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Across The Middle: Embrace Fox Ball

| October 25th, 2017

I was mad.

The Bears were ahead by fourteen with less than eight minutes to go. Victory was a near certainty. But was I happy? No.

Considering this is a team that won just three games last season and hasn’t won more than eight since 2012, my anger in that moment was not justifiable.

What I, and many Bears fans, must do is learn to embrace these 2017 Bears. They’re ugly, sure, but style points be damned! This team is tough. They are also a game away from .500 and, you know what, they’re kind of fun.

Their offense needs to be better. I don’t expect they’ll be able to win many more games like they have the last two weeks, but it is what it is. Nobody should expect them to win the Super Bowl, or even just light up the scoreboard through the air. This team will never do that.

But they can play defense and the last two weeks they’ve done that as well as anybody in the league.

I understand the desire for more. But who are we to demand it? Can’t we just be happy with wins? At least, for now. The Bears just beat a good team. Convincingly. And they are in the hunt. It might only be for one more week but as long as they keep playing shutdown defense, they’ll continue to lurk.

Their offense needs to be better. But let’s worry about that some other day. For now, let’s just enjoy the fact that the Bears are playing competitive football again.


Bashing Mitch

Everyone wants to be quick to judge Mitch Trubisky, but we still don’t know much about him.

A guy by the name of Derrik Klassen couldn’t even wait until Trubisky’s third start before writing about how bad he is. Of course, if you dig a little deeper, you’ll find Klassen was among the people who thought the Bears were “fleeced” and that Trubisky should’ve been a second round pick. A clear case of somebody looking for confirmation bias.

Twitter was exploding with people mentioning that Trubisky had just four completions in the fourth quarter last week but very few mentioned that he only had seven attempts or that, when he did pass, he was effective.

Roughly 33% of Trubisky’s drop backs have come when the Bears are facing third-and-six or more. That is tough for any quarterback. Add in the fact that he’s playing without NFL-caliber wide receivers and it makes you wonder who could be looking for dazzling success right now?

What Trubisky doesn’t get enough credit for is his restraint. Do you think he likes dropping back just 11 times in a game? Or taking sacks and throwing the ball away when he does drop back? Hell no. He wants to make plays. He waited for years in college and more than a month in the NFL. This is supposed to be his time to shine. But, he has to play team ball and that isn’t easy to do.

What we’ve seen is improvement. Trubisky is picking his spots and taking care of the ball. That’s what the Bears have needed from him the last two weeks. He’ll need to do more eventually and eventually we can get an accurate read on him. Right now, he’s just a guy doing his job.


The Coach Who Was Promised

If I were to put odds on who holds the head coaching job for the Bears last year, the two favorites would be the current coach and the guy he’s facing on Sunday. But Sunday’s game could change a lot.

Fox has momentum right now, but momentum can be stopped suddenly if Drew Brees carves up the defense and the Bears can’t score more than three offensive points. But, if that happens, and the Saints move to 5-2, it would put Payton firmly on the path to returning to New Orleans.

If the Bears win, however, they’d move to 4-4 on the season. Three more wins — with Brett Hundley’s Packers, the 49ers and the Browns amongst the teams in the final eight games — would put Fox as a lock to return.

We’ll see what happens on Sunday, but it could go a long way toward determining who is going to be the coach next season.


Bring On The Saints

The Saints are a good team but I’m not sure they want anything to do with the Bears.

New Orleans has won their last four and it hasn’t been a fluke. Their defense has come together nicely over that time and they’re running the ball very well. But the Bears might just be an awful match-up for them.

Part of New Orleans’ resurgence has been because they can put Marshon Lattimore on a receiver and take half of the field away. I guess, that’s the good part about the Bears not having any receivers. The Bears do, however, have running backs and they should be able to use them to pound the Saints’ defense. Aaron Jones ran for 131 yards against New Orleans last week but, for some reason, only got 17 carries. Even if you take out his 46-yard run (and why would you do that?) he averaged 5.3 yards per attempt. Jones is no Jordan Howard.

I’m excited to see the defense against Brees. Beating Joe Flacco and Cam Newton is one thing but Brees is a different animal and he has some weapons — including the underrated Alvin Kamara.

The Saints are also in the dome and that may be the difference in this game. I won’t say I’m expecting the Bears to win, but I’m excited to see how they respond to this test.

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  • RedBulls83

    If the Bears win this game, I think we can start thinking of them as a potential wild card team, No?

    • Bear Instincts

      Who are we going to beat with just our defense?
      N-Vikings, S-Saints, E-Eagles, W- Rams are probably going to win their divisions. Can we really beat the Lions, Falcons, Cowboys or Seahawks in a wildcard game? All these teams have an offense that can put up points unlike us.

