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Across The Middle – Week Three

| September 21st, 2016

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As I rewatched the Bears with my son in my arms, I looked down at him, he looked up at me and I knew he was thinking: “Why should I sign up for this?”

At this point, it’s a legitimate question: Why should anyone be optimistic about the Bears? And at this point, it’s hard to find an answer. I’d like to tell you it wasn’t as bad as it looked on Monday night, but that would be a lie. It was every bit that bad and probably a little worse.

This season has been a worst-case scenario for the Bears. Everything they hoped would work out in their favor hasn’t. And, now, some of the few players they could rely on are injured. We may not have seen the worst of the Bears yet. There’s a chance they’ll go flat out Trestman on us.

They stink in every facet of the game. Their injured linebacker is yelling at their injured quarterback. Their star offensive guard — I don’t know if good teams have “star” offensive guards — stormed out without speaking to the media. Their coach looks lost. Their last two first round draft picks look like athletes, not football players.

It’s that bad, but it’s early.

I’m not going to lose faith just yet. There are reasons to hold on; reasons to think this season could still turn into something useful. And, if it doesn’t, there are reasons to think there is a bright future in there somewhere.

The (Possible) Bright Side of Cutler’s Injury

Brian Hoyer is significantly worse than Jay Cutler, but he might be exactly what the offense needs right now.

I think back to the 2013 season. When Cutler went down, the coaches shifted responsibility of the offense to the skill position players, instead of relying on their quarterback to make plays. As a result, Josh McCown looked like Aaron Rodgers. Not because he was great, but because everyone around him was. They had to be.

The Bears don’t have Martellus Bennett, Matt Forte or Brandon Marshall, but they do have talent that is badly underperforming. With Hoyer under center, the Bears’ offense will have to go from one that relies on the quarterback to one that tries to hide the quarterback. The end result should be getting the ball into the hands of guys like Alshon Jeffery, Eddie Royal and Kevin White.

I’m most interested to see what happens with White. We saw White practice well in Cleveland in the final preseason game with Hoyer delivering the ball and Hoyer looked White’s way several times on Monday. My biggest critique of Cutler to this point in the season is that he has largely ignored White — Cutler missed him open several times Monday — but Hoyer is going to try to get him the ball.

Hoyer isn’t as bad as people like to think. He was horrendous in the playoffs last year, but he’s also a large part of the reason why the Texans got there. They replaced him with Brock Osweiler, but there’s no evidence that Osweiler is better.

There’s no question everyone on the team will need to play better. If they’re going to be competitive the rest of this season, they need everyone to step up like they did in 2013. They have talent, they just need to play up to it. I don’t know if they can, but Hoyer is at least good enough to find out.

Of course, if they don’t step up, Hoyer isn’t good enough to win games by himself. In that case, they’ll be picking very high in the draft again and I hope Ryan Pace leans on his good friend Sean Payton to help him evaluate quarterbacks.

Give Howard The Rock

I don’t put much stock in preseason so I hesitated to say Jordan Howard should compete with Jeremy Langford at that point, but I’m really starting to think Howard is their best back.

Howard was decisive, powerful, quick and faster than advertised in the preseason. But it was the preseason. We only saw glimpses of him last week, but we saw those same traits. Meanwhile, the fears I had with Langford after last season appear to be coming true. He just doesn’t seem like he can create offense by himself.

The problem with Langford is that he’s not the kind of back who is going to move the chains. He’ll get a few yards per carry, then break a long run. He can succeed on a good offense and would be lethal on a great offense. But the Bears need a back who can consistently pick up yards.

I don’t know if Howard is better than Langford. But I also don’t know that he isn’t. The Bears don’t either. It’s time to give the rookie the rock.

Maybe It Wasn’t That Bad…

OK. It was that bad. But, consider the fact that they were within two points at the end of the third quarter. It was anyone’s ball game before the Bears made mistake after mistake and their injured defense collapsed.

The nightmare was really limited it a few minutes in the third quarter and the start of the fourth. Those few minutes were just so so bad. They were just so… Trestman..I promise not to reference Trestman anymore.

At least the Packers looked like crap.

From The Chart

• I had Cutler with five inaccurate passes, pretty much all missed the same way. Looking back at the game knowing his thumb was injured, you can see how the injury impacted his velocity. The sack/fumble was 100 percent on Cutler too as he ran right into the sack. He played well overall and was incredibly accurate, just had two bad mistakes and we’ll never know how much the thumb injury impacted those.

• The line seemed worse during my first viewing of the game, partially because some of the problems weren’t on them. One sack was on Paulsen and one of the bad runs was on Lasike. In all, I had the Bears line credited/blamed for one sack, three hurries, two QB hits and two bad runs. The worst of the group was Bobby Massie, who I credited with one sack, one bad run and two hurries. While they weren’t flat out losing up front as often as it seemed, they also weren’t winning.

• I had Willie Young and Leonard Floyd combined with one sack and one hurry. They have to be better than that. In all, I had the Bears with five quarterback disruptions, not counting Sam Acho’s sack because that was a coverage sack.

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  • beninnorcal

    I need to own up to what I said during preseason: Preseason, apparently, isn’t meaningless. I learned this new idea after observing the ’16 Bears.
    So, to whoever I was arguing with over this a few weeks ago, I owe you folks an apology. You were right and I was wrong.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Nah, it’s still meaningless, I think. You are not going to know the personality of a team until they are playing for keeps.
      Ours is not good at this point.
      If the braintrust can’t come out with a run-heavy attack to get the O-line some confidence next week, then I’ll think this season can be wrapped up.

      • Jokey

        I don’t recall seeing many running lanes. Howard had a couple and capitalized.

        • CanadaBear

          I’m not sure Langford has any vision approaching the line. It seems like he just hits whatever hole the play was designed to go. Even if that hole is stacked with O and D lineman.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll give it to Matt. He had some vision. The path of least resistance was his grail.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Numbers call it differently Mike. All teams that were undefeated in pre-season are 2-0.

        Jus’ sayin.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Fuck me … an apology on the blog … Jefe .. how do I scan this?

