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Data Responds: Bears at Eagles

| November 26th, 2017

Well that was ugly. This one felt like a few drubbings the 2014 Bears received after the Bears had quit on Marc Trestman. The John Fox era is officially over, though we almost certainly still have to endure 5 more games before it becomes official. Hopefully those games aren’t all this ugly.

The Bears were never going to win on the road against the best team in the NFL, but they looked completely unprepared in every possible way. They picked up penalties, had zero creativity or imagination anywhere, and were generally outschemed, outcoached, and out-executed.

I’m not going to focus much on coaching, because this staff is obviously finished, but one particular atrocity deserves special attention. Facing 3rd and 17 from their own 1 yard line, the Bears called time out to save half a yard from a delay of game penalty. That’s bad enough, but the worst is the offense had only 10 men on the field after an injury time out gave them more than 2 minutes to prepare. That’s a team with comically inept coaching.

I’m going to focus most of my specific observations on the first half, because quite honestly I didn’t pay as much attention after that. The 24-0 halftime deficit meant the game was over by then anyway (honestly, it was over well before halftime).

Offense

  • Mitchell Trubisky threw an early INT on an inaccurate throw, and it caused the coaching staff to turtle back into their worst habits. It was a long time before they let him throw past the line of scrimmage again, and even then that only came on 3rd and long. Instead, they chose to repeatedly run out of heavy sets into loaded boxes. You might be surprised to learn this was not an effective strategy.

  • Trubisky continued to struggle with accuracy but showed the ability (in flashes) to make some nice plays. Overall it was not a good game from him (or any Bear, really). His accuracy seems to be getting worse by the week. I don’t have anything more to add there, besides the fact that he fumbled a snap for the 2nd week in a row. That’s something that will improve with time.
  • Chicago’s offense had two drives that started at midfield or better in the first quarter. Those drives ended in 0 1st downs, 1 punt, and 1 missed field goal. That’s not how you beat good teams.
  • Speaking of 1st downs, the Bears didn’t pick up any of them in the 1st half. Zero. They totaled 17 plays and 33 yards. They did manage to have a bunch of penalties though, so that’s something.
  • Rookie tight end Adam Shaheen whiffed on a block early in the game, and was summarily benched in favor of veteran disappointment Dion Sims. Sims outsnapped Shaheen 14 to 10 in the first half. So much for all of the “Shaheen has earned more snaps” talk from coaches this week. Shaheen got back on the field in the 2nd half and promptly picked up a false start. It was just that kind of day for the Bears.
  • After a nice performance last week, Chicago’s OL was terrible this week. They got absolutely dominated in both the run and pass games. Most of the focus will be elsewhere, but the Bears absolutely lost this game in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
  • WR Dontrelle Inman had the worst game of his young Bears career as well. He dropped a few passes that should have been caught and just stopped running mid-route while the ball was headed towards him. That turned what would have been a perfect pass into what looked like an overthrow.
  • Speaking of terrible wide receiver play, Tre McBride stopped running his route right as it was about to come open on a 4th down. Consequently, Trubisky’s pass went to nowhere instead of being an easy 1st down (and then some).

Defense

  • It was a rough day for rookie safety Eddie Jackson, who whiffed on two early tackles that led to big plays by Philadelphia. On the first, running back LeGarrette Blount ran right by him untouched, picking up 35 yards before Adrian Amos forced a fumble. On the 2nd, wide receiver Nelson Agholor ran right around him on a WR screen for a 15 yard touchdown. Later in the first half, he whiffed on Blount again. Tackling was the biggest knock on Jackson coming into the draft, and after mostly being solid this season, it showed up in a big way. Hopefully this was a one-week aberration and not a sign of things to come.
  • Just for good measure, Jackson let an easy pick 6 slip through his fingers in the 2nd half. The ball then deflected to Cre’von LeBlanc, who also dropped the easy interception. It was that kind of day for the Bears.
  • Speaking of Adrian Amos, he gave up a number of easy completions down the field. The Eagles picked on him in this one, and after showing improvement in coverage for most of 2017, he returned to being a liability there, just like he was in 2015 and 2016. Like with Jackson, hopefully this won’t continue to be an issue going forward.
  • Unsurprisingly, the pass rush was nonexistent with Akiem Hicks banged up and Leonard Floyd out. The Bears entered this game minus all four of their starting linebackers from week one (three of whom are out for the year), and it showed.
  • Personnel decisions continued to be a bit baffling. For some reason, Chicago decided to rotate Sherrick McManis in with Cre’von LeBlanc at nickelback, and outside linebacker Sam Acho played far too many snaps instead of younger players capable of more development like Isaiah Irving and Howard Jones. It appears that Acho and Dion Sims are going to be this year’s Tracy Porter and Mitch Unrein, mediocre veterans who continue to play ahead of more talented young players down the stretch of a lost season for no good reason.
  • I guess I get benching LeBlanc, as Philadelphia repeatedly picked on him early in the passing game and he missed an easy sack of QB Carson Wentz. But Sherrick McManis?
  • Outside CBs Prince Amukamara and Kyle Fuller both struggled a bit today as well. It’s hard to cover for an extended period of time when the pass rush can’t even bother the quarterback.
  • One good thing that happened is 2nd year DE Jonathan Bullard played more snaps this week. I didn’t notice him a ton, but he did get a nice sack after chasing Went down from behind and was immediately in the backfield to blow up a running play in the 4th quarter.

