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Across The Middle — It’s Finally Over

| January 5th, 2017

After the worst season in terms of total losses in franchise history, the Bears should have one mission this offseason: find a quarterback.

Two weeks ago, I cited John Fox’s record without Peyton Manning as a reason to fire him. Here’s the counter argument: Fox won almost 80 percent of games when he did have a franchise quarterback. I don’t know how much credit Fox deserves for his time with Manning (a former Broncos player once told me Manning ran the whole show), but I do know that a great quarterback changes everything.

Guys like Jack Del Rio and Mike Mularkey have job security solely because their teams have good, young quarterbacks. The Cowboys went from 4-12 to 13-3 largely because they upgraded from the likes of Brandon Weeden and Matt Cassel to Dak Prescott. Mike McCarthy was getting fired two months ago but he’s now preparing for a playoff game because Aaron Rodgers put his team on his back.

It takes more than a great quarterback. The Colts continue to prove that. But the Bears have a good system in place and the kind of supporting cast that would be favorable for any quarterback to step into.

The good news for the Bears is that this is a good offseason to find a quarterback. There are at least five guys in the draft that I like better than either Jared Goff or Carson Wentz (though none better than Mariota). There are a handful of veterans who will be available and a few more who could be.

We have an entire offseason to discuss and debate the options. Right now, my guess is the Bears are going to sign Tony Romo as a free agent then spend one of their first two picks on his eventual replacement. They’ll have a ton of plans with various options.

As fans, we just have to hope Pace guesses right.

The Great Coordinator Debate

Through Twitter, I (with Jeff’s help) managed to start a debate on Chicago’s best (and only good) radio show Waddle and Silvy regarding the Bears coordinators and I stand by what I said:

The conventional thought has been that Vic Fangio is a genius and Dowell Loggains will be looking for work shortly (the Bears had yet to announce the fate of either as of this writing), but the numbers simply don’t back that up.

The Bears finished this season 16th in offensive DVOA – which combines yardage, scoring and turnover statistics – while they were 22nd defensively. Both units were 15th in yardage, the offense was 28th in scoring and 30th in turnovers, while the defense was 24th and 32nd, tying a league record for fewest takeaways in a season (seriously).

You could say the performances of the two units were equally bad, but given the guys they had to work with, I think it’s fair to say Loggains performed better.

A Future No. 1?

Two years after trading Brandon Marshall, the Bears more than replaced his productivity with Cameron Meredith. Who woulda thunk it?

Meredith finished the season with 66 catches, 888 yards and four touchdowns (compared to Marshall’s 59-788-3). But his numbers are more impressive when you consider he missed the first four games. If you take all of the games in which Meredith played at least half of the team’s offensive snaps and averaged them out over a 16-game season, they add to 80-1,115-6. But, now consider there were three games in which Jay Cutler essentially ignored him (eight total targets), re-crunch the numbers and you come up with 96-1,268-6. And that includes the infamous Brian Hoyer/Matt Barkley game against the Packers.

I know that’s not really how it works, but I think it’s safe to say fans haven’t fully appreciated what Meredith has done. The kicker is: he’s a physical freak. Meredith’s pre-draft measurements are superior to Alshon Jeffery’s across the board and his Sparq score (used by NFL teams to determine overall athleticism) was about the same as Kevin White’s.

So, I ask: Why can’t he be a No. 1?

Charting The Bears

• Week 17 was, by far, the most boring game to chart. The most notable thing I came away with was the combined eight broken tackles by Jordan Howard and Jeremy Langford.

• The Bears offensive line held up well once again. Charles Leno allowed three hurries, but, for the most part, they kept the Vikings pass rush in check until late in the game.

Bring On The…Oh Crap..The Draft, I Guess?

What the hell, now is as good of a time as any for a completely uneducated, way too early mock draft.

1. Cleveland Browns: Myles Garrett

2. San Francisco 49ers: DeShone Kizer

3. Chicago Bears: Mitch Trubisky

4. Jacksonville Jaguars: Malik Hooker

5. Tennessee Titans: Jonathan Allen

6. New York Jets: DeShaun Watson

7. San Diego Chargers: Mike Williams

8. Carolina Panthers: Derek Barneett

9. Cincinnati Bengals: Jamal Adams

10. Buffalo Bills: Corey Davis

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  • willbest

    REPOST from last thread:

    If we score Berry, I don’t see us drafting a safety at #3. In fact, I don’t know if Pace can avoid tipping his hand this year in FA. If Cutler is still on the roster at draft time, and he has bought Berry then he is drafting Allen. If Cutler is gone and he didn’t go get Cousins, its going to be a QB.

    In fact, Cleveland might be selling “sky high” on Garrett in order to get the Bears to jump the 9ers or get the 9ers to trade up so the Bears don’t jump them in order to get a QB.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      no real reason to cut Cutler early. only reason Cutty is gone before draft is if someone traded for him.

    • Bender McLugh

      Berry Hooker has a nice ring to it.

      • MB30SD

        Exactly!

        How about… will berry hooker

  • willbest

    MB are you okay? I don’t know if you can survive reading this column.

    • SC Dave (I want new coords!)

      Let him finish.

    • MB30SD

      Meh, Andrew’s rarely right.

      Look, if we pick trubinsky it will be paces own funeral and around and around we go.

      Every season I give fewer and fewer ducks about what has sadly become a joke of a franchise.

      • willbest

        It wasn’t just the Trubisky. It was the Trubisky riding pine in 2017 while Romo is QB1.

