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Why This Matt Barkley Shit is Upsetting People

| December 20th, 2016

Since creating America’s favorite hashtag – #Barkleytime – nearly a month ago, the conversation surrounding the future of the Bears at quarterback has changed. Punches have been thrown. Followers have been blocked on Twitter. Marriages have ended up in front of a mediator.

The framed, autographed Dick Butkus jersey…?

He can have that.

Matt Barkley arrived at Soldier Field.

He played three quarters against the Tennessee Titans that left fans clamoring for the days of Jonathan Quinn, Medicine Woman and CFL legend Henry Burris. He looked ill suited to the speed and difficulty level of the league. He was every bit the non-professional folks like me said he would be.

Then, something changed. Barkley put together a dynamic and rousing fourth quarter. He threw the ball effortlessly through the Titans zone and when the Titans left zone, relatively quickly, he required little more effort.

Three more games have been played and aside from the start of the third quarter against Green Bay this past Sunday, Barkley has looked every bit like an NFL starter. So why, why, why are fans and media types so reluctant to acknowledge what is happening on the field? Why has Barkley’s performance caused so much debate in Bears circles?

The answers are not simple.

Answer #1. “He’s Matt Barkley. We Know What He Is.”

Problem is, we don’t. Nobody does. John Fox: “He’s probably turned a lot of peoples heads.”

Barkley was drafted by Chip Kelly at Philadelphia, in the fourth round, into a system he had zero chance of fitting. Chip canned. Barkley gone after seeing a few mop-up snaps in losing efforts.

Bruce Arians brought Barkley to Arizona and Barkley struggled to find consistency in the preseason. Arians, this summer:

Have you seen progression with Barkley?

“Up and down. He’s like a yo-yo.”

Arians is not a young coach and the Cardinals (with someone else around here) believed they were title contenders this season. He was never carrying three QBs on Sundays and Drew Stanton is one of the game’a most reliable backups.

Barkley is not some ten-year journeyman who has blown multiple opportunities to start in the league. He’s a 26 year-old talent who has never been given an opportunity to start a game with a full week of practice and game planning until November 2016.

Answer #2. Cutler Fatigue, or The Fallacy of Physical Tools

Greg Gabriel, the former Bears scout, is an asshole. It just took me a lot longer than most who’ve engaged him on Twitter to realize this. But Gabriel’s argument against Barkley is not uncommon in league circles.

“Arm strength”.

What does this mean? When analyzing quarterbacks coming out of college, criticizing their arm strength used to mean they were unable to make all the throws required of a pro QB. Tim Tebow threw a lovely deep ball but he couldn’t connect on a ten-yard out. Chad Pennington could dink and dunk you to death and was smarter than all eleven defenders combined but he was never going to fit a pass to the tight end in the seam with the safety closing.

Here’s the truth: arm strength doesn’t mean as much anymore. So much of the NFL passing attack resembles the college spread game now. Quick reads. Bubble screens. Slant reads against the blitz. Is Matt Barkley going to take the lid off defense and hit deep balls like Brady or Rodgers? No. But there’s probably only 6-8 quarterbacks who can do that.

You know who was critiqued for a lack of arm strength early in his pro career? Drew Brees. You know neve had a particularly strong arm? Peyton Manning. Barkley not only hasn’t struggled with arm strength. He has played one game in a storm and another in -10 wind chill. On both occasions he threw it beautifully.

Answer #3. Pack Mentality

It would suck to be the one member of the media to say, “Go with Barkley” and then be wrong. Brad Biggs would shove your lunch tray onto the cafeteria floor. Adam Jahns would put you in a locker.

Think of the things you’ve heard.

  • Barkley is a backup. Not a starter.” What the hell does this mean? Through four games you’ve seen enough to believe Barkley can play quarterback at pro level but not enough to believe he should start the games?
  • Barkley is playing well but Bears should still draft a QB in the first round.” Okay, why? If the Bears had drafted Dak Prescott last year in the fourth round and he delivered the four games Barkley just did, would you be making the same argument?

Both of these opinions have the same subtext. Yes, I’m seeing a capable quarterback but I am going to choose a conservative route, not totally believe it, and encourage the Bears to bring in additional help.

Answer #4. Nobody Has Any Idea What They’re Talking About…

…but everybody thinks they do.

Isn’t this just possible? The truth is Barkley has earned the opportunity to compete for he starting role. All the rest is noise.

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  • Irish Sweetness

    First to say .. I beat you to it Mike.

    • SC Dave

      *Right now*, it appears that losing Barkley to retain Cutler would be a mistake.

      • how about now?

        • SC Dave

          haha… you baisterd!

    • Bender McLugh

      how would keeping Cutty mean losing Barkely? I don’t follow

      • Irish Sweetness

        We’d be paying Cutty 13 .. .14 million whatever … and Barkley is a RFA. We’d have to pay him quite a bit. I don’t see Pace rolling like that.

        • BerwynBomber

          16M all told for Cutty …

          • Irish Sweetness

            12.5 basic plus sundries? Okay …. so can we sign Barkley to 4M/year. I don’t know. I could see a team giving a first for Barkley. He’s not a rookie, no teething problems to go through. Battle-tested. He’s ready. So you’ve pretty much got to sign Barkley to a starting NFL QB’s contract, no? Can’t do that AND pay Cutty 16M …

  • SC Dave

    Precisely, Jeff. Vehemently agree on all points.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Bruce Arians brought Barkley to Arizona ”

    Pass protection in Arizona is, currently, a myth, and it was in pre-season, as well.

    • SC Dave

      Certainly seems to me that Arians is not all that after all.

      If he performed in Chicago as he is now, with that roster, fans would be out with torches and pitchforks.

      • BerwynBomber

        Still a good HC. Just the biggest whiner in the league. By a mile. Not a good look.

        • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

          He loves him the F bomb

          • Irish Sweetness

            He just seems like a very insecure man to me. I never got the Arians love. Did he pick the team? With the offense and defense they have .. he’s under-achieving to me. If you can’t manage your own body ….

  • Bender McLugh

    Barkley not only has earned an opportunity, he also grants the Bears the “luxury” of not needing to draft a QB in the first 1-2 rounds & not needing to spend a ton on one in FA. #BarkleyTrain

    • Best case scenario? Some jank trades us 5 picks to move up to our 3/4 slot in the draft, Barkley’s success leads to a steakhouse on the Magnificent Mile, and John Fox becomes the first HC in NFL history to win a ring with 2 different teams.

      • Bender McLugh

        a girl can dream

      • Scharfinator

        He’s never won a ring…?

        • Johnnywad

          But there’s still time…….

        • it would be worth 2.

  • BillW

    I want to see GB miss the playoffs – they’ve made it some large number of times in a row, and a few of those like this year may be. When they absolutely suck for a stretch and yet manage to get in with a surge at the end.

    I know they will lose in Round 1 – and yet the press will “forgive” them and talk over and over about what a great finish they had. Without caring to mention that a really good team is not so inconsistent – they just go out and take care of business.

    But they are in position to win the division or the last WC. It is commendable that they are like the monster that looks dead but comes back to life for one more spree before being killed off for good.

    As optimistic I am about the Bears for next year, it kills me a little to know once again we kept their playoff drive alive when we could have killed it.

    Regarding Barkley – since the QB crop is supposed to be weak, I’m very glad to see his emergence. No pressure to reach – and we have a lot of needs that can be filled with that pick – wherever it ends up. Pace needs to hit an extra base hit with this one. I’m not one for trading down – except if you’re JErry Angelo.

    • Jay

      I’m ok with losing this sunday’s game. Hurts a little in the pride department, but we proved a hell of a point while not hurting our draft spot. We CAN stand toe to toe against a team that’s likely going to end up in the playoffs, if not the division winners. We CAN make big stops on Defense in clutch moments (sometimes…), we CAN put points on the board with the weapons we have at QB, WR, and RB. Now what we need to be able to do is finish. We were terrible in the second half in a LOT of games this year, mostly on defense. Our O-line finally looks good, but we need some depth. We need better defensive backs – our current starters really should be 2nd stringers at best.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’d like the depth to be provided by Leno and Adams. We’ve looked like a team that needs two tackles since forever.

        Julius Peppers is not a speed rusher and he just blew by Leno like he was stuck in the mud. That shit has been happening since .. .forever. Massie isn’t dominant. I haven’t seen a lot of Adams. Two new tackles please. At least draft a LT.

  • SC Dave

    From Da Blog:

    “The Bears had not allowed a rush of more than 30 yards this season but permitted runs of 61, 42 and 36 yards on Sunday.

    On Montgomery’s 61-yarder, John Timu, Pernell McPhee and Adrian Amos all tried and failed to make tackles. On Christine Michael’s 42-yard touchdown run, the Packers running back bounced off LeBlanc. The Bears have been a fairly sure-handed tackling defense all season, but that certainly wasn’t the case Sunday. ”

    Why do we *always* suck the most against Green Bay? I just don’t get it.

    • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

      The Bears D is like a 18 year old runaway tatted up tramp: they get pissed on during the crunch

      • CanadaBear

        No wonder Butch is a Bears fan.

    • BillW

      “Why do we *always* suck the most against Green Bay? I just don’t get it.”

