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Removing John Fox for Vic Fangio Before the Bye Won’t Happen, But it Should

| October 17th, 2016

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This has never been a hot take blog. It has never been an overly praising or overly doomsday one either. I’ve always believed much of sports lives in a gray area, a world of nuance, a world of maybe. I’ve never denied being a passionate fan of the Chicago Bears and it’s that subjective approach I hope makes this a fun place to be. But I’ve tried to address the club objectively.

Through six games, objectively speaking, John Fox has been a disgrace.

Excluding the Dallas game, wherein the Bears were thoroughly outplayed by a far better team, the Bears have outscored their other five opponents in the first half 51-35. After halftime, where presumably adjustments are made to the game plan, the Bears have been outscored 74-33.

+16.

-41.

That is a 57 point difference. And that, folks, is a disgrace.

These are not random numbers. These are not flukey statistics. The Bears are lining up with their opponents and displaying they are every bit as good and capable of winning through two quarters. Then the teams go into a room. Talk a bit. Return the field. And the Bears get embarrassed.

The reason isn’t injuries. The same guys are playing both halves. The reason isn’t Brian Hoyer, who is not helping with his dink and dunk approach, but certainly isn’t hurting the team. The reason is the head coach.

Last year, at 0-3, fans were prepared for a dismal season. But the fourth game, home to Oakland, Jay Cutler put the Bears on his back and won a game at the death. The following week, at Arrowhead, Cutler did the same thing. Jay prevented Fox and the Bears from falling into an inescapable 0-5 hole and single-handedly kept the season afloat.

Without Cutler’s heroics, Fox’s flaws are coming to the forefront of this disastrous Chicago Bears season. He is brutal with challenges. He is brutal at crunch time; look no further than the butchering of the final minutes of the first half Sunday which Fox managed to exit point-less but with ALL THREE of his timeouts. He seems to have no feel for where the Bears organization is in their transition, choosing to put tired veterans on the field instead of young potential.

But worse than all of this is how the team withers in the fourth quarter. They are uninspired. They are lethargic. They are resigned to their fate. This football team doesn’t fight for every yard, every point. They don’t play with the kind of passion a team needs to overcome the injuries and the backup quarterback.

Ryan Pace can deny it all he wants, and I’m sure he will deny it publicly, but the Bears have just lost two games they had no business losing. They lost two games to bad teams. And those two wins would have the team 3-3, slowly building back up the enthusiasm of an entire city and fan base.

Pace needs to make a move. Not today, of course, with Green Bay and Minnesota looming. But he needs to make a move for the future of this franchise. If the Bears, as expected, lose these next two divisional battles and fall to 1-7, Pace should move on from John Fox and promote Vic Fangio to head coach. Would this be impulsive? Possibly. Would it be unfair? Potentially. Do I care? Not in the slightest.

The truth is there are a hundred John Foxes out there. There’s no denying his history and success but sometimes guys lose their fastball. When Chuck Pagano and Gus Bradley are outcoaching you, you haven’t lost your fastball. You’ve lost your throwing arm. If the Bears need to find another Fox in January it won’t be very hard because, quite frankly, what unique traits does he bring to the table?

Fangio is not only qualified to be a head coach in this league but he has the temperament and attitude that will play both in the locker room and with the press/fans. (Just go check out his baseball commentary from the last two seasons.) And if Fangio is somehow able to rally the troops and mount a successful second-half campaign, the Bears can entrust the next several years to a guy who’ll be focused on continuing to build a great defense while entrusting the offense, which may include bringing along a young QB, to an offensive coach with autonomy. (Look no further to how Elway handled Denver after exiling Fox.)

This move will also do something the Bears should not underestimate. Moving Fox out for Fangio will infuse Soldier Field with enthusiasm down the stretch. It will send a message that these horrible results against poor opponents will neither be excused nor tolerated.

Will this happen? Unlikely. Pace will not want to admit he got this pivotal decision wrong after only a season and a half. But it’s starting to feel like every day the Bears leave John Fox in charge is another day of a rebuild wasted. Through 22 games of their tenures, Marc Trestman had 11 wins. By December he had 0% chance to keep his job.

Fox shouldn’t get to Election Day.

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  • CanadaBear

    Can’t say I disagree. The constant slow starts, no enthusiasm, no urgency, no adjustments at halftime. The Bears seem like they are passing out Valium in the locker room at half time.

    • MB30SD

      No identity is the big one for me.

  • I think injuries impacted the 2nd half of the Eagles game. But remove that game and the trend still applies.

  • willbest

    I think Nathan lane has been the best coach on the bears the last 3 weeks. When I called for Fox’s head 3 weeks ago it was Vic. But the D has been dogshit the last 2 weeks. Yes Birdcage needs to figure out a red zone game plan, but at least the offense is winning the field position battle.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    The lethargic attitude from the head coaches is getting old. This past 3 head coaching staff is proving that being nice won’t cut it because young players need to be fired up.

    Someone said they’d rather have brains than passion and fire in a few threads ago…well, it ain’t working! And having fire and passion does not always equate to being dumb and stupid, but for crying out loud, it’s the NFL!

    Did the McCaskeys’s method of wanting “yes sir/no sir” mentality trickle down to the fan? Is this one of the reasons why people hate Cutler? This entire organization is having a serious identity crisis……

    • MB30SD

      #bringbackcowher

      • AlbertInTucson

        I think if Cowher was coming back he would have been back by now.

        • MB30SD

          Agree all, just throwing it out there

          • Huge Bears Penis

            #bringbackzombiehalas

    • CanadaBear

      Nothing a good season or two wouldn’t fix. This will be the 6th straight year the Bears miss the playoffs. People have gone from pissed to apathy. it’s up to the Bears to change that.

  • BearDown100393

    You don’t fire a Head Coach who will lead this team to an 11-5 record this season. Relax….

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    ‘Fox shouldn’t get to election day”? Neither should the 3 front runners.

    • MB30SD

      Ha!

  • MB30SD

    I tend to agree. He’s so obviously done and doesn’t give a rat’s assume anymore. Sad.

  • BearDown100393

    This season isn’t over. Plenty of football left to be played.

    • MB30SD

      Was it over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor

      • BearDown100393

        LOL Never!

      • Irish Sweetness

        We’ll never forget MB. Nazi bastards!

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      We’re only in the 2nd qtr.

      • BearDown100393

        EXACTLY

    • willbest

      Bad football. A nice 20 to 20 experience where we don’t close and our TOP and lack of TOs means the opponents don’t score many points.

      • BearDown100393

        Dammit we are running the table. A 30 for 30 in the making.

  • BearDown100393

    If I wanted to read Rosendoom, I’d go to the Trib site. What’s the matter with you?
    11-5

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Hey I found a Disqus handle more tasteless than the ones I usually concoct

    https://disqus.com/by/AimingforYoko/

    • beninnorcal

      Damn, that is pretty bad. Yet somehow good.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Hey Waffle –

    Check out Biggsy in that grid shirt in the embedded video:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-haugh-bears-rock-bottom-spt-1017-20161016-column.html

    You could design Westworld on that grid.

    • PaceBot 2000

      That shirt size at the Big and Tall Store is called “inverted fat covered penis”.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)
  • I wanted to dump Fox and promote Fangio as interim 3 games ago. This is an obviously ill coached team that lacks heart, and that trickles down from the HC.
    I said the biggest hurdle this team needs to clear is learning how to win, and the still havnt learnrd that. But Fox isn’t making it any easier and might actually be a fucking liability.
    If Pace wants to axe him at the bye so we won’t look like the Browns, I’m ok with that i guess

    • MB30SD

      yah

    • Irish Sweetness

      But why promote the one guy who is n ‘t doing his job. Fox’s only role is the little red hankie thrower. Ball-less is supposed to be pressurizing opposing passers, instead he lets them stand in there and chill. It’s killing us.

      When McPhee and Floyd are healthy – turn the dogs loose.

  • MB30SD
    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      That’s Willy Bs pal.

      • MB30SD

        I know

      • willbest

        I didn’t even know who he was until I started seeing the hate pour out on him. And over what? because he agreed with a jury verdict and likes prego porn. The amount of anger over thoughtcrime these days ridiculous.

        • MB30SD

          I thought he was getting massive love. That’s all I’ve heard on the radio, everyone calling him a nerd hero

          • willbest

            Then he did a reddit AMA without scrubbing his history and they found out that he had opinions that are no longer acceptable in current year.

          • MB30SD

            I heard that, personally, I don’t give a shit as long as theirs no kiddie porn or shit like that. Dude’s a nerd, what do you expect.

