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Across The Middle: Fox & Co. Officially on the Hot Seat

| October 11th, 2017

Forget, if you can, the clown show on first quarter fourth down in which the Bears were going for it, then they weren’t, then they did, only to have a delay of game. After another game with so many of the same mistakes, it’s hard to have confidence that John Fox is the guy to get the Bears back on track.

Fox’s teams are often ill-prepared and rarely disciplined. That has been a constant since late in the coach’s tenure with the Panthers. His teams commit back-breaking penalties and awful turnovers. Game after game. They never get it right. But even with these fatal flaws, Fox has still won a lot of games. Primarily because he is very good at building talented rosters.

What is truly disheartening is what we saw from Dowell Loggains.

I’ve praised the Bears offensive coordinator’s work with the likes of Brian Hoyer and Matt Barkley. The game he called Monday night with Trubisky was predictable and displayed a lack of understanding his opponent.

The Bears started 7 of their first 10 drives in jumbo formations and proceeded to run the ball. The Vikings were all over it as (a) none of the runs went for more than seven yards and (b) only two went for more than five. This left them in obvious passing downs for most of the game. They couldn’t win like that against a defense as good as Minnesota’s with any quarterback, much less a rookie making his debut.

I know he was going against a good defense and calling plays without good receivers isn’t easy. But we saw Pat Shurmur move the ball against the Bears defense in the second half without his quarterback, running back or best receiver. Loggains has to know how to use the weapons he has — and with guys like Jordan Howard, Tarik Cohen and Zach Miller, the cupboard isn’t nearly as bare as some make it seem.

Fox is going to be done as a coach soon. But this 12-game stretch with Trubisky is the most important of Loggains’ life. He has to find a way to at least move the ball. This was a rough start.

Falling on the Sword

Perhaps the biggest contrast between Mike Glennon and Mitch Trubisky is accountability and, by all accounts, that was huge in the locker room after the game. The rookie shouldn’t be the more mature, responsible one, but he was. He took blame for everything that went wrong, a contrast from Glennon who often cited shared blame for his mistakes.

It’s a little thing, but it’s the little things that make teams respect a leader.

That said, he absolutely, positively can not throw that interception. Rookie or not, that was as horrendous a decision as you will see. It was first down in a tie game, a turnover guarantees a loss. It can’t happen. Now, he needs to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

Witholding Judgement

It’s been popular to say the Bears need new receivers after they played one of the best defenses in the league but I want to see the guys they have in a better position to succeed. These receivers obviously aren’t good, but no team can lose their top two receivers and still put a good group out there. The question is if they’re capable and I don’t think we have an answer for that right now.

If anybody expected this ragtag group of receivers to win regularly against one of the best defenses in the league, they were expecting too much. Markus Wheaton isn’t going to win against Xavier Rhodes. Even the best receivers don’t beat him often.

That said, they will need to show the ability to make plays at some point. I liked what I saw from Tre McBride in his first extensive action. I’ll be interested to see Wheaton going forward with Trubisky and I think the Bears really need to play their best receiver — Kendall Wright — more than half the snaps.

In Wright and Wheaton, the Bears have receivers who have had success in the league. Neither should be the best receiver on a team, but they can both contribute to a good team. They just aren’t going to beat a secondary like Minnesota’s.

There’s no question that it’s a position they’ll need to attack again in the offseason, but, for now, this is what they have to work with. All-22 camera angles showed they won at times in previous games. If they can do that going forward, I think the Bears will have success.

Bring on the Ravens

If what we’ve seen early in the season holds true this week, this could be a mismatch.

The Bears have turned the ball over more than all but one team. The Ravens have taken the ball away more than all but one team. Is there any real reason to think either of those trends are going to end?

Baltimore’s defense is solid. They’re only 16th in yardage, but 10th in scoring, largely because they have nine interceptions. The Bears might be stingier in terms of yardage, but they can’t take the ball away and are 25th in points allowed.

If ever the Bears were going to intercept a pass, this would be the week. Joe Flacco has been picked on more than four percent of his passes. The questions about Flacco’s eliteness seem to be way in the past. I’m not even sure he’s a serviceable starter.

If the Bears can bottle up the Ravens rushing attack, they should be able to stop them.

But the Bears offense isn’t going to move the ball the length of the field against this defense. They need takeaways. And, just as importantly, they need to protect the ball. So far, they haven’t shown they can do either. Until they do, they just aren’t going to fare well against good teams.

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  • Irish Sweetness

    The 600 pound gorilla in the room is two 300 pound gorillas in Miller and Thompson. They catch the ball. They can’t catch the ball on the bench.

    Loggains has all the tools now to mix it up. But the stark thought is that maybe he just can’t. Maybe he’s not a smart man. It’s common. The thing about the Niners’ offense in the Eighties was that you didn’t know what was coming next. Maybe it was Rice, maybe it was Craig. Maybe it was the tight end. But loggains wants to say “we’re running this thing.” and then you run the thing and it’s against the Minnesota Vikings, and they say “no you don’t.” … and you keep trying to run it when you have a QB who is perfectly capable of delivering the pass. That makes the person responsible for getting off script and changing it up is a c*nt.

    Doesn’t the Mike get a mike? Was Timu in there with no voices in his ear? If he had a miked up helmet then Fangio can’t manage shit. He can’t do the job. We had guys in there who have done it before, they just didn’t have a mission, a command, a plan. That needs to be Fangio if you’re 5th LB is in.

    He’s a c*nt too.

    And after seeing Fox’s smiling shitty grin hobo face after he blew a 4th and go … he can go too. Both co-ordinators don’t know their jobs, and the HC doesn’t give a fuck / has lost his marbles.