        • MB30SD

          Didn’t even read the whole thing… Rubbish.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Pace has to draft his QB this year. Please explain how I’m wrong.

        • willbest

          I don’t have time to write a novel.

        • MB30SD

          Because all he needs to do is improve on 3-13 yo.

          I’d say that 7 wins is his floor. That’s all he needs, and he can def do that by making our D and specials good and riding Howard and Capt. Check down to 20ish TDs and 5ish TOs.

          There’s his formula for next year, easy.

          Then he goes all out to get our franchise in a MUCH stronger (by all accounts) QB draft class in 18.

          Boom, D and specials fixed this year, franchise QB next and off he goes.

          Seems pretty logical to me.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Get ready for Paces 1st wave.

            “NEW BEARS GENERAL MANAGER RYAN PACE IS ON THE RECORD AS SAYING HE BELIEVES THE WAY YOU ATTACK THE QUARTERBACK POSITION IS IN WAVES, DRAFTING THEM AND SIGNING AS MANY FREE AGENTS AS YOU HAVE TO UNTIL YOU STRIKE GOLD”

            This year, Pace attacked the QB position for the first time via free agency. Get ready for him to do it in the draft this spring.

          • MB30SD

            Or Glennon this year, strong draft class next.

            Let’s hope he does the right thing, not the formulaic one

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            No way the Bears will be able to find a better QB next year at let’s say the #14 spot vs the #3 spot this year. What if the Bears end up in the 17th, to 19th spot? It’s the reason they haven’t adressed the position in recent years because those spots are no man’s land.

          • MB30SD

            Mortgage… The… Farm.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            What is with the Glennon love on the da blog? Don’t get it. He hasn’t thrown a meaningful pass since 2013, and looks like a penis with arms and legs. No thanks.

          • MB30SD

            I’m not a fan, but he’s the name that’s been thrown around.

            Personally, I think we should just roll with what we have and fix the rest of the gaps this year, then sell out to get our franchise QB in next years draft (by all reports a MUCH stronger one for QBs).

            That would be my plan if I’m Pace. Fix the D (especially the dbackfield) in a big way, patch the O with a couple Olinemen, a good TE or two, and figure out the WR unit (whatever that means), and make sure our specials are solid to good.

      • BerwynBomber

        I forever became suspicious of him when he “charted” the PHI game and concluded that Cutler played wonderfully.
        That said, like all of us, he is a selective read and therefore right at times.
        I kinda buy the Trubinsky (or Kizer) draft prediction but not the Romo stuff.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Manning just has OCD. Trubisky is nothing like Peyton Manning. He’s a big physical guy who can scoot, and isn’t afraid of scooting. He’s got a better arm than Manning,a nd he can throw accurately downfield on the run. Where he’s probably _ I don’t know _ not as good as Manning is in the old processor. But I’d rther have a QB who can move around, than a pocket passer. That’s Trubisly or Kizer or nobody. Watson will run a lot and get confused and have a hard time in the NFL methinks.

        Allen is a 3-4 DE at 6’3? I don’t know if I like that. Garret will probably be gone, probably by Cleveland (if they’re smart, ha!). Have to watch this Hooper tape though.

        • MB30SD

          You understand that Manning is a first ballot HOFer… Like they’re just sending him the invite no voting bullshit necessary. And this…

          2× Super Bowl champion (XLI, 50)
          Super Bowl MVP (XLI)
          14× Pro Bowl (1999, 2000, 2002–2010, 2012–2014)
          7× First-team All-Pro (2003–2005, 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013)
          3× Second-team All-Pro (1999, 2000, 2006)
          5× NFL MVP (2003, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2013)
          3× Bert Bell Award (2003, 2004, 2013)
          2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2004, 2013)
          Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2013)
          NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2012)
          4× NFL passing touchdowns leader (2000, 2004, 2006, 2013)
          3× NFL passing yards leader (2000, 2003, 2013)
          NFL 2000s All-Decade Team

          And trubinsky is… Some college QB in an consensus very weak QB draft class.

          So yeah, trubinskys probably got the edge.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            this isn’t even PSH love, this is a new unknown level

          • MB30SD

            brutal

  • Huge Bears Penis

    This was not the worst season in terms of total losses in franchise history as AD has stated. 1969 Bears only won 1 game.

    • willbest

      It was the worst season in the 16-game era. Which seems fairly arbitration because 1/14 is still worse than 3/16

      • SC Dave (I want new coords!)

        By about .117

    • SC Dave (I want new coords!)

      It is tied for the most losses, but a long ways from the lowest winning %

      • Huge Bears Penis

        I stand corrected. Misread the statement, and i focused on lowest winning %. My bad.

        • SC Dave (I want new coords!)

          Well, in a way, you were right. I imagine that hapless 1969 team would have lost 15 had they the opportunity.

          • Big Mike

            And of course the beat the Steelers, who also finished 1-15, won the coin toss and took Bradshaw…

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    I’ve got some difficult news for some of you guys.

    A GM without a QB is an ex GM.

    Does that mean the Bears have to use the #3 pick on a QB? No, not neccessarily but I think it’s highly likely Pace does exactly that. Next season will be year 3 of Pace’s tenure and he ain’t going down without drafting a QB in my opinion. I’m thinking there’s a 70% chance he’s going QB. Come to think about it Trubinsky has kind of a Grabowski ring to it. If Pace nails the pick, he set for life. If he plays it safe and never finds his QB, game over.

    • willbest

      Emery got fired because he hired Trestman and it turned into a Days of Our Lives embarrassment. He would still be here if he picked Arians. Pace was given Fox, he is going to get his full 5 years as a GM as a result. He will get his next coach.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Just my gut feeling. I still think the Bears could trade down and get the QB they are interested in drafting.