      • Bull Shipp

        Mitch Trubow can do anything he puts his mind to!

      • RedBulls83

        If we beat the Saints, it won’t be just because of our defense like the last two games. That’s where I’m getting at.

        • Bear Instincts

          I get your point. However I don’t trust Fox and his game planning or game management. Do you see us having a winning game plan that includes throwing the ball?

    • Bull Shipp

      Yes!

    • Irish Sweetness

      I think we can lose to the Saints and Eagles and go 10-6. I’m prepare to accept Fox at his word when he said we threw it 7 times because that’s all we had to throw it. Once we go behind in a game, especially against good run defenses .. .we’ll simply have to throw it. How well can Biscuit run the hurry-up? I have no idea. But the boy can throw a football like no Bears QB I’ve ever seen, and I’m sure excited to see him do it.

      But his best friend Deonte won’t be there, and we don’t know why. Was he a problem child? Doug Baldwin is a problem child. Seahawks haven’t cut him. Martavis will probably go off this weekend, too. It’s a mystery.

      • SC Dave

        “Once we go behind in a game, especially against good run defenses .. .we’ll simply have to throw it”

        Wrong. Run. The Ball.

        Panic does not fix anything.

        If you are talking behind by a couple of TDs, or later in the game, yes.
        But shit, you don’t take the ball away from your best offensive player by abandoning the run because you’re down 3-0 or 7-0.

        • Bear Instincts

          This right here is common sense

        • Irish Sweetness

          No, 14-0 down after 10 minutes is what I’m expecting. One of those days.

          Then Mitchapalooza happens. Hopefully. Zack Miller for 112.

    • SC Dave

      Why not division champ?

      • Bear Instincts

        Can we beat the Qeens?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Oh yes, brother.

          And absolutely, Dave, Div champ. WILDCARD?? If Biscuit gets going …

      • RedBulls83

        Hard to see them catching the Vikings. At best I think the Bears could go 9-7.

  • Bear Instincts

    You been drinking some serious Fox Kool Aid if you think anyone will Embrace Fox Ball in this lifetime. Its only a matter if time before the rug gets pulled out from under us. Accepting this kind if ball is accepting mediocrity.

    But who are we to demand more? We are the fans whose hard earned money pays for their salaries.

    Can’t we just be happy with wins for now? No we can’t because it is is not sustainable. This is not 85.

    The Bears did not beat a good team. The Bears defense beat a good team. The other phases of the game particularly the Offense did nothing to contribute to the win.

    MT10 can’t and won’t be evaluated properly until 2018 when he gets real weapons and a real coach around him. Think of how the narrative around Jared Goff and the has changed.

    • Scharfinator

      ST played well too.

    • SC Dave

      The antithesis of mediocrity is winning games. And if we continue to do so, I’m fine with it.

      And yes, the Bears did beat a good team. If last week’s game did not make it clear to you the importance of not turning the ball over, I don’t know what will.

      • Bear Instincts

        I’m all for winning. I’m all for not turning the ball over. However this is not sustainable. That is my frustration. Practice make perfect because we are creatures of habit. How can we be good at throwing the ball if we don’t practice and execute it during game time situations?

        • Dis Guy Trublinsky

          Each game is it’s own and separate trial. That game unfolded the way it did, because of the way it started. You surely don’t think Fox started a football game planning to throw the ball 7 times do you?

  • Aaron T. Starks

    If the Bears win this game, their goal immediately shifts to finishing as many games above .500 as possible then see what happens.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hi Aaron. Please post more. It feels like just a few people ranting at a bar in here. I keep forgetting to ask people about themselves because we’re in the middle of a game or whatever, and you can’t ask stuff like that on dead threads.

      Where are you from?

      • Bender McLugh

        Irish, get me another beer dammit!!

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Irish, you’re just good people. My wife someday wants to vacation in Ireland, (she’s mostly Irish), I hope that by that time, you once again live there, and that I can meet you. I’d like to sit in a pub and drink beer and have you tell me stories about the ‘85 Bears in what I can only assume is still a very thick, Irish accent.

        It’s on my bucket list now.

  • Irish Sweetness

    1. On bashing Mitch:

    Bring it on. It just highlights jabberboxes and nincompoops who don’t know what they’re watching. Derrik Klassen – whoever the fuck he is – is one of those ninnies.

    Like a lot of people, I had my WTF moment when Biscuit’s name came down the line. I thought for sure Pace would have picked Watson, he had the CV. In an Al Davis moment I might have picked Fournette, and fucked off my entire staff (with Howard and Fournette we truly would only need to pass 7 times in a game, but then the second pick would have been an OT. But we got Mitch.