          • willbest

            Neither do I. He is just some guy, hasn’t done anything illegal, and the internet ran a 2-minute hate drill on him.

          • MB30SD

            yep, standard stuff

  • willbest

    Fox say’s Cutler wouldn’t have practiced today if there was practice.

    • BerwynBomber

      Sounds like Hoyer has at least one more start. Maybe Cutty is ready for MIN. Welcome back!

    • CanadaBear

      Any time Fox is forthcoming with info when he doesn’t have to, makes you go hmmmmm. I guess that’s his way of saying Cutler isn’t playing Thurs.

  • willbest

    Man… I wish we played the Vikings on Thursday night, and the Packers on 10 days of rest. We might have actually had a shot at wining the game in that situation.

    • BearDown100393

      The Bears will win both.

  • beninnorcal

    Fox would still probably be a better president than the Donald or granny Hillary.
    #JohnFox’16

    • Why not Grandpa Donald? He’s no spring chicken.

      • willbest

        If you can grab a pussy, you are still young at heart.

  • willbest

    In point of fact, we do have Trestman under contract, and he isn’t doing anything else. We could probably bring him back in and force him to coach the last 9 games.

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    • MB30SD

      you are fucking certifiable.

      • willbest

        Its this sort of out of the box thinking that makes me good at my job. But it is a tool and can be used for both evil and good.

        • MB30SD

          yes, in this case… you’re fucking certifiable. He is evil (to american football)

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)
  • BerwynBomber

    (From Biggsy’s ten thoughts article. Have at it …)

    I asked Jaguars cornerback Davon House about facing Hoyer and Cutler. He knows plenty about facing Cutler having spent the first four seasons of his career with the Packers.

    “I think they look better with Hoyer,” House said. “Hoyer is not going to make the mistakes that Jay does. Jay forces the ball. Hoyer is not going to make the same mistakes. In the first half, he did anything and everything he wanted. Second half, we kind of held him down and I don’t know if it’s because we changed our gameplan or he played conservative. We did a good job of containing him.

    “Your team licks its chops when it’s playing Cutler because there is a big chance you will have more than one opportunity to get picks. That’s because Jay has trust in his receivers and his arm and he forces the ball in there.”

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      What if we rotated Jay and Brian in there, series to series or even play to play? Really FUCK with the opposing D.

      • MB30SD

        Here you go:

        INT
        Field Goal
        TD
        Missed Field Goal
        Sack-fumble
        Field goal
        TD

        I’ll let you guess who’s who

        • BerwynBomber

          2016 Rodgers? Couldn’t resist.

          • MB30SD

            maybe, haven’t been paying much attention to him.

          • willbest

            Its been ugly. And it looks like they are going to lose Bulaga for a little bit.

          • MB30SD

            *sniff*

            fuck them, cunts have it coming.

        • Hey. That’s 20 points. I’d kill for that.

      • BearDown100393

        Why rotate? Put both on the field at the same time.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Bringing Cutty in for the crucial throws would be nice. An impossible scenario unfortunately.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        has anyone asked Cutty to try kicking field goals in practice? I mean his feet still work if his hands don’t. Might be an improvement to BARF.

  • BerwynBomber

    My bet is Fox is on a three year handshake deal, but if it goes completely off the rails — say, 3-13 or worse — then the handshake could be forgotten.

    But can’t imagine a mid-season pink slip.

    • willbest

      handshake or not he has 4-year ink on the dotted line deal.

      • BerwynBomber

        I hear ya. I was only speculating that the turn around plan may have been three years. But who the F knows. Especially once the natives get restless.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Firing him would solve nothing. Fangio leaving would be great

      for the defense.

  • willbest

    Doing the jobs American Lawyer won’t do?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/17/ontario-alcs-blue-jays-indians-chief-wahoo-offensive

    Trying to get the Indian logo/name banned in Canada.

  • AlbertInTucson

    A mid-season coaching change would still surprise me.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Undersec of State was a Clinton lackey, in the bag (with a name like Kennedy, what did you expect?) and attempted to horse trade favors with the FBI to get Clinton’s server re-classified

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/17/quid-pro-quo-fbi-files-allege-top-state-official-tried-to-influence-bureau-on-clinton-emails.html

    What’s upsetting is the horse trades. He offered to allow the FBI to station agents in countries they are currently not allowed in.

    Holy shit, it’s like “hey, you guys can be CIA-lite, but here’s what I want for it”

    Ugly shit.

    • willbest

      Why do you think they finally cut off Julian?

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        I think Julian has encryption keys to some very nasty files. He’ll find a way to get the key to somebody else. Those tweets that went out from him are a deadman switch.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Waffle –

    This guy lived the dream. read what happened. DO IT! DO IT!

    http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/i-bought-the-cheapest-running-manual-porsche-911-in-the-1787818839

    • willbest

      A client let me borrow his 2012 911 for a weekend a couple years back. Very nice car, the roads in Chicago are shit though. I feel like if I ever got a performance car I would need to move to an area where I could properly appreciate it.

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        like Germany

        • In his head, he’s already there, circa ’38

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

          • willbest

            You have me confused for your side. I am not interested in a global empire.

          • Sactowns#1

            Yeah come on guys, the right is all about freedom of choice and diversity. it’s the left that cant handle your freedom!

          • willbest

            Firebombs are just free speech amirite?

          • Sactowns#1

            lol. I love when the right plays the violence victim. It’s probably one of the funniest things right after “reverse racism”. Bwahahahaha

          • willbest

            Which incidents of political violence in US history was perpetrated by the GOP? Or are we still atoning for that whole civil war thing?

          • Sactowns#1

            You’re right, they are the paragons of peaceful debate and open-mindedness.

          • Was Oklahoma City political?

          • willbest

            Which side was he on? Since it was done in response to the governments Ruby Ridge (Bush) and Waco (Clinton).

          • Libertarian according to the Internet. Flippin’ libtard! (was that used correctly?)

          • willbest

            The other question I have for you, even if you assume its right wing violence, does it matter to you that the firebombing, the twat banning, the youtube decommercializing, the spray painting vehicles, and rioting to shut down your opponents political rally are things that were targeted against private citizens, where as McVeigh choose what would be classified as a military target?

          • Number one, I don’t condone any violence – be it from the far left or far right. They’re both crazy when you get into the fringes. McVeigh killed 19 children in the building’s daycare center. How is that military?

            Twitter banning, YouTube decommercialization (not sure what you’re referring to) and spray painting vehicles are more acceptable to me than someone shooting up a Planned Parenthood (another act targeted at private citizens) because of their religious/political worldviews. Do you disagree?

          • MB30SD

            hahahahahahhaa, that was very funny.

            Fucking nazis.

            Also, love Klaus

    • PaceBot 2000

      he is a visionary.

  • hey all. disappeared for a bit there. son’s been sick, so between doctor visits, hospital overnights, and the bears completely shitting the bed i haven’t made time to waste time here. not that any time with you gentlemen is wasted, but you know what i mean.

    hot damn. we’re garbage, huh?

    i’m terrified of going 1-7, firing fox, then going on a run and finishing 7-9 and drafting middle of the pack. again.

    • willbest

      We won’t. There isn’t enough talent on the roster, and none of the coordinators are Darth Hoodie who can somehow spin dog shit into chocolate.

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      Sorry to hear your son has been ill. Hopefully he gets better soon.

      • on the mend. viral infection that settled in his lungs, and every time it seemed like we were in the clear, some other thing popped up and kicked things back into overdrive. scary stuff when your 11-month-old can’t breathe.

        • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

          very. Good doctors are worth their weight in gold.

          • MB30SD

            jes.

            GP, you should check The Accountant. Would be interested in your take on Ben’s portrayal. Fun flick but I thought a few times, he broke protocol for being a pretty righthand spectrum character

        • PaceBot 2000

          that sucks man, I remember staying up 2 nights in a row when my little one had some crazy bronchiol infection. It seemed like she was in a constant state of choking.

          I bought some crazy Swedish contraption and fucking snorted that gunk out of her nose. It was like a fucking miracle….I recommend for stuffy nose and crazy chest issues

          http://www.nosefrida.com/

          • haha. we have a frida. he hates it, but we get excited to see it fill up with his snot. we also used their “windi” when he was smaller. you try that one? led to some interesting poosplosions on the changing table.

          • PaceBot 2000

            lol, I’ve used them all man. I’m going to do anything possible to keep those damn kids alive long enough for someone’s else’s fucked up kids to eventually ruin them.

