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Across The Middle: 2018 Chicago Bears Coach Power Rankings

| December 6th, 2017

Trust is going to be the most important factor in where the Bears go from here.

Ryan Pace is in his third year as GM for a franchise that has won 12 games since he took over. That’s 11 fewer than the guy he replaced and he only got three years to do the job. George McCaskey may still have faith in Pace but he’s admittedly not a patient person. Whoever the next coach of the Bears is, they must trust that Pace picked the right quarterback and knows how to build the rest of the roster.

On Pace’s part, he has to trust the person he hires to create a successful environment around the franchise quarterback, while not losing sight of what else is going on around him. For those reasons, I believe the next coach of the Bears is likely going to be somebody Pace knows and already trusts. We’ve seen these kinds of relationships come together recently in Jacksonville, Buffalo, San Francisco and Philadelphia. Pace not only needs somebody he trusts, he needs a quick turnaround and three of the four aforementioned teams are enjoying the most success they’ve had in a number of years.

Here is my guess on which current pro coaches have the best odds of being the Bears coach next season:

1. Dennis Allen, DC, New Orleans Saints

Everyone wants an offensive guy, I get it. But Allen has connections to John DeFilippo, Mike McCoy, Al Saunders and Bill Lazor. It’s also possible he can lure another veteran coordinator — Norv Turner, Gary Kubiak or Dirk Koetter — to run his offense with a young stud quarterback. This goes back to the trust factor because Pace worked with Allen for five years in New Orleans. Allen is said to be uniquely organized and detailed — the opposite of the Bears current coach. He failed in Oakland but he had just one year as a coordinator at that point and didn’t have any talent. Since he took over for Rob Ryan late in the 2015 season, the Saints have had a drastic improvement defensively.

2. John Morton, OC, New York Jets

Pace doesn’t have as much familiarity with Morton, but the two crossed paths with the Saints in 2006 and Pace’s mentor Sean Payton hired him again in 2015. He has also been hired twice by Jim Harbaugh and once by Pete Carroll. That’s one hell of a reference list. He has the Jets, quarterbacked by 92-year-old Josh McCown, in the top 20 in scoring and yardage.

3. Pete Carmichael, OC, New Orleans Saints

This is a guy I’ve gone back and forth on, but his resume is remarkable, at least on paper. Payton and Brees get — and deserve — most of the credit for the Saints offense, but Carmichael called the plays in 2011, 2012 and most of 2016. In 2011 they were first in yardage and second in scoring, in 2012 they were second and third and in 2016 they were first and second.  The question is his personality. Is he a leader like Payton or just a play caller like Trestman? He interviewed for the Bears job in 2013, but hasn’t had much interest since then. Pace knows him so, if he gets an interview, I like his odds.

4. Pat Shurmur, OC, Minnesota Vikings

No coordinator in the league has done a better job this year. Pace is familiar with Shurmur from their teams competing against one another numerous times over the years. The Vikings offensive coordinator was a part of two top-five offenses under Chip Kelly and now has the Vikings as among the best units in the league despite losing their quarterback and running back.

5. Matt Nagy, OC, Kansas City Chiefs

There’s no connection to Pace here but the Chiefs were said to love Trubisky before the draft. In his much talked about post-draft Monday Morning Quarterback, Peter King wrote that Kansas City had a deal with Tennessee to move up to the fifth pick, but that deal died once the Bears took Trubisky. Nagy took over play-calling duties for KC last week and got them out of their funk with a 31-point performance. He’s only worked for Andy Reid, however, so it’s hard to pinpoint who his assistants might be.

6. Matt LaFleur, OC, LA Rams

Again, there’s no direct connection to Pace but LaFleur is a young, bright offensive mind who just might knock the Bears GM’s socks off in an interview. He’s been a QB whisperer, with RG3, Everett Golson, Matt Ryan and Jared Goff having career years with LaFleur nearby.

7. Todd Wash, DC, Jacksonville Jaguars

The Jags have the best defense in the league and Wash is the guy calling the shots, working for a former Pace buddy in Doug Marrone. If he can bring in a good, veteran offensive coordinator, he deserves a long look.

8. Sean Payton, HC, New Orleans Saints

Unlikely, but let’s not completely rule out Payton telling ownership he’s ready to move on and that 2017 was just a last shot at a championship. It’s no secret that Payton has been flirting with leaving for several years. In Chicago, he could see a young quarterback he liked – New Orleans is rumored to have been the “other” team trying to get the second pick from San Francisco last April – and a front office chief he’s worked with before.

9. Mike McCarthy, HC, Green Bay

There’s a chance the Packers win out and make the playoffs but, even if they do, there are some who think McCarthy might want out of Green Bay. He’s been there a long time and has, at times, been frustrated with GM Ted Thompson. He completely revamped Aaron Rodgers’ mechanics and there may not be anyone more qualified to fix Trubisky’s footwork.

10. John Fox, HC, Chicago Bears

Fans don’t like Fox but people in the league do. If he were to catch wind of his potential firing he could call a meeting with ownership and point out that he’s turned two teams around. He can point to his record before he got to Chicago as evidence that he can coach, but he doesn’t have the talent to win with. Fox could then say, he wants to bring in a veteran offensive coordinator — Mike McCoy, perhaps — and he’ll figure out how to get the defense to a dominant level because he’s done it before. Using things that are entirely true, he can make an argument that he is not the problem with the Bears. But, if the McCaskey family allowed Phil Emery to fire Lovie Smith, I don’t think they’ll stand in Pace’s way if he wants to fire Fox.

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  • Cubsnlinux

    Good rational list of candidates. But may be you should have just narrowed it down to five because the names from 8 through 10 make it seem that you were really struggling to find 10 potential pragmatic candidates. Mike McCarthy and John Fox really?

    • It’s the Bears.
      No amount of absurd stupidity is beyond their realm possibility.

      Should’ve put Lovie at #11 just to troll us.

  • ButtonShoes

    Rick Morrissey isn’t good for a lot of things…hell, he isn’t good for much of anything, but every now and then he comes up with a gem:

    “Ryan Pace: A perfect McCaskey hire. Polite. Gracious. And the kind of guy who would give quarterback Mike Glennon $18.5  million in guaranteed money for no apparent reason. There should have been improvement in Year 3 of the Boy Genius’ time as general manager. Instead, there has been regression. He gets points for taking a risk by drafting Trubisky with the second overall pick. He gets major points off for leaving the rookie’s development to people who apparently wouldn’t know a quarterback from a Quarter Pounder. Pace probably will get another year of employment, but only because the McCaskeys don’t have the energy for another GM search.”

  • BerwynBomber

    Nagy will be the guy.

    He and Bisky will seem like the most Pederson/Wentz and McVay/Goff pairing to Pace.

    • willbest

      He is legitimately the only guy on this list that didn’t have me cringing.

    • Trub seems confused by a JV playbook.

