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Draft This Guy: Cody Whitehair, Guard, Kansas State

| April 29th, 2016

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I am not going to spend much time over the next mont breaking down which college players is going to go where. Frankly, I don’t care that much. Instead I’m going to write about college players I really like. Cody Whitehair might be my favorite player in this year’s draft.

From NFL.com:

Four-­year starter voted team captain in 2015. Tireless worker bee in the weight room and in practices who brings a high degree of dependability and consistency to the table. Team­-oriented. Played exceptionally well while out of position at left tackle for Kansas State. Atypical body composure and control. Is almost always in complete control of his body thanks to outstanding core strength and balance. Extremely efficient with his movements after the snap. Has played both guard and both tackle spots and has roster value at all five positions. Mirrors with a wide, stout base and has great feel for keeping defender squared up throughout the rep. Confident, composed and competitive. Smooth and athletic when asked to pull and has radar to find target and strike accurate blow. Makes up for shorter arms with massive hands that function as vise grips. Consistent with hand placement and extremely sticky blocker. Combines hand strength and balance to snatch and control a defender until the whistle blows. Can sink hips at contact and should be able to stalemate bigger players across from him. Exceptional body control and core strength allows him to successfully redirect defenders who get to his edge.

He can play all across the line. He’s nasty. And he reminds me of Zack Martin, who might be one of the two or three best guards in the league. I think Whitehair will get there in a couple years.

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  • Frank Schoenburg

    1st!

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Congratulations!

  • AlbertInTucson

    What round are you suggesting they take Mr.Whitehair?

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    I find myself reading more and more about non defensive 1st round draft picks going to the Bears. I, and many others here, have no problem stacking the O line or having awesome WR’s and Running Backs. My issue comes with projecting these picks to a team like the Bears who have lost over a dozen games in the last 3 years BECAUSE of Defense. It’s true that the O didn’t help in some games but the drop off from the Lovie D’s has been severe and we all know the various reasons why. The D rebuild has to be aggressive and it has to come from the draft. Free agency is crucial but we simply need 2 major contributors from this draft.
    If they want to draft O in the 1st and 2nd rounds that would have been fine….if they would have picked up another key D piece or two this past free agency and I’m talking immediate plug and play talent. They did not and there are still too many holes to fill. The draft cannot be wasted on a RB or WR. It can be used on an OL but only if they pick up another defender this week to replace that 1st pick.

    • I know the mantra “BPA” is bs many times, but I seriously feel that POX leans that way more than some other GMs (kinda like the Ravens).

      It feels like POX wanted to fix the middle of our D in order to not have to reach for D in the first two rounds.

      Pox also knows that it’s a deep Dline class.

      So, in his head, ILB is taken care of. Rush/Edge will be gone by #11. by #11 it’ll probably be 2nd tier DT/DE which POX figures he can get in the top of the 2nd.

      So, it’s either S or yes, maybe Ezekial Elliot or even Conklin (we know FOX wants to be run oriented).

      So, if Elliot is there, do you pass him up for say, Shaq Lawson, Darron Lee, or NkDemiche?

      That’s a tough call. I think I would pass on RB though.

      I heard an interesting theory that you shouldn’t draft a 1st rd HB until you’re very close to SB run cuz you don’t want to wear your stud out on mediocre teams

      • Irish Sweetness

        Of the top players they had in for a look-see, I only saw Ogbah as a rusher. And Jihad.

        If we pass up Elliott- your back for 6 to 8 years – for a mook like Lawson, I will cough a nut.

        We will be SB ready next year, so maybe now is th time to get Elliott. BTW, Dallas or Philly will make that choice for us. I not so secretly hope that we get our RB in round two and that he weighs 245lbs and runs a 4.54.

        Buckner in the first, hopefully, then Henry, then don’t-care.

    • Shady

      I care much less about position as I do the ultimate outcome of the pick. Would you rather have an all pro WR/RB or an average linebacker? As a GM, if you’re on the clock and you have a few decent prospects at perceived positions of need available, and you also have a prospect graded much higher but perhaps he doesn’t fill a big “need” you’ve got to pull the trigger on the guy who you believe is a lock. Passing on the best players to fill a need often results in forcing square pegs into round holes i.e. McDinner

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        I hear you Shady but I can only speak to the glaring weakness of the Bears which is defense. The offense is ok right now but the defense needed the major overhaul and it’s not close enough to being done yet. With pick 11 in the 1st and pick 8 in the 2nd it is feasible that we pick up 2 strong D starters or at least contributors. We’ve whiffed for so long that to go into the season with our Safeties as is, our DE situation as is may be foolish. Why not just close the loop and fill the positions that need filling?

        • Shady

          I think the O has issues of it’s own, but they’ve been overshadowed by the crappiness of the D. For me, offense, defense, it doesn’t really matter as long as the the GM hits the pick.

          Listen, best case scenario Pace drafts BPA at the biggest PON, but when people keep saying which positions to take in certain rounds it just sounds stupid. Not saying you Waffle, but I hear that shit a lot and it’s annoying.

          • willbest

            Sure, but you compete this season too. The goal with each pick is to maximize the benefit to your team.

            Going from off the street fill-ins to a competent safety is going to improve your team more than going from a Slausen quality guard to a Long quality guard.

            I don’t think anybody has said which position needs to be drafted in which rounds. I think the worst I have seen on this board is 3 of first 4 picks being D-line.

            But here is where the Bears have genuine needs: safety, corner, defensive end, pass rusher, tight end, left tackle, slot receiver/returner. Which gives Pace a lot of wiggle room in filling a need while selecting players with lots of upside.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We have competent starters for CB and Safety, I don’t see how they are needs … more like wishes. We need some depth at CB, I can’t see past Bryce and they probably wouldn’t use him at CB anyway.

            Who is the Bears DE? I don’t see one. I think OT is a weakness. We’re at least a WR short. It would be nice to have a banger at HB, but I wouldn’t call it a need.

          • willbest

            You mean Neckbrace? Porter showed up big a couple times but his entire career he has been inconsistent. He isn’t a #1 CB any more than Fuller. That UFA guy seemed to do okay, at least we weren’t being raped by the slot receiver when he was playing. But if you could draft the next Marcus Peters you Fing do it.

            At safety we have Rolle and Amos but a lot of people aren’t sold on Amos and even if Rolle makes it through this year healthy it is unlikely the Bears bring him back in 2017.

            D-line we have Hicks, Goldman, Ego, and if we don’t take somebody at 11 or 41 there will be somebody that can contribute in round 3. I am not saying we don’t have a need, I just don’t see it being that much greater than our secondary needs that we can’t pick one over them if Pace thinks they have pro-bowler stamped on their forehead.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I don’t know enough outside of the first round or two when it comes to positions. I just look at the positions needing an upgrade and feel better knowing that at pick 11 you’ll get one deemed one of the best in college football. An early 2nd round pick means you should get one of the top 40 players as long as your scouting department did it’s job.

            The O has issues along the line with depth and I would not be opposed to it. If they are leaning that way though they have a funny way of showing it by letting quality Defensive NFL vets sign with other teams.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I think most of the comments, IMHO, have been what position NOT to target early vs. late. And I think that’s fair.
            Still not going to move me off of the Darron Lee bandwagon, but that’s just because.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Thing is, we’ve got another year. This defense wasn’t going to get fixed overnight, but we’ve got to do it in unison with the offense. Jay has to be protected. He needs targets too, and when AJ goes down and everybody’s looking at KW … that won’t be good. We got no bangers at RB … Perry has some size … but maybe we need to pick up Jonathan Howard … or Inshallah … Derrick Henry.

          If we get the pass rush going our safeties will be fine. We could use a corner in this draft no doubt, and I wish/hope we were pushing for Sean Smith and George Iloka … but so be it. We still need the offense to keep the defense rested. We have 9 picks, and POX hit on probably every one last year so I’m excited to see how they plug the gaps.

          I expect him to draft (in no order) OT, CB, DE, OLB, HB, WR and maybe a TE.
          Don’t really care what rounds they come in as long as they can play.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Dude’s from Kearney, Nebraska. Big ol’ cornfed fella. But, the question, Jeff, is why we would spend a high round pick on a G.

    • MB30SD

      Exactly. At 11?!??! That’s a maaaaaassive reach. Or did he just mean I whichever round he’s mocked to go?

      Where is he mocked to go, 2? 3?

      I’d be ok in the 3rd

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Saw one profile that projected him as a second rounder, but possibly low first?

        • willbest

          Considering where we are drafting in the 2nd I would not like to see a guard. I know Slausen only has 2 years left on his contract and probably only 3-4 years left in his career so we need to develop somebody behind him. But we still have holes all over the defense and there should be several impact players in areas of need available.

          It seems a bit crazy to be shoring up the foundation with no apparent flaws on a home where the roof has been ripped off.

          Offensive players I wouldn’t mind seeing in the 2nd round
          left tackle
          tight end
          slot WR (who could do PR/KR his rookie year while learning behind royal)

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Isn’t the TE class pretty weak overall? I am kind of enamored of the idea of drafting that kid that Irish pointed out from Wisconsin…and we should probably be able to grab him pretty late (somewhere after the 3rd, maybe 4th rounds).
            The guy that AD liked so much, Coleman, would be an interesting option in the top of the 2nd. Could stretch the defense and help ST. If he was available there, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if we picked him up (although at some point, we have got to draft a safety…an actual productive safety, not just a body).

          • willbest

            Who was the last safety the Bears drafted that was great? I just figured there was some sort of curse.

            Yes, everything I have read on TEs is that this draft class appears pretty weak. One analysis I read implied that none of them should even be drafted in the 2nd, but a couple probably will due to needy teams. The Bears aren’t exactly desperate but we are 1 Miller injury away from having a hole there. Maybe they trade back, or trade back up into the 2nd to acquire one. But I probably will give Pace the benefit of the doubt if he takes TE1 with the Bears’ second pick. After all, I don’t watch college football and I tend to believe if all the analyst were spot on, then nobody in drafted past round 1 would ever make the pro-bowl.

