say you can’t compare this generation football players to last ones. Well you can’t even compare teams in the same season anymore cause who the hell knows what reffing standard was being used.

  • willbest

    officials fucked the eagles

    • willbest

      apology forthcoming right?

  • willbest

    unbelievable. should have challenged just cause you wanted a defensive reboot

  • willbest

    whelp good job refs, i turned off the game 6 commercial breaks before the end because the game is over now

  • BerwynBomber

    Ultimately this might prove helpful to Wentz and the Iggles. Bring them back down to earth. And re-focus them a bit.

    Btw, wonder if there will be a 10 win NFC team that doesn’t make the post-season.

    Are the 2012 Lovie-led Bears the last NFC team to pull that trick?

    • Didn’t the Pats miss the playoffs winning 10 with Cassel?
      Don’t remember when that was.

      yeah, this will be a “good” loss for the Eagles.

      Don’t really want to roll into the playoffs then get punched in the face and don’t know how to react (Pats v Gmen, Panthers- Donks)

      Losses kinda keep you on your toes, make you evaluate your method.

      • willbest

        11 wins with Cassel. Didn’t qualify

    • willbest

      Cardinals were 10-6 in 2013. in fact, if the cards were 11-5 they still would have been bounced from the playoffs

      https://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/nfl/best-nfl-teams-to-miss-the-playoffs.aspx

      Article was written toward the end of the 2014 season. I don’t recall any teams from the last 3 years being similarly screwed

  • Good no call.
    Would’ve been ridicules PI

  • “We saw Aghlor make a play or two”

    Da fuq he talking about?

    Aghlor caught 5 for 100+

    I think that qualifies as a WR doing something.

    I think that Ertz going down really hurt them.

    He’s their X factor

    • BerwynBomber

      They got punched in the mouth. That was the biggest thing. And as we discussed, probably good for PHI in the long run.

      And yup, just like NE, SEA always plays better at the end of the year.

      Helps to have Wilson and Brady, of course, but I think those Nov and Dec W-L records speak volumes about the Hoodie and Pete.

  • BerwynBomber

    Remember when the Pats’ D looked so suck ass the first quarter of the season?

    The last eight games they have given up less than 12 points a game.

    • willbest

      Hoodie must have sent a fresh batch of souls to the dark lord. Somebody should check Boston homeless shelters for missing persons.

  • BerwynBomber

    Herm Edwards is the new HC at AZ State. Wonder if he smelled the axe at the four-letter.

    • willbest

      He he defaults first, defaults best. He probably negotiated a solid severance package to boot.

    • ButtonShoes

      There are apparently a lot of people in Bristol that want to get the hell out. Can’t blame ’em.

  • BerwynBomber

    One last Pats stat for the night.

    NE has now won 10 or more games in 15 straight seasons.

    • willbest

      If I were raised a patriots fan in this era I might turn suicidal if the post Brady era looks like the Bears last 15 years.

      • It’s weird cuz the Pats were the Browns for a looooong time.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The Browns who were in the ‘superbowl’ for ten years in a row under the same QB and winning 7 of them? I wish we were the Browns.

    • Irish Sweetness

      And will have to continue in that vein for 15 years for Bellifat to catch Shula !

      • BearDown100393

        Nothing against Shula but it is worth mentioning non-cap NFL vs cap NFL.

    • Big Mike

      That is probably the most impressive accomplishment in sports. Just doesn’t happen. Shouldn’t happen with the way the draft, free agency etc is set up.

    • BearDown100393

      Hobo yet to win 10 in 3 seasons

  • EnderWiggin

    Watch this:

    By the time I wake up, Barth will be a Bear again.

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  • Irish Sweetness

    So who do we draft? Joint second give or take.

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php

    Walter has us drafting a 6’1 190lb receiver.

    I’ll take the RB or Chubb, but if we are #2 or #3, that trade-down has to be exercised.

    • Big Mike

      Not yet.. Please. How about we just hate on this team for a while.

      • ButtonShoes

        We can do both.

    • ButtonShoes

      Chubb seems like the smart get.

    • BearDown100393

      Who do we draft?

      Vs

      Who does Pace draft?

    • leftcoastdave

      Amen to that, Irish. Lots of teams looking for QBs this year and lots of them out there to draft.

      Here’s a wide receiver you would like:

      http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3128390/allen-lazard

  • fishing florida

    How smart was ALSHON JEFFREY for leaving this mess of a team? He just signed a four year extenstion with a team very possibly going to the super bowl.

