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MATCHUPS THAT MATTER: BEARS AT COWBOYS

| September 22nd, 2016

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There is only one match-up that matters this week.

DOWELL LOGGAINS & JOHN FOX

VS.

COMMON SENSE

Objectively speaking, the Bears chances of having a meaningful season took a massive hit with their dismal, injury-laden performance Monday night against the Eagles. But with news breaking that both Jay Cutler and Eddie Goldman will only be missing a few games, might there be room in the hearts of Bears fans for the slightest bit of optimism?

Come on. You know you want to.

If there is such room, John Fox and Dowell Loggains can’t have a third straight howler. What can they do?

  • Get the ball out of Brian Hoyer’s hand quickly. The Bears have a signature weakness on the offensive side of the ball: pass protection on the edges. So of course the offense has consisted of almost EXCLUSIVELY dropping Jay Cutler into deep pockets and forcing an historically fragile quarterback to scramble around. There are two flat out moronic elements at play here.
    • The Bears spent the entirety of the 2015 season cultivating a short passing attack; utilizing the bubble screen as a de facto run game to keep downs and distances manageable. This attack may not have been the most exciting in league history but it led to their quarterback playing one of his most efficient and consistent seasons.
    • The Bears have three, three, THREE wide receivers who are tailor made to this kind of attack. Alshon Jeffery is monstrous. Eddie Royal displayed Monday night what he’s capable of in the open field. And Kevin White’s speed would make every reception a potential big gain.

  • Run the ball. And when you think you’ve run the ball too much, run it more. The strength of this offense is Sitton/Whitehair/Long and the Bears should funnel their entire rush game through those three men.
  • Use Jordan Howard. Jeremy Langford is going to have a good career in Chicago but the Bears need to do something different. Howard has displayed a burst and vision the other backs don’t seem to possess so why not see if the kid can be a bellwether back?
  • At halftime Sunday night, if certain things are not working or Rod Marinelli has approached the game in a way you didn’t anticipate, alter your goddamn plan. The Bears led the Texans at the half. The Bears were down 2 at the half against Philadelphia. In both of those second halves the team was thoroughly embarrassed. That’s coaching. And if these problems persist, somebody is going to lose his job.

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  • The Yes Guy

    YES

  • chitownproud85

    Bears over Cowboys because the football gods have an extra special magnifying glass for the modern Cowboys. Brian Hoyer will win in his Bears starting debut because LoL. Ive officially lost it. Get me out of here.

    • Bender McLugh

      Hoyer in Texas last year was better than terrible. Maybe the air will make him superman.

      I like rum.

  • BearDown100393

    Kevin White’s speed?

    • willbest

      I was going to say, I will wait until I see him open 50 yards down the field. And maybe he is, I don’t watch the 22 but a lot of the times they will replay to the open guy if the QB is sacked or picked or at least say he missed X, and I haven’t heard any Bear’s name called like that.

      • Irish Sweetness

        With our line and a QB that isn’t mobile in that way the 50 yard thing won’t happen.

        • willbest

          It does for Jeffery and he supposedly the slow powerful jump ball WR.

          • SC Dave

            Don’t confuse things with facts.

            Like someone mentioned a thread or two back, hopefully it’s only White’s hammy and not a permanently broken wheel.

          • BerwynBomber

            A third possibility is that he recovers his speed with more playing time from last year’s surgery. For years we have heard some players don’t feel normal after a serious injury for two years. (AP of course changed all that.) And as a recent example Jordy Nelson has apparently shown very little ability to separate in his first two games after returning from his ACL.

            Having said all that, a metal rod in the leg of a speed demon always sounded grim.

          • CanadaBear

            The only time I know he was going full gas was on that end around and he didn’t look as fast as Alshon. Either he lost some speed or he’s only really fast on a track.

    • SC Dave

      It’s a secret weapon – they are hiding it for just the right moment.

  • Scharfinator

    Anyone else going to skip this one? I am. I don’t buy rotten food, why would I consume any busted product?

    • Big Mike

      Cubs are on at the same time.

    • willbest

      I watched the trainwreck of 2014. I can give them at least a quarter. Besides, I want to see if Howard gets the rock and if White’s problem is he sucks or if he is just on Cutler’s shit list.

      • SC Dave

        There is some drama after all. I have not decided whether I will watch this one or not. May just wait to watch the replay on gamepass.

    • BillW

      I’ll watch because I want to see if the coaches have it in them to improve in the face of adversity.

      If by halftime the answer is obviously no, then I’ll bail.

      I’m optimistic.

    • CanadaBear

      I always watch if the game is available in my area. When I was young I would watch to the bitter end no matter what. Now I bail when they are playing awful with no hope of a comeback. I’ve bailed as early as the middle of the 2nd quarter. Have yet to miss a comeback win.

    • antityco

      I’m a Bears fan. I have no choice.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “The Bears have three, three, THREE wide receivers who are tailor made to this kind of attack. Alshon Jeffery is monstrous.”

    Right now, Cameron Meredith is better than Kevin White and it’s not even close. He was better than ALL of them in pre-season.

    Don’t say it.