Special Teams

  • The special teams and offense had quite the competition to see who could be the worst unit on the day. I’m not sure which group ended up “winning.”
  • It was a brutal start to the game for the third phase. On their first punt return, Tarik Cohen let the ball bounce instead of making an easy fair catch, costing the Bears an easy 5 yards. Marcus Cooper also picked up a holding penalty on the return, forcing Chicago to start inside their own 5 yard line. After a three and out, Pat O’Donnell had the whole field to work with and shanked a 34 yard punt. As a result of these three miscues, Philadelphia needed only 44 yards to take the early 7-0 lead.
  • Things didn’t get much better rom there, as new kicker Cairo Santos missed his first field goal attempt as a Bear. In Santos’ defense, it was a 54 yarder, but the kick wasn’t even close. Maybe the Bears should consider going for it on 4th and short (as Philadelphia did successfully twice in the 1st half) instead of trying a long kick.
  • Just for good measure, the Bears added a kick return penalty and partially blocked punt on the same drive in the 2nd quarter.
  • Tarik Cohen has been awful as a return man. He’s indecisive and consistently costs his team yardage. But I want him to continue returning both kickoffs and punts, because the Bears are 3-8 and need to see where they might have answers. Cohen has a great skill set that could translate to a top-shelf return man, but he needs more experience. Whatever they’re doing to coach him up there needs to improve dramatically, though, because he keeps making the same stupid mistakes time after time.
  • We saw what Cohen can be as a return man at the start of the 2nd half, when he used his speed to get through the hole and returned the opening kickoff 39 yards.

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  • Malice Halice

    Hopefully we top 3 in da draft.

    • SC Dave

      Hopefully, we win every game left. You want to be Cleveland?

      • Juan Stone

        Dave…. we are Cleveland. Just sayin.

      • Tortured Bear fan

        we are not far from them

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    I have not figured out what Cohen is doing on a lot of his punt returns. Too many punts he lets bounce even when he could easily fair catch them.

    • willbest

      I think it goes beyond trying to hit a home run on every one of them. Its he thinks if he doesn’t hit a home run the offense isn’t going to do anything.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      I don’t think he’s got the mental skills to be a returner. Great athlete, but his decisions in the return game are almost always bad.

      • SC Dave

        He’s a rookie. Coaches are supposed to help.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          Agreed. They don’t seem to be getting it done

    • AlbertInTucson

      WAY too much dancing on kickoff returns.

  • willbest

    ” It was a long time before they let him throw past the line of scrimmage again”
    By along time you mean 6 Bears plays later. It just seemed like a long time because the Eagles had the ball for 6-8 minutes inbetween.

    • BerwynBomber

      Hard to achieve that perspective when your default criticism of every loss with Mitch Trubisky (or Jay Cutler) is … PLAYCALLING!!!

      • SC Dave

        I’m almost afraid to watch the replay. Trubisky *less* accurate?

        Gods save us.

        • CanadaBear

          It was a bad game by everyone. MT was off all day but it’s not like he had time to survey the field very often.

          • SC Dave

            So I watched the first half on gamepass. The throw down the sideline where Inman got shaken up could easily have been a 98 yard touchdown. Trubisky’s ability to lead a man down the sideline appears non-existent.

  • willbest

    “So much for all of the “Shaheen has earned more snaps”

    Yeah but then Sims made the most heads up play of the half (I would say game but I didn’t watch the second half)

  • fishing florida

    trubisky. one the attributes pace mentioned repeatedly when drafting trubisky and later when defending his choice was his passing accuracy. for weeks now i have not seen it. what a sad game to watch as a bears fan. so far from the playoff teams.

    • SC Dave

      There was that great preseason game tho!

    • antityco

      The shift key is your friend.

      • fishing florida

        pathetic. that’s all you have? appear to be another barely educated trumpbilly.

      • fishing florida

        i checked out the rest of your comments. never anything of any substance. low I.Q.

  • ButtonShoes

    The funny thing about all this is that people are going to keep saying the Bears are, somehow, still a good team. Secretly. Like, if we were at full strength, man we would have hosed the Eagles. Even though good teams don’t let days like this happen. Ever. Bad teams, on the other hand? Stuff like this is par for the course.

  • willbest

    I think this game was worse than the Packers game, because at least the Bears didn’t give you a reason to stop watching it. They were still in it. This is really the first game of the Trubisky era where they just had no shot. Glennon fucked us with a billion TOs against TB, and you don’t ever expect to have a chance against a Rodgers Packer team in GB. But every other game there was at least a path to victory in the 4th quarter. This game there wasn’t a path to victory after the 3rd possession.