          • SC Dave

            You know, our parents were probably just as scared, but we lived through all that shit without the equivalent of an inverse douche shoved up our noses.

          • Did we? Or did we all die and this is an inception matrix 13th floor where we’re living in a dream inside a computer inside a simulation?

          • willbest

            I like what I am hearing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

        • MB30SD

          Ev, sorry to hear that. Very happy he’s getting better. you guys have my thoughts maings.

    • beninnorcal

      Good to hear your boy is feeling better, I have an 11 month old girl, spending time in a hospital sounds pretty scary.

  • Bernie Cohen

    C’mon! Any way you look at it, the Bear’s organization stinks. They are the Browns of the NFC.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Cook is going to be as bad as John Sculley the first time they kicked Jobs out. Total disaster CEO.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/apples-driverless-car-project-in-turmoil-2016-10

    • willbest

      Cook is a caretaker CEO not a visionary, they need to find his replacement sooner rather than later. But Apple’s core success has always been its ability to market. I don’t want to sell their innovation too short, but that isn’t their strong suit, and in this case they are in a race to first to market.

      • MB30SD

        they should get ray ozzie back… groove was waaaay ahead of it’s time. He’s 100% a visionary. And he’s a chi boy, so prolly a bears fan too.

    • MB30SD

      he is….. turrible. I’ve said all along, Apple died with Jobs.

      I’m getting the Google Pixel XL in two weeks, I’ll let y’alls know how it is… I do know it won’t explode at least.

    • BearDown100393

      Why would anyone want to ride in a tablet with wheels? Apple sucks.

      • SC Dave

        Apple has been far from good for a long time. Except at building a cult-like following. Tens of thousands standing in line for days waiting to get a phone that offers little to nothing more than they already have.

        Just so they can have the “latest” iPhone.

        smh

  • willbest

    I don’t know what to make of Cutler’s injury, it feels like surgery should have been the course of action at this point.

    • BearDown100393

      He’s got a thumb.

      • MB30SD

        and soon a pink slip

        • BearDown100393

          Work comp

          • MB30SD

            Aflac!

          • BearDown100393

            The demise of Gilbert Gottfried.

          • MB30SD

            thank god

  • willbest

    “Don’t get excited. 3 of those wins against one team.” – Jeff

    heh doing our part to make the AFCS look good.

  • BearDown100393

    Getting hit by a train is “seriously hurt”. Not a thumb sprain.

    • BerwynBomber

      Getting hit by a train is most likely “maimed” but otherwise point taken.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “Fangio is not only qualified to be a head coach in this league but he
    has the temperament and attitude that will play both in the locker room
    and with the press/fans.”

    Why is he qualified? He can’t figure out the fundamentals of defense and solve the problem right in front of him. Head coaches are over-rated for me anyway – DCs, ST coaches and OCs call the plays …. he’s failing at the only thing he has to worry about right now.

    Fangio needs to be shown the door if he refuses to pressure QBs, not given a promotion.

    • willbest

      HC make strategy decisions, the coordinators deal with the tactics. So while Vic is calling the defensive schemes, Fox is telling them Vic to kill the clock rather than get off the field.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But Jeff’s point about second half collapse’s must fall at his defensive co-ordinator’s office. Fox isn’t calling the D – maybe he should be.

        Fangio is the one killing us.

        • SC Dave

          I disagree. This defense is much better than we should expect.

        • CanadaBear

          There are 11 teams that have given up more points than the Beloved. Only the Jets have scored fewer points.

    • CanadaBear

      On the play that killed the Bears Fangio sent 7. The Bears personnel on D doesn’t exactly scream HOF.

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      Can he do it with the current personnel?

    • Agree that strategically Fangio seems lacking.
      And let’s not forget 9ers bypassed Fangio for HC which raises questions.
      However i think psychological ly Fangio might ve an upgrade over Albino Lovie.

      It’ll be interim anyways.

  • BearDown100393
  • Johnnywad

    The Bears are likely sitting on a 3 game winning streak at 3-3 heading into a game with the beatable Packers but for one player. Cutler.

    Cutler is enough better than Hoyer to have the Bears on the cusp of 4-3 with Goldman and McPhee set to come back. God would I take that right now. Turnovers be damned, he’s better enough than Hoyer to muster wins in the last two games.

    Fuck

    • SC Dave

      You’re assuming Cutler had not turned the ball over two or three times each game, which is a distinct possibility.

      • willbest

        What is more likely is he would turn it over 2-3 times in one game and once in the other beating the team we only turned it over once against. I don’t think its a stretch to think if Cutler was never injured we are 2-4 team right now albeit with uglier QB1 stats.

    • We barely lost those games without turnovers and minimal sacks.
      Add Cutler’s TOs and sacks , and those games arnt close.

      • Johnnywad

        You misspelled “points”. We barely lost those games without points. Cutler nets you more points against the shitty Jags and Colts.

        Turnovers be damned, I’ve had enough limp dick football.

    • BerwynBomber

      And then Cutty outduels Rodgers. Yet again!

      Kidding aside, I wonder if Cutty would make a huge difference. A win here or there I suppose but Hoyer is definitely no Pickles. Plus, Cutty had arguably his best year ever as a Bear last year and we won six games.

      Despite Blogfather waxing poetic about Cutty’s OAK and KC heroics (and the OAK heroics should come with asterisk — Cutty nearly lost that game with the Woodson INT), he has never been an elite guy who puts an average team on his back and carries it to the post-season.

      That said, he is our starter and is better than Hoyer somewhat in the way that Bortles is better than Hoyer.

      • willbest

        His best passer rating was last year, his best QBR was 2013.

        • BerwynBomber

          Sounds about right. And poor Jay as I’m betting McCown’s QBR in ’13 was even higher.

          Btw, easy to forget but I believe we led the league in scoring that year. That was when the Trestman O stuff looked like it might be more than a one year wonder.

          P.S. I actually think Jay looked best in the 7-3 Martz/thumb season. Though he definitely had some nice moments last year (KC, SD specifically — though he had an early pick six against SD).

          • willbest

            No we were 2nd. Manning with his 723 TD passes lead the league that year.

            I agree with you that Jay looked his best in ’11, when it was just him, Forte, and we were pretending Hester was a #1 WR, and Jay had nothing that resembled an offensive line in front of him.

          • BerwynBomber

            But pretty good D and STs that year, like most Lovie years.

      • Johnnywad

        Wouldn’t take much more upside to have beaten either the Colts or Jags. He certainly makes mistakes, but it feels like there is enough in the tank to give you a chance late. Not so with Hoyer. He can’t overcome any setbacks. While he isn’t turning the ball over, the Bears are dropping passes and fumbling here and there. It doesn’t really matter where the mistakes come from. They all count the same.

        We don’t really know what kind of season was sitting in front of Cutler. A good chunk of the football he played, he played injured. Loggains seems to be getting a bit better with the playbook than the first couple games. Meredith is beginning to emerge as a real WR (which he may not have with Cutler). The emergence of Howard as a real RB. The line is beginning to gel. Hoyer and Cutler did not play with the same moving parts.

        I agree with most that it’s time to bring in young guys at the position to prepare for the future. But this season, I’m rolling with Cutler turnovers and all. I hate playing not to lose.

        • BerwynBomber

          I don’t disagree with most of this. Cutty is the better QB and gives us more options.

  • BuddhaJoe

    That would be a bad a idea, but not necessarily because of Fox’s aptitude or lack thereof.

    1. Fangio hasn’t even shown he should remain the DC let alone shown enough to get a promotion. At best he’d be a conservative Defensive minded coach that wouldn’t be any better than Lovie during the bad parts, at worst it would be a disaster.

    2. They just fired Trestman after two years (deservedly) and firing another coach 1 1/2 seasons in would make the Bears look unstable and Browns-like.

    3. Similar to #2, firing the coach of a team not only in the middle of a rebuild but with a slew of injuries, including the most important position on the field, would look knee jerk and incompetent, thus discouraging quality HC prospects and free agents.

    There’s other reasons but I think that’s enough.

    Now at the end of the season if he doesn’t have a better record than last year it would be totally justifiable. But before that would be stupid.

  • carlito

    Fox was not Pace’s choice, Pace wanted Todd Bowles as coach, he was forced to accept Fox from the Mc Caskey’s and their so called consultant, this is the only reason why he hasn’t drafted a qb because Fox can’t coach up a draft pick, this is known and Pace maybe waiting for his chance to get rid of Fox interference of him drafting a qb and what luck to have Vic Fangio to replace Fox, if he loses the next 2 to 3 games he should be gone but this is also on the fans, they need to stay at home in mass numbers so the ownership can’t say nothing and Vic deserves a chance and the players will bust their balls for Vic, while Fox has lost the team and football has passed him by, he needs to retire! !!!