      I wonder this too. But maybe it’s the opposite – maybe GB somehow gets up more for the Bears than the reverse. It may have something to do with small town / big town. I would imagine – and in fact have heard stories – that those two games are far and away more significant to the fans. The players hear about it all year long – and I suspect they can’t go anywhere without being recognized. Especially the black players, since I suspect the “commoner” black population in GB is rather small.

      • BerwynBomber

        They have Rodgers and we don’t. Before this they had Farve and we didn’t. (Though a few of those Holmgren teams were a load even beyond Farve.)

        Montgomery’s game was an anomaly. My sense is Fangio was obsessed with game-planning against Rodgers, and our rush D might have suffered for it. Couple that with back-ups at ILB and crap safeties, not to mention Montgomery playing out of his mind, and you end up with something like Sunday.

        • BillW

          And yet – who was the better team on Sunday? Not a clear cut answer. The result says GB, and yet even if conceding that – by how much? Very little.

          And I do mean TEAM, including coaching, attitude, adjustments, reaction to adversity, and in particular, GBs play after taking a large lead.

          • BerwynBomber

            Well, Rodgers made the play at the end, if it gives you any consolation. And he was playing on two bum legs. And one of his receivers dropped two sure TDs. And though he couldn’t run, his pocket navigation was still best in the league. And he protected the ball at all times. Etc.,, etc., etc. ….

            Sorry, not trying to oversimplify things. But the guy is a sure-fire HoF QB capable of lifting a team on his back. We’ve never really had that here except maybe with Luckman whom none of us ever saw and is as distant and real as a dinosaur.

            But yes, other than that, I think GB is overrated and mediocre. Both their players and their coaches and their front office. Rodgers gives that whole organization cover.

          • CanadaBear

            I think some of Erin’s injuries are a bit overblown. He out ran Wille to the sideline on one play and didn’t look all that injured. To me, he’s such a douche I could see him milking the injuries for more adulation.

          • BerwynBomber

            Can’t go there with you. At that point you’re saying Cutler faked his NFCC injury. I actually think Rodgers is tougher than he is given credit for. He plays through some shit that sidelines half the QBs in the league.

            We hate him but the dude’s a gamer. Though I do wonder if some of it is the result of having to live up to Farve’s iron man standard.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The team doctor pulled Jay off in that game, no? I thought that was well documented.

          • CanadaBear

            Not saying he’s a pussy at all. Just that he loves the media spotlight and his limping seemed to come and go. I’m sure he’s dinged up but so are most QB’s at this stage of the season. You see it all the time in the NFL. Some WR drops a sure completion, he gets up limping. RB fumbles, he gets up limping. etc.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I contend that anyone with a strong arm makes that play, because we just weren’t interested in rushing him in any way. Nelson was 5 yards behind LeBlanc streaking down the middle of the field. If I’m the DC, Rodgers isn’t even on the field in the 4th Qtr. He didn’t have a great game for me. Plus, those QBs really milk any sniff of an injury for all it’s worth, you know they do. They’re all prima donnas.

        • CanadaBear

          That was my take. The Bears were more than willing to let the Fudge run, they just were terrible at tackling and being at the right spot.

          • SC Dave

            It’s always something. And that’s the point.

        • Irish Sweetness

          A-Rod didn’t throw a TD pass last night. Barkley had a higher completion % and threw for more yards. I’d point at the GB defense and shooting ourselves in the foot (and the refs) as reasons why GB won. I didn’t see A-Rod do anything special on Sunday. He was given all day to find Nelson streaking down the field to end it. We let him do that.

          But yeah, godammit, they have our number. So much so that the conspiratorial cynic in me comes out ….

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    At his best, fulfilling all the potential he has – he is Kirk Cousins.

    And as we saw last night, Cousins ceiling hit when teams got serious about scouting his tendencies.

    • willbest

      Panthers have been shall we say inconsistent.

  • That Guy

    On the QB search in general:

    1. Cutler isn’t sticking around – he’s too expensive to sit on the bench and the team knows it needs to move on. Barkley and Hoyer are the only other veterans currently on the roster that have played well enough to justify staying next year. There is no reason why we should not keep at least one of them.

    2. Barkley will not get a $100M contract next year, but he also won’t sign a $2M one year deal. He will get a deal like the ones McCown, Osweiler or Matt Flynn signed. The elusive mid-range deal. That is worth it to have a quality QB on the roster. But the other names getting similar money should serve as a warning about those ready to go all in.

    3. Therefore, I still favor committing substantial draft resources to grab a rookie. I do not favor drafting in the first round for the sake of drafting (Christian Ponder?), but I also believe Pace has not been aggressive enough in the draft to date. If the team believes there is a starting quarterback to be had, we should go get him – even it means trading up to #1.

    4. Our worst case scenario on Barkley is Brock Osweiler. The Texans just went all in on him; there defense is win-now; and they’ve now benched their chosen savior. Our best case scenario is Drew Brees or Alex Smith – Barkley gets better and better and becomes the long term starter for a playoff ready offense.

    5 – But our other best scenario is Matt Flynn’s run in Seattle – the security of having Barkley prevents us from over-reaching in the draft but doesn’t stop us drafting a QB high; then we draft a solid prospect who impresses in camp and ends up winning the starting job for years to come. I wouldn’t be upset if that happened – Barkley might be a little disappointed till he cashed those game checks and realized he could be cut and signed by another team for more money a year later.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agree specifically with #3. I’m glad we “found” Barkley — it makes jettisoning Cutler even easier — but it shouldn’t deter us from drafting a QB. Heck, I’d draft one in each of the next two drafts provided one was a 3rd rounder or later.

      Spin the wheel. The payoff could be too huge not to.

      • SC Dave

        I dunno. There is a potentially large opportunity cost missing on yet another QB.

        The Chicago Bears and successful drafted QBs are not exactly historically correlated.

        • BerwynBomber

          We miss on many other positions beyond QB and the payoff on the latter could be exponentially larger. Plus, we seemingly have a decent Plan B in Barkley.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Again, can anyone point to data on David Fales not being a good QB? Is there a shred? I was impressed with the little I’ve seen of him, we signed him back … and not because he knew the offense, else we would have started him instead of Barkley. I hope we can keep him on the PS. Keeping him around like they are is evidence of commitment to development of a young QB, no?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            we signed him in desperation and he was familiar with the playbook. let it go. not good. if he was good like you say he would have been starting in front of barkley.

          • willbest

            For some reason Irish is incapable of reading the fact “There are 6 weeks left to play, and Fales is literally the only QB not on IR in the entire universe that has seen the playbook” and coming to the conclusion that the Bears are desperate.

        • BillW

          Not that I’ve looked for it, but I’ve never seen an article trying to define – with all the history behind it – what might be contributing factors on making a college QB successful in the NFL.

          I think of so many first round busts and the stat-head in me refuses to believe there aren’t some factors that can be identified. Cade McNown and Johnny Manzel were assholes. I doubt there are many if any talented asshole college QBs that made it in the pros.

          What else? A desire to keep working hard would be one factor. Not feeling entitled. That helps explain Brady and Rodgers in my mind. But in math terms, that may be necessary but certainly not sufficient.

          I’m beginning to agree with Jeff that arm strength is overrated. To me, that’s a “nice to have”. Did McMahon have arm strength?

          A desire to win seems to be another one – though difficult to measure. We know Vandy had a bad record – did that bother Cutler? With the Bears, it never seemed to bother him like other QBs that he didn’t succeed as he was projected to. But I often felt it may have been his diabetes that kept him from getting too emotionally high or low.

          It just seems like players drafted high like Peyton Manning who live up to it are so very rare it’s almost better to not even consider a first rounder. Take someone with a great work ethic, obvious flashes of talent but still in need of development, a recognized leader in college, but not truly full of himself, and ability to and desire to always keep learning.

          I think there are more of them out there than we realize. Every couple years a Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott comes along “out of nowhere”.

          • That Guy

            You’re a stat head. Look around the league and make a list of “good enough” QBs, meaning quarterbacks that are good enough that their team has a confirmed starter. So Cousins, Prescott or Bortles are on the list even if they aren’t “elite.” There are 20+ guys on that list.

            More than half of them are first round picks. If picking a QB is the same as throwing darts at a list on the wall, then you might as well aim for the first round.

          • BillW

            I hear you, and yet take a step further. Do they remain starters because of the financial and reputational commitment the team made in them? Do certain guys not get chances to develop (reps with the first or even second team) but maybe can eventually be better?

            The league has skewed that position to be even more important than it was back in the 80. And yet they don’t do anything (like QB development camps) to keep the supply stocked.

          • CanadaBear

            Bill I’m guessing a lot of NFL QB’s are assholes they are just smart enough to keep it from the media. Elite athletes that aren’t full of themselves has to be about the same odds as seeing a unicorn.

          • Sactowns#1

            Are you saying Peanut isn’t elite?

          • willbest

            Exception that proves the rule? But he isn’t going to Canton.

          • Sactowns#1

            YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH RIGHT NOW!!! Peanut is the exact type of player who should be in Canton. The man changed the game!