    Chucky’s made the first move, let’s ask him to dance. He wants it. Fox doesn’t.

    • Big Mike

      Fangio, week in week out, puts together a game plan that either outperforms the talent on the field, or gets gassed when the offense simply gives away points and possessions. I’ll never understand your dislike for him.

      Sims and Wheaton get a pass from me. Working on timing with Trubisky. I think it will get better.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Wheaton did not get open once yesterday. some was poor play calling but mostly it was Wheaton. He runs lazy routes.

        • Bender McLugh

          thought he was brought in to be a field stretcher, not a slot guy. It’s showing so far that he might not be good for the slot.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            he hasn’t been playing the slot. and even a field stretcher needs to be able to make a cut.

          • Bender McLugh

            thought he was put in the slot. Regardless you are correct, run a damn route and don’t be lazy about it.

      • SC Dave

        Agree on Fangio, disagree on Sims and Wheaton.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          I think Sims would be okay if we had a true #1 WR, and Sims would get a more favorable matchup.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            but I agree Sims is nothing special.

        • Big Mike

          Just saying that they get a bye for week 1 with Trubisky. Still no sign of Shaheen, WTF. Still, love the excitement around the team. Defense was balling. All of a sudden though our O-line looks mediocre.

          • MIN’s front 7 might be the best in the NFL. They make a lot of OLs look bad.

          • Big Mike

            True.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Mitch will tear weaker defenses apart. It’s all good.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No doubt with so many receivers down, Fox will have to give Miller and Shaheen some two-TE-set looks. Give the old guy and the new guy a shot if Sims drops a couple more. How McBride skips Deonte on the roster I don’t get though, but they see more of these guys than we do. Wheaton hasn’t earned his #1 spot. He doesn’t look worth a 3.

          • Big Mike

            Deonte hasn’t shown much. When you have won 10 our to your 37 games, who your 5th or 6th receiver is really doesn’t matter. So you try everyone.

      • Scharfinator

        Hear hear on Fangio. We got the JV squad out at LB and still aren’t getting 40 burgers dropped on us.

        EDIT: Why isn’t he being floated for HC more?

        • Big Mike

          Irish really likes blitzing defenses. We don’t have the JV LBs out there. We have the JV backups. We were on LB 5 and 6.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Jones and Timu were always great blitzing the QB. Better than the starters maybe. That’s their wheelhouse along with playing the run. How bad is CJ’s injury?

          • Big Mike

            I don’t know if those two were great at anything. They are both decent LBs. Jones just can’t be asked to be the play caller on the field. He’s our 5th LB. We have a solid LB corp with Trevathan. Whoever goes in next to him doesn’t matter. Kwiatkowski, Jones, Timu, Anderson. Of course the dream was always Trevathan and Freeman. How many games have we actually seen that duo?

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Just an FYI, the defensive communications are limited just like the offensive. They cut out at 15 seconds. So it is not like Fangio can talk to the player up until the snap. He probably gives them 2 different plays – one for a pass and one for a run. And it is totally up to him to get everyone on the right page inside of 15 seconds.

    • That Guy

      There are two helmets with radios in them. Timu had one. Not sure who on the D had the other. My guess is that Jones probably had a green dot helmet. Or maybe it was McPhee, given that he was lining up the defense on some plays after Timu went out.

      I guaran-fucking-tee you it wasn’t Anderson who had the other green dot.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Jones had the communication. FYI you can only have one green dot player on the field at a time.

  • Scharfinator

    I like this article, but how does any of this put Fox on the hot seat?

    Was there an official statement or something from the org?

    • Cuck Cooper

      Aah but Commodus, the people are fickle.

  • Big Mike

    USMNT.. OMG.

    • Cuck Cooper

      Blame it on the GMO’s?

    • Big Mike

      And Fox television who bought the english language broadcasting rights… oops

    • SC Dave

      Hopefully, Arena is done second and for all.

  • SC Dave

    “The Bears started 7 of their first 10 drives in jumbo formations and proceeded to run the ball. The Vikings were all over it as (a) none of the runs went for more than seven yards and (b) only two went for more than five.

    Factually incorrect. Howard’s third run of the game went for 11 yards.

    • Cuck Coopee

      I’m my opinion, the Offendive coaching has been consistantly bad since Fox and Company arrived in Chicago. It’s becoming obvious the front office planned for a lame duck HC tenure. Heck they hired Gase knowing he’d be gone in a year. Maybe Fangio is being groomed for HC? I Can’t see any other plan on the horizon.

      • Cubsnlinux

        Heck no to Fangio…

      • SC Dave

        It’s been bad since 1965.

        Probably earlier – Al?

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I think he was only referring to the 1st play of the drives that started in jumbo formations. So of the 7 plays that started drives in the jumbo formations did not get more than 7 yards.

      • willbest

        He is but then he is still being dishonest. 7 of the first 10? Oh shit Bears run it on first down 70% of the time. Oh wait, its only 7 out of 12, so its only 58% of the time.

        He will respond with, but they only had 1 play on the 12th drive so it couldn’t be a run. And that is fair. But he doesn’t get to just ignore the 11th drive where they had 2.5 minutes and 2 time outs plus the 2 minute warning. So a proper analysis says 7 out of 11 drives were runs. That is a bit run heavy but not excessively so when the only ball carrier on the team to not be averaging 4 YPC is Glennon and he was benched.

        So even if we are so damn predictable, there hasn’t been a whole lot other teams can do about it. The real problem with the Bears isn’t the heavily reliance on the run on 1st down. Its the abandoning it on 3rd down when its more than 3rd and 2. Howard and Cohen are more likely to get 4 yards than our WRs are going to be likely to catch the ball. Plus if you only get 3 in that situation, get back up and smash it down their throats 6 seconds later. You are at 85% of converting, which has to be better than 20 yards of field position.

