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Across The Middle With Andrew Dannehy

| January 6th, 2016

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• “Of course everybody’s frustrated, man. We were 6-10, that’s not acceptable.” That quote in itself may not mean a whole lot to most, but, to me I see it as Ryan Pace not losing track of the fact that he is in charge of a bad team. There seem to be quite a few people who have lost track of that fact. The pressure is on Pace and John Fox to make sure 6-10 doesn’t happen again and they know it.

• Going 1-7 at home isn’t OK, but five of the losses came to playoff teams and another came with a preseason lineup against a team that went 6-2 down the stretch. I’m not going to freak out about it that much.

• All of the talk about Jay Cutler’s decrease in interceptions was pretty dumb. You saw on Sunday, a lot of times, the interceptions are more about dumb luck. He’s just as good now as he’s always been.

• John Timu brings a lot to the table, but there’s a reason he wasn’t playing until recently. Joique Bell caught a pass right in front of Timu for what should’ve been an easy tackle. Bell, of course, beat Christian Jones in coverage, but Timu should’ve been able to make the tackle five yards short of the first down marker. Instead, he whiffed and Bell ended up with a 13-yard gain. The lesson: If you’re going into next year with Timu as a starter, you better have speed all around him.

• When I watched the Packers and Vikings play on Sunday night the thing that stood out to me in comparison to the Bears was their speed on defense. The Vikings have a few elite athletes in their front seven and the Packers have Clay Matthews, who was playing at another speed. According to Scott Kacsmar of Football Outsiders, the Bears forced more throws short of the first down marker on third down than 30 other teams, yet they ranked 29th in third down percentage. I don’t think it was as much a matter of missed tackles as it was they didn’t have anyone there to make the play.

• The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s Bob McGinn released the All-NFC North picks as voted on by scouts within the division on Saturday. The Bears had Alshon Jeffery, Kyle Long, Martellus Bennett (unanimous), Jarvis Jenkins and, of course, Shea McClellin make the first-team.

• Why is it that Long has gotten a pass for his performance at right tackle while McClellin has taken so much heat for his play this year? Really, their performances have been about equal. Past performance at other positions isn’t really relevant. Pace noted the fact that McClellin was playing a new position in a new scheme and that he, like the other NFC scouts, didn’t think he played poorly. That said, Pace also noted McClellin’s injury history and that, more than anything else, is why the Bears need to question if they should move on. Regardless, they need at least one new inside linebacker.

• The biggest disappointment of the All-NFC North team was that they picked Aaron Rodgers at quarterback based on reputation, which one of the scouts pretty much admitted. He should’ve been third. Jay Cutler was the best quarterback in the division this year.

This Still Doesn’t Make Sense

Why is Adam Gase being called an offensive genius? The Bears offense ranked the same in both scoring and yardage as it did a year ago. There were more injuries this year but they had injuries last year and a heck of a lot more distractive stuff going on behind the scenes. Consider this: The Ravens were 25th in scoring and 14th in yards. I know there are a ton of excuses as to why Trestman’s 2014 offense was equal, but why was his 2015 offense similar?

Gase did some really good things this year and he could become a great offensive coordinator, but I don’t think he’s there yet. He gets too much credit for his work with Cutler and I would hope those thinking of hiring him as a coach realize that.

Where Gase is certainly above average is his ability to relate to players. They all seem to love him. That can go a long way and not all successful head coaches were successful coordinators. If it were my job on the line, I wouldn’t hire a coach unless I knew they were going to make the team elite on at least one side of the ball.

Player of the Week

Matt Forte. Forget about the performance on the field for a second. The players made it clear they love Forte and want him back on their team. He was the talk of the locker room on Sunday and Monday. I never realized how beloved he is.

Now to the game, Forte had 110 yards from scrimmage and the tying touchdown on a screen pass in the fourth quarter. He had seven games in which he managed over 100 yards from scrimmage and scored seven touchdowns in 13 games. The Bears can’t give him a huge contract, but I don’t see how they’re going to be better next year without him.

Goat of the Week

Charles Leno Jr. He just has to be better than that. If he’s going to be a part of the team’s future, he has to put up a better fight than he did on Sunday. I know people tend to only look at sacks allowed, but Leno was largely responsible for two interceptions. That just isn’t OK.

The Bears seem to be very high on Leno, but my guess is they’ll move Long to the left side. Leno would then be battling Tayo Fabuluje (who they also like) for the job at right tackle. I don’t think anybody should worry too much about this one bad game, but he was an obvious pick for Goat of the Week.

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  • That Guy

    I don’t think its a foregone conclusion that Long stays at tackle. He’s been a good tackle; he was an outstanding guard. And as far as learning a position, he played tackle in college. Guard was the learned position.

    He might get better, but I wouldn’t crown him the left tackle of the future just yet.

  • CanadaBear

    CD on the All-NFCN team? That can’t be possible. To say Long and CD played about the same this year is laughable. Long had some issues, esp down the stretch. However, he had numerous games where he was keeping Jay clean and moving the pile. CD barely had any memorable plays all season.

    • Scharfinator

      Did he even have barely any? I can’t remember ANY.

      • willbest

        One play Shea, was about right. I vaguely remember him having a really good game in there somewhere, but mostly it was just the teasing that if he just be given more time he will get it together.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If people are saying Kyle gets another year to learn his position, then so too should Shea (just not as a starter). A mike that calls the defense has way more to worry about than a right tackle.

          • willbest

            I don’t want Kyle getting a second year, but it sounds like its going to happen. I tend to think he is injured because his technique isn’t good and he was overcompensating with his raw physical strength. When he was at guard he didn’t need to press himself in ways that would injure his body.

      • MB30SD

        this one time, in football…

    • MB30SD

      One play shae.

      Here’s my new theory Canada… dave and shae have compromising pics of Fangio or Fox and they are using them to garner favor… and not getting traded to the McDonald’s fry cook squad.

      #totallyandutterlybaffled

      • SC Dave

        I don’t vote for the all division team. As for pictures, I have
        no comment.

        • MB30SD

          “I can neither confirm, nor deny any of the charges brought against me”

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    “Can someone explain to me what football analytics even are?”

    An excuse to sell a book.

    • BillW

      I’ve been thinking about this a lot. There is a lot of data in football too, but as Jeff says I can’t see how it helps you evaluate a player.

      I do see it helping in terms of game planning and play calling. One teams tendencies versus your own etc. But just as another piece of information, not as anything close to a deciding factor.

      A lot of that is very much like a chess match. Or an incredibly elaborate version of “rock paper scissors”. Or “I can clearly not choose the wine in from of me”.

      In other words the margin of error would be so large that you’d still want the coach to go by “instinct” – which means reading the situation in terms of who is blocking well, or if someone is getting beat consistently etc. Not saying “this play will work 55% of the time, plus or minus 10%.” which would simply mean there is at least a 35% chance of failure.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Moneyball seemed to work, no?

    • That Guy

      Analytics is a fancy word for statistics, which is an even fancier word for “stuff on the back of a trading card.”

      For some positions its easy – running backs have yards, carries, fumbles, touchdowns, etc. For some its harder – cornerbacks have interceptions and passes defended, but also have this shadowy concept of “keeping the other team from passing his part of the field.” For some its almost impossible, especially as a third party – guards might look like they missed a block when it was actually someone else’s job to pick up the rusher, or might make a block when they were really supposed to be covering an entirely different player.

      But this notion that “football isn’t for nerds” is just stupid. Every team is trying to collect as much information about its players and its opponents’ players as possible. “Analytics” is just a way to organize that information in as helpful a way as possible.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Metrics, or the parameters used to compare things. The study of which would be statistics.

  • BearDown100393

    The Rams really hate St. Louis.

    • willbest

      Personally, I think it should be San Diego that gets to go. Oakland and St. Louis have better fan bases. San Diego has to play 16 away games a season. They can do that in any city.