    • BearDown100393

      Kudos to his agent.

  • SC Dave

    BTW, the Eagles loss means that Minnesota is now in first place in the NFC by virtue of a better conference record.

    • willbest

      For the moment, they still got to get through us!

    • BearDown100393

      The Vikings might not be the best team in the league but they may very well be the last team any other wants to face in these upcoming playoffs.

      • willbest

        Supposedly Rodgers practiced a bit or something. He has 3 weeks to get himself ready for the vikings and you know he is going to want to fuck them sideways.

  • fishing florida

    you can’t fire ownership, but that is probably what is needed. there is something throughout this organization that is very, very wrong. i don’t see a magic answer coming from bringing on a new coach.

  • BearDown100393

    Was the season highlight Cohen’s TD?

    • willbest

      I would probably vote for Cohen, but I would nominate this one.

  • fishing florida

    Time to shut down long for the season to save his body, and his future for whenever the bears get good, IF EVER. Bears’ Kyle Long: ‘I jacked up my shoulder pretty good’, —–http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4707222/bears-kyle-long-my-shoulder-is-pretty-jacked-up

    • willbest

      Kyle Long needs to seriously consider giving up football for his long term health.

      • fishing florida

        As do many other players. i have severe back problems from football, other sports, work. as my orthopedist says, football players endure many collisions every game that are near concussions.

      • Scharfinator

        It’s got to be a tough choice at that point. You’ve been getting the shit beat out of you for years and FINALLY are making the money for it. Then you decide to bail?

        Hard choice

        • willbest

          Well he was a first round draft pick so he already banked 7 million on that deal. He has also made 19 million since that deal. So at 26 million for 5 years of work he is doing quite well for himself.

          Quite frankly he is in danger of being cut for next year. He is owed about 7.2 million with a 9 million cap vs. 4.5 million in dead money. Do you think Kyle Long will provide top tier guard play for an entire season like he is going to get paid too? I don’t.

          • The difference of $4.3M isn’t enough to justify the cut, IMO. After 2018, though, it becomes much more dicey.

            I think Sitton gets cut this offseason ($8M in cap savings, less than $1M in dead money), with an eye towards potentially replacing Long after 2018. You don’t want to replace both guards at once.

          • willbest

            its not 4.3 million exactly. its 7.2 mil 2018, 1.5 mil prorate, and 3 mil dead next year. They have to pay the piper on the dead regardless. is long worth 7.2 mil? when healthy hell yes. Will he be? no. He isn’t getting healthy in the offseason any more.

          • CanadaBear

            Give him an extra month to heal up, IR him today. He needs shoulder surgery at least. Get that done and then revisit the ankle and hand injuries to see if they need surgery. If next year is a repeat of the last couple, c-ya.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        screw that shit. he needs to quit being a pussy, get healthy and get back out there.

  • willbest

    “The record this year never mattered. What mattered was seeing progress
    and giving the QB experience. Injuries have derailed the defense. Head
    coach has no interest in giving QB anything.” – Jeff

    These seems revisionist. The record was going to be determinative. I said Fox needed 10 wins and a playoff appearance. Others thought the bar might be as low as 6 with an arrow pointing up. Looks like nobody is going to get to test their theory.

    As for Injuries, that isn’t really an excuse. Seattle is missing 2 pro-bowl DBs and still took down Philly. Philly was still in the game until the 4th quarter despite having lost their starting LT. You are going to have to get used to the fact that by December 5 of your 22 week 1 starters won’t be there.

    • Malice Halice

      This Bears franchise is out of excuses.

    • Bears are minus Floyd, Freeman, Young, Demps, Meredith, White, and Long. That’s 7 starters plus Kush, who would be starting for Long if he was healthy. And Trevathan has missed 1/4 of the season, and Amos is out for who knows how long at this point.

      It’s not as ridiculous as last year, but they’ve still been hit harder than most this year. I agree it can’t be an absolute excuse, but you also can’t completely ignore it.

      To me it’s more an indictment of the training staff. This has now happened 3 years in a row. What are you going to do about it?

      • ButtonShoes

        Given the past 3 years, the answer seems to be: nothing.

      • CanadaBear

        Not just the amount of injuries, the Bears have the unique ability to keep getting injured at the same position every year. Typically it happens at the position where the Bears have the least amount of depth. WR’s and LB’s this year!

