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Turn the Beat Around: Biggs on Jeffery, Jahns on Fox & Links!

| October 27th, 2016

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Biggs on Potential Jeffery Trade

While the Cubs were losing Game One of the World Series, rumors were circulating regarding a potential trade of Alshon Jeffery to the Philadelphia Eagles. My opposition to such a move has been stated many times. Brad Biggs addressed the situation in his mailbag this week:

Forget additional draft picks for the Bears for a minute. What would they do at wide receiver without Jeffery? It’s widely assumed at this point that the franchise is going to go in a different direction at quarterback at the end of the season. I imagine general manager Ryan Pace is going to want some wide receivers that can be real assets for his new quarterback. Take Jeffery out of the equation and the Bears are one of the weakest teams in the NFL at the position because they have no idea what Kevin White will be like in 2017. It’s uncertain at this point if White will return from leg surgery to play in December. Eddie Royal is hurt once again and the guaranteed money in his contract is done after this season. Cameron Meredith has been a pleasant surprise with expanded opportunities in the last two months but he’s probably not ready to be a frontline player. I think there is a much better chance the Bears look at signing Jeffery to a long-term contract averaging $14 million per season.

The bottom line to me is trading Jeffery for a mid-round draft pick doesn’t benefit the Bears.

If Ryan Pace doesn’t value Jeffery, Ryan Pace is wrong.

JAHNS ON CUTLER AND FOX

Adam Jahns and I will spend a lot of time on tomorrow’s podcast discussing Jay Cutler so I won’t sample any of that material here. But I did like the frustration emanating out of his lede here:

Bears coach John Fox can say whatever he wants. He can be honest or flat-out lie. He can tell half-truths. He can play coy, or play dumb. He can use more clichés than you knew existed.

Making sense of what’s real and what isn’t becomes not only toilsome but tiresome. Often, it’s not worth the time and effort.

Take what Fox said Monday at Halas Hall about his quarterback situation, with Jay Cutler now cleared of a sprained right thumb.

“Some things that I say go somewhere that I wasn’t really intending,” Fox said. “At the end of the day, obviously, Jay’s our starter. He was injured, not permitted to play medically. And now that he’s healed, he’s back to being our starter.

The media has a job to do – report information to us. And the Bears media is growing increasingly annoyed by John Fox lying to them. He’s not concealing information to gain a competitive advantage. He’s making shit up. And everybody knows it.

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  • Irish Sweetness

    Britney … BITCH!

  • Irish Sweetness

    “Jay Cutler enters most critical stretch of his career” – Jahn’s headline.

    MWAH! Eleventh year in the league sitting on a hundred million in the winter of his career more like ….

    • chitownproud85

      Yeah, those statements make me “lol”. The guy played on a team that was a game away from a Super Bowl. He already played the “stretch” of his career that landed him that big, coveted 2nd contract, and a corresponding extension. The most critical stretch of his career? Every year he has another “most critical stretch”, as we continue to try to feed some hope that he and this team are just suddenly going to round some mystical corner in their evolution and become what we want, or what their potential always “seems” to be. Jay is one of the 20 best quarterbacks in the NFL, and should continue to start for the Bears whenever healthy and available. They have no option that is better, and outside of them magically drafting a good one(something that theyve failed at miserably over the last few decades), he will remain the best option, and should therefore remain with the team and be given the reigns. His statement the other day was hilarious and spot on – what choice does Fox have but to trust him? What the hell else is he going to do?

      • willbest

        He came out before the rookie wage scale. He has actually had 3 well paying contracts.

      • BerwynBomber

        “outside of them magically drafting a good one(something that theyve failed at miserably over the last few decades”

        Well, they haven’t tried to draft a QB in nearly fifteen years. The last QB they selected in one of the top three rounds was Grossman in ’03. Without researching, it might be the longest streak in the NFL. The only team that might compete is SD as I can’t remember them drafting an early round QB since Rivers.

        Either way it is sheer lunacy when you consider it is the most important position in all of team sports.

        • Bender McLugh

          and technically SD drafted Eli, then the whole fiasco with the Giants played out. Good times.

        • When you got an Iron Man HOFer like Cutler, who needs a stinking project!?

        • Sactowns#1

          Miss you Sexy Rexy. Let the cannon fire!!

    • Maybe Jahn’s means this is the year that the NFL will determine whether Cutler is actually a backup, which pays much less.

  • SC Dave

    Coincidence. The reason the Cubs have not won a Series since 1906 is that they are a weak franchise.

    Perhaps they have recently turned a corner, but it is not a curse that explains 100 years of suckness.

    • MB30SD

      Yup. Sounds eerily familiar, doesn’t it.

      Look no further than the public comments about the total and utter disregard for success (i.e., winning) put forth by the president of the bears organization.

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        its sik

        • MB30SD

          What’s sick is that no one’s doing or saying anything or making noise about it?!?! WTF?!?!

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            the media is george’s bitch

          • Bender McLugh

            RIGGED

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            ITS ALL RIGGED!

          • willbest

            Anybody that has lived in IL knows that.

  • willbest

    If the Bears trade Jeffery they better also leak the e-mail from his agent saying that Jeffery has no intention in playing in Chicago for less than $16/mil a year $50 mil guaranteed and will be headed for FA.

  • Bender McLugh

    Irish “says” he’s in Thailand, but obviously he’s been busy in the homeland

    http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/blogs/hidden-forest-shape-celtic-cross-has-emerged-ireland

  • willbest

    Alright, so I went back 22 years and looked at the drafted QB’s in the first 3 rounders.

