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Dannehy’s Free Agency Tiers: Franchise Players

| February 10th, 2016

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The Bears showed last year they weren’t afraid to spend in free agency and the expectation is that they will again. The Denver Broncos are coming off of a Super Bowl win largely because of the contributions of free agents DeMarcus Ware, T.J. Ward and Emmanuel Sanders. The Bears have over $50 million to spend in free agency and could have close to $70 million after cuts.

Here is part one of a three-part series examining potential targets on the free agency market.

Franchise Players

This is a small list because great players don’t reach free agency very often. In fact, it’s unlikely any of these three players will make it, but until they’re officially not available, they have to be on the list. These are the guys a team can build their defense around. Of course the con for all of them is the price, but you pay a premium for premium players.

Von Miller, LB, Denver

Pros: Miller is one of the best defensive players in the league. As he showed in the AFC Championship Game and Super Bowl, Miller can completely dominate with the best combination of speed and power in the league.

Cons: It’s going to be hard for the Bears to justify the kind of contract Miller is going to demand, while trying to build the rest of their defense. (Miller is going to get around $20 million per year.) Between his and Jay Cutler’s contracts, the Bears would have over 20 percent of their salary cap space tied up into two players. Teams who have done that haven’t been very successful.

Mo Wilkerson, DE, NY Jets

Pros: If he weren’t playing in the same era as J.J. Watt, Wilkerson would be known as the best defensive lineman in the league. He’s a beast against the run and has had 10 or more sacks in two of the last three years. He has also deflected 12 passes at the line of scrimmage the last two seasons. He’ll still only be 26 when next season begins.

Cons: Like with Miller, it might be hard for the Bears to justify the contract. If Wilkerson is in the $15 million per season range, it’s worth pursuing. Above that, there might be better value elsewhere. And historically, it’s ┬áhard to tell what will happen to a defensive lineman when he gets a big contract.

Eric Berry, S, Kansas City

Pros: One of the best safeties in the league, with range and tackling ability, Berry would give the Bears one of the best duos in the league with Adrian Amos. Seems like he’s been around forever, but he’s only 27 years old.

Cons: Contracts for safeties have gotten out of control in recent years and Berry is likely going to be the highest-paid player at the position in the league. He might be worth it but having a great safety doesn’t do a team much good if they don’t have anything in front of him.

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  • Scharfinator

    From a strictly business perspective, do we assume a higher risk factor for Berry in the case of relapse? Are there ways to protect him and his team, contractually, if that happens?

    • BearDown100393

      These contracts are insured. If a policy was secured for his return to KC, should not really be an issue assuming passing the physical.

      • Scharfinator

        Yeah, good point. It’s probably not very different than showing up with a broken shin…

  • Big Mike

    Big name guys like these are unequivocally not the way for the Bears to go. Picking up 2 “hungrier” but still top notch FAs for the price of Von Miller is the way to go. Pernell McPhee size signings. Lock up Alshon, get Bennett squared away. Say goodbye to Bushrod and then get 4-5 value FAs. Work some of those 5th, 6th or 7th round draft picks into earlier round guys or a trade up and walk away with 4-5 more starters from this years draft. See where it lands.

    • That Guy

      I’m down with all of this except trading away all the late picks. That strategy is fine, but if you look at the last few dominant teams (Seattle, Denver, NE), they all have had success with later draft picks. You can’t just hope your top three picks fill out the roster by themselves.

      • Big Mike

        Here’s why I have flip flopped my opinion on this. 1) The Bears have plenty of guys who have started, don’t cost much and who provide exceptional depth. Which is a role that is really what can be expected of a 6th or 7th round pick. 2) An article at Windy City Gridiron, did the math. From 2010 to 2014 there were 602 5th, 6th and 7th round picks only 1/3 saw any action in at least 1/2 of the games they were available to play in. Only 111 were the primary starter, The stats were progressively worse by round. 6th round picks only 18% were starters for a season. (many of these were on terrible teams, who had no other options), 7th round 12%. (see J-Marcus Webb)

        What the Bears need is not depth. They need IMPACT players. If they could trade all three six round (10, 29 and 31) picks for a 2nd rounder, I believe they would need to do it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Not to mention ditching Bennett’s 6M salary.