  • chitownproud85

    By far Andrews best contribution, in my opinion. Two post mortem wake ups have allowed me to step back from the ledge, and see things through more…reasonable…eyes. My hopes that Monday night was going to be the “coming out party” for these new Bears were shattered and spit upon, but the complete implosion of everything I love did not occur, and nothing is over until its over. I dont expect them to beat the Cowboys, but for prides sake, I expect them to give ’em hell, especially defensively. I SHIT YOU NOT when I say I expect the beloved to drop their first 3, and then win their next 3(Home Lions, away Indy, Home Jacksonville). I shit. you. not. The loss of Cutler will force this team to “turtle up” and “Birdcage” will be calling the game for Hoyer that he should have been calling for Cutler – dont do shit, let the other guy do it. I dont know. Goddamn is this relationship desctructive. Look at me, trying to rationalize. The definition of inanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result – welcome to the nut house, my friends. BEAR DOWN GODDAMNIT

    • Big Mike

      Amen.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    5 QB disruptions when the Eagles weren’t even trying to run the ball until the 4th quarter.

    The lack of pass rush has been my biggest disappointment so far this season. We expected it would be at least solid, but it’s been nonexistent.

    • BerwynBomber

      We miss McPhee. When healthy he was by far our biggest disrupter last year.

      • CanadaBear

        Yeah, I don’t think yelling at Cutler counts. BTW, that was stupid on his part. I know McPhee is an emotional guy and apparently when he’s not out there the D barely seems to have a pulse. I just hope he comes back close to his old self and can stay on the field. When he’s healthy, he’s the key to the D.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But Fangio wouldn’t be blitzing him. He’d be standing there like a muppet waiting for the game to be over …. when Fangio can bang his head against the wall perplexed at his front three not getting through …. wondering how it could be.

        Next week … we’ll show them next week .. the POW-ER of my three man rush.
        (nods to himself)

  • BerwynBomber

    “He played well overall and was incredibly accurate”

    Who? Wentz? Cutler’s QBR was 12. After two weeks he is 31st in the league in QBR (only Case Keenum is worse). There is plenty of blame to go around but pretending that #6 has played well these first two games is silly.

    Anyway, should be an interesting remainder of the week. Cutler is obviously a superior talent than Hoyer, but who knows, maybe Hoyer can channel 2013 McCown, and the O tightens things up a bit with him under center. As back-up QBs go there are worse. (For the record, I’m still not convinced Cutty doesn’t play, but who knows what mixed signals Fox was attempting to send out in his presser yesterday.)

    And DAL is a bit of dumpster fire on defense, right? Or so I have heard. Sean Lee is the Sam Bradford of LBs: an injury waiting to happen.

    Oh, and one last thing about Floyd. Am I mistaken or didn’t he have a crucial neutral zone infraction on a fourth down play? If so, can’t be making those types of mental errors.

    Bears 17 DAL 13

    • Andrew Dannehy

      And Hoyer’s QBR was like 85. It’s a mostly useless stat. Chad Pennington was a QBR King.

      • BerwynBomber

        Of course ….

        P.S. Pennington’s QBR average was ~63. That is lower middle of the pack. About where Cutty often finishes.

        • Andrew Dannehy

          I was thinking QB rating when I thought of Pennington. There are hundreds of examples of QBR being ridiculous, especially with such a small sample size. Best QBR ever was Charlie Batch in a game in which he threw two INTs.

          • BerwynBomber

            Charlie Batch isn’t even listed in the top fifty QBR games ever. So I don’t know where you get your info.

            In terms of top QBR seasons, the top twenty list is full of future HoFers or future just missed the HoF. The one outlier is Garrard’s ’07 season but that happens once in a blue moon with all efficiency rankings.

            http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/0/type/alltime-season

            Oh, and Pennington’s career PR was 90. Only five points higher than Cutty’s. Sounds about right.

          • Andrew Dannehy

            They took him off because Pro Football Talk, among others, noted the embarrassment: https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/3twr9r/espn_has_removed_charlie_batchs_game_from_their/

            Cutler only has two games, it’s a crazy small sample size. He had thrown 4 incomplete passes and they were down 9, hard to say he should or could have done much more.

          • BerwynBomber

            Interesting. Thanks for the share.

            We have different views on Cutler — btw, I doubt his PR is all that high yet either — anyway, no worries. Hopefully he turns it around upon returning

          • Irish Sweetness

            People should check out Elway’s first nine years. Go look it up. Terrible, awful numbers.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Pennington was the most accurate QB of ALL-TIME. This is a fact. 66% completions.

    • Irish Sweetness

      In fairness to Cutty, he made some throws that few guys can make before the injury.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    http://deadspin.com/report-the-browns-fired-a-bunch-of-scouts-who-liked-ca-1786816387?utm_source=taboola

    And that, right there, is how an organization sucks shit through a straw.

    And, I fear, this is also a reflection of the new Pacebot 2000 regime. How much is Chicago like the dysfunction of Cleveland in this article? Given White and Floyd – I fear more than we can stand.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yup, saw that article earlier. I wonder if CLE (and their misses) is why we don’t draft QBs. You know, fear of being CLE West.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft
        • willbest

          I don’t understand “must”. I mean he is 33 and if you are going to surround him with shit tackles you are going to need a Russell Wilson who can dance in the pocket with a young mans vigor. So sure he must go if you are expecting him to do the job of 3 men because he has clearly demonstrated he can’t do that without throwing a high number of picks.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft
  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    So Cutty misses 2-3 weeks…more worried about how long Trevathan will be out now.

    • BerwynBomber

      Is that the Cutty report now? Yesterday, Fox indicated he was day-to-day.

      Both Trevathan and Goldman are big losses.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Thumb sprain – and I agree. Those two will hurt on D.
        And my man DHC needs to quit committing holding penalties on kick returns or he’s gonna find himself cut, real quick.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Really? We need to be looking at QBs. I have no idea who Matt Barkley is .. bu then Conor Shaw wasn’t exactly on my horizon before pre-season.

      http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-every-single-nfl-teams-backup-quarterback-situation/

      E.J. Manuel? Mike Glennon is okay. Sean Mannion. Wow, there’s nobody out there really … the ditching of David Fales is bizarre on a Slausonic level.

      • BerwynBomber

        Fales? Ahh, Irish. You and your bottom of the roster romances (though I too thought we should have rolled Fales out in the 2014 finale).

        I liked Glennon as a possible bridge guy after ’14. I would still like him if we went that route after this year, but I doubt we will.

        • willbest

          Two coaches failed to go with Fales when he should have had reps in live game. He probably just isn’t good.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t disagree. I just thought wheeling out Cutler in the MIN finale in ’14 was stupid. If ever there was a game to play your third-stringer, that was it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Nope, they went with Hoyer because he’s a “veteran” .. .whatever that means.
            They kept Shaw- who was obviously great .. .and then Fales never cleared waivers for the practice squad. He’s in Baltimore, we’re here.

            Now. are you telling me that a competent GM would keep a Houston-Carson or a sherrick McManis on the roster instead of a reliable QB3 you’ve invested years in?