    No first round QBs: Patriots, Chiefs, Saints, Seahawks, Cowboys

    No first or second round QBs: Chiefs, Saints, Seahawks
    Teams with 3 or more first round QBs: Browns, Redskins, Jags, Titans, Broncos, Vikings

    Teams with 5 or more QBs selected in first 3 rounders: Jets, Browns, Broncos, Bucs, Eagles,

    Teams with 2 or less QB’s selected: Steelers (1 1st), Cowboys (1 2nd), Giants (1 1st), Saints (1 3rd), Chiefs (1 3rd), Ravens (2 1st), Bears (2 1st), Packers (1st & 2nd), Colts (2 1st)

    So there are actually 8 teams that have committed less top half of the draft resources to the QB position than the Bears and they are

    Patriots, Chiefs, Saints, Seahawks, Cowboys, Steelers, Giants, Packers

    • CanadaBear

      What do the Beloved have in common with those teams? Very little. Pats, Saints, Steelers Giants and Packers all have long time franchise QB’s, the Chiefs are rolling with a #1 overall in the draft pick and the Seahawks and Cowboys hit gold in the middle rds. Lucky bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • willbest

      Note: This excludes trades. Bears gave up a lot to get cutler. Skins for RG3. Even the chiefs gave up 2 2nds for Smith, etc. That data however can’t just be copy and pasted into a spreadsheet and sorted and I am not going to commit the time to do it manually

    • BerwynBomber

      Why 22? The pre-Angelo era? Yes, once upon a time we did draft QBs but for the last 13 we have not.

      So how many teams, beside the Bears, have not drafted a QB in the first three rounds in the last thirteen years? Any? One? Crickets?

      • willbest

        I meant to do 20, but grabbed back to 1995 instead, and decided to just go with it since they were already there.

        And of course the Bears spent 3 draft picks on a QB in the last 13 years. They just happened to all be on Jay Cutler.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)
    • CanadaBear

      Good read. !00% agree.

    • willbest

      Cutler’s biggest fuck you to the bears would be to 4 games and shit the bed in the other 5 torching his trade value and dicking us over in the draft.

      • CanadaBear

        He has no trade value now. He won’t be dicking over the Bears. He’s playing for a contract next year with any other team.

        • willbest

          12.5 million with 2.5 million active roster bonus, just as favorable second year, and no guarantees is below market for a guy like Cutler. He will be playing on that contract unless something odd happens. If he comes back and plays like 2015 Cutler, Bears could be looking at a pair of 2nds. If he comes back and does what I described Bears will have to move him for a pair of 4ths, maybe with some conditional upside.

          • CanadaBear

            Doubt it.

          • willbest

            We will find out in about 4-5 months.

          • BerwynBomber

            Hope you’re right, but I am with CB.

          • The ONLY way we’re getting anything for Cutty is the first scenario, playing like Gase Cutty.

            But if that happens, why would the Bears want to trade him?

            I can only think of a few possibilities.

            1. Relationship is irreparably damaged, but that’s partly Cutty’s fault too, much like Fitz in NY.

            2. New Regime that wants their own guy.

            3. Actually believe Hoyer indeed is superior, and cheaper

            4. (All of the above)

            Contrary to popular belief, I actually wanted Cutler this season exactly because he showed he doesn’t have to be an older inj prone Bortles.

            But he looked pre-gase, esp when compared to Hoyer .

            And if he does his schizo act per norm, we’d be lucky to get a 3rd and conditional for him because of his contract and the flood of potential QBs

            (Fitz, Romo? Glennon, Teddy? etc)

        • But he’s awesome, just ask all the Cutlerites!

          32 teams are wrong!

          • BerwynBomber

            In fairness, Jay is one of the top 20 QBs in the league (as ChitownBears said below), but yes, the eternal shell game that is Cutler Apologia is a very tiresome game.

          • I think we did this list b4, but we gotta see how teams see it. In no particular order. Who would PREFER Cutty over their incumbent?

            1. Pats. Plz. Next
            2. Roth. See above
            3. Wilson. ” ”
            4- 23 Luck, Rivers, Rodgers, Cam, Flacco, Eil, Stafford, Carr, Ryan,Brees, Mariota, Dak/Romo, Wentz, Winston, Alex Smith, Palmer, Dalton, Keenum/Goff, Bradford/Teddy, Simien/Lynch

            That’s already 23 teams that would NOT want Cutty (barring catastrophic inj or retirement.

            Then you get to other teams who would LIKELY want their guy over Cargo.

            Tyrod Taylor
            Cousins
            Bortles
            Oz

            That’s 27.

            Add a few possible QBs that will likely be more desired than Cutler.

            Romo, Garrapolo, Glennon, Hoyer, Tannehilll

            That’s 32.

            Is Cutler definitively better than any of those previous 32?

            And that’s not even taking into account the draft, which will offer at least 3 new QBs into the pool.

            So that’s 35.

            So it can reasonably be argued that Cutty will be seen by the NFL as the 36th best option, or worse.

            I think he’ll end up as a “bridge” or back-up in 2017, unless someone like Gase takes a chance on him.

    • Biggsy saying Cutty is done is like a fat Moses declaring the laws atop a spaghetti mountain.

      Here endeth…

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        and…like Everest… Biggsy needs oxygen after making to the top of the mountain…

        • MB30SD

          I don’t remember, but we HAVE to have discussed the irony of Biggsy’s name being Biggsy.

          Do you think it destiny, or a self-fulfilling prophecy?

          • Is it irony? Irony is usually the opposite of what is meant, so what’s the opposite of that?

            “Proper”?

          • MB30SD

            no, it’s ironic that his name is fat and he’s fat.

          • No, if his name were “Tiny” that would be ironic.

            I’m not sure there is a term for “proper”

            Irish, help a brotha out. Literary term?