          • MB30SD

            Mike motherfucking brown.

            Boom!

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Bang bang.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Darron Lee.

          • MB30SD

            Stop that

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            You know you want him too.

          • willbest

            So 15 drafts since the Bears drafted well at the position.

          • MB30SD

            Bingo

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Yes.

          • I agree. An inj prone Miller and nothing behind him.
            I thought POX would go all in and get TWO TEs (esp since it is such a weak TE class), some combination of Miller/Gresham/Greene/Allen, etc

            But for various reason, wasn’t in the cards.

            IMO, we absolutely have to get a viable 2nd TE, even if it’s just a blocking one that can occasionally catch (a Spaeth type).

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Shouldn’t have to pick THAT guy in the second.

          • Oh, def not in the 2nd.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t think Pace will draft a guard or TE in the second.

            He knows we need an OT, WR, DE, pass-rushing OLB, CB in no particular order.
            Let’s not forget he tried to sign CJA, so he’s on the lookout for a HB as well.

            We’ve got three blocking TEs and Zach Miller, I don’t think he’s going to screw the draft by drafting a TE that high, and guards we have. Tayo could play guard, and is probably better suited tot hat position anyway.

      • Big Mike

        Much earlier. Most have him late first round early second. I’ve looked at about a dozen mock drafts and he’s taken between 23 and 35. Mostly in the first round.

  • Sactowns#1

    I can dig it. I want linemen, linemen, linemen in the draft.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      • Sactowns#1

        Linemen… come out and plaaaayyyy

  • If Whitehair can play C, that would be nice.

  • Big Mike

    Only in one or two mocks does he last until pick 41. He goes between 25-35.

    • willbest

      So what you are saying is I shouldn’t throw my shoe at the TV if we draft him at 41 because we will have gotten good hypothetical value?

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        That’s OK – I’ll still do it.

      • Big Mike

        At 41 he’s a value. Mel Kiper has him going at 23 to MN. A Rob Rang a CBS Sports guy has him going at 26 to Seattle. Will brinson has him going at 27 to GB and Draftek has him going at 31 to NE (Although they have them graded as the 43rd best player in the draft) Walter football has him going at 38 to Jacksonville

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Darron Lee.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Note the Moffat trap.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      I love Sherlock.

    • MB30SD

      Almost the same as muff trap

  • Sactowns#1

    Not to get into politics but I just wanted to point out that Bernie CRUSHED it over the weekend. Still plenty of life left in that campaign.

    • willbest

      He is still 275 delegates behind in “democracy” based voters, and then of course Hillary another 440 through her SD advantage. And then the map swings back to Hillary’s turf after the April primary break.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Relax. Sanders is just a mirage.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      http://taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/2000639-an-analysis-of-senator-bernie-sanderss-tax-proposals.pdf
      Sorry man, I can’t get behind someone who is going to penalize me like that to work my ass off for my family and the again when I invest my money to grow it for my family and beyond. I am looking at income tax rates in the 39% range and for capital gains and dividends too. I always find it hilarious when politicians feel like that by screwing with peoples ability to grow their retirement funds and portfolios that they are somehow creating opportunities for other people. It’s not right.

      • Big Mike

        What happens is they get behind the tax the rich sentiment. The image of which is some asshole on Wall Street making $10,000,000 a year, or a CEO making 10x that. All of which sounds like a good idea. But when they work the numbers, the definition of “rich” has to move down to pay for their programs. Next thing you know Big Mike has an extra $20k to pay in federal income tax, his businesses are getting squeezed, and lord help him if he sells one of those businesses. After catching up on retirement investment, paying back loans, re-couping investment, paying taxes on the sale, the profit on selling a company for a few million is not what you’d imagine. Bernie’s deal, makes it worse. It is a disincentive for growth. My strategy would be to grow slower, increase margins and pay out bigger dividends to my partners and I. Instead of investing in growth, hiring more people and selling.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          Their mindset is even crazier than the dumb fucking ideas they come up with that will just get shot down because they are not well thought out, are transparently rigged to fuck a huge segment of the population and play to the lowest common denominator.

          • Big Mike

            At the same time there are loopholes that need to be closed. At some point, a guy have 15 luxury cars, 10 houses and 6 boats, or whatever should pay a higher tax rate. In this light, I will tell you I happily pay taxes, donate and spend time trying to give back. I am fully cognizant that the system of laws and government we have in the US has a lot to do with the success I’ve had. I’m not a guy that thinks I did it all myself. I believe strongly that government needs to help people. In the process some people are going to cheat the system and fuck them. Those people are the ones that set Joe six pack off and we end up with Donald Trump as a Presidential Candidate.

            At the heart of this is what is referred to as income inequality. The title of which is very misleading. In almost every case they are talking about wealth inequality. The top 1% own 40% of all assets in the US. That is f’n insane. This happens because they either inherited wealth, or earned so much money they could not spend it, even being assholish. So it stacked up.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I’m all for closing loopholes.

    • Johnnywad

      It’s been known for some time he would do well last weekend. Doesn’t change anything. He can’t overcome the Super delegates unless he wins at something like an 80% clip. He won’t do that or even get close in states with larger minority populations. Unless Hillary is indicted for something before the convention, or somebody finally turns up a picture of her penis, this thing is over.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        He has to, at minimum, win 58% of the remaining delegates up for grabs for it to become realistic.
        We’ll see how that plays out. I expect him to keep the campaign going until the convention, whether or not he’s got a path.

    • willbest

      Then again, even Puffington is calling for her to concede to Bernie.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/its-time-for-hillary-clin_b_9555422.html

      • Cormonster

        Hillary is speaking a few blocks from where I live tomorrow. I wish I had the time to go and wear a Hillary for Prison shirt and bring a “I love guns and rich people” sign to the event. I wonder if I’d get any comments from people.

        • Irish Sweetness

          You’d be the blog hero, Cor, that’s all that matters.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I love how she just ignores the fact that she is ON VIDEO, more than once, stating she is AGAINST gay marriage. She’s allowed to change her position but this idea she can pretend she was always PRO Gay marriage is typical of what a pathological liar she is.

          • willbest

            In politics an apology is an admission of guilt. At which point the question should be what is the sentence.

          • Cormonster

            Hillary’s “core beliefs” are fluid. She’s been moving to the left for the primaries, and if she wins that her beliefs will suddenly change and she will “move to the center” for the general election. A friend on Facebook posted a nine minute video of Hillary lies with multiple examples of video evidence of her speaking to prove each statement was a lie.

          • Big Mike

            Every successful presidential candidate “re-centers” after they win their parties nomination. Makes sense.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Dogmatic != effective when it comes to politicians.

          • AlbertInTucson

            She has one, unchanging, “core belief”: How can I make money on this?

          • Sactowns#1

            lol seriously. Most successful grifters of all time.

          • Sactowns#1

            Yeah I saw that. You can give people the facts but they’ll just keep believing what they want to believe.

          • There you go, Al. Knew you’d come around to Bernie!

          • Big Mike

            Doesn’t matter what any politician thought about an issue like this. It’s where they are now that matters. That goes for all of them.

          • AlbertInTucson

            It matters that she claims she was ALWAYS on board.

          • Big Mike

            I look at this two ways. Maybe she was personally. But politically it was deemed to be a toxic issue. Or she flat out flip flopped.

            Neither concern me. What concerns me is the Republican party being locked on to policies based on fear, hate and getting people to vote against their own self interest, because of said fear and hate. My big issues are income inequality and social liberties. Make it possible for someone to start out with no advantages and work their way up. Treat all people fairly.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Maybe guys with earpieces in.

    • That Guy

      I’m curious. I see Bernie supporters and I see conservatives on the blog (who I assume are fans of either Kasich or Cruz). Is there anyone on the blog who supports Donald Trump for president? Is there anyone who supports Hillary?

      No judgment, just curious.

      • Big Mike

        I will vote for the democratic nominee. I believe Hilary’s policies and my projection of her efficacy as President will be more in line with what I hope to see over the next 8 years. Sanders has jolted the conversation to the left. Which I believe is good. But his Robin Hood approach in its uncompromised form is too much.

        I stay out of the reality show nature of the campaign. I don’t give a rats ass about who Clinton’s emails, or Cruz’s wife or Trump’s tiny hands. I do care that Trump has no experience at anything related to being the President of the United States. Cruz is just… Never mind.

        • SC Dave

          Did you vote Obama? No way he was any more qualified than Trump

          • Big Mike

            Trump is basically a failure Dave. His ROI as a real estate developer is below his peer group. He’s bullied his way around by being loud and using his family $. His performance vs just putting some money in a REIT is under performing by about 40 and 50%. Obama had at least run for office and served a term in the Senate. I don’t disagree that the job was too big for him in the beginning. Facing a historically disagreeable congress, he’s done alright. I personally can’t rap my head around anything good about Trump being a president.

          • Sactowns#1

            I hate to say it but the one thing he has is a disdain for more wars of regime change and foreign occupations.

          • Big Mike

            He could be the cause of an isolationist US foreign policy. A policy executed by the B or C team. While Sanders hasn’t said the same, his cutbacks to the military more or less effect the same change. But I can’t disagree with wanting to scale back regime change and foreign occupations. I’m also not informed enough to look 2 moves ahead and assess the impact of this type of change in foreign policy. It could de-stabilize entire regions and create a power vacuum exploited by China, Russia, etc..

          • SC Dave

            We will simply disagree… Obama was no more competent than Trump.

          • Big Mike

            I think the rest of the world will disagree with you. With that, we’ll say OK. No worries and on to the Draft.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Intriguing – the story on Brandon Marshall (the linebacker) hasn’t gone away.
    https://predominantlyorange.com/2016/03/28/brandon-marshall-to-miss-off-season-workouts/

    GO get him, Pace.

    • willbest

      In reading over the NFL’s rules for ERFA and RFA the NFLPA clearly dropped the ball on that one at the negotiating table. I hope they got something good for that gift.

    • MB30SD

      He’s been my #1 fa pick since day 1

  • AlbertInTucson
  • AlbertInTucson

    Sam Acho: “Not a difference maker but good depth signing.”

