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Because I’m Not Done Talking About Mitch Trubisky…

| May 10th, 2017

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The Bears traded up in the 2017 NFL Draft to get their future. If Ryan Pace & Co. are right about Mitch Trubisky, the Bears are looking at a decade plus of sustained, consistent success. If they are wrong, Bears fans are about three years away from another change in leadership.

Yesterday I had a friend on the golf course repeat the completely debunked “fleeced” narrative to me. You know, the one about how Genius John Lynch took all of Gullible Ryan Pace’s money over a street corner game of three-card monte. Fleeced, they say. FLEECED?!?! The Bears gave up some mid-round picks in order to attain theirs (and basically the entire league’s) most highly-rated quarterback in the draft. They didn’t trade Jordan Howard, Kyle Long and two future firsts. They didn’t even go so far as to give up a pristine, beautiful, perfect second-round selection. They gave up some thirds. A fourth. And got their guy.

[For those who haven’t read Peter King’s piece from inside the Niners draft war room, please read it. His reporting was terrific.]

What has been completely lost in the Trubisky conversation/debate is this: the kid is a great prospect. Not good. Not interesting. Great. In my mind, he was light years above the others in this quarterbacking crop and significantly better than either of the top quarterbacks from a year ago.

[For those who think this is me defending the Bears, Trubisky was my second favorite player in this draft. I have a blog where I write things. This is on the record HERE.]

Trubisky has size, speed, elusiveness, arm strength, intelligence, guts and – perhaps most importantly – he’s all football, all the time. The Tarheel signal caller may not pan out as one of the league’s best quarterbacks but it won’t be because he hasn’t put in every single second required to do so.

Oh, and that guy described above? He’s on the Bears now! He’s on the Bears because they have a general manager who knew Mike Glennon is nothing more than a guy who could have carried the water for a year should the team had been unable to attain a quarterback in this year’s draft. They have a general manager who recognizes ‘good enough’ at quarterback in the NFL is never good enough.

When Jerry Angelo made the boldest move in modern Chicago Bears history – giving up a pile of picks to acquire Jay Cutler – it changed the franchise for the next decade. Did it work out? No. For a myriad of overly-analyzed and debated reasons the Bears didn’t win enough games with Cutler at quarterback. Was it the right move to make? Unquestionably.

The second boldest move in modern Chicago Bears history happened Thursday night, April 27th, about fifteen minutes after the 2017 NFL Draft commenced. In the long-term it could provide the Bears their Aaron Rodgers and cement Pace’s legacy in Chicago. In the short-term it has lined the mirror and handed a rolled up $20 bill to Bears fans and media. A quiet coffee shop of an off-season program and Bourbonnais summer has become 2 AM at Limelight in the 80s.

For years we heard defensive coordinator Greg Blache tell us sacks were not important when it comes to pass rush. When while wide receivers were dominating the game, we watched Angelo ignore the position year after year after year. Now the Bears are led by a man aware of his surroundings and unafraid to dramatically alter them in an attempt to improve. It’s called guts, folks, and the Bears GM has ’em.

He’s taken the risk. Now we all hope to reap the reward. And in the meantime, there’s a buzz about the Bears again.

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  • Big Mike

    First. I’ll admit I didn’t see this coming. Which is probably good. Because everything I’ve seen coming for the last 4 years has turned into crap.

    • CanadaBear

      Amen!

    • Sahr Gborie

      Is what you have seen a result of the things Pace has done?

      • Big Mike

        I don’t know just venting. We have sucked so bad the last 4 years. Nothing has worked. But Pace has a plan and he’s sticking to it. The mess he inherited was tragic. I was hanging out with some coaches talking football and we all have different NFL teams. Their comments about the Bears were that Trubisky was a great signing, but they sure are glad they aren’t Bears’ fans. Pace has been aggressive. In hindsight, I like what he’s done.

        • CanadaBear

          When Pace arrived the cupboard was about as bare as possible. An aging, injury-riddled (that hasn’t changed), roster short on talent. Going from one of the oldest teams to one of the youngest was going to be painful for sure. I’m with you. I think Pace has been doing a decent job. A little bit of injury luck would sure help.

          • Big Mike

            They are definitely faster, hungrier etc. Trestmans 2nd year that team was old, slow, bad, no depth and poorly coached.

          • “A little bit of injury luck would sure help”

            Yes, a vadgers fractured vagina wouldn’t hurt the cause.

        • Sahr Gborie

          I hear you Mike. I try to tell people all the time even if you dont trust Pace, Fangio who has coached a top5 defense in SanFran said there was nothing in the defense he and Fox inherited. That alone is enough for me. Im not going to even get started on the offense.

          I trust Pace. I have not always agreed with him (Forte/Slauson) but I trust him because we got (J.Langford/J.Howard/C.Whitehair)

          • leftcoast dave

            You also have to trust in the reality that Pace and Fangio have a good feel for the talent they have picked up and are developing in the secondary. There are some good young players back there who will now have the experienced talent signed in FA to bring them along. The last two plug and play picks with Jaye Howard and the all around LB who played for Fangio were great additions. If this D performs like it could on paper, this is a different team. I expect to see what will perhaps be called controversial and unexpected cuts coming with lots of competition fighting for snaps.

          • Sahr Gborie

            those cuts are going to piss off a lot of people. im sure i will be one of them. who do you have in mind as a surprise cut?

          • CanadaBear

            When your team was 3-13 there should be some cuts. Unless someone gets cut for a reason other than performance, none of these cuts should be that big of a surprise.

          • Sahr Gborie

            but who will be the surprise cut? definitely would not be surprised to see e.royal or l.Houston go

          • CanadaBear

            I’ll be surprised if they aren’t released.

          • leftcoast dave

            Forte or Slauson? ;-)… Who knows? Zach Miller? Mitch Unrein? Eddie Royal? Kevin White? Langford? Two LB? Whoever, paring the roster down will be interesting to see.

          • Sahr Gborie

            z.miller would be a surprise because of the guy from Miami and the draft pick. e.royale/l.houston would not be a surprise. langford would not be a suprise only if k.carey was still on the team because pace drafted langford

          • Big Mike

            Forte, I get. Slauson.. there had to be something going on. Proven commodity. Sitton fell in our laps and bailed him out. He seems supremely confident that he can get the right guys. So cutting a good one, doesn’t matter to him.

          • SC Dave

            *sigh*

            Your fetish with Langford would be comical were it not so tiring at this point.

          • Sahr Gborie

            1. I dont like wasting players we drafted
            1a. if the packers can convert a player why cant we?
            2. for a quick second he looked like he could replace forte

    • willbest

      If I recall you vouched for WH and you were not wrong.

      • Big Mike

        I did. I know more than most about evaluating o-line talent. Outside of that I’m simply a fan. I thought Long was a good, but risky pick. His college film showed a lot of flaws. Had no idea how hard he would work. He is by far the most improved OL pick taken that year. I also like Grasu. Jordan Morgan, the guy they took in the 5th round is going to be a ballplayer in a year or two.

        • Bender McLugh

          what’s your take on the lineman drafted in the 5th round this year?

          • Sahr Gborie

            Jordan Morgan, the guy they took in the 5th round is going to be a ballplayer in a year or two.

          • Big Mike

            I think the experts are too quick to say he has to slide inside to OG. The biggest separation between Tackles and guards is footwork and arm length. This kid has great footwork and long enough arms. He’s strong enough and grades out well in the run. Biggest incorrect able issue for him at Tackle is he lacks ideal height. He is only 6′ 3″.
            I love the observation at the senior bowl. A coach commented.. he looked overwhelmed at first, but hung around and quickly looked like he fit in. He only played a minute of hs football. No offense to Kutztown, but there is also some coaching to be done. If this young man had played a season or two at a power conference school he’d have been a 2nd rounder

  • Irish Sweetness

    “They didn’t even go so far as to give up a pristine, beautiful, perfect second-round selection. They gave up some thirds. A fourth. And got their guy.”

    What we gave up was a second rounder, Jeff. Exact same value.

    What you have not even alluded to, not once, is that it might have been for the wrong QB. The move was bold, yes, bravo, but it’s the choice of QB that’s key. Zero discussion there, but a moot point at this stage I suppose. I’m sure a few of us would much prefer to be watching Watson. Any confidence in Trubisky is solely on a prayer, and an over-weighting on the most dangerous ‘P’ word around, potential.

    The kid is a great prospect? Could be.

    But DeShaun Watson is probably great … now.

    I’ll support Mitchell, life would be miserable otherwise. But if he busts out, and Watson shines, it won’t be a surprise to many people, Fox among them. Only Ryan Pace will be white-faced.

    Did anyone on the blog have a ‘draft-trubs’ t-shirt?

    • Sahr Gborie

      We gave up two 3s and a 4th. We got back the 4th in a trad with the cardinals. Net sum result is we gave up two 3s for someone who could be our franchise QB for the next 10yrs or could be a horrible bust. Either way the Risk of two 3rs is worth the Reward of a 10yr franchise QB. With that said lets stop complaining about what we gave up to get Money Mitch because it was chicken change compared to what other teams have had to give up.

      Yes Watson was more accomplished in college. Money Mitch was not on the bench because he was a bum, it was due to politics. If Watson lights it up as a rookie or in the years to come its because he is good but also because he is part of a team. a team built to win with most of the pieces in place. Just look at Dak. He went into an environment that was built to maximize and bring the best our of him and support him.

      Wishing Money Mitch all the success in the world does not mean anyone is ignoring the fact that he could be a bust. But why dwell on the negative instead of focusing on the potential positives. We might finally have an answer to our QB question.

      • Bender McLugh

        well said!

      • willbest

        10 years? Why is he breaking down in 10 years? Where is my 17 year starter?

        • Sahr Gborie

          lol. i hope he plays for 20+ yrs and every single one of those years we win the SB

        • Irish Sweetness

          Including a two year nest-warmer in Kansas City.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Perfect!

    • Bender McLugh

      I was on the Watson train, but I also thought Pace had his list of guys and I was fine with whichever he chose. The fact that Trubs was the ONLY QB on their list speaks volumes. Not drafting D this deep-D-draft-class also speaks volumes. Maybe the D talent isn’t as great as all the talking heads made it out to be. I trust Pace, he hasn’t failed miserably….yet.

      • CanadaBear

        That’s where I’m at with Pace. More hits than misses so that’s a marked improvement over PE and Glitchy. I wanted Watson over MT because Watson played big in big games and the only time I saw MT was the bowl game and he seemed to process things very slowly. What do I know? Totally with ya about MT being the only QB they were interested in (I’m guessing in the first rd) says a ton. If the kid pans out I’ll be the happiest short, old man on Vancouver Island. If not, oh well, time marches on!

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      I’d be shocked if Watson makes it through the year without getting hurt. I don’t watch a lot of college games, but I thought he would be coming out of that national championship game on a stretcher.

      • Sactowns#1

        I’ll be shocked if there isn’t MVP talk around Watson within the next three years. I’ll be equally shocked if Gomer Pyle wins more than 10 games over that same stretch.

      • Irish Sweetness

        That’s why we can live with the Trubisky pick, he won’t be haring off every time the pocket breaks down – something which Pace alluded to in the presser.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Trub may have been the best qb in this year’s draft class. But that isn’t saying much. He was not as good a prospect as Carson Wentz or even Jared Goff. Forget Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota.

