• Scharfinator

    I thought the D was pretty well coached… they were competitive after the offensive laid turd after turd until they got tired in the second half.

    All in all though… I agree. No touchbacks, 13-step drops, stupid play calls, QB selfishly hurting the team. What in the fuckkkkkk…. Let’s tank the season and get Cutty’s replacement already. He’s the ONLY player from 2012 still here. EVERYTHING else has changed and we’re still pretty shitty. He’s the consistent piece in our failure.

    The Bearowns are here. Maybe Fox will have a leap this year, but I doubt it as well.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “I thought the D was pretty well coached..’

    But the Eagles opeinng drive of 7 minutes + really set the tone.

    • Scharfinator

      After we went 3 and out?

      • willbest

        Langfords not the guy.

        • Scharfinator

          Yeah… don’t think anyone is disagreeing with that.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    The 90s all over again?

    This is the early 1970s all over again

    • wreckinball

      That’s what I was thinking. Is Fox going to have a Good-Bye Abe moment later this year?

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    Waffle: you lost

  • chitownproud85

    I woke up this morning, and though I dont want to admit it, I calmed down quite a bit. Last year, week 2, was a fucking disaster as well, and they recovered to have a…somewhat…meaningful season that was a a couple of very, very close games away from .500 or better. The writing is on the wall, but the season isnt six feet under. I have zero, and I mean ZERO faith that they will swing this around or make it into something, but goddamnit, I’m not throwing in the towel yet.

  • chitownproud85

    Oh. ANd I know its been said 1000 times…but Barth missing that field goal…lol. I mean…what are the fucking odds? You want proof that the football gods have a sick sense of humor? There it was. What a fucking joke.

  • Shady

    John Fox is 1-8 at Soldier Field with the Bears.

    • chitownproud85

      The Bears are 3-14 over the last 2 years, 1 game. lol.

      • SC Dave

        8-17 since Lovie was axed, despite the first Trestman year (5-3).

  • BerwynBomber

    Didn’t care to see McPhee go after Cutler after the INT. Cutler fucked up; he had a bad game. But that cross-unit bitching/sniping is always a bad look. Doubtful it engenders much chemistry either.

    • chitownproud85

      Cutty has to be held accountable too, and it is well documented he has words with folks when THEY fuck up. That was a pure shit brained thing of him to do, and it iced and already lost game. It was stupid. No, cross-unit sniping shouldnt happen, I agree, but damn. Frustration is real.

    • BearDown100393

      McPhee is not a coach. That was not his role or responsibility.

      • BillW

        Plus he hasn’t even practiced yet much less played. Not a full part of the team in some respect.

        And does he think Cutler doesn’t know it was a bad play?

  • Chip Shot 25

    Any one remember December 23, 1991? This game leaves me with a similar feeling. However then I was a chest thumping young buck talking smack with my buddies and it took a while to be able to show my face again. Now I’m an older guy with a house full of kids so I just turned it off and went to bed. Call me,,,,when the party starts- Mo Greene.

  • BillW

    I think it hurts more when it’s at home and on national TV.

    Sill, when a rookie QB looks far and away better than than an 11 year veteran, something more is going on.

    All the calls for firings are unrealistic. There is a game to prepare for on a short week.

    I seriously doubt the offense can be worse with Hoyer. Maybe it somehow will be better.

    Pace took a risk in clearing out the last of the vets we had that may have made the score more respectable, in order to see what he had. I think he knows already that Langford is not the answer at RB.

    As a fan the one thing that gets me upset is not seeing the head coach upset after a loss. But itka style rants don’t make the team any better either.

    Fox maybe simply knows what he has and doesn’t have.

  • BearDown100393

    Way too much doom and gloom here. Geez, this is turning out to the be comments section for the Trib or something. It is week 2. Okay, the Bears are 0-2. You are what your record say. Now let’s look at this division. Minnesota lost Bridgewater, patchworked with Bradford. AP is old and down. Bradford will not last a full season. Bank on it. The Vikings will sink soon enough. Detroit is Detroit and always gets in the way of itself. No Megatron is going to bite this team soon enough. That leaves Grimus and the Cheese. Vadgers is reduced to being a junk ball hurler. Nelson is just a guy. The division isn’t pretty and that plays to Chicago’s benefit. Alshon showed up. White made some completions. Howard flashed to show 1st string potential. Willie Young’s motor is purring. Injuries happen. Part of the NFL. This is not about talent in the NFC North. It will be about attrition. One game at a game. Focus. Work harder. Prepare better. Next man up. Do your job. This isn’t over. It is just beginning. Bear down.

    • BillW

      I like the perspective of “you are what your record says”. I think it’s a bit more – you are what you show during the games.

      Right now they are a bad team. They could improve. What’s frustrating is there is nothing to indicate they will. But what do I know – I’m just a fan.

    • Cubsnlinux

      The angst is not about 0-2. I don’t think anyone had super bowl or playoff dreams. The disgust is with the way our beloved got thumped and decimated by the mighty Eagles. The collective frustration is with the shit show for the past 3 seasons with seemingly ZERO improvements on the horizon. Let us not compare with Vikings or Lions or anyone else. I watched those games and they are much better football teams than the sorry excuse we got win or lose.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The Vikings have arguably the best defense in the NFL.

      And the season IS over. That’s not being debbie downer, that’s just a certainty.

      • A7Xthebest

        No, it really isn’t. Do you remember how that 2011 NFC Champ Team looked at times? At LEAST this bad.

  • BillW

    When your offense is not clicking at all, and the defense has weakness that get exposed from being on the field too long, you wind up losing. No surprise.

    There were three plays that really fried me. The two neutral zone infractions (just don’t line up offsides – how hard is that?) I saw both of them pre snap and knew a flag was coming.

    And why take out a kickoff from the end zone when you now get the ball on the 25?

    It’s those mental mistakes that make me feel something is lacking on the coaching. And makes me wonder how deep that issue really runs.

  • BillW

    See Jeff’s tweet. Jay had ligament damage LAST week that he played through and apparently aggravated.

  • wreckinball

    I couldn’t take the shit on the field and Gruden. Started with sound off. An SC Dave recommendation.
    I eventually couldn’t take the video so turned that off too.

    • SC Dave

      I never listen to any of those assholes if I can help it. Since I’m often out watching it, on occasion it is impossible to not hear them, so I have to then rely on selective deafness. It gets better with practice.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Draft Jabrill Peppers……draft Jabrill Peppers…..draft Jabrill Peppers….

    That’s all I hope for

  • CanadaBear

    You always hear personnel guys talk about blue chip players (players that have to be accounted for at all times). Good teams have 3-6 blue chippers. The Beloved has one, maybe, in Alshon. Long could be with a healthy shoulder (not gonna happen this season) and that’s it. Fox seems like the fire has gone completely out and the roster is pathetic. The Beloved have been owned at the LOS on both sides of the ball in each game. I get it with the Texans, the Iggles, not so much. I’m almost afraid to see what the Cowgirls OL will do to the Bears DL next week. Oh, and how ’bout Connor Barth? He’s almost as good as our shitty punter. FUCK!

  • Scharfinator

    Shaw we neeeeeeeeed youu

    • SC Dave

      That injury really was a shame.

  • Sactowns#1

    Upon further review, there is nothing wrong with this team that a new QB and coach cant fix. I have been a Cutler defender in the past. No more. He has reverted to staring down one receiver and and if that receiver isn’t open he simply freezes. How long? how long do you stay with a losing formula?
    One bright spot… the defense. in the first half the defense was solid and held up well against both the run and the pass. They tired out though since they were on the field 99% of the time so I don t fault them for giving up some big plays in the second half.
    So question to you all- How long do the Bears stay with Fox and Cutler?

    • burntorangenavyblue

      With the Oline we have, it’s not going to matter who is our QB.

      • Sactowns#1

        Two pro bowl linemen and a promising rookie and you think THAT’S the hopeless problem?!

        • CanadaBear

          One PB lineman that doesn’t really know the O and the other has a torn labrum and the only reason he is playing is because there is nothing behind him.

          • Sactowns#1

            True. But at least there is hope there for the future. At the QB position there is no hope for the future.

          • CanadaBear

            Welcome to my world. Ever since Cutler threw the pick to the fat guy in the Buffalo game, I have had no faith in him. It’s not all his fault but he’s avg at best. Nothing more, nothing less.

          • Sactowns#1

            I would give him average if he could start all 16 games in a season. Unfortunately, he’s below average.

          • CanadaBear

            With that shitty OL (which has been shitty forever) I can’t see many iron man streaks at the QB position with the Bears.

          • BerwynBomber

            Jay’s reasonably durable. Probably middle of the road in that regard.

          • SC Dave

            I would say perhaps a bit above average on the toughness side. But so much of the punishment he takes is avoidable.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yup, he is what the analytics say he is. A borderline top 16 guy. Nothing horribly wrong with that but maybe a dubious choice to have two different coaching staffs build around.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Well, Whitehair should be behind him and not playing center …..

      • BerwynBomber

        Lots of bad Olines across the league — hell, just look in our own division.

        Anyway, our only starter that might be hopeless is Massie.

        • SC Dave

          I didn’t realize how bad Massie is in pass protection until last night.

    • wreckinball

      Cutler gone end of the year. Ne was pretty much a goner anyways. It would have taken a playoff year for him to stay because of age, contract and lack of performance.

      Fox, end of this year if he loses 10 or more.
      Was hoping for better but was expecting what I saw last night.

      • BerwynBomber

        I didn’t expect it. I thought Wentz might be the real deal but figured he would struggle on the road in primetime. At least this early in his career.
        Plus, I thought we could exploit their secondary. Malcom Jenkins has always been a damn solid S, but I don’t know if they have much else back there.
        But hey, credit to Gym Shorts. He had that unit ready to play. They were opportunistic.

        • wreckinball

          As much as Gruden was making me nauseous Wentz does look pretty good. We’ll see how he holds up with a team that can bring more pressure.

          • BerwynBomber

            Hah! I’m probably the only DBBer who likes Gruden. I think he is very informative and an outstanding analyst.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t dislike him but he’s hardly a fave.

          • BillW

            Informative and annoying are not mutually exclusive.

          • wreckinball

            He definitely has knowledge. He just latches on to the QB who is having the best night and declares him the next HOFer. Some are already in the HOF (e.g Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben) but he does it with guys who definitely not going.
            Wentz looked good and who knows.

    • BearDown100393

      Cutler is scheduled to make $12.5 million next season with $2.5 million roster bonus. That is a bargain for a starting quarterback.

      • Sactowns#1

        The problem is, he isn’t starting and hasn’t started 16 game since he’s been in Chicago. Really he’s getting paid about 1.5 million per starting game or 24 million a season.