    Agree.

    • AlbertInTucson

      And approve.

  • Sactowns#1

    Best John Landis movie?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Chicago boy and high school dropout who started in the mail room of 20th Century Fox.

      My choice: ANIMAL HOUSE.

      • MB30SD

        Hands. … down.

        • Sactowns#1

          Hands down? Over Coming to America? I love Animal House but Coming to America has dozens of lines that people still universally use.

          • AlbertInTucson

            BUT, “Fat drunken stupid…” actually HAS worked for a lot of politicians.

          • MB30SD

            Yes. While I agree and CtA is also a top 10 of mine… gotta go wid AH on historic value alone.

            SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!!!

            (drops mic and walks off)

          • AlbertInTucson

            COMING … is OK, but it’s no ANIMAL HOUSE..

            Bluto to Kent: “Face it. You fucked up. You trusted us.”

          • CanadaBear

            I liked the movie but Animal House might be the #1 comedy of all time. I prefer Blazing Saddles. When I saw both of those movies I went back to the theater a day or two later and saw them again. Coming to America made me laugh but nothing like those two movies.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Dean Wormer (John Vernon): “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

    • Irish Sweetness

      Kentucky Fried Movie.

      • Sactowns#1

        I loved that movie. It was the first “adult comedy” I ever loved.

  • willbest
    • AlbertInTucson

      And the taxes in OP are killer.

      • willbest

        Taxes in all the higher end suburbs are killer. Then again, our schools aren’t going to suffer if the state goes bankrupt since we cover 96% of the costs through property taxes.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I knew Oak Park well.

        • SC Dave

          Sure they will, when the government collectivism your tax money to pay for failed schools everywhere

    • Johnnywad

      Just heard today Chicago is losing more residents annually than any other city in the nation. That’s a nasty trend. See Detroit.

      • MB30SD

        84% increase in homicides… ot shocking.

        • willbest

          Yes that happens after BLM comes to town. Baltimore, St. Louis, DC, Milwaukee are all seeing sharp spikes in homicides after.

          • Big Mike

            BLM?

          • willbest

            Black lives matter. Every time there is a sizable protest over an injustice real (McDonald) or perceived (Brown), the city has shown a sharp increase the following year in the homicide rate. The sample size is small at this point, and its too soon to tell if this is a temporary spike or a longer term trend, but it really does seem that the homicide increase is linked to BLM because cities like Newark, Cincy, and others that haven’t had a massive BLM protest have not seen their homicide rates climb.

            That isn’t to say that BLM is causing the sharp increase per se. But the political pressure they are exhibiting is causing new department procedures which are reducing arrests and increasing crime.

          • Big Mike

            I know what it is. The acronym I wasn’t familiar with. Nice insight. I don’t know if I’d put this on the police procedures and arrests going down. (I have no insight to this, expressing my gut reaction). I’d say the BLM protests create a sense of empowerment and make it fashionable to act out and try and get a nice video to post of a cop trying to do his job and possibly losing his cool. It’s almost like trolling for an ass whooping so you’ve got something to post.

          • Sactowns#1
          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            my friend/neighbor had a kid fake like he was pulling out a gun on him while his friend filmed it……last weekend
            You don’t know what goes on here so don’t start pulling out studies and charts on me. 🙂

          • Sactowns#1

            I’ll never forget in HS a couple friends were into filming and amateur directing. One of our friends was the manager at Burger King. He let 3 of my buddies film a robbery scene there. Wouldn’t you know about 12 cop cars showed up after frantic phone calls from passers by. Sometimes it pays to be white.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Back in the mid 90s I had a class in HS that we had to create a film about some historical event, i forget which event we chose but it was about a hostage situation. So we filmed van racing through the parking lot and coming to a screeching stop then a bunch of kids jumping out and running up a fire escape dressed in all black and ski masks with obviously fake NERF guns. The owner of a shop across the street thought it was real, and called the cops. The school went into lockdown, a dozen+ cop cars, a SWAT team, and ambulances showed up.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            but no one would have been arrested regardless of color as long as the manager was there to explain. Wouldn’t it have been more appropriate to say, “no one called the police and 12 cop cars certainly didn’t show up because obviously no white kids could ever rob a store….sometimes it pays to be white.”?

          • Sactowns#1

            Actually, every single police agency that has spoken about this has stated this is a right wing lie. It falls into the narrative that they love (minorities are scary and irrational..eeek. Buy a gun and get tough on crime). But there’s zero evidence of connection and just thinking about it logically there’s zero connection.

          • willbest

            Sac there are dead bodies in morgues with toe-tags and dates of death you can compare. There is arrest and conviction data you can compare. Stop pretending that whatever political CYA BS that comes out of the police chiefs mouth has any relationship to what is actually happening.

            The only thing that they can say that would even be remotely intellectually honest is “At this time there is not enough evidence to PROVE that the recent spike in dead bodies is related to BLM or some other as yet unidentified reason”

          • Sactowns#1

            So there’s no evidence but you’re somehow convinced correlation equals causation. ok

          • willbest

            I said neither. And since you are incapable of rational thought on this topic, I am done with you.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            And I quote…”That isn’t to say that BLM is causing the sharp increase per se. But the political pressure they are exhibiting is causing new department procedures which are reducing arrests and increasing crime.”
            So, yeah, you did pretty much say exactly that.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            From DNAinfo:
            “In 2016….There has been a 37-percent decline in gun arrests and a 35-percent decrease in gun confiscations compared to last year, according to police data.

            Meanwhile, there have been 72 more shootings (a 218 percent increase) and 10 more murders (a 125 percent spike) than the same time period in 2015, according to police data.”
            I know that the BLM protestors are not the guys doing the violence but upon reflection and based on at least 3 discussions with police there is at least some link between the increase in shootings and the drop off in certain policing activities deemed too aggressive by the ACLU and other community groups. The murder part is just a function of how bad of a shot someone is because there have been a SHIT TON of shootings in 2016 already.
            I don’t have science to back it up and I wasn’t there at the shooting(s) but based on the information available Will may be somewhat correct to a degree.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Could be, may not be. I tend to believe BLM is a trailing indicator, not the other way around.
            But in any event, will says he didn’t say there was a causal pattern there, when he quite clearly did. He wants to do drive-by comments (thanks, Christie!) and then disavow that he made them. It’s a pattern with him when it comes to political topics.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I kind of agree on the procedural change/actual policing habits changing and a possible link to increased shootings part.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            sorry Will, the guys doing the violence don’t give a fuck about police presence, BLM, the president being black, etc. A guy got shot a block away from a police station last month. That’s like 40yards.
            Can’t blame this on BLM

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          that’s nothing mang, imagine if they were better shots or planned it better.

          • MB30SD

            Smh

      • Big Mike

        Crime, but also weather

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Let’s put it in perspective:
        “The Chicago area lost an estimated 6,263 residents in 2015 — the greatest loss of any metropolitan area in the country. That puts the region’s population at 9.5 million”
        The crime rate is an outcome of bad economic development responses and total dysfunction politically.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          you’re missing a couple of other reasons…..

      • SC Dave

        Very business unfriendly town

  • AlbertInTucson

    Justice Depart has dropped the case against Apple for unlock code.

    FBI accessed the San Bernardino Shooter’s phone without it.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Was the password: ISIS?

      • AlbertInTucson

        Open Sesame.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          SHER.

          • MB30SD

            Sher your plans with us?

            Sikh what I did there? (Hee hee)

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Isis what you did!

          • MB30SD

            Boom!

            (Get it)

    • willbest

      Apple probably just turned off iCloud for all the wives of FBI and DOJ employees and it was checkmate.

    • Sactowns#1

      They had the ability to unlock it all along, they just wanted to set a precedent. The head of the FBI is a known perjurer and he’s done it once again.

      • SC Dave

        Sounds likely.

  • I’ve heard a lot of good things about this guy, but he won’t be a Bear. They’re more than set at OG in 2016 and the next few years with Long/Slauson.

    Unless they want to do the smart thing and keep Long at OT, but then they wasted $6M on a borderline starting OT in Massie.

    Or if they want to put Slauson at C. That actually would be pretty sweet for an interior OL.

    • wow, this came off as bitchy.

      Massie signing is the only Bears move I hate this year. 1 because I don’t think he’s good and 2 because it tailed with moving their best OT inside. Which means they now have 2 borderline starting tackles and no backups there. Which scares the shit out of me.

      • That Guy

        Kyle Long is the backup. If Massie goes down, you kick Long out to RT and bring in a backup at guard (perhaps this guy).

        If Leno goes down, there is no clear backup, and that is the concern. There are definitely a lot of us who would not be upset if the Bears took a left tackle at #11.

        What I don’t know about Pace and Fox is whether they believe offensive linemen should play their natural positions or whether they favor getting the five best guys on the field. If the former, Whitehair creates a logjam at guard (assuming the team sees Long as a long term guard). Not worth the second round pick in that case.

        If the latter, we could draft Whitehair and kick Slauson to the center position with Grasu as the backup for the entire interior line. That still leaves a whole at backup left tackle, but we could bring in a vet to do that and give Leno competition.

        Still, I suspect there are some other great players that will be there in the second round that fill greater needs than Whitehair. I’d love to build a beast offensive line the way Dallas has, but I don’t know if this is the guy we use to do it.

        All of this, by the way, goes out the window if this guy is still there in the third round. At that point, he’s probably too valuable to pass up. He has some size concerns, but his floor is probably being a solid sixth lineman. That’s a good use of a third round pick.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If Massie goes down I’d push Kyle out and put Tayo in at RG. He’s done nothing wrong as a Bear. He’s young. He’s huge. He can push people backwards in a straight line. He might be susceptible to speed rushers on the outside if left at tackle. Tayo can play LT. Can’t write him off yet.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            I watched the video. not impressed at all, I don’t see why you are so excited about him.

          • Ososfan

            In the vid he looks very fast and moves his hips and feet pretty well but has no technique!