  • SC Dave (I want new coords!)

    On charting the Bears, Andrew, Jordan Howard got seven 100 yard games in the 12 in which he had a legitimate chance.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m paddling the Leslie Frazier boat, Dave … there’s burgers and room for one more …

      • SC Dave

        Frazier was 21-32 for the Vikings. No thanks.

        The irrational love for ex-85ers as coaches makes me chuckle.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Gotta love cbssports. According to this piece, Kaaya may ride pine behind Barkley for a year. Oh brudda.

    http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/chicago-bears-biggest-draft-needs-in-2017/

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    I just watched some coverage of the Rousey / Nunes fight. Never having seen them before, you dudes are smoking crack if you can’t see they once used to be or are in fact dudes. Scary looking things they are.

  • EnderWiggin

    I’d pass on Romo. 3 back surgeries in three more than which I am comfortable.

    • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

      Romo would pass on you.

      Seriously children, Tony Romo would never come to Chicago no matter how much coin. Never.

      • willbest

        you see him in Denver? That is about the only place I see capable of competing now except for not having a QB.

        • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

          He’s going to stay in Dallas and then move to the front office, because he is Jerry’s BOOOOOYEEEE.

          • willbest

            Jerry isn’t going to pay him $18 million to ride pine.

          • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

            He’ll restructure. He will.

          • MB30SD

            Agree

          • Bender McLugh

            even with Golf beckoning?

          • MB30SD

            That back and golf… Good luck with that

          • Bender McLugh

            Tiger proved it doesn’t matter…..as long as the tang is flowin your way

          • MB30SD

            I know nothing about golf, but I know he didn’t sustain his back injuries by getting crushed by a 300 lb animal looking to literally kill you… Thrice!

          • Johnnywad

            Well sure. That’s his reward for all those playoff wins he brought Jerry.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        Romo spent too much time at Brokeback Mountain. I would rather run with Hoyer Da Destroyer than Romo Da Homo.

  • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

    Last thread I said Pace would draft Trubinsky and here we have Andrew saying the same thing.

    Now I feel bad, because Andrew is wrong about everything.

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    • Irish Sweetness

      Either draft one of ’em or just go hog wild on defense. Cutty + vet signing like Glennon. Done.

      • SC Dave

        I’d rather go defense.

  • BerwynBomber

    Romo, to his credit, has been tough as nails. In 2011, he broke a rib and punctured a lung and did not miss a game. That’s Farve-like warrior shit there.

    But at this point he’s fractured glass (and old). The guy has broken his back three times, has a ruptured disc, and has broken his left collarbone twice. He makes Cutty look like the picture of health.

    Hence, Bears should respectfully pass. (And Romo should think about his long-term health and retire.)

    • MB30SD

      Jea

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      We already several candidates matching that profile on the roster.

  • MB30SD

    This… Is funny as shit: https://youtu.be/_y4DbZivHCY

    • SC Dave (I want new coords!)

      “…. or any orifice related needs you might have.”
      ” … has a fish in its butt. Win win”.

      Where do you find this shit?

      • MB30SD

        The innerness.

        Actually found these while looking for science related vids to show the kids… Luckily I didn’t actually play one of these for them… I was just researching.

        Ze Frank is funny, he’s been around a long time.

        You should also check out honest movie trailers, those are funny too.

        • SC Dave

          Will do.

  • BerwynBomber

    So we fired our OL and DB coaches. Don’t quite get the former. But I suppose a couple of fall guys were needed to keep up appearances.

  • Alex

    Draft: – (4 rounds)

    Malik Hooker (FS), Patrick Mahomes III (QB), Garett Bolles (OT), Carroll Phillips (OLB), Gerald Everett (TE)

    FA –

    Mike Glennon (QB), Lance Dunbar (RB), Jack Doyle (TE), Tony Jefferson (SS), A J Bouye (CB)

    Re-sign: –

    Alshon Jeffrey (at the right price) or sign Kenny Stills in free agency OR BOTH!

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s all great. I like that. But where’s Cutty?

      If we have Cutty AND Glennon, that’s a roster. That’s two guys. #1 goes down, you’ve still got a shot at the playoffs. We can run the ball. That will be better with a better healthy line. They’ll draft, they’ll sign …

      What I liked from the presser was Pace talking about how the coaching of the senior bowl was a great opportunity to scout for guys and get a really good look at players and see who they really were. I can feel a pretty good raft coming up.

      I don’t know why we spend the pick on a guy like Mahomes though, when he’s probably never going to be the guy. If you bail on Cutty, then who’s your guy ? Mike Glennon? As a #1 while you hope Mahomes (insert bubble QB) works out. Nah.

      If you want to draft a QB there’s probably only Kizer or Trubisky you could conceive of as an NFL starter, and if you’re not drafting one of them then don’t bother drafting a QB. Have two guys that can play. Now.

      So where’s Cutty?

      • Alex

        Cutty is gone. I’ve been a fan of Cutty but for me it’s time to move on. I don’t particularly rate the ‘so called’ 1st round QBs in the 1st round in the upcoming draft and certainly not over Mahomes II who has huge potential. None of these guys are Luck or even Mariota and will struggle to start immediately. Mahomes II gets a year behind Glennon who I rate reasonably highly and who I would like to see more of next season. I like this combo but everyone has their opinion. You could say perhaps they should work behind Cutler but I’d like to see what Glennon can do behind an upgraded OL, a decent RB and some reasonable WRs. He had very little of any of these in Tampa.