    • Huge Bears Penis

      while i don’t disagree with you that Pace was pushed towards hiring Fox, in fact I am not sure how much input Pace actually had in the processes. The Bears interviewed Bowles on Pace’s first day on the job, and it should be noted that Pace was not even hired when they interviewed Quinn or Gase for the HC job.

    • CanadaBear

      Buy a period.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        GRAMMAR NAZI !!!

        • CanadaBear

          It’s hard to read. I don’t disagree with the poster but it reads like a little kid in trouble saying a million disjointed things as fast as they can, to try and avoid punishment.

  • BerwynBomber

    David Johnson is quite the RB.

    • SC Dave

      One 58 yard run, and 11 yards total on the other 10 carries.

      • BerwynBomber

        Quite common with gamebreakers. See: B. Sanders and A. Peterson.

      • willbest

        AP did that a bunch. It actually makes it hard to move the chains that way.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      and Matt Forte is not so much the RB. Nice Drop Matt!

  • BearDown100393

    The New York Old Bears not off to a good start tonight.

    • BerwynBomber

      Marshall had one nice play though. He also benefitted from a touchy PI call on Peterson.

    • SC Dave

      No surprise. The Jets are a Bad Franchise. Kind of like the Bears.

  • Gresham had a nice block at the goaline. That’s the TE i wanted behind Miller

  • We need to start using Alshon like the Cards use Fitz. More motion, slot and crack back blocks inside.

    • BearDown100393

      Do we get Carson Palmer also?

      • willbest

        Is he playing well tonight? I would rather have Brian Hoyer than him this season.

        • Palmer hasn’t looked the same since his inj last season.
          One of the reasons i think they’re dark horses for Cutty

          • AlbertInTucson

            I don’t know about the Cutty thing, but Palmer sure ain’t been right since that injury.

  • BerwynBomber

    Heckuva snag by BMarsh. He and P. Peterson are about as physical a WR/CB matchup in the entire league.

  • That looked like Bmarsh telling Fitz about setting up a stop and go

  • BerwynBomber

    Is Geno Smith warming up yet? Is Bryce Petty on the 53 and dressed?

  • Cormonster

    For all you Star Wars geeks on here, this is a great Halloween costume. Cracked me up.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      hell i want one for myself.

  • MB30SD

    The game is fucking brutal

    • Geno the Jaw in

      • BearDown100393

        Throws an interception better than takes a punch.

    • AlbertInTucson

      This will not help the NFL’s TV ratings.

  • Cutty Forte Bmarsh
    It’s meant to be

  • willbest

    The NFL games this year, even when they are competitive, just feel off. And the flags are part of it, but they have been a problem for quite a few years. I think the game just feels slower.

    Does somebody know the average snap count between the first six weeks this year vs last year?

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      The NFL has been on a downward trajectory ever since the 85 Bears. Just sayin.

    • Sactowns#1

      The number of flags last night made the game nearly unwatchable. Fitz’s play made it totally unwatchable.

  • Joecashflow

    Cutler not dressing probably, but….it’s a dilemma. Start Cutler, holds the ball too long, drives Oline cray cray, throws pick 6, fumbles, and then a TD. Start Hoyer, we cant find the end zone. Best post here was put em both out there in wishbone, and let the center decide. At this point, it’s a circus any way.

  • ManGod

    For all his “media glory days” of the past with Denver and Carolina….J Fox is failing the Bears Org., Bears Players and Bears Fans. There is no urgency in anything he says, no passion in his voice and a complete lack of trust in the drafted players. Yes, injuries have hurt this team considerably on both sides of the line; but Fox’s utter lack of inspiration, adjustments and his epic conservative style of play is killing the team and the season. Chicago has one of the NFL’s best(if not the best deep ball threat) in Jeffery who on any given play is not only capable of winning the contested ball deep, but is so good at it that every team out there retains help against him with help over the top or underneath and yet Fox and Loggains fail to call his number deep game after game. And while Hoyer may not be able to throw the most accurate beep ball 40 yards downfield, he is accurate enough to place it where Jeffery can make a play on the ball. Then when the play of C Meredith is added into the equation and the constant steady play of E Royal and the run game…..why is it that Fox and Loggains fail to call Jeffery’s number of the deep ball? Where is the excitement in all these 5-7 yd passes that do nothing in crunch time to win the games and fail more often than not to even sustain drives because they are just of a first down.
    3 trips to the red zone, 3 FG …..result, another last quarter loss that falls directly on the head of Fox and Loggains. I agree with the assessment of the coaching by J Fox this season, and while he was (and should have been) a serious upgrade over Trestman, it is not showing up in the win/loss column. Without J Cutler to guide the offense and put it on his back/arm, Fox has lost direction and continues to try and pump the stats for Hoyer in an effort to hide his lack ability to win games late or take the shots to make the big plays. I truly believe Hoyer is being used as a scapegoat in this scenario and is being told not to take the shots downfield and throw only to the first receiver in his progressions.
    Failure is failure, and it does happen; but failure to execute at the HC position is inexcusable and regardless of what happens in GB, Pace should remove Fox and promote Fangio, Loggains into the interim HC position….he has nothing to loose at this juncture by doing so and neither do we the fans or this Organization. But, we just might get to 8-8 if he does!

    • MB30SD

      And get to pick in the middle of the draft. No thanks. At this point, keep as is and try again next year.

      Birdcage and fangio are zero guarantee if anything

  • SC Dave

    Don’t expect to see this on any MSM outlet, save Fox.

    • willbest

      They are too busy talking about pussy, and Trump’s outrageous belief that the election is rigged. Meanwhile Foval has been thrown under a bus already. And I doubt he will be the last. At least until nobody is looking, then they will get their jobs back

      I am dumbstruck that anyone could be so secure in their own righteousness that they willing to admit to criminal wrong doing to a complete stranger. Then again I won’t hold my breath waiting for criminal prosecutions.

    • Bender McLugh

      that’s the same dude behind those lame ACORN vids that were completely bogus. zero credibility

      • SC Dave

        Yet the media have been their complete slaves. As I said, dont expect to see this anywhere outside of Fox.

      • willbest

        Not any less credible than the media reporting that Trump said Vets that suffered from PTSD were weak, when the full quote clearly indicated he said nothing of the sort.

        • Bender McLugh

          hmmm

  • Honest Abe

    Vic Fangio? The Bears defensive guru? I agree that Fox should go just for lack of team discipline, but hiring Mr. Fangio would be compounding the many recent mistakes that have been made by and in management by the Bears

    • MB30SD

      Back up for your blanket statement?

      Btw, I agree with you

  • Thompson Way

    Sorry, but this is working to my master plan. We need the Bears to get one of the top three picks this off season, and grab one of the good QBs that will be in the draft.

    • willbest

      We won’t pick the right one. And even if we did, we would ruin him. Rodgers isn’t a HOF QB in Chicago

      • Bender McLugh

        ruin him? seriously? come on man, buck up lil’ camper

        • MB30SD

          Kinda have to agree, sadly.

      • BerwynBomber

        Nonsense. Rodgers is a three-time SB winner with our Ds and STs. Hell, we almost won one with a combination of Neckbeard and Grossman.

        • CanadaBear

          That’s assuming a lot.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not as much as “Rodgers isn’t a HOF QB in Chicago”.

          • CanadaBear

            Fair enough. Who knows? He could have been picked instead of Cedrunk and wrecked his shoulder in his first training camp. That would be so Bears.

  • willbest

    Really? Pace is 36 years old, in a room with a bunch of 60+ year olds and he entered the coach search when Ted, Ernie, and George were 80% done with it, but somehow Fox is his guy?

  • nopulse

    the game has passed Fox by, we could already see that during his final season in Denver, where his decisions on the sideline did more damage than good and Peyton got notably frustrated. the game has changed significantly in the last 5 years and you cant just win anymore with ok performances on both sides of the ball while waiting for the opponent to fuck up. coaches need to seek every edge they can get during games and thats just not Fox style. last year Gase play calling could mask that at least a bit imo, but this year all we see is an old coach who hasnt learned any new tricks unfortunately…

  • they just got done paying trestman not to coach. think the mccaskeys want to pay fox not to coach for 2 or 3 more years? coaches have success when they have good players and a few great ones, particularly at QB and pass rush. right now we have neither. just accept it, be glad for every loss means a higher pick in april. we need to pick top 3 for a couple 3 years, not top 20. Pace will get us there, but it is taking a little longer than we hoped. Jags have been bad for years, now they have jalen ramsey, miles jack, blake bortles and those guys starting to produce. All i heard before the game was how Bortles was not progressing, trouble adapting from college spread. So they got behind and let him run a college style spread and he beat us. why not do that all the time?