      • BillW

        True – and he may stay for that reason. But I think next year has to be the year Pace gets his first QB of the future. And if he gets it wrong, it will be his last.

        So he better have a plan to assure the line is solid and they have a running game too.

        • BearDown100393

          I think he is here until the end of 2018. Looking at the numbers, he would be scheduled to make $20 million combined with no dead cap space in 2019.

      • wreckinball

        It is a bargain. However, no team in the NFL will sign him as their starter. Much safer to pick up the “Sanchez” of next year if you are desperate. He might get a #2 since most really suck.

        • BillW

          Biggsy has a lot to say about it in his ten thoughts, which I jut started reading.

          I got a text from another fan saying he heard Cutler is probably out for the year. But that might be speculation based on the ligament thing Jahns is reporting (in Jeff’s tweet).

      • Irish Sweetness

        Agreed. I can’t believe we got rid of Fales after what happened to Shaw. Fuck.

        Give the Ravens a 6th for him.

    • BillW

      I also wonder if Fox is mailing it in.

      I know many harp on preseason being meaningless – and I’m all for that IF they come out of the gate looking significantly better. They look the same to me. In two games now the other team seemed to adjust and the Bears had little to nothing after that.

      We used to say the Trestman Bears didn’t look ready. It’s not that bad yet, but Moon Mullin commented on there simply being no spark.

      I’m probably being unfair in saying this, but for many players it seems they already are going through the motions.

      • CanadaBear

        Only two things I disagree with, the Fox Bears look every bit as unprepared as the Nessman Bears and you aren’t being unfair, it does look like players are already mailing it in.

        • BillW

          I only said it’s not that bad (yet) because the O has had decent first quarters.

    • SC Dave

      Yes, the D was MUCH better on third down, so that was a bright spot.

      • BillW

        Eagles 6-18 on drive extending plays (3rd and 4th combined). Biggsy said anything below 25% is very good. Tha’s 33%.

        A bit misleading in that 3-3 on 4th all involved low yardage situations and easier to convert. But still they felt confident taking the risk and they were correct in that assessment.

        Defense was good, not great.

        I wonder – given our secondary is the weak spot – why they don’t try more corner / safety blitzes? Maybe they did – I know they did one in the first quarter (when Gruden said “that’s the first corner blitz I’ve seen from Fangio all year!”)

        Uh Jon – the “year” wasn’t even 5 quarters old yet.

  • wreckinball

    I missed the Hoyer show because I couldn’t take it any longer, was really tired and no alcohol. Apparently no good? Was hoping for at least a McCown level out of him.

    • I said it in PS, but he was better than what he showed.

      This game only showed some of that.

      Hoyer is the ultimate game manager.

      He’s quick and decisive, which is the opposite of cutty, which cuts down on sacks, fumbles, ints.

      The Eagles were giving him yds, but Hoyer still excelled. I think he completed like 8 in a row at one time, and I don’t even remember the last time Cutler completed 8 in a row.

      I’m not deluded though. If we get behind, Hoyer will look like Sanchize.

      But at least he won’t demoralize the D with bonehead turnovers.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hoyer sucks. Dude pass that thing over here… the ultimate game manager? What, like Joe Montana? He was playing against a prevent defense and he took the open stuff underneath. He’s brutal.

        • Like Joe but with choking.

          Hoyer tends to melt down in big moments, but we’re gonna suck, so how many playoff type games will the bears play?

          Like 1, at GB.

          So Hoyer should be ok.

          Would I have preferred to see Shaw or even Fales.

          Naturally.

          But we no longer have those options.

  • This is the way the Cutty ends. This is the way the Cutty ends.
    Not with a bang but with a whimper

    – Bear Bard

    BEFORE the inj, Cutler sucked it. Sure, he made some chucks down the field, but even those could’ve been better. We kept hearing about his arm, but if he hits Alshon in stride when he was about 5 yds behind the DB, that would’ve been a walk in TD. I seen guys with “weaker” arms throw from different platforms make that throw.

    But I suppose that’s too much to ask of Cutler.

    What bothered me more was his continuation of PS trends. (What do you know, PS can foreshadow shit).

    #1. Holding the ball for TOO LONG. WTF!? Has he forgotten about check downs or TEs? Did Martz get hired again?

    #2 Speaking of Martz, for fucks sake, STEP UP IN THE POCKET.

    Did anyone see the Panthers-Broncs game when the announcer said an adjustment the Panthers made was to shorten Cam’s launch point so that Von Miller and gang would run by him? It worked!

    But for some reason, Cutty is just chilling RIGHT where the DEs loop around.

    And what’s even worse – he just stays there. He doesn’t climb the pocket when our interior is supposed to be our strength.

    #3 dangling the ball like a loaf of bread.

    Yes, STILL. What did Chucky relay? 63 TOs, 83? I forgot. I don’t have that many fingers and toes.

    Then, the extras that are Cutty specials. The killer INT when the team is trying to rally.

    This game reminds me of when I saw Urlacher try to chase down Wilson. It was at that specific moment that I said, ‘Yeah. It’s over for him.’

    This was the game when I’m no longer a Cutty agnostic. We’ll NEVER win a ring with him.

    Might make the playoffs one year with him. Maybe even win a playoff game. But no farther, cuz we know what’ll happen.

    It’s time to move on from Cutty. Not this year, but serious efforts to unload him for hopefully a 1st.
    I mean, if Bradford can fetch a 1st and 4rth, jesus, Cutty’s gotta be worth that, at least, right?

    And did I read that McPhee treated Cutty like WebbNation? If so, GOOD. Didn’t Bmarsh do as much?
    If a crazy guy and a passionate player meet in the middle, maybe that judgement is true.

    Well, it was nice rooting for you Cutty. I shall remember you riding the bicycle furiously forever.

    #cargoPants.

    • wreckinball

      You’ll get nothing for Cutty.
      Bradford is a bad comparison. He is at the point of his career that Cutler was when he came to the Bears.
      He gets one more chance based on being injured and being on bad teams. But that will be it for him too if he fails.

      • Cutler when he was traded to Bears was younger, healthier, and much much MUCH better than Bradford this offseason.

        Thus he drew a hell of a lot more in return.

        • Agreed.

          There’s plenty of teams that are just desperate at QB.

          The Browns have like a million picks.

          They can give us a #1 and still have a few left over.

          I don’t even care if it’s a mid first rounder.

          Just as long as we have a plan.

          • at 33, I don’t know if they’ll get a 1st. But 2 2nds would be a bare minimum.

            If they decide to move on. I’m still not convinced that’s a foregone conclusion.

          • CanadaBear

            I can’t see any GM that wants to stay employed, taking a chance on Cutler.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m with you about it not being foregone but I’d be shocked if we don’t draft a QB next year. So if we keep Cutler he will probably be asked to be a bridge/mentor guy until the kid is deemed ready.

          • Joecashflow

            A 12.5 mil bridge mentor guy? Don’t think so. He gets cut if they can’t shop him.

          • CanadaBear

            Conditional pick at best (4th if he doesn’t completely suck and a 7th if he does). The Bears will get a seventh rounder at best.

          • wreckinball

            Browns will stick with RG III one more year.

        • wreckinball

          ?? We’ll see. Still think its similar situation to giving a guy who has the “talent” one more chance at succeeding.
          Cutler’s chance is up.
          He could get a career as the next Vinny as a high quality back-up maybe.

          But Bears aren’t going to be able trade him and he’s not staying. He has no guaranteed money next year. Why do that? Just sign him as a FA if you really want him.

          • Why do that? Any team that’s a QB away from being a playoff team can grab Cutler and save GM/coach jobs. That’s why you do that.

            Jets are a team that jumps immediately to mind, though I doubt a re-uniting of him with Marshall would work. Rams potentially too, though they have the #1 overall pick sitting inactive right now. Would have to see how that plays out this season. Denver with Cutler would be a SB favorite. WAS perhaps, depending on what happens with Cousins this year. SF if they continue to look solid outside of Gabbert.

          • BerwynBomber

            Elway would not touch Cutler with a ten foot pole. Plus, they have Semien and Lynch. Getting Cutler might force them to part with one of those guys or risk stashing him on the PS.

            Btw, I’m not convinced DEN’s D is completely all-world like last year. Still, way up there, but might have slipped just a bit.

          • Their QB has 1 TD and 3 INTs and they’re 2-0. Their D is still damn good.

          • CanadaBear

            I think you’re dreaming JW. At this point Fitzy is better than Cutler. Rams just got the first pick in the draft and won’t muck up that scenario with a schlub like Cutler. BB covered the Denver scenario. Maybe Danny Boy is delusional enough to trade for Cutler but I doubt it.

          • wreckinball

            Jets signed Fitz to a dubious deal. Won’t do it again. But they didn’t trade for Fitz and give up draft picks. Just $$’s. Easier to justify.
            Rams no way. Goff will get a shot and will be given at least another year even if he sucks.
            Denver? Elway nope.
            SF will not add to their circus. They have their own high priced problem.

      • Irish Sweetness

        A lot of teams are hurting. The Browns just got Whitehurst in. The time to trade Cutler was when we had McCown. Throw Fitzy 5M, you have a roster with a couple of high picks, and you still got Brandon.

        • wreckinball

          Well Hoyer seems like McCown but of course this needed done before the season.
          I think the window has closed.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I don’t see it that way. If Bradford has a market value, it’s insane the think Cutler doesn’t. The Browns would gladly give up a couple of 1st’s and a 3rd for him.

      • Bradford was almost cut. He was def a backup.
        He’s inj prone, and even when in, he didn’t put up numbers like Cutty in Denver coming off that PB year.
        And Cutty had way more upside than Bradford ever did.

        It only takes ONE desperate team.

        But if Cutty is hurt again, the whole trading scenario might be moot anyways, and given how he has played thus far, who the heck knows?

    • BerwynBomber

      But the Bradford thing was perfect timing for the Iggles. Otherwise, I don’t think Bradford fetches that.

    • CanadaBear

      I doubt the Bears get anything for Cutler. Nobody wants him as their starter and he’s paid way too much for a backup. The Bears will have to release him if they want to be rid of him.

      • SOME TEAM has to be as stupid or desperate as the Bears.

        Or did the Vikes use up that card this year?

        • CanadaBear

          The Bears are always a dollar short and a day late. Everybody around the league hates Cutler. Some of it is warranted and some of it is BS but I don’t see him being able to rise above his rep. The Bears always get fucked when it comes to personnel decisions. It’s what they do.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      1st I am in now way defending Cutler but I do have a problem with the following statement.

      “I seen guys with “weaker” arms throw from different platforms make that throw.”