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        David Fales is not an NFL caliber QB. He’s a last option practice squad scrub. Seriously, I wouldn’t lie to you.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He NEVER did ANYTHING wrong in a BEars jersey. How many QBs can you say that about? To say he’s no NFL-Caliber is just wrong. He looked good behind a line of scrubs and could handle pressure. What’s not NFL-Caliber about that?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Weak arm Irish. That’s always been the knock on him. Either that or its a conspiracy?

  • Irish Sweetness

    Isn’t it great watching Bears’ games with little people on your chest Andrew?
    The score doesn’t even matter, because football doesn’t really matter.

    Yeah, I hope Cutty gets some slack in light of his injury. No doubt Langford could help a Tom Brady in situations, but Howard definitely looks like an NFL back. I really don’t comprehend people’s refusal to accept anythign that happens in pre-season as being meaningful. Howard showed quickness, burst, power, vision. That has zero to do with the opposition you’re playing or whom you’re playing with.

  • BearDown100393

    “Brian Hoyer is significantly worse than Jay Cutler, but he might be exactly what the offense needs right now.”

    ‘Cause everyone knows that an inferior quarterback is the tonic needed to turn around a team’s season.

    God Bless Da Bears Blog

    14-2

  • BearDown100393

    SAS: “The Worst QB In The NFL IS…..” (Guess who!) http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17594666

    • Scharfinator

      Ehh SAS is supposed to be crazy. It’s his schtick. I wonder if he hates himself for being such a whore.

      • BearDown100393

        Apparently that is the “National Journalism” followed by TBC.

    • AlbertInTucson

      SAS, another guy who thinks LOUDER is RIGHTER.

      • CanadaBear

        I liked it better when that ass clown and Bayless were on the same show. That way you could avoid two of the biggest blowhards by avoiding only one show.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Hyperbole for dejected Bears fans?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Where was he when Peyton Mannning was actually the worst QB in the NFL last year?

  • willbest

    Here is the thing that blows my mind. The Pats don’t have Gronk, They don’t have Brady. Jimmy G won’t be ready to start, Edelman has been taking Reps at QB this week, and their tackles are worse than ours. And yet they are 2-0 and only are only 1 point home dogs against for tomorrow.

    Why don’t the Bears have an Owner/GM/Coach that have sold their soul like that. Really I would just settle for one of the three at this point.

    • BerwynBomber

      Belichick is unreal. I joked (w/ MB I think) last week about trading for him, but in all seriousness I wonder why a team like, say, the Rams wouldn’t tempt him with some huge contract and substantial ownership stake. Guess the one fear would be his age. Even the top coaches lose their magic touch after a certain point (we might be seeing that with Fox/Fangio).

      Also, I don’t know what type of deal he has with the Pats. Maybe Kraft has already given him a slice of the franchise.

      • willbest

        Rumors are it is over $10 million a year but they keep it quiet in order to suppress the wages for the other coaches in the league. Quite frankly what HC could even make that argument they deserve to be in the same ballpark as him. He has 4 Lombardi trophies, 6 SB appearances, 14 out 16 seasons he has made the playoffs and one of the years they missed they were 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3 COTY.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yup, you’re preaching to the choir with me. Don’t forget, too, that in their first SB run, Brady was hurt at the end of the OAK game, and they won the AFCC on the road at PIT with Bledsoe. Oh, and they successfully converted a WR/KR (Troy Brown) into a spot DB.

          The guy cheats and he’s a grumpy little troll in a hoodie but he’s the best HC I’ve ever seen.

        • MB30SD

          Sold. His. Soul. To. dick. cheney.

          It’s really the only plausible explanation.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Are you healed up? It’s going to be a brutal season…

            No maing….Belicheat is the devil. That or his bitch.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Cheney probably ate it with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

          • MB30SD

            seriously. that evil fuck gives me the creeps.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            You know he wants to wear Bush Jr. as a skinsuit.

          • MB30SD

            totally

      • Irish Sweetness

        He’s also a proven cheater. He would have to have ten wins a season for the next fifteen years to get anywhere near Don Shula. Think about that. And Don Shula once told a coach to throw the Raiders gameplan they had found in the bin. They lost the game. Belicheat would have studied it and come up with his own. Call that winning, I call Shula class and Bellifat a cheat.

    • Captain Obvious

      Here’s what I don’t get.

      Belichick is a defensive coach. Sure, he makes a pretty competent defense with JAGs, and so that makes him a good coach. But where the Patriots really excel is on offense.

      And we know from Brady’s knee injury, and now his suspension, that it’s not all him. Matt Cassel did crap after his NE days. Garafalo is not an elite QB, either. It’s not all Gronk. And it’s definitely not the WRs and RBs, who are largely JAGs over the past decade.

      So it’s the Patriot system? How many different OCs have the Patriots had? McDaniels has been OC for 6 of the past 10 years. Denver and St. Louis didn’t light it up when he was there. I don’t buy it’s McDaniels.

      So it’s not Brady. It’s not Gronk. It sure as hell aren’t the skill guys that they have. If it was McDaniels, the Patriots’ offensive success pre-dates his time there, and continued while he was gone coaching for teams that pretty much sucked offensively.

      So it’s gotta be Belichick, who doesn’t have anything to do with the offense. How does that work, other than a deal with the devil and/or cheating undetectably?

      • EnderWiggin

        Belichick is a defensive coach. But he is 100% involved with that offense. It kind of makes sense if you think about it: The best offensive coordinators really could be defensive minds.

      • willbest

        Its the white boy receiver according to Ian Rap. They only win 50% of their games when they don’t have one, but 90% when they do.

      • Badiak

        It’s not all Brady, Gronk or any one guy, but Belichick’s had low points before. They’re substantially worse on offense with Brady, Gronk and/or Edelman on offense. He’s good enough to rebuild an offensive identity on a week-to-week basis, which is still damn impressive, but he still needs something beyond JAGs to do that with.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Martellus put up 22 FF point slast week. He did okay.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Hunkering down for a Looooooonnnnggg Season.

    I’m ready. I’ll accept the pain, anguish, stupidity and disappointment if that’s what our Bears Season becomes. What else can a fan do? I mean if you want to call yourself a “Bears Fan” you got to roll with the bad as well as the good.

    I will cheer for my Bears for the rest of my days, hoping that we will win another Super Bowl in my lifetime. Turning 49 next month so, Hopefully the Bears will have many a season to take us there again and win before the “Big Guy” calls me to the sidelines in the sky.