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            It’s like when the giant bouncer at the door is named “Tiny”. Only the opposite of that.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    In other news, Marc Trestman had a BBQ yesterday in his yard for the Cubs game. Here’s a facebook shot from the occasion:

    http://cdn0.dailydot.com/cache/ef/5e/ef5ec7bf6b12de33c7f40dcecbf05b82.jpg

    • BearDown100393

      How does one BBQ quiche?

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    She may win, but the facts are: the memo is an albatross around the administration for years

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/hacked-memo-reinforces-worst-perception-clintons-n673806

    While the DNC may be licking it’s chops over down ballot races because of Trump, he’s on the fast rail to the dustbin of history and the backlash in the midterms will be strong

    • willbest

      Nah. We have entered the phase of the fall of the republic where the ruling elite doesn’t give a fuck if the sheep know or not. The only question is if the oligarchy forms up before a military coup

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)
        • willbest

          Maximus didn’t trade secrets for poon. I suspect any general with the ballz to do it has been systematically removed.

          • BearDown100393

            Maximus slept with the Emperor’s daughter.

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            damn straight he did!

      • Sactowns#1

        uh hu. You just keep telling yourself that. The revolution is coming! lol

        • willbest

          We aren’t rising up. The question is which set of elites are going to be oppressing you.

          It’s amusing the idiocy involved in your comment. 150 years is actually well above the historical average in terms of cohesion of a country.

          • Sactowns#1

            And the idea of countries is relatively new. Societies were able to thrive for thousands of years without crumbling. So assuming the short period of time in which we occupy this earth is somehow indicative of its totality is idiocy.

          • willbest

            So you want to use the small nomadic tribes of hunter/gathers in your analysis of what is going to happen to the US in the next 50 years rather than limiting yourself to say the last 4,000 years of observable behavior between nations and specifically how we have been carrying on say the last 400-500 years or so?

            You think we have magically found a solution? When the government loses its legitimacy war happens. Its that simple.

          • Sactowns#1

            Man, you really are Euro centric. The native tribes of America, great civilizations of Africa etc etc. I’m glad to see the rise of information technology and what will hopefully be the elimination of nation states. Bring on the bitcoins!

          • willbest

            The tribes of America were literally a thousand years less developed when the Europeans showed up, but your noble Indian roaming the plains in harmony and peace is largely bullshit. Even with a miniscule population density they still fought for territory.

          • Sactowns#1

            Take a look at the Pulitzer prize winning Guns Germs and Steel. I think you’ll find it enlightening.

          • willbest

            How is that relevant to the life of a particular nation, comprised predominantly of Europeans?

            I would also note, I never claimed nor even implied the cause for the European superiority. Just pointed out obvious fact that they were in fact superior technologically superior.

          • Sactowns#1

            I think you were conflating technological achievements with the type of society in which they occurred. In the end, capitalism, representative democracies, our monetary system, will all be replaced with something else, something better.

          • willbest

            The cases where the people in power voluntarily allow a system change to their detriment are far far fewer than where bloodshed is necessary.

            While human advancement trends toward better life for more people over a period of centuries. That is not the case for several generations of humans and individual civilizations. Which incidentally is what most people do and should care about because quite frankly, a great human awakening in 2250 doesn’t benefit me if my greatx6 grandkids aren’t around to see it.

            And we are now so far removed from the original point that the current corruption is so nakedly blatant that the legitimacy of the government is at stake in, and if your newer better economic system doesn’t show up within the next 20 years the pension, social security, and medicare bombs are going to go off, and things are going to get ugly.

          • Sactowns#1

            No. no they wont. You’ll be just fine Will as will all of those programs. To quote one of your heroes “RELAX”.

          • willbest

            Not my hero yet. I still got 2 weeks before I become a Packers fan.

      • Irish will prob argue that the republic fell with the fed reserve act under Wilson.

        Might be right.

        But hasn’t the top 1% ALWAYS controlled the machine?

        Ever since the renaissance, and before that, the top 1% was church not business, so same shit, different smell.

        • willbest

          I didn’t mean to imply that this is the beginning of the end. That has been going on for a while. Talk to a southerner and they will tell you that the Republic died in the 1860’s and the South was the first conquered territory of the American Empire.

          • No, it’s not the beginning of the end, quite the opposite, business as usual.

            It seems like we went from military chiefs/generals, to cardinals/popes, to Pres/CEOs being that top 1% controlling history and mankind.

            One can argue that at least the standard of living has improved, but did political economic trends have anything to do with that?

            It was more science and technology plowing forward often in spite of sociology-economic systems.

            “Democracy” is just a feel good word that masks reality.

            We’re about as much a Republic as The People’s Republic of China.

          • willbest

            Technology freed people from spending most of their day working for survival on about half the planet, the other half still lives that way.

            Amusingly its that same technology that serves as our shackles. What would happen if we rose up and elected Jill Stein? Depression most likely. Hell they are warning Trump will cause a recession (we are due for one regardless of who is President next). Best to just go with the corrupt person who will keep the plates spinning as long as possible rather than suffer through the years of pain and deleveraging that is needed to handle the pension crisis and other credit bubbles.

            The Declaration of Independence wasn’t just a feel good paragraph, it listed a bunch of grievances (many of them trumped up) in order to justify that action of overthrown the Crown. Its kind of quaint what people 200 years ago found intolerable, compared to what we are willing to put up with now.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Al Franken is funnier as a Senator/Hillary Mouthpiece than he ever was on Saturday Night Live.

  • 505Bears

    I have been down on the Bears lately, with good reason. Something tells me though that Jay comes back and kills the Queens at home….Then again, I have been downing Nyquil like it’s going out of style to get over this cold, so maybe that’s a factor.

    • CanadaBear

      Shocked you’re still awake unless you’re chugging the day time version.