    All draft picks are gambles. But Trub pick at #2 is more so than any other pick in recent times. Trub has offered not enough body of work to be claiming him as a sure thing or a great pick.

    Greg Cosell called him “not a high level talent prospect” and “Goff a more talented thrower of the football with better pure mechanics.”

    https://twitter.com/gregcosell/status/842415261428908032/photo/1

    He may work out but not because Pace had some special insight as an evaluator. It will be because he was ready to take a bigger gamble and more risk and he got lucky.

    • Irish Sweetness

      May have been. That’s the 64K$ question.

      Didn’t hear anyone on here say Trubs was the #1.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        All most all talent evaluators had Trub has the best qb in the draft. Watson’s issues are numerous and bigger than Trub.

        Fat Andy Reid knows quarterbacks. He wanted Trub at #5 and had a trade lined with Titans. When Bears took Trub, he switched to Mahomes at #10 not Watson. Texans talked themselves into Watson at #12.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Houston might be a super bowl team now.

    • Sahr Gborie

      If Money Mitch works out does it matter if it was Luck or Skill? Will you really care about Luck or Skill when we are sweeping the cheese and telling them to r-e-l-a-x? Will you really care about Luck or Skill if we are hoisting the Lombardi trophy in 3 to 5 years?

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        A GM’s process and approach to the draft should be discussed and questioned. He talked about not reaching before the draft but did exactly the same.

        • Sahr Gborie

          Reaching is subjective. We trusted his process and approach the last two seasons. We trusted him process and approach in FA. Are we supposed to stop trusting him now because he does something we don’t like.

          A lot of us wanted Forte to stay but we got J.Langford and J.Howard. A lot of us wanted M.Bennett to stay but we got Z.Miller and now we have the kid from the dolphins and the 2rd pick. Don’t know if they can ball but they are cheaper contracts than Bennett and less distraction.

          Pace has earned our trust and we should give him the benefit of the doubt until Money Mitch cant cash the checks that Pace is writing

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            No one, absolutely no one, had Mitch Trubisky as the #2 best player in the draft.

            I bet even Pace would admit that Trub was not #2 player on the board. Better to admit that there is one draft board for quarterbacks and a different board for all other positions.

          • Ososfan

            Pace would admit Trub was #1 on the board. Lol.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Again, this is your subjective opinion. I wanted J.Adams and an all defensive draft with a 5th or 6th round QB.

            Lets say that there are different draft boards for QB’s and all other positions, what difference would it make? We have someone our GM believes could be a 10yr+ franchise QB. QB is the most important position in the game. We took a gamble. If it works great. If not we start all over.

            Pace has worked with Drew and wants a QB in that mold. He thinks Money Mitch is where its at. Lets trust pace until Money Mitch cant cash the checks.

            “If we want to be great, you just can’t sit on your hands. There are times when you’ve got to be aggressive, you can’t sit on your hands. I just don’t want to
            be average around here; I want to be great.” – Ryan Pace

          • BearDown100393

            “I” instead of “us”

          • Sahr Gborie

            there are still a few bitchin for Solomon Thomas

          • CanadaBear

            Unless MT pans out people will always be bitching about the players not chosen.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Facts. I was not a fan of Money Mitch but i’m on board now because I rationalized the pick:
            1. two 3s and a fourth equal two 3s since we got the 4th back in a trade with the cardinals. we gave up two 3s to get a potential franchise qb. much better than what we did to get cutty

            2.i trust pace. he worked with drew.b. he worked with cutty. he knows what he is looking for. who do you trust more to find a franchise qb: pace, angelo or emery?

            3. even if we took Watson he was not going to be a difference make. Houston is ready to win now. we are not

            4. Watson has almost reached his ceiling. Money Mitch is untapped. that can be good or bad. Pace said something to the effect of “when the pocket breaks down Mitch is still looking for open WR’s while other QB’s are quick to tuck the ball and run”. Pace wants someone who’s first, second and third instinct is to pass not run

            5. “If we want to be great, you just can’t sit on your hands. There are times when you’ve got to be aggressive, you can’t sit on your hands. I just don’t want to
            be average around here; I want to be great.” – Ryan Pace

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            I love this quote.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Except I was hoping it would be made after his drafting of DeShaun …. probably both will be very good, and if Trubs is more accurate ….. that can’t be a bad thing.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But we know Watson’s floor, which is pretty high.

            Mitch’s floor. Oh God, I hope we don’t find it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Someone please tell me where Soloman plays in the Bears’ 3-4?

          • SC Dave

            I would imagine most GMs would acknowledge that point.

          • willbest

            Why would you need that?

            Calculate a players raw score based on athleticism, NFL polish, physical fitness, football IQ, etc. Multiply it by some factor based on the importance of the position in your scheme. For QB’s it might be something like 1.5, for RBs maybe its 0.9.

            Rank the players by adjusted score. Draft accordingly.

          • Sahr Gborie

            class is in session. pay attention everyone

          • Irish Sweetness

            Science?

            What ever happened to gut? The ability to throw the books out the window and listen to instinct? Can you moneyball a dynasty? Or do you have to have been part of one and seen it from the inside? Can you draft guys solely based on their metrics? How do you measure will, toughness, balls, fierceness, ability to overcome adversity, desire, character? That all gets left out of the Excel spreadsheet style of drafting.

            Imagine the feeling of being an owner and over-ruling your GM on draft day. He’s come up with this crazy idea of trading four picks to move up one spot. Sit down son, breathe deeply and then draft me Leonard Fournette.

            “Why ?”

            Because.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They don’t have crystal balls though. I’m not saying he is, but maybe the guy hoists three Lombardis and pisses all over the Bears passing records.

            Time will tell.

            If he works out, then wasn’t he the #1 guy in the draft?

          • Irish Sweetness

            As a runner, I’ll take Howard over prime Forte any day of the week.

            Did anyone like Jeremy Langford? At any point?

            As a receiver, give me Miller over Crazy Horse in a similar fashion. Doesn’t drop the ball. Ever. Rule number one in the book of receiving.

      • Ppl keep using Luck as a prototypical example of a young franchise QB, but I’m not sure he is.

        His team basically just told him to stop turning over the ball, and we all saw how that worked out with Cargo.

        https://www.hulu.com/watch/294114

        I honestly would take Wilson, Carr or Dak over Luck right now.

        Maybe even Mariotta.

        Winston is a black Luck.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I never got the love for Luck.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Nope.

    • Bender McLugh

      “He was not as good a prospect as Carson Wentz or even Jared Goff”

      according to you, but not pretty much the entire league.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        2 stat lines
        392/612 5115 yards 45 TDs 14 INTs
        386/572 4762 yards 41 TDs 10 INTs

        Those are the college career stat lines for Carson Wentz and Trubisky.

        • Ososfan

          Whoa

        • Bender McLugh

          okay. and?

          • Bender McLugh

            who CARES about TD’s?! I kid of course. I was just referring to Trubs being a thought of as a better prospect than QB’s in last year’s draft.

            I can’t wait to see what Trubs can do, in pre-season & practice.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I thought I was kind of supporting your argument. People say Wentz was a better prospect because he played more seasons and there was more video on him. But the difference between the 2 is 40 pass attempts.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            It is not about number of pass attempts. Wentz played in a pro style offense and was NFL ready.

            You can easily see how polished Wentz was as a prospect when compared to Trubisky from these two videos.

            Carson Wentz Gruden’s QB Camp
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvQnreL2j-4

            Gruden’s Camp With Mitchell Trubisky
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKd0KgcS8VA

          • Bender McLugh

            fair enough. we’ll see it better on the field though.

          • Yeah, but the knock on Wentz was that he played against scrubs.

            There’s knocks on all QBs, it’s just a matter of minimizing their faults.

          • Bender McLugh

            my bad, misread that. I thought you posted 2 lines of Wentz…..but yeah, Trubs is the real-deal-could-be-good/great prospect. Watson also, but both are raw for NFL-style offense, which is one of Clown Circus’ points too, that Wentz had more experience. Is it pre-season yet?

        • Irish Sweetness

          653/1060 … 9536 yards… 84 TDs ….34 INTs … 156 rating

          College lines for whom?

          One James Robert McMahon (keeping Steve Young on the bench!)

          So, keeping things in perspective … if he’s an average QB …. then let’s use those lines as a base :o)

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Wentz, to me, looked a more polished prospect last year. He played in a pro style offense at NDSU and that is why he was able to start as a rookie and did ok.

        You can also listen to this starting 0:45 second mark.

        http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/2017-Combine-Greg-Cosell-on-Incoming-Quarterbacks/d46635c7-0ad9-4e22-b639-50791dfba449

        • Bender McLugh

          I don’t care for Cosell.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I don’t either.

        • Agree. If Wentz was in this draft, I’d likely lean his way, but it’s minimal.

          Like with the Mariota/Winston debate. Kept waffling back and forth, but Mariotta eeked it out.

          In the end, the staffs will determine their outcomes to an extent.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Would any of you guys like Wentz as your guy?

          I can’t even imagine how disappointed I’d be.

          With Cutty, at least the sex was great, but then he’d get drunk and smash your face into the kitchen cupboard.

    • Bender McLugh

      and it’s not just Pace that evaluated him, it was his entire staff.

    • SC Dave

      (edit: never mind, should have read your response to Irish first, which clarifies my question)

    • Cross draft grades I had

      Mariota
      Winston
      Wentz
      [Trub]
      Goff

      Then again, how many had RG3 ahead of Cousins?
      And Luck was a “no brainer” while Wilson, Dak and even Carr were “projects”

    • Irish Sweetness

      It is a much bigger risk. If he wanted a QB, Watson had the CV. There. He’s done it. For three seasons. 150+

      You draft Trubs and it’s like … well, he might work out fine …. if he progresses .. for a year or two … if ….

  • Ososfan

    I agree with a lot of what Jeff said except for the fact that Glennon is just here for a year, Glennon will be here as long as he can because he has legit talent, in my opinion. Trubs needs to work on kinda “overthrowing” to his WR’s a little bit because in a lot of his highlights it looked like they were waiting an extra second or two fro the ball to get to them and that could translate into interceptions in the pros.. Any who, the bears will be better than we all think partly due to the fact we have decent depth now, still need more, but we are heading in the right direction for now…. Bear down!

  • Sahr Gborie

    For all those who wanted Watson I have a question. Is he good enough right now to overcome our deficiencies as a team and take use to where we want to be on his own?

    • CanadaBear

      Who knows?

      • Sahr Gborie

        I ask because a lot of people think he is better than Money Mitch without considering the team environment he is walking into.

        • CanadaBear

          That’s why they play the games! If MT pans out I couldn’t care less abut Watson.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Exactly. We can all agree that Andrew Luck was about the most ready plug and player QB in a long time. He has elevated his team but it has not been enough because the team around him has been inadequate in supporting him.

            Does anyone really think we have the right team in place to help Watson win if we had taken him? What about Money Mitch?

          • CanadaBear

            Work in progress no matter which QB Pace picked. The Beloved are at least a couple of years away from being +.500. Neither QB would change the Bears fortunes this year.