      • BearDown100393

        The 49ers play 16 away games a season now as well.

        • willbest

          I know the San Clara 49ers or whatever, but their fans show up at their home stadium and outnumber the visitors. If you are just listening to the game and can’t tell who the home team is by the crowd noise, that is a problem.

      • MB30SD

        the ownership are the worst… and I can’t believe *I’m* saying that

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Not really versed on San Diego culture or people, but why is that?

        • MB30SD

          because we have so much amazing shit to do here (surf, beach, ski, desert, etc…) that the fanbase is the biggest bunch of fair weather bandwagoneers you’ve ever seen. Every home game you’re just as likely to have more fans of the visiting team.

          I was at our game here this year (with murph and sac) and it was a joke… we vastly outnumbered SD fans.

        • Sactowns#1

          Because nobody in San Diego is actually FROM San Diego. Personally, it’s not for me. It’s a beautiful place filled with incipit, loathsome people. (MB aside of course) It will cost you 3X as much to live amongst the scrub brush in the foothills as it would to live just about anywhere else in the world.
          The population is made up of recent immigrants from Mexico and central America, transplants from the Midwest and the rest are college students. So why would they adopt the Chargers? Its the same thing I say every time someone says there should be a pro sports team in Vegas. Who the hell is going to root for them? Nobody in Vegas is actually from Vegas.

          • MB30SD

            I’m not quite sure whether to still be offended coming from a guy who lives in SacTOW!

          • Sactowns#1

            Haha. Sac and the Bay are starting to head that way too but nowhere near as bad as SD. I was born and raised here, as were a few of my friends but we are certainly a dying breed.

  • willbest

    Stop. I spent last off-season regularly defending myself from attacks of being called a Cutler fanboy, so I am most certainly not a hater. But he was not the Best QB in the NFCN this year. It was Rodgers. Cheese had more PPG, more offensive TDs per game, more wins, Rodgers had the higher QBR, etc. And its not like the Cheese had better players at the other 10 spots. The lines were comparable, Chicago had the better RBs, TEs, and the only reason Chicago didn’t have better receivers is because Jeffery spent half the season on the bench.
    Yes there were weeks where Jay outplayed Rodgers, but over the season Rodgers got it done. The only difference is this year he looked mortal doing it.

    Ravens lost Joe Flacco half way through the season. Any comparison between Bears and Ravens shouldn’t include backups. Anyway, I agree he doesn’t present as the genius his agent has been able to sell. However, as I have said before, I don’t feel that is entirely on Gase. Fox is involved with the offense, and if he tells Gase “whatever you do, don’t stop the clock, and don’t turn it over” the ball is going straight to the RB.

    No Long will not end up at LT after struggling at RT. In the best case scenario he goes back to Guard where he is all-pro. Leno is a slightly below average LT and if he isn’t on the Bears he will be on a 53-man roster next year and perhaps even starting. You are just going to have those games with him.

    • BearDown100393

      Apparently Rodgers was only 3rd best…

    • BerwynBomber

      Agree about Rodgers vs. Cutler but one nit: GB’s and our O-lines were NOT comparable. In fact, our O-line provided the best protection in the division by a wide margin.

      Cutler was sacked 29 times. Rodgers 46 (second highest in the league), Bridgewater and Stafford were sacked 44 each (tied for fifth highest in the league).

      Even if you factor in Clausen’s six quarters our O-line’s numbers were much better, which makes sense for anyone who watched our foes with some semblance of objectivity: Stafford got slaughtered the first half of the year, Rodgers got murdered the second half, and MIN starts a sixteen games a season turnstile in Matt Kalil at LT.

      • willbest

        What would be the sack per drop back %. I know the lions had nothing that resembled a run game for most the season, so that number doesn’t surprise me. And I do know the Packers caught hell a couple weeks for not running the ball enough.

        • BerwynBomber

          I don’t have those numbers (and JW has temporarily left the building).

          But my bet is they might make MIN’s O-line look even worse as I am guessing MIN threw the ball the least in the division.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      The scouts picked 4 out of the 5 starters from GB’s line, the Bears were dead last at all four spots. The lines aren’t comparable, the Bears just did a better job of getting the ball out of the QBs hands, thus more sacks. The rushing statistics were about the same, the Packers had their top two receivers (that they started the year with) all season. Played 16 games with Randall Cobb and 16 games with James Jones. No Marc Mariani’s, Deonte Thompsons, Cameron Mereidiths or Josh Bellamy’s. Despite that, their passer ratings were pretty much equal. Jay was better, something even logical Packers fans admit. Matthew Stafford was also better.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Rodgers and Cutty both have an identical 92 QBR this season.

      • willbest

        You mean passer rating. Cutler’s Season QBR is 60.7 (17th) and Rodgers is 64.9 (10th)

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Getting tired of “let’s blame QBs for ALL of their interceptions”, as well as dumb luck being another reason. The defenders need to be credited sometimes too, they got feelings!

    • BearDown100393

      Some quarterbacks bring out the best “awareness” from those defenders.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Also, for the love of anything, can the Bears stop putting players into positions that they aren’t drafted for? Thes “experiments” I know are essential at times, but so far it has not done anything for anybody and I’d like to see just one year we aren’t floored by a surprise of a coach putting a player into a different position that isn’t what they are built for.

    • MB30SD

      stop plagerizingz me! Did you break into my manifesto again!?

    • BearDown100393

      Matt Slauson might get a look at returning kicks in training camp….

      • MB30SD

        I’d be up for trying Urine at that spot… imagine trying to hit that guy with a full head of steam

        • willbest

          You must be his agent.

          • MB30SD

            I’d like to be!!

            3 fucking % to be a lying conniving weasel cockmaster.

        • SC Dave

          He already has a concussion… you trying to run him off the team?

    • Sactowns#1

      Hester is coming back as our #1 WR!!!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Did he disappear or what …

  • BillW

    “• All of the talk about Jay Cutler’s decrease in interceptions was pretty dumb. You saw on Sunday, a lot of times, the interceptions are more about dumb luck. He’s just as good now as he’s always been.”

    I disagree. What you are saying Andrew is that Jay is no better than he was in years past. It seems his decision making, cutting down on risks, moving in the pocket, etc are much better. Which cut down on his interceptions.

    Your implication is that he had less interceptions this year due to good luck, and/or more in other years due to bad luck.

    If it was that simple, Gase and the QB coach should get no credit. It’s not.

    • BearDown100393

      Winning football games just comes down to luck also….

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Luck, coincidence, perfect timing… such a fickle ideology that people vehemently debate about at which one is the real factor of something happening.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, that was a moronic statement. Blogfather and Andrew are often working a Cutler narrative in an alternative universe, which wasn’t needed this year as Cutler had a solid year even if one attributes his improvement in ball security to Gase.

    • willbest

      Agreed. I don’t recall how many INTs Jay had last year, but it could have easily been a dozen more if defenders didn’t drop them. That number was cut in half this year as well.

      INT “luck” tends to even out between great defensive plays making it happen, bad tips, and drops or lack of awareness by defenders.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      He’s the same player, just played well. Just as he did in 2013 and 2011 and 2010.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Cutty is quantum leaps better than he has been, there can be no question of that. Of course he’s the same human being, with the same passport, but he was a careless player in his career up to this season, which is why people wanted him gone out of here for the right price. I would have traded him for about two firsts, gotten Fitzy in for cheap and kept Brandon. Now, I wouldn’t do that. He pulled his head out of his ass, his decision-making process is better. He doesn’t throw those WTF passes when he has time in the pocket. He’s playing way better than he has done previously. I’d go as far as to say he’s borderline elite based on his play this year. His QBR is identical to Rodgers’ this year.

  • The GP

    The Fridge is in the hospital.

    I know this is turrible, but I thought he was already dead.