      • Big Mike

        I think you keep Martellus. He just wants to get paid a bit more. Replacement cost is > than what the Bears would have to pay him, if they renegotiate. (I think). I think there are too many positions with ?s to toss aside a high quality known entity.

        • Irish Sweetness

          We paid him 6M to sit on the bench though. Let’s not pay him 6M and buy someone else?

          • Big Mike

            I believe he was injured. Some say he was pouting. We’ll never know the truth there. A TE with his production will cost more than $6million on the open market.

          • CanadaBear

            I think the Black Uni is a huge pain in the ass and I don’t know if these guys want to deal with that (they shipped out BMarsh). I’d like to see him play out the last year of his contract. You know he wouldn’t dog it for obvious reasons.

          • Big Mike

            I’m hopeful Fox can fix his ass.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Yes to Wilkerson. No point in being 70M below cap if you nickel and dime it. 20M for Von sounds like a bridge too far. 15M for Mo sounds like a plan.

    But under NO circumstances should we give AJ 13 million dollars. Get two decent vets for the same, let somebody else overpay him, and spend that money on the D-line. AJ is not that receiver.

    • willbest

      Your AJ hate is mind boggling. He is a legit #1 WR. Even when he was our only weapon at WR, and injured, other teams still couldn’t handle him. He played every game for 2 years, and has “down” season and somehow you don’t think he is worth TY Hilton money. Only thing that means is you shave some of guarantees off and lower the signing bonus.

      • Bender McLugh

        gotta agree, Will. I don’t want to see AJ going anywhere.

    • T’Challa

      I am all in for signing Wilkerson. He is a difference maker and teamed up with Goldman and an early round rookie, the DL will be solid for a few years. Wilkerson’s production speaks for its self over his career. Mahlik Jackson’s lack of production until his contract year is concerning.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Here’s another guy who writes “without further adieu” and remains employed ….

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000602379/article/top-20-unrestricted-free-agents-for-2016

    How much can Trevathan ask for?

    Does Cordy Glenn put our OL over the top?

    • willbest

      Thing about Trevathan is the Cheese are desperate for an ILB so they can get roid rage barbie back to pass rusher. Now the Bears have the Fox connection, but Trevathan has his SB ring, he is going to be looking for $$$

      • Irish Sweetness

        But we have more $$$ than anyone!!

    • T’Challa

      I am hoping that Trevathan can be had for $6-7m per. Signing Trevathan and Wilkerson is my biggest hopes for the offseason.

  • BearDown100393

    Would anyone here really complain if Owner George/GM Pace/HC Fox bit the bullet and brought aboard Von Miller?

    • burntorangenavyblue

      After the Pepperless and Unawareness acquisitions, I may still have some hesitation

      • BerwynBomber

        Peppers played well for us. Sack totals were never what one hoped but he often ate up a double-team and was almost always dynamite in pursuit.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Yes, but the amount of money? Holy smokes

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. But that’s what happens when you go for a franchise player in his prime. Anyway, wasn’t near the waste of money that Allen was, IMO.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            It just sucked because everyone and their mothers knew that the offense needed more help and protection for Cutler at the time

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Bears did go out and invest money on blocking in that time frame (drafted Wiliams first round in 08, signed Pace in 09, Manomooolah in 10)…they just consistently spent it on the wrong guys.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            yep wrong guys for sure. 08 injured Linemen, 09 over the hill lineman, 10 overweight TE pretending to be a lineman.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If you let Uni and AJ go, there’s your cash and still have plenty to sign other players.
      You want greatness? I do. Who are our great players on D?

    • T’Challa

      I am not a fan of spending the money to get Miller. $20m per? I just don’t believe OLB is as much of a need as DE and ILB.

  • CanadaBear

    Pace has gone on record saying he isn’t planning on any big splashes. Maybe that’s misdirection but I don’t think so.