          • Sahr Gborie

            My point exactly. No matter what QB we pick it was going to be a long bumpy road. Pace too the QB he saw as most fit to lead his team. Lets give Money Mitch a change to cash the check

        • willbest

          That seems like a dubious position when 6 QB thirst teams pass on him, and he isn’t even the 2nd QB off the board. I know bad organizations are bad for a reason, but he fell low enough that the Donks could have moved up the Cards could have taken him, the Saints, etc. Really outside of the Vikings and Pats who didn’t have first round picks he could have gone anywhere without breaking the bank. But the only team willing to make the gamble is legitimately 1 competent QB away from the lombardi trophy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            NFL teams have not proven their skill for evaluating draftee QBs it must be said.

          • willbest

            Sure they get it wrong a lot, but they are still in the best position to know.

    • Ososfan

      Don’t think so, If he was our pick, I’d still have wanted him to sit for a bit like Trubs

    • BearDown100393

      Not good enough to overtake the giraffe in camp.

      • Sahr Gborie

        If that is the case why bother taking Watson at all. Next question is do you think Money Mitch can overtake Giraffe Neck in camp?

        • BearDown100393

          Answered that one awhile ago in a galaxy far far away. If Trubisky beats out Giraffe in camp (not a regular season switch but camp, we’re talking about camp now), Pace should be on the clock. Not because Trubisky is great or better but rather the Giraffe is a bust. Trubisky is not “great” despite the huff fuming front page post. He needs work first to be on his way to becoming “great”. Is he capable? I hope so. Does anyone really know? Of course not.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            “Does anyone really know?”

            1. We know Trub has no experience reading NFL defenses. Glennon is far ahead of Trub on this and there is no way Trub is beating him in camp or during the season when it comes to reading defenses.

            2. Spitting out the playbook verbiage and commanding the huddle. The playbook will be new to both Trub and Glennon. But Glennon has advantage again because he has learnt a couple of playbook in Tampa and knows how to communicate in a huddle.

          • Sahr Gborie

            1&2 Not necessarily true. This is where talent comes into play. If Mitch is a quick study and can process the information he might beat out Griaffe Neck.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            LOL. No. Experience cannot be replaced by being a quick study. Reading NFL defenses requires experience…over a period of time. You cannot cram for it like an end of semester exam. And mind you Glennon is no slacker. He was busting his ass in Tampa in the qb room even though he did not get to start the last 2 years.

            I would step away from the kool aid if you think Trub is going to beat out Glennon in 2017 camp.

          • Sahr Gborie

            No saying he will beat him. Just saying its a possibility he could be a quick study who can read nfl defenses well.

            what if he turns out to be peyton manning…i kid. i kid.

          • Ososfan

            Preach!!

          • Ososfan

            Bro, you were on the side of caution with our first round pick, why the sudden change of heart? I’d rather he be extremely bright and kinda able to take over year one but pace and co have him sit out and learn more and. More until Trub is just raring to go!

          • Sahr Gborie

            1. I was against the pick because I wanted someone with experience who could start right away and help us win right now. however we lack the talent to win right now. since we lack the talent to win right now what good is taking watson?

            2. pace said to tune of he wants a QB whose first instinct when the pocket breaks down is to look for his next open target instead of tucking the ball and running.

            3. i have no problem with letting Mitch sit and learn hoping he comes out like mr.r-e-l-a-x.

            4. again not team in place to win with. whats the point in taking over a dumpster fire? he will take all the blame as the 2nd pick in the draft if he plays and we dont win. people will say pace does not know what he is doing forgetting that he inherited a dumpster fire of a football team.

          • Ososfan

            Bro, I’m a little confused. It seems to me you were trying to advocate for Mitch to start earlier than he. Should, I might have read your assessment wrong?

          • BearDown100393

            Well, it only took him a few minutes to learn a hard count.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            “Glennon has advantage again because he has learnt a couple of playbook in Tampa” But one of those playbooks was approved by Lovie Smith.

          • Sahr Gborie

            Thank you. What good did it do the Bears and Cutty to learn 7000 different play books?

          • BearDown100393

            7000 ways that don’t work.

          • BearDown100393

            So Giraffe already should know what does not work. Sort of like Edison failing over and over again at the lightbulb.

          • BearDown100393

            Giraffe should be heads above Trubisky at this point. It should not even be debated.

          • SC Dave

            Disagree with this completely. A good backup is important.

          • BearDown100393

            If Giraffe loses out to an undeveloped rookie in training camp, he is not even a good backup. He is just #2 on the depth chart.

          • Bender McLugh

            yeah, have to agree with Dave on this one.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There’s no QB competition, he can’t beat Glennon out.

        • Ososfan

          The only way I see Mitch doing so is if he’s a Offensive savant who has mastered all the plays and can analyze defenses fairly well, if not, then no, let him build experience and let the coaches ease him in slowly but while still challenging him.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Fair point. Draft Fournette or whoever. A stud. Easy pick. Start Glennon. You’ve got Shaw/Sanchez …. Mitch is a very very long term move.

    • I still haven’t gotten a response from any Watson believer how he is better than Kap.

      Any Watson backer wanna enlighten me on how Watson is superior to Kap?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Maybe not now, but a lot fucking sooner than babyface. And with more of probability that he’s not a bust IMHO. I still would have sat Watson for Glennon this season.

  • CanadaBear

    I don’t believe Glennon is here as some backup plan. He’s here because Pace took two shots at the QB position. Also, Blache said sacks were over rated. That’s not the same as saying they are not important.

    • Johnnywad

      I think Glennon was here because Pace wasn’t quite settled. More than one way to skin a cat, and running with Glennon while building the roster wasn’t a terrible option. But the contract also allowed him the option to grab Trubisky by whatever means necessary if that’s where he settled his mind. Somewhere between signing Glennon and Draft Day, he became confident in Trubisky as the pick. And he still has Glennon as a year’s worth of cannon fodder should he need it.

      My .02.

      • CanadaBear

        Sounds reasonable to me.

    • Irish Sweetness

      He’s locked down the position pretty hard. I’ll give him that.

  • King of DBB

    “Jared Goff, is he an abject bust or can he play? You give up all those picks in Los Angeles, there are jobs – multiple jobs – on the line. He was ugly. Brutal. They bring in new offensive linemen, a new coach, an offensive-leaning staff. We’re going to know in the first five games if this is an all-time bust or [that] the kid can play. He will get his shot this summer and the rest will be history.”

    Kirby Lee -USA TODAY Sports

    • I never liked Goff that much. His decision making is lacking.

      He looks squirrely out there – Gabberesque.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Jared Goff is a replicant, and due for retirement.

  • Joecashflow

    Jeff I would agree with all of that, except, the body of evidence is the one year syndrome. And we all can rattle off the Flynn, McCown, Philly guy. Pray you are right. The whole small college picks and One year wonder draft just reeks of high risk, bet the farm. Well, I am a life time fan and have had enough of Cutler and bet the farm and now here we go again. Hope it works. Always a fan. Will be calling for GM’S neck if we don’t take 3 steps forward. Been waiting a long long time for a decent team,to,spank the Packers When the f#×K will it show?

    • leftcoast dave

      I like the “reach” picks for the same reason I believe Howard kicked butt, they come in with something to prove, more so that someone who was great in a big college program with great expectations. To many of them take the ‘tude entitlement like AJ. All three of the dudes you allude to want to silence the critics and I believe will go the extra mile in every respect, being damn happy for the opportunity and appreciative of the team giving them the chance.

      • Joecashflow

        Yes, we want to silence the critics that are piling on. The national media, the Chicago media, the fans. There is a reason they are small school players. It simply makes the odds much higher for success. Playing against lesser competition is a huge adjustment. Hope you are right and I am wrong. Would not bet a dime on it.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Prayers to Chris Berman and his family….wife passed from a car accident

    • CanadaBear

      As much as I dislike Berman this is terrible. May she R.I.P.

      • AlbertInTucson

        He was at the Giants-Mets game when he got the news.

        Ouch.

        • CanadaBear

          I can only imagine. I’ve been alone every time I was notified a family member passed. Poor guy.

    • Sahr Gborie

      damn. may she rest in peace

    • BearDown100393

      Leather.

  • CanadaBear

    According to Vegas at this time, the Bears aren’t favored in any game this year.

    http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/19344755/nfl-full-odds-2017-chicago-bears-games

    • BearDown100393

      16-0

      • Sahr Gborie

        SB

        • BearDown100393

          19-0. GOAT.

          • Sahr Gborie

            3yr dynasty

          • willbest

            That would be 57-0

          • Sahr Gborie

            any given sunday

    • willbest

      Sadly we are only 125 to 1 odds on winning the SB. I would prefer the 250 to 1 action the Browns are getting or the 200 to 1 odds the Jets are getting.

      • CanadaBear

        Makes no difference to me. I don’t gamble. Having worked in a casino will either make you an addicted gambler or never gamble again.

        • willbest

          The phrase is “don’t gamble what you can’t afford” I don’t even subscribe to that. With me its “don’t gamble money you would even miss”. I would only put like $10 down on that.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I believe that’s my strategy when I go to bars.

          • willbest

            As long as its “don’t gamble money you would even miss, while sober”

          • Johnnywad

            10 becomes 15 becomes 50 becomes 150. What’s a $1000 to a guy like you Will?

            Next thing you know, it’s the poorhouse for everyone.

          • Sactowns#1

            lol. I put at least $20 on the bears to win the SB every year and then I do one or two more best on the beloved like O/U wins etc. One of my favorite bets amongst my group of friends is we’ll do 6 pack bets. Winner gets a 6er of their choosing.

          • willbest

            A new receiver for my home theater system? The one I got is 12 years old and doesn’t support 4k, among other things.

          • AlbertInTucson

            My receiver is even older.

          • CanadaBear

            If this turns into a contest, you guys better have some seriously old equipment! Just sayin’.

          • willbest

            The oldest thing in my house is a ~120ish year old dining room table that was originally in my great grandpa’s farm house. I think everything in the house that uses electricity, and is in active service, is less than 20 years old though. Being 38, means I haven’t really had the opportunity to collect seriously old tech. A VCR from the early 90’s is as old as it gets. It probably works but its been in a box in the basement (with the VHS tapes) since we moved here 6 years ago.

          • CanadaBear

            It helps having a couple of decades + on ya. Some of my stereo stuff is from the 70’s (speakers, reel-to-reel, cassette deck and turntable), other stuff added as needed to replace/update.

          • CanadaBear

            More like this. Turn it up all the way, brother!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s59Sz44F3i8

          • AlbertInTucson

            Reel to reel.

            Man, I had hours worth of Bears and Blackhawk highlights from 70 and 71 and lost the the tapes.

            WGN and WMAQ radio and even WGN TV after I discovered that you could pick up WGN TV audio down around the low 90s on the FM dial back in the day.

            The highlights included Bobby Douglass’ 4 TD day with a broken wrist against Buffalo.

            I still have a Kodak Instamatic Super 8/8mm projector from the 60s.

            It doesn’t work but it sparked my interest in editing which is how I’ve made my living most of my adult life and I don’t have the heart to junk it.