    • CanadaBear

      No offense but the Blake Bortles scenario doesn’t exactly get my panties wet. The Jags still stink and so does Bortles. Will picking higher in the first rd make Pace a genius? His first two picks are complete stiffs and they moved up for Leonard. They picked him to rush the passer and he has half a sack and almost no pressure on the QB. If all they wanted was a coverage LB they could have found him later in the draft.

      • MB30SD

        have to agree… how’s tha knee

        (that rhymed)

        • CanadaBear

          Doing good. It was 8 weeks yesterday (Tempus Fugit, thought I’d show off a little Latin from my old Altar Boy days). Still a little bit of pain and not real nifty going down steps but it’s better every day. Back riding the trainer (the surgeon won’t release me to ride outdoors yet) and working out. Got the other knee scheduled for March or so (whenever my number comes up). Thanks for asking.

          • MB30SD

            excellent! Release him back to the wild!!!!

            I finally said fuck it, and I bought a Jacuzzi. can’t wait, kids will love it and it will up my close rate I imagine. ; )

          • CanadaBear

            I had one for a few years. it really helped with sleeping. After being in there for a while, take a quick shower and hop in bed. Knocked me out most times. I had some maintenance issues with mine, hopefully that won’t be the case for you. I thought your close rate was already inordinately high, might as well get those last few stragglers!!!!!!!

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha, exactly! Always strive for 100% canada!

            Yeah, this one’s plug and play and has hundreds of 4 and 5 star ratings. The low ones were from ladies dinging it for the delivery guys not putting it up two flights of stairs for them just for shits and giggles. Smfh

          • CanadaBear

            Online reviews crack me up. Esp restaurants. Unless they gave them a 5 star meal, transportation and a lovely parting gift, some of them would bitch. It’s amazing what people bitch about. At times I think, how long did you agonize over that to come up with this BS?

          • MB30SD

            Yup. Sad little lives.

            Like dudes all bent out of shape that ‘their’ football team suck…. wait…

          • Sactowns#1

            I have one. I used it quite a bit for the first year, when I was single. I usually drain it in the summer since its so warm here and fill it back up in the winter. Problem is, I haven’t refilled it this year yet. Idk. I have one at the gym with a flatscreen in front of it and I don’t have to clean that one. haha

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            So you only like using the jacuzzi by yourself?

          • Sactowns#1

            No, I liked using it as an excuse to get a girl into a bikini and into the tub with me. Now that I’ve got a girl I don’t need excuses. haha

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol

          • MB30SD

            yep, but I have kids and you don’t. Trust me, it will be more for them than me. They’ll be in it every chance they get no matter what season.

            I will have to have a strict, no ‘fluids’ in the tub rule for myself, or I’ll be cleaning that fucking thing after erra weekend.

          • DaMurph

            Twice a day on weekends

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            That’s what I thought Call of duty was for.(upping the close rate)

            Reverse psychology, works erra time.

          • MB30SD

            it all works in concert my maings!

            #alwaysbetraining

          • DaMurph

            I need a Jacuzzi!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol. Your heart couldnt handle it murph. Jess, you’re at the age now where you have to take it easy my friend. Hee hee

          • MB30SD

            No you do NOT! Stop that!!!

          • Bender McLugh

            Jacuzzi’s are DA BES

      • BerwynBomber

        Bortles is basically young Cutty. All the tools but full of mistakes.

      • you wear panties?

        • CanadaBear

          shhhhhh

      • no offense taken, you have a point. I think it’s still way too early to say white and floyd are stiffs, we knew floyd needed to get bigger and white has shown flashes but keeps getting hurt. my point is these are the guys you get after the top 5 or so. we took white at 7, a higher pick and we get amari cooper, a better prospect. You trade up for Floyd, if you have a top 5 pick you are taking DeForest Buckner or Joey Bosa. And if you want a QB? unless you want to give away the farm like the Redskins did for RG3 and Rams did for Goff, you better have a top 3 pick. And dont forget being at the top of the other rounds.

        • MB30SD

          Your views intrigue me, and i would like to subscribe to your newsletter

        • CanadaBear

          Good point but I’m not convinced Pace makes the obvious choice even that high. I honestly think White will be a shell of his college self and will end up being JAG. Floyd needs to bulk up but I just heard that Willie Young told him to nut up a little so that doesn’t sound promising.

  • CanadaBear

    Was watching a clip on CSN where the panel was talking about Willie Young telling Leonard Floyd to go see his masseuse. From what the panel said, Willie was basically telling him to nut up a little. Not good.

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      soft

      • MB30SD

        like spun buttah

  • CanadaBear

    The Fudgies are getting desperate. AWESOME! I swear Fat Eddie looks as fat as last year. Hard to believe he would have a hard time staying on the field.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000723404/article/packers-nab-rb-knile-davis-from-chiefs-in-trade

    • willbest

      Yeah I saw that.

      • CanadaBear

        Also, saw that Davante Adams is in the concussion protocol. No way he plays Thursday.

        • AlbertInTucson

          He took a VERY hard shot.

    • AlbertInTucson

      ” Packers fans shouldn’t expect a lot from Davis, who has averaged just 3.3 yards per carry for his career. ”

      But we know what happens when guys like this face the Bears.

      Plus, he Packers will probably bust a couple big ones with Cobb or Montgomery lined up in the backfield.

  • willbest

    Oh Salon, sometimes you produce the best articles.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/10/18/donald-trump-is-destroying-americas-sex-life-why-his-hateful-orange-mug-has-wrecked-our-libido/

    I am going to go out on a limb and say these people probably ought not be procreating anyway.

  • willbest

    Burfict stomped on Blount’s leg against. The guy really likes not getting paid for some reason.

    • BerwynBomber

      I think he went low on Uni too. Total cheap shot. I can’t imagine other guys in the league like him. Playing hard is one thing. Trying to ruin dude’s careers is another.

      • MB30SD

        Once a thug always a thug. Google tape of his “highlights” in college (asu)

        • beninnorcal

          I went to one of his ASU games and recall him bein penalysed.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, I’m shocked. Dude punched one of his own teammates in the face. Amh

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I wish he was a Bear.

          • MB30SD

            Yep, me too. Him and honey badger

            This fucking org of pussies could use a huge fucking dose of bad ass for once. Fucking tired of losing and being softserve. Uni’s a fucking dickbag, but he was right about us being pussies. Sucks.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Then stop eating it!

          • MB30SD

            no way! I am what I eat!

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            I want guys who were in prison for murder on my team, if I am a GM. Bonus points if they raped another prisoner while there.

            #LongestYard

        • AlbertInTucson

          These antics are why he fell from the first round to completely OUT of his draft class.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          I wonder what it’s like to live the thug life? Can a civilized man even become a thug?

          #woodenspoon

          • MB30SD

            sure, the human animal is insanely adaptable… necessity is the mother of invention my maings. Put a dude in the zombie apocalypse and he becomes an animal.

  • Bender McLugh

    I’m all for booting Fox at this point, have to agree.

    • CanadaBear

      What a major disappointment. I thought the Bears were getting a slightly smarter version of Lovie and what they got was Lovie retired in place. Even with a more motivated HC the Bears would still stink this year due to all the injuries and meh roster but at least they might come out fired up and be entertaining.

      • Sactowns#1

        Maybe they wouldn’t have the injuries if they were firing on all cylinders.

        • CanadaBear

          Maybe. When would that be? One of the only complete games they have played under Fox was the Brett Favre Handy Bowl last year. Maybe with a lot of luck it happens again.

  • BillW

    While I don’t disagree that Fox has “retired”, I do wonder what (if any) arrangement has been made between Pace, Fox, and Fangio. I can’t believe Pace is OK with the job Fox has done, but I hold out some (possibly) naive hope it’s part of the longer range plan. Shield Fangio from the slings and arrows of a bad roster until 2017 or even 2018.

    I guess I’d like to think this brain trust sees what we see.

    One thing we all need to keep in mind – Trestman lost back to back games 100+ to almost 0. I don’t see that ever happening with this team.