      • SC Dave

        Perhaps I misread, in which case I retract my statement.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      Did his third run begin a drive? Nope.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        a little snarky. I like it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Those roll-outs needed top drawer quarterbacking skills to complete. That’s one of the hardest routes to hit. I wowed out loud at some of those throws, it was exciting to see them come out of a QB wearing a Bears’ uni. Jimmy Mac got things done, but the passes wobbled and sometimes DBs were invisible. Mitch nailed some money throws in his first game – the kind most dudes just can’t make, and never will.

  • SC Dave

    Also, another canard:

    “I know he was going against a good defense and calling plays without good receivers isn’t easy. But we saw Pat Shurmur move the ball against the Bears defense in the second half without his quarterback, running back or best receiver”

    He also was going against a defense without NFL linebackers.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      Sure. But Case Keenum was his QB.

      • willbest

        Keenum stats this year
        78 on 121 for 895 yards, 4TDs, 0 INTs. 4 sacked.

        The guy is having a 2016 Hoyer like Cinderella season. Sure he didn’t have Cook that night but they got Floyd back. And it was apparent to everybody with eyes that he was substantially better than Bradford

        • Andrew Dannehy

          He’s still Case Keenum (2 games with ratings under 80) and, if you remember correctly, Hoyer didn’t win much in his miracle year. Keenum isn’t even as good as Hoyer and he had a poopoo platter around him.

          • Cubsnlinux

            The point being Keenum was better than the patched-up defense we had on that specific night. We tend to underestimate other teams and overestimate what we have most of the time but come on..

          • willbest

            And the Vikings D is a lot better. Your hatred of him because of his pedigree seems silly when you consider that the Bears D shut down Bradford, but had no answer for Keenum. He manufactured back to back 70+ yard TD drives, was never sacked, never turned the ball over, and never suffered a 3 and out. Hell they even let him bust out a 22 yard run on them.

            Look I get not wanting to consider Keenum a legit QB, and anybody that thinks he is going to sustain his performance is kidding themselves. But every year some guy who shouldn’t does something he normally can’t. Hoyer 2016. McCown 2013. Ryan Fitzpatrick 2015. Scuab 2011, Joe Flacco whatever year he won the Super Bowl. etc.

          • Irish Sweetness

            At the risk of sounding like a skipped record ….
            {Way too late….}

            If you don’t send the troops, any QB worth his sack can find an open receiver. They break off routes and just get open. Fangio allows this by design, and so he needs to FOAD somewhere and stop shitting all over the franchise’s keystone of monstrous defense.

            Am I wrong about the last part? Is this feminine accommodating defense acceptable to the board? What’s our M.O.? What’s our philosophy and identity?
            Fangio hasn’t got one. It exists only in his private mind if he does. The reality is pants.

          • willbest

            Vic got a safety on a 3-man rush. And DC’s have been using it with some success on HoF QBs the last couple years.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He looked old. Like Tommy Kramer old. So experience is on his side.

      • CanadaBear

        With Jones being the 5th string defensive play caller, the queens went to hurry up and took advantage of the chaos. It’s not like they looked like a well oiled machine. They looked like a mediocre offense up against the Keystone Cops.

        • Irish Sweetness

          CJ looked good from what I remember seeing. It’s when he went out that they raped us, no?

      • BerwynBomber

        Keenum might be the best back-up in the entire league at the moment. Is his play sustainable? Doubtful. He is physically limited but I’ve watched him twice now this season and he is playing very smart football.
        I sensed we could be in trouble if he entered the game. Bradford had been the Bears MVP up to that point.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He’s not a backup now. Isn’t Watson technically a backup? He started as one.

      • SC Dave

        And Case Keenum played better than Trubisky.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He had an OC and help from receivers and a TE. And I still don’t think he outplayed Trubisky. Trubs made throws Keenum never made in his life probably.

  • That Guy

    When Flacco was “elite,” his shtick was often to just throw the ball far and let his receiver run under it. Now that his WR talent has moved on, we’re seeing how often that heaving the ball up for grabs bites you on the ass.

    Ultimately, Flacco isn’t even as good as Cargo.

    Jackson gets his first career INT this week. But I’m more worried about the LBs. We’re wafer-thin at ILB, but OLB is pretty threadbare, too.

    • BerwynBomber

      Never read or heard anyone who thought Flacco was elite.

      In terms of Flacco/Cutler comparisons, they virtually have the same career PR, Flacco’s QBR is slightly higher, and Flacco took his teams to the playoffs six times, compiled a 10-5 post-season record and won a ring. Plus, though I’m too lazy to research it, I’m guessing he played better against his main division rival over the years (PIT) than Cutler did against ours (GB).

      Flacco is an average starting QB, but by virtually every meaningful metric he has been better than Cutler, and by some of the most meaningful metrics by a mile.

      Btw, not sure what WR talent BAL ever had. Torrey Smith? An aging Bolden and ancient Steve Smith? Mind, their receivers were often competent but I don’t know if they were top of the league stuff.

      • That Guy

        I never considered Flacco elite, but lots of guys who get paid to talk about the NFL considered him elite or on the verge of it, given that he won a Super Bowl and then got a huge payday. Yes, those were pretty much the criteria they used.

        http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/joe-flacco-elite-sign-pft-national-nightmare-080715

        Regarding WR, point is Boldin, Jones, Smith, and Smith were a lot better than the nobodies they have now. Plus, they used to have a RB to keep defenses honest.