      Imagine him having to run a WCO

      http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article866082.html

      that goes for Gruden too

      http://blog.linshlonsky.com/video/zc_RbHLrXMPBQ9s

      • Bear Instincts

        he is a rookie with 13 starts. 13 starts. im starting to believe most bears fans would not be happy if they had brady & rodgers as starting QB’s

        • Exactly, and next year, if it’s a WCO, will be ZERO games with WCO, so he’ll have to start from scratch.

          If we get a heavy WCO HC, then we might as well just start Sanchez and let Trub sit cuz he’s going to be a deer in head-lights.

          That’s why the Chiefs are sitting Mahomes for the whole season.

          But, I know, Bears won’t do this cuz the genie is out of the bottle.

          • Oh, and we can pretty much trade Howard since I seriously doubt he’ll fit into a WCO scheme with his stone hands.

          • Bear Instincts

            why would you hire a HC who would gut the limited talent you have?

            we need a coach who is going to look at our roster and build an offensive plan that maximizes their talent

          • Coaches always do that though.

            Martz with Olsen is the most glaring example, yet, the Bears had no problem bringing in Martz and shipping off Olsen.

            Trestman got rid of Clutts cuz he didn’t believe in FBs.

            Bears don’t mind hiring coaches who cut talent for scheme.

            And I can’t think of any WCO who starts a RB with stone hands.

            The Chiefs have Hunt and West who can both catch.

            If a WCO coach keeps Howard, he may just relegated to a Jay Ajayi role in heavy rotation with 2 other HBs.

          • Bear Instincts

            the hc/gm at the time did not know what they had and were not very football smart. i have always believed that a good coach will find way to use a talent. bad coaches get rid of talent. look at the teams that are always in the playoffs: patriots/steelers. they maximize talent. if they cant do it with a system that has been working for almost 15 years what chance does the rest of the league have

        • SC Dave

          He’s got 21 starts now, dude.

          • Bear Instincts

            under Firefox/Bridcage who have done nothing to put him in a position to maximize his talent and help his win

      • Irish Sweetness

        Man, I hope not.

      • BerwynBomber

        Not saying you’re wrong. Only saying whom I think Pace will choose.

    • Sactowns#1

      Please STOP with the Wentz comparisons. Wentz played multiple years in college, ran a pro style offense and performed at a high level. Gomer has done none of that.

      • BerwynBomber

        I agree (and Wentz is a superior athlete and has more football smarts).

        But I still think Pace will use it as a template for his HC/QB comparison. Along with McVay/Goff.

  • Irish Sweetness

    The list of potential HCs includes coaches not on any current pro roster – jus’ sayin’.

    Every incoming team gets three years to show something (in my book). I haven’t seen anything in 3 years except incompetence, as per ….

    Pace gets a pass because…….?

    I don’t believe he should get a pass. He provided the HC. He oversaw the failures, so he should probably follow them out the door, right?

    • I don’t really fault Pace yr 1.

      Stuck with Cutler.
      Stuck with Emery/Angelo roster, scouting & medical dept
      Stuck with Fox.

      HOWEVER, everything else after that, I hold him responsible, ESP his FA failures.

      The best compliment we can give Pace right now is “eh, he isn’t Angelo” which isn’t saying much. He hasn’t ‘wowed’ me.

      As such, I wouldn’t be opposed to searching for a new GM.

      Pace could be our “bridge” GM. The Andy Dalton of GMs, so to speak.

      Of course, this means trusting the McCaskeys to land a franchise GM cuz Accorsi is helping out the Gmen this yr.

      Or, trusting WunderMench to get the HC right.

      In other words…

    • Bear Instincts

      And replace him with what?

      A new GM/HC will want to put their stamp on the roster by getting rid of people. There is no 100% fool proof formula to building a good NFL team. Yeah they get it right more times than not but even the Patriots are not perfect. They have had time (15) years to build their system that works for them. Yes you want to trash Pace after 3 years? Seriously.

      In order to have any kind of progress it takes stability. Changing HC/GM every few years is the opposite of that. Firefox is clearly a problem. More so than Pace. Firefox is the one who is supposed to build up the talent not Pace

      • Carlos Pendleton

        Fox doesn’t know how to build up nothing anymore period, he stayed in coaching too long!!!

  • TBC

    Mike McCarthy wants out? Of Green Bay? And wants to coach….da bears? Because….why?

  • I brought up Dennis Allen as a dark horse a month back when the Saint’s D finally gelled.

    IF Allen can bring Flip as OC, that might be duo worth considering.

    If Allen can’t bring Flip, doesn’t look as sexy.

    Flip is the guy who really interests me. All I hear is great things about him, but the jump from Wentz coach to HC might be a yuge jump for him right now.

    Would make sense if he takes an OC job first with the beloved and Trub while Dennis Allen takes care of the D.

    Would be a great audition for Flip to get out under the Pederson shadow.

    Considering Pace went Fox/Gase, might fit his MO.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Does it make any difference who the HC is, when we have the GM we have …?
      I don’t understand how Pace survives and none of this is his fault …

      • You gonna trust George to find a better option than Pace?

        This is kinda damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

        I used to be Cutler believer-agnostic turned-sketpic

        That’s sorta how I’m feeling about Pace right now – agnostic.

        If the Bears want a new GM/HC combo, fine.

        But I’m not sure if I trust George’s judgment more than Pace’s.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Can a GM who was never a baller really spot talent? How? They’re seemingly – now – MBA types who listen to the opinions of scouts and coaches who may not know their own assholes from their bellybuttons.

          Did Pace ever put his hand in the dirt?

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            He played DE for 4 years at Eastern Illinois University.

          • Bear Instincts

            Jordan is best basketball player on the planet but a horrible GM.

          • Carlos Pendleton

            Pace, play college ball, I think d end, at Cameron Meridith school!!!!

      • Bear Instincts

        Is Pace really that bad? Consider that we hand Emery & Angelo before him. Pace seems to have a plan that he is trying to work.

        He did try to get Mariota & Wentz but the price to pay for them was too rich for him? He was willing to pay for MT10. For all those bitching now (not saying you) what will you say if MT10 starts to ball out next year like Wentz? Give Pace credit for the job he has done based on what he was left to work with.

        The next GM/HC of the Giants are going to start off on a far better foundation than Pace/Fox did. The Giants have more talent. Pace hand nothing when he started.

        • Irish Sweetness

          (looks at record … checks last year’s record …..looks at roster ……)

          Let’s say the results do not reflect anything that represents winning, or indeed the future likelihood of winning based on the quality of past decisions. I think that’s fair.

          MT was probably a 40/60 coin toss with Watson on the other side. If he turns out to be Joe Montana then he’ll still be a coin toss on Pace’s CV, it won’t/shouldn’t be a qualifier for his continued employment. Just win, baby.

        • Carlos Pendleton

          So true!!!!!

  • Bear Instincts

    next HC:
    command the respect of the entire locker room
    coach both offense & defense
    can build an offense around MT10’s strengths and the rest of the offense (howard, tarik, shaheen plus whoever we get in FA and the draft)/must be flexible unlike like martz (if you don’t fit my scheme you have to go)
    football smart/good game manager

    1.Jim Harbaugh
    2.David Shaw

    • 3. Zombie Halas

      I think the chances are about the same.