    • willbest

      Don’t say you are on crack? Jeffery was better in the pre-season. He dominated the CB1’s.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He dropped balls though. Happens sure, but have you seen each game a few times? Are you just saying that, and you didn’t actually see Meredith? Because he was our best receiver – he did nothing wrong an everything right, just like Howard, Hall and Glenn. Not saying he’s better than AJ, but right now, he is better than Kevin. I don’t know what Kevin does.

        • SC Dave

          I agree Meredith looked better than White in preseason.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Laremy Tunsil and Derrick Henry … or Leonard Floyd and Cody Whitehair?

    • SC Dave

      Hindsight is useless.

      • willbest

        I was pretty annoyed we didn’t draft Tunsil when he fell to us.

        • T’Challa

          Could have had Tunsil and did not have to move up to get him. Could have used that 4th round we gave up for Dak Prescott. Wow!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Is that a yes?

      • Martin Bell

        Talking about a successful Bear season is useless.

    • CanadaBear

      Most people are expert drafters after the fact.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s a question.

    • A7Xthebest

      It’s two games in and Whitehair has looked good and we’ve seen some flashes or Floyd’s speed(He does seem to get caught up a lot)

    • antityco

      Floyd and Whitehair.

  • BillW

    One bright side to MNF (Monday Night Failure) – we’re getting some great writing from Jeff and Andrew.

    They both nailed it this week in my opinion. This team is NOT a playoff contender – and wasn’t really (except perhaps if some flukey stuff happened). So as they both say – there is opportunity here.

    Anxious to see what happens. I will say if they try to run the same garbage offense with Hoyer and make no concessions/changes to reality, I’ll have checked out. I’ll still follow individual player’s progress – bu tit will be clear that Loggains is in over his head (pretty clear already) and Fox needs to retire.

  • willbest

    Wow the Saints put CB PJ Williams on IR over a concussion. Payton called it the most severe concussion I have ever seen.

    • SC Dave

      Bummer. Career ender?

      • CanadaBear

        Hopefully the guy considers it. Scary shit!

      • Irish Sweetness

        CTE. Brain damage that drives you crazy.

        • EnderWiggin

          CTE = What Dave Duerson had?

  • Sactowns#1

    My guess, Bears win just enough games to put us around pick 10 instead of in the top 5.

    • CanadaBear

      Nah. if there is a consensus there are 5 great players in the draft, the Bears pick 6th.

      • Sactowns#1

        Of course by some miracle one of the top 5 players slips to us and POX tries to outsmart everyone, picking an unknown fullback from southern Oregon.

        • CanadaBear

          You won’t believe the upside. Only problem is he’s never played football.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            And weighs a buck-fifty. But we have a terrific training table!

          • CanadaBear

            With a phone app that tells you to eat every couple of hours. What could go wrong?

  • BerwynBomber

    Matt Barkley elevated to the Bears active roster.

    • CanadaBear

      That should end the speculation. Hoyer is starting and Cutler is out.

      • BerwynBomber

        Foxy had me wondering for a few hours there. Though I’m guessing I wasn’t his target audience. More like Garrett/Old Sauce.

        P.S. Irish is now on YouTube drooling over Matt Barkley college highlights. Just yanking ya, Irish.

        Btw, unlike Fales, I believe Barkley has seen live NFL action in previous years. He may have even started a game once.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I will NOT be doing that.

          If Hoyer goes down, we have to trade for Fales. A 6th should do it. Shaw comes back. Grasu will be back. We’re good for next year. Draft two tackles, sign a beast DE. Fire Fangio. Let the asst. DC call more pressure plays. All good.

  • SC Dave

    Guess we’ll see what happens with the game. Re: Cam, it’s hard to argue with what he said.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/panthers-could-move-sundays-game-in-response-to-riots-144112339.html

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Great read and great quote.

    I STILL say the Bears win this game and the Defensive Squad is going to surprise everyone with a monster performance. I mean ifthe Rams can beat the Seahawks, ANYTHING can happen!

    I totally agree with Jeff about the short pass. My wife loves football and even she screamed at the TV Monday night…”Where is our Short, Quick Passes?”. We struggled with years of Lovie NOT adjusting to what was happening in games and we lost a SB because of that fact. Do we really need to go through that shit again with Fox & Co.? I certainly hope the hell not.

    BEAR DOWN!

    Bears = 24
    Beagles = 10

    • CanadaBear

      Won’t be a problem. Fox will never get the Bears anywhere close to a SB. Not sure he will ever see .500 with the Bears.

      • Johnnywad

        Damn Canada. How can a dude that smokes as much pot as you be this gloomy? I didn’t think that was possible.

        • CanadaBear

          I might not smoke as much as you think! I was the gloomy gus around here at 8-8 and you don’t even want to know where I’m at now. I just think Fox is retired in place, Nathan Lane would be an adequate replacement for Nathan Lane, Pace’s first rd picks are hideous and the Bears can’t catch a break on the injury front. Mostly I’m stunned how impotent Fox appears to be. Sure wasn’t expecting that. I knew there was a good chance Mr Lane would suck ass but he’s been way worse than I thought. Same goes for Massie. I wasn’t expecting to see White look slower than Alshon. All it will take is one win and I won’t be so negative.

    • BearDown100393

      I think you mean the Cowgirls

      • Bears-4-Ever

        True dat.

  • That Guy

    Hoyer with a great quote. Last year, his team started 0-2, at one point was 2-5, and they still made the playoffs.