    Then his first start happened in PS. And he was awesome. I was literally gobsmacked and twitterpated.
    We’ve put him in a worse position by clipping his wings, but that will have to end by necessity against the Saints because we’ll be coming from behind most likely.

    2. Last season teams pressured Brees less than average, because presumably, they fear him.
    But pressure him a lot …. and he’s more a mid-table guy. Dalton and Carr are far better under pressure, for example. Where Brady and Vadgers eat pressure even more so.

    How many of us expect the Bears to go after Brees all day? It’s the thing to do, but your favorite DC isn’t known for it.

    Drew Brees eats bend-don’t-break defenses for breakfast. The Saints will probably beat us, because we’ll simple allow him to … becaue we’re worried he’ll beat us. Is that sound logic?

    It’s Fangio logic.

    • SC Dave

      If I recall correctly, Pace talked about the importance of a clear middle of the pocket – i.e. holding the line at center and guard position so the QB can step up to evade the outside rush and deliver the ball.

      Problem for N.O. is Akeem Hicks and Eddie Goldman (in particular) are likely to crush the front of the pocket. If they have trouble, then I’m with you on turning Trevathan (and maybe even Jones) free to make decisions on when to blitz.

      You pretend to know Fangio logic, but I’ll just wait and see what he has dialed up for the Saints. I suspect it will be good.

      • Bear Instincts

        Fangio is the same guy who was dropping Floyd into coverage to chase WR’s just a few games ago. Now you trust him to dial up something special for Drew & the Saints? I will wait and see. No more Kool Aid for me. It’s a good defense but depending on them to win every game is not sustainable football.

        • SC Dave

          Your response mystifies me. He had Floyd covering WRs when it was his game plan, and did not have Floyd in coverage when it was not his game plan.

          So far, this defense has looked pretty good overall. I’m going to continue to believe that Vic Fangio knows a vast amount more about NFL defense than you do, and to trust his judgment over yours.

          • Bear Instincts

            No doubt he knows more than I will ever forget. We will see on Sunday how he utilizes all that knowledge

          • SC Dave

            Precisely; I’m optimistic that it will be a good game plan. Evidently more so that you are.

            But that’s okay. It is a little hard getting used to having a real Bear-style defense after the past four or five years.

    • Bender McLugh

      there were more blitzes last game than in a while, but I didn’t count em. Anyone have those numbers?

    • Malice Halice

      Yep, that PS game CLEARLY showed how great he can be. THEN that 1st drive on da Vikings… i fell in love with our qb. He ain’t been asked to put up 250yrds n 3td yet n fellas we KNOW this! Saints will be the game we prep Mitchell’s for Assault n not just recon, unless our D scores again if not twice. But please believe Mitchell is gonna have ATLEAST 20 attempts. I don’t know what to say about fangio tho. Just hope the players make him look great like they did the past few weeks.

    • BerwynBomber

      Interesting stats but you’re reading them wrong. Dalton was bottom half of the league in terms of his DVOA w/ pressure. 25th in fact.

      the fact that Rodgers rated out as #1 vs. pressure isn’t surprising. We have seen that up close for ten years now. He’s the wizard as MB used to call him.

      Btw, would be interested to hear what JWood thinks of DVOA period. I’ve been lazy about getting my mind around it, but it seems like a metric that is catching on.

      Oh, and don’t tell Butch, but Hoyer rated out very well under pressure. 9th in the league in fact.

  • Bull Shipp

    “A clear case of somebody looking for confirmation”. Andrew

    Hmm… that knife cuts both ways Andy. By all accounts, nobody should be polishing Mitch’s helmet with what we’ve seen so far. I’m on the fence but I am definitely think he’s got poh-ten–sheol.

    • SC Dave

      It certainly is a dual-edged sword.

      People around here no doubt think I’ve been a bit hard on Mitch, and maybe I have a little bit. But there needs to be some counter to knob-polishing such as calling an underthrown ball to Cohen a perfect back-shoulder pass.

      Tarik is absolutely a guy to lay the ball out long and let him use the afterburners to run under it. He is not a big-bodied, tall bruiser to use for back shoulder shit. But MT supposedly learns fast, so hopefully he already is figuring that out.

      • Bender McLugh

        man, I agree Dave except for that back-shoulder throw. Cohen just didn’t see it in time….we just disagree on this one

        • SC Dave

          We do disagree. Your assumption is, of course, that it was *supposed* to be a back shoulder throw. I’m far from convinced – normally, back shoulder throws don’t have that kind of arc.