    • BearDown100393

      Nah, just in Nebraska…

    • willbest

      Its a diabetes complication due to his weight. I am surprised he hasn’t tried the stomach staple route. Then again if he auctioned off his ’85 SB ring he probably doesn’t have much money.

  • Sactowns#1

    Why is Adam Gase being called an offensive genius?” THIS. When he called that smoke screen 3 times in the last game I just about lost my lunch.

  • CanadaBear

    Went and saw Hateful Eight in 70 mm yesterday. A couple of things; about 75% of the movie (at least) was shot indoors in a cabin and Michael Madsen was completely wasted. Madsen has very few lines in the movie and mostly just grunts. If you’re going to the time and expense of using 70 mm to film and project the movie, why not have more outdoor scenes to use the larger film format’s advantages? I liked the movie a lot but thought it could have been better. If I had to do it over again I might not have popped for the extra cash (and longer drive to find the theater showing it in 70 mm) because it was wasted on the indoor scenes. The outdoor scenes were spectacular looking.

    • Sactowns#1

      I saw it here at the Tower Theater. The projector broke earlier in the day so it started about 30 minutes late. I thought the outdoor scenes, especially the blizzard, were amazing. I kept wondering if they had to wait for an actual blizzard to film those outdoor scenes or not.
      I was a bit disappointed in the ending. I would have liked some twist or hiccup to the story and Channing Tatum wasn’t it. But all in all I really enjoyed it. Tarantino is the only guy who can write three hours of dialogue and have me pay to watch it.

      • CanadaBear

        I liked it but you’re right, Channing Tatum didn’t add much. I thought the overture was a waste of time but the intermission was a welcome relief.

        • Sactowns#1

          Intermission? You mean Beertermission!!

      • MB30SD

        Dude, know who stole the show for my by a looooong mile??

        Walton Fucking Goggins!

        He was amazing. Loved his character

        • CanadaBear

          A good character for sure. I liked Tim Roth kinda playing a dandy. Bruce Dern was the usual Bruce Dern character. I was hoping to see more of the Kiwi character (if you know what I mean and I think you do).

          • MB30SD

            Hahahaha… yeah, TR was my second favorite.

            Meh, not my style. I thought daisy damergue was a great character, although a bit stomach churning.

          • CanadaBear

            JJL is always good. I’ve seen her in numerous movies where she just brings it. Fearless actress.

          • Irish Sweetness

            She wasn’t given any dialogue though – QT can’t write for women. Also, his obsession with the word ‘nigger’ is just ridiculous – I stopped watching after about 70 minutes and it was hard to stick with it that long.

            And why, oh why, Quentin, do you shoot a movie in 70mm, when :

            a) You need an IMAX screen to display that.
            b) Most of the movie takes place in a room.

          • Sactowns#1

            He played a cutthroat pretending to be a dandy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And Madsen was … Madsen. Again.

            Question for the board:

            Is it ‘acting’ when you play the same character in every movie?

            Why is there even a term ‘character actor’? If you’re not playing a character then what are you playing?

    • Irish Sweetness

      See The Revenant C-Bear? Great movie, even on the small screen, so it would be fabulous on the big one I’d imagine. Lots of beautiful scenery. Top film. Worth seeing just for the Bear attack.

  • Sactowns#1

    lol. Don’t ask me how I found this but its hilarious!! Apparently fat people can just stand there and if you attack them you just bounce off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnD95uXZ5-8

    • Scharfinator

      This definitely looks real and not a scam. Love it

      • MB30SD

        again, I use the same technique with my penis

        • Cormonster

          Not that you need it, but it never hurts to get some extra tips.

          http://www.clickhole.com/article/5-tips-fuck-good-823

          • MB30SD

            Sweet… 4 outta 5 ain’t bad!

        • SC Dave

          You mean to shed the girls without, um, engaging?

          • MB30SD

            no babies, no babies, big money!

    • And that’s what they teach the Russian military!

      Actually, that fat dude is pretty bad ass and can probably whoop our butts, but yeah, that type of martial arts (systema) becomes “esoteric” and that’s when ppl become skeptical.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Fat blokes? Russian military. It’s Mikhail Ryakbo ! This guy is awesome. Systema – the perfect art for fat bastards.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      almost as good as this guy. he can beat you without even touching you.

  • TBC

    From my understanding. Sports analytics are used in NFL more with player development than with scouting. An example would be measuring a quarterback’s performance (and maybe even some other physiological attributes) after numerous types of hits/contact. That is more or less what I was told be someone who worked as a data analyst for an NFL team.

    • BerwynBomber

      One could say that Passer Rating and (especially) Quarterback Rating are early examples of advanced analytics in football.

      Anyway, I don’t see why otherwise intelligent people resist such information. They have pretty much proven to be effective in evaluating players and teams in MLB and the NBA, and I assume the same will eventually be true of the NFL. Do they have their anomalies and quirks? Sure, but so do stats in general.

      • Scharfinator

        But but but… what about those intangibles everyone says are important but can’t quantify?

        • MB30SD

          “awareness”

      • I tend to agree with Jeff on this. I played baseball, basketball and football, and baseball and basketball are scheme proof. What I mean by that, if you’re a good hitter or shooter, it won’t matter what scheme you’re in.

        Football has waaay more moving parts. Look at Mario Williams this year. He sucked. Last year, he racked up 14 sacks. What can advanced analytics tell us about his “regression” to judge how much he’d be worth in FA?

        Not much.

        Ppl would have to put on the tape the ole fashion way, and see if it was scheme or psychological, etc.

        Same with say, converting DEs into LBs.

        Peppers seemed OK, while Allen bombed. Can analytics help predict that? Not sure, but I doubt it.

        There’s also waaay more injuries to football players, and many times players don’t let on how hurt they, which again would skew results and data.

        I think certain data is HELPFUL, but in the end, in football, it’s just the eye-test.

        What I would invest in if I were a GM would be some sorta psychological test (created by some think tank from Vienna or something) to weed out the busts. Come up with a standard test. Apply it to many of the draftees for like 10+ years, and see who falls where as predictive indicators (though not guaranteed) as to whether a player is likely to be a bust.

        The combine I think does a pretty decent job with the physical criteria (though “explosiveness” or “quick twitch” is hard to objectively quantify).

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          yeah, I can explain it. Allen is old and white and currently has the muscle tone of my neighbor, a retired fireman, while Peppers is Peppers and is built like a fucking greek god…correction, a black, greek god.

        • BerwynBomber

          Fair enough. But to Blogfather’s question — which analytics would show which wideout has the best hands in traffic — well the numbers nerds can set up parameters to give you that answer. And yes, “eyes” will be used but so will facts and said parameters. Of course there will be some gray area, especially with football, but over time most of the analytics would be accurate. Or accurate much more often than not.

          Look at YAC. That probably wasn’t even a stat, say, thirty years ago, and even today it is a bit of judgment call — re: “gray area” — but any GM or scout with a half a brain should value it when looking at an RB, TE or WR.

          The game will just have more those type of stats moving forward. An RPT, just as an example. Reception Percentage in Traffic, to go back again to Blogfather’s question.

          • BillW

            But there are differences in YAC. You hit a guy in stride and all he has to do is keep running. That’s due to the QB, not the receiver. Why should he get credit?

            But if he breaks a tackle or puts a move on one or more guys, then that’s different and should go to the receiver.

          • BerwynBomber

            Of course that is part of the “gray area” I mentioned. Even with the right parameters, some of the analytics will be based on human judgment. But as I also said, I still think such analytics will be accurate/reflective more often than not.

            In other words, I’m betting whoever led the league in YAC this year pretty much passes the eye test as a guy known to be a superior open field runner and/or is a beast to bring down.