      It was a 49 yard completion, Jeffery was tackled immediately. So you have seen other QBs throw the ball 50+ yards(he was close to 10 yards behind the line) while rolling to his left and throwing to his right off his back foot, with a guy in his face?

      http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Jeffery-hauls-in-49-yard-gain/a842e4a0-26fe-4a6c-8d36-fa397c39bc96

      • I saw a QB this season already make almost the same throw from his backfoot with a guy in his face. I forgot who it was, might’ve been Carr.

        Maybe it went about the same, 50 yds or so, except he hit his WR in stride.

        If so, maybe Cutty should throw it earlier to hit WRs in stride instead of just reverting to jump balls.

        But like I said, for some strange reason, he’s holding on to the ball for way too long.

        Garrapolo was dumping it off at 3.3, and if Hoyer was timed, I think he was too.

        Anyhow, either way I can’t recall Cutler hitting a WR in stride on a Go route.

        • CanadaBear

          On that play, he was immediately flushed from the pocket, rolled left and threw back across his body. Tough throw for sure.

        • PaceBot 2000

          um, when is the last time Cutler had time to step into a throw on a go route? He doesn’t play hurt….he’s a quitter. He plays hurt….and he chooses to hurt the team.
          Which one is it guys? Did you watch the fucking pocket last night? The Eagles didn’t even bother using real stunts. Everything was just bull fucking rush because Whitehair, a hurt Long, Massie and Leno can’t stand up to it.
          Focusing on Cutler again is FULL RETARD when Birdcage simply cannot call an NFL gameplan. It’s unfortunate what people have resorted to on this blog.

          • CanadaBear

            All that is true Johnny but Cutler is an avg QB. He has above avg physical talent coupled with a brain that doesn’t make quick decisions.

          • BillW

            Agree that Cutler is not the problem at all. Sad to see some of his old badness return after essentially a year absence, but as usual there are bigger problems.

            I do look forward (in a sarcastic way) to see what Birdcage does with a QB that likely can’t make the kind of throw Cutler did to Alshon.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          I agree that we rarely see Cutty hitting a guy in stride. I would have loved to see him throw it earlier however the left tackle got beat forcing the play we saw.

  • CanadaBear
    • BerwynBomber

      Very measured take on Cutler. I did not know that in regard to Pace’s/Fox’s/Gase’s initial view of him.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Is anger the wrong emotion? Like Al, for me, it’s really more disgust for this Team.

    • CanadaBear

      I’m not angry. I gave up on that a long time ago. I’m resigned to the fact the Bears will suck until they get a coach that hasn’t retired in place. Fox has completely lost it.

      • wreckinball

        Agree. Had high hopes for Fox but apparently he has already retired. Had some health issues. Probably should have not taken this job.

  • BillW

    Got to look up Hoyer’s stats when I have time, but I think this helps the Bears develop – but I’m assuming a couple things:

    1. He isn’t a turnover machine.
    2. He isn’t in love with his arm

    So no relying on jump balls with Alshon as your bailout offense, Birdcage. You’ll have to put drives together. You’ll have to run the ball more. you’ll have to try to use Kevin White. And you’ll have to try different combinations of receivers/TEs to keep the defense guessing more.

    Oh – and if you run nearly every time the QB is under center, and pass nearly every time the QB is in the gun, don’t you think the other team can figure that out?

    Look – this offense wasn’t playing to Cutler’s strengths. Maybe Birdcage was lazy and figuring/hoping his “star QB” would do all the heavy lifting.

    So now we have a game manager that puts the onus on Birdcage to have a game worth managing.

    • Scharfinator

      I appreciate your rosey glasses analysis. I need me some of that koolaid.

      • BillW

        It’s always been about developing the younger players anyway. We all knew this wasn’t a playoff contender.

        I think the bright lights of MNF against a rookie QB set our expectations too high anyway.

        Besides – hidden in all my rosiness is the expectation that Birdcage won’t be up to the task. I think his inability to devise a game plan and call plays and really coach will be evident. Hoyer is not a playoff caliber QB, but he’s not Todd Collins or Craig Krenzel either. He ought to be able to put something reasonably effective together with him.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog If Jay misses six games, comes back and finishes strong…the narrative could change.”

    Depends on what is at stake. If we are contending, and he plays well, yes. If we are not, and he plays well, it will only mean something to his fans.

    • CanadaBear

      There can’t be many fans left.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Just the rel ones, C-Bear. The way it should be.

        Always next year!

      • BerwynBomber

        You’d be surprised. Btw, I think you and I have debated that topic previously. πŸ˜‰

        • CanadaBear

          Agree but he certainly has fewer fans than the last time we talked about it.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed

    • BillW

      Think about it. If the Bears are contending when he comes back, he shouldn’t start.

      • BerwynBomber

        Again, depends. Didn’t we sit McCown once Jay returned or is memory failing me?

        In other words, if we are winning Shaun Hill-style with Hoyer, I could see a scenario where Cutler replaces him.

        • BillW

          Hypothetical – since it’s unlikely this team will be in contention in 6-8 weeks.

          But if we are, it’s because the QB is doing a good job. Cutler went out doing a bad job (injury related or not).

          It would be a tougher decision that Cutler/McCown (and that was somewhat debated).

          Have to look up the record when Cutler went out then. I don’t think it was 0-fer.

          • Agree.

            NO WAY will the Bears start Cutler if we’re contending in 8 weeks.

            Well, I shouldn’t say no way cuz these are the same clowns that drafted CedDrunk and Shea, but at least they could make some BS excuse like, “Cutty still not fully healed/football shape”.

          • BillW

            Cedrunk? Benson? That’s a long time ago. So who am I forgetting?

            And Pace didn’t draft Shea.

          • The Bears.

            Those clowns.

          • BillW

            Got it.

  • On a coaching note…

    Who has two thumbs and said that “promoting” a hand-me-down is a BAD idea?

    This guy.

    This is like if Alec Baldwin drops out of your movie, and you hire Billy Badlwin to replace him.

    “Hey, he’s still a Baldwin! How can he possibly fuck it up!?”

    It’s the same idiotic logic.

    I was hoping Gase would stay another years, so that we could dump Fox, but that didn’t pan out. Not sure if Gase is forreals, but we know Albino Lovie isn’t going to get us anywhere.
    We thought he could get us at least to .500, but if he can’t even do that, dump him now.

    That team looked unprepared at every level, then when they got that in game meeting going, all the players did was melt down.

    So, dump BirdCage, hire some hot shot OC with eyes for HC (don’t care if it’s from college at this point).

    Fire Fox and staple that Elway article on his forehead on his way out.

    Promote Fangio to interim HC (also, new special teams coach).

    Not sure if the Bears would improve, but at least it’ll show some initiative and perhaps send a msg to the players that the Bears are not just willing to suck.

    It can’t possibly be worse than what we just witnessed, and I have a feeling the players respect Fangio more anyways.

    • CanadaBear

      The roster is pretty thin talent-wise so I’m not sure if the ST’s coach sucks or not.

      • Scharfinator

        Whoever is letting Thompson not take knees has gone full retard.

        • BillW

          Given all that was happening, I think that and the two neutral zone infractions bothered me the most. They weren’t aggressive mistakes; they weren’t getting beat by a better opponent. That was pure stupidity.

    • BillW

      I thought the very thing. I’ve seen that error in logic too many times in business. Promote in place rather than get someone as good or better than what you lost.

      Cutler has had so many OCs why the concern over continuity?

      But no one is getting fired until the end of the season. There are no OCs available now. I think if we finish worse than 6-10 the coaching staff gets an extreme makeover. Fox retires, and who knows what happens.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Vic Fangio thinks he’s still in San Fran. He’s a fuckin’ idiot.

      Have we traded for Fales yet?

  • wreckinball

    Sam Bradford is 28 and like Cutler at that age is thought to have the “talent” . All these thoughts about anything similar in dealing Cutler are delusional at 33.
    He has no guaranteed money next year. He’s not on the Bears next year IMO unless, he gets back in there and leads them on a winning streak, and then only maybe.
    Anyone interested will just sign him FA.

    • 33 is still rather young for a QB.

      If a team believes its window is the next 2-3 years, then I can see us getting a 2nd at least.

      I don’t think we’ll get a 1st and 4rth realistically, but then again, I never thought Bradford would get that either.

      Injuries plus GMs trying to save their own asses make such scenarios possible.

      • CanadaBear

        It’s the Bears, that scenario will never materialize. They will get jack for him. At this point, I wish they would let him walk after this year and move on. I’m guessing his replacement will be worse but after all these years, who cares? Their roster sucks, these fabulous coaches can’t get anyone other than a guy on PUP fired up and there is no hope in sight. I think Pace has done OK trying to rebuild the roster (not great, just OK, very avg) except he has one really bad flaw. Those first rd picks. White sucks moose wang and Floyd’s the fluffer.

        • I think Hub characterized Pace’s drafting style correctly.

          He assessed that Pace goes for the most athletic freak in the 1st, but in the later rounds, prefers “football” over metrics.

          That might explain the disparity.

          Hub also argued that this is not necessarily a bad plan because every GM is looking for the next Von miller or Julio Jones, and sometimes you gotta swing for the fences.

          Still, sometimes a double or triple is what is needed to get the turn around going.

          • CanadaBear

            Totally agree but the Bears have hit on one of those picks (Long). All the rest, not so much.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            That next freak is Jabrill Peppers. I have a man crush on him…

      • wreckinball

        Except Cutler just has a lot of negatives that can’t be explained away enough to get a big time 3rd chance.
        His career path reminds me of Vinny. He is good enough to be on a roster and maybe log some starts but not good enough to drop serious draft choices on.
        He has shed some of the malcontent stuff last year but still its there.

  • Sactowns#1
    • I’m sure those “outraged” by Kap will litter this board with equally righteous indignation.

      • Sactowns#1

        I’m sure they all lit up their twitter and FB accounts this morning with their outrage. lol

      • BillW

        I will say one thing only. We have a system to deal with murderers. It’s broken when it comes to cops. It is being addressed in many areas (even Chicago). That is NOT due to Kaepenick kneeling during the national anthem. He drew attention to himself, or just maybe wanted to buy himself some credibility in the black community.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Was that taken from an eye in the sky?

    • willbest

      Why is this posted? This guy was killed on Friday. Does Kaep have a point because she hasn’t been executed 3 days later? Where is the justice not being done in this instance?

      • SC Dave

        I would say the guy getting shot in the first place.

        • willbest

          Still not following. You give people guns and tell them they have the authority to use deadly force in order to enforce a set of laws, you are going to have these instances. We accept that as a society, because the only alternative is not having police.

          The only question is whether or not the police are acting according to their responsibility and justice is served even when it is the police breaking the rules. This does not appear to be a Chicago instance where the murder video was suppressed until after the election.

          • Sactowns#1

            Actually that’s not the only alternative. Having a highly trained and educated police force,, maybe even one that looks like the community they police would be a huge step in the right direction. Why do we have high school grads who then receive minimal training out roaming the streets with said authority?