          • CanadaBear

            When we moved to the Island, I threw out a ton of stuff (lot of incentive at 41cents/pound moving fee). That included a couple dozen 7″ reels of music from the 70’s. I gave away about 250 albums and an extra turntable years ago to the local record story guy. Still use everything I’ve got but mostly play CD’s. I was never into video (at least producing them). I thought Bobby Douglass turned a corner that day. Uh, no. Just a broken wrist!

          • AlbertInTucson

            Maybe the broken wrist made his ball more catchable?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Pretty sure the oldest thing in my house is me.

            And the oldest “equipment” in the house is ON me.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I thought the phrase was “That’s why they call it ‘Gambling’.”

      • SC Dave

        Must figure the AFC is better.

        • willbest

          A fair point.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          True that we don’t have to get by the Pats to get the SB, but it is possible we would have to in order to WIN a SB.

          • Sahr Gborie

            brady can always break a leg right before the game

          • willbest

            Right but its more likely that you will have to go through the Pats in the AFC on your way to the lombardi trophy than the NFC. The Pats are 3 to 1 to win. I find that insane. I wouldn’t even bet 3 to 1 that Brady makes it through the season. Pats should bench him for September just to keep him fresh.

          • Sahr Gborie

            have you looked at their off-season moves? they should be guaranteed to win the sb were it not for any given sunday. they are so loaded its disgusting

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Myles Garrett better learn how to throw the football.

    • Sactowns#1

      Is it too early to tank?

      • SC Dave

        A little. Gotta get through pre-season first.

  • BearDown100393

    “And in the meantime, there’s a buzz about the Bears again.”

    Well to be fair, at least someone is buzzed.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Is that “Buzz” or just “Static”?

  • beninnorcal

    Well, turns out Khaseem Greene was still playimg football. But probably won’t be anymore.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article149645469.html

    • CanadaBear

      Averaging 11 tackles/season. PE was the bomb!

      • evantonio

        a 4th round pick.

        YOU SEE WHAT WE DO WITH 4TH ROUND PICKS AROUND HERE??

        • Sahr Gborie

          lol…guess that argument is dead now

        • SC Dave

          It’s not as horrible as it might be… 48 picks after 1980.

          Of these guys, the following started 3 or more years in the NFL:
          Butler (12), Perry (9), Thayer, A. Brown (8), Colvin, Orton (5), Holdman, Fontenot, Thornton, Bell (4), Raymont Harris (3)

          2017 Eddie Jackson, Tarik Cohen
          2016 Nick Kwiatkoski, Deon Bush, Deiondre’ Hall
          2015 Jeremy Langford
          2014 Ka’Deem Carey, Brock Vereen
          2013 Khaseem Greene
          2012 Evan Rodriguez
          2010 Corey Wootton
          2009 Henry Melton
          2009 D.J. Moore
          2008 Craig Steltz
          2007 Josh Beekman
          2006 Jamar Williams
          2005 Kyle Orton
          2004 Nathan Vasher
          2004 Leon Joe
          2003 Todd Johnson
          2003 Ian Scott
          2002 Alex Brown
          2001 Karon Riley
          2000 Reggie Austin
          1999 Warrick Holdman
          1999 Rosevelt Colvin
          1998 Alonzo Mayes
          1997 Darnell Autry
          1997 Marcus Robinson
          1996 Paul Grasmanis
          1995 Jack Jackson
          1994 Raymont Harris
          1993 Todd Perry
          1993 Myron Baker
          1993 Albert Fontenot
          1992 Will Furrer
          1991 Joe Johnson
          1990 Tony Moss
          1989 Markus Paul
          1988 James Thornton
          1987 Sean Smith
          1986 Paul Blair
          1985 Kevin Butler
          1984 Tom Andrews
          1983 Tom Thayer
          1983 Pat Dunsmore
          1982 Dennis Gentry
          1981 Todd Bell

          • Bender McLugh

            ORTON ORTON ORTON!

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            Steltz! Steltz! Steltz!

            I’m planning on throwing up tomorrow morning.

          • SC Dave

            He was serviceable on specials.

          • Bayou scud

  • BerwynBomber
    • BearDown100393

      AKA The NFL weighs in on Jay’s future television comments about its product.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Alex Brown training Jonathan Bullard. Hope it clicks for Bullard in year 2.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BTp3nvvjy06/?taken-at=446186625

    • SC Dave

      would certainly make our DL depth look a lot better.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Alex Brown. Always liked him.

      • CanadaBear

        He was another guy that dropped due to concerns about his motor. Not once the entire time he played with the Bears, did I think he was dogging it. When people get worked up over the media saying this guy is this or that, really?

  • 505Bears
    • Malice Halice

      Atta boy

    • BerwynBomber

      Would any long-time Bear, days after his retirement, say “but I would be willing to come back and play for the Packers”?

      Meatball-ism is fine and all, but that’s a pretty low bar we’re applauding Jay for clearing.

      • BearDown100393

        …… but Jay refuses to say he is retired.

      • Sactowns#1

        I guarantee Briggs and Lach would have jumped at the opportunity to be fudge boys. Those two were SALTY when they got the boot.

        • BerwynBomber

          Even taking into account their resentment, still have a hard time imagining them saying that publicly days later.

          Plus, Cutler by all reports, has no enthusiasm to play, period.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I think that last injury made his decision for him.

          • BerwynBomber

            The market made his decision for him.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I wish they had. Both were DONE when the Bears let them go.

        • Irish Sweetness

          That would have been too much. Lac in puce green. Euch.

  • Artoo

    We might have another hole at the wide receiver position but at least, I hope, this GM will not ignore problems

    • willbest

      Did somebody get arrested? Or are you just referring to the lack of top 30 talent the Bears have at the position?

      The official Da blog position since Pace let Jeffery walk is that Jeffery isn’t elite and that elite receivers aren’t that important anyway. Though don’t go too far back in the archives, otherwise you might find something that contradicts the official story.

      • Artoo

        Don’t feel like the wide receivers added are going “scare” defenses. Granted, Brady is able to make something out of nothing.. We will see.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          Seattle too has shown you do not need elite or #1 WR to put up points.

          • Artoo

            Everyone talks about Russell not having a true number one. They do trade for Jimmy.

          • willbest

            Seattle keeps trying. Percy Harvin too. Doug Baldwin developed nicely for them though. Prevents teams from doubling Jimmy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Did Doug grab 12 TDs this year? Was it more?

          • Sahr Gborie

            Seattle and Patriots both have QB who can ball and make things happen.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Doug Baldwin is pretty elite in my book. Numbers. Production.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I don’t know man, Wheaton’s like that guy where if you blink he’s ten yards behind you and Glennon’s heaving it deep. I hope he’s better than Cutty at that. His accuracy was for shit once he went deep.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Jeffrey certainly didn’t get “Elite” money.

      • Ososfan

        Jeffrey, I believe, has elite talent but hasn’t had the best health to showcase that talent….

        • SC Dave

          This is my assessment. I’m jisr glad he’s not a Packer. Rodgers woild fucking kill us with him.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Passing game will be fine..More TE’s and RB’s will be featured in passing game along with Meredith, Wright and Wheaton. Counting White as bust and not expecting much from him.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Don’t forgot Thompson and Bellamy. Is Eddie still a Bear?

        • CanadaBear

          We’re all trying to forget Bellamy.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      we only need one receiver. BRAVERMAN!!!!

    • Who needs WRs in 3 TE tank sets with Unrein at FB!?

      What up Too.

      Still a rambling man?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Matt Urine. I’m telling you. I bet he got destroyed in elementary for that.

    • Ososfan

      Artoo!! What hole dude? Kendall Wright can ball, Wheaton hasn’t realized his potential, nor White, and Meredith is serviceable probably leaning to be our WR2 fringe WR1

      • Artoo

        If Wheaton can’t figure out his potential with Brown on the other side getting three people to cover him, I don’t see Wheaton progressing here. I hope he does though.

        Kendal Wright is like Emanuel Sanders in my opinion. Eh. It can work. Meredith could be a nice surprise. White as well.

        • Ososfan

          Wheaton was hurt most of his career but when healthy he kinda balled out, here to having them do their thing this year. Bear down!

        • Wheaton is the vertical threat. That’s what he was in Pitts, and that’s how I see him here. I don’t expect him to get more than 600 yds, but if he racks up big YPC, then mission accomplished.

          Wright is essentially the new Royal. The slot smooth route runner with some speed.

          Meredith is the guy I think POX is banking on. He flashed enough in their eyes to let Alshon walk.

          I don’t think anyone is expecting much out of White at this point, though it is important to point out that in past WRs typically took 3 yrs to fully develop, so hopefully White goes that route.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Wheaton will probably catch 3 passes a game for us. For like 110 yards and a TD. Kendall picks up about 6 grabs in the slot, and Cam shines with 9. Add in Moobs clearing the way for Howard, should be quite a year offensively.

            If you know who doesn’t shit the bed, forcing someone else to shit the same bed directly afterwards.

            All the chat is about Mitchell. It should be about the starter. May he be well.

        • SC Dave

          I have zero hope for white

          • Irish Sweetness

            I have some. If we accept he was injured and hadn’t played much in the NFL … he should show something this yer. But here’s the thing. He’s probably #4 on the depth chart.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Markus knows he’s playing second fiddle to Martavis when he’s back. So he goes from #3 deep route guy in Pittsburgh, to #1 on our team. Probably.

      • SC Dave

        The Alshon hole

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    John McCain’s former adviser and speech writer:

    Mark Salter‏ @MarkSalter55
    Words I thought I’d never say: the security of the United States might now depend on electing a Democratic Congress in 2018.


    White House press was barred from the meeting between President Trump and Foreign Minister Lavrov. But a Russian news agency was allowed in (they were apparently released by the Russian Foreign Ministry.)

    Got to give to russkies for A+ trolling..

    Q to Russian Foreign Minister: Does Comey’s firing cast a shadow over talks?

    Russian Foreign Minister in sarcastic tone: “Was he fired? You are kidding! You are kidding!”

    Vladimir Putin, in a hockey uniform, commenting on Trump firing Comey Putin tells CBS News “we have nothing to do with” firing of Comey, says Trump is” acting accordance with his law”

    Well played,Vlad, well played as Reagan, the man who brought communist soviet union, rolls in his grave.

    • AlbertInTucson

      McCain’s pretty much a RINO.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        But he is a national hero who sacrificed for the country unlike the pu$$y grabber.

        • willbest

          That was literally a lifetime ago. As a politician he has shown a profound amount of poor judgment (and or corruption depending on which side you are on). And since about 2011 he has demonstrated he should be in a retirement home, not the US Senate.

          • AlbertInTucson

            THE Poster Boy for Term Limits.

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta give him credit, he remembered a grudge. I’m sure he didn’t take kindly to being the butt of Trump’s insults.

          • BearDown100393

            Go tell a Vietnam vet that his contribution was a lifetime ago.

          • A7Xthebest

            Come on, shove that shit. Vets are not inherent saints and it’s aggrandizing at it’s finest to pretend otherwise.

      • willbest

        Once upon a time he was a RINO. Now he suffers from dementia. Its really the only explanation for this statement

        “Probably the most respected individual in all of the American government
        is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,”
        McCain said.”

        If there is 1 thought that unifies Trump and Hillary supporters its that Comey is a hack. Colbert’s audience broke into cheers when he announced the firing.