      • 505Bears

        No, night time and yeah, I fade in/out. I just went through the Nyquil time warp and it’s an hour later. haha

  • willbest

    Dammit to hell. Dion Lewis is practicing.. I need his Blountness 2-3 more weeks if I am going to climb out of the hole I am in. Also, its bye week so Hopkins, like Fox “I got no choice”. You best put up.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I hear that for Blount!

    • Artoo has Blount in our league and is 2nd.

      I could never trust any Pats back in FF.

      I’m starting Hopkins this week, mostly cuz I need a floor vs Waffle.

      But Hopkins 2nd half schedule is a cakewalk, esp in the playoffs, which I’m 90% positive I’m gonna be in since I’m 6-1 and 100 points ahead of Too

      (Oh, and I just got Booker off waivers, so I should be even stronger).

      #TigerBlood!

  • willbest
  • Can anyone find that pep talk Bmarsh gave to the Bears on “NFL Insiders”?

    I saw it last night, but couldn’t find it on the interwebz.

    It’s…intriguing…

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    so… at FOXY’s Cubs BBQ (the meat is much less rare than at Trestman’s), he’s standin’ over the grill. He has the brats goin, some chicken breasts (he did have bypass surgery after all) and a Miller Lite in one hand and he goes…

    “yeah, I am so OVER that fucker Cutler. So over him. I can’t even tell ya”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-bears-head-coach-john-fox-told-friends-hes-done-with-jay-cutler-165917812.html

    • Bender McLugh

      holy crap…..this is going to go south real quick

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        what would be ironic as hell is if Fox goes but Cutty stays next year.

        That would put Cutler into a tier ABOVE Jeff George as a coach killa, in my opinion.

        • Bender McLugh

          haha woah, that…..cannot happen….can it?

          After reading the “He has no choice” quote from Cutty, it makes me think Fox told him previously that he was done with him. Nothing certain, just seems that way

        • Teddy, “We asked our investors, and they decided Cutler is better for business. Just on memes alone, he’s golden. ”
          Interviewer, “How about winning?”
          Teddy, laughing boisterously while twirling his cigar, “Ah, you must be new to Chicago”

    • But it was just Cutty’s thumb!

      Just ask Will!

    • Sactowns#1

      Wait, you mean he’s over a guy who can never play 16 games in a season? I’m shocked!

      • Bender McLugh

        Gasp you should

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        Where is that clip of Cutler telling Martz to go fuck himself. Or was that Tice?

        can we loop that with some music?

      • willbest

        He would have played 16 games in 2014 except he got benched because pickles gave us the best chance to win or something.

        • That year was fucked up, but how much did the staff have to hate Cutty for them to do that.

          • willbest

            Yeah well that season got off wrong when Briggs was allowed to skip the first day of practice to open up a BBQ joint in California.

          • CanadaBear

            They were just trying to save their worthless asses and blaming Cutler seemed viable.

          • BerwynBomber

            True. But Cutler stunk that year too. That was the year he was the highest paid player in the league, wasn’t it?

            What a disaster of a squad/coaching staff.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            everyone stunk that year.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Is this article implying that Cutler IS a coach killa? Did you hear that Yonny? Just remember that Illinois still has the death penatly(I think) Mmkay?

    • MB30SD

      I think it would be more like, “yeaaaaah, I’m so over coaching and all that’s football. Soooo over it.”

    • BearDown100393

      He told “friends” and those same “friends” ran to FOX news.

      Okay.

    • When the BBQer asked how Fox wants his burger, he replied with a slight shimmer in his eyes.

      “Well.DONE……..like Cutler”

    • SC Dave

      Fuck the bashing, but I have to say that the GIF that “Leilani” posted in the comments section is pretty funny.

  • 505Bears
  • BerwynBomber
    • willbest

      A friend of mine has season tickets. He sold his game 3 tickets. Said they covered the price of the season tickets for next year and then some. He is going to games 4 & 5 though.

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        What would median be for Game 7 in Cleveland do you think?

        • willbest

          hm… They were averaging $2k less than Wrigley in games 1 and 2. But you have to figure the number of Chicagoans willing to fly/drive there for game 6 & 7 would be tremendous. I wouldn’t expect them to go much higher than the Wrigley average though.

    • willbest

      Was this joke on the forum last night?

      “The most expensive world series tickets were the 184 million dollar ones the Cubs bought for Jason Heyward”

    • SC Dave

      Who’da thunk it?

      $3K. Idiots.

  • CJ Anderson is out with torn meniscus (looking at you, Trac!). This was the guy Foxy made a good offer for in FA.

    But what surprises me more is that he still played with a torn meniscus in that game. Wow. No bicycle for him.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/27/report-c-j-anderson-having-knee-surgery/

  • BearDown100393

    Cutler’s Last Stand is going to make a lot of football “experts” look stupid.
    10-6

    • AlbertInTucson

      A guy can dream.

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        lol

    • willbest

      If the Bears finish 10-6. It will not be Cutler’s last stand. BB, Dave, and Butch, will all be back out in front pulling the wagon. Either that or we will all go deaf listening to Irish crow about his PSHs turning future HoFers.

      • SC Dave

        No, I won’t. I WOULD be happy for Jay though.

      • BerwynBomber

        Nah, I’ll give him his props, but like his 2015 season, I’ll likely see it as an aberration. I have been nothing but consistent when it comes to Cutty. I’ve seen him as a talented but flawed and ultimately average starter for years.

        Looking forward to his return, though. Not only could he play well but the whole Cutty/Fox thing could spill out into the public if he doesn’t. Might be fun.

        • willbest

          So you saw 2014, and you thought “Lets get more of that”

          • BerwynBomber

            Unless they truly make a run for the post-season, why not?

            And as a Cutty lover, you should consider hoping for it too. Jay’s never stronger than when you guys martyr him. A full-blown Fox fight might help Jay. Heck, he may outlast yet another coach.