    This team is not a legitimate contender – so does losing to JAX with a career backup really surprise us? Not me.

    Disappoint – yep. Surprised? Nope.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Naive Hope”

      Bear fan’s Mantra?

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    I have a problem with John Kerry ordering Equador to silence Assange. I have a problem wit Hilliary asking her team why they couldn’t “just drone” Assange.

    Nothing he has done is worthy of the death penalty. Leaking the deep state’s intel is only a crime if you are a U.S. citizen, which he is not. Many people do not like him, many people even think he is a pest or a problem, mainly because he is pulling back the curtain on the deep state and showing the populace that the presidency is a sham, a office just for show. To kill him, however, I have an issue with that. To deem him an enemy of the state and put a hit on a foreign national and deem him a terrorist for leaking information is way too far down the Orwellian slope for me.

    • BillW

      And with this comment we get closer to the reason a guy like Trump gets 40% support. People do in fact sense there is a what you are saying is true – “presidency is a sham”.

      There is a small silent revolution going on in this country I think. Will take several decades to play out though.

      • willbest

        The Clintons are scumb of the earth. Far worse than Trump will ever be. Like I said, Trump likes to license his name and show up for the ribbon cutting. He is going to be on autopilot and grabbing pussy starting on about day 5. There are far worse things to happen to us under Clinton.

        • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

          Monica could be appointed safe sex czar.

          • BillW

            Or safe sex cigar.

          • Scharfinator

            When it’s gonna be a mess, take it on the dress!

        • BillW

          Don’t want a political discussion. I think we agree in principle until we get to the short term conclusion. I never thought I’d vote for Clinton. But I never thought Trump would win the nomination. The best thing that can happen (my opinion of course) is he loses so bad that the Republicans realize they missed a HUGE opportunity – and she gets beat in 2020.

          But I understand and respect you see it the other way. Having her as President is riskier BECAUSE she knows how to play the game and play the electorate. An there also is the reasonable argument that a Trump victory would be enough for him, and he’d step aside for Pence.

    • willbest

      Lets pretend for a second that Hillary is right (despite no public evidence to support her) that the Russians did indeed hack her, and are using Assange as a pawn. Don’t you think silencing the pawn is a measured response? Or do you consider it weak because they can just dump the files on 4chan anyway so Assange is irrelevant other than to lend credibility to their validity. Or should we be going after the source and unleashing the CIA which is apparently drawing up cyber attack plans of Russia as we speak?

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        you can’t dump files on 4chan. It’s a BBS for perverts.

        I don’t pretend that in the covert world, assassinations are a routine event. It’s dangerous being in the CIA or FSB. James fucking Bond.

        But Assange is a high profile public figure. He is facilitating publication of documents he gets anonymously from insiders. He is a rogue newspaperman.

        To me, it’s like if Nixon had ordered the plumbers to assassinate Ellsberg, and then go ahead and kill Woodward and Bernstein while they were at it. G. Gordon Liddy would have loved to be off his leash, but I think democracy would have suffered, don’t you?

        • BearDown100393

        • Bender McLugh

          Assange is a known hater of the Clinton’s as well, don’t forget that

          • SC Dave

            He knows what they are.

      • BillW

        This is an administration that eventually found Bin Laden and killed him and others (possibly) in cold blood. I’m not saying they’d do that to the pawn – but you can bet there is something cyber related being planned against Russia.

        Perhaps led by a 400 pound guy in his bedroom.

        • willbest

          You really think they needed to find Bin Laden? Perhaps they just stopped having a use for him. But I do recall the DoD under Obama has more drone killings than Bush. To be fair, I suspect the technology wasn’t as well developed under Bush, but the overall point of him not having any qualms with it or the collateral damage remains.

          The cyber attack thing was in the news a couple days ago, and it annoyed me because I just presumed they have had a plan in the works that gets regular updates dating back to the 90s.

    • Sactowns#1

      The best thing about this, it proves that in 10-15 years there will be no secrets. Your govt will no longer be able to lie to you, which is great. Of course it also means you will no longer be able to lie to your spouse. : /

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Say what? Once a choir boy always a choir boy.

      • BillW

        You just made me feel good about being in my mid 60s. How about that, Al? Will be pushing 80 and won’t remember enough to be able to lie.

      • willbest

        Hate to burst your bubble, but government cares more about its secrets than the people do about discovering them, and they have more resources.

        http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-communications-leap-out-of-the-lab-1.15093

        For all the love that hackers get, the most common form of attack is through human idiocy. Leaving a physical device unguarded, being tricked into password resets, or accidentally divulging confidential information. And they are working hard to minimize that risk too.

        Whistleblowers are where its at which is why the government loathes whistleblowers even as they pretend to protect them.

        • Sactowns#1

          Moore’s law predicts computing power will continue to get cheaper, more powerful and ubiquitous. These secrets will become unguardable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transparent_Society

          • willbest

            Moore’s law speaks to transistors size. Of course there is a physical limit to that which runs out in about 10-15 years. That has nothing to do with what I linked which is communication via photon where the act of eavesdropping destroys the message. Plus the step up to quantum computing comes with the limitation of needing to keep the hardware near absolute zero. Which is not affordable and actually very easy for a government to spot from an energy consumption standpoint

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      It really doesn’t matter what the fuck we think. Does it?

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        No. It appears it does not.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Yeah man, they do’s what they do’s.

    • Johnnywad

      How does any of his help Hoyer throw the deep ball?

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        I was hoping Wikileaks would leak the Packers playbook

        • SC Dave

          Would that help?

    • SC Dave

      Check the veritas stuff. The Hillary/DNC we KNEW was there, out in the open.

      Even Bernie knows its rigged.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    per my avatar: McPhee not dressing for Thursday’s game. Wants to come back after the bye week.

    Hubby Bubby speculates on 670 yesterday that McPhee’s knee damage is permanent and he may not be the player he was anymore. This adds criticism to the Bears org for continuing to play him 4 games while injured last season.

    • BerwynBomber

      Any news on Cutler?

      • BearDown100393

        Rumor he’s off to Miami.

        • Scharfinator

          Isn’t that our rumor?

          • BearDown100393

            It grows

          • Scharfinator

            HOT TAKE CUTLER TO MIAMI WITH LUCK TO US AND TANNEHILLE TO INDY IN A 3 WAY TRADE

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            ha

  • nopulse

    “Outside of Tebowmania, Fox never won any of the games he wasn’t supposed to.” great read on Fox’s coaching resume in Denver http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/1/16/7537497/broncos-coaching-john-fox

    • willbest

      Watching the Bears get tebowed and having my best friend who is a Bronco’s fan texting me during the game was a bottom 10 point in my football life.

      He wasn’t a great football player, and he is shaping up to be just as bad as a baseball player, but I can’t help but admire that SOB, which probably means he has children locked in his basement.

      • BerwynBomber

        I am still of the mind Tebow could have had an extended NFL career as a TE or FB, but I assume most highly decorated college QBs have a tough time giving up QB prestige and going the Randal-El route.

        • Scharfinator

          Yeah, never understood why he insisted on QB. Had the size and build for a TE, decent hands as well.

      • BearDown100393

        Tebow – Did it already. {After Kaepernick takes a knee}

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Tebow is a Bill Clinton love child.

      #wikileaks

      • willbest

        Thus proving God has a sense of humor.

  • BillW

    OK – two points first before my “conclusion”:
    I don’t put any credence in rankings.
    I’ve respected Brad Biggs’ objectivity

    He has the Bears 30 out of 32. Is that his assessment of the team relative to the league – or is it a reflection of his disgust?

    I’ve gotten the opinion over the last few years that Biggs is starting to lose his objectivity and can’t help but make subtle (or not subtle) criticisms of management.

    I’m sure I’m reading too much into this – but his ranking is 2-3 spots lower than the national ones I’ve seen (and they are usually tough on the Bears.)

  • AlbertInTucson

    From the “Whaddya know” file:

    Journeyman LB, Lorenzo Alexander (Age 33), has recorded 8.5 sacks and forced three fumbles since replacing the Bills’ injured top pick, Shaq Lawson.

    • BerwynBomber

      Doesn’t DET have someone like that too this year? Some guy who walked in off the street and leads their in sacks? Thought I remember hearing about that.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Dunno but Detroit DOES have

        Stafford: 14 TDs, 4 picks, and the Loins at 3-3.

        If anybody here saw THAT coming with Megatron’s departure, congratulations because I SURE didn’t see that coming.

