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Across The Middle: Will the Real Dowell Loggains Please Stand Up?

| November 21st, 2017

Outside of maybe John Fox, the hottest seat in the city of Chicago belongs to that of offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains. But in reality, do we even know if he’s bad?

Whether he intended to or not, Mitch Trubisky dropped a bombshell after Sunday’s game, saying he knows Loggains trusts him, but that Fox limits what they’re allowed to do. That’s Fox’s job and I can hardly blame him. The Bears had Tanner Gentry and Tre McBride lined out wide with a rookie quarterback two games ago. The results were completing less than 50% of their passes and an insanely high sack rate.

But that doesn’t change the fact that we still don’t really know what the offensive coordinator can do.

Some reflections:

  • Two of Loggains former quarterbacks — Matt Hasselbeck and Jay Cutler — insist he’s a bright coach.
  • Cutler went as far as to say that he thinks Loggains is going to be a head coach one day.
  • Hasselbeck has appeared on the Waddle & Silvy Show several times and has been adamant that what you see on Sunday isn’t a reflection of the coordinator.
  • Mike Munchak vouched for Loggains, having employed him as his offensive coordinator once and selling him as the guy who was going to run his show should he get another head job.

That said, he’s never had an offense finish better than 19th in scoring or 15th in yardage. Last year, the Bears were 28th in points scored and they sit 27th so far this year. But, how much can we blame him for that?

Mike McCoy was the guy many Bears fans wanted to replace Loggains last year. But McCoy without Peyton Manning or Phil Rivers isn’t so sexy. Without them he’s had one offense in the top twenty in scoring and none better than 13th. (Both of those actually came when Josh McDaniels was the brains behind the offense.) McCoy’s Broncos were top-five across the board in his final year there but, of course, they had Manning. After four years with Rivers, he went back to Denver with a poo-poo platter at quarterback and now he’s unemployed.

It’s hard to win with a rookie quarterback.

You can argue neither the coach nor the QB himself even matter, it’s more about the players around them. Of the last 18 rookie quarterbacks who have played seven or more games, 12 of their teams have finished in the bottom 10 in passing yards and almost every one of those teams has had losing records.

For every Dak Prescott, there are three Derek Carrs. These are the guys who needed time and — more importantly — surrounding talent before they could take off.

Everyone likes to point to Los Angeles Rams as a model for what the Bears should do. But, what about Philadelphia? The Eagles started strong last year, but they ended up 24th in passing yardage, despite throwing the ball more than all but five teams. In terms of percentages and averages, Carson Wentz’s rookie year is very similar to Mitch Trubisky’s but Wentz had guys like Jordan Matthews, Zach Ertz and Nelson Agholor.

Now, not only is Frank Reich a hot name for possible head coaching vacancies, but so is Philly’s quarterback’s coach John DeFilippo. Why? Because Wentz got better and they turned Matthews into Alshon Jeffery and added Torrey Smith.

Even with the Rams, you can look at the coach all you want, but don’t overlook the fact that they completely revamped their group of receivers.

A lot of the Bears struggles have come from not having adequate receivers. Since adding Dontrelle Inman — who certainly isn’t a No. 1 receiver — you’ve seen their passing offense improve with Trubisky throwing for 476 yards and completing 60 percent of his passes the last two weeks.

Fox is almost certainly going to be fired. There have been too many mistakes and too much sloppiness. But Ryan Pace really likes his offensive coordinator. Not enough to make him a head coach, but certainly enough to suggest he stays to whoever the next coach is.

There are dozens of examples of good coaches whose offenses didn’t have success because they didn’t have the players. Is it possible that Loggains is another one? We don’t know what goes on behind closed doors at Halas Hall, but Trubisky gave us a peak. Loggains is doing as he’s told. In the last six games, I’d like to see him rebel and call his game so we can see what he’s got.

Two Minute Drill

I get the outrage over Jordan Howard, Tarik Cohen and Adam Shaheen not being on the field in the two-minute drill, but I think it’s mostly understandable.

Howard has been on the field in the two-minute drill and the results have been underwhelming. How quickly we forget about the key drops he’s had in those situations. Howard does a lot of things well but catching passes isn’t one of them.

With Howard not being on the field, the logical backup would be Cohen, but he can’t block. It’s important to have a running back who can block because a sack kills the two-minute drill.

They could probably have Cohen as a receiver, moving Kendall Wright out wide, but Cohen doesn’t know the plays in that situation. The Bears have already put a lot on his plate, learning multiple positions in different formations and situations. This is one he hasn’t gotten to yet. Hearing Cohen speak after the game, it sounds like something he’s working on, but he isn’t there yet.