          • willbest

            He really does. Apparently punching another player is a penalty, but being able to hit the ball avoids that. Considering the ball is moving at say 15 mph and he is moving at 15 mph along a different vector its pretty difficult to do it with any sort of reliability.

          • CanadaBear

            No, I’m saying there’s a very good chance Peanut is full of himself. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy. I’ve got friends that are full of themselves but have been successful in life and have every right to be proud of it. They just take it a little too far.

          • BillW

            Yeah – so I guess I mean public assholes.

          • BerwynBomber

            Butch posed that question earlier in the year: name a top QB who isn’t a douche? I went with Brees, but after that options ran thin.

          • That Guy

            Brady’s personality fits his team like a glove. Manning’s too. Though they’re both like Michael Jordan – a little too competitive to want to play a friendly game of checkers with.

            Dunno, its not just the QB aspect. Its also the new money thing – a lot of them go from being poor college athletes eating rahmen and cafeteria food to millionaire celebrities overnight. That changes a person.

          • BerwynBomber

            But you’re talking leaders of offenses and football teams. Not human beings. And lack of arrogance.

            Plus, I think we’re talking somewhat tongue-in-cheek about these guys. It was kind of a joke.

          • CanadaBear

            He seems really normal considering his mother really wasn’t.

          • BerwynBomber

            True. Sounds like Rodgers might come from an F-ed up clan too. I suppose the ideal is to have some guy who comes from a solid, no-drama family like the Mannings or Brady or Luck, etc. But who the hell knows?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t know Fitzy, but he’s wicked smaht .. and he’s got a big old beard. I bet he’s cool.

          • That Guy

            I dunno, there are a lot of genuinely high character guys in the NFL; you just don’t hear about them as much.

            For example, I have no reason to think anyone who has played on Bears offensive line for the past few years isn’t a high character teammate. Kyle Long in particular is awesome. OL is generally the best behaved group, but that’s a start.

            Barkley is supposed to be a good dude. Likewise McCown. Cutler, for all the media hate, is pretty well liked by his teammates and certainly has a great work ethic.

          • CanadaBear

            I didn’t say every NFL QB is an asshole. As far as Kyle and OL men, you can be full of yourself and still be a good person. I don’t know how any of these guys could become adults without being full of themselves. People have been fawning over most of them since they were single digits.

          • BerwynBomber

            Very true. Only thing that compares in US would be basketball players. With other sports that fawning privilege comes later.

            Star baseball players aren’t even all that in high school. Star football players? Carte blanche.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Arm strength – certainly in Cutty’s case – has done him no favors. If you have it, you’re likely to use it. Even when it’s not required.

      • Irish Sweetness

        So you’d straight up cut Shaw .. who’s probably better than Barkley? That’s dangerous.
        What if we lose Barkley to injury? Our backup QB is then a rookie. Not good. Shaw doesn’t get hidden on the PS, he gets signed by Minny or Detroit.

        There appears to be no logical reason to draft a QB when we only carry two. When you only carry two, both need to be ballers. Now.

        • willbest

          So your theory, having only seen Shaw play against backups with backups, is that he is probably better than Barkley who has been playing with backups against starters? And if it wasn’t for those backups would be 3-1 right now.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    Waffle will NOT be sending a gift basket to Ted Coffey at the Redeye this season:

    http://www.redeyechicago.com/sports/redeye-jay-cutler-column-nothing-left-to-see-here-bears-20161215-column.html

    • CanadaBear

      I agree with him on Cutler’s trade value.

    • Ouch

      “How any of these hashtag-wielding, unrepentant apologists have possibly
      persisted through the duration of Cutler’s Bears career is up there with
      Stonehenge as one of humankind’s great mysteries. It’s hard to pinpoint
      just what they’ve admired, considering his time in Chicago has amounted
      to a combination of unjustified hype, wildly inflated compensation,
      temper tantrums and basically total disappointment. He’s essentially the
      Gordon Ramsay of football.” –

      Well, better than the Rob Schneider of QBs like “Why your team sucks” argued he is.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The Gordon Ramsay of football would be Tom Brady or Drew Brees FWIW.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    I believe Alshon is coming back. I’m slowly moving into the minority on this but I still believe it.

    Sigh.

  • willbest

    I tend to think Barkley hate stems from being burned by too many QBs, and he isn’t our guy. He is a cast off. People want the Dak or Wilson feel good story. Plus its easier to believe that then you essentially found the next Kurt Warner.

    Like I said my entire aversion to moving on from Cutler stems from not having anybody who could be better than him. Barkley could. He could also regress to some McCown or Hoyer mean. But at the bears current state of development, it is worth that risk. And hey if he crashes and burns at least he leaves us in a good place to get his replacement

    • BillW

      Next two games are key. Washington still in the playoff hunt. Minnesota should be a win assuming they crap out against GB this week.

      Both teams have plenty of video on Barkley now – the point where many QBs of notice suddenly lose it.

      I thought that was the case Sunday, but now realize only one of his TOs was actually his fault.

      • CanadaBear

        The Queens will bring the D. Other than that, who knows?

      • BerwynBomber

        I wouldn’t chalk up MIN as an easy win.

        • BillW

          I think if they lose to the Pack, they might be down for the last game. I know we won’t be.

          • AlbertInTucson

            They will want revenge.

            It was the Bears who exposed them, on a Monday Night no less, and greased the skids for their slide.

    • CanadaBear

      Gotta agree. For the old guys on here, other than Mac, the only other QB to show much was one year of Erik Kramer. We can argue about Cutler all day but not much success there. Because of this it’s hard to wrap your head around actually getting a decent QB, let alone one on the cheap (for now). He looks better to me than any QB not named Cutler since a very brief spell of Jim Miller.

      • BillW

        Agree – I always thought in terms of guys you could win a SB with. I think since Mac it was only Kramer, Miller, Orton (a bit of a stretch maybe) and Cutler.

        Barkley could be that guy. It would be dumb to let him go.

        • CanadaBear

          Not sure any of those guys could put 3-4 complete games together in a row, esp Cutler and Orton.

          • BillW

            By “you can win a SB with” I don’t mean the QB is the reason – but that he is a functional piece in an overall excellent team.

            Of course you need the “excellent team”, which we never quite had. I’m just saying a super=star QB is not necessary IF the overall team is very good.

            So you COULD win a SB with those guys at QB if the team was excellent.

            Heck – we could have won a SB with Grossman, so I could certainly see it with the guys I mentioned.

          • SC Dave

            Orton more likely than Cutler imo.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    I’m glad he has 2 more games to play, because I am completely unsure what the fuck #Barkleytime is or isn’t. Is he the guy who looks great in the 2 minute drill? Or is he the guy who started the 3rd quarter this past week fumble, pick, pick? I don’t know. I have no idea. I don’t think he’s shown enough to be anointed the started in 2017 and beyond, but he should not be left out of the conversation. I know what Cutler is and I’m sick of watching it. Brilliant one game, dogshit the next.

    • CanadaBear

      100%

    • Irish Sweetness

      I want to see Shaw. Luckily we don’t have to pay him yet. Trade Cutty. Sign Barkley, let him and Shaw scrap it out .. though the staff likely know who’s better already. I guess it’s Shaw.

      • I submit the only way Shaw is on the active roster next season is if we don’t draft a QB.

        Other than that, I think he sticks on our PS while we carry Barkley/Hoyer.

        If some team comes snooping for Shaw, I believe POX can just cut some 5th WR and promote him to the 53

        • willbest

          Hoyer will not be on the team next year. Barkley is either QB 1 or QB 2 with Cutler as QB 1 or our top 5 drafted QB as QB 1

          • Irish Sweetness

            Wow, no Shaw fans?

          • willbest

            Shaw did enough to get a camp invite, and will almost certainly be our PS guy if Pace drafts a QB.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            NO.

        • Irish Sweetness

          In that scenario I want Fales on the PS, not Hoyer.

          • willbest

            Fales might be out of PS eligibility, I forget what the rules are but he has been around 4 years.

          • MB30SD

            Please god. I never want to hear that name again. Jesus

          • Huge Bears Penis

            At some point next year we will be hearing FALES to BRAVERMAN for the TD!!!!

          • In the 4rth Q of 4rth PS game vs Browns

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Like I said before, shit me a dam QB. I don’t care how you do it, just dam well do it.

      Hey you punks? Get off my dam lawn.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    ODB bitches about the fact Elliot won’t get fined over his Salvation Army celebration

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/20/odell-on-no-fine-for-ezekiel-elliott-imagine-if-i-did-that/

    • CanadaBear

      He’s probably correct but nobody cares. Pretty sure highlighting the Salvation Army on prime time didn’t hurt anyone’s feeling at NFL Corp HQ’s.

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        showboating street thug display: fined

        giving footballs to kids or charity based celebrations: allowed

        Roger has spoken. So say we all.

        • CanadaBear

          Those damn snow angels!

          • Scharfinator

            It’s because they’re racist.

          • BillW

            So the explanation was for the SF game the guy went to the ground to do it – as did another player. But Cobb for GB had fallen as so he was already on the ground.

            The harder they try to eliminate celebrations, the dumbe the rules get. Sort of like “what’s a catch”.

            Or maybe it’s what Scharf said.