        • Irish Sweetness

          On Mario, the Bills went from first to worst (in sacks), going from Schwartz to Ryan. Everyone was affected, and as his team-mates said, he “checked out”. Williams is not physically “done”. No doubt we should draft a pass rusher, but we should also have one “ready to go”, in place for the playoff run.

  • The GP

    Sac –

    I found you a winner. This guy mastered the Steven Seagal hand wave.

    • Sactowns#1

      Wow. He moves the air with such force it just knocks people over.

      • MB30SD

        I use that same technique… but with my large, meaty phallus.

  • Doc Nitty

    Chicken Dinner? First Team?!?!? What the FUCK?!?!?!?!?!

    • CanadaBear

      Ed Zachary (thanks MB).

  • CanadaBear
    • BerwynBomber

      I am surprised Gase isn’t interviewing with TEN. Seems like it would have the best QB situation moving forward — that is, if you believe in Mariota.

      • CanadaBear

        Good point. Gotta keep in mind if the owners are lunatics or not. We don’t know for sure about most of them but I’m guessing people in league circles know a lot. Lurie was REALLY patient with Reid. Unless it was really all about the crappy personnel moves, Kelly must have had a horrible personal exchange with Lurie to get launched that quickly.

        • BerwynBomber

          Valid point as well. Apparently the TEN owners don’t even live in TEN and the mid-season firing of Wisenhunt struck many as unwarranted.

          But man, Bradford? Yeesh. He is a) a China Doll, and b) his stats, even when good, seem of the empty calorie variety — i.e., more often in losses than in wins.

          • CanadaBear

            Wouldn’t be my first choice for sure. Going to Cleveland and getting the QB you want to draft and develop would be tempting (other than the Cleveland part). Sounds like Gase is definitely gone.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m not so sure he is (and a week ago I would have bet he was). As Butch put it, Black Monday was really Gray Monday — SD, IND and (apparently) DET all retained their HCs — and now these ex-HCs are in the mix in Shanny, Kelly, Holmgren (possibly) and even Doug Freaking Marrone (and heck, maybe some teams interview Wisenhunt too).

            But Gase is unquestionably a serious candidate and I doubt he turns anyone down as, reportedly, he did last year.

          • willbest

            Turn too many people down and people stop asking. San Fran was an awful gig, and he was smart to walk away since they fired the guy after 1 year.

      • DaBearsBlog

        And I think Mariota would love this system. Easy throws.

        • AlbertInTucson

          The QB situation in Tenn would seem to be a LOT more attractive to a prospective new coach than the one in Philly.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          legit question, why was Gase only on a 1yr deal?

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t think it was a 1-year deal. Usually it’s 3-4 years.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            then why do we have to let him leave?

          • If it’s for an HC job, I think it’s standard practice.

            It also encourages future top OCs/DCs to join us cuz we’re not cock-blockers.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            hmmm, I see how that could be dickish but how does any team like our get continuity? Just hope we get a good guy that’s not too good at his job to ever get promoted?

          • Well, a team gets continuity when they’re mediocre and no other team wants the players or co-coordinators.

            Our best co-ordinator the past decade was probably fucking Toub, or Chico, and neither were “hot commodities” like Gase is now.

      • Johnnywad

        Long time no see Bomber. Where you been?

        • BerwynBomber

          Hey, Jwad. I, like Cheese and NBIT, got caught in the Disquis verification vortex for a few weeks, but I have been around recently as “Anonymous”. Changed back to my original handle last night. Happy New Year.

  • The GP

    Clearly North Carolina and the Senate is the place to be:

    http://www.wral.com/nc-ethics-commission-sex-acts-don-t-violate-lobbyist-gift-ban/14445227/

    They legalized hookers for lawmakers.

    Lemme repeat: they legalized having hookers stop by as gifts from lobbyists.

    • CanadaBear

      It’s good to be the king!

      • MB30SD

    • That Guy

      “Consensual sexual relationships do not have monetary value and therefore are not reportable as gifts or ‘reportable expenditure made for lobbying,'” the opinion reads. “However, a lobbyist or lobbyist principal’s provision of paid prostitution services by a third party to a designated individual could constitute a gift or thing of value, albeit an illegal one, depending on the particular facts.”

      Not exactly. But definitely seems like an easy requirement to get around.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “In my mind I’m going to Carolina…” – James Taylor.

      • SC Dave

        Nothin could be finah

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      • MB30SD

        did any of you guys order an asshole from roomservice?

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          haha, that’s the first movie I ever purchased for my movie collection. it’s in tape form and my wife had it converted to dvd for me for xmas.

          • MB30SD

            I’m not quite sure I’m talking to you again yet.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            haha, jump on MW3……
            too soon?

          • MB30SD

            jerk

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            hey, i’ll be in vegas for a work thing this spring, meet me at the hotel pool. Red Bulls, mirror sunglasses, swim up bars, no kids, a little gambling….

          • MB30SD

            I’ll be there the weekend of March 18th for a work show… but our lead dev is there now, so I can go anytime. I’m in! When are you going?

            My pool game is my best game BTW.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I haven’t been in a while, do pools still look down on me swimming around with goggles on underwater looking at girls naughty places like I’m in 3rd grade again?

            haha, edit, that would be 6th grade.

          • MB30SD

            No, fully allowed and endorsed.

            when will you be there?

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            i’ll know in a few days. I swear to Yeezus I may sleep in the god damned pool and order room service to make my room as dark as the depths of the ocean. I haven’t slept in fucking 6 years.

          • MB30SD

            yeah man, you might want to get your balls tied while you’re there.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I was just thinking maybe just a vasectomy

          • MB30SD

            the *right* hookers yonny.

            #awareness

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            some drinks, a little gambling, a little Asian testicle bondage….you know, a lazy weekend.

          • MB30SD

            I’m in!

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene
          • haha WTF.

            Rambo-lite!

          • Doc Nitty

            ORNAMENTALIZE

          • Irish Sweetness

            Okay, best line?

          • MB30SD

            Hi, my name is MB30SD. How are you?

            Usually there’s an easy opener… something she does, or how I’m next to her, or something. if not, just the above. They either find you attractive or not and it really doesn’t matter what you open with.

            My problem is feigning interest in the vapid drivel they’re droning on about. I have trouble faking giving fucks.

            …wait, we’re talking about picking up women, not gambling right?

          • Irish Sweetness

            By ‘converted’ I hope you mean she downloaded it and burned it to DVD ??

      • You’re a pimp? You look like Ghandi!

  • AlbertInTucson
    • BillW

      And Gase lined up for a second interview in Philly, per PFT

      EDIT: This is wrong of me for sure, but there is a nagging voice in my head that wants Gase to fail as a HC. Not sure really why other than being upset to see Cutty finally getting a system and coaches he likes, only to see it disrupted before the team had the personnel to really exploit it.

      • CanadaBear

        That’s bad juju for sure.

        • BillW

          It just that we have more than a glimmer of belief that things are really heading up. And now it’s disrupted. I know Pace/Fox are ready for it and they have their guy all ready. And I trust them etc etc.

          Yet by definition it’s less than ideal (after all, they weren’t looking to replace Gase with anyone, were they?)

          BTW – isn’t there a Rooney Rule for coordinators too? I think there is – under the idea that most HC come from coords so to get that pipeline flowing minorities need to considered for OCs.

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure about RR for coordinators. Nobody can be too surprised Gase was only here for 1 year. After I found out he turned down the SF job, I was sure he was one and done here. Most guys in his shoes don’t turn down those kind of offers unless they are really confident. Good on him for knowing what a shit show SF would become.

          • BillW

            And he turned it down because he would not have Fangio as DC. So it really worked out well for us. And I don’t think he can take Fangio away even by calling him an assistant HC.

            But I’d sure like to see some minimum time that a coordinator or any assistant for that matter had to stay on. Even 2 years.

            Funny – we were never really in this position that I can recall since Buddy left after SB-XX.