    • BerwynBomber

      No fucking way.

      This was one of the best teams in the league on their home turf with the potential MVP QB against our banged up D.

      GB was Brett Hundley at Soldier after a bye.

      • willbest

        But it was a watchable game. Pissed at the results. Pissed given the circumstances. But it didn’t waste your time. It would have been just better for the Bears organization and the fan base to forfeit this game. Get healthy, and take 2 weeks to prepare for San Fran

        • BerwynBomber

          I’ll take a win against a Rodgers-less Packers over a competitive game vs. the Wentz-led Iggles any day of the week.

          The unwatchable part mostly came down to the degree of opposition. We played horribly in each.

          Horribly against the Cheese cost us a win. Horribly against the Iggles cost us a semi-respectable showing. And we were healthier in the Hundley game.

    • Big Mike

      Nothing is ever worse than losing to the Packers. Your take on football is astounding. The team we lost to today has beaten its last three opponents by 25+ points.

      • willbest

        Really? Because of all the losses I would want changed it would be against the Colts in the SB. So your take on football is astounding.

        • Big Mike

          Obviously. Regular season.

    • BearDown100393

      There are no good losses.

      Losing is losing.

      • AlbertInTucson

        But there ARE watchable and UNwatchable games.

        Today was the latter.

  • ButtonShoes

    Oh, and count on John Fox to still be head coach of this team by the end of the day. Because in the end, there’s no demand for accountability from shitheads like the McCaskeys. A real owner would have fired his ass the second he came off the field. Hell, a real owner would have fired his ass right after the Peckers game.

    • willbest

      If you know that Vic and Birdcage aren’t the answer, then you don’t fire Fox. If the team quits on him, you get better draft capital. If they rally around Vic and win a couple then you lose that.

      • ButtonShoes

        Yeah, yeah, I know. I just…I really fucking hate John Fox.

        • willbest

          But without Fox coming to town I wouldn’t have had to listen to this 4,359 times

          • ButtonShoes

            Now if having to listening to that all the time isn’t a reason to fire Fox, I dunno what is.

    • BearDown100393

      The Bears have not had a real owner since Halas.

      • SC Dave

        Current owner is a Halas

        • BearDown100393

          Keep telling yourself that

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Holy crap sticks!!! That is not something you can argue.

          • willbest

            One flesh. She is a McCaskey.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Like nobody realized he meant Papa Bear?

          • SC Dave

            And who, exactly, dictated how his team should be passed down?

  • BerwynBomber

    Said this on the earlier thread but will repeat.

    This game didn’t upset me like the Brett Hundley game.

    This was one of the best teams in the league playing at home against one of the worst teams in league playing on the road with a banged up D.

    Bisky and the Oline were terrible but nothing otherwise was too surprising.

    • Big Mike

      Next week is a better test. Home against an opponent who is mired in the shit, just like us. Can they put together a winning game plan. Can they execute it. Who has heart.

  • SC Dave

    Weather was beautiful here, so I spent the day outside. A good choice.

    On the bright side, Alabama lost yesterday.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Frankly, I don’t give a rip.

  • BuddhaJoe

    I know it won’t happen but there’s no legitimate reason left to keep Fox after today. Maybe Fangio sucks too but may as well find out at this point.

    • the McCaskeys for some odd reason are proud they never fired an HC in-season, and that’s saying something with all the asshats Bears had at HC.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Well … he knows sweet fanny adams about playing defense, I tells ya that.

  • The entire team is handicapped by Fox.

    The Oline struggled because Sitton was out, Sowell in, and Long is playing with a bum shoulder, knee, ankle…We all know Massie is a JAG who can’t handle speed rushers…

    And when the coach wants to get back to “basics” (Howard 7 yds) and the D stacks the box and blitzes at will because they’re playing with no fear…

    Well, bad things happen.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      our best offensive play was all the offsides penalties. Eagles did not care they knew we weren’t going to do anything and they were itching to tee off.

      • willbest

        This is now the 4 eagles game I have seen, its just their year. They are complete on both sides of the ball.

    • willbest

      Sadly Massie is a starting quality RT in the NFL. Sure you want better, but you are more likely than not going to fail at replacing him.

      Anyway, its easy to blame Fox, but quite frankly Fox didn’t tell Fuller to fall down, he didn’t tell Mitch to get happy feet or fumble the snap, etc, etc, etc, etc. They clearly aren’t executing the plan that is being given them. You can argue its a shit plan, but how can you tell with all the mistakes the players are making?

      Well he isn’t coaching them to their potential? That is a reasonable theory, but it remains unproven. Yes its why Elway fired him, but then the Donks weren’t woefully under performing under Fox. They were still a playoff team. The Bears are dogshit. If Fox is handicapping them, he is merely preventing them from being below average.

      • Isn’t failure to execute and penalties on the coach as much as the players?

        And yes, it’s a shit plan, so even if executed, the plan more often than not leads to losses.

        Fox had little to do with the Donkey’s success.

        They had a historically great D with Von Miller playing out of his mind, and Peyton generaling the O .