          • CanadaBear

            The NFL has never heard the expression, “If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.”

          • willbest

            I thought it was that the whole team did it. IF it was just the first guy they would have been fine with it. I missed what Cobb did.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Did Howard get fined for wearing his purple cleats? They fined Brandon for his green ones …

      • willbest

        2 weeks ago, they had my cleats my story where the NFL let them where whatever they wanted.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Ah, okay.

  • I tend to side more with the position of Waddle and Silvy (or what I heard for the few minutes I had them on), Barkley should come back but what he’s done shouldn’t change any plans as far as QB goes. If Pace was looking at drafting one then draft the one he still was looking at, or if he was going to trade for one then do that as well. Personally I would like to see a number of guys competing for the job including (if still here) Cutler and not just handing it to anyone like the Rams did last year before any competition ever took place.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hi Ryan. Welcome.

      If the buzz is that Trubisky is the only first rounder … why would we be looking at drafting one from the nether regions? Plus, unfortunately Pace seems to believe in carrying only two QBs, which I think is cray cray. Then there’s the babysitting phase of a rook. I don’t like the idea of dropping either Barkley or Shaw to babysit a guy that mightn’t pan out. WE have two .. three if one counts Cutty. Drafting a QB at this point in our circumstances? I need that explained to me.

    • We already know what Cutler is. No need for a $15M backup.

      It’ll come down to Barkley/Hoyer competition.

      I know Hoyer has his haters, namely, he doesn’t throw deep. But he also doesn’t throw INTs, only got stripped once, and keeps the chains moving so the D can rest.

      That’s like catnip for conservative HCs.

      I think it’ll be a full-blown competition between the two.

      I actually would root for Barkley cuz he’s younger and as such can still learn.

      Barkley has also proven he can make clutch throws which is what teams need for the playoffs.

      I think Pace will draft a QB in the 2nd and beyond. If it is indeed the 2nd, then Pox will throw his hat into the ring, though I doubt the rook can beat out either Hoyer or Barkley in the short term, so likely sit and soak it all in.

      8 ball says….yes.

      • willbest

        Hoyer doesn’t have haters. He has people that have objectively determined that he is in no way shape or form an NFL QB. That you even think he should be allowed to compete for the starting job just makes you look bad in your objective analysis. The only thing he excels at is 300 yard 2 TD passing games that score less than 20 points. Its legitimately his super power.

        • MB30SD

          300/2/0

          Almost 4 times in a row. Get our D and specials up to top 5 – 7 and those numbers will win games erra time.

          He HAS to be in the mix.

          • willbest

            He averaged 16.8 ppg. Unless you got Seattle or Denver’s D backing him up you aren’t going over .500 like that.

          • MB30SD

            As a back up?!? Erra day my maings.

            Barkley and a fa pick up plus a guy in 1 or 2 in the draft… Put them all in a cage and see what shakes out… But why the hell not have hoyer in that mix??!

          • willbest

            As I said to Butch. If you know somebody isn’t the guy, you shouldn’t be wasting any of your annual 960 game time minutes on him.

          • MB30SD

            And if we have the same thing happen next year… You’d rather have some random off the street or throw your rook to the wolves than a dude who totally knows our system and you know can deliver you 300/2/0?!?!

            Insanity

          • Bears fans like the Fales and Clausens, MB.

            Boggles the mind.

          • willbest

            I was scream for Fales when they were trying to play Pickles. There was no way we were going to win in Seattle, there was zero point putting the guy that was 1-11 out there just because he had seen NFL action before.

          • MB30SD

            Dude, it’s even in his name… Irish.

            His name is… FALES. Fales.

          • MB30SD

            Totally confused… Like we’re typing in bizzarro worked. Smfh

          • willbest

            But he won’t deliver 300/2/0. Just like the 2013 Bears were never going to replicate their #2 scoring performance. Its called regression to the mean. You are going to get 240/1.8/0.8 from Hoyer if he plays a 16 game season for you. And that is average you might damn well get 200/1/1 in order to offset the good times.

            And no. Hoyer has a place. His place is as a backup on a competitive team whose starter is out with a concussion or maybe a 2 week groin issue or whatever. A team that has the potential to have D and ST bring it home as long as the O doesn’t fuck up.

            But if your team isn’t going to be competitive (and it won’t if Hoyer is your QB1), then the guys like Hoyer shouldn’t be out there wasting game time exposure. Send the rookie or second year guy out there. How else are they going to learn in the chaos. Practices are scripted and they aren’t allowed to get drilled.

          • MB30SD

            Nice!!! Can I use your magical crystal ball next?!!!!

          • willbest

            Its only good for football and presidential elections.

          • MB30SD

            Well, Presidential elections at least

      • Irish Sweetness

        Not only can he not hit the deep ball, he can’t hit the medium balls either. He’s captain checkdown, except he doesn’t bother going through the progression. He doesn’t throw interceptions, but you can’t win with a guy who can’t make the throws. He’s not an NFL QB IMHO.

        Plus, keeping Barkley/Hoyer means you’re saying goodbye to Conor Shaw, who is better than Hoyer, and I’ve only seen 10 minutes of him. That’s how bad Hoyer is. Pace has already forgotten Brian Hoyer. And so should everyone else.

        • willbest

          His not throwing INT is an aberration. He will regress back to his mean. Butch literally saw the best 4 games of Hoyer’s career and wants to ignore what he did in Texas and Cleveland.

          • It’s different teams, systems, OCs, everything.

            That’s like saying, ‘Palmer sucked in OAK’ or “Favre sucked in Atl” or “Warner sucked in Amsterdam”

            Sometimes QBs do better in diff circumstances.

            Even your beloved Cargo excelled for one year under Gase. If Gase had stayed, who knows? Maybe Cargo doesn’t play for the Jets next season.

            I’d be willing to let Hoyer “revert” back to the Texans version before giving him the boot, esp if he’s cheap and we can just plug Barkley right in.

          • willbest

            Hoyer is literally the Ted Philips of QBs. I don’t understand why you can’t see it.

          • Ah, no. Unlike Philips, he’s earned it.

            But, I don’t think Hoyer is the SB answer. I simply wanted him as the ‘bridge’ qb to steady our sinking ship (3 wins).

            But if Barkley indeed answers the call, have no issue with him starting. I like him. SC guy.

            But dumping Hoyer would be foolish. At worst he’s proven a competitive 2nd.

            I would rather have him at 3-5M over Cutler at $15M any day.

          • willbest

            You don’t bridge with a guy you know can’t deliver you a super bowl. That is a fucking waste of game time experience that could be going to somebody you think is the answer.

          • Big Mike

            hoyer is terrible in every respect. He’s Cutler without talent. The Houston Texans chased him out of Texas. He’s had a shot.

          • MB30SD

            And he nailed it.

            300/2/0 X 4

          • Huge Bears Penis

            1-3 yep that’s nailing it. With Hoyer you need an all world D. He may not make mistakes in this system but he can’t overcome jack shit, plus history tells us that those for 300 yard games is most likely an aberation. We don’t have that dominate level D, so why waste any time with him. Got to score points. If strictly a backup I would be fine but

          • MB30SD

            We can have a dominant run game and with a big D draft/fa we could easily have a top 10 D… And some Fucking semblance of luck…

            Yes, I’d have him on the team somewhere

          • willbest

            You aren’t dominating the run game with the safeties playing 5 yards off the line because there is zero chance the ball is going to be caught more than 15 yards down the field.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cutler without talent would be the worse QB ever. I’m no fan of Hoyer, but he’s not that.

          • Big Mike

            Go ask a Houston Texan fan. Maybe hyperbole to make the point. But if you’re going with Hoyer, you may as well keep Cutler.

      • Big Mike

        Cutler would beat them both out. What do you do with the $15 million in salary. The other strategy is to keep him, trade him when a starter on a top line team inevitably goes down.

        • BerwynBomber

          Maybe. But doesn’t mean he is necessarily better on Sunday.

          $16M, I believe it is. And you can buy two solid positional starters with that. A couple of safeties maybe?

          • Big Mike

            Here is something that most everyone seems to look past. There is likely to be more money than talent in FA. The top FA Safety is Eric Berry. He made $10 million last year. He was tagged by KC. PFF has him ranked as the 4th best safety, with an 88.9 ranking. “high quality” Just a couple points below “Elite” His contract is likely to be in the 60-65 million range with $20m guaranteed.

            The next highest ranked FS who is a FA.. Fucking Chris Conte. (91st rated by PFF).

            The second thing I’m starting to realize is that the Bears don’t need “guys”. They need impact playmakers. They’ve got a bunch of good football players. Good good attitude guys, who play hard.

            Third, I don’t know what to make of Cutler. On average he’s better than most guys. But the problem is his average is made up of extremes. His inconsistency is maddening.

  • Irish Sweetness

    We could trade our 4th pick for the 16th and 20th (if some team held them obviously .. or the 16th and two picks in the top third of the 2nd round. It really is worth a lot. We could give Pace a shot at three decent players rather than holding onto the 4th.

    http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

    • That Guy

      You’ve got to find a team that wants to make that trade. And you have to decide that what our team needs is quantity over quality.