          If you have gamepass, go have a look. The whole delivery looked to me like he was trying to make a touch pass over the top. Not that I actually *know* of course.

  • Bull Shipp

    Fair post Andrew. After the Bears beat the Saints, all of a sudden Fox will control his destiny.

  • Nancy Glennon

    With the defense playing like this, even my Mikey could win games.

    • Cooper

      Now now, let’s not get carried away.

  • Malice Halice

    Where’s a place me n my girl can drink in Chicago n NOT get shot? Obviously nowhere on da southside so northland? Decent happy hour as well would be nice

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      are you just worried about getting shot? Is the chance of being stabbed or beaten OK?

      • Malice Halice

        Yea I can atleast defend myself

    • FresnoBear88

      Wisconsin

      • AfroCelt

        Dunn of man. We had a teen kid go all shabby on a friend to honor an imaginary tale.

        It gets cold and dark and weird up here in winter.

      • Malice Halice

        Ha!

    • CanadaBear

      The only bars I know are Blues bars. Probably not what you’re looking for.

    • willbest

      There isn’t a lot of legal commerce in the zip codes where you are likely to get shot since they aren’t great places to possess things of value

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      Nowhere. Whole city’s a war zone.

  • BerwynBomber

    Saints have actually played better away from the dome than in it. Three of their four victories have been on the road and natural turf.

    Wouldn’t worry about anyone “bashing” Bisky. We’ll most likely not know what he have for a couple of years. The good news is that all the raw tools seem to be there. He’ll get more throws as Fox gets more comfortable with him. Right now Fox is just trying to win games the best way he knows how.

    • Bear Instincts

      …the best way he knows how – that is the problem right there Bomber

      • BerwynBomber

        We’re winning. I’m not sweating Bisky’s development right now. And frankly, even with the low # of pass attempts there is stuff he is learning out there. Or should be learning.

        • Bear Instincts

          1.I’m happy we are winning.

          2.I’m only a little worried about his development because:

          a. Fox has never developed a young QB so I believe Fox will be gone next year

          b. MT10 looks like he has the tools to make it despite Fox clipping his wings (greatness cant be denied but it can be enhanced)

          c. Jared Goff looks like a different player now that he has a good HC and weapons to work with (greatness cant be denied but it can be enhanced)

          3.Winning with just the defense is not a long term answer. I’m enjoying it but it is not sustainable. The O needs to start playing winning football so it becomes second nature to them

      • leftcoastdave

        And winning some other way is more of a win?

        Risk/reward.

        • Bear Instincts

          The risk of ignoring the passing game completely is not worth the reward of a few wins.

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  • BerwynBomber

    Also not sure that seven wins automatically results in a fourth year for Fox.

    • Bear Instincts

      Body of work is more indicative of who a coach is than one good season

    • Irish Sweetness

      Lovie got fired after 10-6 … which methinks is what we get.

  • willbest

    Is it Mitch bashing or is it just because people aren’t knobslobbing a player that hasn’t taken the next step yet?

    • Bear Instincts

      It’s bashing because he was the #2 overall pick, the 1st QB take and he has flashed potential. The basher’s also don’t take into account that he is running the plays that Fox wants him to run.

      • willbest

        Is he? We don’t know what is being called. Is he allowed to audible?

        • Bear Instincts

          We will find out on Sunday

        • Irish Sweetness

          If he was he would have. What worries me is that a real baller doesn’t wait for his coach’s permission before he audibles. If it’s your team then show us it’s your team Audible like a QB does. The crowd doesn’t care who called the play, they want scores.

          Whyja throw it to Willie?
          Because he was open …etc.

    • Malice Halice

      Non slobber facto

    • BerwynBomber

      It is overly sensitive, if nothing else. Never even heard of the critic. Who cares?

      Most people know Fox is conservative as all hell, and to be honest, most national guys I’ve heard speak about Bisky have said positive things.

      • WP4Life

        BB – Help me with this, I’m not just talking football.

        What is seriously the point of a critic?

        (For me – Instead of being a critic I take the – Who cares approach)

    • SC Dave

      I believe this is much of it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Calling him a bad player is insane when he’s thrown a total of 15 passes in his career.

      • Bear Instincts

        Especially when the game plan called for 15 passes

      • SC Dave

        No less sane than calling him a good player with that same total.

        Edit: Plus, will did not call him a bad player. Just that he has not taken the next step yet.

      • willbest

        In fact, there have been 48 passes, 9 sacks, and 12 runs by mitch. So that would be 69 career passing attempts in the NFL regular season. Keep in mind people were calling for Glennon’s head after 85 passing attempts as a Bear.