    The AFC South was dreadful last year, but then the NFC North might be dreadful this year. The Packers are looking terrible. The Viking just lost their running back. The Lions are thoroughly beatable. There is no reason for the Bears not to continue to pursue a playoff spot at this point in the season.

    Meanwhile, Ryan Pace can immediately start looking at next year. He can push his coaches to try new strategies if the current ones are failing. He can evaluate young players and push for them to get playing time. The team should not fear experimentation. But the atmosphere in the locker room should still be a push to win games.

    • willbest

      I know they had QB problems but they didn’t lose 4 defensive starters while having 2 more sidelined with various injuries.

  • beninnorcal

    Hopefully the Bears don’t continue to get wrecked like these last two games. The type of football they’re playing will put Virginia in an early grave.

    • BearDown100393

      And that would mean……. ?

      • Huge Bears Penis

        the heirs would not be able to afford the estate taxes and be forced to sell.

        • BearDown100393

          Is that really a problem?

          • willbest

            No. Ginny only owns like 30% of the team at this point. 20% is owned by the former CEO of Aon. The rest is owned by the other heirs. And no doubt each year Ginny’s chunk gets smaller and smaller as the estate plan that was put in place decades ago continues to work. She does have voting control over about 60% of the team.

        • Martin Bell

          From your mouth to God’s ears!

    • willbest

      In fairness the Bears didn’t get wrecked so much as didn’t play 60 minutes of football. The games were competitive until half time when the trainers hand out quaalude water.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    Brian Billick said he couldn’t be a HC now. That too much of the job is sucking up to the GM and making sure none of the GM’s picks look bad.

    The great coaches: Shula, Gibbs, Parcells and such – they would start Howard at tailback. But that would make the GM and the Langford pick look bad. Meredith over White makes the GM look bad.

    Fox is in coast mode, raking in enough bucks to make sure he can afford the extra fishing boat he wants. So that is what we get. Pacebot seems like the kind of young buck with his fucking replicant face, He seems like the kind of guy who demands fealty. So we don’t have our best players out there.

    God help me, I’m turning into Irish.

    • SC Dave

      “The Lord helps those who help themselves”…. or something like that.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        No…I think that was Bubba…

    • Irish Sweetness

      I swear to God if I had two billion I’d blow it all on the Bears. Wouldn’t it be great to be one of those owners that sticks their nose in?

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Since we’re dreaming….if I had a trillion dollars I’d start my own league and call it the F.U.NFL. I’d also tell that hoity toity broad in Buckingham palace to take a hike and get a real job. Lol

        • SC Dave

          A trillion dollars? I’d build a fucking moonbase, an orbital luxury hotel, and most importantly make sure MB had access to the best boobies on Earth (and I’m not talking about pictures) so he could send the rest of you after action reports complete with photographic documentation (tasteful pictures only, of course, as determined by me).

          Well, okay, a corporate suite for every Bears ROAD game with open (all-expenses paid, naturally) invites for all you regular blog bastards. Because I cannot stand the idea of watching them lose at home, over and over.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      Langford was a 4th round pick Howard a 5th round pick. Pretty sure they are not worried about making the GM look bad. It’s not like Langford was drafted significantly higher.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        So you think it’s BirdCage that put Langford back in after Howard ran well against the Eagles? Or maybe after the 3 and out of bad passes?

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Not sure. maybe Langford is better at pass blocking and picking up the blitz. I really did not pay attention to how the RBs were handling blitz pickups or helping in pass blocking, especially since our tackles were letting everyone run around them.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            You make some good points. The mental aspect is huge in the NFL as well.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Probably something someone like Andrew can look into since grades out the Oline, but Andrew doesn’t ever mention anything about how the RBs are doing in pass protection.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I think they felt like any decision was better than no decision…and it was the wrong one. But Howard could change that if he starts.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Billick had to be thinking about Ravens owner Bisciotti.

      http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3175037

  • BerwynBomber

    Ugly stat of the day: thru two games the Bears have been outscored 33-7 in the second half. Our lone points came on an Eddie Royal punt return.

    Wonder if that is our first PR TD since Hester?

    • willbest

      Somebody ran something back last year. I don’t know if it was a KR or a PR

      • TBC

        It was a kick return at lambeau but it was 2014. Sinorise Perry maybe? I think He cut the deficit to 55-14.

  • CanadaBear

    Nessman’s first 18 games 9-9. Fox’s first 18 games 6-12. UGH!

    • BearDown100393

      Nessman had Smith leftovers. Fox is working out of an empty refrigerator after Nessman.

      • BerwynBomber

        True but if we trend downward (I’d even argue if we stay neutral) then it will be a big disappointment. Cupboard is a bit bare but not as bare as last year.

        Anyway, still early. Fourteen to go.

        • SC Dave

          Indeed. Plenty of time to right the ship. Need to remain healthy for a couple of weeks at least though.