          • willbest

            Because its a shitty job. As they say, if you want people to be happy to see you become a Fireman. And if you are black cop you are going to sue for discrimination if they keep sending you to Englewood and Austin, while the white boys get to go to Lincoln Park and Gold Coast.

          • Sactowns#1

            Hu? We pay police more than teachers, they don’t have to pay into their own retirements and they get to retire at 50 y/o (here in CA). Sounds like a sweet gig to me. But I’m too liberal, educated and not former military so they wont touch me. And no, having a requirement that you live in the community you police has been implemented in the past and works quite well.

          • willbest

            You also wouldn’t think the job is worth your risk to your life and aggravation. And I would suspect as nice as you think the pay is, its probably a pay cut considering the cars you talk about owning.

            Yes all police officers live in the city limits of Chicago. all the white city workers live up in Edison park (the farthest northwest corner of the city) and the minority city works live in some south side neighborhood the name escapes me at the moment.

            And there is no way you are going to get police officers to live in places like Austin unless you are paying them $250k a year, and if their neighbors knew that they would be targets anyway.

          • Sactowns#1

            You don’t think the people living in those neighborhoods now have a vested interest in their communities safety? That they would need to be paid $250k to continue living in the same area? I don’t think so.

          • willbest

            You don’t have a wife or kids. You don’t understand. There is zero chance I would subject my family to that if I could afford not to. So who are you going to find? Because the fit, intelligent, calm men that are capable of sizing up volatile situations and taking a measured approach is just the type of man that a woman is going to snatch up.

          • Sactowns#1

            Idk what having a wife or kids has to do with it. My friends dad made it to detective before retiring. He’s a college grad and the father of four. There are lots of great cops out there, we just need more of them and fewer dullards on a power trip.

          • willbest

            Was he living in one of the worst neighborhoods in the US raising his kids there? Seriously its a big deal. I live next to you Sac… I mean that people that did think like you and still try to but their boys and girls come first. Because you really do love them that much, that you aren’t going to be the one to stand up for it, and live in a neighborhood where gangs are killing each other on the street.

            Who are your daughters peers going to be? How are you going to keep her studying when her peers are getting knocked up by gangbangers? She going to get herself knocked up and then you end up killed by your grandson’s father

            http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Off-duty-Richmond-police-officer-killed-in-Vallejo-6823527.php

            You going to get your son killed after 20 years of raising him right just because he is home visiting you?

            http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-officer-son-killed-20160814-story.html

            F that

  • Irish Sweetness

    Eagles Bears
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    280 Yards 284
    21 First Downs 16
    0 Turnovers 3

  • Doc Nitty

    As I said to MB last night.

    Fuck our lives.

  • On an FF note, 200 Baby!

    I made a special trophy called MomBombs200 with Jessica Simpson as the pic.

    Trac after Forte went for 40, “Ridicules!”

    Bam, trac (if you’re lurking)

    And GP juuuust squeaked by Waffle.

    If Alshon had gotten like 3 more yds, he would’ve lost again to Waffle in heart break fashion

  • PaceBot 2000

    I’m not going to go on a super rant here but I want to let you all know that while I am disappointed with the injuries and the coaching and the overall play of our guys I’m kind of more disappointed in most you.
    The team needs real talent in more spots. They need a coordinator that can put together play calls that have purpose behind them and a reason and that play to our strengths. We don’t have that and when you combine that with a hurt QB it’s a bad O scenario.
    The talk going on last night and today is sad to read and also frustrating. Some points are valid, others are so bad it’s hard to address them without going crazy. Look at the vitriol from a fumble and a pick from a quarterback who was playing hurt. He made a mistake and tried to target Alshon to get something going on a play where he was held from yards 1 through 8 going down the field on his route. He was resorting to streetball because Birdcage can’t find a way to call plays with any continuity.
    I want the Cutler era to end because we’re too fucking dumb as a fanbase to realize that the other issues from a total rebuild are all encompassing. NOT ONE PLAYER drafted before 2013 besides Alshon??
    Think about it before you make your next from the hip bleacher nation post.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      Take respite in what Thayer said about Birdcage this morning.

      “It’s like we just call random plays from the book. It’s like the OC isn’t even watching the game.”

      • At this point, I think I would literally hire Nathan Lane over Bird Cage.

        Shit, maybe even Chaz Bono.

        • Freddy G.P. Soft

          More Thayer:

          “Opening series, you MUST go to a set of 4 plays where you KNOW everyone has the blocking assignments. It could be a 3 yard dive play, but everybody KNOWS the SCHEME. To open the game and on the first play leave a guy totally unblocked is criminal coaching.”

          • PaceBot 2000

            The Paulsen missed assignment was disheartening. Everyone at the bar was already screaming for the QB’s head. It’s like people don’t even watch half the time. Blame for everyone today but we have to be honest at some point.

            That bunch formation is bullshit as you’re just asking for the defense to make a play by bringing the best tackler on the team into the box.

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            Massie had a bad game. His 2nd bad game.

            Massie is not a solid RT. Pox fucked that up.

      • PaceBot 2000

        Thayer saying that is the equivalent of a regular citizen shooting someone on the Dan Ryan in a fit of road rage.

      • WP4Life

        You would think birdcage knowing he is the o.c. would of watched tape all summer and scripted like he was calling plays. Seems as if he hasn’t called a game since Titian’s, probably because he hasn’t. What a joke waiting tonthe season to get into the groove of play calling.

    • CanadaBear

      Johnny you can go down with the ship but I’m not. Cutler isn’t the only problem, he’s also not the solution.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Also Cutler tried playing through a fucked thumb. He shouldn’t have. He’s in a tough spot.

        • CanadaBear

          That’s his career with the Bears in a nutshell. He’s been dealt a bunch of bad hands and then played them poorly. It’s definitely a Murphy’s Law type of deal but at some point you have to admit it ain’t working.

      • PaceBot 2000

        I’m not going anywhere my man. I just know what needs to be done and it has to be done in the draft and FA for at least another year. Bring on a young buck and let’s continue the rebuild. At least it will allow some of you guys to then focus on the real issues at hand. I’m all for it.

        • CanadaBear

          Cutler is one of the issues whether you want to admit it or not.

          • BillW

            I don’t think so. He’s not the QB that would lead us to the playoffs if/when that playoff team is built, but the issues are the game plan / preparation.

            Honestly, I think it starts with Birdcage. And maybe Fox for enabling his ineptitude.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, even Blogfather, who seems an avowed Cutler fan, seems to be feeding the Cutler Era Over stuff. I’d prefer we wait for an injury report BUT I can’t blame DBBers for speculating about the future.

      And Biggsy wrote, IMV, a very measured piece today speculating on the same. As he said, talk is gonna happen.

      • It just FEELS over.

        Watch the Bears long enough, and there’s certain games where key players just check out of Chitown (I think Kreutz in that Saints game was another) in one way or another.

        Like Steve Young said, it’s time for the annual Cutler speech, and after that game, I don’t think chicago fans will have to listen to it anymore.

        • PaceBot 2000

          Steve Young still thinks it’s 2012. Listening to him forced me to drink a glass of rum.

          • Scharfinator

            “Forced” lol.

            Gruden elicits similar feelings in me.

          • CanadaBear

            I watched the pre-game hooey and Young was brutal. Too many concussions for sure.

          • WP4Life

            Young…no one on Bears (at least) an average player…
            17, 50,75 etc…
            He sounded little drunk.

          • CanadaBear

            That was the one that got my attention too. He just sounded like a punch drunk fighter trying to organize his thoughts.

    • BillW

      Of course add up all the implied negatives about the Chicago Bears organization you state in your post and you get a bunch of passionate fed up fans that take to a blog to express their disgust with the state of the team. Not any one player or coach.

      And an organization that can’t seem to field a competitive team and a roster that relies on their being no injuries to be even that good.

      I’m willing to give them time. I’ve said it in several posts this season.

    • SC Dave

      I was hoping that we would somehow, someway, find an OC that tailors the offense to the talent at hand. After 50+ years, we still don’t have one.

      So far as Fangio goes, we were too short on talent to do much, but that has been corrected. The defense seems mildly improved – perhaps more time playing together they will be okay. But I’m not holding my breath.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dave, really? We had Trevathan, Freeman, Acho, Callahan, Floyd – any of those guys can blitz, hell, even HQJ or Amos can do it. Talent wasn’t the problem, the lack of will to send an extra man and pressure a greenhorn QB was the problem – it’s Fangio’s basic flaw. He’s running a defense that worked with Niners he had. You can’t rush those 3 or 4 guys we have and collapse pockets. He can’t see that he has to adapt to what he has, and get his pressure from blitzes. He’s just one of those stubborn assholes who will keep no-blitzing, because he believes he’s right.

  • That Guy

    Disagree with the Cutler hate. As Jeff is screaming he should have come out sooner, half the fans (and McPhee apparently) are mad he didn’t stay in longer.

    Jay needs to be open with the team’s trainers and coaches, which I have no reason to believe he wasn’t. He needs to put in his best effort. If the coaches feel he’s not performing, they need to pull him. Players are programmed to want to play and play through pain. You can’t put it on the player to take himself out.

    • BillW

      I didn’t see much indication that he was hurt. But in hindsight I guess some of the short hops were due to the thumb. Yet how did he manage the back foot 60 yards in the air throw with someone ready to flatten him?

      My guess is the thumb was OK enough until he fell on it during the fumble play.

      • CanadaBear

        It looked like it happened on that play.

        • BillW

          But the story is he had ligament damage from the Houston game. Of course, with the new injury reporting, no need to disclose it if you know the guy is going to play. In fact, you CAN;T disclose it unless the guy ISN’T likely to play.

          • That Guy

            No, you still have to disclose if there’s a 99% chance he’s going to play (that’s “questionable”). But if Jay said he was playing, then you don’t disclose.

            I think the fumble is very likely where he aggravated the injury. But something like that, you just never know. He could have injured it on a rough snap, on a big throw, whatever.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            This is one of the reason why I didn’t play fantasy this year. The injury reporting changes last year made it very hard for me to keep track what the hell was going on.

            Also got the new baby, so I want to try and enjoy life for awhile!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I love it. Though I lost my man Woodhead on all my PPR temas. Asiata, Fozzy, Sims, LeBlount. All on waivers. I even found Isaiah Crowell a few places. He’s averaging 7 YPC.

    • BerwynBomber

      True but the ultimate warrior accolades don’t buy much either … at least at this point. Brees never missed a game with Jay’s same MCL injury in 2010. Rodgers played with a torn calf muscle the last half of ’14. Romo played with a punctured lung a few years back.

      Good for Jay to gut out the ligament injury but if you take the field you are judged by your performance. That’s just how it is.