      • Bear Instincts

        Maybe but I’m look at their track record (all three are winners) and the culture they come from hoping they will bring that same culture to the bears

        Harbaugh was a winner in his first 3 seasons with the 49ers (2 conference championships and a SB appearance)

        Shaw has been a winner at Stanford since he got there. He coached Luck and groomed other QB. Plus his temperament fits what the George and company like

        Patricia comes from the Patriots. They are winners who dont know how to do anything else. 10+ wins for the past 15 seasons. multiple SB wins. plus he is a rocket scientist or soemthing

        • Harbs and Shaw are good names, just not likely to leave their programs.

          Patricia intrigues. I just wonder what OC he would bring.

    • BerwynBomber

      My guess is Harbaugh ain’t leaving UM and if he were he would want GM power.

      • Would you keep Pace and hire Harbs with GM power?

        • BerwynBomber

          I don’t think it would work unless they demoted Pace.

          Although PHI apparently did that to a degree with Chip and Roseman, though weirdly they gave Roseman a more senior position but it was a bit figure-heady.

          And btw, Roseman has been on fucking fire since he outlasted Chip. Not only the ballsy Wentz and Pederson moves but even his drafts and FAs.

          • Bear Instincts

            move Pace to head of football operations. make harbaugh co gm with pace.

  • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

    After seeing how the Saints utilize Kamara and Ingram, Payton has moved up my list. Howard and Cohen are very similar to those two. Granted Cohen seems to be a very poor man’s version of Kamara. It is no longer just the Brees show in NO with that running game. It just really intrigues me. You can see Pace’s vision is along the lines of the Saints, especially the year they won the SB, at least Offensively. The problem with Payton has always been Defense. Can he get a DC that is worth a shit?

    Like most of you have stated let’s get someone in that can utilize the talent we already currently have. We can’t afford to ship someone off because they don’t fit a system, at least not yet.

    NOTE: this is not an endorsement of Payton. I just want someone who can utilize talent, and Offensively Payton fits that mold.

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      He hired that scumbag DC Gregg Williams. I don’t think Payton knows/gives a shit about defense, and the defense must come first in Chicago – blow all the raspberries you want – but an offensively-driven HC wouldn’t sit right with a lot of fans (perhaps a little oldskool).

      {Irish removes his sweater to reveal a perfectly-toned chest barely contained in a t-shirt with Chucky Gruden’s gappy smile beaming out at the world ….}

      First, draft Barkley.

      Lock that position down for the next four or five years. Howard and Barkley? Jesus, c’mon – 2 backs over 230lbs … I think I just came. The defense will need that backup on O. Mitch will drive it in the middle lane …. but draft Barkley. Secure that m’f’er and pray to the 8lb baby Jebus that we sucked enough to get him and thank the heavens we don’t need a QB. Because we have one. He just needs to learn the dance.

      • Bear Instincts

        what about the edge rushers/wr’s/cb/safety?

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        Why is Williams a scumbag? Because he got caught having bounties, which a lot of teams were still doing…

      • CanadaBear

        You jizzed all over Fournette last off season. 4 yds/carry this year

  • RedBulls83

    Why not the OC from Detroit? He’s done great with Stafford.

    • Bear Instincts

      no run game. do you trust him to make the most of howard&tarik?

      • BerwynBomber

        I wouldn’t blame their lack of run game on Cooter.

        Have you seen their RBs? Abdullah, Washington, Riddick and Zenner. The latter two are the only guys worth a shit and they’re third down backs.

        DET’s lack of running game is almost entirely on management not coaching.

        • Bear Instincts

          Coaches maximize talent and put them in a position to win

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Where did you get that nonsense? No Bears coach has ever done that.

          • Bear Instincts

            and that’s been the problem from day one

      • Irish Sweetness

        I trust a well-built OL to make the most of howard & tarik. You can pull the run plays out of a hat at that point.

  • FresnoBear88

    Why not keep Fox and just hire a new OC?

    • Bear Instincts

      hell no. why didn’t we keep lovie and get a new OC?

  • Bear Instincts

    FYI…$29 million in dead money and 23.7 million would go against the cap. Post June 1st cut would make 14 1/2 in dead money and 9 million against the cap……for all those who want to dump MT10 and get a new QB

  • fishing florida

    FOX SHOULD GO, AND FANGIO WILL,BUT…………The biggest reason the Bears are 3-9 and were 3-13 last season is a lack of talent. in the 49er’s game, if kyle fuller is your best player on defense and tarik cohen is your best player on offense, how much talent do you have??

    • Sactowns#1

      Amen. nothing will be fixed until Pace gets the boot.

      • fishing florida

        and, talent is the bottom line in winning.

      • Bear Instincts

        who will you replace him with?

        • Sactowns#1

          Elliot Wolfe would be at the top of my list. Coming from GB he knows the division and should know the Bears better than many. GB has been pretty successful at bringing in talent and they are consistent contenders.
          Nick Caserio would be another. Pats consistently find gems in FA and are a perennial contender.
          Scot McCloughan would have ot be on the short list as well. He built SB contending teams in Seattle and SF. He’s also relatively young and looks like a mutant caveman.

          • beninnorcal

            I would contend that GB has been one of the worst at bringing in talent but has one of the all-time best qb’s to mask it.

          • Bear Instincts

            Agree

          • Bear Instincts

            and how good is that talent when Rodgers is not on the field?
            why would GB let him go?…to the Bears? Seriously?

  • Bear Instincts

    Am I the only one who thinks Urlacher is trolling the Bears by rooting for Fox to get more time to right the ship?

  • Sactowns#1

    A lot of OC’s on the list. Fun fact. 7 of the last 8 Super Bowl winning coaches come from a DC background.

    • willbest

      Moses Christ. That isn’t even remotely true.

      2016 – Hoodie (D)
      2015 – Kubiak (O)
      2014 – Hoodie (D)
      2013 – Caroll (D)
      2012 – John Harbaugh (ST)
      2011 – Tom Coughlin (O)
      2010 – McCarthy (O)

      2009 – Payton (O)
      2008 – Tomlin (D)
      2007 – Coughlin (O)
      2006 – Dungy (D)
      2005 – Cowher (D)
      2004 – Hoodie (D)
      2003 – Hoodie (D)
      2002 – Gruden (O)
      2001 – Hoodie (D)
      2000 – Bilick (O)

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      I am sure if you looked you could find another 4 year stretch that is the exact opposite.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Whatever about the HC …. Defense wins champs. Has been that way since I was a kid.

  • BerwynBomber

    QB “guru”, Offensive “genius” Mike McCarthy wants to prove his mettle w/out Aaron Rogers?

    Yeah … right …

  • beninnorcal

    How about Dave Toub? I woupd like him to at least get an interview this time. I know he has zero history with Pace but he sure has some history with the Bears and he had his own connections I’m sure.

    • Bear Instincts

      Why Toube? What has he done. Haraugh is an ahole winner. Shaw is a winner at Stamford and he coached Andrew Luck.