        Case in point, Flacco beat Denver due to luck, Denver stupidity, and airing the ball up in a way that should have been intercepted, but ended up being a 70 yard completion to Jones. No one is catching 70 yard jump balls from Flacco now. Until Sunday, maybe.

        • BerwynBomber

          So you googled Flacco/Elite and came up with some half-baked article by a guy named Brett Smiley?

          Like I said, I don’t think anyone ever seriously thought Flacco was elite. Or anyone whose opinion was seriously worth considering.

          But he helped BAL reach the post-season a half-dozens times, was largely money in said post-seasons, and they had to pay him some big bucks.

          Can’t remember the exact details of the play you’re mentioning but tight playoff games often involve some luck and Flacco was known to throw about the best deep ball in the game.

          Who knows what he does well now.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Torrey Smith is still doing it. We should have signed him.

  • Scharfinator
    • That Guy

      I wish him all the luck. We’ve seen too many talented guys flame out (e.g., Blackmon, Terrell, etc.) and just go to shit when they are out of the league. If he has actually turned his life around, I want him to be successful in the league, in part to give a road map to other guys who struggle with the same problems.

      Sadly, he’ll probably end up as a role player with the Raiders, get cut right before they make a Super Bowl Run, and end up working at a used car dealership in Cleveland. Not even selling cars–he’ll be the guy who goes and fetches cars for people. His route-running and speed will serve him well there, and some old fat white guy will throw the keys to him and pretend he’s Bernie Kozar.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Not yet.

  • That Guy

    Here’s what I really don’t get about Fox.

    Last year, he refused to use Howard early, despite Howard showing he was obviously the right choice to get the ball often.

    This year, he holds off on Trubs for 4 games. Sure, he has “reasons.” Trubs is inexperienced, Glennon is making the $$$, etc.

    But what about Shaheen? By all accounts, he looked like the baby Gronk he was advertised as during camp. Why has he seen almost no action, let alone few passes? Shouldn’t he be making matchup nightmares, especially with Cohen in the game? Which guy is the defense gonna put a LB on and get burned? Which guy is the defense gonna put a DB on and get trucked?

    And you can’t even say that Fox has a thing against rookies, because there’s Cohen, lighting it up from Game 1.

    It makes no sense. Why not let the young guys who (and who we’re repeatedly told) can play lights-out actually play?

    • Big Mike

      He is consistent. Most HCs err on the side of veterans. Belichick does it, Reid does it, Harbaugh does it. Maybe not exclusively, But moving up the depth chart is a big deal. Players compete every day, they get it.

      No idea about Shaheen.

      • BearDown100393

        Those guys also generally win and don’t go 10 – 27.

        • Big Mike

          Doesn’t change the mentality. It’s the culture of coaching, practicing, competition
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          • BearDown100393

            Pace must change the culture with a statement hire. Consensus here seems to be Jim Harbaugh.

          • Sactowns#1

            That would be great… for 2-3 years. I want a legacy not a flash in the pan.

          • BearDown100393

            Agreed

      • leftcoastdave

        I believe that they are intentionally bring Shaheen along slowly. Zack Miller has always been fragile and this year underutilized. But at his age, protecting Shaheen while building up to this level of competition makes perfect sense. Bullard is a good analogy. Late last year he was gassed. Early this year he was playing like a monster until the buttox strain which is akin to a high hammy strain. We have heard nothing about it, but I believe it has hampered his game significantly because that is the biggest muscle on the body and crucial for explosion off the line.
        As the O begins to gell, we will likely see more of Shaheen, but the problem with the O at this point is systemic.

        • Big Mike

          But for a QB you don’t do that? FWIW I don’t have a strong opinion either way. I believe it’s case by case and the position coaches have the best perspective
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        • Irish Sweetness

          Dude, he’s tight end, not a surgeon. He’s been running on snaps for three quarters of his life. Plus he’s a second round pick. Hay isn’t free. Play. Nobody was bringing Leonard Fournette around slowly. There’s the football. Run.

    • To be fair, Shaheen did not look good in preseason. He had issues with drops and falling (which leads to INTs, remember Johnny Knox?).

      But I agree, it’s time to see more Shaheen. His blocking has been pretty good so far, and he can’t be worse in the pass game than Sims is.

      As for Howard, he got the job for good once he got a chance in games. Never looked back. It’s hard to evaluate RBs especially in practices, which are all noncontact now. Howard’s best ability is that he runs through contact, but you can’t evaluate that in practice. Langford’s worst asset is that he goes down from a stiff breeze, but you can’t evaluate that in practice.

      But yes, Fox is generally too reliant on mediocre veterans and hesitant to play young players, especially late in blowout losses or late in lost seasons, when young players should be getting reps wherever possible.

    • BearDown100393

      When did Shaheen look like Gronk (or even a baby version) during camp?

      • Bear Instincts

        How can we judge if he is even a baby version when he is not getting live game reps? Why are the veterans on 1 to 2 yr contracts getting more playing time than draft picks who we hope will be the foundation of a SB team?

        • willbest

          Well Simms is on a 3 or 4 year deal, and getting paid like a top 16 TE talent for some reason. Miller is injury prone, but the guy has glue for hands, so he should be on the field when healthy.

          • Bear Instincts

            Miller I understand. Simms I dont. Money should not be a factor in playing time. Simms will not be around by the time we win the SB.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Did we hire Chucky?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I keep hearing Miller is injury prone. All I see is an available lightly-used receiver with the best hands in the NFL.

        • BearDown100393

          I do not understand either. Have to ask John Fox that one.

      • Irish Sweetness

        And if pre-season doesn’t count ….