          • Ososfan

            I’m with you in the Tayo bandwagon but I believe he’ll need at least another year to even dress on game days…. Yes he’s quick and all but he’s not in top shape and needs to work on technique from what I remember…..

        • Big Mike

          Grass cannot play guard in the NFL. Massie is being overlooked here. He is better than he is being given credit for. In my opinion Long was only ok at RT last year.

      • willbest

        I know Long was thrown to the wolves last year and did a solid job at RT, but he was elite at guard.

        • last year at RT looked a lot to me like his rookie year at RG.

          Give him a full offseason with his work ethic and see what he can do.

          You can buy a much better RG for $6M than Bobbie Massie is at RT.

          I’d 1,000,000,000x rather have Long at RT with Alex Boone or Jeff Allen at RG than Massie at RT and Long at RG. And those guys got basically the same deal as Massie.

          • Ososfan

            Pace and co must have realized something with Massie, I read that Arians wanted the Oline to hold defenders for a long time so WR’s and TE’s could have time to catch bombs from Palmer and I belive that to be taxing on any O-Line in today’s NFL…… SO, Maybe Massies change in scenery and scheme could help him be more than solid RT this year……

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Massie works out with Long in the offseason and they have been reported as friends, maybe Long gave a good recommendation, maybe they are thinking that if their is a good rapport on that side of the line Massie will benefit.

          • Ososfan

            Yes sir. Anything to help that line gel will be gold. And I very strongly believe they have a plan with those guys a very solid one. Massive was the player to watch two years ago, supposedly so, I’m excited to see how he gets better. Yes been hitting the gym and training like never before from what I’ve read so that has to up the enthusiasm!

          • That’s a good point. Arians is a vertical aggressive O (kinda like Martz) that asks a lot out of their OTs.

            I’m not a huge fan of Massie, but if we’re going to be more run-oriented (Massie supposedly excels at that), and the coaches feel Massie will just be better with new coaching and better rapport with Long, then it’s an interesting experiment.

            Worst case scenario – we kick out Long to RT and get some vet OG (who are always available). Maybe we can even try that useless Romanian dude at OG and Long at RT.

            Or, Tayo at RG (who I like way better than Grassu) or RT. Lots of options.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I haven’t given up on Tayo. He did his job in pre-season. Second year on under pro-coaches …. we’ll see. But if we draft an OT in the first, it will be a good thing. Wanting to rebuild the defense is what we all want, but we can’t forget the franchise revolves around Jay Cutler. Entirely. That means we need an OT and WR out of this draft.

      • Ososfan

        I have faith in Leno and I hope we will all be surprised by Tayo….

  • That Guy

    Does the blog have an opinion of Jason Spriggs in the second round?

    Here he is taking on Joey Bosa:

    • Irish Sweetness

      That was insightful NB.

      Based on that vid, he blocks the wrong guys or tries to hold and then changes his mind and whiffs. Didn’t look like he was up against much of a pass rush at any time, nothing fancy speed wise anyway. Bosa or no. Howard is the guy you want out of that tape.

      I saw Conklin’s videos in the sidebar, watched one of those. That lead to Ronnie Stanley. Then I checked out the stats on these guys. They’re all 308-312lbs and none of them looked impressive in the run game. Know who I’d take over these three? Tayo Fabuluje. He’s got 40lbs on these dudes, and when he run-blocks guys, they just go backwards – in a straight line sometimes – but they all go backwards. He’s certainly not worse than any of these in pass pro.

      I’m going off any OT-drafting at 11. It’s got to be DE/OLB, or pulling the trigger on Elliott if he’s there. Or trading down. These tackles are not all that on further inspection.

      Maybe seeing how Leno/Tayo fare thru another year is the thing to do, and just focus on defense, with some upgrade of the offense.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      I’d be up for OT in 2nd round after addressing D in the first and maybe another FA pickup.

  • willbest

    Sitting at a cap number of 132 million, So plenty of room. Any more FA moves worthy of chew up that cap or do we perhaps look at giving Alshon the Jay Cutler like treatment and front load that bad boy.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Alshon is not even in the top 15 receivers in the NFL IMO. He’s in the bottom half of the league of #1s. Ryan Pace knows it. How much is that contract worth? The up and coming receivers like OBJr, Kelvin Benjamin and DeAndre Hopkins will be looking for their coin soon, but AJ is just not in that bracket talent wise, and Pace isn’t the kind of pussy to be drinking that milk. It’s tag and trade, or tag and see ya later when he spends half the year on the bench injured with Kevin White’s coming out party ringing in his ears.

      • willbest

        Just to give you something to ponder. When ODB goes in to negotiate his contract in 2 years the cap will be around $170-180 million and a top 5 WR can expect, and will receive a min 5-year 90 mil (18 per yr) with 50ish mil guaranteed.

        So you might look at Jeffery and say the guy isn’t worth Julio Jones money, but then Julio signed that contract last year. See Cutler.

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        Do you watch Bears games? Or the NFL?

        Go watch Alshon’s Youtube highlight reel. Seriously, go watch it. Deandre Hopkins. Fuck Deandre Hopkins.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I have no problem with Alshon being a BEar, I don’t. But when I see people say “pay him like a stud ….” he’s just a worry at that point. He is worth 10 million dollars to my team. That’s it. He could have broken down in week 4. Everything, and I mean everything broke on him last season. Something ain’t right. Anyone paying AJ 18M a year wants their head examined.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I forgot Maclin, Decker, Watkins? It could be argued that Alshon isn’t a top 20 WR in the NFL.

            If 18 million dollars is the going rate for a top 20 WR then so be it …. pay the man.
            But when he becomes your de facto #2 by week 3 …..

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Thankfully, he’s tagged. How long do we have to get him extended?

          • Irish Sweetness

            What happens if we don’t extend him? He still plays the year out, right? If he has a grta yer we can till sign him long-term or tag him again, right?

          • Scharfinator

            I don’t think you can tag the same player on consecutive years, but we could definitely make a long term offer. I think the tag was the best bet – he gets paid well and has a prove it year to show he’s worth a contract.

          • CanadaBear

            You can keep tagging him but the second year it’s the previous year’s salary + 20%. After that you tag them again but it gets really convoluted and super expensive.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Doesn’t it eventually end up being the average of the top five QBs in the league, regardless of the players position? Like you said, I know it gets outrageously pricy at some point.

          • CanadaBear

            Exactly. Top five salaries in the league, usually QB’s. There was also some fine print but I gave up reading because ain’t nobody going down that road.

          • Scharfinator

            Oooh, thanks! I did not know.

          • willbest

            The risk in 2016 is the following: IF Alshon with White out there puts up 1500 yards, 9 TDs, and 103 catches with a 60-65% catch rate you are stuck paying him $17 million a year going forward with 50% guaranteed.

          • CanadaBear

            Middle of July.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            Some of the names on your list are hilarious Irish. Brandon Cooks? Upper Decker? Come on man, you are better than that. 47 yr old Larry Fitz?

          • Big Mike

            Irish, you kill me. 🙂 You always love the guys we don’t have. Alshon, White, Wilson, Royal, Miller, Langsford, Carey are good to great weapons. They are playmakers. We need another TE, an OL and depth.

            Unless a consensus top 5 guy drops to the Bears, everything else should be defense. If you are pining for Forte, I’m going to say Langsford could be better this year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Alshon is good (but I expect he will take his holidays at some point).
            I think KW will be very good-great. Royal is a journeyman slot. I like Miller. Langford will be a weapon. I have no positive feelings on Wilson. We need another dude at WR. At least.

            I’m not really ragging on Alshon, if the cap is going up next year, and he’s healthy, then do it.

          • CanadaBear

            I just went through this list; Robinson, Baldwin, Benjamin, Landry, Cooks and Hurns all have had one good year. BFD. Benjamin missed all of 2015. Johnson is retired, Fitz is on the downside and only has a couple of years left. Possession receiver at this point in career. Hilton and Sanders are comparable to AJ but not better. So that leaves 8 guys that are arguably better (and 2-3 of those guys are close to a push), two about the same and a bunch of 1 year wonders.

      • If you extrapolate Alshon’s season, he would be just as effective as those guys.

        Is Alshon generational? Dunno. OBJ and Hopkins look like they are. Kelvin Benjamin is pretty much an Alshon clone.

        The only issue (a big one) is his inj history. In some ways he resemble Julio Jones who is alway dealing with something or other, but Jones is on another level.

        That’s why it’s difficult judging Alshon’s (fair) market value.

        I still contend he should get TY Hilton $, maybe a bit more in guarantees, but Alshon shouldn’t get Julio Jones/AJ Green/Dez Bryant $

        I admit though, no college player comes into the league and says they want to be the next Alshon, and there’s a reason for that.

        • Big Mike

          Can’t judge Alshon from last year. Playing with the JV at 2-3

      • CanadaBear

        Name 15 WR’s in the NFL better than Alshon. That list below is a joke.

        • willbest

          I will try for Irish

          The Robinson (Jax), Marshall, Hopikins, OBJ, Brown, Jones, Benjamin, Thomas, Fitz, Nelson, Bryant, White (Irish has previously declared him #1 in Chicago), Allen (in SD), Green, and then probably somebody like Mike Evans or Lockett or maybe even Arizona’s Brown or Hurns in Jax

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Nice LS&2SB reference though!

    • That Guy

      A Jeffery deal probably won’t change our cap number much even if we do front load it. If we pay him $20M this year in salary and guarantees, we still only raise the cap by about $5.5M. And there really isn’t a good reason to do the deal that way just to eat up cap. The team has the option to carry forward as much of the unused space as we want, so we can use it on next season’s FA guys if we prefer.

      I think the more likely target for a contract with the extra cash is Kyle Long. The team can pay him in 2016 in exchange for a genuinely more favorable contract over the long term. Lower annual average, lower guarantee, probably more team flexibility. I hope Pace has started that conversation, but you never know.

      • willbest

        Say the market for Jeffery is 70 mil, 5 years 35 guaranteed. What I would like to see is something like. 20, 15, 8, 11, 16. Jeffery’s stock deal probably requires a claw back in the case of retirement, which means you are going to get those affordable year 3 and 4, and if he is still productive you can take that 5th year which will be a bargain by then.