Shaheen plays the in-line tight end position, typically for blocking. Until the last two weeks, he really struggled in the passing game. I had a source close to the coaching staff tell me he still has a long way to go in the passing game, largely because they’ve had to do so much work on his blocking.  Shaheen is a good threat in the middle of the field, but he’s not the most fleet of foot. Daniel Brown is more athletic — essentially playing a different position as the move tight end and his speed can help them in those situations.

In the cases of Cohen and Shaheen, they’ll learn the two-minute drill and they’ll find the field there, probably sooner rather than later. They just aren’t there yet. Considering they’re rookies from small schools, I think they’re progressing rather nicely.

Finally…

The Conner Barth nightmare is over. Sweet Jesus, it’s finally over.

Replacing Robbie Gould with Barth is one of the three biggest mistakes Ryan Pace has made in his entire life.

Bring On The Iggles

Another week in which we get to see coaches who many fans want to be in charge of the Bears next season.

Reich and DeFilippo are hot names because their offense is among the best in the league, but we really don’t know how much they have to do with that. Doug Pederson is in charge of the offense, so it’s not possible for us on the outside to pinpoint how good Reich and DeFilippo are. Both have failed in previous stints as offensive coordinators, but that’s another discussion for another time.

The Eagles look like a powerhouse right now. They have the highest-scoring offense in the league and the eighth-best defense. That kind of combination usually leads to a long playoff run. With all of the injuries the Bears have had on defense and their struggles the last two weeks, there’s no real reason to think they’ll slow them down.

Another guy a lot of people seem to want as a head coach — Jim Schwartz — has their defense playing at a high level as they’re first against the run. Also not a good sign for the Bears.

I think the Bears will keep this game close because that’s what they do as long as they don’t turn the ball over. A win, however, would be a huge shock.

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  • I agree that we don’t really know how good or bad Loggains is. I thought he was impressive last year in maximizing his extremely limited talent.

    But I don’t like him enough to tell a new coaching hire they have to keep him. When you hire your new HC, you let him bring in his coordinators. Don’t try to force your guys on them.

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  • BerwynBomber

    If Schwartz is smart he sticks with Pederson and Wentz and becomes a DC lifer. Sensing Pederson/Wentz could have a 10-15 year run. Then after that stick with the PHI organization or pack your bags for another spot. Become a Jim Johnson/LeBeau/W. Phillips/even Old Sauce type.

    Wondering if Josh McDaniels might have a similar career but on the O side.

    • willbest

      Schwartz already proved he can’t hack it at the HC level though. I don’t know why anybody would give him another crack at it.

      • evantonio

        ::cough:: belichick ::cough::

        • willbest

          He wasn’t completely awful there, and it was the Browns

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            you could also say Schwartz wasn’t completely awful. He took over a 0-16 team and made playoffs one year. and it was the Lions

          • CanadaBear

            My issue with Gym Shorts is the team will always be dirty if he’s the DC or HC.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            I agree. I am not endorsing him in anyway, just pointing out he was not completely awful.

          • willbest

            The team was always undisciplined though. That is the real issue with him. He needs somebody over him enforcing order.

          • CanadaBear

            That would rule out being a HC.

          • evantonio

            but it was the Modell Browns, no? So there was still some modicum of respectability.

  • ButtonShoes

    “Two of Loggains former quarterbacks — Matt Hasselbeck and Jay Cutler — insist he’s a bright coach.”

    “Cutler went as far as to say that he thinks Loggains is going to be a head coach one day.”

    This is all I need to read to know that Loggains needs to be fired with extreme prejudice. Like…today.

  • Nicodemus

    Blame Cutler, Blame Fox, Complain, Complain, Complain….. Jerry Angelo was TERRIBLE at drafting and signing free agents (Hester being the rare exception)…his ineptitude cost the team for years! Add to that the Bears seem to have led the league in injuries every year in recent history and you can’t really blame Fox….it’s hard to win games when you’re down to your 3d stringers! The good news is that Pace drafts well and the Bears look like they’ll be picking high in the draft again..

    • Scharfinator

      Great Angelo Picks (stars): Tillman, Briggs, T. Harris (inj), Hester, Olsen, Forte,

      Honorable mentions (long time NFL starters): Manning, C. Harris,C. Graham, H. Melton (inj), C. Conte (somehow STILL playing)

      I will give you that 2010 onward was a dumpster fire, but he had some solid early picks. Great drafting? No. Terrible? Probably not.

      • 11 solid picks in 11 drafts is a pretty terrible draft record. For comparison, Emery landed Kyle Long, Kyle Fuller, and Alshon Jeffery in his 3 drafts (plus Cornelius Washington and Shea McClellin, who both look on their way towards being long-time NFL contributors/possibly starters), so about the same rate.