        Now Trubisky is a rookie so you don’t just go discarding him, but you can start to form an impression of him, and my impression is, he isn’t ready. Sac has an excellent point, when you have a run game like this, and your opponent expects you to run it 75% of the time, where the hell is the play action?

  • Malice Halice

    Don’t know if I’m late but Eddie Jackson is defensive POTW! Where’s Solomon Thomas n foster? Yea Pace got the last laugh

    • Bear Instincts

      Yes

    • SC Dave

      You sure write silly stuff. One game does not a career comparison make.

      • Scharfinator

        No it doesn’t, but there has to be a game 1.

      • Malice Halice

        U trippin mane. Eddie Jackson got drafted a round or 2 after them n his presence is felt . Those other 2 guys may have intangibles that I’m not aware of but to sit there n try n argue that Eddie DOES NOT look better is lame. N actually it DOES cuz they played the same amount of games. Just like Floyd is better than Bosa.

        • SC Dave

          Who is tripping?

          Have you even WATCHED the other guys?

  • CanadaBear

    Can’t find any info on RRH. From what I saw it looked REALLY bad, as in torn hamstring. I have no inside knowledge at all but he looked fucked when he came off the field.

    • SC Dave

      Injury reports due today, right?

      • CanadaBear

        Yep. It sure looked bad on Sunday.

      • Irish Sweetness

        You can ignore Ian Rapoport’s reports then ….

    • Pretty sure I saw beat writers speculating on Twitter yesterday that he would be placed on IR (with a possible designation to return). Expect roster moves sometime this week, because they’re not going into a game on Sunday with only 4 active DL.

      • CanadaBear

        Do they even have to designate the returnees? I thought when they went to 2 per season they dropped that part of it.

  • SC Dave

    From Larry the Shill’s lunch thing…

    “The Bears have won two straight for the first time since November 2015. They have not registered three straight victories since Marc Trestman’s first three games to open the 2013 season.”

    Roll on, boys, there’s another monkey clinging to our back.

  • CanadaBear

    On the Martavis Bryant saga. I truly doubt Pitt trades him because he’s on a 4th-round rookie deal making $660-700K/year. He missed all of last year over 2 drug suspensions. He got beat out by a 2nd rounder this year and is crying like a bitch. Careful what you wish for. Not to mention Foxy got rid of BMarsh and the Black Uni for being a pain in the ass (and they were productive).

    • Bender McLugh

      they aren’t trading him…..yet.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Tomlin has already put the kibosh on that in a presser.

      JUjU-Schuster(?) is in concussion protocol so Martavis likely has 112 yards and a TD or two this week.

      And Foxy wasn’t necessarily right. Imagine Ditka got all the headcases to sling their hooks back in the day …. is Cutty here? Wouldn’t Brandon have been a nice friend for Mitchell?

  • Bear Instincts

    Browns’ Myles Garrett in concussion protocol: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/25/browns-myles-garrett-in-concussion-protocol/

    Glad the Browns took him

    Panthers sign Roberto Aguayo to practice squad: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/25/panthers-sign-roberto-aguayo-to-practice-squad/

    Why?

    Browns go back to DeShone Kizer as Sunday’s starter: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/25/browns-go-back-to-deshone-kizer-as-sundays-starter/

    Only the Browns can out do the Brown

    • Irish Sweetness

      SMH> They’ve benched him twice already!

  • It’s all part of the plan

    Sorry to rain on the parade but I’m predicting a disappointing game on Sunday. Not that the Bears will get blown out but just because you cannot win consistently when you refuse to play offense.
    Back when the Pats came to town against the Bears in that snowstorm I remember watching the complete ass kicking commence while sitting on the 50yd line right off the field seemingly in the middle of a sea of Pats fans.
    I marveled at how aggressive the Pats were throwing the ball vertically and using crossing routes taking advantage of the footing issues, etc. Months later or maybe a year or two later there was an NFL Network piece on Belichek and Brady and they had filmed the session in the office where they were going over the strategy for that very same Bears game.
    Holy fuck, the difference in mentality between that coaching dynamic and our coaching dynamic is night and day. They chose to attack and use their strengths as a shock and awe maneuver because no one would expect it.
    We can’t even get our most explosive playmaker more than 7 snaps on the field in order to loosen up the D so our most consistent RB can gain more than 3yds per rush. We ignore our TE’s and our best WR and sit there waiting for the game to end.
    In the NFL big plays happen from time to time and the current Bears model is predicated upon hoping that NOT ONE big play is executed by the other offense. That’s a fucking cuckold strategy if I ever saw one.

    GP, please take my Ryan Pace avatar and photoshop a ball gag and gimp mask onto it.