        This also makes Jeffery’s cap low in 2018 when we are making decisions on a bunch of players Fuller, Leno, Carey, Miller, Hick, Slausen, O’Donnell, Ferguson,

        • That Guy

          Well you gave him a $35M guarantee, so that’s $7M per year prorated as a cap hit. The team might front load the bonus money is roster bonuses to avoid carrying a big cap hit in later years. It’d be a funky deal to get the cap number to $8M in year three, but I suppose anything is doable.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If we pay him 20M a year I’ll swim to Chicago and shoot Pace myself.

    • Ososfan

      I think they’ll wait it out and try to have Alshon sign long-term next year. I feel they still want to see some stability from Aldhon health-wise and bite the bullet regarding paying him a little more next year.

      • Big Mike

        You know they can carry it forward. This group is patient.

        • Ososfan

          Yea, and I have no problem with that Big Mike. The salary cap will increase a bit and so will AJ’s contract, probably. Maybe even heavily incentive.

          • Big Mike

            I’m not against using it up to front load a guy’s contract. That gives you cap relief down the line. Also money up front in the form of bonus, generally puts a team extending a guy in the driver’s seat as far as getting a “good price”.

            I just wanted to make two points. 1) Pox no this is not the “all in” year 2) Pox has a plan.

          • Ososfan

            Whatever helps ease up cap hits I’m for. I agree about the two points approach with as much info and calculation as possible.

      • Irish Sweetness

        This.
        I want him on the team, but not signed long-term until next year, if at all.

  • Ososfan

    Best quote of the year: “Ditka only lost the world chess championship because he didn’t participate so he could go to the two-for-one buffet at the sausage store.”

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014/03/18/former-seattle-seahawks-player-john-moffitt-on-his-drug-battery-arrest-dumb-mistake/

    Four years ago, this guy came off that same line with Carimi. Everyone here was sure this guy was gonna be a badass. He wasn’t.

    OL is a tough sell. Hated to see Montgomery break his leg in two places, it meant he was probably done done. Trench warfare is no place for the faint of heart.

  • That Guy

    Recent draft on Walter Football by Charlie Campbell:

    1 – DeForest Bruckner, DT
    2 – Jason Spriggs, OT
    3 – Sean Davis, CB (I might have gone Carl Nassib here)
    4 – Jerell Adams, TE
    4 – Kenyon Drake, RB (a depth guy, but that’s all we need at RB right?)
    5 – Nate Sudfield, QB

    Other than Sudfield, I see this as almost exactly the draft I’d do myself. We get a decent corner, a couple of solid additions to the lines, a great value TE in Adams and some RB depth. My biggest gripe is just that we didn’t take a safety. I’d probably have skipped Drake or Sudfield in favor of a second DB. Still, this is the kind of draft I’m looking for. And we still have three more picks after this.

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      The proverbial Bears 5th round QB.

      • That Guy

        Or anyone’s 5th round QB other than New England.

    • MB30SD

      Don’t we have 11 picks nb…or do some of these assume moves up purchased with those extras

      • Big Mike

        We have 9. I just think he didn’t finish 6th and 7th my opinion is that that late in the draft there are 5 of every type of guy left. Just need to make an educated guess and trust your board.

        • MB30SD

          Pretty sure we now gave 11, after the Bennett trade. Right?

          • Big Mike

            We’re both wrong. It’s 10. We picked up their 4th and swapped our 6th for their 6th.

          • MB30SD

            Ah. I’ll take 10.

          • Big Mike

            I was right originally. It’s 9. Not sure how that worked out. I thought we had 9 to start and picked up 1 with the Bennet trade. But here are the Bears Pick numbers. Round and overall number included.
            Round 1 -11
            Round 2 – 41
            Round 3 – 72
            Round 4 – 106
            Round 4 – 127
            Round 5 – 150
            Round 6 – 185
            Round 6 – 206
            Round 7 – 230

          • Irish Sweetness

            What does Kevin Costner get for our 5th,6th,6th, and 7th? A 4th and a higher 5th?

          • Big Mike

            Kevin Costner gets Ezekiel Elliot AND Deforest Buckner. But I’m not sure what Pox gets 🙂

          • Irish Sweetness

            Aw yeah, I forgot ….

          • He would trade Cutler. Then trade up for Wentz. Then Trade Wentz and Alshon to the Texans for Watt, Hopkins, Clowney, a 1st this year and next year.
            Then he signs Ryan Fitz and nabs Garrapolo for a 2nd.

            At which point some moderately businessy cute chick walks into office and proclaims him a geru.

          • That Guy

            We gave up our third sixth and got a fourth in the Bennett trade. So we moved up like 80 spots, but didn’t get an extra pick.

          • Big Mike

            Thanks for clarification

      • That Guy

        That draft (not mine) assumes no trades.

        We have a first, second and third. We have our fourth and another from the Pats for Bennett. We have one fifth and two sixths (we gave our third sixth to the Pats in the same trade). And we have one seventh.

        • MB30SD

          Thanks nb. Hope the fam is well.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      3rd round needs to be a slow white safety.

      • Big Mike

        Shhhhhhhhhh

      • Scharfinator

        The ghost of Emery.

        • Ribeyes for Operators

          The Glass Collarbone legislation.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I escared…

    • This makes sense, and I’m trying to resist the urge of saying “too much sense for Bears GM”, but I’ll try not to stay cynical.

      I just got a feeling that we’re gonna draft a HB sooner than we all expect, and some project QB in the 5th, and like a WR that’s gonna leave us going, ‘what?’

      Hope I’m wrong.

      I don’t see any need for another project QB when we already have one.

      Gotta check out Adams at TE. Those are always 2 year investments, so gotta make sure we don’t miss on that if we do draft one in the 4rth or sooner lest we want another Kellen Davis.

      I’d be thrilled with Brucker. Could be Aldon Smith, or at worst, Justin Smith.

      • CanadaBear

        Actually the Bears have two project QB’s; Fales and Blanchard.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I don’t see why we would draft Drake. Senorise Perry is 6’1 and 210 too. I don’t get it. A guy like Howard could be had in the 4th and he’s 6’0 and 230lbs. 230 is minimum when looking fgor a banger. Kind of what they were looking at with CJA who is 5’8 225lbs.

      If we draft a QB like Dan LeFevour/Nate Sudfield in the 5th I’m coughing up a nut. You’re basically wasting a pick.

      • Big Mike

        Defense Irish. Defense.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      I saw a mock with us taking crazy Ndemkiche with our 2nd round pick. He looks like a video game character but his numbers don’t support it. Maybe he’ll hit his stride when a strong organization takes a risk on him and gives him additional support.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Ehhhh, he has “naked fast food run” in his future.

  • Bender McLugh

    Did you see? They rescued Tom Brady from being caught up in power lines in Greece.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/goat-powerlines-greece-video_us_56fa32c2e4b0a372181ae02d

  • Big Mike

    Remember Nate Boyer. He was the guy who walked on at the age of like 27 at the University of Texas after two tours of duty overseas. He went on to become the Long Snapper and flag carrier for UT home games… then he tried out for Seahawks. I ran across this podcast titled “Earned Americanism” Damn…

    http://www1.play.it/audio/life-matters-with-john-st-augustine/

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
    • Ribeyes for Operators

      They know that, even if Trump wins, he will nominate some bozo from Jersey who helped him shake some casino licenses and not a real judge.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I heard he submitted some top-10 list as a bone to the “establishment” but nothing new in the last few weeks.
        I guess the chess move of submitting a moderate, well-regarded judge is playing out the way it was calculated to.
        1) puts pressure on at-risk incumbent Senators to appear to be giving him a listen
        2) puts pressure on Reps generally as the prospect of winning the Presidency becomes more remote, since a Clinton/Sanders nominee will surely be a bone to the progressive wing of the Democratic party

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Or hell, maybe they are just realizing that it’s helpful when the Supreme Court doesn’t just boot decisions for an entire year.

        • willbest

          Mark Kirk is toast in IL so I honestly don’t know why he went limp on this issue. They are running Tammy Duckworth, who is demonstrably incompetent or corrupt considering what went down at the VA while she was there, but has a good personal story as Iraq war vet amputee. And while they don’t have the money to fire up the Chicago machine during non-presidential years allowing for people like Rauner and Kirk to sneak through its game over when the White House is at stake.

          • That Guy

            Its a shame really. Durbin and Kirk both strike me as decent senators that stay above a lot of the dirty Illinois politics.

          • willbest

            I suspect every single Senator has two or three closets full of bodies, and I am pretty sure it is a requirement in IL.

      • Big Mike

        Sara Palin with be on the Supreme Court, or running State. SMH

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          That would HAVE to be televised. SoS would be…just smh.

          • willbest

            They don’t allow video in the SC, but they have at least started releasing audio of oral arguments day of.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I would subscribe to that podcast.

      • willbest

        FWIW, the names he threw out were red meat to the Federalist Society. Then again Bush promised some strong strict constructionalists and we ended up with FedGov rubber stamping Roberts and Hariet Myers before the base revolted.

  • Ribeyes for Operators
    • Irish Sweetness

      Sounds like he would have been one of the guys going over the wire into Cambodia. ‘Blackfoot is missing’ by William F Owen is a great book about those missions. Proper gunfighters. Hats off to those guys, they were tough men.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      ha, I don’t shed tears for it. I just try to be better.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Lest we demonize Goodell and his front office stooges too much, we do need to remember that they are merely lackeys of the cabal – and the Cabal wants all this talk about CTE to end:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/index.ssf/2016/03/nfl_owners_push_back_hard_agai.html

    It’s bad for business.

    • Bender McLugh

      you’d think players retiring early would be bad for business……….but of course it’s not, too many others in the pipe waiting for their shot.

    • willbest

      Well I consume the product, and have no intention of grabbing a picket sign to stand with the players, so I agree with the owners via my own indifference.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Trump’s campaign manager just got popped for battery, so there’s that. Given the nature of the campaign so far, I’m assuming it makes absolutely no difference unless Trump doesn’t cut him loose today.