        That’s why Elway fired him.

        He realized that Fox was holding them back or treading water AT BEST.

        Fox is a liability.

        It’s like playing chess against a 10 yr old.

        Even if he executes his plan, it’s not likely going to win.

  • Big Mike

    Cant take credit for this. Fans should adopt this as their avatar
    https://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/firefox_2017_logo.jpg

    • willbest

      What amuses me is that despite ragging me on this loss being worse than the Packers loss, you didn’t just on the firefox train until this loss.

      • Big Mike

        After the packers game I wanted him fired at the end of the year. Still do.
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      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Will, ran upon a new legal scenario that boggles my mind.

        I’ve got a couple of small place in Northern Michigan on a lake. One is purely an investment. The second is our getaway place.

        So this year we decide to rent our place along with the investment property for the winter. Never done it, but what the hell.

        Lease it to a single lady with the stipulation that it’s for one occupant only. She writes me a check for First months rent and deposit. All is settled, we head for home three hours away. Ten days later I get notice the check bounced. She apologizes, swears she’ll send a money order the next day. Never happens. She goes radio silence.

        So after a week of this, I text her that she has five days to vacate the premises and I’ll agree to part ways. No eviction, no court, just a clean break and we move on provided the place is in good condition. She agrees.

        Moving day, and she texts me that she’s out, but “Joe won’t leave.” Who the fuck is Joe? He’s her cousin that she allowed to move in illegally. That’s who.

        So I call the Sheriff because I need this perfect stranger without permission to be in my cabin, removed. Turns out, if she let him stay there, he has tenant’s rights.

        So a complete stranger, I didn’t know was in my house, who has no agreement with me, gets to stay while I push through the eviction process, take him to court, etc. The guy has no money, no job, no drivers license, no car. So guess what I’ll get. Nothing.

        That’s a real thing that is happening within the boundaries of our legal system. Holy fuck.

        • willbest

          Welcome to the world of residential real estate rental. . It can get ugly. He shouldn’t be too difficult to get out. The county clerk should be able to help direct you to the proper forms. You probably don’t need an attorney if you are good with that sort of thing, unless he decides to show up with a forged lease. It has happened.

          As for the law itself, it probably stems from some case where a landlord tried to evict wife and infant or something. There are more tenant voters than landlord voters so there tends to be some rather bizarre protections for tenants and occupants occasionally.

      • Big Mike

        I really hate losing to the Packers. We were coming off a bye week. Had everything going for us, a competitive season was there for the taking. After that game, I felt Fox was done. I didn’t and still don’t see any point to firing him mid-season.

  • SC Dave

    What astonishes me infinitely more than the stupidest Fox challenge flag is this hoping a young team loses for draft position.

    Are you fucking insame? Do you want to be the Cleveland Brown’s?

    Damnit, you need a young core to be WINNERS, not festering garbage losing games for the sake of draft order.

    The stupidity of it is mind-boggling.

    • Big Mike

      The draft nerds love the draft and the endless debate more than the game

      • ButtonShoes

        Given the way this Bears team plays, I don’t blame them.

    • willbest

      I am sorry, I thought players were professionals.

    • BerwynBomber

      To each their own.

      Just hard to get jazzed about a high draft slot four years in a row.

      • CanadaBear

        It would be nice if one of these top 10 picks would come in and light it up a little. Floyd has shown flashes of it. No matter how much the McCaskey’s love Pace (Jeff’s words, not mine) the next coaching hire better be a home run and the roster better get a lot of improvements.

      • The difference this yr is that we have a shot at the #3 pick.

        IF Bears ‘earn’ that pick, we could pick up a Myles Garret/Clowney type player because I’m expecting #1 and #2 to be QBs.

        And god knows we need a stud OLB opposite Floyd.

        Or, if there’s a Julio Jones type of WR

        • ButtonShoes

          If we pick that high there’s going to be a lot of trading down on Pace’s part. He needs to get draft picks to replace the ones he keeps trading away like they were nothing.

  • CanadaBear

    What a beat down. There wasn’t anything positive to take away from this game. Although at some point in the second half they had the bottom of the roster out there on D. Shut down Long for the year. The Beloved got beat every way possible. At some point I half expected the Phi players to be in the middle of a weenie roast on the sideline. All fun and games. The flag fest got old but I was shocked when they picked up that bogus flag on Wright. Fucking POD. Send him wherever Connor Barth went. Sure not going to miss this coaching staff. Not really any good memories or stretches under Foxy. Pace better get the next hire correct because MT has a long way to go.

    • DaMurph

      One positive, don’t think anyone ended up on IR!

      • CanadaBear

        You ray of sunshine Murph! This was pretty much the game I expected. I don’t even get pissed during the games. Part of that is being baked but most of it is from lowered expectations.

        • Irish Sweetness

          MWAH!

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      Pace’s coaching hire is everything. He’s full boat on Trubisky. That ship has sailed for better or for worse. If he can’t get him coached up, he’s done. And we spin the wheel again.