      • beninnorcal

        What has he done? Been a successful coach throughout his career. Specials, sure, but he’s managed to be the best at what he does consistently with the guys on each roster who are mostly backups at their respective positions. I think he’ll get a shot and we’ll all wish it had been us.

        • Bear Instincts

          is he more accomplished than Harbaugh or Shaw?

        • Irish Sweetness

          How does that qualify anyone to be a Head Manager though. ST and running an organization are very very different. Do we have a list of ST coaches in the NFL that made great HCs?

    • I SERIOUSLY doubt Pace will risk his ass on an special teamer.

      GMs are extremely squeamish about hiring them for HCs.

      The only one I can think of is John Harbs, and he was hired a while ago.

      • CanadaBear

        Pretty sure Ditka was a ST’s coach.

        • Yeah, but I’m trying to remember a HC not from the 80s!

          I think there was another, just can’t recall.

  • BerwynBomber

    For all the understandable talk about Bisky being Pace’s most important decision as Bears GM, the new HC selection (provided Pace survives Fox) will be his most important.

    Bisky would have been more important than the HC only if 1) he proved a transformative/HoF talent (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Wentz) or 2) a face palm level bust (Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, McNown, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, etc., etc.)

    But chances are Bisky is somewhere between those two extremes, with his ceiling being consistent top 10 guy and his floor being below average starter.

    The new HC — although obviously not as exciting a topic as a QB — will truly make or break Pace.

    • willbest

      McCaskey has a bit of a problem on his hands. Getting rid of Fox is pretty much a given. But Pace has 2 years left on his contract. Do you let him hire the next coach? You aren’t going to fire the next coach after 1 year. So do you then fire Pace if you don’t like what you see or let him go lame duck? Its generally considered inadvisable to have a lame duck GM. You want to either extend them or let them go early.

      Plus the organization is married to Trubisky through 2019. I said it last off season, but things are pretty much set up so Pace is the GM through the end of 2019 now, regardless of how bad the team was in 2017.

      • Sactowns#1

        Why are we married to Gomer? If we can sign Jimmy G why not? if we can draft a solid QB why wouldn’t we?

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          the assumption is that MT is a solid QB. why get rid of him? Rookie year, poor coaches, and then some people assume he is not the answer. Which he may not be, but you give a Rookie more than a year to figure it out. This is the same thing Rams fans and talking heads did last year with Goff. Goff did not play well with crappy coaches then fans and talking heads started to question him. This year he is playing much better.

          • They played a lot of Ram’s games on TV last yr, so I can testify that Goff looked WORSE than Trub this yr. He looked like a total bust.

            That being said, fans now have to trust Pace to hire a McVay (who came with IMO the best DC in Wade) homerun to turn the QB and franchise around.

            We have to trust the same guy who wanted Fox, and still has not fired Fox, to somehow homer into great coaches.

            I hope he does cuz I don’t want to hate the next 3 years, but I’m not exactly optimistic.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t think Goff is all that now. He has a great OL and RB.

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            LIGHTYEARS ahead of what he looked like last year!

        • Bear Instincts

          we have been bad as a team due to bad drafting and no QB drafting (always trying to get someone’s cast off). Pace is working to fix that. Why would you get rid of him while he is in the middle of working his plan? the roster is young and the cap space is good. give the man time.

          • Dave Fauxb

            we have been bad as a team due to bad drafting and no QB drafting (always trying to get someone’s cast off)

            Is that what we call Jay Cutler these days?

          • Bear Instincts

            hell yes. getting cutty was like ask a girl out knowing she is about to be dumped by her BF

          • Irish Sweetness

            In the middle?? It’s been three years. He wanted a new QB? Should have done that in year one then. You get three years to show what you can do. Pace has shown 3 wins is what he can do. that number didn’t just fall out of the sky – it was put there by his squad.

        • willbest

          I suppose you could make him your backup, but he isn’t leaving the roster until 2020 at the earliest and he would have to be such a bust that he wasn’t worth the roster spot because his entire contract is guaranteed and they have to pay him anyway.

          2018 – 1.8 million (23.7 million dead)
          2019 – 3.1 million (17.1 million dead)
          2020 – 4.4 million (9.2 million dead)

          Its important to note that the dead hit occurs if they trade him as well.

          Incidentally, I don’t know what you have seen in G that makes you a believer that he has it. I sort of understand your irrational hate for Trubisky. He took the spot on the Bear’s roster you had reserved for double ACL tear, he is exceptionally raw, and the accuracy he displayed in the pre-season disappeared. But the G love? The guy played 1.75 games for hoodie before busting his shoulder and then Hoodie proved he could win a game with a tebow clone. The next time we see him he was barely adequate against our crappy team.

          What about that says to you give the man $40 million guarantees?

          • Bear Instincts

            “I sort of understand your irrational hate for Trubisky. He took the
            spot on the Bear’s roster you had reserved for double ACL tear”…..savage will. absolutely savage

          • willbest

            I can understand not liking the pick, but it seems silly to say we could have had X, when X had a known injury history and then proceeded to get injured. Hooker is another guy that came with injury concerns, who is now injured. And while ACL isn’t as bad as it was, with modern medicine, its still pretty serious and can limit players games.

            And the other thing is pining over guys that aren’t really showing more than Trubisky. We could have had Thomas! he isn’t doing a whole lot. We could have had Adams or Lattimore, and they are showing something. But then so is Foster, and he went #31. Which would have been a huge overpay if we drafted him #3. Same with TJ Watt, who wasn’t even considered a top 10 talent but when #30

          • Bear Instincts

            I’m starting to realize that Bears fans are ungrateful and don’t know what they want.
            We have been in QB purgatory for an eternity and now we finally have one. Instead of supporting the kids fans are asking for his head on a platter. Totally irrationally but that’s why they are called fanATICS.

            I was on the wagon for Adams or the TE Howard but I came around right before the draft when I considered the value of Rodgers/Brady/Big Ben to their teams. Once you have the QB in place you can focus on other parts of the team.

            I’m all for letting Pace ride out his contract/picking his next HC (Harbaugh/Shaw) and building a roster around MT10 that can compete. fanATICS seem to forget what life was like before Pace got here….cutty and an aging defense

          • SC Dave

            What you fail to understand is we DO NOT KNOW whether we “have one” or not.

          • Bear Instincts

            MT10 is all we have. I’m not saying not to criticize him but do it in context (rookie with 13 before he replace giraffe gaffe/HC who has never groomed a rookie QB/conservative HC who does not understand modern nfl offense/lack of playmakers)

          • Sactowns#1

            You mean winning records and a Super Bowl appearance?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Every player in the NFL has had injuries in college.

      • BerwynBomber

        My suspicion is the same: Pace is here through the end of ’19.

        • BearDown100393

          Virginia likes to ogle him. He ain’t going nowhere.

      • When a GM drafts a QB in the top 5, that’s the pick that makes or breaks his career.

        Trubisky will get until at least 2019, and thus so will Pace. If Trubisky proves worthy of an extension by that point, Pace gets one too.