        • CanadaBear

          You can’t just look at the total over the length of time with JA. He was pretty solid in the draft for the first few years and then … hideous.

          • willbest

            True. As Seattle shows, if you hit on 3 drafts in a row, you are going to get a good 5-6 year window.

          • 16 and 17 both look pretty damn good to me.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            I agree. But it’s still gonna come down to Trubisky if we’re right. If Pace got that right, I’m pretty confident he’s got enough of an eye for talent to keep the Bears competitive year in and year out once Trubisky grows into his roll.

          • It’s almost all on Trubisky.

            That is why it’s…Trubisky Biz.

          • willbest

            I think a 2018 or 2019 Trubisky will have what it takes to not F up a 2006 Bears D.

          • I think Trub’s floor is Tyrod Taylor.

            That’s plenty good to at least make a run surrounded by solid coaching and D.

            He’s already better than Orton, Sexy Rexy and about a dozen other Bear alum.

          • CanadaBear

            The Sex Cannon was awesome until people found out he couldn’t handle a pass rush. Just a minor flaw!!!

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            or a snap from under center. Just another minor flaw!!!

          • Wasn’t’ it McNown who couldn’t throw to his left?

            Who needs the left side anyways.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            i don’t remember that. Wasn’t McNown left handed? you would think he could throw left.

          • CanadaBear

            I think TT is somewhere around the middle of the pack as far as QB’s go (15-20). If that’s the floor and the ceiling is top 10, I’ll take that all day, every day.

          • Cutler after a decade in the league, weapons, and supposedly his best OC – just threw 3 INTs in 12 attempts

            I think Trub is already even with Cutler.

            Hopefully, he passes him up soon.

            Next stop, McMahonville…

          • CanadaBear

            Other than Irish, I think most of us on here believe that is very doable for MT.

            I saw where Cutler got concussed in that game. I saw the play where they said he was concussed and the guy hit him in the helmet with his arm as he went flying by. I’m sure that wouldn’t feel great but if that concussed him, Jay should hang it up fast. Honestly, after stumbling around concussed for about the entire second quarter against the G-men, I have always kinda wondered how many times he’s been KO’d.

          • Sactowns#1

            Make that other than Irish and Sac. The guy still has to show me a lot more before I jump on the bandwagon.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s nowhere near as smart as Mac. You don’t learn smarts. You are or you aren’t. Ditka called him the smartest he’d ever coached, Steve Young learned the game from the bench behind him. That is all.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Kyle Orton had ten wins as a rookie and holds the NFL passing record for most completions to one receiver in a game. NT does not get to bunny hop over that. Yet.

          • I think a 2017 Trubisky already has what it takes to not F up a great D. The Bears had a 3-game stretch of great D right before the bye, in which they beat 2 playoff teams and took the hottest team in the league to the wire on the road.

            What I like about Trubisky is that he hasn’t been making bad decisions (ie forcing balls into traffic). His accuracy needs a lot of improvement, but it’s been good on tape until the last month or so, which tells me it will come back. Looks like his footwork is just off right now. An offseason of work should fix that, and I think he’ll be an above-average QB in 2018.

          • “looks like his footwork is just off right now. An offseason of work should fix that,”

            Isn’t that what Bears fan said about Cargo for 8 straight yrs?

            And yet even now he’s still throwing off his back foot or doing that backpeddling shit.

            I hope the next regime is great and drills him with proper mechanics

            Till then, I’ll remain…cautiously optimistic…

            Though I do like that Trub seems very conscious about TOs.

            Some of them have been a little fluky like the botched snap, and such.

          • Absolutely. And there was always a dichotomy between his defensive picks (which went from great to meh) and his offensive picks (which, outside of Forte, were almost universally awful).

        • willbest

          Leno was Emery’s most impressive draft pick with 3 years of hindsight.

          • Yeah, forgot him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And Leno is a JAG.

          • willbest

            Oh come on. Leno is a top 20 LT in the NFL. That is not JAG.

        • Scharfinator

          Do we consider Emery a horrible drafter considering this year’s performance of those players? One even has a SB ring.

          • SC Dave

            Hard to say really, although Fangio did say something along the lines of “this team wasn’t built for anything” when he was asked about 4-3 versus 3-4.

          • Scharfinator

            So I suppose, by Fangio’s yardstick, they both sucked.

            He certainly knows better than I do as well as Mel Tucker.

          • CanadaBear

            Yeah, Emery was horrible at drafting. CD is JAG. Alshon is a WR2, Long and Leno were both great picks, Fuller is REALLY inconsistent, POD is OK but it took 4 years to get there. All the other guys that were drafted and still in the league are JAG’s. That’s nothing to shout about for 20 picks.