      • CanadaBear

        Totally agree. I’d like to think Pace already has some feelers out for the next hire.

      • At least if Pace/Trub flame out, the next regime should be in sync from the word GO.

        None of this – HC before GM, then QB ,then HC crap.

        GM/HC/QB will sink or swim together.

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    • This is pretty much the team I imagined under Fox.

      Pace didn’t do him any favors in FA either, deciding once more for bargain specials, which aren’t playing in late Nov.

      Agree on POD. Dump him.

      His PS was promising, but he just seems to shank it at the worst possible times.

      He has a leg, but nothing else.

      Can’t coffin corner even on a short field.

      Agree with the Monkey.

      Everything now depends on his next HC/OC.

      But we all knew this already.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Remember when everybody said Peyton Manningdid nothing for Broncos. So what changed?”

    1. Their HC
    2. Their D (they were all-world the year than won the SB now they’re merely good)
    3. CJ Anderson

    And yes, Peyton was a little better than Semien/Oz/Lynch but he still sucked.

  • CanadaBear

    Not that I’m jumping off a bridge but today was the first time I’ve ever seriously thought, what if MT isn’t the answer? I’m not down on him and I know the surrounding cast (on the field and the sidelines) hasn’t helped a lot but the inaccuracy is usually due to happy feet and sometimes that never goes away. I’m still 90% sure MT will be a good pick but until today it was high 90’s.

    • BuddhaJoe

      I said it on the last thread, can’t call him a bust yet but he’s sucked for the most part. I realize he’s got shit to work with but he barely cracks 50% completion rate.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m nowhere close to calling him a bust. You can clearly see the talent.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          Hard to say either way. The arrow has been pointing up mostly. Today he took a step back and looked terrible from the jump. For now, I’m chalking it up to the growing pains we all expected. We just have to wait and see. I’m like you in that I think he’ll pan out. But that’s far from a certainty.

        • SC Dave

          What I see is a guy that cannot lead a WR down the sideline.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I think they should be able to work through the footwork in the offseason. I know the CBA limits how much time the coaches (whomever they may be) can spend with players. So it would be beneficial for Pace to set MT up with one of the QB Gurus that all QBs seem to go to. Someone like Tom House who has worked with Brady, Brees, Matt Ryan, Goff etc. He can put the time in on footwork and mechanics.

      • CanadaBear

        MT wants it so that certainly is a reason for optimism.

        • No one doubts MT’s drive, that’s for sure.

          But sooner or later his words gotta translate to results.

          • ButtonShoes

            The next five games should prove very enlightening. Against the Niners, Bengals and Browns he ought to look better. But who knows.

      • Footwork was the major concern since PS. They were focusing on that, esp from center – and that’s why they wanted Trub to sit more so his happy feet don’t become engraved.

        Trub’s feet remind me of Manziel’s.

        He just looks nervous in the pocket. Clumsy inconsistent foot placement that makes balls sail, late, or both.

        This is esp true if he feels the rush which is why teams stack the box and blitz him.

        Can Trub break that mentality?

        Dunno. Let’s all hope so. Let’s hope his happy feet aren’t hardwired like Cutler’s backpaddling or ball security.

        • BearDown100393

          Mitch Trubisky is not a fundamentally sound quarterback.

          • Think they said it was only like his 15th start since HS total.

            So hes’ just raw.

            Of course, Pace took the gamble on being able to shape that raw material into a franchise QB, so it’s all on him going forward.

          • ButtonShoes

            Raw is dangerous for a team like the Bears. When you have a shitty track record of development, especially when it comes to QBs, you want to take as little risk as possible. But this team under Pace is allergic to sure things. And Pace’s need to gamble on every draft pick he makes is going to get him fired at some point.

          • BearDown100393

            Next draft Pace will be gambling on Pop Warner kids

    • BearDown100393

      He might be an answer elsewhere.

    • SC Dave

      The first time? I thought it on draft day.

    • madscout12

      Literally everyone not named Hicks, Goldman, Bullard, and Prince played like abject garbage today. POD was shit. Return game was shit. Secondary dropped at least 3 picks. They rushed for less than 10 yards. There was dropped pass after dropped pass. Penalties on the OLine who seems to be the only team in the league to get called for holding 6 times a game. And our rookie QB has to be the one to pull it out of his ass. Go watch another team and count how many throws QBs get to make to WIDE OPEN WRs. It is more than 0, unlike this team.

      Kid made mistakes today. He has some mechanics to work on in the offseason. But Christ, let’s get him some weapons and a coaching staff that understands offensive football before we run him out of town.

      • BerwynBomber

        CB was not advocating that we run him out of town.

        • madscout12

          I’m aware. But the amount of bitching on this blog about a rookie QB is maddening. Makes you understand why this franchise has had shit for a QB forever…because people flat out don’t understand what it takes to develop and sustain offensive success around a young signal caller.

          • BerwynBomber

            Who has bitched about him? BD? That’s pretty much it. And there are more than a fair share of fans ready to rationalize or mitigate his every mistake.