      • CanadaBear

        True enough but Fox and Pace were behind getting rid of Marshall, Bennett and Forte. They had to know none of those transactions helped the Bears on the field. Off field, maybe, on field, no way. That was my initial issue with them. Instead of trying to get Marshall or Bennet on board, just dump ’em for next to nothing. Forte would have taken even less than he took with the Jets to stay in Chicago. Nope, he has to go because they drafted Langford. I understand all those decisions but if you’re going that route have some replacements ready to rock. They drafted White to replace Marshall (don’t think we’ll have to bring in Sherlock Holmes to see who got the better end of that deal). They didn’t even try to replace Bennett and they replace the guy with the most yds from scrimmage since he’s been in the NFL with a bum that had a couple of good runs and a fabulous screen pass for a TD. The cupboard wasn’t completely bare when they took over.

        • The thing is, a team never truly knows if a player is the real deal until he gets a full work load.

          We won’t know about Langford or White until at least one full season.

          And if we kept Forte, we probably don’t draft Howard, and what if he turns out to be the next Beastmode?

          I don’t mind throwing 4rth/5th rd picks at HBs till one sticks, personally.

          But, gotta hit on those 1st two rds.

          Bennett checked out, and Bmarsh soured on Cutty, like the rest of us.

          • CanadaBear

            I get all that but why push Forte out for a 4th round draft pick that couldn’t get Forte off the field? For me, if you can’t get decent value for a player in a trade, don’t make the trade. Either way, POX has been a major disappointment.

          • I can understand that logic, and the only answer I can think of is that they were looking at next year, or two seasons from now.

            Because we all knew Forte had at least one more season in him. I know I did, and that’s why I drafted him in FF.

            It could also be they were banking on replacing him with CJ Anderson, but once the Broncs threw him outages $, they backed out.

            Either way, here we are.

            I’m actually quite optimistic about our run game improving though. How could it not with that interior (which will gel more)?

            What’s hurting our rungame more than anything is not talent, but play calling, IMO.

            Defense just know when we’re gonna run it cuz even I know watching from my lazyboy.

          • CanadaBear

            Can’t argue about Mr Lane. To me, Langford is a change of pace back. Hope Howard is the real deal.

          • If the OC sucks, it really won’t matter who we have back there Canada.

            Look at the Rams.

            Gurley is a bonafide stud.

            He’s avg 2.7yds per carry.

            Why? Well, we all know why.

            Fisher.

            Meanwhile a 33yr old DeAngelo Williams is avg like 4.1 under that dynamic Haley O.

            A creative OC finds ways. Sadly, we do not have that.

          • CanadaBear

            Doesn’t help that Kyle is at about 75%.

          • willbest

            Haley worth HC consideration? I mean I know he has been, but maybe he learned and is ready for round 2?

          • Oof.

            That’s tough cuz like McDaniels, he’s a giant douchbag. I don’t even think him and Roth get along. I know at first there was a lot of friction.

            If we were to hire him as HC, don’t think I would mind though. At least he has a resume and seems ascending.

            But he could just be the offensive equivalent of Wade Phillips or Ryan – good coordinators, bad HCs

          • SC Dave

            Forte provided Cutler with a security blanket that he does not have now, which I think is much to the detriment of the offense. But Matt’s gone and that is that. Damnit.

          • SC Dave

            I could certainly have seen Forte, Carey, and Howard as our “committee”.

          • Malice Halice

            Seriously though, if you were outside looking in and you read the bears dropped Forte (no trade deal) because of this “prospect ” Langford…. you’d expect some APEX caliber weapon behind cutler. But NOPE!

          • Martin Bell

            $$$$!

          • SC Dave

            Why not pick Howard even keeping Forte? If you like RB by committee, more good ones is better.

          • It’s possible, but if you have Forte, Carey and Langford (plus Jizz at that moment), then spending a 4rth/5th on another HB would be hard to rationalize.

            Not to mention, having plans to go after CJ Anderson.

            If Forte is here, Howard is not.

            That’s the way GMs work typically (unless they’re truly BPA)

        • BerwynBomber

          And therein lies part of the problem with keeping Cutler for a “total rebuild” while also not drafting a QB. If we were merely going to tinker and upgrade the roster via free agency and the draft — in other words, NOT a total rebuild and re-sign BMarsh, Forte and Bennett — then sticking with Cutty for a third regime made sense, even in a fool’s errand sort of way. But a total rebuild around a 33 year old Jay with no plan for that position in the future? Fuck, I would be hesitant to undertake such a plan even with an elite guy. If nothing else I would be looking to groom a young dude on the side. You know, a Plan B. With Cutty? Not only groom but potentially have him compete for the job in year or two.

          The entire plan seemed, at its essence, self-contradictory. At least in my view.

          It also makes me wonder who truly hired Fox. Was it Pace or Acorsi? Not that Pace would have disliked Fox, and the Fox/Cutler marriage makes sense from the veteran HC/veteran QB perspective, but then why turn around and play footsies with TEN over the Mariota pick, which if we are to believe the reports, involved shipping Jay there? Would Fox have wanted a raw as hell rookie QB like Mariota as his starter? Gase, yes. But Fox? Hard to imagine.

          • They sorta split the baby in half.

            They wanted a “gradual” rebuild, not a total demo.

            Also, keeping Cutler around gave them more options.

            If possible, they could’ve packaged him if the opportunity arose (still an option).
            In addition, having a QB like Cutler sends a msg to FAs – we’re still trying to win, now.

            Does McPhee, Sitton or Trevathan sign on to a team QBd by Fales or Shaw or Sanchize?