    • Ososfan

      Why was the press barred?! That makes no sense! Am I missing something?

      • The russian press wasn’t barred, apparently, comrade.

        • Ososfan

          Haha. I meant OUR press. This shit is getting weirder by the day

          • SC Dave

            Because the Russian press is far more likely to report the truth?

            The circle is complete.

          • Scharfinator

            SCDave trolling away 🙂

  • BerwynBomber

    Michael Floyd signing with MIN.

    ARI picks up Blaine Gabbert off the scrap heap.

    • willbest

      Don’t really know how Floyd helps MN. They have Diggs. They must have given up on that speedster they drafted.

      • AlbertInTucson

        A rep for dropping passes and a drinking problem.

        Yeah, sign HIM up.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Gabbert. Another QB somebody traded up to draft, I believe.

      • BearDown100393

        He stands at attention so he gets another undeserving job.

        • SC Dave

          Not undeserved… just smart

  • The Trubisky thread. I went back to the vaults and will repaste verbatim my “scouting report” on him from Feb 24rth

    http://dabearsblog.com/2017/with-jay-cutlers-career-in-chicago-seemingly-over-i-wanna-know

    Trubisky tape.

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/mitch-trubisky-vs-stanford-2016/

    Make this short.

    – Can make all the throws from various platform
    (check out that throw at 4:52 or all the throws he makes from 6:00 on)
    – tight fast release
    – can escape and improv
    – accurate on the run
    – favorable TD-int ratio

    The bad.

    – Same as Watson. Shotgun/spread O.
    – Not a good a runner as Watson (but hopefully he won’t be running read in NFL).

    Has some Cargo traits

    – avg size 6’3 225
    – holds on to the ball too long waiting for WR to get open
    – locks on to receivers
    – sometimes trusts his arm too much
    – not a rah-rah guy by most accounts
    – clutch?
    – 1 yr wonder?

    Sum.

    When you look at Turbisky, you can see an NFL QB. He just looks the part making throws that you see on SUN. For that reason, I think he’s going to be the first QB drafted, possibly by the 9ers or us.

    The biggest question for him is his decision making. He just holds on to the ball to damn long thinking he’s Vadgers or something. Obviously, gotta wonder if he can process plays fast enough or digest NFL O.

    His limited experience can go either way. It could be seen as positive in that he’s a blank slate to mold good habits, or negative in that he’ll be way behind and all this stuff should come instinctively by the time you enter the NFL.

    All-in-all, an interesting prospect. His OC must drill him on timing though.

    Here’s the Stanford tape on him (could also see Thomas #90 )

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/mitch-trubisky-vs-stanford-2016/

    ———-

    Turb does have a somewhat cutty vibe, which may turn off a lot of Bear fans.

    However, some major differences.

    1. He doesn’t seem apathetic “dooooon’t care” by most accounts; he’s just somewhat quiet, which can work like it did for Flacco

    2. He’s NOT a TO machine. I think he went like 4 games with 400+ and 0Ints. He only threw 6Ints in fact (2 came vs Stanford) which is less then Mariota

    3. His mechanics are not loose. You don’t see him backpeddling or cradling the football on his waist.

    The biggest drawback I saw was that he’s always looking for that big play. His decision making is suspect. Scouts say he throws with anticipation, but I saw a QB waiting for the WR to get open instead of throwing on rhythm. We sorta saw the same things with Barkley late where he was just trying to do too much and it lead to sacks and INTs.

    But if the Bears draft him, gotta think that Logan believes his decision making is correctable, and between him and Hoyer to mentor, he should learn a lot about getting rid of the ball on time.

    Edit. But Turbisky must sit some. If he’s thrown into the starting role right away with his limited experience and NO experience behind center, it’ll get ugly fast.
    ———
    He def did look like a slow processor. That’s why he held on to the ball too long.

    But is that inherent like with Kap, Vick, Cutler…or does it stem from his very limited experience?

    That’s the part Pace must discover, and it’s a BIG part.

    [edit now. Look at that thread. And who said on the Feb 24rth he had a sneaking hunch about Trubisky to Bears? hmmm ]

    • As many know, I was the damn architect for “Fold for Darnold” 18 (SC coined it) and riding with Hoyer as a bridge while reloading.

      But ya know what, there’s more than one way to skin a cat, and as the draft got nearer and near my predicalor calculated 35% chance of QB because even if it’s not my route, I can see its validity.

      That’s something I learned in philo. You may not agree with an argument, but you can still conceive its validity.

      The trade up and such is likely not the path I’d have taken, but fuck it, Pace went all in (including Glennon who equally caught many by surprise).

      The way I see it is like my friend who got married after only 6 months.

      Personally, I think that’s NUTS, but some go all-in like that, and sometimes it works.

      Let’s hope Pace found a keeper and didnot shotgun-wedd a 50 yr old divorcee with 3 kids from Florida named Mindi, with an “i” .

      • Johnnywad

        Welcome to to the island. Not many here so plenty of room to make yourself comfy.

        • I think it side swiped many fans cuz for MONTHS they were inundated with Adams/Hooker/Thomas/Allen mocks, so when ESPN said, “trade up” + “bears” they went “AH FUCK”.

          But since I watched a lot of Trub tape since Feb, it did not surprise me much.

          Don’t get me wrong, my initial reaction was also shock, and when I found out what they gave up, my stomach churned a bit; however, after some of the fever turned down, the rational became apparent, whether a fan liked it or not.

          • SC Dave

            In the end, the only important thing we gave up was the opportunity cost of a stud defender.

            And as I’ve repeated too often, a focus on D has netted us one championship in the past 50+ years

          • Meanwhile, the Pack have been offensive machines and have the SB trophy named after them.

            Even going back to the Pack sweep they were an O oriented.

          • Malice Halice

            Blah, if cutty never sat his bitch ass down the Fudge fountain would’ve dried in the 09′ playoffs. Fudge is only good cuz nobody in da NFCN want it. Just like the pats in the afce just surrounded by dumbasses, bitches, and hurt Henry’s. Fuck that O

          • SC Dave

            Say what you want, but the Packers defense has been at best average since 1992. In those 25 seasons, they have 19 playoff appearances and won the division 12 times.

            Meanwhile, the Bears have 5 playoff appearances and 4 division titles. The Bears have finished LAST 9 times over that time frame – Green Bay *once*.

            Fuck focusing on defense. I’m sooo sick of losing to those bastards because we cannot outscore them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That ends this year, Dave. We should definitely be scoring more.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The rationale, perhaps, but that QB ?

            We’ll see.

      • SC Dave

        On fire today, Butch. Me likey, and I’m actually optimistic about our QB room for the first time in a half decade or more

        • Me too, SC.
          I don’t give a fuck about the Bears now being on the ESPN news cycle or shit like that.

          Just give me a chance at a fucking winner, to join the big boy’s table.

          “Fortuna audaces juvat”

        • Irish Sweetness

          It won’t be boring.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But the philosophy of Brian Hoyer was to not do the things a QB needs to do .. to win.

    • BerwynBomber

      That play/throw he makes at 2:49 in the Stanford tape is huge/big-time. Cutler-worthy. And that’s meant as a compliment in this case. Not a ton of QBs can make that play.

      • I still stick by that I wrote in Feb.

        Trub is the only QB I could’ve lived with at #3 because he does indeed have the toolbox.

        Obviously, I would’ve preferred staying put or even trading down and still draft him, but that was the market, and Pace was bullish while the Browns were bearish and are now stuck with Kizer.

        Time will tell, but I don’t get how a lot of fans predetermined Trubisky a bust the second his name was called.

        Cray-cray. How many of the booers even watched more than just his Youtube highlights?

        Perhaps what worries me more is that Birdcage and Fox will now have to mold him or at the very least not instill bad habits in him.

        Hopefully Glennon can last till Dec.

        • SC Dave

          Giant agreement on the predetermination thing.

          And I will add it applies to Glennon as well. Who the fuck knows, he may stand head and neck above most of his NFL peers.

          • Tortured Bear fan

            and if it´s a race neck to neck, we know who will win

    • madscout12

      Love that Stanford tape. Dude didn’t have his best game, but he kept balling. He threw about 5 TD passes at the end, and his WR dropped about 4 of them. Watson dreams of making throws like that.

      • And Solomon Thomas was all over him like white on rice.

        That was one of the knocks on Trub that exotic Ds confused him.

        Well, when a defender is in your face when the ball is snapped, you don’t have to be that ‘exotic’.

        And you know who else struggles with exotic Ds? Every QB not named Vadgers or Brady.

        Yeah, those drops…man, brutal.

        But kept his poise and kept slinging as the pressure kept ratcheting up.

        • madscout12

          People say, “but he lost the game”. His WR were dropping passes all game, and he still kept making them. He brought them back, and his oline leaked like a sieve on the 2 point…3 dudes in the backfield 1 sec after the snap. And even then, he gets away from Thomas and is cleaned up by the 2nd guy.

          Vadgers and Brady weren’t killing exotic D’s their first year. Or second. Or several years, for Brady. That only comes when you sit in an offense for years. Saying that makes me a little depressed. Does anyone really believe Dowell Fucking Loggins is the guy to lead an offense for a decade? I don’t.

          He can make all the throws. He seems like a smart kid. If he pans out will be all in what we put around him and if he’s got it between the ears on gameday.

          • BearDown100393

            Also probably didn’t hurt that neither Erin or Giselle-Boy had to change playbooks every season.

          • Malice Halice

            Thank you! That’s y the Pats, fudgers chargers saints and cowboys been satisfy with the qb cuz they been on the team since birth damn near and OC/HC don’t go thru revolving doors. Fuck all those guys. None of em would’ve last going thru what cutty went thru or just a new setup every 2 years

          • BerwynBomber

            Nonsense. Brady, Brees, Rodgers would have been great anywhere. Would Brady have won five rings w/out Belichick? Of course not. But he still would have been superb. Same with Rodgers and Brees.

            Cutty had one of the best QB HCs in the league his first three years and he was still a TO machine and pretty much putting up the same #s he did here.

            If Trubisky is a top 10 guy he’ll show that regardless who the OC is.

          • SC Dave

            I’m not convinced Loggains is *not* the guy either

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            I think Pace has hitched his wagon to Dowell Loggains. The decision to move on from Cutler was made middle of last season. Pace was already scouting Trub games in disguise which to me means he had zeroed in on him.

            So obviously he had thought about who will develop the drafted qb? If he did not have confidence in Loggains, I am sure Pace would have made the move as soon as the season ended.

            I think Loggains will be fine. He got a lot out of Barkley and moved the ball well. He did same with Jake Locker.

            Changing Loggains after 1 year of development of Trub will not make sense. This makes me means Loggains is here to stay.

      • BearDown100393

        Well at least Trubisky will be used to dropped passes.

        • madscout12

          Bellamy is still on the team, right?

          • BearDown100393

            Sadly. May Braverman deliver us from evil dropped passes.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Tanner Gentry is the new Braverman. Watch out for him starting with the rookie camp!

          • He also fumbles.

    • BearDown100393

      Not digging the review that Trubisky hangs onto the football too long against NCAA defenses. And that is out of the shotgun. The NFL is a different faster hungrier beast. Seems to have a steep learning curve.