    • willbest
      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        You’re right, that is incidental.
        As a reporter at a campaign event though, I suppose there’s some unwritten expectation that the campaign manager isn’t going to lay hands on you, much less grab you hard enough to leave bruising while yanking you out of the way.
        You going to be contrarian enough to defend this guy for being a hothead douche?

        • Johnnywad

          Minimal as it looks on camera, it absolutely 100% can’t happen. If Trump expects to be taken seriously by anybody not already mesmerized, he has to fire that piece of shit. If he’s willing to grab a woman’s arm like that in public, in a crowded room, I’m sure he’s done worse.

        • DaMurph

          Gotta say from experience, doesnt take much pressure for some people to bruise.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            no one wants to know what kinky shit you’re into Murph.

          • DaMurph

            Then just keep it under your hat Johnny

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hey now, let’s at lest hear the guy out …

            .. go on, Murph ….

      • Trac

        A congressional investigation must go forward before any conclusions are made. Pip pip.

    • Sactowns#1

      I doubt it will make much of a difference either way. His supporters don’t seem to care much for truth and facts so who cares if the guy lied about grabbing that ladies arm?

      • Johnnywad

        The guy looks like a guy that would do that. His face screams aggressive douche. Looks like he grabbed her in the video. Case closed.

        But should a staffer grabbing a reporter by the arm really impact a presidential election? I don’t like Trump, but I would not hang this on him unless he retains the guy.

        And as far as truth and facts go, when was the last time that played a part in any election? These people all lie. Every damn one of them. Even your guy Bernie. Bunch of Lying Lyertons.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Like I said, I don’t think it changes much UNLESS he holds on to him. The net impact of this coming out was that it killed the Scott Brown endorsement announcement in the media. Even when it’s a negative story, he just sucks the air out of the room for Cruz.

          • Johnnywad

            Agree completely.

      • Trac

        This is divorce court here say but I think this is concerning if true.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-the-comeback-huckster/2011/04/18/AFtvej0D_story.html

        Back in 1990, Ivana Trump told her divorce lawyer Michael Kennedy that “from time to time, her husband [Donald Trump] reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, ‘My New Order,’ which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed.”

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-the-comeback-huckster/2011/04/18/AFtvej0D_story.html

        Back in 1990, Ivana Trump told her divorce lawyer Michael Kennedy that “from time to time, her husband [Donald Trump] reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, ‘My New Order,’ which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed.”

        • willbest

          Yeah, well they throw everything they can think of you in divorce court. So lets suppose Trump has read “My New Order” and that while he was currently reading he kept it in his bedroom. What of it?

          I have read Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, De Gaulle, Roosevelt, and probably 100 other historical figures at this point. I also put the book(s) I am currently reading on my night stand. And my bookshelf with 50% of the books in my house is in our bedroom.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Yeah, I gotta say, of all the conceivable opposition dirt that they have on Trump already, that doesn’t stand out. Where he will get hammered is on his business record and on his relationships, marriages or otherwise.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            we’re in a weird point in this country where an ex Trump Super Pac / Campaign Manager type is stating very clearly that this wasn’t even supposed to be a real campaign and yet people still are showing up for him. No positions, no experience, no beliefs, no consistency, no answering of questions, nothing. It’s baffling how Kasich and even Jeb Bush can be ignored in favor of this cartoon.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            This. And he wasn’t the only one! Carson pretty obviously wasn’t -really- making a run at it, yet he was the frontrunner for about a month.
            Of course, the same sh*t happened with Herman Cain last cycle too.
            We have achieved mass media/political convergence.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I told the wife that if we can pay off the house this year we’re fucking moving to the Caribbean. I can work from home and use my gold AK to protect the family from pirates. I mean, if we live at the top of the hill what are the odds of dying by hurricane?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Higher than normal, but hey, the beaches!

          • Irish Sweetness

            SE Asia man. If you have 200 or 300K USD you and the family can retire in paradise. I use ‘paradise’ in its broadest possible meaning, but you get my point.

          • willbest

            What the dems did it in 2008, and you somehow thing the GOP would be immune to it too?

            As for Jeb and Kasich they are promising you the exact same thing that has been going on for the last 16 years and its obvious that isn’t working.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            on Foreign policy alone Trump should be kicked out of the race. I like having international friends with nukes and even a sliver of respect for us.

          • Trac

            This current global economy/banking system all revolves around oil. China is rumored to be 50 Trillion dollars in debt. Their economy is in trouble and when the mounting oil surplus floating around on ships can no longer be sustained, it’s gonna be a war of huge proportions. China has been keeping the oil industry afloat and trust me, when the oil surplus becomes too great, it ain’t gonna be pretty.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            That number is twice as big as the biggest combined public/private number I saw.

          • Trac

            It’s estimated China built 20 ghost cities and the 50 Trillion may be the high estimate but the shit is going to hit the fan eventually.

          • Irish Sweetness

            A culture that’s 5000 years old has worked a few things out, Trac.
            A nation that is owned by private banks is facing a much quicker death.

          • Trac

            You don’t think the Banking system hasn’t gotten their hooks into China? War my man, it’s a comin.

          • Trac
          • Irish Sweetness

            China’s not going anywhere Trac. They’ve been around a LOT longer than the USA, and they’ll be there a long time after it goes the way of the Romans. Longevity is just what they do.

            The USA is 20 trillion in debt and half of that happened in a year or two. The Fed is a ponzi scheme, so that only gets worse. A cartel of private banks own everything as collateral on a loan made 80 years ago. The economy is beyond fucked, it’s designed to milk its citizens of their wealth. China is built to last.

            Here’s what Americans in America don’t see, or choose not to.

            If the world is a very old university, the USA is like the loud jock frat-boy that runs around drunk, doing all the drugs and trying to fuck everything and fight with everybody. And right now his muscles are bigger than anyone else’s, but everyone watching him knows that one morning they’re going to wake up to hear that he drove his car into a tree the night before, and that will be that. Everyone sees it except him.

          • Trac

            Babylon the great? You are deceived because you have exchanged the truth for a lie. You see some of the worldwide deception but because the lie is so great you are unable to comprehend it. Satan is the god of this world, it’s his, all of it.

          • Dale701

            Evidence of Satan? None
            World banking system? Everywhere

            2nd Samuel 24-1 vs 1st Chronicles 21-1
            Who is running the world, I am confused!

          • Trac

            Go to Washington with your eyes open and look at all the occultic statues, quotes and imagery throughout the capitol. Washington D.C.? Columbia is the Whore or Babylon and the queen of heaven according to the freemason’s and the occult world. The preamble from the constitution was taken almost word for word from the preamble of the free mason’s preamble. Every President is related and has a family tree that can be traced to an English King and the Royal Family with the exception of Martin Van Buren(they’re all related, even Obama). Columbia was Nimrod’s half sister, mother and wife. Wake up my man. Nimrod was Apollo, Apollo was Zeus’s son. Zeus was a depiction of Satan. The Dollar bill is covered in pagan imagery and quotes. E plurabus unim(out of many comes one) is a reference to the offspring of Columbia. The dollar is an occultic talisman that has corrupted the whole world. Like I said, people cannot comprehend the light because their minds have been darkened. The world has been lied to for centuries by the Catholic Church, Religions and the prince of this world, satan, but there is a way out, it’s the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse
          • willbest

            Here is what I know, Obama proposed no significant legislation in either the IL or US Senate, talked about nominating him as the beginning of the world healing, won the Nobel Peace Prize for being Awesome, and spends more time talking about himself (I, me, my speech analysis) than every modern political candidate except Trump.

            We have apparently become a nation that likes a good narrative without a whole lot of substance backing it up. Obama’s 2004 keynote speech at the Dem Convention that launched his national political career was so devoid of anything that it could have been given at the GOP convention that same year.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            You literally have no idea what his US Senate record was, that is abundantly clear.

          • willbest
          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            You had a point in that link somewhere? He was about as active from a cosponsorship and committee membership perspective as you are going to see a first term junior Senator be. and yet you compare him to the pizza cartoon, the neurosurgeon, and the real estate grifter that have each been front runners for the Republican party. Each one of them had about a 3rd grade comprehension of US civics much less foreign policy. Talk about intellectually dishonest.

          • Trac

            Obama was propped up to soften up America for the kill. After the next world crisis, America is going to be over run with displaced Europeans, Asians and Middle Easterners. This is my theory anywhose. It’s not that I have a problem with accepting refugee ‘ s that are vetted, I just have a problem with a future crisis being orchestrated. After that, we go full borg.

          • willbest

            What is intellectually dishonest is your moving target. You said I didn’t know his US Senate career, now you are correctly backing up my point that he didn’t do anything with those 2.5 years (going to remove the 1.5 he was running for President cause that was probably two full time jobs).

            Anyway, nothing in the decade prior to him being a President in any way shape or form prepared him for the job. He tapped into the raw emotional mood of the country (perhaps even the World given his Peace Prize for getting elected) and road it into the White House.

            But if it makes you feel better the FedGov is far and away too big with too many responsibilities for anybody to be remotely competent at the job, and the US Constitution has a frightfully low bar on who it says is qualified.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            You obviously didn’t, since your statement was he did nothing, proposed nothing, and compared him to the band of merry know-nothings that the GOP has managed to trot out the last three presidential elections, albeit Palin was just an ignoramus VP pick.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            And it’s ‘rode’.

          • willbest

            Please quote precisely where I said he did nothing as a US senator or apologize.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            “He didn’t do anything with those 2.5 years”, “proposed no significant legislation”…for starters. Want to trace back your line of reasoning all the way through the thread or are two direct quotes sufficient?

          • Irish Sweetness

            You’re supposed to drop the mic after that ….

          • willbest

            Outstanding, you quoted “proposed no SIGNIFICANT legislation” and the other quote is in the context of rebutting your unsubstantiated claim that I was dishonest in relationship to this. So you summarized me incorrectly so you could brush off my argument.