    • I’m no Fox fan, but Howard himself admitted he was not in football shape into about game 4 or 5.
      Maybe the staff saw that and went w Langford at first

  • EnderWiggin

    Gentry promoted, back in the mix!

    • Bear Instincts

      about time

      • SC Dave

        No shit.

    • willbest

      This years braverman to the rescue.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m taking this guy over Braverman. The Bears have to be desperate for a WR and Gentry can’t be any worse than Wheaton.

        • BearDown100393

          Another guy signed by Pace. Another guy determined better than Gentry. Another mistake by both GM and coaching staff.

          • CanadaBear

            Braverman was a 7th rounder and Gentry was a UFA. Are you going to be that petty trying to piss on Pace? FFS these are bottom of the roster players.

          • BearDown100393

            It is not being petty when we actually have to mention activating these type of bottom feeders as potential difference makers for Mitch Trubisky. Our receiving corps has stunk for 2 seasons. Pace let go Alshon, drafted Kev White and signed a bunch of nobodies. Horrible decisions or decisions gone horrible? That is in the eye of the beholder.

          • CanadaBear

            Alshon chose to move on. The Bears offered him $2 mil more for this year than the Eagles. He chose the Eagles. No doubt the WR room was underwhelming to start and losing your top 2 WR’s would hurt any team let alone one with this group.

          • BearDown100393

            Our top WRs projected this season were JAGs. There is no depth here. We do not have one bonafide quality receiver in the organization – IR, practice squad or activated. The best hands on the team belong to Miller, a TE with injury prone tendency. Trubisky has nothing reliable for a passing game. He will face more pressure because there is no choice but to run the football. Birdcage for all his faults, has little to work with in terms of opening any passing playbook here. Yes, expectations have to be realistic for a rookie QB with regards to a narrowed down playbook. But a competent passing game to keep the defense honest has to exist. The offense has been handicapped now for 2 seasons running because of dropped balls. That is not on Birdcage or the quarterbacks (as bad as some have been). That is on the wideouts. And that responsibility is on Pace.

          • CanadaBear

            Meredith showed more than JAG. White’s situation is a fucker. Who knows if he was ever going to be good? The rest of them are truly JAG’s. Typical Bears luck, wherever they are most vulnerable to injuries is where they are most likely to get them. I’m not any happier about the WR’s than you are. Pace fucked up the salcap this year with Glennon. Hopefully next year he will address the WR situation.

          • BearDown100393

            Keep in mind, I want the Bears to do good. I want Trubisky to succeed. But I am tired of alibis and excuses with this team. Accountability. All teams deal with injuries. Every slot on the roster is important. Next season will be another do-over with the coaching staff. A lot is riding on Pace right now. The right guy for Mitch to develop and grow. Optimism is waning in trusting Pace’s judgement for me personally. Time will tell.

          • Bear Instincts

            If he spends on WR’s in FA and plus picks up 1-2 more in the draft and gets the coach right (Harbaugh/Toube/Cooter like some want) or a young OC in general then he buys himself at least 3 more years.

          • BearDown100393

            At least 2 more. Probably 3 as you state.

          • CanadaBear

            Trust me, I understand your frustration.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            I believe Trubisky’s physical tools open up the broader list of potential coaches. I would think a guy like Harbaugh could be lured in with a chance to work with that kid’s career. Because if he can grasp the game mentally, big question mark right now, the sky’s the limit. He’s already made throws I’ve never seen a Bears QB make. And that includes Jay.

          • BearDown100393

            There is a huge difference in development with Jared Goff from Year 1 to Year 2. Clearly the removal of Jeff Fisher has to correlate to that improvement. Mitch Trubisky is a better QB with a higher ceiling. But he needs to be developed. Is Harbaugh willing though? IMO doubtful. But one thing is certain – it will not be John Fox.

          • Irish Sweetness

            His bombs will be on point … if Loggains ever calls one. Like, ever.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And we still don’t know what we have in White. Is he a Fuller? Comes back next season and turns into our Larry Fitz?

          • SC Dave

            The WR coaches have a bit of culpability too.

          • BearDown100393

            Agreed.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            For sure. He definitely should have signed or drafted top shelf, quality starters at every position by now. It’s been two seasons and five games after all. Everybody’s doing it. Why can’t the Bears?

          • BearDown100393

            That is a great question deserving an answer from the Bears GM.

          • Bear Instincts

            because Pace did not show him the money

          • willbest

            I don’t understand what Gentry has done to demonstrate he is better than Wheaton

          • BearDown100393

            He’s not Wheaton?

          • CanadaBear

            He showed some promise in PS. Wheaton hasn’t shown anything positive.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Chemistry with Trubisky.

          • Irish Sweetness

            In that case, hire Victor back.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Or Deonte – our best wide receiver …. for example.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            Hard to replace your veteran kick returner and current WR3 with an I drafted free agent rook before the season even starts. Maybe Gentry is improving each week in practice.

            It’s similar to the Howard situation last year. It’s difficult to promote late round or undrafted rooks right away. Remember, preseason football is fake football.

          • BearDown100393

            Yes it is difficult. The roster was terrible when inherited. It makes the importance of each pick being a “hit” versus a “miss”.

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  • Bear Instincts

    According to Urlacher word on the street is that Bears ownership jumped in and told management to trade up and draft Trubisky. Originally management wanted to take a Safety…wow…who in management wanted to take a safety (Fox or Pace)…if this is true Fox is gone
    http://sportsmockery.com/2017/10/brian-urlacher-drops-bombshell-bears-drafting-trubisky/2/

    • willbest

      Malik Hooker looks solid so far. MB would still be around.

      • Bear Instincts

        i miss the guy. hope hes ok. and yeah Hookers looks very solid. the question is would he have the same impact on the team that Trubisky is having?