    • Bull Shipp

      Gasp… Waffle! How dare of you!

      Mitch only needs 3 completions a game if they go for touchdowns. Chicago will love Foxy before he has a heart attack and succumbs.

    • CanadaBear

      It was a perfect storm for Foxy. Go up 2 TD’s early and the D was holding Car down. If Car scored a TD in there somewhere I’m guessing they would have opened the playbook SLIGHTLY. Once Foxy was convinced Car couldn’t beat the Bears without help, the forward pass was put on life support. Not that Foxy won’t be super conservative all year but if NO gets up on the Beloved by a couple of scores, the forward pass will be re-introduced.

      • It’s all part of the plan

        Not buying it sir. Going 3 and out and putting your D right back on the field was not by choice. Simply utilize the few weapons you do have to extend a drive and run off even more clock then if that’s the plan.

        • CanadaBear

          I agree with ya Johnny but Foxy doesn’t and his vote is the one that counts. It made for a boring game but it’s hard to get too worked up when they win. They weren’t in danger of losing once they went up 2 scores. Foxy was correct.

          • It’s all part of the plan

            Canada, that’s not even Fox, that’s some homeless guy that was displaced by Hurricane Irma. Fox moved to Costa Rica 3 weeks ago.

          • CanadaBear

            Well then there is some hope they will open up the offensive game plan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I sent an email to a GI buddy in Puerto Rico I used to look after when he was here on the GI Bill.

            Never heard back.

          • Irish Sweetness

            See the size of his check two-dollar piss-stained shirt he had on at the presser?
            And his beard? Has his wife left him?

          • Bear Instincts

            They weren’t in danger of losing once they went up 2 scores…..is not true. We go luck with those defensive scores. If this was the Lovie defense then I would say that is part of who they are.
            What happens when a good team will even those two scores? Then what? This is my problem with the Fox offense. He is neglecting half the offense by running it all the time. We need the balance of a passing attack.

          • leftcoastdave

            The play book will be opened up on Sunday as needed. TK is coming along just fine, watching the tape and seeing what all really went on in front of him. There were receivers he missed and balls thrown short, but no INTs or fumbles. That is progress from the last any number of qbs, don’t you think?

          • Irish Sweetness

            TK? The Kid? I thought the sack-taking was very mature. No “Oh Jay….” moments.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’m sure (I hope!) that Foxy just saw that as a situational once-off thing.

            We couldn’t possibly beat NO doing that.

            Probabililty is we get NO defensive score on Sunday. So ….. Mitch’s arm will be required.

          • Bear Instincts

            How good will MT10 be when he asked to beat a team through the air instead of depending on defense for help? Granted its been only a few games so we don’t know what he is truly capable of. I’m not convinced that we have not seen enough from Fox influenced offensive plan to trust that it will beat NO.

        • SC Dave

          It would help to make blocks. The oline struggled mightily last week – they are due for a redemption game.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But the D wasn’t holding CAR down, C-Bear. 20 First Downs and 300 yards. They were moving it a lot more than we were. But our TOP didn’t make it seem so bad.

        I actually HOPE that the Saints go ahead by two.

        1. I expect us to lose this one anyway (because we’re not winning out, right)
        2. It will give us a chance to Mitchell march up and down the field.

        Can we do that without Deonte, is the question.

        • CanadaBear

          I don’t think Deonte will be the limiting factor.

        • Bear Instincts

          The style of coaching Fox employs scares me when considering that CAR had 20 first downs and 300 yards? The defense will not always get luck with 2 scores. Its a give that the Saints will score. How do we counter that?

    • Bear Instincts

      The fox mentality of “as soon as I’m up 2 score and I’m sure the other team cant beat me its time to lock them down with the defense” is not sustainable. That mentality will cost this team games and get him fired. Its not a defense first mentality. Belicheck is a defensive HC and yet his offense looks amazing.

      • leftcoastdave

        You just torched a straw man.

      • Irish Sweetness

        His defense looks shit.

    • Cooper

      I am working on a video of Trub making throws and then cut to Birdcage screaming and running around.

      • It’s all part of the plan

        haha, that fucking video.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, that was an absolute clinic by Brady that day.

      A little reminiscent of Montana and SF coming to town in ’89 for the NFCC when everyone in the world predicted they couldn’t throw on us in 30 mph winds and 2 degree temperatures.

      I’m old enough to remember that game. I used to think that was the greatest QBed game I had ever seen. QB play has since advanced leaps and bounds, but if you contextualize it by era, Montana’s play that day still rates way up there. He posted a 136 PR against our D in those conditions and in such an important game.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Still the best guy I’ve seen. He was the Brady of the day, no question, even better (for me).