    • AlbertInTucson

      True but, different regime, who ever though The Bears would jump all over Julius Peppers?

      • CanadaBear

        Totally agree but that regime thought the Bears were a player away. Pretty sure this regime isn’t that delusional.

        • AlbertInTucson

          But what a GM “says” he plans to do is pretty meaningless.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Cards close to the chest. He’d have a boner for Miller as much as anyone – and I’m sure he’s well aware that as a franchise we have always been defined by our linebackers. It hurts me to see the crap we’ve had since Urlacher.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Why even mention Miller beyond “no chance”? The Broncos certainly are not going to let him go anywhere.

    • willbest

      There is no chance on any of them

      • Sactowns#1

        Yeah this strikes me odd because there are lots of attainable FA’s out there. So why highlight the 3 players we are most likely not to get?
        WR- Get a Benjamin or Brandon Tate. Mid level talent with some upside.
        LB- Tamba Hali or Aldon Smith are both very attainable Vincent Rey or Rolando Mcclain add Reggie Nelson for some continuity with a former teammate and I’d be super happy. We don’t need a mega star, we just need solid players.

        • willbest

          Probably because he is starting with the fantasies before looking at realistic targets. Its a long off season when we don’t have who is the next GM/HC will he/won’t he fire trade/Cutler.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Eric Berry would be my first choice on that list that would actually be doable. Von Miller is a pipe dream.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Just read the last few tweets and I’m confused…if anyone understands the sports, it’s that Oline is not a glamorous or sexy position that the top athletes want to be. What are we to expect to happen as a trend in the future if this is a real concern and NFL teams “catch on”?

    No olines? Asking top prospects and younger generation of athletes to be more into being tackles instead of play making defenders? Ain’t gonna happen

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Guys blocking nowhere near as athletic as those they’re trying to block. NFL hasn’t adapted.”

    Might be less an issue of the NFL not adapting and more an issue of what kids gravitate toward what positions. We see this with WR/CB too. More often than not, the best athlete or (dare we say) specimens give WR a try first because that is where the bucks and prestige is. Same is probably true with DL/OL. Except in that case it is the D position that is more appealing to the best.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Haha, we are alike, you and I

    • willbest

      Its always easier to act than react. But also keep in mind that there are fundamental differences between what the o-line and d-line are trying to accomplish that do not necessarily fit the model.

      The idea you are going to find a Von Miller beater at OT without a cost is nonsensical. Anybody that is quick enough to handle Von Miller is going to get mauled by a half way competent DE. You want to put a pass rush blocking specialist at tackle you best have 2 all-pro guards, and an all pro-center on your interior.

      • BerwynBomber

        Of course. But even setting aside the blocking of a speedy OLB, my bet is the better athletes gravitate toward D-Line than O-line, just as the better ones gravitate toward WR over CB. It is all about prestige and dollars.

        • Sactowns#1

          Some guys just prefert o play on a certain side of the ball. I liked playing offense because it was a fun and positive mindset. Here’s what we’re going to do as a team. On D it was much more about not letting something happen and what I could do as an individual.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I loved defense, and so did everybody on the defense – and they were all heavy metal fans with long hair. It was awesome. The offense were posers. Short-haired Cowboys and Dolphins fans.

            Not letting something happen was a lot of fun. Tackling is fun. I can’t see how being tackled is fun.

      • That Guy

        Heard Kyle Long’s first college coach interviewed. He described in detail how they looked at Kyle’s physical gifts and started him out as a DE. Once they saw he wasn’t as “reactive” (his word) they switch him to O-line and that obviously worked out well.

        O-line is the second choice for those guys – though O-linemen like to say that Defense Ends are meatheads.

  • BerwynBomber

    A nit, but I’d probably toss Josh Norman on the franchise list even if he had a disappointing SB. He is about as close to lockdown CB as the league offered this past year. But like Miller in DEN, can’t see CAR letting him walk.