        • willbest

          Well he has more turnovers himself 3 than the entire Bears D (2), so its possible.

          • Bear Instincts

            ouch

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        I thought, MB left because he became disillusioned with football once the Chargers left town.

      • BerwynBomber

        Adams has apparently played well too. One of the reasons the NYJ are a surprising 3-2.

        Btw, the Urlacher/ownership story sounds a bit apocryphal. Regardless, I doubt they fire Fox because he was leaning safety in R1. They will fire Fox because of his record, his age and a desire for a new outlook.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          And that delay of game Monday night. That’s the straw that broke the camel’s back.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not if he was never intending to go for it.

      • I wanted Hooker over Adams . can’t coach ballhawking.

        • willbest

          Weren’t there concerns about his hip? I can see where Pace would be gunshy about anybody that even had a hint of injury history.

          • Hooker def came with inj concerns, but man, that TAPE.

            I wouldn’t care if he was only good for 8 games a yr with the way he plays.

            Doesn’t he lead the league in INTs? As a rook. As a S.

            He has 3 more INTs than our entire secondary, and he’s ONLY going to improve.

            IMO, he’s a lock playmaker – next Reed.

            Even if he gets hurt and becomes Mike Brown, that’s still preferable to the Amos’ of the world.

          • Bear Instincts

            K.White has scarred him for life

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          You always go hooker as a first choice though. Let’s be fair here.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            to be fair, if there was a guy named Slutty McSlutface in the draft, Butch would have wanted him ahead of Hooker.

        • Irish Sweetness

          This. And if he put some meat on his bones … wow.

      • Irish Sweetness

        MB’s boy doing him proud. Looking like the cream of the crop.

        MB’s in love. Or making pots of cash.

    • Bender McLugh

      so are you Erik Lambert in disguise?

      • Bear Instincts

        very funny. hell no. im going off the audio

        • Bender McLugh

          lol had to ask

          • Bear Instincts

            ownership has made me dislike them a little less today if what urlacher says is true the

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I actually find that pretty hard to believe. My guess is ownership barely even knew who Trubisky was.

      • Bear Instincts

        As do i but i want to believe that they are finally getting their act together…hopefully they realize Thompson is a dull tool and they throw him out

        • Cubsnlinux

          Thompson? What?

          • Scharfinator

            I guess he means Phillips?

          • Bear Instincts

            exactly. lol thank you. but i would not mind if the cheese dropped him too

          • Cubsnlinux

            nooo..I want the Packers to continue to employ Teddy Cheese boy.

          • BerwynBomber

            Hah! Ted Thompson is completely overrated but I didn’t know he was our GM too.

    • BearDown100393

      Brian Urlacher and Ownership are not exactly peas and carrots.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Hahahahaha. No they are not.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Jamal Adams, they are incapable of logical thought and would only have had eyes for the talking point safety.

  • Cubsnlinux

    After reading Andrew’s post twice I still don’t understand how/where anything is “official” that Fox is on the hot seat. Isn’t this all conjecture and speculation based on common sense? When was the last time the Bears ownership followed common sense?

    • Bear Instincts

      When Papa Bear was alive

    • willbest

      They cleaned house after 2014. That made a lot of sense.

      They brought in a coaching staff who was known for stability as a placeholder. Also made a lot of sense. It makes sense to move on from that placeholder, take the training wheels off your GM, and let him make his call for good or ill.

      • Cubsnlinux

        They are also the ones who continue to employ Ted Phillips on the football side. It doesn’t take a genius or courage or even common sense but just basic sense to fire Emery and company after 2014. Who put the training wheels on the GM? Ted Phillips? Ernie Ecorsi? One is dull in all things football and the other doesn’t work for Bears. If you don’t have a strong football guy running your football operation why make someone a GM who you think would need training wheels? Who would then assess when this trainee is ready to get off of training wheels? McCaskey? Phillips? Media? Fanbase?

        • BearDown100393

          Good point. Despite his youth, Ryan Pace has forgotten more football than the collective McCaskey trust fund clan will ever know.

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          I think in this case, the training wheels are the hiring of John Fox.

          There are definitely no training wheels installed here given what he paid Glennon and traded away to draft Trubisky.

          It’s time for Fox to retire and Pace to hire his own guy. But in my opinion, he sinks or swims based on what Trubisky shows between now and the end of the 2018 season. That’s the whole nut.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Teddy boy right? The fucking architect of misery.

    • Scharfinator

      That was my question as well – fairly misleading title. Nothing official about any of it… unless he can’t say certain things yet.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We don’t fire coaches mid-stream.

  • Bear Instincts
    • willbest

      That seems odd.

      • Bear Instincts

        Gentry for Thompson should have been Gentry for Bellamy

    • Sactowns#1

      With so many stud WR’s on the roster you just got to shed someone. smh

      • willbest

        At present the Bears run 4 TEs, and 5 WRs.

        Wheaton, Wright, Simms, Miller, Sheehan are all safe. Bellamy is a hell of a gunner, and without him we would just have McMannis. That gives you Brown, McBride, Thompson, and Gentry for the last 3 spots.

        Thompson used to handle returns but it looks like they are getting Jackson involved in that.

        • Please no on Jackson returning kicks. He’s already their best S, I don’t want him getting hurt.

          Let Cunningham do it.

          • Bear Instincts

            sacrificial lamb much?

          • I’m ok with losing the 3rd string RB over the starting FS, if it comes to that.

          • willbest

            Who is going to catch passes from our best pass thrower if Cunningham gets injured?

          • SC Dave

            Ouch

      • BearDown100393

        You win the Internet

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      Irish just bought a fake passport and two pistols.