  • You know only one team drafted Dak, right? Most thought his game had no chance to adapt to the NFL level. – Jeff

    Correcto. NO scout had him being this good.

    He was viewed as a Brett Hundley project.

    Who is Brett Hundley? Exactly.

    No doubt that Oline and scheme playing towards his strengths helps, but dude has looked poised and accurate since day one. Sometimes teams just win lottery.

    We seemed to have won them all in those 80s drafts.

    • SC Dave

      Except ours were all OL.

      NTTAWWT!

      • Dent was like a 13th rounder.

        Not shabby.

        But yeah, not at QB, though McMahon was a stud.

        • SC Dave

          Yeah.. and Dent.

          Of course, Hilgenberg was not drafted, despite all the rounds they had.

          Walk-on six time Pro Bowler. At least six.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Dent was an 8th rounder in 1983. So was Mark Bortz.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Hundley. Packer #3 QB(?).

      He had his moments at UCLA

      Good AND bad.

  • willbest

    Kyle Schwarber has not been medically cleared to field. So if we see him again it will be as a pitch hitter or the series is headed back to Cleveland.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I wouldn’t want Schwarber stumbling around in LF even if he WAS medically cleared.

      He’s a defensive liability no matter WHERE he plays.

      Better to DH him when you can and pick a good spot for him to pinch hit when you can’t.

      • the stats say that he was an average defensive left fielder overall last year (small sample of ~50 games).

        He just had a couple big blunders on the national stage in the playoffs so everybody thinks he sucks defensively. Overall, he was serviceable, and that was with no prep time having literally never played the position before. I’m sure with 2 full offseasons to prepare now he will be a replacement level-or better-defender in left field starting in 2017. He’s an excellent athlete, so there’s no reason he can’t do it.

        But as for right now, he should absolutely be a pinch hitter only given the health status of his knee. Next year I expect him to more or less be the every day left fielder, and I for one am THRILLED with that. Elite bat + average outfield defense = stud.

        Even if the outfield defense ends up slightly below average, that’s still well worth the trade to have his bat in your lineup.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Schwarber seems like a great kid and I wish him well but…

          He plays LF every bit like the converted catcher catcher he is.

          Put him out there the ball is going to find him and it won’t be pretty.

          Look at the guy!

          If you look up DH in the dictionary you’ll find HIS photo.

          That was the knock on the Cubs drafting him in the first place.

          He is a liability in Left OR behind the plate.

          Be happy he can DH in Cleveland and can pinch hit in Chicago.

          I don’t weaken my defense to play him in Chicago.

          • not now because of the knee. I play him in LF throughout the playoffs next year with 0 hesitation.

          • AlbertInTucson

            We’re just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, Professor.

  • In FF, I made new offer to Trac and Sac. First come, first serve!

    • Sactowns#1

      Hmmm…. I think I’m going to pass.

      • If you want Pryor in the mix, I can throw him in too. I’ll leave it up.
        You traded away two RBs, getting a decent flex esp with the byes coming up would be a nice option.

        I was going to make that same exact trade with 505 last week but I needed Matt Jones that week to beat Ender.

        Think about it.

  • Nice pic, Jeff!

    Dylan won Nobel, Ginsberg didn’t

    The times they are a-changing..

  • AlbertInTucson

    “…Bears media is growing increasingly annoyed by John Fox lying to them.”

    Wah, Wah Wah.

    With an awful lot of what passes today for “Media” just looking to create controversy, get clicks, and make names for themselves, I wouldn’t share anything important with them, either.

    • What was Fox supposed to say?

      Cutler sucks, and he’s not really injured, but benched – ?

      Imagine the shit storm that would’ve created.

      What is he supposed to say now?

      I don’t want Cutler starting, but Barkley less – ?

      Of course he’s going to lie. Fox also has to consider trade value.

      • AlbertInTucson

        If you withhold information under oath, it’s lying.

        If you withhold information from the media, it’s not.

        • I actually believe Fox expressed perhaps the only true statement he ever made when talking about the QB situation

          “We don’t have a plan”

          I think once Hoyer started playing efficiently, Fox kinda shrugged and said, we’ll see.

          • AlbertInTucson

            It’s the NFL.

            You’re as good as your last game.

            “You can’t lose your job because of an injury.”

            Hogwash.

            If I’m Dallas, Dak has to PLAY his way out of the starter’s job.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Or,

            “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

          • The one and ONLY viable rationale I heard for Romo starting (later in the season) is that if they do indeed make the playoffs, who does Dallas want in that situation?

            A rook, or a grizzled vet.

            It’ll be an interesting conundrum.

            If the Boys clinch homefield advantage, I wonder if they start Romo to get him warmed up just in case.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Better to have the Vet come off the bench, I think.

          • MB30SD

            The only problem in this specific scenario is that romo historically shits the bed in December and jan

          • willbest

            I think he is somewhere around .500 in December, not exactly a shit the bed but not the kind of play if you aren’t already coasting to the playoffs. As for January… Peyton shit the bed too.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, but romo is known for it.

            You and your… stats. Pshaw!

          • willbest

            That is an interesting exercise. I will break it up into tiers #1/2, 3/4, 5/6 seed. If there is no chance at going down a tier, I would play Romo in week 17 to get him game ready and to rest Dak.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Also if you lie, and you’re Hillary Clinton, it’s not lying.

          • BearDown100393

            A bigly lie? Or just a regular one?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Her’s are definitely of the “Bigly’ variety.

            I hear she’s sick, again.

          • Sactowns#1

            lol The right will lose and continue to shrink. Get over it.

          • shrinkage.

          • willbest

            “Elaine, do women know about shrinkage?”

          • AlbertInTucson

            “DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN” – Chicago Tribune, 1948.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Let me explain another fine example of rigged elections Al.