    • TBC

      He’s certainly in higher demand than Eric berry

      • BerwynBomber

        Yup. One list had Berry ranked only #8. Same list had Alshon ranked #2. Right between Miller and Norman.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Janoris Jenkins would be cheaper – and he’s good.

  • willbest

    The only way Miller “averages” 20 million a year is if his year 6 is $30 million entirely unguaranteed. Miller (and Luck) are the types of players that merit triple franchise consideration. If Broncos did that they would get him for about $18.5 million a year for 3 years, where he assumes all the risk of injury. That is his ceiling. He is probably looking at around $17 million a year once you factor in the $45-50 million or so in guarantees, which incidentally is still better than JJ Watt got.

  • Sactowns#1

    WR- Get a Benjamin or Brandon Tate. Mid level talent with some upside.
    LB- Tamba Hali or Aldon Smith are both very attainable
    ILB Vincent Rey or Rolando Mcclain add
    CB Reggie Nelson for some continuity with a former teammate and I’d be super happy.
    We don’t need a mega star, we just need solid players.

    • willbest

      Do we need a WR? We will have Jeffery, White, Royal, Wilson already on the roster. WR#5 and 6 are typically special teamers. Assuming Mariani has recovered from his yips on PR he didn’t do too shabby as the backup slot guy and a poor man’s eldleman.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I agree – spending FA money on a WR next year? Not unless Alshon and White decide to go bmx’ing together in the offseason.

      • Sactowns#1

        Until White plays a down in the NFL I’m not holding my breath. And with the number of games Royal and Alshon will likely play they count as one player combined. We do indeed need a solid WR.

        • willbest

          The practical realities of the situation though don’t lend themselves to WR FA acquisitions beyond Vet min special teamers. Alshon will get resigned, despite what Irish wants. White isn’t going anywhere, and he is your #2 for 2016 & 2017 full stop. Royal’s contract is guaranteed for 2016 so he isn’t going anywhere. Now you could bump Wilson, but he is on a 7th round rookie deal, and while he hasn’t elevated himself he is serviceable for what he is intended for. That leaves WR #5 and WR #6

          • Irish Sweetness

            You think AJ is worth 13M dollars? Can we get a show of hands please for those who think AJ is worth thirteen million dollars ….

            If we’re 70M to the good after cuts, why can’t we hire solid receivers?

            Look at the guys who have been floundering on other teams :

            http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/

          • willbest

            Alshon is the best on that list, and its not even close. Why don’t you want to see that?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            He’s hoping for the return of Aromashadu.

      • BerwynBomber

        No, we don’t.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Absofuckinglutely. We DON’T have Alshon. Y’all see something in Wilson that I haven’t. Royal is a slot guy. White will be good, but you need two of those … and then you need depth. Plus, even if AJ stays, he doesn’t strike me as a #1, and can’t beat the double teams as well as Brandon could. I’m going full-terrorist if we give him 13 million dollars.

        • willbest

          It has to be because he keeps his head down and isn’t showboaty enough for you. He was 9th among receivers in 2013, 12th in 2014, and would have been top 10 again even without Brandon Marshall if he had played all 16 games.
          Then you have to think through time. Say we sign him to a 5-year deal. In 5 years the cap is going to be nearly $200 million. $13 million is what your WR#2 is going to be making in 2021.

    • Irish Sweetness

      This. We’d have sick OLBs if we could snag either of those. Travis would be great for us too, he’s lost in Cleveland. How much are Josh Norman and Janoris Jenkins going to cost?

  • Trac

    Eric Berry was Phil Emery’s wet dream that actually panned out. It would be poetic justice if the Bears were able to snag him. Von Miller? Forgettaboutit! It ain’t happening.

  • Sactowns#1
    • MB30SD

      turrible

  • Martin Bell

    No matter what the Bears do, the odds are they’ll blow it anyway. Can we trade ownership?

    • Trac

      I proposed seeking a German conglomerate a few days back. Ze Germans know how to win.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Do they? Do they really?

        • Trac

          Futbol?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            What do you have against Brazil?