      • SC Dave

        Ha ha

        Good shit. I cancelled my original response hours ago. Gokd, as yours was better.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s not even funny. He was our best receiver after Cam went down. A fucking baller and a return man. Unbelievable.

    • Irish Sweetness

      (faints)

  • Bear Instincts
  • Bear Instincts

    http://nfltraderumors.co/free-agent-cb-tracy-porter-arrested-drug-domestic-battery-charges/

    Free Agent CB Tracy Porter Arrested On Drug & Domestic Battery Charges

    • Wow, never saw that coming.

      • Bear Instincts

        Glad he’s not with us anymore.

    • BearDown100393

      CTE+

    • Irish Sweetness

      Another chick runnin’ her mouth off …..what’reyagonnado?

  • Did anyone catch the pre-game on MNF?

    Woodson had like 5 pages, and he ripped 4 of them off and said, ‘This is what Trubisky is going to run tonight, and the D knows it. the same play he ran in the 1st half will be the same play he run in the second’

    So, as much as I want to totally blame Birdcage for limiting Trub, to some extent, all rooks in their first game can only run so much of the playbook. Contrast that to last year when Birdcage pretty much ran the whole playbook with Hoyer or even Barkley (he would go quick tempo with Barkley from time to time).

    That being said, I think he OVERLY protected Trub.

    No designed QB draws. This would’ve been 100% more preferable than throwing to Wheaton outs on 3rd.

    No read option. Did we even run ONE read option? Might’ve countered an aggressive D with 8 men in the box

    “”Jordan Howard attacked the edge well and finished with 76 yards on 19 carries, which are solid numbers given he faced eight or more defenders in the box on 52.6 percent of his runs, according to NFL Next Gen stats.But Tarik Cohen was rendered ineffective (six carries, 13 yards, one catch, minus-six yards) and danced too much instead of planting and cutting up field, which drags this grade down”.

    The reason Howard faced 8 man boxes was because Birdcage was predictable because he was running an ultra conservative O.

    Very few bombs down field. Birdcage gave us all hope early when Trub let it rain, but then they went away from it, which naturally makes the D crawl up to the LOS.

    Birdcage didn’t want Trub to get no-yds to end up in 3rd and longs, and maybe he deemed go routes and streaks as low % plays esp when Wheaton and Wright are the WRs, but he still MUST take them. Only way to get out of the 8 man box.

    I also don’t think Birdcage ran enough PA.

    I still will never understand why on first down OCs put their QBs in empty backfield.

    WHY WHY WHY?

    When you’re on a run heavy team, the D will assume you’re gonna run it on 1st. So why NOT use PA there? Why? Why? WHy? I will NEVER understand this.

    So, Birdcage puts Trub in empty set on 1st, the DE swings around the edge, strip sack.

    Awesome, Birdcage.

    If you want to go empty, do it on obvious passing downs.

    There were a lot of other instances where Birdcage was too much a cuck.

    Anyone catch Watson’s first game, or even Kizer’s?

    They weren’t afraid of QB draws, read-options, bombs down field.

    They understood that the O must remain aggressive and not reactive in order to give their rook the best chance.

    Hope Birdcage takes the training wheels off next game cuz if not, it’s going to be more of the same.

    • Against pressure, according to PFF, Trub was 1-7 for 9 yds vs Vikes.

      So add some screens to the mix.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yeah, where were the screens to Cohen, that’s what he’s built for.

    • BearDown100393

      After 1 week of tape, any competent NFL 1st string D is going to defend that roll out and throw 10 yards Mitch designer play. Especially without a deep threat wideout who can be trusted.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, they ran eight designed rollouts/boots Mon night. I have to imagine that is a very high number for a pro game — less so for college or HS. And they also ran a ton in the pre-season with Bisky.

        The kid looks good running them but I can’t imagine that volume being sustainable on sundays in the NFL.

        • And it’s good and bad.

          Good in that it keeps the reads simple.

          Bad in that it cuts the field in half which makes it simple for the D as well.

          We also have yet to see a WR drag and beat the secondary or make a tough catch on the roll.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            It would have helped if Wheaton ran a decent route on those roll outs. From what I saw he was usually the Mid level WR on the roll outs, but instead of running straight across at 10-15 yards he usually ran it more on a diagonal and ended up closer to the deep route which brought the safeties into play on his route. I really do not like Wheatons route running.

          • SC Dave

            We need Shaheen in for that shit.

            Let him truck a couple of DBs so that Howard runs thru them as if they didn’t exist.

        • BearDown100393

          It won’t fool a DC such as Wade Phillips.

    • SC Dave

      “When you’re on a run heavy team, the D will assume you’re gonna run it on 1st. So why NOT use PA there? Why? Why? WHy? I will NEVER understand this.”

      This! I silently yelled that twice Monday. Would have been the perfect play at the time.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s the perfect play anytime, I don’t get it. You bring in a FB and you run a play-action, and if the defense doesn’t respect it, you plug it up the middle. You can run that one all day.

    • BerwynBomber

      “I still will never understand why on first down OCs put their QBs in empty backfield.”

      I would assume because D’s haven’t had time to adjust as they would on obvious passing downs and if O’s are hurrying D’s can’t run in personnel to match up the coverage they would ordinarily prefer on three or four wide formations.

      If you remember the PHI game early last year the Iggles threw Wentz in an empty sets the entire initial drive of the game and counted on the rookie to make the hot read. He did. And ran it very impressively. (I believe that first drive resulted in a PHI FG.)

      • yeah, but in our case we JUST got the ball.
        It was literally the first play of the drive.