      • I think it’s two fold.

        1. He was still learning. Peyton still holds the rookie INT record
        2. Mitch looking for the big play

        That’s why I said from the start he MUST sit. Can’t David Carr his ass.

        After the O becomes 2nd nature, then he should process the field much faster (audibles, hot routes, etc).

        As for #2, well, I don’t think you can re-wire that.
        Just gotta hope he chooses his spots. At least he can extend the play which breaks downs Ds.

        • BearDown100393

          Yes he should sit. And yes this is also the Bears so who really knows.

    • SC Dave

      I sure as fick hope he’s not a slow processor. I’m sick of a lifetime of that shit at Bears QB

      • I hear ya on that, SC.

        It’s that ole question – is he just inexperienced or slow?

        Let’s hope it’s the former cuz Kap, Vick and Cutler could never figure it out in-spite of all the physical talent.

        • Malice Halice

          Which is y we didn’t reach for Watson. Trub can make it happen he ain’t dependent on his legs like those u mentioned. Cam JUST avoided that list

    • Joecashflow

      “His average size”. He looks very stong, heavy build, could develop into a beast if he hits the weight room with trainer. May be very durable. That’s not average to me. A plus. Let’s see what his body develops into. Could Tebow up., without the shit arm.

      • BearDown100393

        Agree. Trubisky cannot be faulted for lacking build.

        • I don’t think he’s slight like Goff.

          Just somewhat avg.

          I bet many here would have preferred a 6’5 240 QB a la Roth, Wentz, Cam

          But neither is he small like Brees, Wilson and some others.

          Avg.

          • BearDown100393

            I really don’t believe Trubisky will have a problem in the physical department.

      • I agree. Some ppl carry weight differently.

        Trub def looks sturdier than Goff or even Vadgers or Rosen coming out next year, though a notch below say Dak.

        But just going by strict stats, 6’2 220ish is about as avg as it gets for a QB, maybe even a lil on the short/light side (Data?)

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        He is already a beast in the weight room. Check this out…

        https://mobile.twitter.com/loustrength/status/808480080913694720?lang=en

      • BerwynBomber

        Agreed. Only thing average is height. 6’2″ is borderline small. 6’3″ is average. Sometimes you just need to see a guy in the pros to completely tell if his height will be an issue.

        Trubisky’s should NOT be, but we won’t know for certain until he passes the eye test this summer/fall.

        Otherwise, yeah he’s stacked like Dak.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          Well he has 2″ on Brees and 3″ on Wilson.

          i checked combine results. Wilson had 4.55 sec 40 yards time. Damn, didn’t he realize he was that fast. Turbo’s 4.67 is pretty decent.

          • BerwynBomber

            But Brees and Wilson (hell, even Rodgers at 6’2″) are the exception in the NFL. And they all do at least one thing better than virtually any other QB in the league.

            That’s why your odds are always better with a 6’4′ or taller guy. You don’t have to have some otherworldly QB skill to be near the top of the league at that size (Matt Ryan and Carson Palmer are recent examples). Whereas if you are smaller, you almost always need at least once exceptional trait.

  • haha. Cool. Bookmarked.

    You and Ender should still do some Bears talk. I liked watching those.

    I thought about doing my own Bear Blog, but so many.

    I yap enough here to be a micro-blog anyways lol

    You still in Cali or all over?

    • Artoo

      All over. I’m trying to figure out a place that calls my name but it seems like only California does.

      Yet, it also calls my bank account and it says it can’t afford it lol

      Start one! At least, write about the Bears on here then! Ender needs to get back to writing as well!

      • Yeah, I know. If you ever stare one up again, count me in.
        I can even contribute with some FF, though likely I’d be lying through my teeth in order to win back the crown from Shady lol

        Yeah, Cali is spensive, but how can you NOT fucking love it?

        If you ever get the chance, hit up Big Sur if even just for a few days. Think you’d like it up there.

        If not, you can always move into MB’s Jacuzzi.

        • Artoo

          When I was blogging about the Bears, that’s where I was. Without a doubt, Seaside, CA and Big Sur would be my two favorite places to live.

          I really need to visit MB. I’ve keep putting it off due to work and getting laid lol

          • Work and poon. The ying and the yang of life.

            Yeah, Big Sur picturesque. If I ever become a hermit, that’s where I’ll kick it with big foot and red woods.

            I’m pretty sure MB just lives in his jacuzzi now. If you ever go down there, lemme know and I’ll try to join you. MB invited me a few times but shits always hectic for me, but maybe I’ll go down if you’re over so he can show us his cock-ring gallery

            “And this one is a special edition imported from Estonia, hand carved by gypsy peasants who cast spells on each cock-ring insuring supernatural orgasms…”

          • Artoo

            I think we just have to stop making excuses and go see him.

            Big Sur gets pretty cold at night but I’ll take any house there for free lol

      • EnderWiggin

        I think I’d rather do another podcast than more writing.
        A live podcast with the three of us and then add another person with some media pull (Wood, Cox, etc.)
        It would be worth it just to see R2 get red faced/embarrassed every time Butch cussed.

        • Artoo

          I would definitely lose focus lol

      • Irish Sweetness

        Teach English in Thailand for a bit, dude. The kittens over here would leave snail tracks if they got whiff of a young man like you. It wouldn’t be fair. You’d think you were dreaming. S.H.I.T. – Suddenly Hot in Thailand.

        Their trim tastes like vanilla essence, Artoo. These are definitely the droids you’re looking for.

        • Artoo

          I think you need a degree to do so. Otherwise, I wouldn’t mind doing that. Thailand is next on my places to visit.

          We will have to meet up!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ah, yes you would, but for less money there are always the shadier gigs in smaller schools.

          • Artoo

            Shadier gigs? I don’t know if I would like that lol
            I would love to see Thailand and interact with the people.

    • SC Dave

      Just get a guest gig here, Butch.

      You already start with all us assholes as an audience.

      • haha true.

        built in assholes.

        Was thinking of submitting a few pieces, but then Jeff got Andy to back up his Cargo gambit, then Data.

        I always thought it was a one man show, so never bothered.

        Maybe I will in the future.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I realize that NHL Hockey is kind of an acquired taste (and a sport best appreciated seen LIVE)) but, it is hard to beat Stanley Cup Game 7s.

    • booze. porn. >

    • BerwynBomber

      That sport would be a ton better on TV if you could actually see the puck cross the goal in live-time. But more often than not the TV audience is the very last to know a goal is scored. Kinda dampens the experience.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        maybe you can write the NHL a letter asking them to not hit the pucks so hard so it is slower and easier to follow.

        • BerwynBomber

          Lame sarc aside, just pointing out a problem.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Too true.

        Even in HD, TV is not Hockey’s friend.

  • Joecashflow

    Good new, this is good news…SI has picked the Bears to be worst in league, 2 wins. I for one am setting my sights low, Tea Biscuit riding the Pines and we get to draft high and win 12 in 2018. With expectations low, this could be fun season. http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/5/10/15617452/sports-illustrated-predicts-the-chicago-bears-will-be-the-worst-team-in-the-nfl-mitch-trubisky

    • BearDown100393

      SI is only 14 wins short on the prediction.
      And they wonder why circulation is down.

      • SC Dave

        Do you suppose their circulation is off 87.5% too?

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Agreed. The thing of most interest to me this year is Trub’s development and development of Trub’s future weapons Shaheen, Cohen and Meredith.

      Each win will be a bonus. A high pick wouldn’t hurt either. It will give Bears a chance to “fleece” some qb needy team next year.

      • SC Dave

        To say nothing of Howard.

        You know that hands problem? It would not surprise me in the slightest if by end of this season we’re all wondering what we were concerned over.

        That kid is the Real Deal.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Sweet.

      (Checks 2018 draft prospects)

      So if you have the two pick .. .is anyone giving up the top one for Darnold?

      Walter has us drafting DE Arden Key at 4.

      We’ll draft OT Mike McGlinchey at 8. There. Good Irish name that.

    • CanadaBear

      It will be interesting to see how this plays out. If they really are that bad, Fox is gone for sure. If they get to the halfway point at 1-7 I’ll be watching to see who is still playing and who has bagged and tagged the season.

      • It’s difficult to imagine a WORSE season.
        Sure, the schedule is def harder at the start, but

        1. Stats say Bears won’t lose their team to injs again
        2. Likely have only ONE QB instead of 3 (for better or worse)
        3. Aside from WR, we’re improved (and argument can be made we might be better at WR)

        Another detail to remember is that Birdcage was essentially a rookie play calling.

        As the season went on, he began getting more creative and comfortable with his personell.

        The drawbacks IMO are Fox and MAAAAAYBE Fangio

        • CanadaBear

          1. How long have you been a Bears fan?
          2. Pretty sure at least 2 QB’s start games this year for the Bears.
          3. Doubtful we improved.

          Birdcage was an OC at Tenn for a year. I’m not complaining, just pointing that out. I thought he did a decent job considering everything. I’m still behind Fangio. Look at who was playing in December and some of them (Porter) were playing on 1 leg. Fox for sure sucks moose wang.

          If the OL stays healthy, the O could be decent. Gonna be an interesting year.

    • AlbertInTucson

      The good news is, the last time SI got any of these predictions of theirs right was, never.

      The bad news is, that COULD mean 1 or 0 wins.

  • Scharfinator
  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    LOL Vlad cuckolded Trump. Pee tape coming out soon.

    White House barred American press from Trump’s Oval Office meeting with Lavrov. Then got hoodwinked by the Russians. http://wapo.st/2q4IIqh

    Jim Acosta‏Verified account @Acosta 1h1 hour ago
    WH furious over Russian government photos of Trump meeting with Lavrov/Kislyak. “They tricked us,” an official said of Russians “They lie.” WH did not anticipate Trump/Lavrov/Kislyak photos would be posted by TASS, official said.

    • willbest

      To summarize the link. Some partisan hack outsider who might have had a job relating to intelligence once, but who undoubtedly caught plenty of “24”, criticized the President. Jeff Bezo’s opinion apparatus drums up a non-story because the 3rd richest man on the planet is somehow part of “the resistance”. Toss in obligatory Russia hacked the election nonsense. Oh and I like the continued Ministry of Truth rewriting of history to push the narrative that Comey is now a left wing martyr and always has been a left martyr.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Orange Chimpanzee who likes taking golden showers with Russian hookers did urge the Russians to hack his opponents…That is an established fact.

        • willbest

          Going to love it when you produce the quote for me.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Man, where have you been? Living under a rock? Ignorantly supporting orange chimpanzee is no way to go through life, son.

            I don’t just have a quote for you. I have a video where the pu$$y grabber is asking russia to hack his opponents email.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnY7D4M4k68

          • willbest

            Exactly. I appreciate you getting the whole clip rather than lifting the single sentence. That is because you are able to discern that he starts from the premise that Russia already had the data, and he is just asking them to do us the favor of releasing them so we all know what was there. Or rather he implied that the US press would pay Russia for the e-mails. And that is of course if you want to be autistic and take him hyper literally rather than you know making a joke like he clearly is.