      Plus, when you’re not talking about QB, the picks 1-13 historically have a relatively similar success rate. If we trade back, I’d prefer to stay in the top 12 picks for that reason.

      But if you want a QB? For that you’ve got to get as high as you can. Not necessarily #1, but if that one player is gone you’re screwed.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I think Trubisky gets drafted above us, and not necessarily by the teams that originally hold those spots. If Shaw comes back healthy, and we sign Barkley to a long-term contract … and garret is gone .. .shouldn’t we cash in our prized pick?

        • willbest

          Somebody has to want it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There’s only one QB in the draft this year I read. Somebody always wants a QB.

        • Johnnywad

          No. In that scenario we take Peppers and don’t look back.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fair enough, if he’s a stud.

        • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

          I´ll cash wit Allen.

      • willbest

        Its Irish, if he ever built a football team you could be damn sure the #1 and the #5 CB would be playing at the same level.

        • CanadaBear

          The WR’s would be interesting.

          • willbest

            Well those too. He wants his backups to slide right in with his starters. He never advocates paying 1 guy 15 million when you can get 3 guys for 5 million each

          • Irish Sweetness

            I contend a billion dollar organization should have 3 QBs worth a damn, yes. Two vets ready to ball, and a young guy who learns from them. This season we had Brian Hoyer playing for the Chicago Bears. That would not happen on my team. Brandon Marshall would still be on my team. Tracy Porter would not. Fuller would have been cut. Jacoby Glenn would have been benched, not cut. But I’d never get caught with my pants down at QB, the position is too important.

            In fairness to Pace, Shaw broke his leg, but at that point I’m sending in Fales, not Hoyer. Otherwise why did they invest so much time in him? Hoyer didn’t win us games, he threw flare passes to the flats, and never threw passes that were not certain completions because he figured he was marketing himself for another team.

          • willbest

            Pace didn’t invest anything in Fales.

          • Irish Sweetness

            “Otherwise why did they invest so much time in him”

            Time is money. Pace signed him back. Why?

            I think I get it now. You guys don’t watch pre-season? I watched them all. Twice.
            David Fales is a decent QB. He was playing with scrubs? That makes it harder, remember. He demonstrated touch, ability to deal with pressure .. he’s not the biggest guy in the world, no. Neither is Drew Brees.

          • MB30SD

            And why would he… He’s never been able to make it off a practice squad… And he’s dogshit

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s not dogshit. You never give me a reason why he’s dogshit, you just like shitting on players for some reason. Admit it, you’ve never watched him play …

          • MB30SD

            Of course I have… many times over.. He’s never made it off a practice squad in 5 – 6 years.

            Thasssss alls you need maings. Period.

        • MB30SD

          There wouldn’t be any #1s, he’d use all 4s and 5s

        • Big Mike

          and there would be 5 RBs and three pre-season heros. I love his optimism. I love that he’ll change his opinion and not dig in.. Great to have him here.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I called for Floyd in the first (Zeke was first choice) … Howard in the 5th round – that’s recorded on here. I would have drafted Derrick Henry instead of Whitehair though.

    • Big Mike

      It’s not that easy to trade down anymore. Here is my opinion. There are a lot of quality football players available. What there is not a lot of, are difference makers. Guys who change a game. Players the other team has to account for on every single play. At the top of the draft, that is what you expect to find. Let’s get one of those.

      • That’s the difficult part though.

        White DID look like a gamechanger. Had a phenomenal year by any measure, and his combine jumped off the charts. I don’t think any expert hated that pick.

        Yet, here we are 2 years later….

        • the only real knock on that pick was that he only had 1 year of high-level college production. That’s a risky top 10 pick. High risk/high reward.

          I wanted Vic Beasley. Was furious when they took White instead.

          • willbest

            Same

          • But lots of impact players have that 1 year production.

            Look no further than Long, who not only had like 1 year production, but didn’t even really play football till like his mid 20s.

            (that’s why I hated that pick initially).

            And Floyd I think was in the same 1yr boat to go with his WR frame.

            It’s just hard to find those playmakers.

            I have my own criteria and it involves…making plays!

            So if defenders don’t cause turnovers, make big hits in college, aren’t playmakers in my book (Peppers?)

          • Irish Sweetness

            After we cut bait with Brandon, we pretty much had to draft a wr.

          • willbest

            Jeffery, Wilson, Royal, Bellamy, Meredith was not a bad WR core in theory. There were worse needs on the O-line, D-line, ILB, pass rush, secondary.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sure, but they were only talking about two receivers in that draft, and we got one of them. I’m sure Kevin will be fine, you have to give a receiver 3 seasons anyway. He’s only had a few games.

          • willbest

            White has had 1/4 of a season Irish. So by your logic, assuming he is healthy (which is a massive assumption considering he is brittle) he should have his breakout season the year after his rookie contract ends.

        • Big Mike

          Still could be. But doesn’t a leg injury like he’s had, basically take the top end off his speedometer? Which was what was so exciting about the kid.

          • Once I heard a metal rod was in his leg, I winced.

            That can’t be good for 4.3 speed and explosion.

            And he was never a Roddy White route-runner type, or Alshon big body type.

            Future seems grim, IMO.

          • Big Mike

            That’s sad. So maybe he’s just a guy and not a future #1. But he’s on a rookie deal and he’s got to be better than some of the guys we’ve kept. We’ll wait and see.

          • willbest

            He has Bellamy’s hands without Bellamy’s ST and route running ability, and maybe not even Bellamy’s speed anymore.

          • Big Mike

            Well that’s depressing. But I’ve not seen any reports saying this.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Aha, what if Trubisky is there for us at 4 …. somebody will want that pick bad … and we don’t need him.

        • Big Mike

          Yep. Question I have is Allen there still? Or one of the top CBs? There are a few CB who are rated in top 10 picks of the draft. That’s a hard choice. One great player is worth more than two good ones.

  • willbest
    • MB30SD

      Merry Xmas will

  • I vehemently disagree that Peyton Manning never had a strong arm. He had a howitzer as a younger QB. Lost it big-time as he aged and had the injury problems.

    But his dominance in Denver with a weak arm proves that arm strength is overrated. There’s a certain minimum threshold you need to meet to play NFL QB successfully. Once you’re past that, it doesn’t matter all that much. QB is much more above the shoulders than people think.

    Barkley meets that threshold.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Dominance? He was the worst QB in the NFL in Denver.

      • in his last season. He had 3 years before that where he was incredibly good, including setting the single-season TD record and winning MVP.

        • Irish Sweetness

          His last season was the one I was thinking of yes. But didn’t they have the best D in the NFL?

    • Peyton did not dominate in Denver, esp his last year.

      And this is what always happens.

      QBs with “avg” arms can thrive during the regular season. But once they meet good defenses in the playoffs with smart coaches, they tend to wilt (see Dalton).

      ONLY reason Denver won was a historically great D. Those pop up from time to time. Bears, Bucs, Ravens, Hawks…

      But those Ds only tend to have like 1 GREAT yr which can carry almost any QB (see Dilfer) before they revert back to good (and not historically great).

      Almost every recent SB winning QB with a good (not historically dominant) D could stretch the field.

      Eli, Flacco, Brady, Vadgers, Wilson, Roth, etc.

      They all had good-great deep balls (that includes accuracy and not just jump balls).

      • willbest

        In 2012 he had the highest completion percentage (68) and highest QBR (83) in the league to go with 4650 yards 37 TDs and 11 INT

        In 2013 he had a superman year with 5477 yards, 55 TDs and 10 INT. Also lead the league in QBR at 81.

        In 2014 he had a very good first half of season before he got hurt still managed 4700 yards 39 TDs to 15 INT, with a 75 QBR

        In 2015 he was a pile of shit.

        So yes he was dominant in Denver. And he had to be because prior to their embarrassment in 2013 they had a shit defense and he had to put up 30 ppg if they were going to win.

        • Irish Sweetness

          2013 wow.Okay.

      • From 2012-14, Peyton averaged over 8 yards per attempt, threw 131 TD to 36 INT, and posted a passer rating over 100 every year. He was arguably the best QB in the NFL over that 3-year span, though an argument could also be made for Rodgers or Brady.

        • Yeah, but he didn’t win a SB until that D went on a tear (esp with Von Miller in the SB).

          What were Peyton’s stats in the playoffs from 2013-15?

          Obviously not good enough to win cuz his D was still championship caliber.

          • willbest

            He was inhuman in the playoffs in 2013 up until he ran into the Seattle Wall. He was hurt in the playoffs in 2014 they were one and done. They were 1 and done in 2012 but then the Broncos allowed 38 points to the Ravens. The Broncos O put up 35 points though.

        • MB30SD

          Fuck Rodgers. Smug cunt

          • arrogant crybaby, but a damn good QB.

          • MB30SD

            Never disagree with that, just hate the dude’s persona.

    • MB30SD

      National wide for CEO and head of football ops for the Chicago bears!

      Who’s with me?!?!

      • Peyton over Sweaty Teddy 7 times a week, and twice on SUN, that’s for sure.

        Imagine Peyton using all that football obsession and knowledge for the Bears?

        A gal can dream…

        • MB30SD

          Exactfuckingly!

          And he gets to go against donkey teeth… He might like that.