    This is a big test for Fox & Co., can they shore up this team coming off a 0-2 start? Do they have what it takes to take what we have right now and find a way to win? I think they do. If anything I’m hoping the players themselves hate losing so much they come out like blood-crazed sharks and surprise everyone in Dallas. Screw Jerry Jones. BEAR DOWN.

    Bears = 24
    Cowblows = 3

    • willbest

      Bears have yet to score more than 14, and the Girls less than 19. Though the Girls have yet to hold a team under 20 but the Bears haven’t held a team to less than 23.

      This game has 23-27 written all over it. I just don’t know which team will get what.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Cowboys 33, Bears 6. It ain’t gonna be pretty.

        • CanadaBear

          For the Bears to win they will have to score a bunch. The Gals have a great OL, two good RB’s, a good but over the hill TE and a terrific WR. They are gonna score some points on the dinged up D. Will the Bears O respond? Doubtful.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Damn, here I am trying to be optimistic and you guys are all raining on my parade. 🙁

          • CanadaBear

            Sorry ’bout that. Hope you’re correct!

          • Badiak

            The ‘Boys’ biggest weakness this season has been their suspended/injured pass-rush. Tyrone Crawford is similar to what we had in Henry Melton a few years back, but other than that they’re as useless up front as we are. If Hoyer can’t put up at least 20 points against them with a fully healthy receiving core, he shouldn’t be an NFL backup.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        I’m envisioning the Defense getting 5 Sacks and 12 Hurries/Hits and 3 Turnovers.

        I don’t know why…but I think the Bears D is going to rampage.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Over maybe the best OL in the league?

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Lasike on waivers now…Hmm.

    • willbest

      Somebody said he missed a couple blocks in the running game. Can’t have that if you want to be an NFL FB. They still have Unrein for Goal and 4th and 1. Then again he is our starting RDE so he isn’t going to be as fresh as he was last year.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The fact that Unrein is a starting RDE on his team speaks volumes.

    • SC Dave

      Hmmm… inspires confidence in our GM

  • BerwynBomber

    Andrew Quarless is available but after the Ray MacDonald thing I doubt we would sign him. Don’t know how good he is anyway.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Vikings are gonna have an issue shortly. AP is getting the meniscus repaired, not trimmed, so he could be done for good, the rest of the season, or at least a couple of months. And they have the most fragile QB in the league now, with no backup in sight.
    Loins are the Loins.
    Packers are vulnerable, probably more so than they’ve been in a decade.
    And…then there’s us, with a dinged up QB, stud defensive players dropping like flies, and a coaching staff that seems unable to get the most out of the offensive talent that we do have.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      In other words, every team in the division is wildly flawed right now – we’re like the AFC West of a few years ago. It may only take 8-8 to make the playoffs.

      • BerwynBomber

        It was actually a little bit that way last year too. It’s not like either MIN or GB were at the top of anyone’s elite list. At least by season’s end. Just that Rodgers’ often gives the Cheese a puncher’s chance.

        • BillW

          I find that storyline to be of interest. He certainly looks off. Age? Mentally I’m sure he has the same field vision, command of the field – routes – etc. But physically he may not be as quick to act on it,.

          Or maybe he’s just had a couple of bad (for him) games. I’m interested because in my 60+ years we never had a HOF QB. They’ve had 3. The last two have one ring each (so far fro Rodgers). I’d think for as important as that position is, if you get it right you should be in Brady/Montana territory, not McMahon (and Dilfer)..

          • BerwynBomber

            I agree. Who knows? Could be Hollywood pussy (Olivia Munn). Could be Hollywood itself (Rodgers does a lot of commercial-type BS that you rarely see Brady do). Could also be — and this to me is the best explanation — he is an athletic QB (unlike Brady or Peyton) and those guys careers are generally shorter, or their games fall off more quickly.

            Btw, the one thing I would also add — and it’s not to completely excuse Farve or Rodgers — but I think the only HC they had there who was truly top-notch was Holmgren (in his prime). McCarthy to me is decent but there is always too much Trestman-like gimmickery in his O. Plus, some of his game decisions can be baffling. I’ll never forget that lateral punt disaster they tried against us that almost us gave us a game we had no right to even be in.. Also, there is the whole notion that Thompson is so caught up in his homegrown talent philosophy that they won’t roll the dice on FAs.

            Bottom line, I guess just a ton to choose from as to why the Cheese ain’t SF (of old) or NE.

          • BillW

            Since Cheesy is around I will in fairness say a lot of my feeling is based on the rivalry. Kind of like a person saying “if I had your smarts I’d be making a whole lot more money than you are” – when there is a lot more that goes into it.

            I’d like to think if we had a HOF QB we’d get more than one SB out of it. But we may never get the chance to put that theory to the test.

          • BerwynBomber

            True, but you can also say we had one of the best Ds ever and only got to one SB. Mind, I think the GB window has been larger with Farve and Rodgers, but we kinda dropped the ball back when ourselves.

          • BillW

            I was thinking about that too, but it seems that historically strong Ds do only get one SB – if that. Purple People Eaters – none. Steel Curtain may be the exception depending on how much credit you give Bradshaw (I give him little). But then us, Ravens, Seahawks. One and done.

          • BillW

            By the way – are you actually from or live in Berwyn? Ever been to the Golden Steer in Forest Park? Went there earlier this year – like an old school restaurant and very good food and cheap good beer. Never would have guessed it.

          • BerwynBomber

            Oh yeah. Had a very memorable night about ten years ago with a beautiful senorita at the Golden Steer.

            Not a bad place, but the problem is one gets spoiled by the downtown steakhouses — Gibson’s, Morton’s, Rosebud (although it’s mostly Italian), Chop House, Smith and Wollenskey’s, Sullivan’s, etc., etc. I’ve even heard decent things about MJ’s place. Or heck Da Coach’s, but his is more known for its chops.

          • BillW

            Da Coach’s by the racetrack (near where I live) is great. But the fancy places bore me sometimes and a back to basics is well appreciated.

            I liked Kinzie’s Chop House for a place a bit more basic yet upper scale.

          • BerwynBomber

            Valid point, but I guess if I plan to dine out on steak, I generally think a little upscale.

    • BerwynBomber

      The Cheese were worse last year even though Rodgers is aging and played like shit Sun night. But yeah they are vulnerable.

      Lions are also a bit of a MASH unit themselves at the moment (like us).

      MIN, for now, is the team to beat. Their D makes up for a lot of O deficiencies. A bit like our peak Jauron and Lovie years.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        They are going to have to ride that D all the way; I’ve, obviously, never been impressed with Bradford.
        They are lucky that they have two reasonably talented RBs in the stable, although the dropoff from AP to them is huge, and its not like their O-Line was making holes for him vs Green Bay. Asiata and Mckinnon will not improve on that.