      • WP4Life

        True, judged on play. That is why I think he pulled himself.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yup, agreed. But I assume the critics are arguing he should have pulled himself before the game started.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Given the absolute hatred he’s gotten for six years for the LAST time he pulled himself from a game, can they blame him for not trying to play through an injury?
            Well, yeah, meatballs do.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m sure it’s been in his mind with every injury suffered since.

          • WP4Life

            I don’t get it. If Jay doesn’t play and we get Hoyer, who we saw play the entire 4th.

            I wonder if in GB, they are calling for the same, with rodgers 3 fumbles, and a pick.

            I would guess not. I guess some have their wish of Hoyer now.

          • willbest

            Pretty sure we all wanted Shaw (not over Cutler) but he has a leg.

          • WP4Life

            That injury looked bad. any chance for Shaw late in the year?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Nope.

          • WP4Life

            Hope the kid is ok down the road.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            It sounds like Halas Hall likes him alot, and he definitely flashed…next year should be interesting for him.

          • willbest

            He is on the real IR. Biggys says he is getting a boot on and will be doing some bike work and it should be fully rehabbed by the end of the year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He might be our man. That’s why they ditched Fales?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ready for the playoffs?

          • BerwynBomber

            Hoyer ain’t Cutler but Cutler ain’t Rodgers.

            Whole different kettle of fish in your comparisons.

          • WP4Life

            I would say rodgers team is getting more like the crappy bears teams that we have had, thus rodgers results.

            Football is the ultimate team game.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cheese were worse last year and Rodgers got them to playoffs and almost won two postseason games.

            But he is slipping and their team isn’t as good as it was in ’14.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I htink his thumb was hurting him before the game, then it got whacked. His passes were too good to be true and he pulled himself out.

  • CanadaBear
    • BillW

      I’m looking forward to seeing how Birdcage adjusts to not having a QB he expects to perform miracle throws every series.

    • willbest

      So then the best thing for the team is to lose those games, get Jay back show case his talents (while still losing) trade him for a 1st and a 4th and use our two first round picks on a new QB1 and a new RT

      • BillW

        I like it. Get it done, Bears!

      • CanadaBear

        He’s not bringing a 1.

        • willbest

          Bradford went for a 1. Cutler is Bradford.

          • CanadaBear

            We’ll see. Cutler is Bradford with 5 more years of unsuccessful play.

          • BerwynBomber

            But Jay’s five years older and PHI found the ideal situation when Teddy went down.

      • Sactowns#1

        If you think he will EVER fetch a first then you’re smoking some of that Brad Pit grade green.

        • willbest

          Less than 9 days ago you would have said he would have fetched a 1st and a 4th like Bradford. You are in a funk.

          • Sactowns#1

            No way Jose. Cutty is too old and too injury prone to fetch a first. I think we could get a 2nd and a couple 3rds for him. But given our recent track record idk if that’s workth it. We would just get another Chicken Dinner and two Paea’s

          • willbest

            Pace actually does okay in 2nd (Goldman and Whitehair), its his 1st rounders that are a bit questionable.

          • That Guy

            Wow that sounds familiar, and not in a good way.

            Pace is outsmarted himself this off-season on a number of moves. Gould, not drafting a QB again, Slauson, Forte.

            He’s getting younger, but that only works if your draft strategy pays off.

          • Sactowns#1

            losing Forte really hurt us.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll take the salary. Howard will be fine. Cutting Perry and Rodgers was tough, they were good.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Forte is the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL sports fans. That’s a good line, QB and WR though …

          • Irish Sweetness

            Both are somewhat meh.

          • willbest

            Goldman is a solid if he stays healthy. WH is a rookie playing the wrong position, and has caused me less angst than White.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m not sure he even brings that. Every GM has to know if he brings in Cutler the fan base will automatically hate the GM. Esp when Cutler does what he does best, turn the ball over. Only a desperate GM would sign up for that BS.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The Browns would, they’ve just signed Charlie Whitehurst to be their starting QB.

    • BerwynBomber

      LOL. Somehow it seems so Jay. It’s not the entire season (or half of it), and it’s not something he can play thru at DAL. In short, there is still doubt but hope!!!!!!!

  • SC Dave

    Someone commented on Jeff’s comment about this looking like the 90’s by saying it looks more like the 70’s. Spot on; from Biggy’s 10:

    10a. The Bears are 3-14 at Soldier Field since the beginning of the 2014 season, the worst home stretch since going 2-13-1 from Nov. 21, 1971, to Dec. 16, 1973.

  • BearDown100393

    14-2 R-E-L-A-X
    Hoyer’S got this.

    • CanadaBear

      Somebody got a medical marijuana license for their birthday!

  • WP4Life

    9 and 7. Find a way.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Jordan Howard. We need more Jordan Howard in our lives.
    I was dosed up on Nyquil and missed the second half altogether in a stupor, but I vaguely remember some impressive runs from him. ETA on him starting? Week 4?

    • CanadaBear

      If the coaches had an eye for talent he would be starting next week.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        So, your ETA is more like 2017?

        • CanadaBear

          New coaches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Irish Sweetness

      I have a feeling first snap on offense, and a lot of them after that.

    • SC Dave

      Interesting that people are starting to come around.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    Pitt was banging Russian hookers, Marion Cotillard, and smoking that crazy reefer all the time.

    http://pagesix.com/2016/09/20/angelina-dumped-brad-after-private-eye-uncovered-marion-cotillard-affair/

    So, he was basically living the dream.

    • CanadaBear

      Between all those kids and Angie losing her boobs, it was just a matter of time. Hollywood is a fucker when you’re a good looking woman that’s going over the hill. Not so much for the A-lister guys.

    • Scharfinator

      What did she expect? If they’ll cheat with you, they’ll cheat on you.

    • willbest

      That probably means Pitt bangs all his co-stars since he left Jennifer Aniston for Jolie doing the same damn thing.

    • Sactowns#1

      Nah. now that Billy Bob is making that Bad Santa money they’re getting back together.

      • CanadaBear

        How would you like Billy Bob for a dad? 1 chance in about 10,000,000,000,000 that you would be squared away.

        • Sactowns#1

          Idk, but he’s friends with Dwight Yoakam so at least I would get free live concerts from a rad artist.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Natch. Angie, if you’re out there, and can support my kids …..

      He was banging Mike Tyson’s wife while Tyson was still making booty calls. He has balls.

      Vic Fangio does not.

  • willbest

    My takeaways

    The D is 1 pass rushing playmarker away from being legitimate (when healthy). Those guys get paid like QBs these days for a reason though.

    Our o-line is in desperate need of a right tackle. I have a hard time believing after last night that Leno-Sitton-Larsen-Whitehair-Long isn’t the best combo.

    Horward really is our best RB and Carey our second, Langford will not be on the team next year.

    If this team wins more than 5 games Cutler is going to be our starting QB next year. The Eagles had to go all in on Wentz. I don’t see Pace doing what needs to be done to move up to #1 to get that QB, unless we are drafting #4 already. I basically see them trading back up into the first to get a promising player like Lynch who will back Cutler up next year.

    The OC needs to go.

    The kicker needs to go, find one of these 22-23 year olds on the street and just cycle a new one through every couple weeks until you land a competent one.

    • CanadaBear

      The problem with Kyle at RT is the torn labrum. When they reach out in front of them that’s when the torn labrum is the biggest problem. At RT he will be reaching a lot more. I’m guessing Long goes down for the year when the Bears officially throw in the sponge for the year. I think Kyle should get it fixed now. This year isn’t going to be saved by him playing below par.

      • willbest

        Whats the swing tackles name? Adams. Put him out there, I find it hard to believe it could be worse.

        • CanadaBear

          Can’t argue with that. I’m sure that $6 mil they gave Massie is trending towards buyers remorse. JW said that Massie was awful from the very beginning. JW knows things!

          • BerwynBomber

            I believe the book on Massie was that he was a good run blocker but a bad pass blocker, and the latter was why the Cards were willing to let him walk for the money.

          • willbest

            Then he should be getting paid like a 6th lineman not a 2nd tier starter.

          • CanadaBear

            Read the same thing. JW always said he was a stiff. I was hoping he was wrong. Oh well.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You who looked all of his 6M ? Eddie Royal. Wow. L’il Devin.

          • willbest

            As far as I am concerned Royal needs to play like a 10 million WR to make up for last year. He is so far holding up his end of the bargain.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Weaver is on the PS I think.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agree with your QB assessment BUT it is dependent on two things. (Well, three if you count them not holding a February parade in Soldier, Grant Park or on LaSalle):

      1) Fox or someone from the current staff remains (can’t imagine saddling a fourth regime with Cutty)

      2) Cutty has to buy into being a bridge/mentor guy

      In regards to #2, I always thought he would. Or more specifically, Jay seemed like a decent teammate who wouldn’t freeze out a young guy a’la what Farve purportedly did in GB; moreover Jay might actually look forward to the day of wearing a ballcap and advising. Which isn’t to slam his competitiveness, more that he might be content family-wise and willing to step away from the limelight at this point in his career.

      But what gave me pause this off-season was when he publicly said he didn’t think the Bears should draft a QB.

      Anyway, it will be up to Pace and the coaches to assess things at the end of the season, but I do think those two aforementioned things will play a part in the decision.

      • willbest

        He said that with qualification though. He said he understood them drafting a QB, but he said that he wanted somebody to help him/team win now. That just feels like him being a competitor.

        • BerwynBomber

          Fair enough. I wasn’t following things too closely this past off-season. Just picking up chatter here and there.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Interesting OL. Long is big enough, I don’t get his beef.

      Whitehair palyed tackle didn’t he?

      How about :

      Leno – Sitton – Larsen – Long – Whitehair ?

      Lasike / Howard.

      Pound it.

      • willbest

        He does have a gimp shoulder. He probably should have been shut down until the bye but we have dick all on the line. And he is a mauler. I just hope its not another McPhee further destroying an injury on meaningless play. And given we just lost our offensive and defensive captains, its pretty fucking meaningless.

  • BearDown100393

    We need to remember that preseason is meaningless and not an indicator toward the regular season.

    • BillW

      So very true. Looking forward to the start of the season.

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  • willbest

    Wonderful… we are losing Trevathan for a spell. He needs thumb surgery.

    • BearDown100393

      It’ll be alright. Next man up.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Timu, Anderson … they’ll get some looks. Not like we need Danny now.

  • willbest

    I have to hand it to the injury bug. Ordinarily it is a slow burn losing a player a week. This losing 7 starters in 1 week is a brand new experience.

  • willbest

    Lol, I don’t know if this is legit but its funny if it is

    https://i.sli.mg/VCAdIw.png

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Last night was tough to take, but the season is still young. Things need fixing but injuries can down right kill a season, especially this early.