          And he prooobably cares about winning every Fucking game and is a fierce competitor. probably.

          • Yeah, Peyton seems like one of those guys who will get overly upset at losing in tic-tac-toe

            Probably makes for an insufferable human being, but great employee.

          • MB30SD

            Yep, I’m ALL in.

            That and we’d never have to suffer through 8M of his Fucking turrible commercials on TV every 10 seconds

    • BerwynBomber

      I don’t know about “howitzer” but yeah it wasn’t weak. Actually, Brady was the guy whose arm strength was vastly underrated.

  • willbest

    The most interesting question to me this week is:

    If Dallas beats Detroit on Monday night football. Do the Cowboys start Romo for week 17 having locked up the #1 seed?

    • Scharfinator

      I’d put in Sanchez. Romo’s spine will just disintegrate again and resting Dak is a good plan.

      • willbest

        Sure but you if Dak goes down in the post seasons, you are going to Romo. Don’t you want him to have at least had some guys running at him a few times?

        • Scharfinator

          Nope, his candle is burning low. No sense lighting it in meaningless games.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)
    • Scharfinator

      I can’t tell if #3’s eyes are going the same direction.

      Make or break right there.

    • willbest

      I am leaning toward Gronks, I would need to see Pep’s gal full body though.

      • Gronks? No way. I thought she was the worst.
        I think I’ve been with a girl who liked like that when I was broke and clueless.

        Her name was Felicia, naturally.

        I’ve seen Gronk with hotter in his defense

        • willbest

          Vontaze’s is the worst.

          • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

            looks like Katie Holmes with a boob job

    • All whiter than the next!

      Irish will be disappointed.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s a shame.

    • MB30SD

      Damn, peppers has a huge maw… His chick is smokin.

      • CanadaBear

        What would you expect? He’s 6’7″, 260+ and has probably been on steroids and HGH for half his life.

        • Big Mike

          Peppers has always looked like that.

        • MB30SD

          Fair point

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        Peppers looks like what you would get if you put Jimi Hendrix in that contraption that changed Steve Rodgers into Captain America.

        • MB30SD

          Yep, dude’s face is massive

    • Irish Sweetness

      Is there a black player in the NFL who has a black wife/gf?

  • I fall in camp #2 under point 3. And I’ll answer your question as to why the Bears should still invest their high 1st round pick in a QB if Pace has a shot at somebody he believes can be the guy.

    At the end of the season, we will have seen Barkley for a grand total of 6 games. Now assuming he continues this level of play the last 2, that’s a good 6-game sample size. But it’s only 6 games.

    You don’t want to put all your QB eggs in a basket based on 6 games. And you hope to hell you’re not drafting this high again in the near future, so this is your best shot to land a franchise QB in the draft. If you identify the QB you think can carry the franchise for a decade, you grab him. If it turns out that Barkley is better, great! If it doesn’t, great!

    Let them compete and may the best man win. But ONLY if there’s a QB there that you love. Don’t reach for a QB because you “need” one. That’s always a terrible idea, and is how Blake Bortles, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker, etc. happen.

    • Basically I come down to this:

      based on what we’ve seen so far, it would be incredibly stupid to not have Barkley competing to be your starting QB next year.

      Based on how small that sample size is, it would also be incredibly stupid to not have a plan B in place. Nick Foles posted 27 TD and 2 INT in a 13 game sample in 2013. Nick Foles is a terrible NFL QB.

      Weird seasons happen. Weird parts of seasons happen even more.

      • MB30SD

        Yep, that’s what I’m worried about, the Matt Flynn, Nick foles, shit there was one more… Can’t remember his name… Conundrum.

        Barkley/hoyer/QB in draft or FA.

        There’s your line up for the camp battle. There’s really no other way.

        • I’d just go Barkley/draft pick, personally, with Shaw as a 3rd arm, but I can’t see this staff doing that. No way in hell Fox goes to camp with his most experienced QB only having 6 starts to his name. He LOVES veterans.

          Which is my biggest fear for next year. Hoyer starts camp day 1 as #1 QB. Fox won’t unseat him until somebody is CLEARLY better, which is hard to do because Fox loves that Hoyer never turns it over. 2 young potential franchise QBs sit behind Bryan freaking Hoyer as the Bears pile up a bunch of 20-17 losses but never throw INTs.

          • willbest

            If Hoyer is our QB1 to start the season next year, I will sit the season out because that is what the Bears plan on doing if Hoyer is their #1.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yup. Pace isn’t that blind. Can’t happen. Hoyer’s not in the equation.

          • It’s going to be up to Barkley. It’s literally in his hands.

            He’ll have to Howard it – Literally give Fox no choice but to start him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I dunno. They went into the season with Shaw as Cutty’s backup, and I can see why. So if we trade Cutty, I can see a genuine battle between Matt and Connor.

            Anyone who’s talking about Hoyer … I have nothing kind to say.

          • willbest

            Now he wasn’t. Hoyer was locked into #2 as much as Cutler into #1. Shaw won the PS gig though before he broke his leg.

            Hoyer made sense as Cutler’s backup. You figure Cutler is going to be out for a game with a concussion or a groin pull. You have a monster front-7 and quality WRs Hoyer won’t F up, maybe if ST or D does something great you win the game, Cutler comes back… you are good.

            Hoyer doesn’t make sense in any other situation though.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I thought we picked Hoyer up after Shaw?

          • willbest

            We had Shaw, Fales, and I think some Blachard guy as camp QBs. After the 4th preseason game we cut Fales, and signed Barkley (who was in camp with Arizona) to our practice squad. Cryptkeeper brought Fales over to the Ravens to be their PS QB.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Knowing that I might have a change of heart about Hoyer. HOYER DA DESTROYER!!!

          • I think that’s exactly what’s going to happen.

            Fox only started Howard once Langford went down.

            Fox does love his vet, and Jahns himself testified how the organization loves Hoyer (that includes Pace).

            Also, Fox will likely be coaching for his job next season, so that might make him even MORE conservative in riding with vets.

            We gotta remember Fox wants his D to win games, which requires a QB who doesn’t fuck up.

            That’s his blue-print. That’s what Barkley will have to prove these last two games.

            If he keeps having 3TO days, Fox will likely ride with Hoyer no matter who likes it. End of story.

          • Irish Sweetness

            “Fox only started Howard once Langford went down.”

            That worries me.

          • And this is why I wanted Fangio as interrim (among MANY other reasons)

            Fangio by most accounts controls the D

            When someone doesn’t perform, he’s pretty quick to give them das boot.

            Vereen last year. Cut. All kinds of Safeties next to Amos.

            Name the CB (including Fuller who I think he might’ve benched b4 he got inj).

            All while giving guys with potential an honest look, like Callahan, Cornwash, Bullard.

            Doesn’t matter if they’re vets, rooks or UFAs to Fangio.

            He’s unsentimental about it, which is how I feel the entire roster should be judged (like Petey does).

            But the O has Fox all over it. Hence him starting an INJ Long over Kush or even Larsen. Langford over Howard. Cutler over Hoyer (don’t care what anyone says, Hoyer gave Bears more consistency), etc

            Fox just falls back to his dated self in evaluation, and it has cost us some games, and will continue to cost us games (and more importantly, developing promising players) going forward.

          • MB30SD

            Hmmmm… See, I’d go into camp with any depth chart, and let em all battle it out.

            If. I had to, I’d go:

            Barkley (if he continues to produce)
            Proven FA guy
            Or top QB pick
            Winner of Hoyer vs shaw

          • willbest

            What classifies as a proven FA guy? Tony Romo? Or do you mean somebody with live game experience like Glennon or Foles who are going to be on $2-3 million 1 year backup QB deals?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Barkley has to be signed to a contract, as would Hoyer, as would your FA pick.

            According to Spotrsc, Barkley is an UFA ?

            http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/

            and here …
            http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/matt-barkley-12379/

            Fack, if we don’t pay him top whack, he’s gone.

            He’s gone.

        • Irish Sweetness

          There are a number of ways. First of all, Hoyer is not a Bear next season, contractually. How does Pace sign a 31 year old who hasn’t got the NFL throws in his toolbag?

          Barkley gets signed. Cutty is already signed. Shaw is under contract (and I’m going through videos here, he really is a good QB, and mobile, and way better than Brian Hoyer, he has a nice accurate deep ball). Fales is on the PS

          So we have a number of decisions to make at QB, and none of them include Brian Hoyer.

          • MB30SD

            Cutler needs to be gone. He’s done here and will just be a distraction. Besides that the dude’s a Fucking proven shithole of fools gold. Fuck that

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s cool – he’s worth picks. But no way Hoyer should be taking up a spot on out roster.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dave must have seen plenty of Shaw. From his college highlights he certainly shows some wheels.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYF10fzpZsc

    • Irish Sweetness

      Teams put all their eggs in one basket when they draft a guy in the first though. Some teams put three years of eggs in one basket when they trade up in the draft to get a guy.

      To me there’s no logic whatsoever in us drafting a QB.

      Currently we have the rights to:

      1. Jay Cutler
      2. Conor Shaw (our #2 this year)
      3. a RFA in Barkley (who has a 1st round tender)
      4. David Fales

      Somebody explain to me why we would waste ANY draft pick on a QB in that scenario. Especially when the thinking is that anyone other than Trubisky is a reach.