            Dunno. Don’t think so.

            So keeping Cutler around was a good way to still remain competitive in the FA market while leaving options open.

            We can still trade Cutler for like a 2nd, or come draft day next year, maybe some team taps us for him.

            It’s not as if Cutler is transcendental. He’s not gonna move us in the draft that much.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough. But still: No QB plan for the future. No draft pick. That was main point: keeping Cutler AND no future QB plan.

            I’d be hesitant to do that even if I had Brady or Rodgers, etc.

          • I think their plan is – keep Cutler until something better comes along (And that is not too cost prohibitive like with Mariota).

            Given the year that Cutler had under Gase, it seemed reasonable.

            But now that he looks like Diabetes Cutler again, maybe they should’ve dumped him and gone all in on someone like Wentz.

            Won’t matter that much in the long run.

            If we suck as much as we do right now, we’ll have an even higher draft pick next year, and we can dump Cutty and throw the kitchen sink for that next franchise QB.

          • BerwynBomber

            Right, but still goes back to my point, even with a Rodgers or Brady, I’m planning ahead. The knee-jerk argument is, “well, the team had too many holes.” Of course it did, but if you land your franchise guy how many holes is he worth? An entire D-Line? Hell, even if you land a young Cutty-level dude he is worth probably worth a couple of starters.

            I just never got the rationale for not drafting someone. Or the fact that we have not spent a top three round pick on a QB in 13 years. I have not looked but I would bet that leads the league in drafting a QB aversion. Oh, and lo and behold, our QB history is not that good — just a coincidence. And yes, I get that QBs can be a huge gamble and you can CLE Browns the fuck out of it, but sooner or later, you gotta pull the trigger.

            Ah well. The years have been wasted now. Maybe we final do in the next draft. TBD.

          • SC Dave

            Connor Shaw was our developmental guy. That injury was really a shame – I had some hope for that kid.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m talking a kid we draft in the first couple of rounds. Not someone off the scrap heap.

          • willbest

            Looking at what Wentz cost the Eagles… I don’t know. We have way too many holes to fill from a decade of neglect. We are going to need that magical season of sucktitude right when the next Peyton Manning comes out or win some sort of Russell Wilson style lottery.

          • BerwynBomber

            So you would be unwilling to part with what PHI did for Wentz?

          • willbest

            Philly gave up 8th overall pick, plus their 3rd and 4th rounder. Plus the 2017 first, plus 2018 2nd. To get the 2nd overall pick and a 4th or 5th rounder next year.

            To move from 13th to 8th they traded Kiko Alonso and Byron Maxwell.

            So sure we could have done what the Eagles did but then we have the Andrew Luck problem where we are getting him killed with a shitty line and no real resources from solving that problem long term. I guess you could throw money at players like Massie, but there is clearly a reason Massie was available to throw money at.

          • BerwynBomber

            The Andrew Luck problem is not a bad one to have. Indy is just poorly run and coached.

            Do you think the Eagles are absolutely stocked at other positions? Do you think they didn’t have tons of holes to fill like us? Do you think CLE likes that trade right now?

            You can try to build the perfect team around Cutler. I get it. But it will have so many moving parts that even IF you manage to accomplish it the window will be very small because of the numerous contracts/players involved. Or you can do what PHI may have just done: get the young franchise QB who gives you playoff contention window, on and off, for a decade.

            It’s a QB league now. I don’t know if I particularly like how the position is significantly outsized compared to all others but it’s just how it is. And even if Jay were as good as many think, he’s still 33. We better have a Plan B for the future. And Hoyer, Clausen, etc, ain’t it.

          • willbest

            One, slow down on the Wentz love. They have played us and Cleveland. He looks good, but we have yet to generate pass rush, and our DBs are in theory the weak link in our defense.

            Two, Lets imagine we traded Cutler plus our first and second, and next year’s second for Wentz. What is he going to show you behind that line (with presumably Slauson at center) and Birdcage as his OC for the next 2 years?

          • BerwynBomber

            Stuff it with the slow down warning. I said with Wentz they “may” have found their franchise guy. So I was just using him as a hypothetical. Use Winston, Newton, etc., if you’d like.

            So again, you wouldn’t make the trade you proposed for a Wentz (or the above)? Wouldn’t part with Cutty and those picks for a possible young franchise guy? To me that’s insane.

            Also, I highly doubt PHI’s O-line was all that before Wentz arrived. Jason Peters is the goods — but he’s getting up there — but I doubt the unit was much beyond him.

          • A smart QB improves the Oline in numerous ways.

            Diagnosing the defense. Recognizing blitzes. Getting the ball out quickly. Stepping up in the pocket. Dumping it off or throwing it away.

            Wentz did those things. Cutler did not.

            I’m almost positive the Eagles Oline is not THAT much better than ours, if better at all.

            I agree. After seeing Cutler regress (or return to form), then getting a Wentz type QB makes sense.

            But who the heck saw Cutler looking that awful again. We had to see (and truth is, maybe Cutler does improve) before going all-in like that though

            What happens if Cutler’s thumb heals, and he looks more like under Gase?

            I think I’m with you. We dump him and get a new franchise QB if we’re in striking distance.

            Or, if Cutler’s ego can handle it, keep him as the “bridge” QB while we groom the new guy.