    • willbest

      Cutler out weeks
      Trevathan out weeks
      Goldman out weeks
      Amos and Callahan are not likely to clear concussion protocol in 6 days
      Houston maybe season ending

      Its a pretty well developed season…

      • BerwynBomber

        Cutty only has a sprained thumb. I would be surprised if he missed the DAL game.

        Big news will be the extent of Goldman’s injury. He’s a long-term piece.

        • Johnnywad

          I read sprained ankle today.

    • willbest

      On the bright side we will probably get neckbrace back. He was close to playing this week from what I gathered.

  • BillW

    What was with the guy doing the sideline reporting for the Bears? As someone commented at the time, he did in fact sound drunk. I think he went on once and only once. I seriously wondered if he was talking a mix of English and another language.

    • BearDown100393

      Staley Da Bear was accidently mic’d.

    • TBC

      Hahah I was wondering the same thing. They showed him later and he was the Spanish-speaking broadcaster for the Bears. It all made sense after that.

    • Big Mike

      I thought they had a special needs guy doing the sideline reporting when I heard him.

  • Irish Sweetness

    The pitchforks are out for Cutty I see. He had problems with his thumb last week? He gets a bang on it and now it’s fucked?

    {DON’T DO IT IRISH!}

    When did he hurt his thumb? First half? Or 5 minutes into the third?

    (GROAN)

    Maybe … just maybe …. that was the cause for his performance. Some of those throws were just too bad. He looke dgood lat season. Good this pre-season. Good-ish last week. He doesn’t turn into a muppet overnight. There’s got to be a thing with his thumb.

    Players that won’t be available next week:

    Goldenboy.
    BOTH safeties.
    Goldilocks.
    Houston.
    Trevathan needs thumb surgery!

    Unfortunately Jeremy is fine. We carry his 3.0 YPC and 3 receptions on the season with Howard’s 7.3 into next week. May the best man win.

    Lasike’s blocks are beautiful on re-watching. If we pound the rock with Howard, bring Larsen in at Center and have Cody back up Long and Sitton, we might actually move the chains with Hoyer doing some playaction. But without a pass rush or even safeties …

    • BillW

      As usual, the problems go so far deeper than Cutler that it’s impossible to even say he’s a problem.

    • willbest

      Maybe Irish, however the interception that caused him to go to the locker room, was in addition to being a bad throw it was a bad decision. He threw it behind Jeffery who was going to have to make a baller play to prevent it from being picked off by the DB trailing behind him. But also he should have seen the LB? coming across the middle of the field and never thrown it at Jeffery to begin with.

      ed. And it was an even worse decision because Cutler knew his thumb sucked so he shouldn’t have been trying to thread anything.

      • WP34

        have you rewatched the game already? I havent yet. I seemed to think he was trying to get to 17 with the other backer on the sideline side of 17. if wasn’t picked 17 it would of caught it on his left hip (i think)

        • willbest

          I haven’t re-watched it, it seemed to me that 17 was going to have to do more than catch it off his left hip, he was going to need to dive back. Then again 17 has a ridiculous catch radius so maybe I just felt it was too far away from him when it wasn’t. But even if that were the case the DB was right there to knock it out of his outstretched arms anyway. He was covered on that play.

  • BillW

    “It’s in the rant but I think this week becomes the most important in Fox’s tenure thus far. Another dud & this train can get way off tracks.”

    I think as fans we underestimate the tolerance coaches and management have when things aren’t going well. I doubt there is anything at all that would come of another stinker against Dallas. Given the injuries, the team will likely praise anything looking reasonably competent.

    Again, I think Pace and Fox know what they don’t have. At most, I would hope they realize Birdcage is over his head – but they aren’t going to fire a guy after three games – with no viable replacement.

    This might be a put up or shut up game for Langford though.

    • willbest

      Well to them its a business. And sometimes bad shit happens. But to us it looks insane when Howard gets what 2 carries for 7.5 yard average and then he isn’t just fed the ball 15 more times.

    • BearDown100393

      Fox should take over the play calls. End #BirdCage now. (He was a DC before a HC, he’s been around long enough to know what needs to be done)

      • willbest

        You are supposing Elway didn’t have his number. Guy is a horses ass but he might be right.

        • BerwynBomber

          Elway is the Harbaugh of GMs: an apparent dickhead whom you would hire in a second.

  • Irish Sweetness

    And with the fourth pick of the 2017 NFL draft …. the Chicago Bears select …. DeShone Kizer.

    Eh?

    Anyone watch the series that followed Notre Dame? They had a kid that looked good – Malik Zaire. Got injured, replaced by this guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ezvjChIqQo

    Keep Cutty another year, let him train up Kizer. Or there’s always Zaire when he comes out.

  • BerwynBomber

    Cutler sprained his thumb. No surgery expected. (He may not even miss DAL game.)

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17595974/jay-cutler-chicago-bears-right-thumb-sprain-not-expected-need-surgery

    • Irish Sweetness

      He had it operated on in college, he was probably worried. Okay. F@@k, I was kind of getting used to the idea of drafting Kizer. The defense may help us do that anyway.

    • BearDown100393

      Cutler will play. He shows up.

      • willbest

        If Jay dresses I want him holding the clipboard. I know he is a competitor but it does us no good if that thing doesn’t heal. Either because
        1) It will make him look more like shit reducing his trade value or
        2) It won’t win us this game and get our season back on track.

        • BerwynBomber

          There will be a lot of looks around the league if he doesn’t play because of a sprained thumb. Hell, there might even be some because he took himself out of the game last night. Cutler is undoubtedly aware of that.

          • BearDown100393

            I haven’t read anything negative.

          • BerwynBomber

            Good then

        • SC Dave

          If his hand is not working, he should not start.

    • Big Mike

      oh yippee

      • PaceBot 2000

        jesus mike

        • Big Mike

          I’m in a foul mood. That game was a shit show. Poor execution of a terrible offensive game plan. You could see the talent trying to break free. Only to be throttled by Cutler. I am a huge Jay Cutler supporter. But c’mon. Give us something to work with. As for the OC, simply not ready.

      • CanadaBear

        That’s the spirit Mike!

        • Big Mike

          I’m in mourning.

  • BearDown100393

    This is the 20th time the Bears began a season 0-2. The previous 19 times, the Bears at 0-2 missed the playoffs.

    This is our year. We’re due.

  • TBC

    I understand that optimism is the entire quintessence of this blog (or at least its creator), but someone needs to acknowledge the fact that everyone in the national media had the Bears in the bottom quadrant of the league, drawing scoffs of denial toward the “out-of-town stupid” from the DBB groupthink. Everyone else is watching the Bears and nodding “yep, right on schedule”, while y’all (and some other Chicago factions) are losing your collective mind.

    I’m wondering if some of Jeff’s (and others’) rage is rooted in the fact that he’s got egg on his face after defiantly backing the Bears (as is his wont) so hard this offseason and watching them pee down their legs.

    It’s still early, and the Bears can rebound to have a season equal to or better than last year, but Jeff (and some of you) are acting like you didn’t even consider the possibility that the Bears could suck ass this year…. Which, if you’ve been paying attention to this franchise, is a fucking ridiculous concept.

    • BearDown100393

      The national media will be proven wrong. This team will right itself.
      As for egg on one’s face, worry about your down trending team. And the upcoming games facing an ass whipping by the Bears.

      • TBC

        The Bears might bounce back and have a successful season. You’re right. They also might just suck, like they have for the last 5 years. The Bears could even win the fucking Super Bowl! That’s how unpredictable this league is.

        The point is… When everyone else says team X is probably gonna suck, and then you suggest that everyone else is ignorant or dumb, and then team X does actually suck…. This is what happens. Cognitive dissonance, embarrassment, and anger.

        And really I just don’t understand how – even if you thought the Bears coils be good – their performance so far could be such a shock.

        • BearDown100393

          The only one really angry seems to be you.

          • TBC

            The title of this blog post – written by Jeff- is “Angry Response to Eagles loss”.

            Do you think before you speak (type)?

          • Scharfinator

            NOT WHEN WERE ANGRY AS FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

          • BearDown100393

            Maybe you are Jeff?

          • Scharfinator
          • TBC

            Lol nice

        • Freddy G.P. Soft

          I got the shit kicked out of me in the pre-season for suggesting 6-10, and I think SC Dave told me I was his Debbie Downer.

          Which is ridiculous on it’s face, as any cursory reading of SC Dave can tell you several things:

          Jack Lacan is his alter-ego
          He uses plenty of downers himself. I think he keeps candy colored Quaaludes by his laptop while he watches.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If …

        Cutty is okay …..
        … and Larsen comes in at center and Whitehair goes to RT …
        … and Howard starts … and Meredith starts …. and Timu plays well … Acho and Willie on the outside … and somebody steps up at nose (can we sign Terry back please?)

        …. we could win games.

        • Big Mike

          Whitehair wasn’t the problem. Langford wasn’t the problem. Problem was #6. holding the ball too long, bad decisions, terrible throws. Coaching staff sucked.

    • willbest

      I am going to file this under little man in misery loves company.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Actually Cheesy, it’s all just theatrical drama to help propigate a fellowship that has become an addiction. We love our misery here.

      • TBC

        Nothing wrong with that

    • beninnorcal

      Cheesy, ‘everyone in the media’ also had your Pack as a top 3 club, that doesn’t exsctly look to be the case either.

  • Irish Sweetness

    An end to the “pre-season is meaningless” ‘argument’.

    Tell it to the undefeated Vikings, Ravens, Texans and Eagles. All undefeated in pre-season. All 2-0.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000706403/article/hmm-perfect-preseason-teams-all-remain-undefeated

    • willbest

      What is the analysis of 3-1 teams with the loss being game 4?

  • willbest

    Bears opened as 7 point dogs to the Boys. Vegas must think Cutler is going to play.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We were 4 point favorites over the Eagles. We have no chance of covering that. No Goldman and Trevathan in the middle means fun for Elliott. Prescott will eat our new safeties alive.

      • willbest

        I have seen both cowboy games. Elliot isn’t even the best back on that team.

        • BearDown100393

          He’s Langfordish

          • BerwynBomber

            Except he fumbles more. Langford has only fumbled once in his career (last night). Elliot fumbled twice just on Sunday.

          • Irish Sweetness

            PSSHHHT!

            I prefer Perry to Langford and we cut him too.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Morris looked good. Prescott looks good. Their Defense isn’t good, poor old Marinelli has jack shit available to him. Should be a scrap. We could run it against them with Howard in play.

      • Big Mike

        Trevathan is out?

        • willbest

          He needs thumb surgery.

          • Big Mike

            Great..