        • willbest

          I maintain losing AP is the best thing that happened to that team. He is the 3rd best back on their roster. I get teams were stacking the box, but that used to not even matter. Now they won’t which should open up the running game and take pressure off Bradford. He might stay upright long enough to clinch the division. As you said it might only take 9 wins this year.

          • BerwynBomber

            But you’re basing that off 1 and a half games and supposition. He has been an absolute beast from the beginning of his career till now.

            Mind, I think your hunch may be right, but that is all it is: a hunch. No way of knowing it unless he came out and nosedived the entire year (or the majority of it).

          • AlbertInTucson

            He used to tear the Packers apart.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            And lose….

          • willbest

            I know AP doesn’t do pre-season and it takes him a couple games to find his groove, but him not being in the groove used to mean 3 YPC not 1.2

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Asiata spelled him for 14 carries against the Packers and only went for 2.3 (to AP’s 1.6), so I don’t see how losing him could help.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Their line sucks.

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            I mildly agree with Free Willy here.

            AP was running very poorly. Moving to a flex back will open up the game for them. The O line doesn’t block the run well, but they pass block well enough

          • Irish Sweetness

            With that Minny OL they should still stack the line, and blitz on nearly every play.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Lions just lost Ameer Abdullah for the season.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Joique Bell finds employment, again.

          • BerwynBomber

            I liked Bell a couple of years back. Dude ran hard. I’m surprised no other team picked him up. Damn …

          • AlbertInTucson

            I think staying on the field became an issue for him in Motown.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            29 years old and history of concussions made him expendable…at least for a couple of months.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ah, okay. Didn’t know. Shit, I thought he was one of their unsung stars of their ’14 playoff team. He and Riddick and Bush were a three-headed handful.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Theo was the man BEFORE Ameer went down. In PPR leagues anyway …

  • AlbertInTucson

    “We saw White practice well in Cleveland in the final preseason…”

    Yes, Iwas encouraged when I saw that, too

    But Monday night he looked like he was laboring out there.

    Howard looked quick.

    White did not.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    You know it’s a rough start to the year when you think, well, yeah Houston tore his ACL but at least he didn’t look like a buffoon doing it.

    • BearDown100393

      Progress.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      How can we make America great again without another Lombardi Trophy in Halas Hall?

      • willbest

        Donald Trump is the price of a Cubs World Series… do you really want to know the cost of a Bears Lombardi Trophy.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          A trip to Venice at the very least.

    • willbest

      I wanted to move on from Houston this season, we didn’t owe him any guaranteed. I felt him coming on strong in the second half of last season was more a mirage. Of course with them needlessly destroying McPhee’s knee I guess it made sense to keep him.

  • BillW

    Wanny used to be my most despised Bears HC, until came along. But I heard he was pretty good as an analyst on the CSN shows. Last night I caught his show – and I did in fact enjoy it.

    As a coach having been through this, he was asked “what now?” And though what he said has been said before by many, it rang truer for some reason.

    He said at the beginning of the season every team thinks playoffs and Super Bowl. That’s real – even if not realistic.

    But now the only focus has to be on winning a game. That’s it. How do we win this one?

    Again, we’ve heard that over and over through the years. I don’t know why but the way he said it made me feel it came from experience and had a lot of depth to it.

    So my point is as fans maybe we need to feel the same. No more predictions of how the season will end up. Let’s win a game.

    Andrew’s point on Hoyer is the same as mine, though he said it much better. Take your “star” QB out of the picture and concentrate more on how to maximize all 11 (plus key subs). The Bears offense I feel just might improve as a result.

    And if so, all the more reason to fire Birdcage because it meant it was there all along.

    • BerwynBomber

      Brian “Josh McCown” Hoyer. 2013 redux!

      Kidding aside, there is some twisted reason to what you and Andrew suggest. And as Butch noted yesterday, Hoyer may get the ball out sooner — that’s never been a Jay strong suit. So a bunch of quick underneath stuff, I suppose.

      Still, talent is talent, and once our back-ups have to improvise and, even more tellingly, make a big boy throw, we realize they ain’t Cutty.

      But we’ll see. There is always the McCown hope and even Pickles looked half-decent in that DET game before reminding us he was Jimmy Pickles in his ARI and SEA outings.

      • BillW

        I’m playing “best case scenario” to be sure. He could also end up looking like Todd Collins or Caleb Hanie.

        It’s a HUGE game for Birdcage and for Pace in my opinion. If the offense is even worse, they both are in for a lot of justified criticism. The statement that you can’t win with a backup is obviously false – and we don’t’ have to look any further than McCown to prove that.

        • BerwynBomber

          For Fox too. Fangio seems the only remotely safe at the moment.

          • BillW

            I don’t know why I give Fox a pass but I do. I treat him like he was brought here to bring some measure of professionalism to practices and camp and the locker room. Not necessarily to lead a winning team. Sounds dumb, but given what did, it was a necessary first step. In that he’s already succeeded, because our expectations have been raised significantly.

          • BerwynBomber

            Semi-agree. But that is why — my contention at least — the honeymoon is over. You get one year to show how more professional and accountable you are than Trestman. Now win.

            The other thing — again in my opinion — that raises expectations is their decision to keep Cutler. Were we taking our lumps with a young QB I think the rope would be a bit longer. But Cutler is a win now proposition. Unless you truly believe a four year rebuild with an average 33 year old starter is a wise move. And I’m not faulting Cutty for being what he is. More, the plan itself.

            But oh well. It is what is. On to Jerry’s World.

          • Irish Sweetness

            WTF? Not you too Ber! Fangio isn’t giving us a chance!

            P.R.E.S.S.U.R.E.

      • Irish Sweetness

        What if he gets the ball out sooner because he’s a pussy?

    • Irish Sweetness

      In relation to your second-last paragraph Bill … why not invest 5M in a good QB to be your backup? For a Billion-dollar business .. why would you not do that ….. if winning is valued?

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    No way Fox gets fired. It’s gonna hurt to suck for another year but what choice do we have really. It’s the reality of having the rebuild blues that’s tough to stomach.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/blog/ct-bears-mailbag-cutler-howard-pace-20160921-story.html

    • BillW

      Agree – though it’s not out of the question that Fox steps aside at the end. Depends on just how the season goes and his health.

      • willbest

        And by step aside you mean get fired while making it look like he is retiring because I am pretty sure his 4-year contract is 100% guaranteed.