        See that vid of all Jerry Rice’s TDs over 50+ yards? Almost every pass was dropped in his basket without him having too break stride. With Warren Moon type spirals too.

        Hated him back then, but full respect.

    • Bender McLugh

      Just place a bet on the Bears to lose so they win again. Please and thank you.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I agree. We have to lose some games before the playoffs, and I think we sweep the rest of the division. Iggles beat us, and prolly Drew.

      And given his skills, we are not using Tarik AT ALL. Zero rushes. A smattering of snaps. WTF?

      Split him wide!

  • CanadaBear

    Sad day here on the Island. One of my musical heroes passed today. Antoine “Fats” Domino. May he R.I.P. Here’s his first big hit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoNC1BF_nmo

    Growing up in the 50’s and being a big fan of piano was great. Loved Fats, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis and oddly enough Liberace.

    • It’s all part of the plan

      Canada, everyone is dying and soon we’ll be left with former Disney stars as our only living music idols. Sad!

      • Cooper

        Did you see what Biebs did to his body?

        He covered his whole chest in tat to the point where his whole chest is dark blue. He looks insane.

        I’m waiting on the Tyson face tat. It’s coming, I know it is.

        The face tat and then suicide.

        • It’s all part of the plan

          1. inexplicable arm sleeve tat on white guy
          2. expansive chest tat
          3. face tat
          4. album underperforms
          5. half hearted suicide attempt

          • Cooper

            You never go full Leif Garrett.

          • It’s all part of the plan
          • Irish Sweetness

            You always make me google shit. I thought Leif Garrett was a viking. Like an actual viking from Scandanavia.

          • CanadaBear

            Maybe the original was a Viking. This one has been fighting a losing battle with drugs for a long time.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I googled him. GP must have been crushed when he died. All those signed records in his bedroom ….

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’ll call Selena Gomez after taking 3 beers and 8 paracetamol. Like Sinead O’ Conoor posting on FB that she was going to kill herself. Any minute now … I will .. you’ll see …

            Got her a spot on Dr Phil a few weeks later!

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta admit I believed her when she said she was going to hill herself.

        • CanadaBear

          I’m lucky I didn’t get any ink until I was in my 40’s. By then you can probably find something you like now and will like to the end. Starting at 18, I can only imagine what I would have by now.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What did you get done in your 40s C-Bear? Was it your girl’s name, you romantic devil you? Heart or arm?

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve got the man in the moon smoking a big fatty on my right upper arm and a stylized keyboard on my upper left arm. Both take up most of the outside of my upper arms. I have big piece (20 hours needle time) with a leprechaun dancing on the edge of a cliff looking across the divide to my other leg where there is a pot of gold on the edge of the other cliff. There is a massive rainbow (with clouds) that connects it all. Nobody said I was mature or sane!

          • AlbertInTucson

            No ink.

            No piercings.

            I still carry a flip phone.

          • CanadaBear

            No piercings and never had a cell phone. Yeah, I’m pretty sure people could nail our age pretty easily!

          • Irish Sweetness

            No phone!

            Nice one.

          • CanadaBear

            A few years ago in Calgary I would take the dog for a walk and stop and get a beverage for the walk. The family that owned the store were super nice. Their son was about 10 and had a new Iphone and was showing it to me. He asked what kind I had and I replied I didn’t have one. He looked at me and then his dad and you could tell he thought I was too poor to own one. Made me smile.

          • Bear Instincts

            you guys offer perspective that is appreciated

          • Irish Sweetness

            YES! I was forced into getting a smart phone basically. Flip phones rock. No cameras. A single shitty ringtone .. .but it’s Star Trek.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Well, mine DOES have a camera that I rarely use.

          • Irish Sweetness

            GTFO!

            For real?

            Pink Floyd? Hawkwind? Gong? Or just the whole flower power scene? What was C-Bear into then?

          • CanadaBear

            For real. The Leprechaun tat is 7″ long and 9″ across, the pot of gold is 6″ long and 9″ across and the rainbow goes from the top of my thighs in an arc to just below my belly button. Just the rainbow took 7.5 hours needle time. If I hadn’t moved to Canada I would probably be the Illustrated Man. Hanging out in a tattoo shop for a few years will do that to ya!

            Oddly enough I’ve been a Blues fan since I was about 13. Loved lots of guitarists Jimi, Carlos, David Gilmour, Link Wray, lots of Blues guys, some Bluegrass guys, Doc and Merle Watson, Danny Gatton, Dick Dale, + a bunch more. Love New Orleans music, Funk, Cajun, Zydeco is a fave. Love Richard Thompson and actually spent about 30 minutes with him at a festival that I was part of back in the day.