        • Alex

          Mahomes II has the potential to be the best QB in the draft in my opinion. His deep ball is fantastic hence the potential addition of Stills and possibly keeping Jeffrey as well.

          • MB30SD

            You get berry Alex, you just do.

          • Alex

            And that would be great but the simple facts are these. Firstly he’s most likely going to stay with the Chiefs with the only chance of him not staying there being if they choose Dontari Poe over him which they might. Even then they may be able to afford both once they’ve let Foles and Jamaal Charles go. Secondly whilst we have a lot of cap space so do a lot of other teams and the Bears aren’t a great sell right now coming off a 3-13 season. I’m hedging my bets.

          • MB30SD

            Fair enough.

            When you’re ready, I have plenty of Eric berry flavored koolaid for both of us

          • Alex

            I’d love for Berry to come to the Bears. Then we hopefully can trade to the late end of the top 10 and pick up someone like Derek Barnett or Jamal Adams and a couple of extra picks in the 2nd and 4th rounds. Works for me. I’m just trying to be realistic (ish…..).

          • MB30SD

            agree. That would work for me too… although I do worry about his condition. I hope that he’s never sick again no matter who he plays for.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            Doesn’t he have sickle cell or something?

          • MB30SD

            lymphoma… in remission.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      Did Mike Glennon once appear on the blog, and then blow a few of you fellas? Penis with arms and legs.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Okay, I’m going to sit through my man Voch Lombardi’s breakdown Vid on Malik Hooper.

    This had better be worth 22 minutes of my life.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkniV3j7y54

    • Irish Sweetness

      We could trade down and get Malik at 7, 8, 9 … .? If you draft him you make your defense better on day one. I don’t see that Allen is a DE for us at 6’3. Not unless you think he’s a pro-bowler.
      Do we need a QB in the first when we already have Cutty? Trubkisky looks a bit like a younger Rothlisberger. Does Kizer look like Mike Vick or Russell Wilson? IF not, why draft him.

      Hooper is lock to be a long time starter. McDowell will probably do better at 6’6 outside.

      But I’m feeling the trade-down because Kizer or Trubiksy will be there for us. Let some other team babysit them while we go grab our ten year starter.

    • SC Dave

      Very unconvincing. The entire time this dude slobbers all over Hooper’s knob, while the film on the field shows a glaring lack of good plays. Ball hawk? Not from that film.

      One tackle at 2:54
      Sorta beats a block at 4:03, but only because the receiver was bobbling the ball and ran to the wrong side of the blocker.

      Burned badly at 4:58
      Beaten at 5:17
      Burned badly at 5:45
      No one home at 8:39
      Doing nothing at 10:40
      Plays matador at 12:00
      Good tackle at 12:30
      [yawn…]

      “All the highlight films are like 1:30 long, and 45 seconds is the intro. I wonder why.” Maybe because he does not make many plays?

      This Von dude sucks. “The combine is going to give you a great idea of how these players are.” Gawd.

      “It would take me too much editing to show you, ao I’ll just talk you through it (slobber, slobber, with no film showing anything).”

      Definitely NOT worth 22 minutes. Not even worth 3.

  • SC Dave

    It was fun being King for a day, but you *knew* I could not keep that avi.

    • Bender McLugh

      from all of us, thank you

  • Big Mike

    Also, because of our shittiness, we are once again eligible for “Hard Knocks”. SMH..

  • MB30SD

    Where’s or Irish-style haggis crow irish!?

  • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

    George MCCaskey interview on the Score this morning sucked

    • CanadaBear

      Keep in mind George fired everyone just 2 years ago. There’s no doubt in my mind if the roster improves substantially and the record doesn’t, Fox and his staff will be given the keys to the street after next season.

      • willbest

        If your George, you know you hired Fox, and while Pace’s first draft with Emery’s research plus whatever he was able to remember from Lumis didn’t work out so well, you have to be very happy with his 2016 draft. Also, his ability to find UDFAs. You are probably a little concerned about why his high profile FA’s get themselves injured, but 2 years is a coincidence.

        Anyway the point is you have no reason to move on just yet but you are stuck defending a crappy season. And remember he is 3rd generation wealthy so he has no concept of poor as a motivational factor, and the regression to the mean in whatever abilities Halas was blessed with has hit him pretty hard.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      I’m pretty sure that guy is into some real weird shit that no one knows about. He has that super odd look in his eyes, like he probably dresses up as a french maid and has some leather clad dominatrix tap dance on his ball sack a few days a week.

      • Johnnywad

        I’m not convinced that qualifies as weird anymore.

  • I’m going to disagree some with your Meredith take, Andrew.

    He wasn’t just ignored by Cutler. He struggled after the JAX game until Alshon came back from suspension.

    Didn’t really do anything first several games (total of 6 catches for 52 yards prior to JAX game, mainly because Kevin White was being force-fed the ball).

    Blew up shitty reserve CBs against JAX and IND. Two back-to-back 100 yard games put other teams on notice, and then what happened?

    He hard-core sucked until Alshon’s suspension ended. For the next 7 games, he caught 18 of 31 passes for 293 yards. 3 of those games were with Cutler, where he got 8 targets (2.7 per game), and he got 23 targets in the other 4 (5.8 per game).

    So Cutler used him less, but now let’s look at efficiency. He caught 6/8 targets from Cutler for 123 yards, and 12 of 23 for 170 yards from other QBs. That’s not a Cutler issue.