        • They actually have pretty good depth at ILB, which is why they’ve mostly withstood it well there.

          OLB depth was decent-ish, but literally all of their top 4 (Houston being #4 at start of preseason) was hurt at some points.

          WR depth was nonexistent and really couldn’t afford any significant injuries.

          • CanadaBear

            They managed to mine all the depth at ILB. Ridiculous at OLB. WR’s are hideous. The longer this goes on the less enamored I am with Pace (and I wasn’t too enamored to start with). I’m guessing the new HC will get 4 years (and in danger of being fired after 3) and if he sucks, Pace and the new hire go hand in hand into the sunset. Really depressing.

      • willbest

        white isn’t a starter despite what this organization tries to tell you. So 6. Meredith wasn’t a week 1 starter and actually the WR unit has improved from the week 1 roster with the addition of iman abd removal of white. but yes its not helpful to a young qb to habe his oline hurt and 1 guy to throw to.

        I would fire the trainers and medical staff on principle at this point

        • Meredith wasn’t a week 1 starter? He was supposed to be their #1 WR.

          Getting hurt in the preseason doesn’t mean the injury doesn’t count.

          • willbest

            I did count it it. I said 6 instead of 7. But pretending White was ever supposed to be anything was ridiculous. I was bringing it up to point out that there was time for the staff to adapt to that reality.

  • CanadaBear

    For an old guy that watched every game from the Abe Gibron era, it’s pretty shocking that Foxy broke Abe’s record. FFS Abe had Bobby Douglass at QB.

  • Here’s another playing time mismanagement that bothers me: removing the PHI game, when Hicks sat a bunch because it was a blowout, Hicks has played 197 out of 204 snaps on defense since the bye. That’s 97% of the snaps. Completely unsustainable and absurd for an interior defensive lineman.

    The coaches are overusing him with no regard for the future because they know they won’t be around. If I’m Ryan Pace, I tell Fox, Fangio, and the DL coach that they are all fired on the spot if Hicks tops 50 snaps in a game again this year.

    • to put this into a bit more context:

      the first 4 games, Hicks played almost exactly 50 snaps per game, about 80% of the defensive snaps. That’s about right for a top DL.

      The last 8 games, he’s played about 63 snaps per game, about 89% of the snaps. That’s absurd. And it’s no wonder he’s no longer having the impact he did. He’s too gassed.

  • Sactowns#1

    So to elaborate on my post yesterday about how depressing that loss was. The Bears handed Pace the keys three years ago. We were told then that this was a rebuild. In those three year the team has gotten markedly worse. by comparison, the niners started their rebuild in earnest a year ago. Their future is now much much brighter than that of the Bears. The fact that people are talking about giving Pace another 2-3 years is just shocking to me and utterly depressing.

    • willbest

      Your faith in G is staggering

      • Sactowns#1

        The Niners have two guys they drafted last year who look like STUDS. We have a crappy QB and a guy who is really fast.

        • CanadaBear

          How do you know MT is crappy? If he had WR’s, TE’s and an actual coach with an offensive game plan, there’s a decent chance he would look really good.

          • Sactowns#1

            Oh sweet baby jeebus. The old “If we had WR’s… blah blah blah” Did not having WR’s cause Gomer to overthrow people wildly. Or miss wide open receivers to take numerous sacks? Exactly how many WR’s do the niners have?

          • CanadaBear

            #1 SF has a HC with an offensive clue. MT was 12/15 yesterday, at most that’s 3 bad throws. He was sacked twice yesterday. JG stood in there with almost zero pressure all day and WR’s running all alone in the middle of the field. MT not so much.

          • Sactowns#1

            12 for 15 and I’m guessing each of those passes went about 3 yards.

          • CanadaBear

            So you didn’t see the game …

          • Sactowns#1

            Of course I watched the game. I think he had 2 completions for more than 10 yards. Correct me if i’m wrong.

          • willbest

            Passer rating for the Bears game

            G – 82.4

            Trub – 117.2

          • BerwynBomber

            Way too early to not give Bisky the benefit of the doubt.

            He’s a very green rookie with some appealing, tangible skills (mainly arm and athleticism) and he has no WRs and a questionable HC.

          • ButtonShoes

            AND he has a dumbass GM who has no idea how to put talent around him.

        • willbest

          Surely you aren’t talking about Solomon Thomas with his 2 sacks.