            There was a black candidate for president in 1968 named Dick Gregory. The system gave him 9 million votes in Pennsylvania by mistake. They were meant for Kennedy and someone flubbed the dub big time. Also, did you know that all of the states votes are sent to New York before they’re ratified? True story.

            Everyone knows!

          • SC Dave

            Smile away as you are made a slave. Yessum, massa.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Truth is they all pretty much such. People have a choice between fascism or communism lite. Sigh…

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            As in Vinny the Chin Gigante sick?

        • SC Dave

          Actually, on the first point, it’s a matter of the question asked.

          Right Will?

          • willbest

            It perjury if its under oath. Its lying if you know the statement is untrue. You are just wrong if the statement is untrue and you think it is. Its also not a lie if at the time you made it, it was true or you thought it was true.

            I think what Al was trying to say is nobody gives a fuck if you lie to the media, except of course the media.

          • SC Dave

            Yeah, I got what Al was saying. I was just trying to understand whether not offering information not requested is a problem. I would think not, and not even require the protection of the fifth amendment.

          • willbest

            I don’t do a lot of trial work, but whenever I defend a deposition I always say
            1) Listen to the question
            2) think about the question
            3) Answer only the question
            4) Do not explain your answer
            5) You can say “I don’t remember” or “I don’t know”
            6) Don’t lie.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Thank you, counselor.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Lol

    • SC Dave

      ABSOLUTELY. The media is entirely untrustworthy in every way.

    • BearDown100393

      The Bears media should be focused on the historical turnaround about to occur when the team wins 9 in a row.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Something every one of them would HATE to see.

      • MB30SD

        No they should be focused on the abomination that it teddy ballgame. Cunt

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          One of the most storied? The most storied. Tis but a distant memory but still…..

          • MB30SD

            true enough, and teddy ballgame is at the front of the how and why line baby.

            Fucking throw that bum out on his fucking nerd ear and get NationWide in this mofo post fucking haste!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol. MB’s feelin it!

          • MB30SD

            that PUBLIC quote disgusted me. How in thee fuck can the president of the Chicago fucking Bears not care about winning!?!?!

            What in thee fuck is going on here?!?!?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Whao! That was an actual comment of his? Wow!

          • MB30SD

            yep, google it.

  • This new inj report shit is really fucking annoying.

    I got 7 players on my FF squad that are “questionable” – it can range from sore muscles to amputated knee.

    • willbest

      Yeah I try not to bother until Sunday, but I have been boned by the TNF once this season.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I once sat Westbrook when he was “Questionable” and he promptly scored 3 TDs.

      • MB30SD

        he was such a badass… then, poof! just retired one day. (or was that someone else?)

  • AlbertInTucson

    More on media.

    Don’t you love when they take a like, a full minute just to ASK a question.

    Or when they feel they need to identify themselves and their employer

    “Um, yes coach, Joe Smith, House & Garden Sports…”

    • SC Dave

      Narcissism.

      • AlbertInTucson

        We don’ t care WHO you are or who you REPRESENT, doofus. Just ask your stupid question.

  • BerwynBomber

    Mariota has touch. Leads the league in RZ passer rating. Wish the fuck Pace had been able to pull off that trade. Alas …

    • Titans have odd stat though. Efficient in red zone, but don’t get there that much. Like the opposite of us under Hoyer.

      that was a beautiful deep ball by Mariota.

      Although, I’m still not sold on him.

      It’s hard for me to trust QBs who played in spread/read option systems in college.

      • BerwynBomber

        He looks comfortable under center and on a deep drops. I always thought he would be a quick study. Seemed like that type of kid.

    • willbest

      He is ranked 24th (53.5) in QBR this season and was 26th last year (51.6). He is young, and in a shitty situation though. Maybe if he had better coaches.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, not exactly lighting up passer efficiency-wise, except in RZ PR. But I still like him.

  • Derrick Henry, Irish man crush, is one big MOFO.

    Kinda has that Dickerson straight up running style, but not as fast.

  • And this is why WRs are so hard to predict each game.

    Wright already with like 50yd and a TD, meanwhile a guy like ODB can get blanked.

    Nuts.

    • willbest

      Its hard to keep ODB down for long

      • I think Cruz and Shepard are taking a lot of his targets, and along with getting doubled, it’s bringing down his production and frustrating the shit out of him.

        • willbest

          I am shocked, SHOCKED that a top 5 WR would be upset with his production. Its unheard of.

          • most of that came from his 200 yd game vs Ravens.

            But, that’s who he is. Can blow up, then be relatively quiet for weeks. In fact, it seems like every 3rd game he blows up after 50ish yd games.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Is that you, Captain Renault?

  • BerwynBomber

    Both TEN and JAX have a bit of talent. But I don’t trust their HCs, and in TEN’s case, their ownership.

  • BerwynBomber

    Btw, saw a graphic on ESPN this afternoon that Tom Brady is already the heavy favorite to win the league MVP (yup, even after missing four games). Second in odds? Ezekiel Elliot.

    Oh, and Brady’s PR after three games is a staggering 132.

    • willbest

      He shouldn’t get it. They went 3-1 without him. And Elliot isn’t even the best offensive player on the cowboys let alone the league.

      I still like Matt Ryan. Though the Falcons have lost 2 close ones.

      • Eliot might break Dickerson’s rookie rushing record.

        • willbest

          possibly, but put Sanchez in there and see how he runs, even behind that line.

          • Could say the same for Brady.

            Put Garrapolo in there and see how Bill will coach him to MVP

            Most MVPs don’t succeed in a vacuum.

          • willbest

            I get fixated on the word valuable. Lets say the Pats go 15-1 this season. The rough estimate for Brady’s value is he brought 4 wins to that team. If they go 13-3 however then he was worth a little over 1 win.