            Reply

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. Like I said, I would have been okay with the keep Cutty move if we had at least drafted, say, a second round guy to nip at his heels for a year. In fact, we might still do that. I just would have done it much sooner. Maybe even pre-dating Pox.

          • CanadaBear

            Ego won’t be an issue. He can groom the new guy for $15 mil or get cut and find out what he’s worth on the open market (I’m guessing much less than $15 mil). Not to mention he’s so beat down and mellow these days he won’t raise a stink.

          • Malice Halice

            Preach! Regardless of a shitty O-line cutler has been around long enough to read a defense. Who fuckin cares about having several OC’s ,that man makes mistakes in the WORSE time of a game. No lie, most Mondays my voice is hoarse due to that dude.
            Trade him to Cleveland for all dem picks they lined up in da draft.

          • willbest

            No I wouldn’t, and here is why.
            1) I hired John Fox. That isn’t what Fox does.
            2) Cutler turned in a rather solid season giving me no reason to bet my GM career on such a trade
            3) While Cutler has trade value when dealing with the Brown, he has none when dealing with the titans. So as a GM I am either betting my career on the leftover of Wentz or Goff. Or I am stuck trying to unload Cutler someplace else to regain value or my draft pick is holding Cutler’s clipboard for a year before trading Cutler.

            Now that is as Pace.

            As Ginny/George, I bet my franchise on the promise of a QB back in 2009, and it didn’t work it. I don’t want my GM involved in that kind of highstakes nonsense when my team was less than 20 points away from an 11 wins season and the NFCN division winner.

            As a fan

            Fuck yeah do it. #2 place is the first loser, go big or go home! if they suck I got Cubs October baseball to watch instead!

          • Martin Bell

            Good quarterbacks cost money, an anathema to the McGoo family scheme. The Bears haven’t drafted an all pro QB in generations since getting rid of Blanda and Layne before their stardom.
            With 80 mouths to feed in the family clan, the Bears and their fans are doomed to 2nd rate football until they sell.

          • SC Dave

            I think money had a lot to do with it. If Cutler was say, 14th best in the league, the contract would be a big bargain for Pox.

  • CanadaBear

    Check out this murderer’s row of picks. That ought to cheer everyone up. Or not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bears_first-round_draft_picks

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Kyle Long is it since basically Greg Olsen.

      • CanadaBear

        And they gave Olsen away for a 3rd rounder because, again, the coaches couldn’t figure how to make it work. I think I’d better take 5. I’m getting too depressed!

      • willbest

        Its why I don’t get upset when I think about the Cutler trade. We weren’t going to get anything good in 09 and 10 anyway.

        • CanadaBear

          I was that way about the Mirer trade, too.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Defeatest attitude? You really are further along than me Will.

          • willbest

            I mean I would like to think we would have drafted Jeremy Maclin and Earl Thomas. But I figure we would have drafted Peria Jerry and Tim Tebow

    • Huge Bears Penis

      i just threw up a little in my mouth.

    • This draft I would’ve gone with Tunsil or Joseph

      Last year was a little rough, but I def would’ve tried to trade up with the Skins for Leonard Floyd.

      White was the “consensus” last blue chip player in the draft, so I can see the logic, but I tend to shy away from drafting WR/HB in the top 10.

      Arik Armstead is another I had my eye on, but trading down might’ve been the way to go in the 15 draft.

      • CanadaBear

        White was basically a one-year wonder with very limited experience and no experience in a pro offense. I get rolling the dice but other than Kyle Long, when has that ever panned out for the Bears?

        • willbest

          One-year wonder on white didn’t make sense in light of the fact that we weren’t really hurting at WR until we sent BMarsh packing, and even then it wasn’t exactly a position of high need having Jeffery and Royal, unlike you know the entire defense.

        • Yeah, if I draft a WR in the Top 10, I want him to be a polished route runner (like Amari Cooper). But again, I’m rather conservative with 1st rders. I just want certain contributors (same philo I have in FF).

          Chi fans should know that the comp for White was Damayrius Thomas.

          Also a big fast freak with limited route tree.

          It took him like 3 years to be any good.

          POX won’t be here that long if this team continues sucking though.

      • willbest

        Right before the pick came in (so knowing that I couldn’t have Donald for example)

        2016 – Tunsil
        2015 – Beasley
        2014 – Pryor or Ha-Ha
        2013 – Ogletree
        2012 – Jones

        • MB30SD

          yep

    • SC Dave

      I did not realize Chicago drafted Howley.

      • CanadaBear

        Me either.

  • willbest

    Silvy is running a twitter poll in which Jimmy G is the favorite to be Bears QB next season. Its like people don’t even watch football. When has any of Brady’s backups been a long term answer?

    • BillW

      And if he was, why would they get rid of him?

    • BerwynBomber

      I assume some of it (but only some) is based on the Eastern IL/hometown kid thing nonsense.
      Garrappolo has looked good, but even beyond the Bellchick influence (which is enormous), he looks a tad small.

      Guys like Brees and Wilson are the size exceptions, and even Rodgers is “only” 6’2″, but if I have a choice I want a 6’4″ or larger guy. Brady, Peyton, Eli, R-berger, Newton, Ryan, Rivers, etc. etc.. I believe all those dudes are 6’5″ or taller. I assume it makes a big difference not only in terms of vision but often in durability.