      • Jay Cutler is 34 and about to be traded.
        Connor Shaw has shown literally NOTHING in the NFL. Same for David Fales.

        Barkley has 6 starts to his name (or will at the end of the season).

        That’s why.

        • Johnnywad

          Barkley has shown that he can’t make his way to an active roster.

          • willbest

            And then he has shown he turns into Tom Brady when he gets down 2 scores.

          • Johnnywad

            Yeah, not sure how that happened. See above. I have no problem with Barkley in a Bears uniform next year. Just so long as he isn’t anointed the starter.

        • BearDown100393

          Connor Shaw has a goods. The kid just needs a break.

          • willbest

            And NFL break, not a break in his leg.

      • CanadaBear

        Cutler’s getting released, Fales sucks, Shaw is an unknown and Barkley is a partial unknown.

        • Translation: preseason practice squad heroes do not typically form the backbone of championship NFL rosters.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          I am willing to bet that Cutler is still on the team going through PreSeason, if he has not been traded by then. I don’t think they will cut him till right before the season.

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure of his contract. At some point 2017 will be guaranteed. Whenever that is will be D-Day.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            No his contract will not become guaranteed in 2017. The last year that the guarantee his contract became guaranteed because of injury is 2016.

    • Big Mike

      The top QBs this year don’t look like much, or I’d be with you. Obviously I could be wrong. But like you said, are the Bears have be drafting 3rd of 4th again soon (Geez, I hope not). Would we be looking at the top QB in the draft. Most experts do not have a QB going 1 or 2. Some have the first QB going to the Bears, others say not until the 5th or later.

      I actually was wondering if Cutler, Barkley and Shaw shouldn’t compete for the job. I’d like to spend the #1 pick at CB. Maybe there’s not a CB worthy of a top 5 pick. But in the top 5 you need a playmaker. A difference maker. Not just a very good player. You hope to get a franchise changing player. Deshaun Watson? Seems like a college QB phenom, not a great pro QB. Deshone Kizer? ND didn’t win with him. NC QB? blah…

      Here is who PFF has rated as the top CB in the draft. Also valued as the # 4 pick overall, so according to them not a reach.

      Desmond King, CB, Iowa

      King can play a variety of coverages and he excels in zone where he
      can diagnose the play and make plays on the ball. He’s off to a terrific
      start with six passes defensed and an interception on 32 targets, this
      after getting his hands on 20 passes (eight interceptions, 12 passes
      defensed) last season. King has graded out as one of the best
      run-stopping cornerbacks in the nation each of the last three years and
      he’s a sure tackler with only six misses on 167 attempts the last three
      years.

      Right after him there is Cordrea Tankersle from Clemson and Jalen Tabor, CB, Florida

  • MB30SD

    Watson looks the part. Trubinski and kiezer… Naaah

    • Irish Sweetness

      Are Kizer and Watson even in the draft?

      • MB30SD

        Yes.

        Watson has proven he can win the big game… Multiple big games

  • Irish Sweetness

    So upon further inspection, Barkley is actually a UFA, Spotrac have changed his designation.

    You want Matt .. you’ll pay handsomely.

    Now Cutty/Shaw with Fales on the PS is looking like the only way to rock. I’m not ditching Cutty on the cheap.

    • MB30SD

      I am. Fuck that clown. Buh bye

      Barkley+FA and/or draft guy+Hoyer+Shaw

      May the best 3 men win! Gentlemen staaaart your engines!

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Yeah man, someone’s gotta bite on cutty for a bag of balls. Even Jeff George was wanted.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Pay Barkley 90M ? If he plays well next week ….

        • MB30SD

          No way he gets 90 mill dude… The oz debacle is still fresh in GM’s minds I assure you

          • Irish Sweetness

            75M then … but somebody WILL pay him.

          • willbest

            The end numbers are meaningless. The question is guarantees.

          • MB30SD

            Nope. No way. Oz was 72. We should pay him something reasonable

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Yup, if they paid Osweiller, they’ll pay Barkley.

          • Not after Oz getting benched

          • MB30SD

            OK, we are in bizzarro world

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Dude, you should know better by now. Barkley is going to be to GM’s like crack is to a whore if he continues to show game.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Mike Glennon is a FA.

        Are you trolling us with Hoyer? He can’t throw a ten and out.

        • MB30SD

          Nope.

          Proven.entity.

          For your#3?! All day, erra day

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hoyer is a proven entity at what … ? Not being an NFL caliber QB?
            You can’t seriously be saying Hoyer is a proven entity!

            I now you spend time with your kids on game days, but have you actually gone back and watched each game?

          • MB30SD

            300/2/0 X 4

          • Irish Sweetness

            I knew it – you don’t even watch the games. Looking at stats doesn’t tell the story of Hoyer. He can’t make the throws you need to make first downs. He never puts the ball anywhere other than where it will be caught .. .at the detriment of actually winning games.

            I will further assume you’ve never actually seen Falesy and just shit on him for no reason.

            Can’t talk about QBs you haven’t even seen, MB. Tut tut.

          • MB30SD

            I watched 2 games dude.

            He played in 4 really NFL games. More than Shaw and fails could ever wish for… As a #3, you’re insane not to.

            You’ve already driven will off maings, shut down the crazy machine

          • Irish Sweetness

            Okay, okay. Two games would be enough in his case. So did you think he had all the throws you need to have to be an NFL QB? 10-15 yard outs and the like?

            Do you think playing more games makes him a better QB than say .. anyone?

            And have you ever seen Fales take a snap?

            I do resent the ‘crazy’ tag thrown around here a lot BTW.

          • MB30SD

            We’re just fucking with you man. Don’t take it personally… Like you guys calling me a slut all the time. Hurts my fee… Bahaha, OK so I’m just kidding, but you shouldn’t take it to heart.

            Here’s my net net mate…

            We know basically what we have in Hoyer and hopefully in Barkley after another 2 games…

            Why not keep three somewhat known entities for next year and add a rookie to the mix as a dak-like 2nd Rd pick if one’s there?

            So we enter camp with Barkley, Hoyer, Shaw, and a draft pick. Let them fight it out for # 1, 2, and 3… And PS squad.

            Boom! We have a QB quiver more solid than 90% of the NFL… That said, I don’t think there’s a Brady or even a flacco among them. That’s the only downside, but not like we had that in cutty anyway.

            Build the D and specials to top 10 levels and you might not need one with some injury luck

    • willbest

      If Barkley is a UFA then somebody is going to give him a 3-year $30 million with $15 million in guarantees.

      • MB30SD

        Should be us

        • willbest

          It might be more.

          Oz might caution people off $37 million in guarantees and $18 mil a year, but there are a lot of thirsty teams and Birdcage isn’t Kubiak and Barkley hasn’t been throwing to DT and Sanders.

          Basically, if we want Barkley we are going to have to commit to him if he is a UFA, which bodes well for getting rid of Cutler.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Or …..

            In the scenario above .. i.e. paying Barkley big bucks .. and then Shaw emerges …we can’t pay both. So if Barkley wants top dollar, we could roll with Cutty and Shaw. Shaw gets paid in the end.

          • Johnnywad

            Irish in that scenario you’re keeping the expensive, broken guy nobody wants anymore and the young, broken guy nobody knows anything about and releasing the young, cheap, healthy guy everybody seems to like the early returns on. Barkley isn’t getting big bucks anywhere. Oz has ruined it for all future QBs of this ilk. Barkley will be an affordable QB and likely has a floor of “backup”, with an outside shot at his ceiling being a quality starter.

          • MB30SD

            Bingo

          • willbest

            Didn’t Matt Flynn ruin it first? Or was it Matt Cassel? What’s Bradford making?

            The eye tells you he is more than a McCown or Hoyer and the youth and inexperience gives you hope there is more in development.

            All those deals are caution but there is a reason that they get made. Don’t be surprised if someone gives him a Fitzpatrick deal.

          • Johnnywad

            Matt Flynn threw 6 TDs in his only start, breaking a Packer record. No small feat. That said, I knew that deal was stupid. Matt Casselman went 11-5. Sam Bradford was the first overall pick in the draft wasn’t he? He also has some obvious talent.

            Barkley has none of those things. Barkley will likely be closer to Oz at season’s end in terms of performance and sample size than any of those guys.

            Nobody is giving Barkley Fitz money in my estimation. I guess time will tell us whether I’m wrong or not.

          • AlbertInTucson

            DT has more than his share of drops lately.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Then pay him, and thank our stars we have Shaw .. who’s probably better … and if he is … what do you do when HIS contract is up?

        • willbest

          “Who’s probably better” you are doing that just to troll right? right?

          • MB30SD

            Exactly. Sigh

          • Irish Sweetness

            Before anyone knocks Shaw could they at least pretend they’ve watched some videos on him. Did you see him play for us MB?

          • willbest

            Could you at least pretend that Barkley had done well against NFL defenses? And that doing well in the NFL games is by far and away a better indicator than college and preseason

          • Irish Sweetness

            I like Barkley! Yes, he’s done very well.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I never troll.
            I’ve been watching his film tonight, college too, but there is tape of him with Cleveland. Plus, he was the Bear’s choice before Barkley was … he’s a baller.