          • SC Dave

            A solid #2 in the second round is a good pick in my estimation. But maybe you’re saying that… can’t tell.

          • CanadaBear

            Exactly. I really liked Alshon and a true #2 WR is not an insult. I’d be happy to see Pace repeat that scenario this upcoming draft. My only real issue with Alshon was missing games. That 4-game suspension sure didn’t help. That was definitely a good pick by Emery. From what I can tell he seems really happy in Phil so maybe it was more the losing in Chi than any of the other stuff.

      • Irish Sweetness

        ?????????????

      • Nicodemus

        Fair enough…I’d forgotten some of those you mentioned were Angelo’s….I was recalling his last few years when he drafted a lineman with known back problems, the Cedric Benson wasted pick (when they already had Tomas Jones on the roster and an aging offensive line and needs on defense), etc.

        • Scharfinator

          He *CERTAINLY* had some stinkers, no doubt about that!

  • CanadaBear

    “Replacing Robbie Gould with Barth is one of the three biggest mistakes Ryan Pace has made in his entire life.” I think you might want to put a qualifier in there about football or the NFL.

    • willbest

      No, AD might have a point. To my knowledge he doesn’t come from money or influence, yet he achieved the pinnacle of his career at 37. His work ethic is rock solid. His skills as a scout are considered top notch. His wife is attractive, his daughter is a cutie. I mean maybe there are some skeletons in the closet. Or lingering regrets below the surface, but its not apparent. While maybe not #3, Barth can’t be too far down the list of poor life choices.

      • CanadaBear

        None of us have any real insight into his personal life (and we shouldn’t).

        • willbest

          While mostly tongue in cheek, my point remains, he is quite successful as a person. It is hard to be successful as a person without making lots and lots of good choices, while limiting the bad ones.

          • CanadaBear

            Like many things in life, we will have to disagree.

          • evantonio

            i think we can each point to at least 5-10 politicians on the other side that refute this point. 😉

          • willbest

            Fair enough. Start with the presumption you aren’t talking about a psychopath.

            But I might also point out that some things that appear to be bad choices aren’t necessarily.

            Making a choice and having the odds fall against you are one thing. Kevin White. Landing a unique talent is critical to a team’s success. I think with Barth though, the point is Pace’s prior experiences should have informed him that this was not the best hire.

            Its not generally the failures that keep you up at night. Its the opportunities wasted.

        • Pace could own a freezer full of decapitated heads for all we know

          • CanadaBear

            I do a bunch of promo stuff on facebook. That stupid B&W photo challenge has been going around. One of my guitarist friends posted one of about a dozen Fender guitar necks in various stages of finishing. Another musician that I don’t know very well asked where he buried the bodies. That made me laugh.

  • CanadaBear
    • AlbertInTucson

      He caught Johnny Unitas’ first TD pass.

      A pick-6.

      Joe Fortunato passed away, also age 87, on the 9th.

  • That Guy

    God no not Schwartz. I hated that asshole with the Loins and I certainly don’t want him touching the holy of holies at Halas Hall.

    • CanadaBear

      Amen Brother!

      • CanadaBear

        What a couple of douchebags. If I was Gym Shorts I would have been pissed about the back slap. I wouldn’t have lost my mind over it but Hairball definitely was in the wrong. Calm the fuck down and act like you’ve won a game before this one.

        • SC Dave

          Harbaugh is a dick.

  • Loggains was my #1 concern last season (hence the nickname #Birdcage)

    But Cutler/Hoyer/Barkley weren’t exactly ideal to run any O.

    Even so, Birdcage did squeeze a lot from that trio (esp Hoyer)

    We didn’t really see any of that until the last game.

    I was quite impressed with the aggressiveness and creativity vs the Lions in spite of the results.

    It’s a shame Barf missed it cuz Trub finally had his Watson moment.

    Watson was pretty Meh if you recall at first.

    But then he had this incredible 50 yd scamper right before the half in a tight game, and he never looked back.

    Would’ve loved to see Trub in OT, keep it rolling.

    Oh well.

    ————–

    It’s odd.

    So Andy and Jeff are more than implying that Birdcage is getting Foxed.

    And most agree that it’s Fangio’s show on D.

    So what the hell does Fox do?

    What POSSIBLE reason can they give us why he’s still on the team?

    • evantonio

      • We need the Bobs.
        Every day is the Mundays w Fox.

        • SC Dave

          “The Bobs”… and I was hoping there was an ‘o’ missing there…

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Throws in game challenge flags.

      • Can it be possible Pace is keeping Fox to lose games for draft position?