        • I think so too (and for those in Da League, that’s why I named it PaceBot 2019)

          I thought that maybe we would be contending by then, but I’ll be happy with a winning season.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I don’t see how Pace’s copntyract is tied to MT’s. IAgain, he was a coin-toss. Watson or MT. If the other deciosiosn don’t pan out, and they’re not really,a re they? Then he must go. It’s been three years, that’s all I give any incoming set. They have failed.

      • BearDown100393

        The McCaskeys will sell the team before firing Pace with anything significant remaining on his contract.

    • Trub’s a YUGE risk (see, handle) but hey, Pace went all-in.

      Floor: Jake Locker (Athletic, but nit-wit with poor accuracy)
      Room: Alex Smith/Tyrod Taylor (Can run & throw some, but a bit cuckish)
      Ceiling: Wentz (he’s got the raw talent)

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        He is the second coming of Joe Montoya

      • BerwynBomber

        He doesn’t have Wentz’s raw talent IMV. A better arm, yes, but definitely not the same athlete. Wentz is three inches taller and more agile. More instinctive. More gym ratty.
        It’s like the Rodgers/Cutty pure athletic comparisons back in the day. In a pure 40 they were probably neck and neck. Hell, Cutty might have even beaten him by a hair. But in terms of agility. No fucking contest. Rodgers all day long.
        Plus, Wentz has the most command of any 2nd QB since Peyton.
        I cannot fathom Bisky making a jump like that.

        • I absolutely think Trub is as athletic as Wentz. He’s not as big, but he’s a solid 6’2 225. Speed, agility (see that 4rth down run vs Lions), arm.

          Instinct is just another word for reps. Wentz has had them (from college to now), Trub hasn’t (in a real O).

          I was close to putting Rodgers as his comp/ceiling because he might be a bit closer to that in frame but I think Trub can run the R/O more like Wentz.

          Also, not saying Trub will hit his ceiling in yr 2 esp under a new system with some unknown coach.

          But I think Wentz’ yr 2 would be Trub’s ceiling down the road, maybe 2019-20.

          Of course, by then, he could also hit his Locker floor and be out of the league in 5 yrs.

          • BerwynBomber

            There’s a difference between speed and agility. Wentz, a’la Rodgers/Wilson/(early) Romo pulls off 360’s in the pocket and can juke the best tacklers in the game.

            Bisky has good speed. He can run. And he moves well in the pocket. But I don’t see that freakish stuff as I see with Wentz.

            Realistically, I think Bisky’s ceiling is Goff. A guy who is performing very well but doesn’t have Wentz’s command. And yes, Bisky is a better athlete than Goff.

            But Wentz is no worse than third in the MVP race (Brady, Wilson). I can’t imagine Bisky in that position next year.

          • No, I don’t think Trub will be Wentz next yr.

            I think his apex in his career will be sophmore Wentz.

            (If he hits his ceiling)

            I actually believe Trub will be rather bad next yr, esp if he has to learn a WCO.

  • CanadaBear

    Glad the Bears shut down Kyle. Way too late but save a little wear and tear and get a jump on that shoulder surgery. It might not be the only surgery he has this off season.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      finally, they gave into Kyles whining. I bet Howie was even a little embarrassed by his son’s constant whining about “injuries”

      • CanadaBear

        I think you should go back to the Braverman hooey.

        • willbest

          We don’t accept failure.

          • BearDown100393

            I don’t.

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          Rumor is Howie wishes his son was more like Braverman, and he tried to adopt him.

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  • DaCoaches Mustache

    I 100% want Dave Toub. I don’t see it happening. Paceroo is in such hot water, he’s not going to risk his GM Future on a special teamer. Sucks. Someones going to hire him, and someones going to win a lot of games with him as HC. We’ll probably hire Jeff Fisher.

    • Bear Instincts

      What is so special about Toub?…see what I did there

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      HC Fisher, DC Fox, OC Trestman. Let’s make this happen!!!!

      • Bear Instincts

        emery&angelo as co gm

      • willbest

        Its a little early in the day to be drinking HBP

        • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

          it’s like the holy trinity of coaching!

      • Don’t forget Kromer for Oline coach.

    • Dave Fauxb

      Too bad, so sad.

    • Pace will hire Ted Phiilps Jr.

  • EnderWiggin

    FF:

    Special thanks to Deadlift for another successful DaLeague regular season.
    6-7 is not very good, but I’ll take it after starting 0-6.
    I have the 2nd highest projection this week (love the two week playoff games), so I like my chances at a 5th place finish.

    Thanks Butch – tons of effort in his weekly breakdown and shittalkin’.

    • It’s been competitive again. 80% of the teams had a shot these last two weeks to make the championship rds.

      Some odd stuff.

      Artoo scored like 200 less points than Willie but has like 4 more wins.

      Could only assume Artoo kept winning close and Willie kept losing close.

      Shady the defending champ got bumped last week by Fres i think.

      In spite pf losing ODB and David Johnson, Bears 505 still qualified for the championship bracket. Testament that tenacity can grind it out.

      And the strangest thing of all ‘ Waffles team is actually good!

      I BARELY beat him one week. He just beat down Shady.

      If he had actually started QBs he may have made the championship bracket, and w his Kamara , Aj Green, not an easy match.

      It’s been fun.

      Fred and Willie did well for semi nubes.

      • Juan Stone

        Hey Butch, team standings? Inquiring minds would like to know.

        • Bender McLugh

          seconded

  • willbest
    • willbest

      I am a purest. Win your Regional or GTFO

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      It is just a money grab.

  • Bear Instincts

    silly question: which of these HC options sees the game/offense through the eyes of the a 2nd year QB(MT10) ?

    that’s the guy i want as HC because hopefully he will be able to put MT10 and the rest off the offense in a position to succeed

  • Bear Instincts

    For all those who say get rid of MT10 or we spent too much to draft him or draft a new QB or are just out right down on the kids, what would your season be like if Pace had gone defense in the draft (Thoms/Adams) and we were stuck with Glennon/Butt Fumble for the whole season?

    • Yes but in that scenario we still have a shot at Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, etc in the next draft who many experts like waaaay more than Trub.

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        don’t always trust “experts”

        • That’s what Emery said when he drafted Shea over Chandler Jones and Mercilus.

          I don’t always trust the “experts”, esp when it comes to QBs.

          But if you’re given the chance at Luck coming out of college (without psychic abilities) , or Dak coming out of college 10/10 times you roll with Luck

          It was no secret that the 2017 QB class was viewed as weak, while the 2018 QB class was predicted to be strong.

          That’s why I would’ve preferred to wait.

          But hey, Trub could become something.

          Doesn’t mean playing the odds wouldn’t have been the smarter move.

      • Bear Instincts

        if MT10 had 4-5 years under his belt and was playing like he is not then sure you can look for a new QB. but considering his lack of experience/bad coaching/lack of weapons….give the kids a break

        • I’m not arguing he’s going to suck.

          I thought Trub was the best QB (albeit in a weak class).