    Once Alshon was back, he tore it up in the last 3 games. Because he was able to beat CB2s while defenses were focused on stopping Alshon (this included games with Cutler, Hoyer, and Barkley).

    It’s possible Meredith might develop into something more than a solid WR2, but let’s not act like Cutler was the thing holding him back this year. He went through a huge slump in the middle of the season as teams adjusted to him and started focusing on him a bit more. Only really broke out of it when he was no longer the focus.

    • SC Dave

      Let’s hope Irish does not read those facts.

      • You could paint it differently and say it was Meredith adjusting. His best game sans-Jeffery came the game right before Jeffery was back, when he caught 6 of 8 for 72 yards and 1 TD.

        So maybe he just needed time to figure it out. Either way, that’s not on Cutler and I’m not even close to confident with him as the #1 going into next year.

        They need some experience alongside Meredith and White. Either they re-sign Jeffery or they have to get a veteran like Kendall Wright or Brian Quick. Not a stud, but somebody who is somewhat proven and reliable.

        And then I think they need one more guy too, to round out their top 4, but that could potentially be a rookie.

        • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

          What do you say if Brian Quick loses a step?

        • Bender McLugh

          re: Quick, it’s a different offense when you have that Royal/Quick route runner. Would love to see him or someone similar signed.

    • Big Mike

      See, that’s the thing about WRs and DBs. (Toss in TEs) 1 guy makes the entire position group a LOT better. Matchups matter greatly. One of the things I liked about Marques Wilson. When he was our defacto #1 WR last year, he stepped into the role and didn’t get smaller. I don’t know if we have him or not next year, but let’s not forget about him. Love what Meredith has done, physically he’s got all the tools, he’s still learning how to be a WR. What a GREAT find. Let’s not ruin him by trying to make him a #1. Sign Alshon.

      • willbest

        Wilson is a FA, and will probably be a league min FA at that. He is always hurt.

        • Big Mike

          He’s a guy I’d resign at league minimum. No question

  • burntorangenavyblue

    If you have to ask, “Huh? Who?” for anyone in the 1st and 2nd rounds when it comes to drafting a QB, then no thanks. Most teams get revitalized from drafting that QB who you know will someday shift that momentum on the teams offense.

    I follow college football pretty closely, and no one is really talking about any QB making a huge presence if they are drafted. Watson MIGHT be making a case. However, with Cleveland up at top, there is no use to looking up and selling the farm for their pick.

    There are DAY ONE starters that the Bears can draft and not have to sacrifice much for it because either Cutty stays (not very ideal, but seviceable) or we can sign a vet. The Bears for their life cannot ever figure out how to groom any QBs, so what the hell will drafting anyone do for us?

    The vision of the offense has never solidified under this current coaching staff and hasn’t in years before that. This vision should have been executed the moment Fox and Pace came in. However, they stuck with Cutty, so it is not ideal to scrap him RIGHT NOW, especially since they are picked up pieces to build around him. There are no college QBs draftable that will take the Bears offensive mantle.

    It’s definitely more imperative to get the key impact players on D. The vision on D is a little more clearer, so let’s build on that, and wait until 2018 to REALLY put the vision for Offense in motion.

    • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

      College scouts say this draft is deep for:

      TE and Safety

      next year some top QB prospects hit the draft. This year is thin.

      It will come down to how the Bears regard DeShone Kizer.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        God my heart broke to see Jake Butts get hurt…I would have loved to see him drafted by the Bears but I can’t let my fandom for Michigan get in the way.

        Peppers is now a mystery to me and I am hesitant about what he will bring to the table for anyone.

        • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

          Two possibilities:

          A. He really hurt his hammy, calling into question his health and long term sustainability and perhaps his conditioning regimen.

          B. He faked his hammy, calling into question his judgment and how his agent might handle him once he turns pro.

          Neither is favorable to him.

        • Big Mike

          Peppers, nah.. great athlete. Not a great safety. The kid from Ohio State, Hooker.. he’s the safety we want.

      • Big Mike

        Also Pass Rushing has top, top talent.

        • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

          I subscribe to the big body theory of drafting.

          There are really only a few guys that can legit handle being 3 bills on D and still move. Genetics just does not bring that guy around. Guys like Chris Long that bulk to 275 get hurt, because they are naturally 225 guys.

          But there a few guys that are natural 275 280 guys that can handle being 290 and still move their feet.

          Jonathan Allen is one of those guys.

          • Big Mike

            I understand that at a personal level, as well as a fan. I’m a big guy. (BigMike) My trim/cut weight was 235. I bulked up to a solid 250. But to compete I to play at 275. I was sore, hurt, uncomfortable all the time.

            If Allen is there, he has to be taken.

          • Bender McLugh

            Hooker & Allen both available. Taking Allen there? I don’t know man, honestly I’d rather have Hooker (NTTAWWT)

          • Big Mike

            I only learned about this Hooker kid. I’m told Hooker’s are sure things. What I’ve read is he’s a stud, but he’s not even legal drinking age.. Is he ready? I don’t know. Jonathan Allen is a grown ass man.

    • Big Mike

      This article which is an analyis of Chris Boden, CSN Chicago’s interview with Pace agrees with

      your take. Pace believes he can find the next Dak Prescott and that you take the best of the best the draft has to offer at 3. IMPACT is the key word. Translated 10 year, multiple pro-bowl type of guy. The fact that this draft is projected to have IMPACT talent at safety and pass rusher might be a good insight.

      http://sportsmockery.com/2017/01/ryan-pace-drops-huge-hint-bears-draft-strategy/

      • burntorangenavyblue

        I have mentioned in a previous thread that, yes, an elite pass rusher would set the tone how the offense runs their play and you hope that pressure creates an error which the defensive backs can capitalize on, but….