            What ends up happening with MVP though is they take the top 3 QBs, best WR, top defensive player, and best RB and figure out who had the best highlight reel.

          • SC Dave

            Kinda why Forte was never considered for MVP when he was literally half the offense a couple of times.

            The coolest MVP ever was when Andre Dawson won for the last place Cubs. Dont expect to ever see that shit again.

      • BerwynBomber

        But you could make the same “he’s not even the best O player on his team” about Ryan too. See: Julio Jones.

    • Think Julio Jones should be in that convo.

      Just playing out of his mind.

      • BerwynBomber

        Like minds: just mentioned him below in response to will.

  • Lol JAGS just quit.

    And we lost to them. SMH

    • BerwynBomber

      You mean HOYER lost to them. Actually Cutty lost to Gabbert and SF last year, which might even been more damning.

      But in fairness to both our QBs, maybe it says more about our coaching staff than them.

      • willbest

        Was that the game they were lining Forte up wide because they only had Mariani and Bellamy at WR?

        • BerwynBomber

          I don’t remember that but it was the game that started with a Cutty pick six. Jimmy Ward, once of NIU fame, did the honors.

          • SC Dave

            That last sentence is truth.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Whoa,whoa, whoa!

        Cutler set Robbie up for a game winning chip shot, which Gould promptly yanked and then the defense came out started OT surrenduring an 80 yard Td pass from Gabbert. Not to mention the late 40 yard gallop by Gabbert to tie the game up.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          no one cares about those details. it was Cutty’s fault.

          • BerwynBomber

            Awwwww, poor Cutty. He’s so unfairly criticized!!!! Almost like Hoyer. Waaaaa …

        • MB30SD

          sigh.

          god I’m tired of sucking.

          My Chief Architect is going back to Chi for the vikings MNF game. yes, he’s a bears fan, part of the reason I hired him. Anyway, I feel badly for him… first game he’s seen in like 20 years.

        • BerwynBomber

          Cutler also threw pick six early on. Something we’d string up Hoyer for.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Well, whoa, whoa and double-whoa!

            He led a game winning drive in the last 2 minutes.

            Is he supposed to kick the ball and play defense, too?

            He had them in position to win.

            Late special teams and defensive breakdowns lost that game so spare ME the righteous indignation.

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  • And just to make sure, JAGS quit again!

    What effort by Mariota. Man, he zoomed to block for Murray.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Love that dude, and he’s money going downfield. Mostly.

      Man, I don’t know how they’re not running Henry on 50% of the runs – keep both of them fresh, swap over every play or so. He’s a load, but they’re just not using him.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    The following trade has been accepted in your ESPN Fantasy Football league PaceBots2019.
    To: Multiple Scoregasms (SHDY) – H B
    From: Magnus Bearson (NBIT) – Motty Stone
    SHDY trades
    Trevor Siemian, Den QB
    Isaiah Crowell, Cle RB
    Jarvis Landry, Mia WR
    NBIT trades
    Aaron Rodgers, GB QB
    Stefon Diggs, Min WR
    Sterling Shepard, NYG WR

    So, flash poll – did Shady fleece or get fleeced?

    • WTH?

      So basically Crowell for Roders?

      NB, you can’t tank for higher draft pick next season!

    • willbest

      Diggs has lost a lot of value with Minny being out of tackles.

      • I like Digg’s talent, but

        1. That D is always going to keep games close, so they’ll never air it out. Even last week when the Vikes were down they just dumped it off to Asiata.

        2. They’re run heavy

        3. Bradford

        4. Diggs is limping around

        Shepard is the 3rd option, and Shady has ODB. Can’t start TWO Gmen WRs unless he thinks Eli is going to go bonkers.

        So Rodgers is the only value from that side. (However, Rodgers is not exactly tearing it up either. He’s behind Tyrod Taylor in our league)

        Simeian and Landry are just throw ins.

        NB must believe in Crowell.

        Shady needed a QB, and I guess NB needed a RB.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Crowell and Landry are semi-studly. Siemian will have his weeks if you rotate your QBs.

      On the other side, Diggs has no value, Shephard has some but Eli is his QB, and he’s got Cruz and OBJ to share with. Shady trades away two #1 guys for a couple of #2s, you could pick up a guy like Mariota off waivers (he has more FF points than Rodgers). A-Rod has little value in fantasy right now, like Jordy. NBIT gets two weekly scorers for him there, plays off the perceived value of Aaron. I like it.

      • Landry and Wallace (who NB has) essentially have the same stats thus far.

        They’re WR2s at best.

        If NB wanted to, he could’ve got Ty Montgemory for $2 off waivers who has higher upside.

        Oh well. NB has Luck and Wilson anyways.

        Odd trade though.

  • Bortles still throwing like a pitcher.

  • Irish Sweetness

    We cut Glenn and promoted Hurst from the PS? That’s a bullshit move if ever there was one. Pace is mental. I get that Glenn plays like a hothead, but you just bench him and tell him to grow up, not swap him for some POS player. Probably see him win a superbowl with the Pats now. The fact that Hurst is even on the PS to begin with speaks to Pace’s dunce nature.

    • willbest

      Glenn was resigned to the practice squad. He will rise again like the Phoenix

      • Irish Sweetness

        Oh, cool. They might be dog-housing him. Good. See ya next year!

  • BerwynBomber

    Wouldn’t mind seeing this TEN team prevail in the AFCS. New blood. And Mariota, Murray and Henry could be tough to handle.

    • Irish Sweetness

      LeBeau in charge, of the D, could be a nice team. But after all the money JAX spent, wow …

      • AlbertInTucson

        The Gus Bailey Farewell Tour has begun.