        Gotta remember this is the same bot that paid Glennon $16m to fool the Browns about Trub.

        • willbest

          The Browns could have had Wentz.

          • Here’s a metaphysical koan:

            Would Wentz be Wentz on the Browns?

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            No. Wentz would have been injured preseason before playing a game and be out for his entire rookie year and then out of all of football in four years.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Even after passing on Wentz, they passed on Watson.

          • DIdn’t they also pass on Marriotta?

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Does that mean we’ll eventually thank Glennon ,Barth, and Fox when we draft our future Hall of Famers next year?

  • willbest

    Charlie Rose fired.

    The women of SNL unite to defend Al Franken.

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/738849/36-women-who-worked-snl-unite-publicly-defend-al-franken

    I suspect Franken has calculated that if he weathers the next couple months, all this will be old and unimportant by 2020 when he is up for reelection.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Franken was with SNL when the place was rampant with recreational drug use.

      Not sure anything has changed.

      • CanadaBear

        If only it made them funnier.

        • AlbertInTucson

          George Carlin admitted he was high when he hosted that first show.

          • CanadaBear

            I really don’t care what people do to themselves but SNL has had some really unfunny people for a long time.

            Almost nothing surprises me about people and alcohol/drug use but I gotta admit that coach snorting coke and talking to his stripper friend (not much of a friend) surprised me. That was some real stupidity on display. WOW!

          • Scharfinator

            Still not many funny ones in it now either.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I haven’t watched for decades.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I am sure they THOUGHT it did.

    • Charlie Rose really surprises me.

      Al Franken to a certain extent because quite frankly I assumed he didn’t even have a sex drive.

      https://imgur.com/gallery/5tfva8l

      • KentuckyBearsFan

        Have you seen his PBS interviews? He had great guests and was a good interviewer, but there was some point during almost every interview (in hindsight) in which he seemed to conceal a mean streak.

        Maybe it was more about power than sex…as an interviewer it was HIS SHOW.

        He wasn’t just famous. He was PBS FAMOUS.

        (inferiority complex?)

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Christ, at this rate the next scandals will be Terry Gross and Amy Goodman messing with the interns.

        • Sactowns#1

          Every good comedian has a mean streak. Hell, any intelligent person has a mean streak.

          • KentuckyBearsFan

            I agree with that .

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dude, Franken always looked like a colossal pervert to me. NTTAWWT.

    • evantonio

      Apparently some pics came out of the Franken lady force kissing troops and butt grabbing other performers on that same tour. And she recently signed a book deal with Sinclair.

      Do with this information what you will.

    • SC Dave

      Of course Hollywood will defend him. Turpitude is just fine, so long as you vote the right way.

    • Sactowns#1

      My guess is he knows its all false outrage (as many photos have come out to show) and has called for a full investigation so he can be cleared. Smart guy.

      • willbest

        Al Franken would be sunk by a full investigation. As would, I suspect, 97 other Senator (I will leave open the possibility that we accidentally elected 2 people without skeletons in their closet).

  • CanadaBear
    • willbest

      I will attempt to take off my Bears goggles.

      Hard to tell. It doesn’t look good in that there were other places for him to put his foot as he avoids stepping on a Lion, even accounting for trying to dodge Leno’s knee which was coming up. And he is clearly looking down at the area.

      That being said, it doesn’t look like he applied serious pressure to Leno’s ankle with the bulk of his weight being on his heel which was on the ground. It was also a consistent motion, and there is no obvious attempt to bring the foot down harder. If either had occurred I suspected his step would have been far more awkward than it was.

      If he has a history fine him. If he doesn’t put it in the file in case it happens again.

    • willbest

      heh. His wife scolded Biggs on twitter.

  • willbest

    John Lasseter (co-founder of Pixar and now head of Disney Animations) takes leave of absence and apologizes for “unwanted hugs”.

    http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/john-lasseter-pixar-walt-disney-animation-studios-leave-of-absence-1202620923/

    I am absolutely willing to entertain the notion that there is more going on than he is just a prolific hugger, but it seems to me that as long as he isn’t copping a feel or rubbing dong while he is doing it, then this is a complete overkill.

  • BuddhaJoe

    Fuck the Bears for making me agree with Rosendoom. They should’ve shitcanned Fox yesterday and given Fangio a chance to see if he is HC material.

    Not gonna link it though because fuck him.

    • I can’t figure it out.

      Only two possibilities in my mind:

      1. The “think tank” and the McCaskeys guaranteed Fox he would never be fired in-season.
      Maybe that was part of their sell. Maybe it’s even in his contract.

      2. The McCaskeys don’t want to do it because they never have and consider it beneath them, a vulgar plebian act like eating pizza sans knife and fork.