        • BerwynBomber

          He was playing well the latter half of last year too. He’s arguably been the best QB in the NFC for close to a year. At least on #s.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Good on the Packers here. Teams need to treat concussions with the same attention they would an ACL. Let the brain heal.”

    Shields’ career may be over. I believe he has had four concussions in less than three years.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Biggsy’s mailbag sayz:

    “Nobody will take a broken down Cutler for even a 3rd round pick. He stays and then gets cut.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/blog/ct-jay-cutler-nfl-draft-bears-mailbag-20161018-story.html

    • PaceBot 2000

      Biggsy also licked a plate once at Quartino.

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        Biggsy calls the Quartino meatballs “tic tacs”

    • BerwynBomber

      Which is why I would not be shocked if Jay is here next year, but I think he would have to truly buy into the mentor role.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)
    • BearDown100393

      Tablets suck.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        i like mine. it’s the greatest of all time. Future HOFer!

        • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

          I heard Aaron Rodgers loaded Grindr on his tablet.

          NTTAWWT.

  • BerwynBomber

    Here is another thing that sucks about this year. Our schedule was mostly cake. MIN twice, a couple of surprises in DAL and PHI and the struggling Cheese. Other than that average to shit teams.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I NEVER buy into the concept of a “Soft” NFL schedule.

      Ain’t no such animal.

      Especially for THIS franchise.

      • BerwynBomber

        I never buy into any preseason ranking of schedules but after six weeks you have a pretty decent idea about most of these teams.

        • AlbertInTucson

          And STILL somebody rises up and smacks down a prohibitive favorite.

          This week it was the Dolphins.

      • SC Dave

        The one thing Lovie said that I agreed with was that it is hard to win games in the NFL.

  • Watching the Jets last night, goes to show that even a stacked Dline sometimes isn’t enough vs superior coaching.

    The Cards, as chucky pointed out, were using two scrubs/rooks at OG, and they were blowing the Jet’s vaunted big names off the line. Johnson ran right over them.

    I also love the way they use Fitz. We should use Alshon in the same way. He’s big and a great blocker. Move him in-line, put him in motion, in the slot.

    I know Arians is a top and Birdcage a bottom, but gotta get more creative and aggressive.

    • Sactowns#1

      Dome and turf teams have a huge advantage at home. Does anyone here think it would have been the same game if they played it in NY in the winter? NFL needs to stop the madness and require all teams to play outdoors on grass!!

      • BerwynBomber

        Couldn’t agree more about eliminating domes/indoor stadiums but not because of the home advantages. More because they’re often ugly, sterile and that football should be played in the elements.

        Btw, I thought Phoenix had a retractable roof or was at least partially open like Jerry’s world.

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)
  • EnderWiggin

    FF note:
    No matter what happens between 4ever vs me and GP vs Trac, what we all need is for Waffle and 505 to get their 2nd wins. Now that would shake things up. Its time for Artoo and Shady to come back to reality.

    • Haha, Waffle had Breesus and Cam shooting it out. He scored pretty high.

      505 needs to shake up his roster, IMO.

      Can’t start 7 WRs!

      Barring some crazy shit, I don’t see me winning you without Zeke-master

      I’ll have to get creative.

      • EnderWiggin

        Well, D. Williams could have a huge game vs Pats. ‘Specially with no RBurger.

  • fuq

    According to Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune, Bears LG Josh Sitton is expected to miss “some time” with an ankle injury.

    Ted Larsen filled in at left guard after Sitton went down in Week 6. Either Larsen or Eric Kush will get the nod Thursday against Green Bay. Through six games, Sitton owns PFF’s third-highest guard
    grade out of 78 qualifiers. It’s a big blow to the Bears’ offensive line. – Roto

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuush

      • Kling Klong?

        • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

          I have a hard time thinking Kong was so much worse than Massie he warranted a cut. His feet must have been made from lead, except the scouts raved about his footwork for such a big man. I never saw him play in PS, and no other team picked him up, but he could also play inside.

          • We also had that other small school 340 pound dancing bear at OT on the PS last year for a while. I forgot his name (irish, help ur the PS guru), but his tape looked good to me.

            Who knows what the coaches see in practice. They still refuse to play Bush, which greatly limits my jokes.

          • willbest

            Tayo?

    • willbest

      I find the decision to not slide WH over and put Larsen at center informative

      • EnderWiggin

        Especially if your name is Grasu.

      • CanadaBear

        Typically they try to avoid changes to two positions. That’s all I’m taking from it.

        • willbest

          No doubt, but Sitton is technically on a 1 year deal with team options for year 2 and 3. And Whitehair played there until they signed Sitton, so its not like he doesn’t know the role.

          I basically read this as a sign Sitton will be a Bear next year, and WH will be our starting Center probably for the foreseeable future because he is coming along very well for a rookie.

  • Ugh. From Biggsy

    “That could leave the Bears with Bryce Callahan, Jacoby Glenn (called for
    two penalties against Jacksonville), Bausby and Cre’Von LeBlanc to
    defend against Aaron Rodgers.
    Without a pass rush – the Bears haven’t had one yet – that could be
    just what the struggling Packers offense needs to get well.”

    In other words, this could get ugly.

    And Fangio is indeed blitzing a bit more now, but they’re not getting home cuz we got chump pass rushers.

    • That’s really anemic. The penalties aren’t helping either.

      3.

      . With the losses piling up, the Brian Hoyer vs. Jay
      Cutler storyline is only going to intensify. The offense has moved the
      ball well with Hoyer at the helm but it’s been nightmarish in the red
      zone with only two touchdowns on seven red zone trips in the last two
      games. Some of that isn’t Hoyer’s fault. The Bears are getting nowhere
      on the ground as they approach the goalline. They entered this week
      averaging 1.6 yards per carry in the red zone and had four red zone
      carries for 6 yards here. One was a 1-yard touchdown run by Jordan
      Howard and it should be noted Ka’Deem Carey had a 16-yard run that
      started at the Jaguars’ 21-yard line, just outside the red zone. – Biggsy

    • SC Dave

      Dink, dunk, and control the clock.

  • EnderWiggin

    KCs Knile Davis to the pack. Is Lacy hurt?

    • He’s fat

      • MB30SD

        damn it, beat me to it

    • SC Dave

      Starks is out.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yes. And Starks is having surgery, I believe.

      • AlbertInTucson

        That’s a “yes” on surgery for Starks who has always enjoyed success against the Bears.

    • Sactowns#1

      So the Fudge have no run game and we have no defenders. Which will win out… ?

      • BerwynBomber

        Actually their top three CBs are out too.

        • willbest

          Man if there was ever a game that screamed Jay Cutler, this is it.

          • Sactowns#1

            Unleash the dragon!

          • MB30SD

            And the INTs!

            Yes, I’ve gone full anti. Just for fun

          • willbest

            I will take AJ matched up on CB#4 all day and thrice on Sunday.

          • MB30SD

            We’ll see. I take nothing for granted where the bears are concerned anymore

          • willbest

            Hoyer’s got this. I left a snuck into the Walter Payton Center and left a MAGA hat in his locker. One way or another he is gonna be motivated.

          • MB30SD

            Is that anything like the things jobu likes on his bats to keep them warm?

          • BerwynBomber

            Except that it is the Cheese, against which he has historically crapped the bed. But otherwise I get you … Jay should be able to take advantage of a banged up secondary more than Hoyer.

          • SC Dave

            Unbelievable. I would, literally, take ANY Bears QB of the past 20 years over Cutler vs. Green Bay.

          • madscout12

            Remember remember…

            https://youtu.be/OSGb5W_Sv_s

          • AlbertInTucson

            My EYES!

    • AlbertInTucson

      He was a bit gimpy in the latter part of the Dallas game.

      • AlbertInTucson

        And if he lost any weight from last season he looks like he found it all again.

  • beninnorcal

    Are Mcphee and Goldman coming back against the Pack? That would help the pass rush a lot.

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      No

    • willbest

      No. I wouldn’t expect either back until after the bye, though Nanny might make the Minny game.

    • CanadaBear

      I think GP posted McPhee wants to come back after the bye and that his knee might be permanently fucked. I haven’t heard a peep about Goldman (which usually isn’t good).

      • BerwynBomber

        Goldman was in walk-thru today. So was Royal.

      • AlbertInTucson

        “No news is good news.”

        But not in the NFL.

  • MB30SD
    • Sactowns#1

      Oh man. I would be licking my chops if they weren’t such a diversified company. This isn’t even touching their stock price. maybe a 2-3% dip when 3qtr numbers come out but that’s it. SWA is still looking like a good value. I may have gotten off that Sprint wave a bit too soon. I think their holiday numbers will be good again.