    • willbest

      Also, I have a feeling this new injury report is going to be brutal on gamblers. If Cutler were listed as probable with a throwing hand injury the line would have been vastly different.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I don’t think Cutty playing will make any difference to the result. Likely his thumb will hurt too, or get hurt again, which means more of the same.

        • willbest

          I was referring to us being favorites against the Eagles.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ah. There was no way we should have been favorites, but if they know Cutty has an injured thumb, they can attract bets by making the Bears favorites, which they did.

      • TBC

        The line doesn’t actually move as much as you’d think. I remember back in 2014 – when Rodgers was vintage Rodgers – a handicapper said he moved the line about 7.5 and that was by far the most significant. He said Cutler was worth 2 points. Gronkowski only moved the line 2.5 points in week 1 and he is one of the best players in the league. It seems crazy but that’s how it works. I guess it is a team game after all.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Gambling is brutal on gamblers, Will.

  • Big Mike

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    Thinking about skipping this season.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      By the time the air gets a chill, I will not see any Bears swag in the Loop again. No scarves, hats, nada. I will see the occasional Packer swag but the orange and navy will vanish.

      I’m not really sure the McCaskeys care as long as the games sell out. But their leadership is killing this storied franchise.

      • Big Mike

        Blah.. McCaskeys aren’t the culprits. Fox was wildly supported by everyone. That’s the McCaskeys only input. GM and Coach.

        • willbest

          I was at best indifferent to Fox because he felt like a placeholder HC. I wasn’t sold on Gase either. I don’t recall who I was lobbying for so I must not have been particularly passionate about anybody at the time. I did go on record here or someplace saying I would be okay with Rex Ryan so that was a mistake.

          • BerwynBomber

            I can’t remember if I lobbied for a specific HC, but post-’14, I lobbied for going the cheap bridge guy (Butt Fumble and Glennon were my top choices) and drafting/developing a young kid under qb-whisperer-like OC route. Gase fit the latter role but obviously he had bigger fish to fry.

          • SC Dave

            I was hoping Gase would stick another year (2016), the team would improve since we might have pass receivers for most for season, and then Gase would succeed Fox in 2017.

            Water under the bridge.

          • EnderWiggin

            “bigger fish to fry”… /chuckle

          • Irish Sweetness

            Arians would have done no better with this roster, he’s just a shouter.

        • CanadaBear

          I was OK with Fox because I thought he would restore order and get the team trending in the right direction. I never thought he would take the Beloved to the Promised Land but anything to stop the bleeding. Little did I know he’s totally lost his fastball (if he ever had one) and seems to be retired in place. The Bears have come out flat under Fox about the same amount of games as during all of Lovie’s tenure. That’s the part that has shocked me. Oh well.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And they’ve given us nothing but bullshit GMs. Seriously, WTF does Ryan Pace know about football? Probably got the job because his dad is a mason.

    • CanadaBear

      Holy Crap BM that was a fast turnaround! You were the one trying to convince me to look on the bright side. I’m bummed that the Bears are even worse than I thought but I’ll still follow the season. With almost no emotional investment.

      • Big Mike

        it was a heartless performance by Cutler and the Offensive Coordinator. Good men were out on that field busting their dicks. Freeman, Long, Sitton, Whitehair, Langsford, Howard, Young, Jefferies, Glen, Amos, and Cutler just pissed his pants. The OC didn’t move the pocket one time. The Bears are like 1-12 over their last 13 home games.

        • willbest

          Dodging a player and hitting Jeffery 50 yards down the field was heartless? The quick hits to Royal? The dumb ass was down there trying to tackle his own interception again. You can dog him for poor decisions, but fuck heartless.

          • Big Mike

            yeah, I know. I love some of the plays Cutler makes. I love how tough Cutler is. Heartless probably isn’t the word. But the team didn’t have a soul on Offense. Something. Don’t even know what. But the net on Cutler is that he’s slightly above average with the ability to make exceptional plays that only elite QBs can make, he’s also capable of making plays that scout team QBs make.

          • CanadaBear

            The OL is shit. Hopefully they will at least try to pound the rock with Howard this Sunday. He looked big and fast. If it’s up to Hoyer and the WR’s, with this OL, uh-oh.

          • Big Mike

            Let’s be clear, the Tackles were shit. The results were shit. But, inside we did pretty well. I like Sitton, Whitehair, Long.

          • CanadaBear

            Fair enough but Kyle is probably about 75% at best. I just hope he doesn’t screw it up worse playing.

          • Irish Sweetness

            3/5 of it is shit. With Leno-Sitton-Larsen-Long-Cody .. it’s only 1/5 shit .. .Leno.

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure why you’re in love with Larsen. He’s Massie on the inside of the line.

      • Big Mike

        Here’s what I’m focusing on. My 8th grade team is off to a 3-0 start. We’ve outscored opponents 74-8

        https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1E6nMpYngnFWTBzTWd4cWtTejA/view?usp=sharing

        We had been running outside quite a bit and Coach Big Mike said time to take away their soul. We pounded the rock with a FB dive 3-4 plays in a row. This is the first one.

        • My FF is team is 2-0 and I’m the top scorer.

          That’s where my energy is going to from now on, as per tradition.

          Little earlier than usual.

          • Big Mike

            How you like my boys. Great bunch of kids

            Sent from Gmail on my iPhone

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dude, you have ONE team?

    • WP4Life

      Hang in there dude. I first look for yours and JW posts, to me u two seem the most level headed and knowledgeable. Check out JW twitter feed, it helped me this am.

      9 and 7.
      and beat GB.

  • Big Mike

    Last night before the game, I had a great day. Shot a round of golf, broke 90. Had a great practice coaching, picked up some wings, went to my brother’s place. We were looking at schedule picking out our road trip game for the year. We hit on TB on Nov 13th. Haven’t been to TB in a while. Through the first half, we’re wondering what the fuck is wrong with the offense. Pieces of it look good. Defense starting to work together. 2nd half.. WTF a tsunami of awful, wrapped up with injuries all over the place.

    Thinking about reinvesting TB budget coming to Chicago for Cubs playoff games.

  • BearDown100393
    • Scharfinator

      I mean… he has been horrible the last few seasons.

  • BearDown100393
  • willbest

    Houston has ACL injury, he won’t be a Bear next year.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “We have met the enemy and he is us.”- Pogo Possum (Walt Kelly).

  • WP34

    4 and 4 at break.

    W dallas, detroit, jacksonville, (pick gb or minn)
    L (gb or minn), colts

    • AlbertInTucson

      All THOSE team’s fans are looking at THEIR schedules and putting “W”s next to the Bear games.

  • WP34

    @Rich_Campbell
    Bears NT Eddie Goldman is expected to miss 4 weeks with a high left ankle sprain, source says. Team hopes he’s back for Oct. 20 at GB.

    Same game as Mcphee to be back.

    • SC Dave

      Better news than it could be, for sure.

  • BerwynBomber

    Too early to toss in the towel but we could be approaching a point where it is time to tell Long to sit and heal.

  • BearDown100393
  • AlbertInTucson

    “It’s only week 2”

    And the Bears are already irrelevant.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Have been for ten years, Al.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “…soldier Field will be lifeless.”

    Will be?

    It seemed pretty lifeless last night.

    A rookie QB was able to come right out and run no huddle with barely a peep to contend with from the home crowd.

    • willbest

      I have only been to about 7-8 NFL games all but 1 at Soldier Field (the other at Ford Field). However, I have been to numerous college games in probably a dozen different stadiums at this point and it seems to me that

      1) The requirement to build SF into the existing structure resulted in sound dampening acoustic design.

      2) The wind off the lake retards sound transmission

      3) Its missing about 10,000 people relative to other NFL stadiums, and probably 20-25,000 considering its market size

      4) The result of #3 and the NFL popularity generally is that the ticket prices are sky high, and the fans that end up filling the stadium are more… reserved? than the average NFL enthusiast.

      5) There are other things to spend money on in Chicago than football and so a place like GB where these average fan will pony up to go to a Packers game, in Chicago you can go to 3-4 cubs games

  • AlbertInTucson

    “We are in the middle of what could be a dark period for Chicago Bears football.”

    COULD be?

    Holy CRAP! If it gets any darker around here we’ll need a guide dog.

    • beninnorcal

      And a canary.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That means another 30 years of no Lombardis.

  • BuddhaJoe

    What’s been bugging me about Pace and Fox is that they haven’t been rebuilding so much as dismantling. The offense was good other than the line and they were brought in to fix the defense. Instead, they got rid of the good players on offense and now it’s a dumpster fire while defense is only marginally better than the franchise worst from the two years before.

    Now, we don’t give up 50-burgers, but still can’t stop mediocre offenses from marching right down the field. And the offense is as bad as the defense was two years ago.

    Maybe they sort it out and my 9-7 was accurate, but after last night I can’t point to a single game on the schedule that they “should” win.

    • It’s hard to stop opposing offenses when our own O goes 3 and out, or turn it over, and they have to march right back out again.

      Fangio is indeed bend-don’t-break, which means they’ll be on the field bending for long periods of time (like the 7 min drive).

      That type of D gets exposed when our own O gives the ball right back.

      Irish is right in that Fangio still thinks he has the Smiths from SF collapsing the pocket with the front 4.

      Our front 4 CAN NOT collapse shit, and he’s been reluctant to blitz.

      Fangio blitz a bit more this time around though, including a CB blitz, but still, if our O is just giving the ball right back, it’s only a matter of time b4 the dam breaks, as it did late in the game.

      You can tell that D just threw in the towel after that stupid ass Cutty int (Why else would McPhee get in his face?), which was further compounded by injuries.

      • BuddhaJoe

        I agree with some of that but disagree with some too. The D gets tired because of the 3 and outs, but also because the stupid bend-don’t break philosophy keeps them on field too long by giving up easy 5-10 yard plays. Hell, it only worked for Lovie for a couple of years and that’s because his D had Ulracher, Briggs, Peanut, Mike Brown, etc. They need to attack more and force more punts to get off the field (which they did a little bit but not early enough).

        As dumb as that pick was, everybody is going into Hate Cutler mode for a 1 pick game when he was the only reason we were in it anyway. The play calling was atrocious and more predictable than Ron Fucking Turner. The tackles could’ve been replaced by mannequins and the TE’s were no blocking help. And the running game sucked, but mainly because of the two previous factors I mentioned. Can’t run when they know it’s coming, and can’t throw when you only get a clean pocket on two/three plays tops.

        • Like Canada said, Cutty is not the only problem, but he’s not part of the solution either.

          I’m probably the first one on the board to voice major concern over promoting Birdcage (shit, I gave him his nickname), but I’m pretty sure he didn’t say, “Hey, see that LB, just throw it right at his number” or “hey, don’t worry about stepping up in the pocket, just chuck it backpeddling while staring down the receiver”.