            I get that you like the guy, and I will readily admit that based on the ravings of McCain since Obama was the best choice available in 2008, but the only noteworthy accomplishment he had prior to being elected President was defeating the Clinton Machine under rules created by the Clinton Machine. If he had more than that you would have listed them rather than just call me a liar.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s wonderful that Jeb Bush is being ignored. Thank heavens for small mercies.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Does a guy on his third marriage get elected? Can a man on his third marriage get elected?

            Her husband stuck a cigar up an intern’s twat in the oval office and she stood by him. America loves a loyal dog.

            The clusterfuck that is the enslavement of the American people was at boiling point after George W Bush. To avoid a revolution, the powers that be threw up an unknown milk chocolate President (albeit one that was sucking at Wall Street’s teat). For their next trick, they’ll put a woman in the White house – a lying, conninving, CFR/Bilderberger chameleonic cunt at that – but a woman will be next. Book it.

            In four to eight years it will be a black, lesbian dwarf in a wheelchair. I shit you not.

          • Trac

            Is it a coincidence that Trumps mixing nationalism with people’s displeasure of our govt.? Not saying Trumps plans fall in line with Hitler’s at all but I can see the political tactics being used here to garner popular support. If Trump does get elected, it’s because the other candidates suck eggs.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Patty Duke. Gone at 69.

    Sepsis from a ruptured intestine.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      that sucks. How do you rupture an intestine?

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I dunno but that is a horrible way to go.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Bloodstream infection that starts to shut down organs.

          Shudder.

      • Johnnywad

        It can happen due to a number of diseases of the digestive tract.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          I would really like to avoid any of those if at all possible.

      • DaMurph

        Xtra onions on your White Castles

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          that is correct sir! I had them Saturday morning to soak up the rum in my system. Worked like a charm!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Ehhh .. so I’ll just come out and ask.

      Has anyone on here had an inguinal hernia for more than a couple of years?

  • willbest

    So being a horrible dad and not taking the kids any place for spring break I lined up all the doctor, dentist, eyes, orthodontist appointments and as I am death marching through the day my middle child requests White Castle and reflecting on how reasonable they have been I relent. That stuff is as awful as I remember, yet is apparent crack to children since I had one kid volunteer his allowance to go there again.

    • Johnnywad

      Stay close to the bathroom.

    • MB30SD

      Hahahaha, gee dad what a great fucking spring break. Hahahahhaa will, that’s fucked up maings.

      Good for you on the wc, they’re kids, it’s not really toxic once in a while when they’re young. Besides, we’ll ALL be dead in the zombie apocalypse by the time it would effect their longterm health

      • willbest

        Taking them to the zoo tomorrow I think, and a Cubs game in a couple weeks. We aren’t overly strict on the fast food, once or twice a month. Although its weekly if you include pizza.

        Speaking of Zombies, the wife and I just started Walking Dead a few weeks ago. Behind the times and all

        • MB30SD

          Nice. I knew you weren’t the grinch!

          I hate zombies man, shady will tell you

        • Irish Sweetness

          It’s slow, but good. I like that the zombies in the show are not the real danger. Other people are.

          Really enjoying the People vs OJ right now. I never realised the real spectacle was behind the scenes on that thing. Latest episode is the Mark Fuhrman one. To this day I remember hearing the word ‘nigger’ in court. But in reality, Ito only allowed 12 words from 12 hours of tape to be admitted to the court, just enough to nail him for perjury. Fuhrman also directly alleged that Ito’s wife – the highest ranking female in the LAPD – was a cocksucker, and not just of Ito’s.

          • willbest

            I recall being in high school during lunch when the verdict came in and apparently people were very interested in this so they had walkmen or maybe even a boombox. All of a sudden half the cafeteria erupted with applause.

    • Sactowns#1

      I tried em while I was out there and wasn’t a fan. The chicken ones were ok but the cheeseburger ones surprisingly taste just like the ones you get in the freezer section and microwave at home.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Sac –

    The knock on Bernie is that he would lose to Trump. If Larry David is doing a spot-on impersonation of you, can you win a general election?

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clinton-for-president-20160323

    • Sactowns#1

      Ha! Every single poll has shown Bernie outperforming Hillary against all GOP candidates. Look at the numbers for Hillary vs Kasich. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

      • willbest

        There is no way in hell Kasich beats Hillary.

        • Sactowns#1

          He’s their best candidate by a long shot. It’s him, then snake handling Grandpa Munster and Psycho Scrooge in a tie for last.

          • willbest

            Here is why I think the polls are bogus with respects to Kasich.

            1) Disaffected Dems are allowed to be nostalgic about a GOP candidate running to the left of Bill Clinton when they know they won’t have to make that decision (see Huntsmen)

            2) He hasn’t been the target of any serious negative campaigns or really defined by anything other than the “nice” moderate.

            Other factors to consider

            3) There is zero GOP enthusiasm for the guy outside of the neo-cons and GOP donor class.

            4) Sadly we don’t have any poll numbers from H2H in FL that are remotely current but he got absolutely crushed in the GOP primary there (about 3 times the votes as Jeb did and he had dropped out). Which at least credibly supports Hillary nut punching him down there in the General.

            I get that he wins Ohio, but his good h2h numbers in MI and PA (which he will need if he isn’t winning FL) aren’t high enough at this point that they couldn’t be overcome with some good ole fashion Dem GOTV.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Yes.

    • Trac

      Doesn’t it depend on which candidate is closer to being a 33rd degree mason?

      • willbest

        Do they let the Jews join?

        • Trac

          That’s what I’m sayin cause I know a lot of these bozo ‘ s are free masons. I know trump is.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Trolling or not, that is 100% correct.

        I know Hilary is on the CFR and she’s a Bilderberger … is Trump though? If the answer is no, he can’t win.

    • willbest

      This was a pretty big puff piece. It didn’t knock Clinton on Libya. Obama’s surrogates are trying to pin that mess on her “persuasiveness” winning out against his reservations. It doesn’t mention the ongoing investigations by the FBI and NSA. Her attacks on the women accusing Bill Clinton of rape, her callous indifference with regards to Benghazi. The $40+ million funneled into Clinton Foundation from foreign governments while she was Sec. of State.

      The real question with Bernie is, will the minorities show up and vote for him, because he has done nothing to inspire them away from Clinton, and if they are generally repulsed by him rather than just expressing a preference for Clinton then they won’t show up to vote GOP, but they might not show up. which has Senate ramifications.

  • 505Bears

    Some mocks have Jalen Ramsey dropping to around 5 – 7. Do the Bears have enough desire/assets (picks) to move up to grab him? Most of the guys they are projecting at 11 to the Bears are “eh” type of players. Assuming Buckner, Stanley, etc. are not there, do they try to move up and snag this guy?

    • That Guy

      Moving from 11 to 7 would take a third round pick. That’s doable. Moving to #5 would take probably our second rounder. That’s not worth the price of admission.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        If he were there at 7, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

        • willbest

          But will the 9ers

          • That Guy

            I think the Niners are the best target really.

            Philly traded UP to #8; they’re not trading down, but they might have a QB they’re targetting.

            Tampa Bay is already #9, needs help at DB, and won’t be high enough.

            Jacksonville and Baltimore might trade down… but at 5 and 6 they’d want more than a third.

            I think my max would be to give Baltimore a third plus a fifth to move up and take Ramsey or Tunsil if either happened to still be around. But that’d be a remarkable draft if it happened.

            You’d need to see Tennessee trade out of the top 5 with a QB needy team. Cleveland to take the #2 QB. Then either San Diego or Dallas to take someone else (maybe Dallas takes Bosa). And maybe one more team trades into the top 5 for a QB.

          • That Guy

            So maybe that draft goes:

            1 – Rams (for like 2 first round picks and a player) take Wentz
            2 – Browns take Goff
            3 – Chargers take Ellliot (he’s going to get taken somewhere in the top 10)
            4 – Cowboys take Bosa
            5 – Jaguars take Jack
            6 – Bears trade up for Ramsey or Tunsil

            But that would be a very very strange draft

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Titans said they want a kings ransom for the first pick.

          • That Guy

            No I agree its unlikely. The more likely outcome is that the Titans take Tunsil. That allows Ramsay to fall. The Browns would go QB and the Chargers, having missed their preferred guy, might trade down to #8 to allow the Eagles to move up for the second QB.

            So that would be
            1 – Titans – Tunsil
            2 – Browns – Wentz/Goff
            3 – Eagles – Goff/Wentz
            4 – Cowboys – Bosa
            5 – Jaguars – Jack
            6 – Bears trade up for Ramsay.

            I don’t see a similar scenario where the top left tackle would still be on the board.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Make it happen! I want Ramsey in my life.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            If you really want to get worked up, watch his pro-day drills. Unbelievably fluid in motion, and looks like a grown man out there. Big rangy dude. Would be an elite safety.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Because there’s a BIG dropoff form first OT to second and the rest…..

          • That would be like a sign of the armaggodn.

            It would be ironic after the Rams trade raped the Skins that they would then do the same to move up.

            Chargers just drafted a HB in the first rd last yr.

            I don’t think any team in the history of the NFL ever drafted 1st rd HBs back to back.
            Though that would be an interesting trivia question.

            Plus, the Chargers are REELING at Oline. Ole man Rivers gets killed every sun. They can only dream of Tunsil.

            The other ones seem reasonable.

            I’ll be very interested to see if the Cowboys pass on Bosa. If they do, Bosa might fall more than ppl think.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I’m baffled at the projections of anything other than o-line to the chargers but maybe they wanna get sexy for their move.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They also pooched on that that HB. Zeke is Blue Chip.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Can’t see a player in this draft worth screwing your draft over.

            But there are 2 special running backs and a very tall linebacker to be had. Certainly one and potentially two of whom we could draft.

    • Ramsey is NOT dropping beyond 4rth pick, IMO.

      1 will be Stanley or Ramsey
      2 a QB (browns)
      3 Stanley or Ramsey (or maybe Bosa)
      4. Def Ramsey if not already chosen

      I guess a WC is Jack before Ramsey, but I really don’t see it.