          But I’m on record since b4 the draft that I would’ve waited to draft a QB in 2018

          My plan was.

          1 . Keep Hoyer for cheap
          2. Draft Peterman in the 4rth/5th
          3. Draft Solomon Thomas then Buddha at the top of the 2nd
          4. Sign REAL FAs like Poe, Baker, Alshon, Brown…
          5. Wait for Fox to suck, get a high draft pick
          6. Use 2018 high draft pick for QB to pair with new coaching regime

          That is what I proposed in April

          And That’s the way I would’ve gone.

          Coud be wrong, but just seemed like the most logical route to me.

          • Sactowns#1

            Preach!

          • willbest

            Solomon hasn’t exactly been taking the world by storm. Lattimore and Adams have been pretty solid. Trading back and grabbing TJ Watt looks like the dream scenario in retrospect.

            Change your QB to McCown who is now the 3rd player to win Offensive player of the week with 3 different teams. Favre and Fitzpatrick being the other two.

          • I mean, if I had psychic abilities in April, then the ideal situation would be to get Keenum, trade down for Watt or Lattimore, and pick up Foster with those extra picks.

            Drafting Ju-Ju would be nice too.

            But at that time, my mutant powers were not activated, so da Destroya seemed a decent route with a dice-roll QB in the mid-rds until we get our real HC/QB in ’18

          • willbest

            Well if you do too well for yourself you play your way out of a 2018 QB

          • That is true, but under Fox Keenum would probably be slightly better than Glennon, just enough to almost win, like Fox likes.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It was Fournette initially for me, but I would have given Watson a go. Let Cutty play out his contract. Certainly no trading-up shenannigans.

          • willbest

            Cutler had 4 more years on that contract.

  • Max

    Just checking thoughts on Frank Reich as HC and maybe bring Flip as his OC?

    I know Carson had way more experience at QB in college but I don’t think you can ignore the improvement Wentz had from year one to year two under those guys.

    • BerwynBomber

      I’m a little wary of guys who singular claim to fame is coaching a HoF-level talent, which is what Wentz looks like to me.

      For years we have been hearing about what a QB whisperer McCarthy is. Have you seen how Brett Hundley’s played in the seven games since Rodgers has been out? And Hundley has been under McCarthy’s tutelage for almost four years. Or how about Matt Flynn?

      Reich might be the goods but I would definitely want to see what he has done w/out Wentz.

  • willbest

    Goodell extended

    • Where’s Papa Pawn rap when we need one?

    • BearDown100393

      $40 million a year to shill for billionaires.

  • FF talk…

    Wow. Never really saw such a disparity in FF between Points For (PF) and losing record.

    Willie scored 1917 (most) yet finished 6-7

    Meanwhile, Artoo scored 1534 yet finished 8-5 (in Playoffs)

    So, what in the world happened to Willie?

    WK 1 Willie-V-Bears 505. Tie. – L

    But in Da League no draws. Bench breaks tie. 505 wins

    Wk2. Willie 130-Butch 132 – L

    Wk3. Willie 166. Waffle 123 – W

    Wk 4 Willie 140 – Artoo 141 – L

    WK 5 Willie 142-NBIT 84 – W

    Wk 6 Willie 100-Shady 135 – L

    Wk 7 Willie 192 – Fres 86 – W

    Wk 8 Willie 144 – Sac 166 – L

    Wk 9 Willie 140 – NBIT 76 – W

    Wk 10 Willie 117-505 128 – L

    Wk 11 Willie 186- Butch 148 – W

    Wk 12 Willie 135- Ender 143 -L

    Wk 13 Willie 178 – Artoo 109 – W

    Fres 6-7 . Highest point scorer. But missed championship bracket.

    If he had won those 2 matches vs. Willie and Artoo, he would have replaced one of them in the playoffs.

    So essentially his season came down to 3 points.

    Those are some tough beats. Crazy. Such is the FF life…

    • Bender McLugh

      interesting that bench breaks ties, I like that.

      Do you give points to return TD’s for the individual player, or just the DST?

      • Yeah, I actually got the idea about tie-breakers from “The League”. Figured bench would be better than racing bums at a park!

        https://youtu.be/rPa-Uxon2ek?t=1m12s

        And yes, players do get points for TD returns I think.

        DST def gets points for returns, sacks, fumbles

        And they get bonuses for safeties (I figure, they’re rare), blocked punts/K and extra extra bonuses for shut-outs (those super rare)

        • Bender McLugh

          and since you mentioned The League….

  • BearDown100393

    Pace is a Mitch Trubisky like GM who will probably hire a Mitch Trubisky like HC.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    No. 9 and No. 10 will not happen. Fox is gone…if not then might as well sit back and wait for the Earth-killing asteroid of the apocalypse because that is way more likely to happen in 2018. Mike McCarthy should know the Bears Organization pretty well being on our arch-rival team and that means he knows how the Bears Ownership works. You think Ted Thompson frustrates him well wait till he tries to work with the McCaskeys…Seriously? He’s not even close to that stupid to even talk about working for the Bears. Not many are actually now that I think about it.

    • BearDown100393

      A free Ditka’s dinner card probably locks up Grimace for life.

  • willbest

    I must have missed it, but why MT10? Why not just MT?

    • BearDown100393

      I dunno why Pacebot 2.0 and not Pacebot?

      • willbest

        Pacebot is up to 3.0, and the theory is that he is a robot with an artificial intelligence. Like all software that is of modest difficulty its given a version number to track its build iterations, with exceptionally significant modifications coming prior to the decimal.

        • BearDown100393

          Pacebot must be runnin’ Win ’98 with porn viruses.

    • Could be referring to Michigan Tech?

      (Is there a Michigan Tech? Mascot: the fighting adblocks)

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        There is a Michigan Tech. It’s like MIT but without the brains and money. And it’s in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. So basically Canada.

        • Holy shit, you’re right!

          And the mascot is Blizzard T. Husky

          https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nwHr-uBGWII/hqdefault.jpg

          • willbest

            those are high school chicks.

          • Maybe Blizzard T. Husky wants to run for Senator of Alabama!

          • willbest

            I was beginning to think that the reason I hadn’t heard from you on that topic is because it hit too close to home for you.

          • 18 yr old college chicks are legal last time I checked.
            14 yr old molested victims get Rep Senators elected and backed by prez.

            Go figure.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yup, bang an 18 year old and you’re good. Five minutes before her birthday and you’re a pedophile and get banged up yourself. Sleep with anyone younger and you’ve got to be famous like Elvis or Jerry Lee Lewis ‘to get away with it’.
            What an arbitrary world we live in.

  • willbest

    Serial sexual harasser Conyers Jr. taps his son as heir to his lordly title Earl of Detroit. Unfortunately this transition is not without squabbles. Conyers’ great-nephew is looking to usurp the estate and was aided today with the revelation that Conyers 3d was arrested for domestic abuse earlier this year.

    Incidentally, I doubt any of this actually matters to anybody on Conyers’ lands, and they would be more than happy to send a 90 year old with dementia back to the House probably on a 20-1 margin.