          • Trac

            There’s prolly more German than Brazilian immigrants in chi-raq.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Seven goals to one if you’re Germany.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Well played. Well played.

  • BearDown100393

    Denver needs a quarterback. Jay Cutler is a quarterback with trade value. Brock Osweiler is a free agent young quarterback. Delete Jay. Add Brock. Does cap space go down? Does ceiling limit on starting quarterback potential rise?

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Elway and Cutler in the same room, much less a trade? Uh, no.

      • MB30SD

        well, well, well.

    • willbest

      Von Miller will count in the $14-15 million range against the cap next year. Donks can’t afford a $15 million QB. Rookie or journeyman for 2016 unless they want to enter cap hell for the next half decade. Plus their draft picks are shit. I wouldn’t trade them Cutler unless we are getting their first and 2nd this year and their first next year.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      do we want Osweiler? I mean the commentators on the game he started against us made the point multiple times that his passes are hard to catch because they are on a downward trajectory.

    • TBC

      This is the most preposterous thing ever you’ve ever typed.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Wow.

  • I’ve been all for the 2nd tier guys from the start.

    Unfortunately, now that they won a SB, Malik and Trevathan might cost more, and always the risk of complacency.

    I prefer hungry players who haven’t won a SB, but if we get both Malik and Trevathan, I won’t complain.
    DT Ian Williams (SF) also intrigues. Broncos / 9er players will talk to bears for obvious reasons.

    TE is a bit murky. I want to dump Bennett ASAP, but word is Miller wants too much. We can go from having 2 talented TEs to none.

    I would LOVE Ladarius Green from SD. He’s been underused and is a solid blocker while being a tough big target in the redzone. He’s in his prime too, and if Miller does return, that would be a wicked TE combo.

    As for S, will Weddle want a lot? Not sure. If he’s reasonable, he’d be a great addition essentially replacing Rolle’s knowledge and leadership but with actual talent.

    • Irish Sweetness

      TE is a strange position. You’ve got WRs like Brandon Marshall who are better blockers than some TEs. Technically, we don’t need any TEs. This isn’t fantasy football. If the worst came to the worst, we could roll with Tayo on running plays, use WRs on passing downs. If we can’t find a decent TE, just sign a really meaty receiver.

      Zach is 31, he’s not getting paid. The Colts two TEs are FAs. At WR, we could go after a guy like Travis Benjamin. We need to be signing some receivers. The Jets have a couple in Owusu and Tompkins worth looking at. And how about Ryan Fitz?

      BTW – Shamus is a FA. Sean Wetherspoon, Trevathan and Rolando McClain are too. Tamba Hali for a year or two?

  • The GP

    Pace is done with Unicorn. Is that really not clear to some?

    • CanadaBear

      Hope they don’t give him away.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, I thought the whole “I didn’t bother watching the second Cheese game” doomed Uni. I assume he and Forte are gone.

    • Trac

      Evidently.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Geez, another journalist brutally abducted and murdered in Mexico for speaking out that it is a dangerous place. This and the killings of citizens over and over all happening next door to the US and our government wants to always dabble in affairs half a world away. These vermins are going to take advantage of our overly PC do nothing but whine society and get away with anything here if nothing is done when they get a stronger foothold here.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      it’s a good thing the NFL is playing a game there next year.

      • beninnorcal

        HBP, you’re on fire today

    • willbest

      Was the journalist killed with one of the guns the US Government sold to the Mexican drug cartels?

      I don’t know exactly what what you mean by a stronger foothold though. There are some 13+ million Mexican citizens living in the US (Over 10% of the their population).

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Just mean the gang activity becoming stronger and more brazen in what they do

    • Sactowns#1

      Oh no… I’m super scared. Can you please protect us all from the big bad scary Mexicans?

      • Trac

        It’s a real concern for people the live close to and in border towns Sac. Sure there’s some knee jerk opinions we ALL have from time to time but Mexico truly is a dangerous place compared the U.S.

    • MB30SD

      already happening amigo.

      Check out sicario. Little dramatic view, but a lot of truth to it.