      • That Guy

        I think you mean Tunsil rather than Stanley.

        And I agree… those two are the clearest elite picks in the draft.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene
        • willbest

          You think that causes him to fall much?

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Thornton (Jack’s Agent) said Jack was “85-90 percent” right now…”

            Well, he and his client need to put their heads together and get their stories straight because Jack gave an interview around the time of the combine in which he declared himself 100% and that he would have gone to the combine if it were up to him.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            past crazy Jerra? Probably not but if Ramsey is gone and Jack is available at 7 or 8 and we can talk to a team that doesn’t need a QB we could get him. I just think Fangio could use him in so many creative ways.

          • I’m not entirely sure if the Boys get him. I know lots of ppl mock him there, but if he goes to the boys, he becomes an instant PB WILL.

            But is Briggs worth a top 5 pick?

            That’s why I keep saying Jack might fall to us.

            He’s undersized.
            Inj concern
            True position?

            4-3 teams won’t use him as a hybrid. They’ll stick him at WILL, but which team is gonna use a top 10 on a will?

            Jack offers more to 3-4 teams where he can roam around more creatively.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            bears bone starting to stiffen again.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Why do we want an under-sized player though? A freak like Leonard gives us options. Small guys can get pushed around.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            The safety-linebacker positions are merging, sort of like the WR-TE hybrids that have become so popular lately.

        • Trac

          I’d roll the dice at the shot of drafting a Bo Jackson of defense type player. I had given up hope of him being there for us at 11 but the twinkle has now returned to my eye.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Ike Taylor has Wentz falling all the way out of the first round, Ramsey falling all the way to 9, and Howard going at 8, Darron Lee falling to the second round, and the Chargers taking a DE at 3rd.
    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/mock-drafts/ike-taylor/305658
    Put down the pipe.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      I suppose the Chargers going DE isn’t a reach, but his rationale for it was stupid.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene
      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Selfishly hoping that causes him to drop to us.

      • Trac

        Jess please.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      And he has Jaylon Smith going mid-late first round.
      Eh, I don’t think so.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        can’t see him going in the first round…not with that knee. I’d pick him in a heartbeat in the 2nd. Redshirt him. Could a team sit him for a half year and bring him in the second half of the season?

        • Might not be ready till 2 years from now, and some concern he never fully recovers at all.
          The whole point of drafting now is getting them for cheap. So essentially, he’d mitigate that while adding inj concern.

          I would have reservations about even drafting him in the 2nd. But I’m no doctor.
          Only play one on tv

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            you have shrunk my bears bone a little

          • It’s kinda sad. I think the reason we went so aggressively at ILB was due to our doctor’s checking out Jaylon Smith and perhaps redflagging him.

            Some point to Gurley as a comeback story.
            But There’s also Marcus Lattimore, and he went in the 4rth after the 9ers redshirted him for 2 yrs and is now out of the NFL

            Hope Smith recovers, but that’s a fucked up way to go out.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            agreed. He will collect a couple mil from his insurance policy but the kid wants to play football. Dumb bowl game. He was a force of nature.

          • CanadaBear

            Unless it was late in the draft, it’s tough to make that pick if you’re the Bears. Langford and Amos were 4 and 5 so POX can draft late. if it’s JA or PE I wouldn’t have cared if they took him in the first. In the end you knew they would fuck it up.

        • AlbertInTucson

          The Bears are not in a position to roll the dice on picks with pre-existing serious injury questions.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            what if he’s the next derrick thomas?

          • AlbertInTucson

            You KNOW it never works that way for the Bears. For them, he’d turn out to be the next Chris Williams.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Fair enough

    • That Guy

      The mock isn’t ridiculous (though it is unlikely):

      1 – Tunsil (not controversial at all)
      2- Goff (there are those who think he’s better than Wentz and there was the 2013 NFL draft that showed teams can sometimes be disciplined about overdrafting)
      3 – Buckner (the consensus top DT, and you can’t argue taking a big guy high. Though its unusual to go DT this high rather than DE so I would expect Bosa here. Plus the Chargers desperately need O-line help and might trade down if Tunsil is gone)
      4 – Elliott (a Jerry Jones kinda pick and the Cowboys miss DeMarco Murray)
      5 – Myles Jack (a blog favorite, and the Jags need a linebacker, though I might favor Ramsey)
      6 – Hargreaves (not uncommon to see a corner in the top 8, and many see Ramsey as more of a safety and Hargreaves as a polished true corner)
      7- Treadwell (top WR, again can’t argue)
      8 – Jordam Howard (this is a silly pick, Howard isn’t worth a top 10 pick and the Eagles would more likely take a QB here especially since they traded up, this is probably where Wentz would go)
      9 – Ramsey (for sure)
      10 – Will Fuller (Seems to me the Giants would take Jack, but Fuller is a great compliment to Beckham and the Giants just hired their OC to be the coach)
      11 – Bosa (he could fall to or even past Chicago given concerns about his attitude and character, high ceiling, but high risk factor with this one)

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I don’t have a huge problem with the top 5 with the possible exception of Buckner to the Chargers… But it goes haywire from there. Hargreave before Ramsey? Howard at 8? The 9ers taking a guy who ran a 4.67 forty in 7th? I submit that is bananas, especially with Wentz still there.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Doesn’t Buckner become a DE for us? His size suggests DE.

  • I’d be VERY interested in trading for D’Anthony Thomas.

    Just like Mariani, except he’s black, explosive and dangerous. On top of being an excellent returner, we might be able to use him as a gadget RB/WR. Imagine him and White doing some crazy option shit?

    Chiefs GM John Dorsey said he hasn’t had any trade discussions with the 49ers about gadget player De’Anthony Thomas.

    Thomas rumors started percolating three weeks ago, but there hasn’t been much to them since. Even were Dorsey having talks, he would never admit so publicly. A gadget player and return specialist whoplayed for the 49ers’ Chip Kelly at Oregon, Thomas could end up gettingflipped for a day-three pick on draft weekend. – roto

    I’d say something like a 5th if no other prospects are better than him on the board.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Or we could draft Wendall Williams and his 4.19 in the 6th ….or 7th.

  • Cormonster

    David Gilmour performing Wish You Were Here last night on JImmy Kimmel.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    What do teams traditionally have to give up to gain an additional 2nd round pick in the 20 range?

    • That Guy

      For us to move up from the third round to that range we could probably give up our fourth rounder or maybe the fourth rounder we got from the Pats plus, depending on the size of the jump, another third day pick or swap.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        I’d move into the 2nd round for that. End up with 2 Defensive guys and an OL or TE

        • Irish Sweetness

          Wasn’t Danny Trevathan a 6th round pick?

          I mentioned packaging our lower picks into a higher pick, but as long as Pace is batting 1.000 then I’ll trust his picks.

          The Richard Dent factor.

  • EnderWiggin

    Wait. New Thread? Old Thread? Pat yourself on the back thread?

  • Doc Nitty

    Well done Jefe.

  • Bender McLugh

    Put him at Center. Kreutz 2.0

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Fuck this guy. Right in the piehole.

    • Big Mike

      What is your drink of choice for an event like this

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Nothing yet but I’m starting when I get home, that’s for sure

        • Doc Nitty

          Ethanol?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Preferably.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Jet fuel

        • Big Mike

          awesome

  • bearfaninde

    Good job Jeff…Thoughts on where he was drafted?

  • jab

    Crazy reach unless they’re trading Slauson. I don’t get the picks so far. So disappointed.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      What picks?

  • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

    Nice pick, I’d prefer Bullard but they’ll move Slauson to center

    • beninnorcal

      And there ya go

      • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

        He was projected to 2round. A BEAST against the run.

  • jab

    Maybe Pace will keep trading back so he has 10 7th rounders. I don’t get the trading back.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Maybe Chicago wants to walk on try outs for the city? Keep guys off the streets?

  • Big Mike

    Ryan, you got some splaining to do

    • jab

      I’m so glad he killed it in free agency. Otherwise I’d be calling for his head. I don’t get the trade backs with the talent that was on the board.

      • Big Mike

        This could all work out. I really like Floyd. Whitehair is a brain twister. I like the player tremendously. He’s nasty, athletic strong as heck. But we have 2 of those.

  • Shady

    FWIW Whitehair more than held his own against Ogbah last season:

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/cody-whitehair-vs-oklahoma-state-2015/

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Ogbah blows one legged goats though.

      • Shady

        Ogblow? (baaaaaaah)

  • Captain Obvious

    Fuck. Run on DEs, again. Looks like DB would be a better choice… if 11 hadn’t already been taken. Shit.

  • DaMurph

    Connor Cook? LaRaven Clark? who is it?? Dont say anything Mike!

    • Big Mike

      See how good I was. I feel bad about that. I didn’t know we weren’t trying to post asap

      • DaMurph

        ESPN a;ways had a commercial right when our pick was coming and then 3 minutes later showed the pick, but twitter knew by then. You would think the network knowing its in Chicago would have times their commercials better.

  • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

    Bullard??

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      Yes!!!

    • jab

      Great pick. Finally. He’ll be very good.

  • jab

    Bullard, finally a pick I can get behind.

  • Doc Nitty

    Are we happy yet?

    • willbest

      We aren’t scratching our heads going WTF at least

    • DaMurph

      We will let you know in September Doc!

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      You get what you pay for. He’s versatile but better versions of him were available at 42. Better than Connor Cook at least.
      We needed differencemakers. Core differencemakers.

  • DaMurph

    He was a round 2 projection guy, I just didn’t watch any Gator games this year so I got nuttin.

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      He is a beast against the run with some run skills.

      • MacArthur was a beast against the hun.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    What board are we using? Don’t want to be jumping around, confusing!

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Another proof Jeff hates the draft:

    Making us comment on two active threads at the same freakin time

  • burntorangenavyblue

    You gents have made my night tolerable…..barely.

    To that I salute you!

    • burntorangenavyblue

      I keed, you guys are awesome

  • willbest

    new thread for realz

  • Irish Sweetness

    No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

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