      3. Pace wants to keep Fangio as DC going forward.

      This is a lot like if you’re a boss, and you love a guy on your team, and know he can start up his own company if given the chance, so you basically undermine him to keep him around working for you.

      4. Pace is indeed a Bot.

      He’s complacent and ignorant about the pulse of the NFL, the Bears, and their fans.

      Given that he lives by the motto – go big or home – #4 doesn’t really jibe.

      Then again, he’s attacks FA like an asian accountant, so, ya know…

      • willbest

        The only thing firing Fox really gets them is evaluating one of their coordinators as a HC. If Pace knows he isn’t hiring either of them as HC then there isn’t really a point to getting rid of Fox. Team morale? Sometimes that works, other times not so much. I don’t think any of the players dislike Fox and they haven’t quit on him like McAdoo.

        Keep in mind that players care less about division rivalries than fans. I have been a Bears fan since I was 5 years old. The longest tenured Bear hasn’t been on the Bears as long as my oldest son has been watching them.

        • But that’s what I mean by #4, that Pace either doesn’t know or doesn’t care how the fans feel, esp after the embarrassing loss to GB at home after the bye without Vadgers.

          Terminating Fox.

          Pros.

          1. Sends a msg to fans, coaches and team that abject CRAP will not be tolerated.

          This goes for future players and coaches too.

          2. Will take away the constipation and stink floating in the room. It’s too late for playoffs, but it’s NOT too late to develop a winning culture and feel good going forward.

          2B. Once they start winning more without Fox, they can can carry that momentum to ’18.

          More importantly though, the momentum will attract elite FAs which we desperately need.

          Tires of seeing guys like Bouye just laugh at Bears’ offer cuz they want to play with winners.

          3. From most accounts, Fox is cucking the O.

          Firing him will theoretically allow Birdcage to call more professional games like the Lions, which in turn will progress Trub faster.

          Fox is stunting our franchise QB, and I don’t want that loser’s stink imprinting itself permanent on Trub.

          Con.

          1. Lower draft pick.

          • willbest

            You don’t think what it signals to the next potential HC is a con?

          • What does it signal

            Don’t go 12-30?

            Maybe that motivates the next HC to not fucking suck ass.

          • willbest

            Even when I draft you a first rounder that can’t get on the field. Even when I turn the entire roster over in 3 years providing you with no consistency. Even when I give you a rookie QB with 13 college starts and saddle you with a low end backup making $18 million. Even when I can’t find an OLB who can stay on the field. Even when I provide you the worst receiving group in the league.

          • You think this roster should only win 28.6% of the time?

            I don’t.

            Wont’ even bring up Fox being 0-6 in games he’s favored in, or being 5-14 after the bye in 3 seasons, or all those times they came out flat or were out coached after the half.

            If that Puke game isn’t terms for termination, dunno what is.

            He serves no purpose.

            He’s like a crusty old yellow toenail.

            Needs to be clipped.

          • willbest

            We don’t know what Fox was told to do though. If the primary goal of the season after starting 1-3 was to develop Trubisky, then the record is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is how Trubisky is playing in week 16-17 and if he can take what he has accomplished into next season.

          • I’m certain he wasn’t told to lose to the Pack, coming off a short week, without Vadgers or Buluga, a bum QB, a 3rd string HB…while we were coming off a bye, with momentum, and relatively inj free, at home.

            In spite of all that, Fox got out coached by Grimace

            If you can’t beat the Puke with all that, what on earth would make a fan believe Fox can beat them on a consistent basis with Vadgers going forward?

            There’s a VERY good reason Elways fired his ass and went on to win a SB.

          • leftcoastdave

            Agree he should not return next year, but why fire him now?

            All the reasons I hear are irrational and would be counter-productive.

          • Firing an HC after back to back losses to the Puke and Lions at home and with a 28.6% winning percentage is not only not irrational, it’s the ONLY rational choice.

            But, I’ll just copy/paste

            1. Sends a msg to fans, coaches and team that abject CRAP will not be tolerated.

            This goes for future players and coaches too.

            2. Will take away the constipation and stink floating in the room. It’s too late for playoffs, but it’s NOT too late to develop a winning culture and feel good going forward.

            2B. Once they start winning more without Fox, they can can carry that momentum to ’18.

            More importantly though, the momentum will attract elite FAs which we desperately need.

            Tired of seeing guys like Bouye just laugh at Bears’ offer cuz they want to play with winners.

            3. From most accounts, Fox is cucking the O.

            Firing him will theoretically allow Birdcage to call more professional games like the Lions, which in turn will progress Trub faster.