            I was a hippie that turned into a drunken hippie and then just a drunk. No alcohol for 23+ years but plenty of weed so I’m hardly a saint.

        • Irish Sweetness

          http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/23/entertainment/justin-bieber-torso-tattoo/index.html

          Can’t wait to see that in 20 years with his meth teeth and a massive paunch.

          Edit: I hope I’m alive in 20 years.

      • CanadaBear

        Wait tll you get to my age. Holy fuck they are dropping like flies. Honestly I find it more depressing when you see a musical idol get old and lose it. I stopped going to see BB King the last decade of his life because he would get confused easily, had to use a teleprompter and would tell rambling stories that went nowhere. At least he could still sing and play. A lot of the singers that I liked when I was young couldn’t sing a lick by the end. Old age ain’t for sissies!

        • It’s all part of the plan

          I always say, live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse and a healthy life insurance policy

          • CanadaBear

            All of that is great except for the die young part!

          • Irish Sweetness

            You’re about 25, right?

          • It’s all part of the plan

            39 my man

          • Irish Sweetness

            Oooh. That year.

          • CanadaBear

            Lemmy could have passed in his 20’s and he wouldn’t have been a good looking corpse. Loved that guy!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ve been watching Motorhead documentaries for a couple of days now. Watching one as I type.

            This is probably the best one :

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp2aZkqFdJs

            Second best:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYuSJacb7H0

          • CanadaBear

            I’ll check them out. I have never bought any Motorhead or any other really hard rock or metal bands’ music. No issue seeing them live. Gotta love that energy

          • Irish Sweetness

            And Lemmy loved Little Richard and Jerry Lee and Elvis and all those boys. Like he said, he remembers the time before there was rock n roll.

          • CanadaBear

            It was called Rhythm and Blues before Rock ‘n Roll.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The weird thing about BB was he couldn’t sing and play at the same time, according to him.

          • CanadaBear

            Oh yeah. BB freely admitted he couldn’t sing and play at the same time. He also could never get the hang of slide guitar. However, what he could do he did much better than most! Here’s a fave from a live show in Africa. He’s just wailing. Props to Sonny Freeman on drums! Anyone on here that thinks BB was all talk, check this out.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqPL3mVNChs

          • Irish Sweetness

            ’74 – Was that at the Rumble in the jungle??

          • CanadaBear

            Yep. I’ve got the DVD of all the acts. Great stuff!

            https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Power-James-Brown/dp/B002ZL57Z0

    • AlbertInTucson

      89 is a pretty good run.

      • CanadaBear

        No kidding. I saw him on Treme a couple of years ago and he was pretty frail. Biggest selling musical star out of New Orleans and that’s saying something.

  • Bear Instincts
    • Irish Sweetness

      Ian Rapoport? HA. I bet Moore gets a contract extension and doesn’t get released. Rapoport loves reporting things that only exist in his head! BUY!BUY!

  • Scharfinator

    What happened to everyone wanting to limit Cohen’s snaps since he’s so small and we want him for more than a year? IS needing to win this season worth his wear and tear?

    • Irish Sweetness

      What wear and tear? I think he touched the ball twice this week, hasn’t had a carry in two weeks.

      • Scharfinator

        He touched it way more than twice (PROBABLY LIKE 4). He had two receptions, a drop, etc.

        • Irish Sweetness

          So … three times :o)

          Actually it was a great drop as drops go. The first touch was sweet.

    • willbest

      He only had 7 snaps. That is a bit low. Ideally he should get ~20 snaps with about 8-12 touches/targets.

      But if the opponent doesn’t have an answer for him you would expect him to get up around 15-16 that game.

    • FresnoBear88

      coaches need to watch some Darren Sproles tapes and use him much as the eagles and saints did.

  • Cooper

    In the Australian outback, shit like this crawls into your house

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPg5D9J0f3o

    That thing could probably kill Tarik Cohen and eat him.

    • CanadaBear

      I read once that of all of the poisonous creatures on earth, Australia is home to 90% of them.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Green Bay holds the rest.

    • Irish Sweetness

      A nice fake!

      When my sis was going to live in Oz for a year I read that there were over a hundred creatures there that could kill you!

  • Irish Sweetness

    This is wonderful, I think I posted before, but always worth a look if you haven’t seen it. 75 historical photos.

    Featuring, I was surprised to see, the first woman to strike out Babe Riuth and Gehrig, shaking hands with both. Her name? No googling!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFiT6xlFr3c

  • SC Dave

    New thread.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Goodbye thread, you were a good one.

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