            He’ll either succeed or fail and it will have very little to do with the lack of understanding that you perceive on DBB.

          • madscout12

            “He’ll either succeed or fail and it will have very little to do with the lack of understanding that you perceive on DBB.”

            Well said. Truth.

          • BearDown100393

            To date, he’s failed.

            The Bears have been incapable of properly coaching him.

            Birdcage and Hobo are not on the same page regarding Trubisky. Last week’s presser with Mitch revealed it.

    • BerwynBomber

      Semi-similar thought here. Mine?

      What if a new set of WRs and a new HC aren’t the complete panacea many think they will be?

      Remember how the hardcore Cutler supporters were always claiming Jay was missing this and that, and then it became a constant shell game to avoid admitting “no, it’s just Jay”?

      I’m still optimistic about Bisky (though I always thought his “wow” plays were a tad overstated and I’m beginning to question his ultimate ceilng), but I hope we don’t see a repeat of the past in terms of blind faith, excuse-making, talent-teasing, etc., etc.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Never can shit on a rook QB. He’ll be fine.

      Troy Aikman. 0-11/

  • AlbertInTucson

    Frankly, I thought the defense did well to hold the Eagles to 34, considering the offense managed diddly.

    • CanadaBear

      I thought Phi took their foot off the gas more than the D stepped up.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Jordan Howard: 7 carries for 6 yards.

        • CanadaBear

          He was routinely stacked up behind the LOS. He has to work on the passing game to become a top back.

          Hicks and Jones made some plays early in the game and then most of the plays were down the field 10 yds. At one point I had to look at the names on the back of the jerseys. They had Friar, McMannis, Bush and Timu in the game at the same time. YIKES!

          • SC Dave

            I’d be willing to bet he has 100 yards games that started out about 7 yards on 7 carries.

            But I have yet to watch today’s shit show

        • ButtonShoes

          I can’t blame him for that. Going up against the best run defense in the league, and he has zero help anywhere else in that offense to make things easier on him. There’s only so much he can do.

  • wreckinball

    Well so awful that they switched games where I was at

  • BearDown100393

    Steelers playing down to their opponent yet again tonight.

    • Steelers ALWAYS do that.

      That’s the difference between the Eagles/Pats and the Steelers.

      Eagles/Pats crush scrubs and move on.

      • wreckinball

        But they are good at night

    • madscout12

      Loved that hold right up the middle on the TD throw. If that’s the bears, the laundry is on the field immediately. Center flat out hugged the rusher.

  • BerwynBomber

    PIT looks like one of the sloppiest, give-a-fuck 8-2 teams ever.

    • ButtonShoes

      That explains why we beat them.

  • ButtonShoes

    “Seth Walder‏ @SethWalder

    Mitchell Trubisky recorded the third-worst single-game Total QBR among qualifying quarterbacks since 2006 today. He posted a 0.54, better only than Peyton Manning (0.35) in Week 10 of 2015 and Jay Cutler (0.50) in Week 4 of 2010.”

    Sigh.

    • BerwynBomber

      But … but … playcalling!!!

      Yeah, he sucked today. Hope to chalk it up to a learning experience and move on.

      • ButtonShoes

        Yeah, I hope this is just a one-time thing.

  • wreckinball

    Hundley is awful

    • BerwynBomber

      But PIT is managing to make him look like a top 10 QB.

      What an embarrassing showing by them thus far.

    • BearDown100393

      And still beat the Bears

      • wreckinball

        Agree
        But you have to add in Mathews
        Who although good turns into Superman against the Bears

        • BearDown100393

          Every week a Superman shows to beat the Bears.

          • wreckinball

            True

  • wreckinball

    WTF
    Pit D two big time blows

  • madscout12

    Jebus, Pitt.

  • FresnoBear88

    We need new ownership plain and simple. Until then nothing will change… sigh….

    • FresnoBear88

      Every year it is always false hope and we dumbasses fall for it all the time.

      • BearDown100393

        Many but not all.

    • ButtonShoes

      That’s the complete solution to fixing this mess, yes. Until it happens we’ll have to settle for nibbling on the edges, hoping people like Fox and Pace get fired and replaced, with any luck, something better.

      • FresnoBear88

        We wished the same with Jouron, Lovie, Trestman, and now Fox. We get played for dumbass fans every year. I love the Bears but fuck jumping ship sometimes feels like a better deal for my heartache.

        • Did you really have hope with Fox?

          I never did, but I guess I was at the ‘extreme” of thinking Fox was a baboon.

          The most I hoped from Albino Lovie was that he restore some semblance of order post Trestman, and MAYBE reach .500.

          How others could’ve hoped for me is beyond me.

          Hope springs eternal every august I guess.

          • ButtonShoes

            Wasn’t Fox sold to us with the promise of hope? With what he did in Carolina and Denver? That was certainly the line we were fed repeatedly back in 2016 when we hired him. Not that I ever believed it: I thought the same way you do…that he’s basically the White Lovie.