          • CanadaBear

            Pretty sure Fangio will sit tight unless he’s offered a HCing job. If things go well, he could take over for Fox. Not to mention, if you’re going to be a DC, Chicago is a pretty good place to land.

          • Johnnywad

            I wouldn’t sweat it Bill. Trestman did pretty well with the O in his first year. Far better than Gase. Gase was fine. But I really doubt Fox can’t upgrade the OC position. I like what Cutler accomplished from a pocket awareness, and ball security standpoint. I doubt he’ll lose those skills moving forward. I really think the O has a chance to improve over last season with a good hire.

      • BearDown100393

        There was nothing special to the offense this season. It was rather vanilla and probably directly related to the injuries sustained at the wide receiver position. Other than a personality agreeable with the starting quarterback, I suspect it really will not be difficult for a well respected head coach such as John Fox to find a replacement. And Cutler certainly seems supportive of Gase’s pursuit.

        • BillW

          Yes – of course. But were any of us saying “There was nothing special to the offense this season. It was rather vanilla. I wish Fox would find another OC”.

          Nope – and so by definition this is less than an ideal situation for us as fans.

          As I say in other reply, I trust Pace and Fox. I just wish we got to see what he was going to do with the offense with a full group.

          • BearDown100393

            Adam Gase would be inheriting quite a mess left behind by Chip. Meanwhile Pace and Fox could use his ascension as a nice tangible incentive for OC candidates. I’d prefer he stay. But like you, I also trust management to find an appropriate replacement. And this time around, I do think Jay Cutler would be invited inside the war room.

          • BillW

            As I thought it through I realized that unless you are real shit-show (see Trestman, Marc) a fired HC will probably get another HC job somewhere. Ditka, Wanny, Jauron, Lovie all did.

            So I can see a coordinator saying “I’ll take almost anything just to get the experience of running a team. If the situation is really bad it will appear to not be my fault and I’ll get another chance somewhere else.”

          • BearDown100393

            LOL, except Cleveland!

          • BillW

            Funny you say that. Gase is set to interview with the Browns according to PFT.

          • I’m even reading shit that Schwartz is getting calls!

            Oh please got, let this be true.

  • Holy shit, Trac. You didn’t tell us you were a Jedi Knight!

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    speaking of Jared Allen…..
    Do you know how I knew Allen would suck? It was when I saw how small his neck had gotten. He became an “in shape 30-something” but used to be a mega jacked thick ass neck motherfucking hillbilly with a shit ton of swagger. We did not get that Jared Allen.

    • CanadaBear

      Probably better living through chemistry back in the day. No doubt he sucked moose wang for the Beloved.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        naw, he was just young and jacked and crazy. I think working with veterans and doing real human being shit actually made him calm down…which is not good for a DE in the NFL.

    • MB30SD

      awareness

      • The GP

        it was all awareness

        • MB30SD

          Yep, all awareness and no tackles/sacks.

          • The GP

            he was totally sure of the play that was being run at him.

            Just powerless to do anything about it.

          • MB30SD

            exactly!

    • Neck swole.

      #TradeWindCyberMetrics

  • We should sign Weddle this off-season just to combat the white safety stigma da blog has (medically termed “Archulitas”).

    #WhiteSafetyLivesMatter

    • MB30SD

      I’m in! He’s a fucking brick!

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        haha, I’m waiting for the first announcer who thinks he’s off air , “well, he certainly doesn’t play like a white safety!!”

      • I’m normally a build the lines guy, but what if we zag when everyone zigs?

        In FA we sign Weddle. Pairing him with Amos means we don’t worry about the S position till 2020.

        In the draft, while everyone is reaching for pass-rushers, QBs, and OT, we draft a lockdown CB.

        We ride with Washington, Jenkins, McPhee, Houston, Young for pass rush, and some 3rd round freak who’s fallen for “character” issues or inexperience.

        Get an solid ILB in the 2nd who can cover. Set!

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          sexy but I’d switch 1st and 2nd round guys and get the best middle linebacker in the draft in round one. I don’t care what people say about getting them later. I want the best fucking guy in college football to be my middle linebacker. Usually because it means he’s a concensus asshole killer.

          I know Bobby Wagner and KJ Wright were 3rd rd and beyond but that may have been straight luck.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            the pass just wasn’t scary this year and it’s been that way for years. We need guys that can individually win their matchups and kill the quarterback. The qb must know he is going to get hurt if he doesn’t get rid of it….

          • Yeah, I agree. Maybe I’m still hungover from New Years.

            It would be interesting though. Coverage sacks!

            Also, if you trust your secondary to man up, more blitzes. Just a thought.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            This kid Myles Jack intrigues me. I don’t know how hurt he was but he looked like such an instinctual football player. He can also play running back….like Mike Brown used to. I don’t like the idea of drafting a guy and switching his position but I’d love to see Jack at Safety and about 7 more NFL quality pounds on his frame. That would be scary.

          • MB30SD

            Agree with you. Get weddle and go ilb @ 11

          • I was about to look up all starting LBs in a 3-4, and where they were drafted, but that’s a Data project, and he gone!

            So instead, I just looked at the ILBs who made the PB.

            This year, Bowman (3rd), Keuchly (1st), Matthews (1st, but really drafted as an OLB pass rusher) and Wagner (2nd, 15th).

            2014: Keuchly, Bowman – Willis (1st), Burfict (UFDA)

            2013: Willis, Bowman

            There’s other excellent ILBs I can’t think of off the top of my head, but my guess is that many of them were drafted outside the 1st round.

            It’s interesting that Bowman ran like a 4.7 while Burfict ran a comical 5.02.

          • Cormonster

            DeAndre Levy was a 3rd rounder. He’s pretty bad ass.

          • And Chris Borland before he unexpectedly retired looked like a stud too. Also, not in the 1st.
            Fangio has proven he can scout and coach up LBs out of 1st round.

          • Cormonster

            I thought Levy went high when he was drafted. I was not that impressed with him in college other than speed. He always seemed to be out of position. Much better pro than college player.

            Borland is my all-time favorite college player. His instincts were just through the roof. He was always around the ball. I was shocked when he retired. He just seemed to eat and breathe football and always toughed it out through injuries. It was shocking because he seemed to love the game more than just about anyone.

          • Borland also ran like a 4.7 I think, but like you said, had crazy instincts.

            Fangio seems to prefer instinctual players at LB over athleticism (unless a stud like Willis falls in your lap). Either way, I’m trusting him to draft a solid ILB high or low, though his love for Shea mystifies me.

          • Cormonster

            The Badgers have an OLB that I mentioned to you earlier entering the draft. Joe Schobert was versatile and very instinctual who made a lot of big plays. Impact player. He created a ton of turnovers this year. Besides FF, he caused 4-5 picks this year rushing the QB. He was the best defender for a top 5 Wisconsin defense. The only knock on him, like most Wisconsin players, is speed. He might be a good pick in rounds 3-5. He was just learning how to rush the QB this year and ended up with 10 sacks. Before this year he was mainly in coverage where he did really well.

            http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=125106&draftyear=2016&genpos=OLB

            Another late round option is white safety Michael Caputo. He’s another instinctive, smart player but lacks speed. I think he was a strong safety. Excellent tackler.

          • BerwynBomber

            But Levy took a while to develop as a pro or is my impression mistaken?

          • Cormonster

            I believe you are correct.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I guess he looked at Mike Webster, Dave Duerson etc. and thought “fuck that”.

          • SC Dave

            Works for me, tho we’re a few years late to get the Lukester

    • SC Dave

      Fuck. We had Petitbon and Fencik after all.

  • I’m glad Payton stayed in the Big Easy. Just feels right.
    And on that note, to update.

    I’m not entirely sure Gase is gone.