        • BillW

          Adds a wrinkle to be sure. Didn’t realize it was 4 years. I figured if it was 3 years and he cited health the Bears would pay the last year. But I can’t see them paying two. And I doubt there are “injury settlements” for coaches.

          I just don’t see enough enthusiasm in Fox to last through this year and one more – much less this one and two more.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Yes but every coaches last year in a contract year is meaningless if a team doesn’t want them back. It’s the cost of doing business in the NFL.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Yeah. I forgot about the health angle.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    What’s happened to the Vikings is just brutal.”

    If you’re looking for sympathy, you’ve come to the wrong place.

    • CanadaBear

      The next line should be, “If you’re looking for trouble, look me right in the face”. Just a little different take on the song, I’m Evil.

  • AlbertInTucson

    If Cleveland is the

    “Factory of Sadness”,

    the Bears have become

    “The Superstore of Sadness.”

    • BillW

      Yeah – I don’t want to go there because I didn’t expect much in the first half of the season anyway. But losing like we did on national TV sure makes a difference than if it was a noon game local tv only.

      When you see what appears to be huge mistakes in judgement this early, it gets tough. I refer to not getting an actual OC after losing Gase, and whatever the deal is on the OL.

      I suppose we could add the lack of pass rush but I’m optimistic that Fangio will adjust to what he has and scheme around it. This is only game 3 of the second year of the rebuild.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Monday has little to do with the concept.

        5 post season appearances in 25 or 26 seasons has EVERYTHING to do with it.

        • BillW

          Being 64 hitting you too I see. You are quickly taking over my Eeyore personna. (Just a light hearted jab)

          • AlbertInTucson

            I am assuming I don’t have 25 or 30 more seasons to piss away.

          • BillW

            That’s what pssied me off about a year earlier than everyone else.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m the same age. Amen to both of you!

          • AlbertInTucson

            ‘When I get older, losing my hair…” – The Beatles.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Why are you optimistic Fangio will admit he’s wrong, Bill?

        Statistically he blitzes less than the vast majority of the league. That’s foolish. Either be around the median, or blitz a lot, but don’t go the other way. Teams KNOW he won’y blitz, so they can game-plan a wet dream for their shitty QBs.

        Vic Fangio has NO balls.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I still don’t gt hat. They were in the NFL Championship TEN YEARS IN A ROW and they won SEVEN. That’s the most amazing stat in football for me. It just gets white-washed.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Anything Pre-Super Bowl Era is pretty much discounted anymore.

  • TBC

    Look at Jeff talk drag himself back in to the look-aid tank. And it only took a cool 36 hours. Jesus, the guy has a sickness.

    • Scharfinator

      This article was written by Andrew? Or are we talking about Twatter?

      • TBC

        Yes, I’m referring to the meniacal ravings that is Jeff’s Twitter feed.

        • CanadaBear

          You might be one of the few regs that actually reads that crapola.

          • willbest

            I shouldn’t, but I do.

          • BerwynBomber

            My vision gravitates toward it as well.

          • BillW

            I read it too. I even click on the tweets he links to. I’m glad Jeff seems to be keeping it primarily football related – as opposed to times he’d throw politics and current events in. I often thought he should have a separate account for that. Maybe he does now.

          • CanadaBear

            Apparently I’m the only one that doesn’t read it. Oops. I’ve tried a couple of times but it does nothing for me. Esp links to some Twitter BS. Oh well, somebody has to be the old fuddy-duddy on the blog!

          • SC Dave

            I stopped after the first two days or so.

        • Scharfinator

          Having trouble with the typos today, huh? 🙂

    • TBC

      Kool-aid*, (obviously)

      • Irish Sweetness

        look-aid is Thai for ‘raisins’ …. so I got a laugh anyway.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    It’s not even optimism. Dallas has a terrible defense and rookie QB.

    I believe the Bears have well-established the fact that “Rookie QB” is not any disadvantage to their opponents.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Does anybody here not absolutely fear/expect that Dak Prescott WON’T make a living Sunday night on dump-offs to Witton. Elliot, and his new best friend, Cole Beasley, the Southwest edition of Julian Edelman? Then, eventually, he fakes to Elliott on a 3rd and short and either bootlegs for a TD or tosses to an insanely wide open Dez Bryant for 60 or 70 yards while the Bears defenders are introducing themselves to each other because 3 or 4 more starters are back in the training room?

      • willbest

        That is about the long and short of it.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dump-offs? He’ll be shredding the middle of the field. Our top three safeties are out injured. Who will it be? Houston-Carson-whatever and Bush? We’re fucked.

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    • AlbertInTucson

      This concept goes back to Don Horn coming off the bench to throw 2 TDs in the finale of 1968 and deny the Bears the Central division title in the only game Horn played that year.

      Prior to that it was rookie Fran Tarkington lighting them up for 4 TDs in the Vikings first game, ever.

  • MB30SD
    • CanadaBear

      You seem to be laying low. Did that complete dud of a game put you off a bit?

      • MB30SD

        A little… and super busy.

        Mulling divesting myself of our bears a bit. Just too much self inflicted additional angst i don’t need. I’ve got plentynif real life stress as it is canada. We’ll see

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    I like this story:

    http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-170k-in-mint-gold-allegedly-smuggled-in-body-cavity-judge-hears

    I think it’s time Irish and I got the band into the studio. Working on the song for this story. It’s tentatively titled “Gold Up the Ass”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kngBtoylIVM

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Yep, banks aren’t safe anymore and it doesn’t matter if you hide the Queens gold in your ass or your safety deposit box because they will get ya.

      Whoever wrote this piece was one creative son of a bitch. Lol

    • MB30SD

      Hiding the precious metal up his bum.

    • Irish Sweetness

      As long as I get Pussy Galore.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft
    • BearDown100393

      “There’s nobody in the world that has a right to be a bigger Bears fan than me.”

      This from the same man who farts and sleeps during live telecasts along with tagging George Halas with the “nickels like manhole covers” quote.

      • BillW

        And if dat ain’t Chicago, I don’t know what is, my friend!

        • BillW

          Reminds me of my father in law (RIP) who would fart in church then turn around as if to accuse the person behind him.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Don’t forget that he stole the Campbell’s soup gig from Jay Hilgenberg.

      • Scharfinator

        That fucking douchebag did that commercial in Packers gear. How can he argue that?

        Piece of shit.

        • willbest

          They lost every game he was in a Packers jersey though.

      • Irish Sweetness

        HOFer. Two Bear Championships as a player and coach. He’s a legend and deserves more respect.

    • SC Dave

      Fuck Ditka. Destroyer of a dynasty.