  • BillW

    Completely off topic so forgive:
    There is a guy screen-named chibear on a music recording board I go on. From Manitoba. Interesting screen name to say the least.

    Is it anyone from here (lurker or otherwise?)

    My name on that board is the same as here. I’m not into originality. My first name really is Bill and my last name really does begin with a W.

    • CanadaBear

      You didn’t need to put in that last paragraph. Pretty sure we all assumed it. I’m not ChiBear.

      • BillW

        I sent him a PM on that board but got no response. Just wonderin’

        • CanadaBear

          Do they give you as much grief over there as we do here?

          • BillW

            Nah – it’s a forum for a software package for home recording. Very helpful bunch of people. Nothing remotely controversial or opinion driven ever comes up. In fact it never strays off topic except maybe when a famous musician dies (like every other day it seems).

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            if you want i can go on there and harass you, just give me the site.

          • BillW

            Damn nice of you, Huge Bear. I’ll keep it in mind

          • Johnnywad

            That would be funny as hell. Everybody just doing their thing over there on the music scene. HBP rolls in……. “What the fuck Bill. That sucks.”

            Mic drop. HBP rolls out.

          • CanadaBear

            I think it was GP, Irish and a couple others on here that went on another site and took a piss in the comments. I’m a little hazy but I think she came on here looking for page hits on her blog and got a little more than she bargained for. It was hilarious on this end.

          • Johnnywad

            That sounds fantastic. Wish I had known

          • MB30SD

            yeeeeeees, I remember her. She got the beats downs

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            The Milk incident.

    • beninnorcal

      Bill, do you record music and do you have a youtube channel? If so, on the latter, I will surely subscribe.

      • BillW

        No, but thanks. A lot of guys there put their stuff on SoundCloud but they write original stuff. I just do covers. Not sure if there is any copyright issues putting that their but probably not. I might do that with the song I’m working on since I feel I’m getting better with mixing

  • BerwynBomber

    So it looks like Shady McCoy will be standing in front of a judge soon. Wonder if he and his lawyer will blame the night’s events on Chip Kelly?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      The Chip Kelly Defense… That will never hold up they been on the field too long.

  • MB30SD
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  • Irish Sweetness

    So if we’re going to be 70M under the cap … isn’t the idea to spend it? Do we get NFL brownie points for consistently coming in well under cap? What’s the advantage there? Why can’t we go out and buy our damn team? Draft well to boot. What’s going on?

    • That Guy

      No we can spend it. But you can’t sign guys to $70M in one year deals. We don’t want to sign a bunch of 5 year deals and have half the players not be worth it (see New Orleans). We don’t want to spend for the sake of spending and have guys with bloated contracts. We don’t want to hamstring ourselves from getting good players next year and the years after that.

      We also have to make decisions on guys like Forte, Jeffery, Miller and… I can’t think of anyone on D.

      But yes, we’re going to have a lot of space to make some really competitive moves.

    • willbest

      Obviously Pace has to make a splash acquisition. Not only are the Bears 65 million to the positive (after getting rid of Bushrod and Bennett) outside of Jeffery and Long they have no impending FA on their roster that is slated to make even $8+ million a season in the next 3 years outside of Long and Jeffery. Young will be due for a raise, but he is aging. Fuller sure as hell hasn’t demonstrated he is worth more than 3-4 million. Slausen will be 31. And yes he could in theory fill the roster with a bunch of $4 million guys, but if you don’t have those 2-3 players that force the double team then your competent mid range players aren’t going to be making plays.

      We need 2 of those guys on defense, and we don’t even have one.

  • BearDown100393

    Golden shoes. Golden socks with “MVP” inscribed. SMH.

  • Irish Sweetness

    We’ve got lawyers on here, right? Birth certs anyone? Found this comment under a Youtube video on birth certs …. any sense to it ?

    This trying to be legit official legit official is unnecessary… it’s super simple. Use your name when you need to as far as private living shit, like cellphone, internet, bills, job, etc, you are giving them consent by agreeing to or signing a contract.