          • BearDown100393

            It took a paid consultant to dream up John Fox.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            I don’t think it was a stretch to hope Fox would stabilize things when he was hired. His track record at that time suggested that was likely.

            But it sure as hell didn’t work. Pace is going to be hiring for his own job with the coming off season.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      I’ve heard rumors they plan to sell.

      • ButtonShoes

        Let’s hope those rumors are true.

        • BearDown100393

          #SellDaBears

  • FresnoBear88

    I can seriously say that today I’ve hit rock bottom with the Bears. Every year it’s the same excuse after excuse. I’m fuckin tired of losing.

    • ButtonShoes

      I remember feeling that way back in ’98. Jesus was Wannstadt terrible.

      • FresnoBear88

        I’m telling you man this shit has to end at some point right? Fucks sake how much more depressing does this shit get?

        • ButtonShoes

          As a Cubs fan, I can tell you that it can end. But the end of this and the beginning of something better will only start with the McCaskeys selling the team. They’re the constant through all these decades of being terrible. That has to be addressed first. If it is, there’s a real chance for better days ahead.

        • “I’m telling you man this shit has to end at some point right?”

          That’s the same things Cubs fan said for, ohhhh, 100 yrs lol

          • ButtonShoes

            And things only got better when the Tribune Company sold to Tom Ricketts.

            Ownership. That’s where this shit starts.

          • wreckinball

            True
            But that is the record for pathetic
            Hopefully we don’t have to endure that
            I won’t be around if it happens

    • Don’t worry, there’s always a new rock bottom to look forward to!

      #BearsFan

      I think the Saints game under Tresty was as low as it gets.
      Then the Bears lost to the Packers without Rodgers, 2 RBs, their starting OT, on a short week, at home, after a bye.

      Those are the two rock bottom games for me.

      Saints
      Packers

      The Bucs game last yr was pretty bad, but at least it FINALLY destroyed the Cutler delusions, so it was needed.

      • BearDown100393

        Rating the rock bottom games.

        Wow.

      • A7Xthebest

        Says the guy who brings Cutler up more than anyone…

      • SC Dave

        The worst game for me remains losing the Halas trophy to Green Bay at home.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Cheer up Fres! UFC Fresno is coming!

  • wreckinball

    Game correction
    And over

    • madscout12

      Time for Hundley to start fumbling and throwing picks. My fantasy team could use it.

    • ButtonShoes

      Good. Fuck those shitbag cheeseheads. Let ’em suffer.

  • The never too early draft talk. I finally peaked at a mock draft just out of curiosity.

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php

    Walter F mocks WR Calvin Ridley to us at #6

    “I think the Bears would jump all over the top wide receiver prospect in the class if they have the ability to obtain him. Kevin White has been a bust thus far, while Cameron Meredith’s long-term status is unclear because of the brutal injury he suffered in the preseason. The Bears need to give Mitchell Trubisky a viable No. 1 receiver”

    First, I think we’ll def get a top #5 pick.

    I don’t see the Gmen, Donks or Colts losing more than our quitters.

    Secondly, a 6’1 188 pound WR?

    Yikes.

    That’s too risky for me.

    Just our luck.

    We get a high pick, and there doesn’t seem to be a war-daddy pass rusher or LT.

    • There are a few high level pass rushers, and I think one high level OT. But edge has to be biggest need, IMO. As we saw today, they have nothing besides Floyd.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah but how many teams I have two high level OLBs?

        Not convinced that is a top 10 pick PoN for us.

  • ButtonShoes

    “Derrick Gunn @RealDGunnNBCS

    The Chicago Bears are still on the tarmac in Philly. Their plane broke and they’re waiting for another to arrive”

    Oh for fuck’s sake.

    • They should just stay on the tarmac.

    • BearDown100393

      Had to break on the ground…

      • A7Xthebest

        That’s fucked up.

        • BearDown100393

          So is losing.

  • willbest

    So were we officially eliminated from playoff contention today?

    • ButtonShoes

      I think that happens with one more loss. Not sure though. If Fox loses next week he officially becomes the worst Bears coach of all time though, with a lower winning percentage than Abe Gibron.

      • willbest

        I just played with the ESPN playoff machine. The Bears can nab an 8-8 record and can make the playoffs provided that Saints Rams, and eagles win out, with a complete meltdown of carolina and the lions.

        So powerball level odds.

  • Tortured Bear fan

    worst here, worst there… it seems couching staff brings the WORST of every player rookie or not, and it happens every season since quiet a long

    • ButtonShoes

      And 5 more games of it, too!

      • BearDown100393

        49ers…. Browns…. Bears….

        Oh my

  • Dis Guy Trublinsky

    Until further notice, the Bears are not going to be sold. Turns out, it’s a privately held company that continues to make it’s owners wealthy.

    Better come up with a plan B.

    • BearDown100393

      Bring back the Cardinals

  • wreckinball

    Steelers are keeping GB in the game
    But they will win
    Didn’t watch the Bears GB game
    How the fuck did the Bears lose to them?
    Hundley is awful

    • BearDown100393

      Mitch was worse

      • wreckinball

        Watched some of it before cutoff
        Don’t agree
        Rough granted but hope

        Hundley will never be good

    • GB owned the LOS against Chicago.