    Gmen might promote Macadoo-do
    Colts already extended Pagano.
    Browns got rejected by Gase previously.
    9ers want (X)Payton, or Standford HC.
    Chargers likely keeping (X) McCoy (kept)
    Loins are the loins. They’ll probably rehire Scwhartz
    Titans are rumored to Kelly, but maybe Gase here.
    Fins are kinda liked to Gase, but they’re snooping about Pats org. I think they’ll poach.
    Philly supposedly interviewed Gase twice. Hmmmm

    However, other coaches like McDaniels, Haley, McDermott, Hue Jackson, David Shaw ?(Standford) SHOULD be ahead of Gase.

    Still, the rumors are swirling, but I think it’s mostly agent fueled, leverage or due diligence.

    • The one college HC I would love to see in the NFL is David Shaw (Stanford), esp if it’s in SF.

    • The GP

      Gase has potentially four suitors.

      He’s this year’s Dave Wannstedt – somebody will take him

      • BillW

        Are you “caw-fident” in saying that?

      • Can’t believe all this crap flying around. Shannahan and Schwartz are reportedly in the mix!
        And Doug Fucking Marrone!

        Plz let the Loins sign one of them.

        That being said, wtf knows?

    • BerwynBomber

      McDaniels and Haley both bombed in previous HC gigs; in some ways, those guys will be tougher to sell to an owner and fan base than a guy like Gase.

      And Shaw’s a college coach. Comes with its own stigma. Plus, I don’t think Gase will turn down any job this time around — even SF or CLE.

      Btw, I am not saying it’s a lock he lands a gig. Hardly. But I think for every argument you can make against him, you can easily counter with one for him.

      • The most logical options are Loins with Stafford, Titans with Mariotta, or Gmen with Eli, but Philly might want to bring him in to sell Bradford on a rebuild.

        Browns handpicking their franchise QB might appeal to him now. Could’ve been Gase rejected them cuz he didn’t want to coach Manziel, which won’t be the scenario going forward.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          but now you’d be assuming he thinks the qb’s in this draft are franchise guys.

          • That’s what no one knows, really (except maybe the Bears cuz I’m sure Pace has already asked him to rank the draft QBs).

            Plus. Factory of Sadness doesn’t exactly excite anyone.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Given the fact that so many teams are looking to make changes that could mean that not many would be doing so next year. I predict Gase is gone and if it is to Cleveland it’d be for significantly more money than anyone else was offering.

          • That Guy

            Butch, I don’t know what your dream football job is (mine would be Cliff Stein’s gig), but imagine for a second that you had the opportunity to have that job. You’d get a three year guaranteed contract to work it so if they fire you, you keep the cash. And this is enough cash that your kids’ kids can have college funds if you manage it well. And you can always try again another year, but this year nobody else wants you but one team.

            The only catch – that team is Cleveland.

            Are you turning it down?

          • You mean to be HC for the Browns, or GM?

            If I were Gase, I would absolutely pass on the Browns job this year. From most accounts, the management is clueless. That to me wold be the biggest turnoff.

            Gase is young and ascending. Unless Cutler and that O crashes and burns next year, Gase will only get more seasoned, which appeals to GMs.

            Now, if I’m Shanahan, Schwartz, Marrone or any other bottom barrel retread, I’d take the Browns job in a NY minute cuz no one else is gonna come a-knocking.

            Now, if it’s for GM of the Browns, I would take that.

            I actually like that die-hard fan base, and would love the challenge of turning them around, esp if I get to choose my franchise QB.

            The Browns are like the Cubs. Whoever wins it all in those organizations will be worshiped forever, and that would be extra motivation.

          • That Guy

            Its easy for you to say on the outside, but its hard to have perspective on your own situation. There are lots of talented coordinators in the NFL that miss their window and never get a HC position. If Gase gets offered exactly one job and its Cleveland? Its hard to turn down (but others have done similar things in the past).

            Another point – Bill Walsh famously told his coordinators that there is only one way to be a good head coach and that’s to be a head coach. Fox might be telling Gase the same thing – “You’re a good coordinator. If this works out great; if it doesn’t work out you’ll be in demand as an OC. Get the experience.”

          • BerwynBomber

            Gase can’t be turning down HC jobs indefinitely; as they say, only 32 of them in the entire world. If CLE offers (and no one else does), he is off to CLE and they jettison Johnny Vegas to Jerry World and draft either Lynch or Goff.

          • They were saying the same thing about Pace though. He was turning down GM jobs from bad organizations. Bears opened up, and he jumped on it.

            And I think Gase is younger than Pace.

            And Gase turned down jobs from what most in the NFL would have to consider bad situations.

            The 9ers wanted him to dump Fangio as DC and keep Tomsula. Gase turned out right there.

            And look at the Browns now.

            I don’t think most league insiders would count those against Gase.

            A lot of HCs only get one crack at it, and if they fuck up, they may never get another crack, or it’ll be like 5 years later (Haley, Hue Jackson, McDaniels, et al).

            If I’m Gase I’m patient like Pace and maximize my value to a premier organization that’s not totally dysfunctional.

            But like I said, if I’m a bottom-barrel retread, I’m signing anywhere for a pack of McNuggets.

          • BerwynBomber

            Valid points. But then again, we don’t know what Gase feels about these first rounds QBs. If he truly thinks he can mold, say, Goff into a perennial top 10 guy that might be enough to excuse CLE’s other faults as an organization.

            Also, despite Blogfather’s and Andrew’s dreams that Gase wants to name his next child after Cutty, we truly don’t know what he thinks of Cutler. For all we know Gase thinks he will never again be able to keep Cutty’s INT total so low and that he, Gase, better get out while the getting is good. Granted, I would think his respect for Fox and Fangio would override whatever fear he has of a slight Cutty regression, but the thought isn’t totally implausible if he is weighing his options for next year.

  • BillW

    Rooney Rule does not apply to coordinators (yet). Per Wiki:

    “Some sports analysts have called upon the NFL to modify the Rooney Rule by requiring NFL teams to interview a minority candidate outside their respective organizations, and extending the rule to include interviews for offensive and defensive coordinators”

    It applies only to HC and also “senior football operations” jobs (presumably GMs and probably some others.

    So if Gase is hired away, the Bears could promote the QB coach (I have to learn how to spell his name) right away if that’s what they have planned.

  • The GP

    Jared Allen makes a endzone sack for a safety that wins Carolina the Super Bowl by one point.

    #BitterIrony

    • MB30SD

      #awareness

    • SC Dave

      Works for me.

    • BearDown100393

      The only point.

  • The GP

    Here is the Waffle Finance Graph of the Day:

    http://tinyurl.com/jtaf24m

    One of these things…. is not like the others…..

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      haha, what could go wrong?

      • Cormonster

        I read Chicago is issuing new municipal bonds next week. You might want to jump on that.

    • And ppl think Asians have small peni (if Fungi is plural for fungus…)

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        solid, i’ll give you a 9 out of 10 because of the over explanation.

    • willbest

      I like zerohedge. They have predicted 47 of the last 3 stock market crashes.

      • The GP

        It’s all doom and gloom all the time.

        The best disinfo unemployed ex-FSB officers can muster…

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    hmmm, very interesting. I’m looking at Draft Big Boards and I notice that if we pick at 11 we’ll possibly be able to select at top ILB, S, DT, DE, OLB, CB, QB or OT.

    • willbest

      We aren’t going to get QB1, OT1, DT1, or OLB1 at 11

      edit: I took off DE because we could get the #1 3-4 DE at 11

    • We can indeed snatch a #1 at ILB/S/C/OG.

      Realistically, we can probably draft #2 CB/OT/DT/DE

      #3OLB/pass rusher and QB.

      The Lions will get the leftovers. Thanks for winning!

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        yeah, that’s what I meant…….