    If you have outstanding bills you know you cannot pay off and have recently self declared sovereignty, then by all means tell them that you are not the name and that you will not be paying those fees nor do you consent to any legal action they may try to throw at you. Basically, you could be a total dick, and tell them to fuck off, and if it came to court, you just demand the court be a common law jurisdiction, in accordance with the Constitution. Then they will have to prove their jurisdiction over you which they can’t and then they will dismiss the case. Court can’t proceed without your consent, but don;t do that. If you make payments, sign a contract with a legit company that isn’t the law, then pay what is owed and pay your taxes if you choose to make money.

    When the law pokes around (another company) and they want to do business with you by contract, and are using your legal name in attempts to persuade or force you into signing this quasi contract (look it up), don’t accept the name. The name is just a “code” to help track your taxes, credit, legal report/documentation, etc.. it’s just a way for the system to organize and track you for your benefit. It’s a way to safely store your money, possessions, records, history, etc, etc.. It is NOT you as a person. It helps with identity theft so that some other person has less chances of pretending to be you and use your name illegitimately. This is a GREAT THING, but people forgot how this works so the judicial systems takes advantage of ignorant people and gets them to sign their name over on the plea contract. I guess in a simpler way… if the cops or courts want to do biz with you, don’t. Just learn the simple terms to protect yourself because law does not communicate or use the same language as the common man, so you may be easily tricked into that contract. But even then you could dismiss the whole case at any point in time with CCP (check your own state) Article 473 (d) that states: The court may, upon motion of the injured party, or its own motion, correct clerical mistakes in its judgment or orders as entered, so as to conform to the judgment or order directed, and may, on motion of either party after notice to the other party, set aside any void judgment or order. The judge has to uphold his oath in which he has to prove to you first in order to even proceed, and his oath protects common law, which is above statute law!!!!!!

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Good luck with that.

    • willbest

      Guys a moron. At one point in his life he managed to cause enough trouble over a small amount of money that the company involved decided it wasn’t worth the effort and he has concocted a whole world of idiocy to justify welching on his debt.

      He is wrong on the whole common law/statute law nonsense. But lets suppose you are under common law. Common law predates birth certificates. You can use whatever name you want. They just need to reasonably prove you are the person that made the agreement. And that is pretty Fing easy if you have something they gave you.

      As for the courts jurisdiction. If you live X, X court has jurisdiction. If you travel through Y, while in Y, Y court has jurisdiction and it will continue to have jurisdiction even if you leave Y as long as you were served in Y. If the agreement says Z has jurisdiction even though you have never been to Z, and they can show you signed it, Z has jurisdiction. Now whatever XYZ decides, EVERY COURT will then uphold (with 1 caveat).

      • Irish Sweetness

        Thanks, Will.

  • Irish Sweetness

    So your birth cert is a trust? They make you sign in all caps because your all caps name is an estate?

    Has anyone here ever sent a bill to the IRS marked as ‘Accepted for value’ ?

    http://freedom-school.com/bonds/accepted-for-value.pdf

    Hey, its the off-season …..

    • willbest

      He didn’t say anything meaningful in the first 2 minutes, and I am not going to watch any more.

      A4V is basically a scam. You might be able to hose a small business (shame on you), but IRS will throw you in jail. At bigger companies they will just cross it off and submit the check to your bank, who will cash your check and send you a note that will say something along the lines as “cashed not as drawn”

      • Irish Sweetness

        That’s what I was thinking, fuck with the IRS and you can protest your innocence from jail.
        There seems to be a lot of those videos though, apparently intelligent men doing 30 minute videos on the subject. Why?

        That was just a side-avenue, the birth cert thing is interesting though …. I’m going to look into more.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2615596-terrible-turf-had-panthers-ot-michael-oher-sliding-around-during-super-bowl?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

    Others have said this, but it looks like a glitch in Madden. I heard the head official today saying it was like a putting green, it was cut so short.

  • StarkyLuv

    I would love for Bears to handle their safety woes through FA rather than the draft.

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