    • fishing florida

      I wasn’t aware conyers ever played for the bears. or, is he being considered as a bears coaching candidate?

      • BearDown100393

        Hated divisional rival

  • BearDown100393

    Stuart Smalley just quit.

    • Sactowns#1

      Don’t worry folks. When our lands have become uninhabitable and the air is too polluted to breath we can all rest easy in the fact that we ran those pesky harassers out of Washington.

      • Dis Guy Trublinsky

        Can’t we find leaders with a low carbon footprint and also don’t like groping women that don’t want to be groped?

        • Sactowns#1

          Sure. And they’ll most likely lose to the likes of Roy Moore.

          • SC Dave

            Or Al Franken

      • willbest

        You can take comfort in the fact that you will be long dead before that happens.

        • Sactowns#1

          Oh well in that case… let the destruction continue!

          • willbest

            Which is why I found it amusing that you wanted your final judgment to be done by history.

          • Well, let’s hope Idiocracy doesn’t become history.

            Not voting pedos to the senate or reality tv stars into the WH would probably be a good start.

          • willbest

            It takes somebody as stupid as a reality TV star to put the Embassy in a nation’s capital. Doesn’t he know that is just something you say to make the American jews happy and just ignore it later.

            Then again the 35 year old heir to the Saudi thrown probably doesn’t give a crap. Trump doing this probably helps him identify the next set of family members slated for collection.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sorry Will, there are children reading – it’s ‘throne’ and ‘purist’ for today ….

            I hate myself for it, but it’s a crusade.

          • Dis Guy Trublinsky

            It appears pedos and gropers are far more prevalent than I assumed.

          • I’m not at all surprised by any of this.

            Always said, alpha males in ANY profession tend to be ultra aggressive.

            Even in the arts which is viewed as “liberal” .

            I’ve read a lot of bios on artists, philosophers, etc and they were as misogynist as anyone.

            Picasso used to travel with his wife, and his mistresses.

            He punched then choked his prego girl, then left her for dead. He also ignored his son. His son committed suicide.

            Handel reportedly almost threw a singer off the balcony and warned if she changed a single note in his opera, he would finish it off and get away with it because he was Handel

            Socrates told his followers (including Plato) not to weep like women at his death, and was infamously hen-pecked

            Schopenhaur argued women will never be truly great at anything because they’re too petty and subjective.

            on and on and on…

          • SC Dave

            Butch, hate to tell you this, but history IS idiocracy.

          • willbest

            Oh on the topic of reproductive fitness from a non-tongue and cheek source, somebody studied Mensa and they found they are a sickly group.

            https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bad-news-for-the-highly-intelligent/

          • That confirms what most suspect.

            I seriously believe that a lot of ‘genius’ is rooted in physiological abnormalities which can lead to all sorts of illnesses, physical or psychological.

            I mean, the “Big Bang Theory” is practically based on this premise.

            My cousin who was the smartest kid I knew was always sickly.

            Turned out he had some hormone imbalance which stunted his growth.

            Of course, us being kids didn’t know any of that and just called him Willow.

      • Irish Sweetness

        30-40 years, brother. As your kids are raising theirs. The game ends.

        • willbest

          World has been through worse than anything we can throw at it.

          • The world will survive.

            Humans?

            Predictalor says 29.907376%

            Humans going instinct might actually be better for the planet.

          • Malice Halice

            Joe Rogan has an amazing analogy of how human are like a virus to earth (n aliens refuse to make contact cuz we destroy everything and we’re not nice as a whole)-last part may not be as accurate but it’s worth to watch tho.

          • willbest

            Joe Rogan stole Agent Smith’s shtick?

          • Joe Rogan stole that virus analogy from the Matrix.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They all steal their shit fom Bill Hicks. Leary was doing it when the man was still alive.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sorry, that’s Bill Hicks, and he predates Teh Matrix also. He called us a virus with shoes.

          • willbest

            You presume a spinning rock, around a ball of fire, hurling through the vastness of nothing, has an objective range of states where “better” can be applied?

            Perhaps my sample size has been skewed through some sort of selection bias, but I find, generally, the people most concerned with the continued existence of the human race to be the childless. I have always wondered why that is.

          • “Better” as in “surviving”

            Ask the dodo .

          • willbest

            But unless we build a death star and focus it on this planet, we can’t “kill” the planet.

            And as you alluded to the planet belongs to the bacteria, we all are just visiting.

          • SC Dave

            It’s the other way around, will. Those without hope choose to not have children.

          • BearDown100393

            Might?

          • MIGHT, depending on the timeline of human extinction AND what you consider “planet”

            Scenario 1.

            Humans live another 1,000 yrs. Not exactly long in the grand scale of things, but the way we’re progressing technologically, it’s more than likely that by then we come up with some sort of asteroid defense (ala Atari)

            Otherwise, Earth will get pummeled by an asteroid sooner or later, and depending on how big the asteroid, it can utterly annihilate most life, or simply shatter the planet into a billion pieces, and the planet is space debris future aliens cruise through.

            “Planet” well, higher forms of life are definitely in danger from humans, but microscopic life, bacteria, insects, etc,,,they wouldn’t mind the higher prey getting nuked,

            They’ll be alright.

          • Irish Sweetness

            1000 years? How? I’ve got 40 max … re clean water …. petroleum … not blowing ourselves up … clean air …. over-population … 13M people in 40 years … at least?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Agreed. Look what we’ve done to it in a hundred years. Parasites.

          • SC Dave

            We are not about to go extinct.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not before the industrial revolution and nuclear warheads it hasn’t. 2000 of the fuckers we’ve detonated!

          • willbest

            You think we have done worse than Super Volcanos and SMODs?

      • SC Dave

        It only took SEVEN accusers for democratic females to find a problem with that reprobate.

  • BerwynBomber

    Goodell signs a five year/$200M extension. We can all rest easy.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21691975/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-signs-contract-extension

    • willbest

      I know I feel better about the direction of the sport already (he says in his best HBP voice)

    • Ugh. 5 more yrs of booing in EVERY rd of EVERY draft…

      Did he get his lifetime free jet?

      • willbest

        Its 5 more years on top of the 2 he already has. 2024 or bust baby

    • willbest

      Reads reasonably credible. She should have gone to the police, then again the crimes didn’t happen in her state of residence.

    • Dis Guy Trublinsky

      Well. He has good taste.

      I will never understand how a guy with everything finds himself in that position. I would think getting top shelf trim would be pretty damn easy for professional athletes, movie stars, etc.

      • BerwynBomber

        Entitlement. And because they DO think top shelf trim should be damn easy they presume all of it is theirs for the taking.

      • Malice Halice

        Men r just dumb. I’ve banged atleast 8 dimes in my 26 years of life n I ain’t barely got shit goin for myself except looks n swag. It’s not that difficult ESPECIALLY if u got all da materialistic shit bitches desire. I will admit that it’s WHOLE different ballgame when u in your late 40’s tryin to bang a chick 20+yrs your junior…. Money is most likely involved. My coworker is 42 (looks young tho) n he shows me snaps n text from young chicks he bang all da time for NO FEE! Why? Cuz da man got game.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Money is never involved?