        We need a COMPETENT SAFETY..

        We will always get depantsed and taken to the shed on that ONE PLAY by Rodgers and Nelson…

        Puke

        I think I want a Safety for the first pick. There, I said it!

        • Big Mike

          The article and analysis says you take the best of the best. The good news for us is that the “Best” in this draft are pass rushers and safety.

          The GB problem is that the Bears can’t cover TEs. Minnesota’s Tight end had a career/HOF day. That’s on the safety and the LBs. It’s as much recognition as it is ability. Our safeties lack recognition. Amos was never projected to be a GREAT cover guy. I think Amos can be a good strong safety if we have an excellent FS.

          • Bender McLugh

            LB play will alleviate the TE issues, just need more than Freeman. Can’t even relly on Trevathan cause he’s starting out next year on IR.

            Draft Hooker with #3, find some LB’s to complement Freeman in FA or the draft. I’ve no clue if there are any to target in the 2nd round though.

          • Big Mike

            Got to trust Pace on this. The good news is the odds are very high that at least one of them will be there. Depending on how the first two picks break, Bears might have a shot at extorting somebody still in the top 10, or even only a few picks back. What then.. oh the intrigue.

  • CanadaBear

    Gotta bite the bullet sometime. If Pace’s guy is there at 3 take him. Whoever that is. The last time they spent any draft capital on a QB was Orton 12 years ago. Unless the Bears get worse and become Cleveland, they won’t be up this high in the draft for a while. I don’t care who they draft as long as they don’t suck.

    • Drafting a QB in round 4 is hardly draft capital. The majority of starting QBs come from rounds 1 or 2. Anything after that you’re mainly looking for a backup.

    • BerwynBomber

      Even Orton was a bit of a prayer. He was a fourth round guy. Grossman is truly the last QB they spent major draft capital on.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Didn’t he have a small penis?

        • MB30SD

          both?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Did you momma tell you the story about men with big feet and big hands as well?

      • CanadaBear

        That’s why I said any draft capital. I included Orton because he actually became a starting NFL QB. Totally agree Rex was the last QB the Bears spent major draft capital.

    • Big Mike

      Betting the QB’s not there. I just posted this above. It’s Sports Mockery’s analysis (click bait, I know, but sometimes very good analysis) of an interview done by Chris Boden of CSN Chicago. The take is Pace is going to find the next Dak Prescott. The rationale is that a top 5 player needs to be an IMPACT player and to get that you take the best of the best in the draft.. in other words this years’ draft doesn’t have a QB that merits a top 5 pick. But is loaded with talent at pass rusher and safety.
      http://sportsmockery.com/2017/01/ryan-pace-drops-huge-hint-bears-draft-strategy/

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      It’s never cut and dry for the Bears is it?

      • CanadaBear

        Other than the ’65 draft, totally agree.

  • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

    Jeffery is so tricky right now. But I really feel like his value is best in Chicago and that the Bears hierarchy likes him.

    I think the issue is: He Hates Chicago.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Either I have Chicago blinders on and everyone hates Chicago one way or another, or many players throughout the league are getting ridiculous and hate their own teams….just because either it’s a cultural thing (prima donnas and even their agents) or the league itself (owners, commish, etc) is really wearing thin on players.

      But god I wouldn’t mind getting 1/4 of the pay to get sweaty men to dogpile me, NTTAWWT

      • Big Mike

        1) Alshon is a near elite wide receiver.

        2) Those guys usually have to be managed
        3) We aren’t very good at throwing the ball
        4) They played a game when the wind chill was – 5
        5) We want to run the ball more
        6) We don’t know who our QB will be
        7) We tagged him and could tag his ass again, so he has no control
        8) We won’t be competing for the SB (3 fn wins)
        9) He was bonding with a Brandon Marshall and we axed him.

        Start turning this thing around (8 wins) and all of this goes away.

      • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

        Ever watch that HBO show about the NFL? Maybe ten years ago. It was a fictional league but clearly it was supposed to be the NFL, and it showed how ugly it was? Goodell actually asked HBO to shitcan the show.

        These players, they think shit. Alshon likes warm weather and wants to play in Miami. And he’s supposedly communicated this to his inner circle. Guys on the Score again and again say things like “we know Alshon hates it here”.

        I don’t think they care they are being pre-Madonnas.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          I guess it’s preferrable to being a post-madonna. Is there such a thing?

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, we use the #3 pick in what is considered a “QB poor” draft to take the SECOND QB off the board?

    No, thank you.

    • Big Mike

      Here is some great insight and analysis on Pace’s perspective. Sports Mocker sometimes is just a

      click bait type of site, but the guy there does his homework on some of his posts. This one is good. Bottom line, QB not likely in first round, but Pace trusts his skills in uncovering the next Dak Prescott. It’s an encouraging read.

      http://sportsmockery.com/2017/01/ryan-pace-drops-huge-hint-bears-draft-strategy/

      • Tortured Bear fan

        and that´s why couching in senior bowl is extremely important.

        • Big Mike

          I thought that was huge.  I brought it up previously and it was sort of blown off.

          • SC Dave

            It cannot hurt. Pace seemed pretty excited by it. Problem is, you don’t get any extra picks because of it.