  • CanadaBear

    Not sure what happened to MB but if anything will bring him back it will be a flashy blonde with big fake tits.

    https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/photo/2017/05/10/tish-linendoll-lovely-lady-day

    • willbest

      Vacation? People are allowed to do that. Or is he making good on his being done with the Bears because they didn’t draft Adams

      • CanadaBear

        Nah. Probably work related. Glad I no longer have that problem.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I think he’s counting his money on one of those machines. Either that or his partner is ….

    • willbest

      Oh and my God those eyes. So big.

      • willbest

        You have out done yourself on this one.

    • Sahr Gborie

      yeah whats up with the guy. have not seen him in a while. hope all is well

      • CanadaBear

        He disappears when he is super busy with work or has the kids. Probably a work thing. I don’t think he bangs married women usually so I’m guessing he’s OK.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          LOL! I had to do a triple read on that. 1st 2 times I missed the word “married”.

          • CanadaBear

            Pretty sure he gives the unmarried ones hell.

  • leftcoast dave

    Zack Miller on the block. Worth a fourth, fifth or sixth?

    http://sportsmockery.com/2017/05/bears-quietly-trying-trade-key-veteran/

    • CanadaBear

      I’ll be shocked if they get anything for him above a 6th rounder (if that).

      • Sahr Gborie

        bet you didnt thing the eagles would get a 1st round pick for their qb but the viking did it

        • CanadaBear

          Didn’t have any idea one way or the other. Really don’t care what other teams do. So are you saying the Bears will get a 1st for Miller or what’s your point?

          • willbest

            I think he is implying you never know until you try. Though, the Bradford trade seemed perfectly reasonable under the circumstances. The Bears wouldn’t shop Miller if they didn’t plan on cutting him. If you know he is being cut, the only reason to trade for him is because you don’t want a bidding war or know he intends to go some place else if given the opportunity.

            A 6th sounds about right in that regards, but the question is who is looking for a solid TE and is okay gambling that he stays healthy? I can’t think of any team in that situation.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m with ya. I was intentionally being dense. I hope they get something for him but I would be shocked if he brings back much in return (if anything).

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            will he even be able to pass a physical?

          • CanadaBear

            Briefly.

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Usually this sort news only comes out when teams are not biting. So I expect Pace to cut Miller at some point. Miller is a good player but he lacks the most important ability – availablity.

      I think they will roll with 4 TEs on 53: Dion Simms, Adam Shaheen, MyCole Pruitt and Daniel Brown.

      Pace also seems determined to find his next Jimmy Graham. Rookie camp will have two basketball players who are trying to convert to TE.

      1) Franko House – 6’6″, 248 Ball State Forward. Played TE in high school.
      2) D.J. Johnson – 6’9″, 237 Kansas State Forward. Played TE in high school.

      The offensive gameplan for Trub is slowly coming into focus. Lot of screens (Tarik Cohen types) and quick passes to take advantage of his quick release and throws to big TEs especially in the red zone.

      • Bender McLugh

        didn’t know about D.J. Johnson too, that’d be nice if one of them worked out.

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1 23m23 minutes ago
    Acting FBI Dir. McCabe, asked if Comey lost support of the ‘rank and file’ at the FBI like the W.H. claimed: “No sir, that is not accurate.”

    Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1 10m10 minutes ago
    Acting FBI Director McCabe on the Russia probe: “We consider it to be a highly significant investigation.” contradicting White House claim.

    • SC Dave

      Far more interesting tjan these picadillos is the whple France thing. Macron positions as a centrist.

      Problem for France is that 57% (its truly mind-boggling) of GDP is government spending. So mind boggling that I should look for multi source confirmation.

      • SC Dave

        Okay… looks like every year starting 2009, French GDP has been over 54% government spending.

        Un-fucking-real

        Guess that’s what happens when no one works and you let anyone in the country.

        • Bender McLugh

          2.422 trillion GDP. No one works? ok.

    • King of DBB

      ECONOMIST: Beyond that, it’s okay if the tax plan increases the deficit?
      TRUMP: It is okay, because it won’t increase it for long. You may have two years where you’ll … you understand the expression “prime the pump”?
      ECONOMIST: Yes.
      TRUMP: We have to prime the pump.
      ECONOMIST: It’s very Keynesian.
      TRUMP: We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world. Have you heard that expression before, for this particular type of an event?
      ECONOMIST: Priming the pump?
      TRUMP: Yeah, have you heard it?
      ECONOMIST: Yes.
      TRUMP: Have you heard that expression used before? Because I haven’t heard it. I mean, I just … I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good. It’s what you have to do.

      Asking an Economist writer if he or she has heard the expression “prime the pump” is like asking Sports Illustrated writers if they’ve heard of “RBIs” or asking someone at Playboy if they’re aware that you can have your body surgically enhanced. Does Trump honestly think the writer is going to believe him when he says he invented the term?

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Man has small dick syndrome.

        Never seen, heard, read of a more insecure man than this orange chimpanzee.

        Worst. Liar. Ever.

        • Bender McLugh

          he truly is

          • willbest

            Is it lying if neither you nor he believes what he is saying?

          • CanadaBear

            Yes

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            If you stick fingers in your ears and close your eyes and say la-la-la-la, then there is no FBI Russia-Trump investigation!!!

          • willbest

            A court has ruled that the IRS was targeting conservative grassroot organizations, and yet nobody is in jail. The DoJ was caught selling guns to Mexican Drug Cartels which is an act of war, and yet nobody is in jail. The husband of the Dem presidential candidate held up the AG of the US to have a private conversation with her on a tarmac while his wife was under criminal investigation by the FBI, and yet this did not immediately disqualify the AG from making a decision with respects to the presidential candidate. This is the world you live in.

            You need to stop masturbating so furiously at the hint of impropriety about a guy who spent all of what? 5 weeks working for trump while he interviewed his replacement.

          • CanadaBear

            The net is starting to close.

          • willbest

            Why this time? Teflon Don is slick Willy’s protege.

          • CanadaBear

            SW didn’t make anywhere near as many enemies as Trump. Most of the dems were OK with him. Don’t believe the same percentage of repubs are OK with Trump.

          • willbest

            I think you are overestimating the influence of the John McCain’s of the GOP party. Trump controls the base. As long as the base is loyal you will get some “well I never” from predictable places, but it won’t amount to anything. The NRO set has been attacking Trump every chance they get. All they are doing is marginalizing themselves within the party.

            Oh and the base? Rumors and innuendo make them dig in their support even more. They are going to need to kick up the smoking gun. And I still have no idea what people think they are going to find. GP and JD’s fever dream that Trump is somehow Putin’s agent is farcical.

            Quite frankly I almost hope it were true. Do you realize the kind of fall out if the US could be infiltrated and controlled by a foreign agent so easily? Nobody that had ever been photographed with a foreign leader would ever win the presidency again. Country might take defending itself seriously rather than getting real people killed in 3rd world shit holes.

          • Et tu

          • willbest

            Me to? I never believed for a second Hillary was going to jail. I didn’t spend the entire summer bringing up this or that move by the FBI, link to infowars or equivalent sites. It was literally all in response to GP.

          • Bender McLugh

            ha! I believe so counselor

      • willbest

        After O blew the roof off the debt load taking it to 108% GDP, I have gone full Kubrick.

        How I stopped worrying about the Debt and learned to love it. We are all Venezuela.

        • evantonio

          thoughts on him coming up with Prime the Pump?

          • willbest

            I don’t exactly know what you want me to say. I know you all hate the habitually blatant liar in him. Confirmation bias. Al Gore invented the internet? Did you get enraged by that, or just shake your head?

            Its not like Obama didn’t lie. He was even called out for it in a SOTU. I tend to be more offended by lies of consequence when it comes to politicians. They all say they are going to do things they have no intention of, and take credit if we accept that. Why is taking credit for shit he didn’t do beyond the pale? Lynch is out there lying his ass off about how the Trubisky trade went down, and nobody around here bats an eye.

            It is an interesting lie though. Keyes would be persona non grata in the old GOP. And by the flip side the old Dem party couldn’t get enough Keyes. So the battle lines on this is going to be for Dems to be rabidly opposing something for which they been trying to push for the last 80 odd years, while the GOP supports something they have been nominally opposing for the last 80 odd years. Why? All because Trump decided it was good and if Trump likes it he must be opposed (or supported).

        • AlbertInTucson

          Didn’t “O” just get $3M for speech?

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Looks like Noles FB Freddie Stevenson has a good shot at making roster. After opening up lanes for Dalvin Cook would be nice to see him do the same for Howard, Cunningham and Cohen.

    FSU’s Freddie Stevenson who signed as UDFA was ranked one of the top FB in the draft class.

    Patrick Finley‏Verified account @patrickfinley 8m8 minutes ago
    #Bears release FB Paul Lasike, per sources

    • willbest

      I think I am going to go to my grave wondering why Unrien wasn’t a multi-year PB fullback.

  • King of DBB

    This one is for Al in Tuscon

    Michael McKean took inspiration for his Chuck meltdown in Better Call Saul from this famous Bogart scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-95QqBXLG2I

    McKean:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rreFXFnlKO4

    • CanadaBear

      As much as I like Bogey, he over acts something horrible in that scene. I thought MM did a nice job, even though him losing his shit over that was about as likely as me winning the lottery.

      • King of DBB

        He does. If he did that today in a LA Workshop on acting, his teacher would give him a F.

        It was interesting that McKean cited it, though.

        • CanadaBear

          With ya all the way. Love BCS. Really interested to see how they transition from Slipping Jimmy to Saul Goodman.

          • King of DBB

            The idea that Jimmy changes his name to save himself from Chuck’s reputation as a crazy is too rich.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m wondering if he gets disbarred and reinvents himself as SG.

          • King of DBB

            I think if a State disbars you, you can’t keep practicing law under a an assumed name.

          • CanadaBear

            That makes sense but this is TV after all.

  • Sahr Gborie

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bears-release-fb-paul-lasike/

    Bears release FB Paul Lasike

    and so it begins

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    How about dem apples?

    Jayne Miller‏Verified account @jemillerwbal 58m58 minutes ago
    Developing: FBI confirms agents are executing a search warrant at the office of GOP Fundraiser/Consulting firm in Annapolis. FBI investigation of GOP fundraising firm in Annapolis is run out of Washington, not a local case

    Annapolis is home to Strategic Campaign Group, which is run by Paul Manafort – pu$$y grabbers putin owned campaign chairman.

    • King of DBB
      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Cannot shred fast enough. Apparently it is an armada of FBI agents and US Marshalls

        Claude Taylor‏ @TrueFactsStated 39m39 minutes ago
        BREAKING: Legal Shock & Awe. Source in legal community reports large number of Warrants from Eastern District of Virginia being executed By the FBI. Source reports frenzy of activity inside the EDVA, large number of agents, US Marshals. The battle has been joined. More BREAKING. The basement of the EDVA was described as resembling a “judicial Armada” with a dozen or more FBI and US Marshals vans.

        RICO money laundering case against GOP

        https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/11/sources-russia-probe-means-president-hatch-rico-case-against-gop/

        • King of DBB

          Do you have a link to a non-whackjob website that talks RICO?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Just venturing a guess but I doubt he goes to non-whackjob websites.

          • King of DBB

            Are you wearing your t-shirt?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            not yet, I had to have it specially ordered.