          • willbest

            Dude. Barkley was drafted by the Eagles and traded to the Cardinals. He was literally not even an option for Pace until he was cut on the Sept 3rd this year. Pace signed him on Sept 4th to our practice squad. There is zero evidence that Pace liked Shaw more than Barkley. The only thing you can possibly say is Pace didn’t think enough of Barkley to trade for him. But he didn’t trade for Shaw either because Shaw was on the street.

            There is however evidence that Pace liked Barkley more than Fales because he let Fales go chill on Cryptkeeper’s practice squad.

          • Irish Sweetness

            okay, fair enough – I see your point. But Shaw does look good on tape. Mobile, accurate, touch, deep ball, it’s all there in principle. It doesn’t appear there’s much between Barkley and Shaw though. One will cost us 15M a year …

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      If the staff doesn’t know what they have in Barkey by the end of the season, they deserve to be fire hosed on the shores of Lake Michigan in the middle of January.

  • Irish Sweetness

    He’s better than Hoyer .. who isn’t a football QB.

    • This coming from the same guy who wanted McCown and Fitz to start over Cutty?

      With all due respect, you’re nuts Irish!

      • MB30SD

        Yes, but he’s our crazy

        • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

          Yesh.

          Plus our band, Zionist Conspirators, went double platinum with our debut album, Chinese Moonbase.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ve never been on the far side of the moon GP. I have no idea what’s up there.

            And neither do any of you ;o)

          • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)
      • Irish Sweetness

        No. I said we had trade value in Cutty and that IF we traded him, we could have signed Fitzy for 5M (at that time) and paid McCown the same …giving us two roster bodies while we rebuilt.

        Given that it seems nobody wants Cutty on the team today …

  • willbest

    Alright, I am out before Irish gives me an aneurism over this Shaw talk. I see you guys later.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Watch his tape first.

  • #1 Jeff point

    Agree. I think Barkley has proven he’s no Clausen, right?
    And even IF Barkley were 30 yrs old, diff teams, diff OCs, diff personnel, diff schemes.

    I have already mentioned but just a few QBs who even late in their careers have turned it around (Palmer, Gannon, Warner, Alex Smith – might even include Cutler under Gase).

    Past is past. Gotta evaluate what BOTH Barkley and Hoyer have done on THIS team.

    #2. To an extent I agree with Jeff.

    I contend a QB must have an “NFL arm” = be able to make all the throws.

    This doesn’t mean 60 yd bombs backpeddling.

    This means can he drop it between the S and CB?
    Can the QB hit the 15 yd out?
    Can the QB throw from multiple platforms? On the run? with a monster bearing down on his face?

    Barkley has shown he can do a lot of these things. I don’t think he has a lethal long ball, but that might also be because he hasn’t exactly been throwing to Julio Jones streaking down the sideline.

    #3 Agree.

    Most are just lazy and parrot. That’s ok. Can’t expect casual fans to have PhDs in football or to have watched Barkley at SC every sat or his snaps under Chip or Arians.

    #4. see #3

    • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

      Deonte Thompson has speed. Barkley has accuracy out to about 40 yards.

      He needs more time and reps with his wideouts, but already he has shown his ability to read the coverage and make the smart throw was miles ahead of Cutler after ten years.

      Teams will start getting exotic on him once they get the film of him and see what he’s bad at seeing. That will be his test. But teams can thrive without a deep ball hitter as long as they can make the sideline throw to 40 yards. Barkley has enough arm for that.

      • SC Dave

        Second paragraph says it. Matt needs work on acciracy, but that is a reps thing. With seeing the field, it seems you have it or you dont.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Dave, you watch South Carolina ball, right? You’ve seen a bunch of Shaw, right?
          What do you think?

          • SC Dave

            Not much watching, really.

          • MB30SD

            You’ve become expendable to my organization… I will now set into motion a very complex many step process to ensure your demise

          • SC Dave

            Make sure, compadre, you take NO false steps. Each one will reverse your intent, leading to a demise far more terrifying for you than you could possibly imagine.

            That said, next season we need to meet for a game, as Barkley leads us to the promised land.

          • MB30SD

            If you are looking for ransom I can tell you I don’t have money, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let Matt forte, Chris conte, Jay cutler go now that’ll be the end of it.

            I’m in dave

    • Irish Sweetness

      #3 I still don’t get the additional help thing. If we like Barkley, and Cutty and Shaw are on the roster … why do you need it? You trade Cutty and you still have Barkley and Shaw, they don’t carry any more than that anyway.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)
    • Irish Sweetness

      I just want Dave’s opinion first. At least someone who’s seen the QB they’re talking about. I’ve only seen highlight reels and the bit he showed us in PS.

      I won’t mention him again after that.

      On this thread.

      I’ve just quit smoking. Again. Is it showing?

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Buy the natural stuff that’s in abundance over there Irish.

        Factoid: It is illegal to grow your own tobacco in the U.S.

        #landofthefree?

        • MB30SD

          Not the whacky tabacky… Not in the great West!!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Give Phillip Morris time, they’re working on this problem.

      • BerwynBomber

        Mention away, Irish. You’re the patron saint of the PS. We would expect no less.

      • SC Dave

        Honestly, I did not watch the guys all that much. With the Spurrier walk off, it was a bit of a shit show.

      • Johnnywad

        Good for you on the smokes. Your babies will want you around. I’m watching my in laws both die our eyes due to the effects of a lifetime of smoking. It’s not a great way to go out.

  • BearDown100393

    It would be a wise move for POX to consult Braverman regarding next season’s QB.

    • Huge Bears Penis

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  • Huge Bears Penis

    So what do you guys think of that kid on IR, Connor Shaw? Tough break for him breaking his leg. The little I saw in preseason showed he could be an All-Pro and future HOFer.

    • MB30SD

      Come camp let him gnarfel the garthok with the rest of them

    • BearDown100393

      Connor Shaw and Matt Barkley are the reincarnation of the Montana – Young tandem.

      A dynasty is being born.

      Add Braverman.

      • SC Dave

        Fuck… you never know dude

      • BerwynBomber

        You mean Shaw and Fales …

    • SC Dave

      I think that they should take a look at him. I fear, however, that he may have mobility loss. That was one of the factors to potentially keep him in the NFL

  • Malice Halice

    At the end of the year we can say that 2 DIFFERENT QB’S outplayed Cutty. So I’m begging we trade him for a lil sumn sumn. We don’t need to draft a qb in da first. We need to establish the O-line and secondary.
    Let’s pray Kevin white learn some routes.

    • SC Dave

      Kevin White is, I fear, a lost cause.

  • So did we ever find out WHO fucked up in the last play vs Puke?

    Was it the S who bit on underneath coverage when he shouldn’t have?
    Was it Fangio calling an idiotic zone where the S can get sucked up as oppose to cover 2- or 3 deep?

    Was it Fox who made that idiotic zone call?

    I have a feeling it’s going to be some vague shit where NO ONE takes direct responsibility like that other infamous Bears-Puke fuckup (see avi).

    • BerwynBomber

      Cross enemy lines when in doubt …

      Rodgers said he saw “quarters” coverage immediately, which I presume to mean some type of zone coverage. So … if I had to guess … it was on Fangio, although I assume Bush is supposed to read routes and should have vacated his unoccupied zone when over the top is needed. Still, he’s a rook, so I’d put it more on the coach.

      Someone also pointed out that Fangio chose to “spy” Rodgers on that last play with Floyd. Against a healthy Rodgers (w/ TOs) that might have been a smart play. Against Rodgers on two bum legs and w/ no TOs, probably should have rushed Floyd.

      Ah well. Heckuva throw. My opinion is in the minority but I can live with being beat by an all-timer like that, even if a bad call assisted the play.

      Btw, if you ever wanted to see the limitations of Fox’s and McCarthy’s head coaching that game was it. Have been too lazy to post it about it, but it really showed their, respective, chief flaws as HCs.

      • Ugh, if it was quarters, that’s on fucking Fangio (Bad enough only rushed 3).

        S should’ve been told NOT to bite on anything short, but considering it was a rook, that’s a horrible situation to put Bush in.

        The much safer play would’ve been cover-2 with 4 rushers (esp vs a hobbled Vadge).

        Christ. What a fucking moronic play.
        About as awful as not running it and milking the clock, or going for the TD, or calling a TO if they were playing to get the call back late.

        Oh well.

        #Garrett

  • 3 wins next yr too

    “The Bears and 49ers will both finish last in their respective divisions.
    It will mark the third consecutive season in which the 49ers will play
    at Soldier Field. The Bears will play at Philadelphia next season as
    well. The Eagles lost to the Ravens to fall to 5-9 and ensuring they
    finish last in the NFC East. The Bears will play home games against the Browns, Steelers, Falcons and Panthers and road games at the Bengals, Ravens, Buccaneers and Saints along with the traditional games with their division rivals.” – Biggsy

  • BerwynBomber

    Did they always select the Pro Bowl with a 1/8 of the season left to play? Seems a bit odd. The game is a joke but it is still an honor to be recognized.

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