      • Johnnywad

        Snatch

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    ok, it’s apparent that my mind isn’t on work today so let’s dive in.
    What about this scenario?
    Free Agent Eric Weddle at FS
    Free Agent Danny Travathan at ILB
    Trade up and Draft Emannuel Ogbah at DE in first round
    Draft OJ Howard at TE in the second round (trade Bennett)
    Make Houston gain the weight back and kick him down to 5 technique.

    • Sactowns#1

      No need to draft up. There are plenty of quality DE and DT in the draft.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        gotta be all in. If a crazy athletic DE from Africa is available you take him.
        #Tradewind Truth

    • BerwynBomber

      The mock I saw had us nabbing Ogbah at #11.

      • willbest

        sure now. He could be going #3 in the mocks by the combine.

    • willbest

      What are you moving up with, if you aren’t sacrificing your second round pick? I am operating under the assumption you aren’t getting a 2nd for a TE that is priced fairly (but thinks he isn’t) in the last year of his contract, and comes with his own set of headaches.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        I’m only talking 2 or 3 spots so maybe a 4th 5th 6th or maybe just a 3rd if the guy we NEED is there for the taking. Passrushing killer DE is a need.

        • willbest

          Not in the top ten you aren’t. If you want to go from 11 to 9 its going to cost you at least a 2nd, and probably a second and a fifth

        • willbest

          I will walk back a little bit, you would need a 3rd to go from 11 to 9 on the draft trade chart (though you might get a 6th or 7th as well). To get to 8 you would need to give up your second and you would probably get a 4th or 5th back.

          Now the question is what would you need. He is projecting as a 4-3 DE. You are going to want to jump the Giants and Bucs. So you are basically hoping the Dolphins have a lot on their board. I doubt the 9ers are trading up but going from 11 to 7 is going to be expensive.

    • The GP

      Allan Houston is not, and will never be, a 5-tech. Bank that.

      Both Houston and Young are proto 4-3 ends. It was always really silly to force them to convert.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        didn’t Houston play at 300lbs for the Raiders? DT?

        • The GP

          he did, but in a 4-3 scheme. He could slide inside to 3-tech, that was his value.

          Having him slim down and stand up was just nutty. But 5 tech 3-4 LDE lines up over tackle and while it seems like he’s the right size and shape, he’s just not a 3-4 guy. Neither is Ego.

          Neither really is Sutton, but at least Sutton could penetrate well enough to spell Goldman at NT when he wasn’t getting hurt

          • Yeah, on paper, Houston could play DE at 300, but perhaps his more natural weight is 270ish, which in a 3-4 is more OLB.
            I think he had the most sacks in the 2nd half of the season (McPhee was hurt)

  • Shady

    http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/nfl_superbowl/596740675552/0/super-bowl-xx-super-bowl-debuts

    Ditka. Bearce. Super Bowl.

    (edit: I’m sorry that was a waste of 30 secs)

  • Johnnywad

    Andrew,

    I generally pass by quietly when I read things in the main piece that I disagree with. But down playing the discussion of Cutler’s obvious increased ball security and comparing Kyle Long’s play to that of Shea McClellin is fucking retarded. And it’s all in piece.

    Kyle Long had a few games late in the season where he struggled. For much of the year, he was very good to excellent. And even when he struggled, they could still run the ball right up his ass.

    Shea McClellin has made one goddamm play since coming to Chicago. He is no better than a backup at the position, any position, on a mediocre defense.

    These two players’ performance and subsequent comparison should never cross your mind again unless someone cuts off Long’s playside arm. Then we can compare and contrast.

    As for Cutler, my neighbor’s cat noticed the marked difference and wrote a piece about it.

    Sincerely and with much love,

    Johnnywad

    • This is also about the most tarded comment I’ve read in quite some time.

      • All of the talk about Jay Cutler’s decrease in interceptions was
      pretty dumb. You saw on Sunday, a lot of times, the interceptions are
      more about dumb luck. He’s just as good now as he’s always been.

      So I guess the efficient QBs like Rodgers and Young are just lucky, eh?

      No, Cutler is NOT as good as he’s always been. He’s BETTER now than he was when he signed with the Bears or drafted for the Broncos.

      It was OBVIOUS Cutler was much more comfortable in the huddle/pocket, and that transferred to less INTs and no multiple INT games (except the last one).

      The last game was whatevs. To me, it looked like Cutler reverted to Diabetes Cutler and decided to take shots to see if Mariani and crew can be trusted.

      It was more of an experiment which failed, but hardly cost us anything.

      I really don’t think that last game is indicative of Cutler going forward (cross fingers), but to argue that Cutler is as good as ever or that INTs are just random events that can be blamed on everyone but the QB is asinine.

      • Sactowns#1

        Diabetes Cutler is the worst cutler. Right above anti-vax Cutler.

        • The GP

          anti-vax Cutler had bad hair

          • BearDown100393

            Eye liner Jay was just plain wrong.

      • SC Dave

        Keep them crossed. I sure am.

    • BearDown100393

      I’m convinced Kyle Long was playing hurt toward the end of the season. He’d play half dead for his team.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        wasnt he playing with a club on his hand the first half of the season too.

  • The GP

    Please stop saying Kyle Long might move back to guard. I’ve heard it twice here now.

    All that says is that you didn’t listen to Pace’s presser – at all….

    • POX will give him a full off-season year at RT, that’s for sure.
      Fans forget that he didn’t play football much. I think he only had one season starting at Oregon.

      Worst case scenario, he struggles at RT, and we move him back to be an All-Pro OG.

      The real question is, what if he’s a mediocre RT?

      Is that more valuable than him as an All-Pro RG?

      • SC Dave

        No

      • The GP

        It’s a false dichotomy. He’s not a mediocre RT. He showed exceptional growth at the position if you factor out leg and arm injuries, or adjust his scores for them.

        Pace said it better than I could: he’s naturally long. As well as being his name. His natural athleticism lends his career to being extended outside. Put him inside and you will take years off his career.

        • So, if he’s a good RT, but not All-Pro, would that be more valuable than an All-Pro OG?

          I’m sure there’s a chart somewhere for that.

  • SC Dave

    Just read on Da Site that Robbie kicked more FG this season than any Bear in history.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      still missed too many. Cut Him!

      • SC Dave

        Troll

        • MB30SD

          Dave, you are truly the Robinhood of the blog, defending the weak and bad and giving to…. to… the McDonalds night crew? Haha

          • SC Dave

            Certainly, even YOU are not trollish enough to count the best fg kicker we’ve ever had among the ‘weak and bad’ .

            Next thing, you’ll be adding Forte to the list as part of the Irish RB cabal.

          • MB30SD

            I’m just mussin’ dave.

            I’ve said it a ton, the fact that he can’t get us a fucking automatic touchback every time bugs me more than a little slump

          • SC Dave

            For what its worth, i agree. Robbie started out not getting touchbacks, had a couple years in the middle where everything went out the back, and then returned to rarely doing it.

            Perhaps there is a relationship to contract dates? I dunno.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          no reason to call me a troll over my opinion. I don’t go around calling you an “overly nostalgic pansy” every time you whine when someone says something about cutting a kicker or not resigning a rb.

          • MB30SD

            agree, you are a reg, and certainly not a troll. Dave, come on maings.

            There are others the post regularly that fit that bill a whole whole lot more.

          • He called me a Troll, and I might have been here as long as him.

            You should say “Fire Gould and Fuck Forte!” give it a try!

        • AlbertInTucson

          That seems more that a bit harsh.

  • BerwynBomber

    Lovie canned!

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000618589/article/tampa-bay-buccaneers-fire-lovie-smith

    Hah! I raised that possibility a few days ago on the blog.

    • Johnnywad

      Wow. Thats the end of Lovie.

      Trac owes all blog regs some Biltong.

      • Trac

        The game passed him up. Like in 2006. Smh. Nice guy though.