          • Big Mike

            Man, evaluating players in actual practices is so huge. The value grows tremendously each round of the draft. Watching guys take reps, first hand. The sound, how they take their stances, the communication with teammates cannot be replicated. I don’t know if the other teams have access to the practices, or film of the practices. But being on the field provides insights you can’t get elsewhere. Worst case, it will validate, or deny what they were thinking about players on their board. My opinion is the odds of finding a sleeper go up significantly. No promises, but better odds.

          • CanadaBear

            Pretty sure that was MB being MB.

          • willbest

            I thought the fact that they made the worst teams coach it was to give them a leg up on talent evaluation. I never thought it was a punishment.

          • Big Mike

            Exactly. I believe it is.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      According to Jeff, he doesn’t think it makes a shit difference who a team uses their 1st draft pick on.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        That’s insane….

        If the draft started off as going in a backwards order….could you trust the teams to pick accordingly and leave the best ones on the board until the last rounds?

        DON’T THINK SO!

    • MB30SD

      exactly. Pace does that and he’s putting his gig in jeopardy more than it he DOESN’T go QB.

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    • SC Dave

      Agreed. The whole thing feels wrong. Need a defensive *monster*, preferentially a pass rusher or safety.

  • CanadaBear

    Pace repeatedly said that they will inform Cutler and Bus Cook as soon as a decision is made. My take on Pace/Cutler is that Jay is gone unless something crazy happens.

    • Bender McLugh

      really hard to call. I want to agree but the tea leaves are just too damn fuzzy. and old. the tea leaves are old and fuzzy.

      • CanadaBear

        I just can’t see POX hitching their wagon one more time to Jay. Another bad season and they are all gone. Pick a developmental QB or trade for Garrapolo/McCarron and they give themselves at least a couple more years or more (at least in Pace’s case) to stick around.

    • willbest

      Cutler isn’t getting cut before the draft unless the Bears somehow sign Cousins. He may get traded. Maybe San Fran takes Cutler and our #3 for their #2. Of course if you see that you know the Bears are drafting a QB.

  • Sactowns#1

    Is Mitchell even going to be in this draft?

  • Huge Bears Penis

    I like how a lot of people think we should just to trade down 5-10 spots in the first round, like it will be easy. I don’t know of many trades into the top 3 picks that did not involve someone moving up for a QB, and it is supposedly a very weak QB class. Usually by now there is a good debate on who the Top 1-3 coming out of college. I don’t think I have heard of any types of debate yet. I take this as while it may be a deep class there are just not any stand out players that a lot of teams would be clamoring for. I admit I don’t follow College like some of you guys so I could be wrong especially since most of my info is from you guys and the talking heads. If this is the case why would a team give up a fortune to trade up that many spots? Mainly I think it will be hard to find a trading partner willing to trade for the 3rd pick.

    • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)

      I’ve been on DBB for a decade with Jeff.

      Every year the blog wants to trade down. From whatever spot we are in. Does not matter.

      It’s a baby/bathwater thing. We’ve sucked so much for 10 years, the guys here just want as many new faces as possible. Trade down: get more picks.

      But it’s not the Bears problem right now. The problem isn’t more guys and more shots at players like Jordan Howard. It’s that the only jersey of a 2017-18 season player you would buy in the store right now is Howard. Maybe Goldman or Whitehair, but you would hesitate before buying that jersey.We have no great players. No players that are demonstrably great and raise everyone else up with them.

      Let’s call this “The Landon Collins Effect”. We need that. Maybe Eric Berry could do that, the rote is that bringing in a great vet at the right time works. But if the player is mercenary he may not lead.

      Every book on the 85 Bears, all the new guys back then: hilgenberg, Thayer, even McMahon – they all said the same thing: you got there and you knew you could not let Walter down. He would out-work you, out-hustle you and out-practice you. So you tried to raise your game. We need that now. Who is that guy?

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        That stuff takes care of itself when the team starts to win. I think you’ve got it backwards.

      • MB30SD

        100…..%

        Eric berry and/or Hooker (in a year or two)

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Lost Era GP. I don’t think the NFL even thinks like that anymore.

      • CanadaBear

        100% about trading down. The best part about all the trade down scenarios is the Bears always get everyone they want with no downside. Hmmmm.

        Not to quibble but a Long jersey probably still sells.

        McPhee was that guy for the D until he got hurt in 2015. With the bum wheel he still brings the energy and spirit but it just ain’t the same when that guy is reduced to JAG on the field.

      • willbest

        We aren’t trading #3 before draft day. There are too many variables with 2 picks in front. A GM would legitimately have to look at the draft and see 3 guys he believes are future HOFers and a barren wasteland behind. Otherwise he is just wasting picks.

        There are only 2 scenario’s I envision where we would even be able to trade and that they are

        2 QB’s go leaving us able to sell the best defender. Except that this pick would only matter to the #4-5 teams (jags, titans), because otherwise the pick gets too expensive and people don’t pay huge for non-QBs.

        No QB’s go leaving us in a position to sell the best QB. This would only matter to the Jets and maybe the Jags and Browns. But I don’t see Pace selling this, because I get the hunch they want a QB.

  • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)
    • Bender McLugh

      need to see em without makeup

      • Johnnywad

        Why? You plan to grow old with one of them?

        • willbest
          • Johnnywad

            I’m well aware of the power of makeup. But who gives a shit if you’re just looking? Or just banging and discarding? What’s it matter?

          • willbest

            You don’t want to wake up next to Quasimodo.

          • MB30SD

            thats the point… you don’t.

          • Johnnywad

            Who’s staying the night these days? Thought you hauled that shit out with Uber when the work was done.

        • Bender McLugh

          yes. don’t judge Judy

          • Johnnywad

            Hahahaha!