      Doug fucking Flutie.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Charles Martin was the Destroyer.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

    The Bright side: Hoyer

    The major problem with Hoyer is he folds like a cheap tent in playoff type moments.

    Luckily for us, we don’t have that problem!

    The reason the Texans dumped him was because he couldn’t get over that hump.Sorta the same reason the Broncos replaced Plummer with Cutler (oh, the irony). Hoyer is like the John Fox of QBs: he’ll get you to respectability, but he won’t win the big games.

    But like I said, we don’t have to worry about “big games” any time soon, so we likely won’t see horrible Hoyer
    (Granted, Bird Cage is the wildcard).

    Things we will see from Hoyer.

    1. Less sacks. He’ll get the ball out quicker. He’s a rhythm passer, and once he finds his groove, the O rolls. We got a glimpse of this in the last game when he completed 9 in a row. One might counter, “oh, they were in prevent” – well, how many times were teams in prevent for Cutty, and I don’t recall him hitting 9 in a row.

    Hoyer also does what normal QBs do and climbs the pocket. So, when those DEs swing around, he’ll do what all immobile QBs do and simply take a step up while looking down field (instead of just staying in the danger zone, or running right into the rusher). This also should lead to the patented Cutty strip sack we all see coming from a mile away.

    2. Accuracy. Already stated how he can hit ppl, and he can hit them IN STRIDE. This might greatly help out guys like White with speed or Royal who’s a superb route runner in gaining YAC. Should also help out Miller since throwing to TEs between all the bodies has always been a risky proposition with Cutler.

    3. Spread the ball more. Hoyer won’t just zero in on Alshon. Sorry FF owners, he just got downgraded. Part of getting rid of the ball quicker is going through progressions in a quick manner. Alshon’s not open, he’s not just gonna wait for him to get free. He’ll go on to read #2, #3…dump off. Yes, remember those? They exist!

    Things we wont’ see from Hoyer. Those 3rd down scrambles we frequently got from Jay. Those long 50 yd bombs. Maybe some fades or smaller window “wow” throws in the endzone (Hoyer simply doesn’t have that arm). If we get behind, he seems programmed not to let it fly, so that might frustrate some meatballs. Hoyer also has some uncanny penchant of throwing pick-6s. It’s really remarkable in some chaos theory sort of way, but when he does throw INTs, they always seem to be run back for TDs.

    But given the other stuff he does bring to the table, I say not that bad of a tradeoff. Hoyer also might be smarter than Cutler, which means he’ll be able to diagnose blitzes and call correct audibles to maximize the pass and run, but I’m still a little unsure of that.

    The real wild card is Bird Cage who’s offense seems even worse than Tice’s.

    All in all, bold prediction:

    Under Hoyer, the Offense will look MUCH better than with Cutler, and fans will begin grumbling, “Trade Cutler”.
    Irish will declare Hoyer king of the universe, and revisit the McCown what-if alternate reality while Waffle buys a Hoyer voodo-doll and begins pricking his arms with needles dowsed in tradewind.

    • CanadaBear

      The Bears don’t owe Cutler any more money. If the O plays better under Hoyer it’s not a foregone conclusion that Cutler automatically goes back in.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

        I never in my life thought I’d be looking forward to seeing Hoyer start in a Bears uni, but after the shit show of the first two games, it has come to that.

        I also hope to god that BirdCage begins using Howard more, while creating an actual game plan to attack weaknesses.

        I actually think Miller might benefit most from Hoyer going forward.

        • CanadaBear

          I’m no scout but I saw Howard come in and look like a big, fast RB with some mojo. 2 runs, 15 yds and then never see him again. WTF? Langford and Carey are both 4 rounders making rookie money, why would they get carries over Howard? Really makes you wonder about Mr Lane.

          • willbest

            Howard himself said something along the lines of the coaches won’t put you in unless you can pick up the blitzes, and that is something he works on.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

            Yes, there might be something to that. Langford does pick up blitz really well, and given the state of our nascent Oline still working on gelling, the conservative coach might’ve decided, “Shit, the new Oline and TEs can’t blitz block, I’m not about to add a rookie HB to that mix.”

            I don’t necessarily agree with that assessment, but I can see how the hamsters churn in HCs mind.

            Hopefully, given the 0-2 start, they’ll change philosophies.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Langford killed the 1st drive when he failed to get in the right spot on a 3rd down screen that then fell incomplete.

            Ka’Deem Carey took over as the top HB until he got hurt, and then Howard got a look too before going back to Langford.

            IMO Langford will be the #3 RB by the end of the season. He’s been bad. He might stick as the #2 just because he’s got top-end speed that neither Howard nor Carey do, but if he doesn’t get sprung into open space he’s awful.

          • BillW

            They promoted an RB from the practice squad. Maybe just for numbers though.

          • willbest

            He is a boilermaker so we know he can ball.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            yeah, Carey is out hurt

          • Irish Sweetness

            Raheem Mostert recently signed. He’s Langford-sized.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

            Langford fucks up some on blocks, but every time I’ve seen him step up, he generally does a good job at protection (Forte messed up from time to time too).

            I agree though. Langford seems to lack something for now – vision?

            He doesn’t seem to hit the hole hard.

          • Sactowns#1

            I think the missing ingredient is …..awareness!!!

          • SC Dave

            While it’s a bit premature for a funeral, Langford was NEVER the guy. While the anger is long gone, the astonishment remains of how many thought letting Forte walk was okay based on having Langford.

            Fortunately, they drafted Howard.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Probably all that’s keeping him off the field.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “I’m no scout”.

            So you COULD get a job as one with the Bears?

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

            I always feel like “I’m no scout” should be followed by, “But I got eyes and am not a complete Muppet”

          • AlbertInTucson

            Really.

            Its football, not brain surgery, despite what coaches would have us believe.

          • SC Dave

            But Langford, Carey, and Perry were good enough to let Forte walk.

            It was ludicrous. Irish was the first on the Howard bandwagon, and I called him starter by week 8 I think. Obviously, I was way off. Howard starts Sunday.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I really liked Perry.He was fast. Rodgers was our best pass-cathing back. If I was letting any of our backs go it would be Langford.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He was awesome in pre-season if you missed the last game C-Bear, he was averaging 7 YPC. Some will say, incorrectly, that means nothing. Langford was busy enough trying to gt 3 YPC.

        • BerwynBomber

          I hear ya. I’m less optimistic about Hoyer than you are — and Cutty’s obviously the superior talent — but damn it will be nice to be free of the Cutty excuses for a few weeks, or the deconstruction of every INT or fumble before an OL or receiver has to step forward to take fault for it to appease the CHI masses.