  • willbest

    Jury of your peers FTW. I know one of you all posted something about those guys that took over the Federal cabin out in Oregon. Bundy himself despite the acquittal is to stay in Federal custody and be shipped to Nevada so he can stand trial for that standoff.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jury-acquits-leaders-of-oregon-standoff-of-federal-charges/ar-AAjuxZf

    • SC Dave

      Most disturbing is that the federal marshalls saw fit to brutally assault the defense attorney.

      Not surprising, however. The totalitarians corrupt first the media, then the educatiinal system, then the courts.

      Seems we’ve entered stage 3.

  • At least the Bears haven’t quit like the Jags.

    This Jags team is like the ’14 Bears. Yuck.

  • I’m sure this blowout by two losing expansion teams will increase ratings.

  • Ah. maybe NB watched Murray pull up and decided “Crowell!”

  • AlbertInTucson

    Great. I just cut Henry to pick up T. Coleman in our mid-seaon re-entry draft.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Putting in claims on him everywhere now. Coleman is out with a hammy for the forseeable.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Brilliant.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I DO have Murray.

    • There’s a lot of backups in committees that if one goes down, the other becomes a feature back.

      Murray/Henry was one of those

      Booker/CJ Anderson was another (I picked up Booker b4 the news came out about CJ)

      • AlbertInTucson

        I have Murray. Should have left well enough alone. I would not have played both at the same time but I lost my insurance policy.

        Other starting backs are Blount and J. Hill if I decide to go with 3 backs, which I did this week.

        Beckham, Hopkins and if I go 3 receivers but benched Hopkins because Osweiler looks so bad.

        Receivers are Bakdwin and Graham this week with ODB bye.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Yay! Go jags!

  • Irish Sweetness

    Damn, Murray’s back.

  • And this is exactly where Bortles gets all his stats. Junk time.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Jock Jizz has gotten 32 carries in back to back weeks for the Bucs

    Yay Langford

    • Irish Sweetness

      Can’t believe we got rid of him. Perry too. Jocksqueeze is now a thing in fantasy. In PPR leagues he’ll be a stud!

      • AlbertInTucson

        He was always in the tub for the Bears.

    • MB30SD

      the bucks.

      and I always like the squeeze

  • Irish Sweetness

    Anyone watch ‘Undrafted’ ? I just started watching it. Man, I want to be one of these undrafted guys. Where do they get the TVs and cars? 5’6 unemployed receiver driving his Lexus and bitching about how hard it is getting into the NFL when you’re small. Looks like you’re doing okay, dude!

    • SC Dave

      Did he play in the SEC?

  • AlbertInTucson

    I wonder what they are paying Jay Feely for those valuable insights?

  • Irish Sweetness
    • MB30SD

      wow, that will be a beatdown Irish (sorry), but some of you boys in chi DEF need to go check it out. super fun matches. and rugby groupies are sluuuuuts! hahaha

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      I’m down for that. Haka!

  • BerwynBomber

    Fuck, there is another London game this week, and it’s actually a decent match-up? CIN/WAS.

    #GoodellSucks

    • willbest

      Personally I am happy for our friends across the pond, we usually send them games that are going to be shit shows. This might be too, but at least there is possibility.

    • Yeah, sucks for me cuz Reed may or may not be out of the game, and I’m not about to wake up at 5:30 am just to find out.

  • Damn. I should’ve started Bortles!

    #garbageKing

  • Huge Bears Penis
    • MB30SD

      #freemiranda!

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        If she’s a B cup, she gets time in slammer.

        C Cup, parole
        D Cup, she gets to walk

        • MB30SD

          Ohhhh, rookie wage scale! I like it!

          A cup… death penalty?

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            Absolutely.

            DD – her insurance premium doesn’t even go up.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    PSA. Hoyer and Bears lost to this team.”

    Here’s some salt for that wound:

    …By blowing a 16-3 4th quarter lead.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Zig Frecassi, Sirius/XM NFL “Late Hits” tonight read a report that “John Fox is done with Cutler.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-bears-head-coach-john-fox-told-friends-hes-done-with-jay-cutler-165917812.html

  • Balls ur girl aftr Hoyer 4play

    My experiment has set me free.

    I pointed out every single drive killing soul crushing 3rd and 4th down conversion miss and the exact reason why it happened to kill a false narrative about the starting QB and how it relates to this year.

    The response was to have someone point out Time of Possession in the Houston game as proof positive of the inefficiency of the QB. Another went so far as to cite ONE pass that wasn’t completely accurate as the sign of a new quarterback being needed and a brutal snap from our rookie center that killed a drive and when was then used as a reason why the QB sucks.

    Oh yes, this in fact happened. It goes to show how far some have fallen and how crazy it has gotten here on the blog and in chicago.

    This type of interaction and an insane work schedule developing has given me peace to say it and most likely to follow through on it. So long boys.

    • SC Dave

      Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        Oh Christ Dave, chill with the asshole routine.

    • CanadaBear

      Jesus Johnny don’t take it so personal. Not to mention, you can’t quit us. You love us. Not to mention Co-dependent.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Some dude I never heard of named Joel Murray (is he a Murray brother? he looks young for that) is on XRT with Lin and Mary Dixon this morning. They are live at Wrigley

    Here is the dude’s twatter:
    https://twitter.com/JoelMurray9of9

    Brehmer transitions into mattress ad, for some mattress company they constantly plug.

    This Joel cat says “right now there are 20 something women all over the city doing all kinds of things to get Cubs tickets, I’m sure they will soon need new mattresses.”

    Lin and Mary Dixon came to a full stop. At least a 3 second awkward silence while they shifted out of that.

    It was a funny moment. Dude has balls.

    • CanadaBear

      It’s Bill’s brother. You’ve seen him on numerous sit coms but didn’t know his name. He’s the youngest of the brothers.

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