          • King of DBB

            may want to put a hold on the order, so you amend writing on the back

            it should say “but he was right about everything”

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            no room. I asked them to put “and he is a closet Packer Fan!” Which weirdly is another reason it is taking longer. Evidently making such a awful statement about anyone requires me to go through a background check and then a waiting period, similar to buying a gun. I also have an interview with Homeland Security, something about domestic terrorism.

          • King of DBB

            Calling me a Packers fan is treasonous.

            I doubt you will go on trial though. It sounds like the court docket will be a bit full of treason cases for a while.

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta admit the thought of President Hatch made me smile.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            It is all coming out..This guy is a good follow..

            John Schindler‏Verified account @20committee 5h5 hours ago
            Trump’s botched firing of Comey to save himself from #KremlinGate = beginning of the end.
            http://observer.com/2017/05/donald-trump-kremlingate-james-comey/?utm_content=national+security&utm_campaign=social+flow&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

        • BearDown100393

          Too bad this didn’t happen to the Bears war room before draft day.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    Daryl Washington cut by Arizona, I hope the Bears take a flyer on him but unfortunately has off field issues.
    http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-2/Cardinals-Release-Daryl-Washington/14ab6195-2954-41b5-a13f-7553aeddb06d

  • BearDown100393
    • willbest

      I gather that its the teens fault. Or at least Pacman thought it was.

    • willbest

      I don’t get being angry about property damage. That is what insurance is for. Being angry because you are late to a business meeting or you got a huge cut on your hand with OTAs around the corner, maybe that is worth a few well chosen expressions of frustration.

  • BearDown100393

    Dr. Pace performing surgery on the roster today
    Sutton, Royal, Lasike, Edison buh-bye.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Sutton. That surprised me.

      • Yeah. A lil surprised by that. Maybe that Chiefs guy (Howard?)gave him the boot

        • AlbertInTucson

          I think Sutton was another guy who had trouble staying healthy long enough to have an impact.

          • CanadaBear

            Showed very little in 3 years.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          Sutton was always a misfit once Fangio came to town. Wasn’t big enough to play NT or 5T but hung around as depth.

          This year they signed John Jenkins (NT) and Jaye Howard (5T).

          Plus now they have a UDFA guy to stick on practice squad, Rashaad Coward…has power and is quick for his size. He is 6’6″, 310 lbs with 5.03 sec 40 yard dash.

          • leftcoast dave

            D line looking sweet.

    • willbest

      Good lord how do Houston survive this.

  • Trump had to ask 3 times? lol This will end well.

    “Am I under investigation for colluding with the Russians to usurp the American ppl?”
    “No, really, it’s yuge. Am I under investigation?”
    “C’mon man. Just lemme know. I got a russian honeytrap you would LOVE, Comey. LOVE”

    • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

      Comey started the FBI investigation against Orange Chimpanzee only after he publicly begged Russia to hack his opponents email.

      Guardian: FBI refuses to disclose docs on Trump’s call the during campaign for Russia to hack Hillary Clinton.suggests that Trump’s provocative comment last July is being seen by the FBI as relevant to its own ongoing investigation.”

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/11/justice-department-fbi-documents-trump-russia-hack-clinton-email

      Pu$$y grabber wanted to celebrate all his “winning” by going to FBI headquarter. Was told ‘NO’.

      Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1 2h2 hours ago
      NBC News: Trump nixes plan to visit FBI HQ—”told it was not likely he would be warmly welcomed.”

      • Johnnywad

        You’re trying awfully hard. Damn near nobody here gives a fuck.

        Give it a rest. Whatever’s gonna happen will happen regardless of how lathered up you get.

        • Cormonster

          But Trump is HITLER! He’s HITLER!

          • BerwynBomber

            Nah, he’s just a corrupt, idiotic liar.

          • Cormonster

            So are you saying I shouldn’t believe things I’ve read or heard in the Washington Post, New York Times, ABCNBCCBS, Vox, Salon, Slate, Huffington Post, and countless other news reports and reporters referring to Trump as HItler? Are they all fake news?

          • BerwynBomber

            Ah, you’re a fake news guy. Got it.

        • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

          Don’t be so butthurt if it is nothing.

          • Johnnywad

            I’m not. Just tired of your constant bullshit. I just had to live through the election. They’re already starting to rumble about the next one. And you’re here day in and day out with your whack job leads nobody gives a shit about. It’s tiresome.

            There are about three guys here that like Trump and about three that liked Clinton. The rest just want to talk football, titties and aliens.

          • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

            Your bitching belies your denials about being butthurt.

            Not everyone likes what everyone else posts here. Go pound sand.

          • Johnnywad

            Figured you’d miss the point. Post away Chicken Little.

      • leftcoast dave

        Yea, that’s it. Putin only hacked Hill’s home brew server after being asked to do so by the Donald. Yea, that’s it. And he got the classified stuff off Weiner’s site while trolling for Weiner porn.

        Meanwhile, back at the ranch, what part of Comey usurping the power of the AG (really, covering her butt after meeting with Slick “accidentally” on the Phoenix tarmac) don’t you get? That is not the call of the investigator, that is the call of the prosecutor! Get it! The guy was a loose cannon and good riddance.

  • Big Mike

    Sutton released. Another Emery bust.
    2014 Bears Draft Class. WTF
    1st (14) – Kyle Fuller – fighting to be the slot corner
    2nd (51) – Ego Ferguson – Free Agent – Failed Physical with Packers
    3rd (82) – Will Sutton – Cut
    4th (117) – Ka’deem Carey – Fighting for a roster spot Special Teams contributor.
    4th (131) – Brock Vereen – Bouncing around practice squads – currently a free agent
    6th (183) – David Fails – 4th string QB with Dolphins
    6th (191) – Pat O’Donnell – 28th ranked punter (based on net yards)
    7th (246) – Charles Leno – far and away the best pick in this draft. (Call in the blind squirrel theory)

    The players they could have taken, in exchange for a slot corner, a special teams contributor, and an average LT with 8 draft picks (5 in the top 150) is evidence of Emery’s buffoonery.

    • King of DBB

      Emery has bought into a chicken franchise with his life’s savings.
      It’s called Los Pollos Hermanos.

      Phil had a good feeling after meeting with the chain’s owner.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        Let me guess the chain’s owner… Emery’s alt ego Smart Bestman.

      • Big Mike

        High ceilings.

    • King of DBB

      Oh and my two favorite Emery picks:

      Brandon Hardin – He was made of glass and slow in college. White safety rule. SMH.
      Evan Rodriquez: He’s not a TE *or* a halfback. He’s a SWINGBACK. Holy shit are they gonna wreck the opponent with awesome formations!

      • Big Mike

        Those were horrible picks. Pace is doing much better with the physicality of his mid round picks and with their fit with the Bears scheme. They aren’t all world beaters, but they make sense.

    • O’Donnell also booted the better P (Tress Way) off the team due to his draft status.

      Never got Vereen. All around JAG from day one.

      If Leno makes a PB does that redeem that draft? Nah.

      • willbest

        Picking up a top 20 tackle redeems a draft.

        • Big Mike

          We disagree. Had the draft contained more than a special teams player and a slot corner, maybe. You need more than 1 starter out of a draft. A few rotational players even. But it’s just splitting hairs. The draft class sucks unless Fuller wakes up, Carey sticks as a special teamer and Leno keeps making progress.

          We will find out if the Bears OL is better at pass protecting without Cutler who hung on to the ball way to long.

      • Big Mike

        Oh Leno making a pro bowl, absolutely not. Because A 7th round LT draft choice who makes a pro bowl is just luck. Mike

        • Irish Sweetness

          Had high hopes for Tayo myself. Would have been a nice story. I wonder what he’s doing.

          • Big Mike

            Free Agent.

  • Malice Halice

    Not make any excuses but I just heard on the NFL top 100 that this was the lowest year in INT since 69′. That should also reflect y we ain’t get so many. Pie was too small…

    • willbest

      Indictment on the new rules regarding defenseless receivers and QB protection.

    • AlbertInTucson

      How DARE you post about football!

  • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

    Damn..NewYorker “United” cover is something..

    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/862768068388409344/photo/1

  • Funny. MSNBC is all over Russia electing Trump.
    Fox news is covering…an immigrant who allegedly murdered a lil girl.

    “Fair and Balanced”

    • A7Xthebest

      Which one? Both are state run media and you’re a moron if you believe otherwise.

      • Elect A Clown. Expect A Circus

        yeah.. only Orange Chimpanzee tells the truth.

      • There are about 15,000 homicides per yr most committed by citizens.
        But Fox chooses to cover the story of an immigrant murderer on a day when ya know the U.S. prez fires the FBI director who was possibly heading an investigation into presidential collusion and treason.

        But yah, build that wall.

        • willbest

          immigrant or illegal alien because there is a world of difference between the two. In the former it could fall under the “shit we choose to do to ourselves” if it is the latter then that is “shit somebody is doing to us”.

          Anyway, I am all for dealing with the homicide issue generally but its racist to notice that half of the homicides are a certain segment doing it do themselves. And somehow that means the rest of the country that has the same homicide rate as France should give up their guns because that certain segment can’t be trusted to behave with them.

          • leftcoast dave

            Are you talking about Chiraq with it’s tight gun control laws?

    • willbest

      The fever dream is strong on da blog today.

      It makes zero sense shit canning somebody you could blackmail.

      • The prez firing the guy investigating his russian collusion and conspiracy will tend to do that.

        • willbest

          But the FBI is always investigating somebody in powers connection to somebody else. That and looking at kiddy porn all day to find the pedophiles.

          • Oh, the FBI was investigating Obama for being a russian pawn?

          • leftcoast dave

            Of course not. He and Hill gave Vlad the reset button, you remember. Vlad, let’s reset the status of the Crimea and eastern Ukraine. By the way, give the Clinton foundation a ton of cash and you can buy our uranium mines. Deal homie?

          • willbest

            Is Trump?

    • leftcoast dave

      That’s funny. Clint Jong Hill says Comey elected Trump. Has nothing to do with all the blue collar workers in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa or Ohio thinking the dumbocrats had killed too many of their jobs with their enviro wackos Hollywood stars. Na, it was dem damn Rooskies!

      • leftcoast dave

        Oh, and don’t forget Michigan.

    • leftcoast dave

      Now they are covering an illegal who was deported 16 times and kept coming back. The result, a little boy seriously injured in a hit and run.

      But that don’t matter, does it? Wild unsupported partisan accusations are much more fun.

  • BearDown100393

    When Jay Cutler is on FOX, the network will be instantly fair and balanced.

    • leftcoast dave

      Bear and challenged?

      • BearDown100393

        Boom!

  • leftcoast dave

    I like this UDFA:

    Florida International tackle Dieugot Joseph (6-6, 300)

    Arrived at FIU as a defensive tackle, moved to offensive tackle during spring
    practice as a redshirt freshman in 2013. Started 10 games at left tackle
    as a sophomore before being limited by injuries as a junior. Rebounded
    last season to start all 12 games and earn Conference-USA honorable
    mention recognition. Blocked for FIU’s all-time leading rusher (Alex
    Gardner) and school’s career leader in TD passes (Alex McGough). Twitter
    handle is @DJoseph78.

  • King of DBB
  • Irish Sweetness

    New thread.

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