  • Viva

    They don’t deserve our time.

    • BearDown100393

      They haven’t since firing Smith.

  • BearDown100393

    Time to trade Erin.

  • madscout12

    Jebus. Guess this means the AFC sucks.

    • BearDown100393

      Steelers don’t show up every night,

  • wreckinball

    Wow
    What a bad call
    Punt or go for it

  • wreckinball

    Right now worst droughts
    Indians baseball
    Maple Leafs Hockey
    Cardinals football
    Kings basketball

  • Bell is just so awesome to watch.

    most elusive since vintage Shady and Barry Sanders.

    But with much better hands.

    • aaand jinxed him.

    • wreckinball

      Not even in the same the league as Barry

      • Well, Barry was probably the most elusive back of all time

        But be curious to see their missed tackle rate matched up.

        Bell is also more all around. vision, hands, route runner, can drop his pads when needed, solid pass pro.

        Basically, he’s the best all around back right now.

        Probably the best all round HB since Tomlinson.

        • BerwynBomber

          Zeke is pretty damn good too. By all accounts a very solid pass blocker and receiver.

  • wreckinball

    Wow
    Was that a bad series for Hundley

  • wreckinball

    Steelers get away with an obvious hold
    Wow

    • ButtonShoes

      Good. Let the fudgies have a taste of what other teams have to put up with going against them.

  • BerwynBomber

    A horrendous D effort by PIT this game. And their O hasn’t been w/out mistakes either.

  • I’ve already refrained this ad nasueam, but worth sharing.

    ““Frankly I don’t give a rip. That’s not why I do this,” Fox said about questions regarding his job security.

    Perhaps he should. If Pace decides to part from Fox, a move that seems like an absolute necessity for the good of Trubisky, why not do it now? Defensive coordinator Vic Fangio might be an unlikely candidate to replace Fox permanently, but why not give him a shot for five weeks, especially with four winnable games coming up, starting with Fangio’s former team — the 49ers — next week? With nothing to lose, Fangio and Loggains would undoubtedly let it loose, allowing Trubisky to gain confidence against defenses this flawed offense could actually move the ball against.

    Just as important, it will allow Pace to get a head start on a thorough head coaching search that Chairman George McCaskey and President Ted Phillips will ideally allow him to conduct on his own, unlike when Pace was hired in 2015 and “advisor” Ernie Accorsi strongly pushed Fox on the organization.”

    http://wgnradio.com/2017/11/26/hoge-if-john-fox-is-going-to-be-fired-it-should-be-done-now/

    • BerwynBomber

      I’d be fine with handing Fox his walking papers tomorrow …

      …BUT here is my one issue with it.

      It would seem a day late/dollar short. And kinda lame fan appeasement.

      The time to fire Fox in-season was right after the second Cheese loss. That was the time to send the message about not tolerating utter crap. An intolerable performance in Y3 of Fox.

      But after Philly? On the road? Against arguably the second best team in the NFL?

      As BM pointed out earlier, Philly has basically been blitzing every team they play and had won their last three games (prior today) by an average of 25 points. Yeah, our O was particularly putrid but there was no realistic expectation about this game. And nothing near like there was in the second Cheese game.

      At this point you probably let Fox finish out his three years.

      One other element is that Pace may want a complete clean sweep of the Fox staff so an interim appointment could only serve to complicate that.

  • Nice of Haley to save a TO for GB and give the ball back with 1:30 to win

    • BerwynBomber

      Dumb situational football on PIT’s part. No reason for Bell to run out of bounds either.

  • Good job, Boswell!

    Got him going in FF.

    Sheesh.

    That should end GB’s playoffs and Vadgers returning.

    • BerwynBomber

      Should. But their next two games are against TB and CLE.

      They’d be crazy bringing Rodgers back before next year but I could see the Cheese brain trust and McCarthy pushing him out there to get a WC spot and provide them another year of job security.

  • BerwynBomber

    Wonder if some sucker of a team will overpay Hundley because of this game.

    Matt Flynn 2.0.

  • madscout12

    FF post
    ~
    ~
    ~
    Finally, Julio shows up. Ben rolled. If the Steelers decided to play D, I’d have won by now.

    126 to 111 and I have Hopkins and Miller to play.

    • You should be able to get that win with Hopkins and Miller going.

      Yeah, Julio BLEW up on my team. Bam.

      55 points!

      Got me to 202 points total.

      Needed it to beat Artoo and hold on to that #1 spot esp with point totals.

    • Sactowns#1

      Oh man I am crushing it. Who is gonna stop the Sac train!?!?

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    Anyone else think he’d be a great coach for Da Bears and an upgrade over Fox?

  • Fisherman695

    Mitch throwing a lot of high balls, maybe because line doesn’t give him time. Coaches need to show same lineup , but run different plays, its like other team has Bears playbook. Virginia pissed again.

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