          • Malice Halice

            Never has n never will for me. As for my coworker I don’t think so cuz ive been to the bar with him once n he held his own around my demographic of women.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I mean … money is ALWAYS involved. Even if you don’t see it. The most expensive whores aren’t whores, they’re high society flange.

    • Malice Halice

      Not too shabby

    • Irish Sweetness

      When you wrap a phone cord around your wife’s neck, you’re capable of a lot of things.

  • For those GM searchers…

    According to PFT’s Mike Florio, ex-Panthers GM Dave
    Gettleman’s name is “already making the rounds in some league circles as
    the most likely candidate” for the Giants’ GM vacancy.

    Gettleman was a surprise late-summer firing in Carolina back in July. He’s known as a solid talent evaluator and drafter, but Gettleman didn’t have great relationships with veteran players in
    Carolina. Maybe it was a learning experience for the 66-year-old. Before landing the GM job in Carolina back in 2013, Gettleman worked in the Giants’ front office under now-fired GM Jerry Reese. – Roto

    • Didn’t the Chief’s GM get fired too out of nowhere?

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Accorsi recommended him to the Panthers.

  • willbest
  • BuddhaJoe

    Ok so I admit I don’t know who should be coach next year but all of these choices just seem fucking terrible except maybe Payton. And he’s basically the offensive version of Lovie, but he wouldn’t have Brees either.

    • BearDown100393

      Has a ring

      • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

        No HC has a ring with 2 different teams.

        • willbest

          How many HC have tried with a second team after winning one with the first?

          • BearDown100393

            Lombardi

          • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

            Parcell, Jimmy Johnson, Ditka, Holmgren, Vermeil, Shannahan, Seifert,Tom Flores, Don McCafferty, Hank Stram, and Lombardi

        • Irish Sweetness

          Dikka does!! Well, he was an AC ….

  • FF standing in Da League (per request)

    Season standings

    Championship Bracket

    #1 Sasheen Sex Machines..….10-3 (Moi)…… 1901 PF; 1577 PA
    #2 Prince Akiem and Sitton..…9-4 (505)……1760 PF; 1556 PA
    #3 Big Trub in lil Chi Town..…9-4 (Sac)……..1740 PF; 1562 PA
    #4 John Snow…….…………….8-5.(Artoo)…..1534 PF; 1638 PA

    Consolation Bracket

    #5 Biskuits & Titties………6-7 (Ender)……1702 PF; 1689 PA
    #6 Willie Vanilli.………….6-7 (Willie)…….1917 PF; 1618 PA

    #7 Bi Glennon…..……….6-7 (Shady)……1560 PF; 1620 PA
    #8 Tupic Poseur…………4-9 (Waffle)…..1456 PF; 1689 PA

    #9 Cohen’s White Rabbi……..3-10 (NBIT)…….1369 PF; 1772 PA
    #10 Fresno BearBeerBrats…..4-9 (Fres)……..1386 PF; 1604 PA

    Commish notes

    – I started off the season with Hoyer/Palmer/Kizer (2QB league)
    – Bears 505 lost both David Johnson and ODB . STILL made the playoffs
    – Sac stashed Luck on IR the whole season but really rode the Watson train
    – Artoo lost Vadgers, scored 400 less than Willie, yet made the playoffs

    ….

    – Ender started off 0-6! Koo kicked off his season to lose in heartbreaking fashion
    – Willi technically the highest scorer but missed playoffs. Gambled on Zeke. Snake-eyes.
    – Shady drafted Freeman, Murray, Alshon, Fournette, Ingram and Fitz & STILL somehow lost title.
    – Waffle actually has a good team! esp the Kamara pick up. Paid $26 for Cutty though.
    – NBIT drafted Olsen/Gronk, but both missed a lot of games. Amari Cooper killed him
    – Fres went WR heavy with Jordy, Hilton, Evans but they all busted.

    • Malice Halice

      I’m #8 playing #1 in the first week of playoff n I’m seriously considering benching Jordan Howard for Peyton Barber because Howard fucked me over 2 weeks in a row n I barely made the playoffs. So if I start this man again n he goes for less than 9 points (which I’m not doubting) I’m over this team. Way too much money at stake here for me to lose due to my blind worship of this team (started Tarik atleast 6 times, Shaheen, AAAAND MT10. Pots 1k, my girl is at #3 as well.

      • I’m sitting Howard. He had a PRIME matchup vs 9ers, and Fox fucked him.

        I’m not starting him until that O shows it’s not playing in the Ike era.

        I may actually start Gio Bernard who I picked up off the waiver wire for $1.

        Always try to start RBs who play against shitty teams who have quit since November like the Bears.

        • Malice Halice

          Ah! I have gio Bernard on my team as well. Few sources claim this Peyton Barber guy could take over the job in Tampa, playing against the colts.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And that Seahawks dude, Mike Davis ?

          • You trust a Seahawks HB in the playoffs?

            You’re braver than I.

            Though I am starting Dion Lewis and Gio over Hunt and Howard.

            Go bold or go home!

            Artoo has kush matchups this week too. Deum.

    • FresnoBear88

      It was fun. I missed the draft and spent the whole season using duct tape to keep it together somewhat. Next year I’ll remind myself not to get drunk the night before.

      • Haha I missed more than one starting lineup due to hangover Sun morning.

        But the great thing about our bidding waiver wire is that you can still build your roster throughout the season.

        It’s rare for a team to start the same players drafted.

        For instance, I drafted Kizer, Hoyer, Palmer for QB.

        13 weeks later, I’m starting Keenum and Alex Smith.
        I drafted Howard and Hunt. I’m likely starting Dion Lewis and Gio Bernard (who I just got)
        I traded for Julio.
        I might have to start some scrub TE cuz Ertz is concussed.

        In fact, I think the only dudes I drafted I’m starting this week is Bell and Michael Thomas, and I’m very tempted to start Roby Anderson over the latter.

        And lots of teams are like that, so the draft isn’t everything.

        Fuck, Waffle got Kamara for like $1 and he’s been tearing it up.

        But yeah, now that you kinda got the hang of it, should be good to roll next season.

        I’m likely just gonna re-open the same league, and hopefully get 2 more (Irish, GP!)

  • BerwynBomber

    Anyone following Derrick Rose of late?

    Seems like he is a team cancer at this point. He goes AWOL for three weeks and CLE goes on a 12 game winning streak (after struggling while he was there). Now he has decided to return to their team. Yikes.

    • willbest

      They signed him to a 1-year 2.1 million deal. They should just cut him.

      • BerwynBomber

        Agreed. How could you ever trust someone like that. Insane.

        • willbest

          That is league min. I presume they thought of it like buying a lotto ticket.

    • “Modestly” Huge Bears Penis

      Not like he could play, he suffered a ankle injury before he disappeared. Still does not make it acceptable, he should have been working with team trainers on rehab.

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  • Sean Rooney

    Should have just given Trestman another couple years. Fox was a zero% improvement. Lol

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