          And we know you consider anything past round 3 to be dumb luck so you aren’t looking at any of those guys. Which leaves Beathard, who we know is garbage. So I guess you mean that Foster and Witherspoon are the two studs.

          Foster looks like a stud with 37 tackles in 6 games. Though I don’t know why he has missed 6 games this season. Was he suspended? He has that risk profile. Witherspoon seems to have earned his way on to the field or maybe injuries got him there. I don’t have PFF so I don’t know how he grades out, but Bryce Callahan has done more with about the same amount of playing time so I don’t know if I would call that studly.

          I don’t really think any sane person is allowed to complain about the 2017 draft at this point to be honest.

          Shaheen looks like he will be a contributor after he develops at the NFL level (TE’s take a season or two). Eddie Jackson was a steal. Sure he was off yesterday but he was paired with a guy who wasn’t even on the roster a week ago. Cohen if they can figure out how to use him properly can cause DC fits. So its just whether Trubisky takes the next step and you have written a dude off based on the fact that he immediately didn’t look like Big Ben or Russel Wilson out of the gate.

    • CanadaBear

      It’s not a foregone conclusion that Pace stays. People thought PE might survive the house cleaning until Kromer went rogue. There’s still 4 more weeks for this clusterfuck.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Ben McAdoo Fired.
    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/giants-reportedly-fire-ben-mcadoo-days-after-he-benches-eli-manning/

    It was reported the Bears want to be more like the Giants. So Fox should be next….

    • ButtonShoes

      Not just McAdoo. Their GM, too. The Giants, unlike the Bears, give a shit about accountability. If the Bears had any balls, both Fox and Pace would have been out on their ass the second the game ended yesterday.

  • CanadaBear

    I’m OK with Pace sticking around for the new hire and to see if that changes anything. Foxy’s staff has been a complete disaster starting with Foxy. At this point I won’t cry if Pace goes down the road with Foxy. Although the thought of George being back to square one with no GM or HC is more than a little frightening.

    • Sactowns#1

      I’m all for a fresh start. Blow it up and start anew.

      • willbest

        There is the spirit. If the GM can’t get a playoff team out there in 3 years then send him packing. Of course a new GM next year will still have Trubisky on the roster.

        • Sactowns#1

          I’m not even asking for playoffs. I’m asking for slight improvement. maybe a .00 team?

    • ButtonShoes

      That’s the truly terrifying part. Pace is supposed to be their football guy. When he gets canned, who the hell hires the GM? We know the McCaskeys and Philips can’t do it and will screw it up. You’re screwed as long as those jokers are in charge.

      • Cubsnlinux

        Who else but the immortal all-knowing Ernie Eccorsi

  • CanadaBear
    • BerwynBomber

      His #1 point was one I tried to make yesterday on the thread (though Biggsy provided a ton more detail and is obviously gobs more informed on it). I don’t see it as excessively pessimistic. More that we shouldn’t assume this is the #1 HC opening in the off-season.

      Btw, the Bears declining Fuller’s fifth year option looks REALLY bad right now.

      • CanadaBear

        Yeah, I thought JW got a little carried away with that yesterday. I’m somewhere between JW and Biggsy. I’m not sold on Fuller at all and you can’t blame the Bears for passing on his 5th-year option when the guy can’t get on the field all year after a clean up procedure that normally takes 4 weeks max. Fuller looks really good sometimes and then horrible other times.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, I’ve always been a fan of Fuller (w/ some caveats/reservations), so mine is not the normal DBB opinion of the guy.

          Will be interested to see what the market thinks of him.

      • willbest

        Fuller’s 5th year option was about 8.5 million. And the team would have been committed to that number if it exercised it. What about Fuller’s play the first 3 years of his career made that seem like a good idea? And its important to note that he isn’t overplaying that number. He isn’t a top 10 guy commanding 12+ million. A 10-25 guy that commands around 9 million.

        Now the bears obvious problem are he is rumored to not like Vic, and why would you take 9 mil a year from the Bears when you can get it from an organization that doesn’t suck balls. The former of that will at least be cleared up before FA as Vic will be cleared out with Fox the 1st week of January. Nothing can be done about the other aspect at this point.

        In theory they could tag him since there doesn’t appear to be anybody else they need to use it on, but that puts him over 14 million, which is way too much to offer him based on his current play.

  • CanadaBear

    How fucking bad is Marcus Wheaton? When you can’t get on the field ahead of UFA’s … The more I look at Pace’s FA’s the more pissed I get.

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