          They both deserve each other.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Can’t agree. He’s more than enough to win, but not good enough to transcend shitty talent around him. I know people always say that Cutler “apologists” keep making excuses for him, but that’s because they’re still true. Haven’t had a good line since Tait, St. Clair and Kreutz were still on the team. Other than Gase, his best coaching was a long ago washed-up Martz. He rarely had targets and when he did, they would dump them for stupid reasons. Hell, his best target most of the time was Forte, and as good as he is that’s fucked. Other than hall of famers, I can’t think of a QB that would have even survived, let alone do what he has.

            That’s not to say he’s elite, but better overall QBs than him would’ve done worse on our O.

          • willbest

            Bushrod-Slauson-Garza-Long-Mills was solid. Especially when Cutler had 4 beastly threats in Forte-BMarsh-Jeffery-MartyB. Of course while good in pass protect, run blocking wasn’t that hot, not that we did much of it anyway under cryptkeeper.

          • BuddhaJoe

            They were pretty good, and that year they were one of the highest scoring O in the league. That’s kinda my point, he’s good if the pieces around him are competent. But he can’t turn shit into gold.

          • SC Dave

            Trestman was the best OC we had in a long time. Had he stayed there (not HC), I think the O would have been much better than it is now.

          • CanadaBear

            Did you forget year 2? That O went nowhere.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yah, folks definitely over-reacted on Cutty. That injury meant he couldn’t throw the ball. I’l accept that. He didn’t get terrible overnight.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “This team is worse than they were a year ago.”

    Isn’t that exactly what David Haugh said before the opener in Houston….?

  • Freddy G.P. Soft
    • willbest

      Ain’t no privilege like hot girl privilege. Problem with women like that is they go through life not hearing “no” and when shit doesn’t just happen for them they don’t know how to handle it.

    • beninnorcal

      What a bitch.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    β€œFlat out missed it. It happens,” Barth said. β€œThis was perfect conditions, really. It was a great night. It’s just one of those ones, as soon as I hit I said, β€˜Well, that’s not good.’

    β€œI’ve never been a guy to overanalyze stuff. I had a good pregame. Good warmup. It’s one of those ones, I just flat out missed it. I don’t know that I could do that again.”

    Fuck you. It happens to shitbirds. It doesn’t happen to NFL level talent.

    • BearDown100393

      #Gould

      • willbest

        would he have made that? He isn’t on a team yet.

        • MB30SD

          No, he gould have missed it too

          • MB30SD

            Hee hee

  • AlbertInTucson

    I’m just wondering when, exactly, did Fox and Fangio forget how to coach in the NFL?

    • TBC

      Am I mistaken, or hasn’t the knock on John Fox always been: “Great coach mon-sat, lousy on Sunday”

      ???

      • You did not forget.

        Or as “Why your team sucks said”

        “John Fox. The perfect coach for when you want to win, but not win too much.”

      • BearDown100393

        Geezus are you really commenting about Fox after Grimus’ flip flopping on play calling?

        • EnderWiggin

          lol ‘Grimus’

      • SC Dave

        We were hoping he’d bring us back to respectability. So far, not so much. But the season is still young.

        • willbest

          Last year was respectable they won more games than they had any business winning with that defense and were 1 score away in 4 others?

          I don’t know what the hell happened this year.

          ed. Unless Emery can put together a better roster than Pace. There was rumblings that Fox wasn’t happy with everything Pace did this off season.

          • That Guy

            I posted about this in the off-season. We got rid of Forte, B Marsh and Marty. They were the three most productive players on offense (excepting Alshon). We did not do enough on the offense to replace that production.

            – White was supposed to replace Alshon while Alshon replaced Marsh. Instead, Royal has stepped up as the #2 and White is playing like a rookie. The passing game is okay, but certainly nothing that we couldn’t build on.
            – Langford was supposed to replace Forte but there was no indication that would happen and it has not.
            – Miller continues to play like last year. Nobody else is doing anything at TE.

            We’ve probably lost 500-1000 of offensive production and there is no sign of where we get it back.

            Defense is a more complicated story, but we just got plain worse on offense this year. Its not clear at all what Pace is planning.

            Likewise specials, but the story is easier to tell: Gould is better than Barth.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We also depleted the line by addition. We draft a tackle to play guard … then ply him at Center. Cody Whitehair is not helping this team at Center – he is a liability. Fox can play Larsen who can do it – but doesn’t!

      • Johnnywad

        He coached in two Super Bowls. Not sure where the bar is set but that’s pretty impressive by my standards.

        • Lovie coached in 1 and was one game away from coaching in another.

          Last I heard, he’s sucking massive lovie balls in the minor leagues.

          • Johnnywad

            True. But there can be a big difference between “can’t win” and “isn’t winning”.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And probably should have been starting Kyle Orton and sticking with TJ. He didn’t give us a chance in that SB, Manning was terrible.

    • AlbertInTucson

      And what are the odds they’d forget at the same time?

      • SC Dave

        1 in 1, evidently. But patience, Al.

        They gutted the roster. Expecting it all to gel in a couple of months seems optimistic.

    • be fair: the defense has been pretty solid through 2 weeks. Not as good of a pass rush as I had hoped, but solid overall. The offense is what’s been sucking it up.

      • willbest

        I don’t know about that. Both Oz and Wentz gift wrapped TDs for Fuller V and Mathews and they decided not to open their presents. And Glenn’s PI was so impossibly flagrant that the ref was in too much disbelief to throw the flag. And then there is the problem where they don’t bother to play the first series until they are inside their own 10 yard line.

        The offense isn’t even missing in the explosive plays. The problem is they have way too many -2 to 2 yard plays and not enough 4-7 yard plays.

        • That Guy

          We had six yards rushing in the first half if I’m not mistaken. Nobody can win with those numbers.

        • For some odd reason, we’re getting no push from our Oline.

          Whitehair, Sitton and Long are good.

          On paper, they stack up against anyone.

          this tells me it’s just bad coaching.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m wondering if we end up getting duped a tad on Sitton. Nothing major, but a bit like Bushrod, where in the end he proved an okay signing (I guess) but nothing spectacular.

            I watched a good deal of Cheese last year — they’re hard to avoid — and pass protection-wise they were at the bottom of the league. They had a couple of marquee games against DEN and ARI where Rodgers was creamed. Like 9 sacks typed creamed against latter.

            Now take into account that Rodgers can make a line look better than it is, as can guys like Brady, R-berger, Newton, Wilson and Brees, if all in different ways.

            It would be interesting to know how many OL who played with elite QBs and then signed nice paydays with other teams lived up to their contracts. Remember, Bushrod came from the Saints.

          • SC Dave

            They have played together for two weeks. Give it a little time.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Langford averaged 2.5 YPC against the Eagles. He’s a lot to do with it. He’s Garret Wolfe. He’s got 3 receptions on the season so he’s not even helping there.

            Howard was averaging 7.3 YPC once he was benched … what changed?

      • BuddhaJoe

        It’s better than the absolute shit show of two years ago. But they still give up way too many easy yards and get gassed by not forcing punts early. The secondary has been a pleasant surprise however.

      • SC Dave

        Two different games. This week, the defense was much better except for going 0 for 3 on 4th down.

      • AlbertInTucson

        There are two kinds of fair: State and County.

        The lack of any consistent pressure on the opponent’s passer is just infuriating ESPECIALLY when all you see is pressure on the passer when the Bears have the ball.

        This front 7 was supposed to be “New and improved” and when it comes to pressuring the passer and I ain’t seein’ it.

        • Irish Sweetness

          They’re there, he just has to send them.

        • that’s why I said solid and not good. Overall they’ve limited things reasonably well, even if they’re not making as many plays as I’d like.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Woodsy, if you think that defense is solid, I don’t know what to say. It’s not that we can’t get to the passer, but that Fangio literally prohibits it. How do you get turnovers if you don’t rush the passer? Where do strip-sacks and interceptions come from? Why do they happen? Pressure.

        We lost to Osweiler and Wentz-ld teams, we offered them no resistance and shepherded them to victory.

        Vic Fangio has NO balls.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Prediction. By end of season Bears will have a top 10 defense. ”

    Not if they have to cart half of it off the field every other week.

    And Lamar Houston will not be part of it.

    He done for the year.

    • willbest

      Last night was like one of those over the top horror movies that ends up being comical

    • I’m a bit worried.
      Will there be 22 NFL plane crashes?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Willie and Floyd/Acho can cover that stuff.

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  • BerwynBomber

    So it sounds like the major injuries are Huston (season) and Goldman (month). The tricky one might be Trevaithan’s. Hard to know what type of time he will miss.

    Everyone else should be day-to-day, or at worst, week-to-week.

    • willbest

      Can’t really put a club on an LB’s hand and its the thumb so you can’t just bind it to a neighboring finger.

    • beninnorcal

      What about Jay? One headline I saw earlier said it could be a ‘long-term’ injury.

      • RenoBear

        I’ve been reading 3-4 weeks, no surgery… but we know how that can change. Unfortunately the ligament damage is in the same thumb he broke against the Chargers in 2011 and had surgery on… that dude is going to have some serious arthritis in that thumb later in life

      • BerwynBomber

        Valid question. But Fox seemed to insinuate he might play against DAL. Then again, it is hard to know if Fox is just keeping DAL guessing.

        But the big news seems to be no surgery.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Behind that line perhaps it’s best he has a holiday.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Blogfather properly referenced (and condemned) this:

    You KNOW your tackles can’t handle edge rushers but you INSIST on calling deep drop backs.

    That is god damned “Martz 2.0.”

    • Irish Sweetness

      Don’t let Whitehair off the hook, Cutty is the most sacked and hurried QB in the league the last two weeks. Somebody can’t call protection for shit.

      As the dust settles, I think Cutty gets a pass. He injured his thumb at the start of the second half. He was pretty good before that and made some great throws.

      There’s only two guys on that line that don’t embarrass this team. Whitehair can ply tackle and so he should. Take out Massie/Webb/Omiyale and slot in Larsen at Center. That has to be our best line.

      Grasu gets back for next season, we draft tackles 1st and 2nd. POX took their eye off the offense in all the blowback over the defense methinks. Have the balls to blitz people on defense and make some plays in FA and we’ll see what we have.

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  • Irish Sweetness

    Added to the injury list:

    Bryce Callahan (concussion)
    Ka’Deem Carey (hamstring)
    Chris Prosinski (calf)

    Doctors say they expect Alshon to pull his Labia in the coming weeks.

    • CanadaBear

      Yeah, keep grinding on the only offensive threat the Bears have.

  • Joecashflow

    With caution of being an arm chair QB, if Cutler was concerned about whether he could throw, why didn’t he throw on the side lines, to test the thumb? Instead he tosses the game away and walks off? He doesn’t get a pass from me.

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