        I could MAYBE understand if it’s like the 9th play, the D is getting tired, and the O wants to catch the D.

        But on the FIRST play of the drive? With a rook in his first game at his own 20?

        Don’t get it. At all.

        • BerwynBomber

          But that is what I’m saying about PHI/Wentz. They ran empty set the first play after the opening kickoff and then proceeded to run it EVERY play of that drive. (In other words, they never ran a single play that entire drive that was NOT empty set.)

          My guess also is that Loggains is feeding stuff to Bisky that Bisky is comfortable with. Hence, I would assume Bisky ran a lot of empty sets in college.

          Anyway, I get your point about QB draws and read options but this vulture like obsession over MON night playcalling reminds when Cutlerites would not utter a peep about playcalling (or even praise it) when one of Jay’s subs filled in, and then as soon as their golden boy returned and we lost the coaches would be blasted.

          I”m no fan of Fox, but we lost Mon night because a) MIN is the superior team, and b) MIN decided to play a functioning QB in the second half.

          Actually our coaching staff kept us in the game with their nifty punt fake TD and double-option lateral two pointer.

          • SC Dave

            Your “Anyway…” NAILS this blog.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            If it matters I haven’t liked the play calling all year. I expected so much more after seeing what the OC got out the idiots they lined up last year.

          • willbest

            You would think Birdcage would want to demonstrate he is the best man for the job next year.

          • Yeah, but I wrote what I hoped Birdcage would use BEFORE the game.

            He used rollouts, but even you gotta admit the playcalling was shoddy at best. You weren’t screaming at the TV because Birdcage was brilliantly outwitting Zimmer (like, hey, more PA! and runs)

            Trub no doubt Cutlered it at the end. But hey, he’s a rook on the run trying to win a game throwing to scrubs covered by PBers.

            He miscalculated how fast secondaries in the NFL can move.

            They always say no rook is truly ready for the speed of the NFL until they experience it, so in some ways I chalk it up the the learning curb.

            If he’s still doing the same shit on a consistent basis, then it’s time to worry.

            But I don’t think anyone can deny Birdcage played it ultra conservative and that he has to trust Trub can handle a lil more of the playbook.

          • BerwynBomber

            Bisky is a rookie in his very first start of the league. I’m guessing that was an ENORMOUS reason why the playcalling was ultra-conservative.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That means he doesn’t trust his QB. He needs to.

          • Here’s my gripe, when a team has two dynamic RBs, a decent Oline, and a rook QB, you want to put him in the best position to win

            The D will ASSUME on 1st down, on the very first play, that the O will likely run it.

            So, why not use that toward your advantage? Why not PA with 8 men in the box (thus making it easier for the WRs) and throw, if you wanna throw?

            That would be a 1,000 times more effective than going empty spread and telegraphing to the D what you’re going to do.

            Those DEs LOVE seeing that shit. It’s like chum to a shark.

            It also takes arguably our best player maker on O out of the equation – Howard
            And instead relies on our WORST players – the receivers.

            Just dumb IMO

            (and to be fair, Birdcage is not the only idiot who does this, but at least when Bill or Reid or etc do it, they have MUCH better weapons, not rook at QB)

            If Birdcage wants to go quick tempo shotgun NC O, fine.

            How about getting out of your own endzone first and letting the Qb get some rhythm going first?

            Just my 2cents.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No credit for the fake punt and the two-pointer seems unfair. Two of the best play of the night kept us in it.

      • Irish Sweetness

        You could still run a jet sweep off the empty backfield. ….

  • Bear Instincts
    • BearDown100393

      Why?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Knee.

    • AlbertInTucson

      That won’t help an already struggling Cowboy defense.

  • EnderWiggin

    I think one of you guys mentioned that Lamarr Houston was still available to take Willie’s spot. He’s headed to the Texans.

    • BearDown100393

      Is he dancing with joy?

  • willbest
    • Irish Sweetness

      Hey … his testosterone and dianabol intake is missing!!?

      • CanadaBear

        I’m guessing you’re right but he’s the most pleasant roid rager I’ve ever seen!

  • willbest
  • RedBulls83

    Why do people keep saying that Kevin White is a top 2 receiver on this team (when mentioning that we lost our top 2 receivers)? Even before his injury, he didn’t do anything. He just looked like another dude. Nit picking, but it annoys me considering how big of a bust he is.

    • willbest

      In this instance, because AD didn’t specify how they were lost, I assume he is referring to Cam and Alshon

  • Irish Sweetness

    (comes down from zen relaxation pod)

    My beloved Bears have deemed Tre McBride and Tanner Gentry to be of greater use than one Deonte Thompson, our best healthy receiver and returner. Amen.

    This is now a non-issue … until possibly halfway through the Baltimore game if both are catch-less.

    Good luck in NJ, Deonte.

  • George Hotchkiss

    O.K. lets be adults for just a moment. G.M. Pace has had 3 years to rebuild, so far the only clear win in the draft is Leonard Floyd, and Hicks as a free agent. The coaching is highly suspect, the drafting has been underwhelming (I will explain) and the team may be the worst in the league. At best I would give Pace a C-. We can’t can’t keep talking about woulda shoulda couldas, what we see on the field is WHAT IT IS! Monday we saw a prospect who is clearly a project at this point. The best we could say about his performance, was that he was not Glennon. Don’t get me wrong, I like the kid, I hope he pans out, but, we saw nothing Monday to say the kid is a lock to be franchise QB, nothing. There comes a time when you have to look at what you are actually doing (not what you hope to do) to evaluate performance. I give the Bears rebuild a solid D. Three years is enough time to show real progress, it is not working fellow fans, it is not working. Love to hear opinions..

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