            Fox is stunting our franchise QB, and I don’t want that loser’s stink imprinting itself permanent on Trub.

            4. Addendum. See if Fangio can reignite some of that enthusiasm in the locker room, or find out if he’s worth a shit as HC.

          • leftcoastdave

            Wow! Messages sent! Stink in room! Will win more! (Based upon what?) and (I’ll now paraphrase) FA’s will be more interested in signing!!! “Theoretically” (???) more professional games will be called!!!

            Seriously? Nice story line, but . . . justified by what?

            We know what is developing under Fox (who will not be returning), but we do not know what happens without him.

            But then, we can all speculate that without Foxenstein, Mitchell would have won every game he started, but for that old fart Foxenstein.

            Get rid of that old fart and everything will come up roses!!!!!!!

      • BuddhaJoe

        I agree with some of this but Pace should NOT give a fuck what most of the fans think. Read the Trib or ESPN comments, most of the fans are fucking retarded.
        Hell that’s how I ended up here. No matter how emotional you guys get you’re fucking Einsteins compared to the rest of the web.

        • leftcoastdave

          EMOTIONAL????? WHO’S EMOTIONAL????

  • willbest
    • leftcoastdave

      I’m sure it is still our fault.

      • willbest

        The US dumps some 77,000 tons of plastic, which sounds like a lot but works out to a half pound a person. I mean the number should be zero, but its probably entirely accounted for by beach goers and boaters dumping shit in the Ocean because they are too lazy to pack it out.

        • leftcoastdave

          No, it’s still all our fault.

          Didn’t we invent plastic or don’t we make most of it?

          “Better living through chemistry.”

  • Irish Sweetness

    Never understood it – somebody runs a good offense (because they have good players??) … and they’re immediately tipped up to be a HC somewhere. A completely different job and skill-set, almost unrelated.

    I haven’t seen one name mentioned that’s anywhere as qualified (or as interested in the job) as Jon Gruden.

    • willbest

      Finding a HC is the same as finding a CEO. Just because somebody can run the sales department or the finance department at a fortune 500 company doesn’t mean they can run the whole show. And you could look to elevate some Russel 2000 CEOs to the big league but they might not transition well either. And of course, people with CEO experience that are available are usually available because the messed up at some point.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      So only previous HCs are suitable candidates?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Well, Chucky is certainly a suitable candidate. ‘Only’ is a strong word.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          Gruden appears to be quite content.

          • I know the annual “Gruden/chin” talk heats up around this time, but there’s been an unusual amount of rumors about Gruden this yr.

            Gruden himself says he misses Tirico, so maybe he’s not as content as some think.

            The bad news – same rumors link him to Bucs, Raiders, in that order.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            I really haven’t paid much attention. I just have a hard time seeing somebody give up the job Gruden seems to be enjoying, which I’m sure pays quite well, to go back to coaching. The quality of life gap between the two has to be enormous.

            And Cowher, seems like he’s lost a step. Looking around for his Werther’s and pocket watch while they’re both in the breast of his buttoned sweater.

          • Cowher I haven’t heard much about, and I wouldn’t want him. He just doesn’t seem that involved.

            Chucky’s a lil different.

            He’s a bit of a maniac, maybe even obsessed.

            That’s usually what it takes to leave a cush gig to grind it out.

            He’s also still on top of his game.

            He runs the QB camp in the off-season, so basically he’s been watching college QB film for yrs now.

            And he does his homework in broadcasting, checking out trends, etc

            Chucky would intrigue.

            But he has his drawbacks.

            My main one for him is that he’s a strict WCO dude.

            Would he be willing and able to adapt and run some Read?

            Or would he just try to jam his system down Trub’s throat like Martz with Cutler?

          • Irish Sweetness

            He is just like a kid who loves football. He’s only doing TV because it’s related to football … but it’s not football. WE are football.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Cowher defended Glennon during the Packer game. Lost all respect for him at that moment.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He was totally selling himself to the Bears a few weeks ago. Said he’d love to work with MT.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Gruden has said numerous times over the years that he would love to work with a lot of young players.

            One thing I don’t like about Gruden is it takes a ton for him to actually critique a player/coach/play. At least as a TV announcer/analyst he would rather knob slobber players than give an actual critique of them. He has gotten a little better over the years, at the beginning of his announcing it was very clear he did not want to upset anyone.

    • Would you have picked Chucky over Pederson or McVay?

      Sometimes these co-ordinators pan out (Every great coach).
      A lot of times they don’t (Wade Phillips, McDaniels, Haley…)

      • Irish Sweetness

        I get that some people find him annoying, but he was basically interviewing for the job when he covered our game a while back. He brought it to the Raiders and he brought it to the Bucs. Been there, done that, has the whole picture colored in. Not too old, and he looks like he wants it.