      • SC Dave

        Brady, Eli, Ryan are 6’4″, the rest are 6’5″

      • Given that he already inj his shoulder in only 2 games, yeah, I would worry too.

  • willbest

    Jeffery has a knee. Also, Birdcage singing Howards praise.

    • BillW

      At some point the fact that we can’t seem to get hurt players healthy has to be considered a concern.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Eye don’t know if this is a new phenomenon or not but today’s NFL players just don’t seem to be as durable as they used to be. That or the meds were just better back in the day.

        • willbest

          I am pretty sure they are all bigger and stronger, but on the same frame, and until they start coming up with titanium mesh ligaments to replace the biological ones that is going to be the limiting factor.

        • SC Dave

          Or they *took* more meds.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            lol thats kinda what I was thinking.

  • If this team has ANY heart (and non-birdcage brain), it’ll win the Dallas game.

    The eggheads frequently ignore the emotional aspect of football (hence, upsets), and I can tell you from being on teams, that when you get embarrassed, it lights a fire in your ass for the next game, and you come out swinging.

    I think that’s what’s gonna happen in this game. Hoyer will give this team new hope, much like that Lion’s game a few years back when that shitty ass team played their hearts out for (McCown?).

    That Dallas team is extremely vulnerable, and if the Bears have any balls left, they’ll leave them on the field this sunday.

  • willbest

    What do people think about Goff not being out there? Is he an epic bust, or does the organization feel there just is zero point in letting Fisher destroying their franchise QB?

    • Goff looked TERRIBLE.

      But from what I read, the Rams didn’t treat him like a rook. They essentially threw the entire playbook in his lap, with predictable results.

      Other teams with rooks don’t usually do that. They usually ease them in with limited JV versions of playbook, and add a little more on the plate week to week.

      The only two rook QBs that got the Goff protocol were Winston and Luck.

      Either Goff is not as good as them right off the bat, or Fisher and gang suck balls cultivating a good QB.

      Both could be true also.

      I actually see a lot of Cutty in Goff, meaning, turnover machine with questionable decision making, but it’s still early. Fisher is not exactly Bill Walsh.

    • SC Dave

      Can’t be an epic bust in your first season.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    A roving gang of black men beat a white guy in a parking garage in Charlotte.

    https://twitter.com/LibertarianQn/status/778845840496594944

    They didn’t kill him though.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_(Manson_scenario)

    • willbest

      As much as I never understood destroying your own neighborhood, this makes less sense to me. If human history has demonstrated anything, nothing is scarier than riled up whites. Except maybe a large asteroid on a collusion course.

      • Just ask zee Germans!

        • MB30SD

          Antisemite

          • Just ask the Native Americans?

          • willbest

            That was mostly disease, outside a couple British plots in PA, that was mostly done unintentionally, as small pox spread from the coast inland via tribe to tribe transmission. Its like blaming Ugandans for Zika.

          • Sure. That’s why the surviving Native Americans who were put on the worst parts of land after having theirs stolen by “disease” hang the american flag upside down.

            I dare you to go to a reservation and enlighten them.

          • beninnorcal

            What Will said is true though, 90-95% of natives were killed by European disease.
            http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html

          • willbest

            People believe what they want to believe, the truth of what happened is far more complicated. We did not as such land en mass and work our way across the country exterminating anybody that dare oppose us and confining the rest to reservations. Nor was everything negotiated fairly at arms length transactions.

        • willbest

          Or the English, Romans, French, Spanish, Americans, Vikings, Russians, really everybody but the Canadians.

      • MB30SD
      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Collusion course. Ha.

        • SC Dave

          Ha indeed! Didn’t notice that. Good eye…

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        But that was when it used to be cool to be white before it became a disease.

    • AlbertInTucson

      That was nice of them.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Hold on that was NOT a beating. They push him around a bit and stole his white pants.

      I’m sure he was scared, anyone would be in that situation but he’d didn’t seem hurt and was able to escape.

      THIS is a “beating”…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR3qMy8iahw

      • SC Dave

        That douche dancing for the camera, bobbing and weaving ‘boxing’ a dude on the ground… ha ha ha!! What a fucking wanker.

        And how many times does he have to hit someone to put him out?

  • Yet, the national media will continue to hit the Cutler pinata and yell, “he’s a quitter! – Silvy tweet

    Yes, poor Cargo Cutler

    Didn’t know McPhee had a media pass

    https://suntimesmedia.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/img_7460.jpg?w=670&h=503

    • BerwynBomber

      Wonder how Fox handled that in the aftermath.

      • CanadaBear

        He’s retired in place. It will be filed under boys will be boys.

        • BerwynBomber

          That’s dire …

        • Fox supposedly didn’t even see it or know about it.

          Like how do you miss your defensive captain shouting in the face of your QB?

          #LovieStare

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Hmm. I’ll have to look into that.

    • BearDown100393

      McPhee seems a bit pudgy.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “And Kevin White’s speed would make every reception a potential big gain.”

    What speed?

    That fly sweep on Monday should have been a big gainer.

    He looked like he was laboring to turn that corner.

    Let’s stop touting White’s speed until he actually shows some.