      • MB30SD

        Can I get the link to your investment newsletter please

  • Huge Bears Penis

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/18/vikings-defensive-coordinator-arrested-for-drunk-driving-in-may/

    does this mean that the NFL will suspend him for at least a game like they do with players?

    • willbest

      If I were the NFLPA I would get right on that argument.

  • Bender McLugh
  • willbest

    No more wikileaks. Ecuador takes away Julian’s internet privileges until after the US elections. But it is very clear that it was a sovereign decision on its part and it wasn’t in response to any outside pressures…

    …and in unrelated news a plane landed in Quito and unloaded $500 million in cash for repayment of some long ago dispute.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      All the world’s a stage Will. Nothing gets released to the general public unless the lead actors want it released.

      • Bender McLugh

        Mostly

      • SC Dave

        The corruption of the DNC, and the Clintons, is almost unimaginable. You couldn’t make this shit up.

        • willbest

          Given that the Bushes all but endorsed the Clintons and their donors are giving to Hillary, the corruption is total.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          They’re flaunting the fact that even if the public wanted to do anything about it, they all have a get out of jail free card. The general public are being mocked.

          • willbest

            They are taunting to get a Breivik situation so they can gut the second Amendment.

        • AlbertInTucson

          You could, but nobody would believe it. Ergo, they are going to get away with it.

          • willbest

            E-mails are right there, and they still don’t.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Preaching to the choir.

    • BuddhaJoe

      Wait, you mean Clinton is a fascist right wing corporate whore and not a “progressive champion”? Shocked I say. Can’t believe so many idiots can be duped by her.

      • willbest

        she is a left wing corporate whore. There is a difference is in the how but the end result is the same. The rich get richer. Obama was also a left wing corporate whore as evidence by the fact that Citigroup picked out his cabinet a month before the election in 2008. We know that thanks to wikileaks.

        • BuddhaJoe

          You’re absolutely right except you’re attributing that to the left. There’s nothing left wing about her except for the rhetoric, which is why a left winger like me hates her so much. Hell, behind closed doors they express their contempt for the left like me.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Self-Serving Corporate Whore”?

  • Sometimes, Roto is funny

    Alshon Jeffery is absent from the Week 7 injury report.

    Do you believe in miracles? Jeffery looked as healthy as hehas all year in Week 6, and not coincidentally, drew a season-high 13 targets. Absurdly, he was still out-targeted by Cameron Meredith, but Jeffery might finally be ready to start producing as a WR1. He has a juicy Thursday night matchup in the Packers’ wounded secondary.

  • MB30SD
  • SC Dave

    Since I paid for the “privilege”, I watched the Condensed version of the Lions-Rams on gamepass. A pretty interesting game, actually.

    Most interesting stat to me is Zach Zenner and Todd Gurley each had 14 carries for 58 yards. Similarly Britt and Tate basically cancelled each other out, though the former had an extra TD (although Tate got screwed out of one on a stupid, though correct, replay call).

    • MB30SD

      I was surprised by how big tate was… dude towered over the dvs

      • willbest

        Tate is the Rodney Dangerfield of WRs

  • willbest

    Cubs… this is just sub-optimal. I need you to come back to Chicago up 3-2 in the series. You are not on pace for this.

  • BearDown100393

    The Cubs
    #BirdCage

    • willbest

      They picked a bad time to not score any runs in 16 innings

      • AlbertInTucson

        Sounds like a line from AIRPLANE.

        McCroskey (Lloyd Bridges): “Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.”

  • BuddhaJoe

    So I still think we should keep Cutler, but what do people think about Glennon? There’s a realistic chance of bringing him in and I’d be all for it.

    • willbest

      Glennon isn’t a starter and he isn’t a mentor/bridge guy. If you are looking for mentor/bridge (I think that is a stupid idea but whatever) then you would want a Hoyer or a McCown.

      • BerwynBomber

        McCown would be a disaster. He peaked in ’13. Pretty much downhill since.

    • BerwynBomber

      Glennon and a rook was my suggestion after ’14. I would be all for it after ’16 as well.

  • willbest

    Bob Creamer was fired by his employer over O’Keefe’s video. He is actually the husband of the 9th IL Congressional district Jan Schakowsky, and spent time in prison for bank fraud. White House logs shows he has been tot he WH over 340 times since Obama took office, over 40 times to visit with Obama himself. So we aren’t talking about a nobody that got caught on camera.

    • AlbertInTucson

      The DNC’s, Donna Brazile claims the video is “Doctored.”

      Hilarious comment coming from the woman who, while still with CNN, allegedly leaked a democrat primary Town Hall question to the Clinton camp.

  • willbest

    Well that was a shit show cubs. You did the Bears proud.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I’m a Sox fan but the Cubs are pissing me off.

      Rich Hill?

      Seriously?

      Right up there with giving up 17 in the 4th to Jacksonville.

      SMH?

  • BerwynBomber

    Fuck, what is this? Fox News on here? Good lord …

    • MB30SD

      Seriously will, come on dude. Getting brutal

  • PaceBot 2000

    Shady, you creep. Trying to send trade requests when a brother is trying to get his wife pregnant? I thought it was an in law with a sick kid and my phone buzzes. I’m about to pull an MB and that request comes through? Why did i even answer it? Why am i not having sexual intercourse right now?

    ……..up the offer and i’ll bite.

    • MB30SD

      My fucking god i hope you’re wearing a condom… or have already gotten fixed!! Are you trying to pull together an irish basketball team?!

      Also, watch this since you’re up now: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000723046/article/talking-drunk-history-football-tale-with-derek-waters

      • PaceBot 2000

        spray and pray my man. I’m still whole. I laid down such a scoring effort they’ll call it the Anti Hoyer.

        haha, let’s get some drinks, when you comin out? or , when am i coming out to the non shark part of SD?

        • MB30SD

          I’ll be out in the new year. Hell yes we’re getting drinks, only to have you evaporate into thin air the moment someone mentions the name of any Chicago night club.

          You are always welcome here any time my brother. I think it’s my round from last time anyway.

          • PaceBot 2000

            haha, the asian/native american/irish immigrant/south american beauty queen bought the last one at the hotel bar but bailed because she thought the scarf was “a little too much”…..

            oh hell no….

          • MB30SD

            Hahahahahaha… i shall have my revenge cold sir

    • SHady, u bastard, ur literally denying life. Isn’t there a commandment against that?

      Also, don’t do it waffle. Can u honestly do a deal w a guy literally named Shady? shady! The wieenie dogs he’ll throw in will in fact bite off ur weenie which is part of the jewish conspiracy to limit the Irish

      • PaceBot 2000

        it’s too late Butch, i faked it , blew half on her back, disregarded the trade request, cuddled to make up for the pull out, obeyed all laws technically, pulled out of the deal with “shady” even though i trust him, etc.

        #fantasydedication

  • PaceBot 2000

    I’m awake because of two reasons.
    1. post sex awareness of possible pregnancy
    2. the love of my boy J who died for no reason whatsoever.

    Don’t take pity my boys, we Irish take it hard and fast and expect it. We live hard, laugh harder and feel it all no matter the good or bad.

    I want you guys to know that i love the passion for the Bears. I love the fact that we care. I may disagree how we do it but that is what Gary Johnson is fighting for 😉 , the right to be “free”.

    I vow to you right now that me and GP and MB and Shadeball and Posse, Doc and Murph….if you’re still a fucking live dude. MURPH, CLIMB TO THE LIGHT. REACH FOR THE LIGHT….will meet up and decide on the correct path of the org.

    anyway, let’s get it going and not let this season fuck it all to hell. It will be cheaper to all meet now anyway.

    #economics.

  • PaceBot 2000

    I also want to meet NewBear and Willbest. NewBear is an orthodox Jew from what i gather and has a badass beard and has the occasional drink along with being an attorney. How the fuck does that happen? I think we should find out.
    Willbest intrigues me because he actually sounds like a normal dude that is smart and just happens to be righter than than the common wing of the blog. I actually don’t disagree with some of his stuff and am all for a little controversey when it comes down to it.

  • PaceBot 2000

    holy fuckballs, i just picked my head up. i have to be at work in a few hours. bye nerds, see you soon.

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      Good luck remaking the late 80s Celtics

      #DannyAinged

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Jeff

    Get that fucking picture of the Billy Goat tav right the hell off the blog. Now.

    Ain’t nobody in Chicago got time for dat right now

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