        • willbest

          Just think back to 2013, and then realize while you were doing whatever you were doing, Lovie was getting paid $5 million to play xbox

          • MB30SD

            I fucking hate you now

      • MB30SD

        THIIIIIS!!!!!

        hahahahahaha!

    • willbest

      He should go DC for Chico. His scheme isn’t bad when he has a bunch of pro-bowlers

    • Doc Nitty

      Down goes Lovie! Down goes Lovie!

      • MB30SD

        hee hee

    • I seriously think if the Panthers weren’t looking so good, they may have kept Lovie.

      But seeing a division rival dominate puts extra urgency.

      It’s like marrying a nice 6 when her sister is a smoking 10. Get disgruntled more quickly.

      • MB30SD

        jesus… you NEVER marry a 6. NEVER!

        • Irish Sweetness

          Unless you’re thinking ahead, have a low moral compass, and are planning on squaring away the sexy sister at some point later on.

    • BearDown100393

      Cleveland’s “gain”

      • Scharfinator

        That makes a lot of sense, actually. Think he’ll want to give another team a shot?

        • BearDown100393

          Lovie must lead his tribe of ex-Bears to the promised land. From Chicago to Tampa and onward to Cleveland!

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      i can see it now:
      Bucs GM: Lovie, you are fired. …. did you hear me? what are you looking at? Damn it, que the sky writer.

      a little plane appears and spells out “U R Fired!” in the sky as a single tear falls down Lovie’s face.

  • willbest

    Gase is going to Tampa to work on their turnover prone QB

  • willbest

    I don’t know, if Coughlin shows up in Tampa after a perfunctory interview with a Rooney Rule candidate, then you will know why Lovie was fired after two seasons.

  • Jack Lacan

    Lovie is on the dole again…

  • MB30SD

    BAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA… fucking lovie smith. SMFH.

    All the lovie lovers out there can eat a big ‘ol bag of dirty dicks. He is a fucking clown and got exactly what he deserved. If I were a Bucs fan I would be VERY happy with management right now.

    • And “experts” are defending Lovie.

      WTF? Don’t get it.

      Lovie is a DC, if that.

      • MB30SD

        this. I’m not sure I’d even have him as a DC at this point. dude is just a fucking zombie

  • Jack Lacan

    The Breadman and Hawks sweep the Pens.
    Taser is like Howe out there— bleeding and fighting.

  • CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora reports the Dolphins will make a “strong, strong push” to land Bears OC Adam Gase as their head coach during his Thursday interview.
    Per La Canfora, the Dolphins’ goal is to “try to keep from getting back to Philadelphia.” On Wednesday, the Miami Herald’s Adam Beasley predicted the Dolphins’ head coach would come from a four-man list consisting of Mike Shanahan, Hue Jackson, Adam Gase, and Doug Marrone. The Dolphins already satisfied the Rooney Rule by interviewing Bills RBs coach Anthony Lynn. They could potentially land Gase if owner Stephen Ross gets aggressive monetarily. – Roto

    • MB30SD

      Cock Bitter Slide?

    • AlbertInTucson

      The lip service to the Rooney rule is pretty comical.

  • MB30SD

    It’s really this simple:

    “BUCCANEERS DISMISS LOVIE SMITH

    The Buccaneers announced that head coach Lovie Smith has been relieved of his duties, with team co-chairman Joel Glazer saying in a statement: “This decision was difficult on a variety of levels. I am disappointed that we were not more successful these past few seasons, but we are committed to doing what is necessary to give our fans the winning team they deserve.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      Damn

      • The GP

        Damn

        • MB30SD

          DEEEEEUUUUMMMMM!!!!

    • I almost feel like turning on the Score just so I can hear all those Lovites call in and try to defend him now.

      Players love him, but probably not the ones who like winning.

      Lovie would make a great Scout Leader, or cumbaya coordinator.

    • That Guy

      If I look at Lovie’s coaching by itself, I figure Tampa said “six wins is not enough.” They hired Lovie to fix the defense, and he hasn’t fixed it. Simple as that.

      Except that that evaluation would have had him fired on Monday or Tuesday at the latest. Why did the team wait till Wednesday night to fire him? It must be that they used that day to talk to somebody’s agent. They needed to fire Lovie before making a more aggressive push to land a big fish. Who would that be?

      Only possibilities are Chip Kelly; Tom Coughlin; or current OC Dirk Koetter. Koetter would have told the team he’s hearing strong overtures from another team and would likely be gone. Tampa could have cut Lovie loose to keep the guy who, seemingly, is doing a good job developing Jameis.

      • BillW

        Good analysis

      • BillW

        Pft adds Marrone to that list. He was rumored to the Saints if Payton left

  • BillW

    I’m with willbest on this regarding Coughlin. It seems like Tampa suddenly realized someone they like is available. And I doubt it’s Chip Kelly. Plus Coughlin said he’d coach again.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I find that a plausible explanation.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yeah, I’m feeling Coughlin is Tampa bound. If for no other reason than it’s warmer.

  • BillW

    And Jeff makes a similar point by saying you give a guy more than two years to build. It’s not like they had a Trestman like meltdown. They seem to have someone in mind

    • AlbertInTucson

      6-10 after 2-14 isn’t exactly regressing, is it? Especially with your #1 pick getting thru inevitable growing pains.

      Did I just defend Lovie?

      • Yes you did!
        Some Lovie defenders pointing out that 2 years is not enough to turn the(pirate) ship around.
        6 wins aint shabby with a rook QB
        4 win improvement
        Players love him. Still played hard last game.

        Billick even went so far as to say that the Bucs would have to explain to the prospective HCs why they dumped Lovie, and that perhaps this takes some of the luster from that org since they also fired Dungy and Chucky.

        Of course, the counter argument.

        He’s Lovie.

  • The GP

    Sorry, folks, but you don’t hire Lovie Smith & fire him before he can build his defense. Something more to this story.

    Probably but nobody will talk.

    That Jameis Winston started to play well was amazing. I was sure that kid was gonna flame it and take Lovie with him. THe irony is the kid might pan out and Lovie is gone anyway.

    • Winston’s football acumen was never in doubt, IMO.
      He has the size, arm and huddle command every team wants.
      He came from a pro system and was proven.

      He was arguably the most pro-ready QB since Luck.

      The two biggest doubts about him were his off-field maturity and TOs.

      Winston only threw 15 INTs, which is remarkable for a rook who threw more INTs in college.

      To put that in perspective, Flacco in less games has 12.

      Big Ben in less game had 16 INTs. Bortles had 18, Fitz 15, Matty Ice 16

      http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

      I thought for sure he would be good for NFL leading, somewhere in the 20s.

      • BerwynBomber

        Although INTs seemed low this year. Bortles led the league with 18. And Winston’s 15 were tied for fifth highest in the league.
        But I get your overall point. He looked good as a rook. And so did Mariota. Lots of questions about each (for different reasons) but would have to give each high marks for their first years.

        • Yes, I was shocked at how low the INT rate was this year. What an anomaly.

          Maybe it has something to do with the rash of injuries at QB?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Bortles also led the league in TD passes (well, he missed out by 1, but it looks good). He threw 13 more TDs than Winston. They had identical comp% (58) and Bortles QBR was 4 points higher (88). Bortles was spoiled a bit at receiver though.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Welcome to Tampa, the Cleveland-South of the NFL.”

      • BearDown100393

        With MRSA!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yup, I had him arrested on a DUI by week six.

    • Trac

      The Glazers make me puke. This firing is all about hiring an offensive minded hc. It’s that simple.

  • shonbear

    I know it’s old now, but nobody seems to ever comment that of his 3 INT’s in the game, the first one was clearly an uncalled PASS INTERFERENCE as the DB never looked back and was pushing the receiver out of the back of the end zone before the ball arrived. The other two which have been talked about were because he was hit while throwing and had he not been hit those receivers were wide open for big game changing plays. Just wanted to get it out of my system, it’s been festering for a week.

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