    I fear that leg surgery took a toll.

    • CanadaBear

      I thought the same thing watching it. I thought, “4.35 my ass, Alshon is faster than that”.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        You have good eye sight Canada. Eye agree.

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    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Bingo! The dude was the 7th pick in the draft because of his speed. I’m guessing his injury downgraded him to a 3rd rounder at best.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Replaced “discussing” with “touting” in the above post.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I give you, Joe Moore.

      11 overall pick in 1971.

      Missouri’s all-time leading rusher in his day.

      Drafted to fill the looming Gale Sayers void.

      Injured in camp.

      Gained less than 300 yards in a 2 season career in the NFL, both as a Bear.

      • CanadaBear

        Remember that. They took his RB partner Jim Harrison in the 2nd rd. He had a better career than Joe but nothing to shout about.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Right you are. Harrison was a huge fullback but, he ran better outside than inside and had trouble hanging on to the football.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Right eye am. Hee hee

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Jay Cutler and Eddie Goldman will only be missing a few games.”

    If the Over/Under on Goldman is say, 4 games, I’m taking the Over.

    And I still wouldn’t be surprised that after a couple of weeks it turns out Cutler DOES need surgery.

    • BearDown100393

      Well he has a “thumb”. Classified as a sprain. If it is sprained and nothing more, no surgery. If it is torn or there is a fracture to the bone itself, well yeah likely. Who really knows with the classic POX vagueness.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Not “POX” Vagueness.

        “NFL Coach” Vagueness.

        They all think their team’s injuries are the equivalent of The Manhatten project.

        I think their waiting to see if it improves and if/when it doesn’t, surgery.

        • willbest

          My grandfather worked on the Manhatten project. Like the real part where people knew what was going on, not the people being told to build building or casings or machines with no idea what it was for. He comes home from work one day and finds his supervisors kid under his porch (he lived a few doors down) and he asked the kid “what are you doing” and the kid said “hiding from the atom bomb”. So I suppose it was a good thing high tech listening devices and social media generally hadn’t been invented yet.

          • AlbertInTucson

            My Mom worked in Payroll at U of Chicago when Enrico Fermi was building the first Atomic Pile in a facility under their football field.

            She said nobody had a clue what was going on there.

            Yes, The U of Chicago once had a football program, were members of the Big 10
            and alum, Jay Berwanger, was the first winner of the Heisman Trophy.

            Berwanger passed on a pro football career.

          • willbest

            I have talked to a few other people that had no idea, I was just pointing out how one guy unloading at the dinner table (or overheard pillow talk) could have blown it wide open in modern times. Also suggesting the weak link is to isolate Camden down at the pre-school and pick his brain.

          • AlbertInTucson

            For sure. Plus back then, they find out you leaked it and you end up like the Rosenbergs.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Excellent Manhattan Project companion films:

            FAT MAN AN LITTLE BOY details the bomb making part of the project including the scientists advocating NOT using it after Germany surrendered. Paul Newman stars as project administrator, General Leslie Groves.

            ABOVE AND BEYOND details the Air Corps project of figuring out how to deliver the bomb on a target. Robert Taylor stars a Col. Paul Tibbets who oversaw the flight training and flew the Hiroshima bombing mission.

          • BearDown100393

            FM&LB – John Cusack had Laura Dern on the mind. And then something very bad happened.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I THINK, or something like it, that actually happened on the project.

            A similar incident is detailed in THE BEGINNING OR THE END?, a 1947 version of the Manhattan Project story. Brian Donlevy stars as Gen. Groves.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            WGN America had a awesome TV Show based on the Manhattan Project. But they cancelled the third season. Season 1 & 2 Worth Watching IMHO.

          • Cormonster

            I have to check that out. I know my parents were really into it.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            What was your grandfather’s name? I’m sure EYE know him.

          • willbest

            I won’t do that, I will tell you he was a chemical engineer working for dupont at CEW in Oak Ridge TN.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Eye was just messin wit ya.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Did he know what he was actually working on or was everything compartmentalized?

          • willbest

            Well he knew because he was high enough up that they were making a bomb, but there was plenty they didn’t tell him. He said they tried to keep it as need to know as possible, but most the people in the area he worked knew just by function of what they were doing.

            But when the news broke he turned to my grandma and says thats why he moved the family to Tennessee.

    • If Hoyer looks decent, Cutler will need surgery.

      If Hoyer flames out, Cutler will magically heal.

  • SC Dave
  • On an FF note, I realllly want to play Edlemen. It would be cool if I beat Artoo with Edlemen throwing some wildcat TDs.

    So years from now I can say, “Hey, ‘Too, remember when I beat you with 3 QBs and one WR?”

    But I don’t think I can sit Fitzgerald.

    If I weren’t heavily favored, I’d prolly swing for the fences though

    • willbest

      Oh right Hopkins.. I was going to say who the hell was your other WR if you were going to sit Fitz

  • CanadaBear

    New thread.

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  • Martin Bell

    The Bears this year will be happy to repeat 6-10! Until the McGoo family goes, they will be bringing up the Central rear. They will continue drafting higher than anyone in the division and having the least success in the entire league in producing productive players because the McGoo’s take comes first and player loyalty and desire don’t exist because they don’t exist in the management or ownership.

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