            “She completes me.”

    • willbest

      The one he is holding is 14. I like the one one the right.

  • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)
    • Bender McLugh

      LEGIT.

    • Big Mike

      wow.

  • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)
    • SC Dave

      Breaking news! Dude from Wyoming campus newspaper is plugging his QB!

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Hell to the no. If he ain’t starting, then not worth the 1st pick. Like I mentioned earlier, the Bears SUCK at developing QBs. What will he learn under Cutty and Barkley if there’s nothing but drama and strife?

      And that would leave another “Oh god! What if the Bears would have just drafted that one dude who is already starting on another team and is a potential ROY candidate?!?Doh!”

    • 505Bears

      Hell no. My UNM Lobos beat him, and that’s saying something…NO

    • willbest

      Are we drafting him in round 3? I am okay drafting him in round 3.

      • MB30SD

        crazy fucking people talking about drafting him 3… OVERFUCKINGALL!!!!!

  • Theodore Phillips Anus (GP)
    • Bender McLugh

      props to him, makes all the sense to give the staffing decisions to the new DC

    • AlbertInTucson

      D.C. media had been calling for Joe Barry’s head since mid-season.

      He was the Redskin version of Mel Tucker.

      • “Let’s hire the guy the Jaguars let go,” said Tresticles. “What could possibly go wrong,” said Tresticles.

      • CanadaBear

        Is he the one that went thru the Wendys drive through buck naked?

  • 505Bears

    NO to the damn QB….Allen is the pick!!

    • Big Mike

      He gone… then what. We’ll still be bitching and moaning about QB play. Not saying we take one. But if not now, when?

      • MB30SD

        Allen or Hooker. That’s it.

        Anything else will be silly. My take.

        • Big Mike

          I’ve said this before, I don’t know much about Hooker. His age scares me. The few clips I’ve seen, he’s making plays on the ball that none, of our safeties would ever make. Can’t even say well that’s college, because a ball in the air, is a ball in the air. Hooker breaks, sets his angle and gets there.

          • MB30SD

            he played for a real school and a real coach too. Not sure what in thee fuck happened to them last week, but from every single thing I’ve read and seen, he LOOKS to be the real deal.

            Is he going to the sr. bowl? the combine should be good to see, but I assume he’ll do fine there… you can train specifically for those drills.

            So… if garrett then allen come off the board (I personally think kiser or trubinsky will come off before us) then you sprint up and get hooker before the clock his 5 seconds.

            If we get trubinsky I will be piiiiised. If we get some dude from fucking Wyoming I am done. I’ll prolly still come here to grabass with you idiots, but I’m done with giving any fucks about the bears.

          • Big Mike

            I’d never go that far over a draft pick. He still made plays against Clemson. He probably has to go to the Senior Bowl as young as he is. Sports Mockery did an analysis of an interview Pace gave to CSN Chicago correspondent. I posted it somewhere on this thread. But essentially Pace is saying top 5 pick has to be BEST of BEST. Not best meeting a specific need. He also seemed confident that he would be the guy to find the next Dak Prescott. So amen to that. Even though he didn’t take any options off the table, you get the sense drafting a QB in round 1 wouldn’t play out. If it Winston or Mariota.. yeah. So if Allen and Hooker end up at the top of the Bears’ board, there are only two outcomes that don’t get us one of them.

            1) both are already picked
            2) somebody unloads to take a QB

          • MB30SD

            Yep, agree Mike.

            In #1, you take the next best FS or DL.

            In #2, you take the money and run if the deal is sweet enough AND you think your guy will still be there when you pick a few spots back.

            By draft day, we’ll have a list of 5-10 real deal, best of the best, guys that will upgrade your team instantly no matter where they play.

            The only two scenarios where I think Pace can totally fuck himself and the bears is if he leaves one on the guys I just described above on the board to reach for kizer or trubinsky, when he could easily get to a MUCH improved and job-saving 7-9 or 8-8 by riding the winner of the bridge/backup QB sweepstakes, fixing the D and specials, patch some O holes this year…. then get our franchise in next year’s strong draft and take us to the show.

            The last scenario will get him canned… picking that kid from fucking Wyoming at #3 overall should mean INSTANT firing… of every single person who was involved. Period.

            My $.02

      • 505Bears

        Then trade down with someone who wants one of those guys and setup for the 10 – 15 range and a few additional picks

  • Johnnywad

    Tony Romo is 3 years older than Jay. He has better career stats that have resulted in exactly two playoff wins, or for those keeping track, one more than Jay. His spine and collar bone are made of spun glass and all of his rods and screws won’t do well in the Chicago cold of November and December.

    If Pace signs Romo, I’m cutting him off.

    • willbest

      I would rather “bridge” with Romo or Cutler than Hoyer or Sanchez, Geno Smith, Barkley, etc.

      • Bender McLugh

        SANchez? SANchezz???!

        FML

    • AlbertInTucson

      It’s a moot point.

      Romo has NO desire to be a Bear.

      • Johnnywad

        I wouldn’t think so either.

  • Sactowns#1

    I think I have the inside scoop on who the Bears will be drafting this year. The guys a stud, I mean a total physical freak. He’ll most likely have the fastest 40 and cone drills in the combine. He’s also able to bench like a beast. What position does he play? Well, he’s never actually played football before. He was discovered on a beach in Sau Paulo a few months ago, playing frisbee in the background of someone’s vacation video. The scouts loved what they saw and the Bears org is sure they can outsmart everyone else in the draft and pick this guy up before anyone else knows he exists.

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