        I think he’d be great for Mitch, and us.

        • KentuckyBearsFan

          Would have to throw the Goldman Sachs bank at him to be able to afford him. Could be worth it.

          He was able to win the Super Bowl with the team Tony Dungy built and trained.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Also, he knew the Raiders playbook inside and out.

          • leftcoastdave

            I guess the question really is whether it would take that?

            Some guys want to prove themselves.

            Whoever takes on this team has a great young core with money to spend and a GM who knows how to draft great talent.

            The future’s so bright, . . . well, can’t exactly say that yet.

        • SC Dave

          No one took my bait during one of the Packers threads… maybe I’ll post it again next time Chucky comes up.

  • BuddhaJoe

    I know I’ll probably get roasted again but I would be totally fine with Gym Shorts as HC. I agree with the criticisms of him but he got the worst team EVER to the playoffs in a couple of years despite working under Millen Jr, a GM who only looked competent because of the guy he followed.

    • willbest

      He is a warlock! Burn him!

      • AlbertInTucson

        “He turned me into a NEWT!”

        • leftcoastdave

          Way too good. I read it and in my head was that Python accent.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Can’t think of a lot of movies that had the audience laughing during the opening credits.

            “…HOLY GRAIL” is one of them.

          • leftcoastdave

            Don’t know if we want to be near the team when calling out “bring out your dead, bring out your dead.”

            Or is it more like, “it’s just a flesh wound.”

          • AlbertInTucson

            “What are you going to do? BLEED on me?”

        • willbest

          Did you get better?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Yes, Sir Bedevere.

          • leftcoastdave

            Yes, but . . . “Kill her! Kill the witch!!!”

          • AlbertInTucson

            It was “BURN HER, BURN THE WITCH!”

  • That Guy

    Fox won’t get canned during the season for one reason:

    Trubisky.

    Whoever would take over after Fox, Loggains suddenly gets less time with the kid. Everyone’s sphincters tighten up. Players who are big on Fox would feel adrift, and a rudderless team with less coaching time for a developing kid means more potential for regression for however many games.

    Pace and ownership want Trubisky to reach his potential. I think one of the biggest reasons for the offense being so retarded since #10 got the ball is because they want to minimize any bad habits, any bad mojo he might fall into. They don’t want him to turn into StripSack 2.0. They’d rather bring him on too slow than get him gunslinging with his cock out.

    And if they’re being that conservative that the offense is built to minimize his potential for bad habits & errors, they’re not going to spit into the wind and let head coaching chaos stymie his growth the rest of the season.

    If Geoffrey Giraffe had been able to compete, and the Bears still blew goats the way they have the past couple games, Fox would be gone–because so would the Longneck at the end of the season. As it is, they want to minimize the chaos and its effect on Mitchell.

    We’re stuck with Fox for the rest of 2017. All bets are off on Black Monday, though.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Fox won’t get canned during the season for one reason: Virginia doesn’t pay two salaries.

      • CanadaBear

        She has been paying two for a while. They owed Lovie money and they owed Nessman money (for 2 seasons). They pay two salaries.

  • leftcoastdave

    The pitchforks are certainly out for Dr. Foxenstein. The reality of what he dealt with? Glennon. No receivers and a rookie QB who has been deer in the headlights with a few moments of brilliance.

    What’s he done with that?

    Develop his talent for the future.

    Is anybody suggesting he has not done that well? Sure, many will say woulda, coulda, shoulda, but TK (“the kid”) is coming along nicely, he has not been beaten to hell, he has not thrown too many ints and he is learning when to throw the ball away. He is developing chemistry with Inman and Shaheen (btw, notice how good Shaheen is blocking?) while being given a chance to win games in the fourth quarter.

    TK’s getting valuable experience and da Bears are in close games (mostly).

    That is what it takes to get to the next level.

    Question? Do we get a compensatory for AJ?

    • Larry Mayer, is that you?

      • leftcoastdave

        No, Oscar.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Look at Kizer. Beathard. Peterman. Mahomes. Even vets like Tyler, Prescott … whoever – the kid is doing fine. He’ll be fine.

  • Dis Guy Trublinsky
    • CanadaBear

      Whoa. They really are fucked. No sympathy for the cheating bastard.

  • BerwynBomber

    No surprise but Lach is one of the twenty-seven SFist for HoF induction in his first year of eligibility.

    My guess is he will have to wait a year or two but still pretty cool.

    • EnderWiggin

      Hasn’t the Hall inducted two people from the same position before? If they have, then surely this will also be an exception. I get sad when I think of Urlacher having to wait a year.

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