          In terms of your crystal ball stuff, I tend to think Cutty will have his job back as soon as he is healthy. Hoyer should get the ball out quicker of the pocket — that has never been a Jay strength — but sooner or later Hoyer will have to improvise or make big boy throws and will turn a weary eye to Cutler.

          But hey, for a game? Let’s see what Hoyer can do. Nothing to lose after the first two stinkers.

          • Irish Sweetness

            “Cutty’s obviously the superior talent ”

            Not to Percolator.

      • willbest

        Fitzmagic to Chicago

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

      Roto –

      Jay Cutler’s thumb injury is expected to cost him 2-3 weeks.

      This assumes the thumb heals normally. The Bears have been saying Cutler’s right (throwing) thumb is only sprained, and called him day to day. He’s clearly more week to week. Brian Hoyer will take over
      at quarterback with the Cowboys, Lions, Colts, and Jaguars next up on Chicago’s schedule and needs to be added in two-QB leagues. Hoyer is a competent enough backup that Alshon Jeffery shouldn’t be downgraded heavily. It’s perhaps worth noting that Josh McCown outplayed Cutler when Cutler missed extensive time during the 2013 season with groin and hamstring injuries. Cutler has proven himself to be a bottom-tier NFL starter.

    • BerwynBomber

      “Hoyer also has some uncanny penchant of throwing pick-6s”

      Uh-oh …

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

        It’s not necessarily that he throws a lot of INTs, but when he does, they go for 6 the other way.

        It’s like some statistical anomaly that’s become a running joke in Texas.

        Maybe it’s some sort of karmic redistribution, and Hoyer has like a 12 inch wang or somthing.

        • willbest

          I really don’t mind the 45 yard pick that gets downed immediately. Its a loss of possession which sucks, but at least its not a loss of field position.

    • Irish Sweetness

      1. No. He connected on his first nine passes because the defense was in prevent. He took everything underneath. Brian Hoyer is not a good QB.

  • BillW

    I will say it’s situations like these that make me glad I swore of Rosey and Haugh for good.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      Bill, I can see the Doomer and you being fast friends.

      • BillW

        Wow – now THAT was a very effective insult.

  • BearDown100393

    “If they lose, they lose”

    Huh?

    The line is, “If he dies, he dies”

    Dak, meet Willie.

  • willbest

    Alshon was limited in practice today. So apparently he didn’t miraculously come through unscathed while every other starter was hurt.

    • BearDown100393

      Of course Alshon was limited. There was nobody there to throw him the football.

      • willbest

        On that note, John Fox would not reveal who the Bears emergency QB is.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

          I think I read the Pats have Edlemen making throws in practice.

          Holy shit, make it so! Edlemen’s on my FF team!

        • BearDown100393

          Braverman!

          • willbest

            Just thinking of the possibility is enough to give me a chubby.

        • Irish Sweetness

          What, after Barkley?

    • SC Dave

      Possum playing

  • willbest

    JD seems to think the Bears should trade for Jimmy G. I am inclined to think that Belichick would somehow take Cutler and a first and a second for Jimmy G who would promptly shit the bed while Belichick wins 2 more SBs with Cutler.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

      We could have Joe Montana in his prime, but powered by the brain of Birdcage, Joe would turn into Chad Pennington.

      • BearDown100393

        Statue of Liberty

      • Irish Sweetness

        Chad was the most accurate passer in NFL history, no?

    • SC Dave

      That is EXACTLY what would happen.

      • MB30SD

        100%

    • AlbertInTucson

      This presupposes that Garappolo is available.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    Warrant issued for Josh Gordon. Baby mama needs some sugar for her baby.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

      Can Gordon not be a knuckle-head for 12 weeks?

      Jebus.

      #FFbench

      • MB30SD

        no

    • willbest

      You would think the NFL would offer complimentary vasalgel to all ultra promising high school, and highly promising college players that participate in the various clinics they run.

  • MB30SD

    gents, i’m quickly getting to a very real doooooooon’t caaaaaaaare place

    • SC Dave

      Hang in there MB. You’ll be okay on Sunday.

      • MB30SD

        i’ve already started dress shopping mate.

        and not that i’m totally down on this team, coaches, our chances…. i just think investing too much emotion is silly at the place i’m in, in my life right now. i don’t mean that to sounds overly dramatic, cause i’m in a great space…. just too busy with important shit to worry too much about a rebuild year. i’ll be bummed about the losses and happy with the wins, just wake me when it’s actually going to mean something

        • Freddy G.P. Soft

          I got there in the Trestman era.

          I am breaking up with my GF of 7 years.In the years we were together, she went from senior manager, to director to VP and is now working towards CEO of a company routinely on the cover of Crain’s.

          I have a son with Asperger’s. He’s a bit like Sheldon from Big Bang; he has a crazy IQ but has a lot of social problems. He is now in a therapy school because other kids picked on him in regular school. He also thinks other kids are stupid, that’s a different problem.

          As she gained in power and stature, she also started working out pretty hard, and now she’s just super A type and attractive, and just feels – hey, I can upgrade here. She all but told me my family situation is “less than ideal”. Which means, we’re not north shore fab for her. We’re too South Side for her. It’s partly my fault too, I would not jet set to Europe with her anymore – she’s a bear to travel with and I need to take care of the kids. But selling our house and going back solo at 47 again is a pisser. I should never have shacked up with a career woman with no kids, who doesn’t really LIKE kids. She loves my daughter, because my daughter at age 11 is a knockout and smart and social, looks like a young Cindy Crawford, and so she’s fabulous to take to ballet and put up on Facebook. But my son isn’t. So she doesn’t talk to him.

          Anyhow, I made my mistakes and went too power type-A, and now it’s a bail. Luckily we weren’t married, but I have a real problem that she has a problem with me and that my kids weigh into it. I told her she really should have just shut up about that, and said it’s because she’s just not into me and just me, and never brought up the kids because now I am not being nice about much with her.

          • BillW

            Tough story – wish you well.

            Sometimes I wonder if men and women are really meant for each other. I’ve concluded not long term. I’ve been married for 15 wonderful years. Sounds nice. Problem is we just celebrated our 41st anniversary.

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            So either:

            A. You married your girlfriend of 25 years.
            B. It just FEELS like 41 years
            C. You are Billy Pilgrim, living your life Slaughterhouse Five style

          • Sactowns#1

            Well aren’t you guys all a ray of sunshine today?

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            Cheer us up Sac. Move to Equador with your latin hottie and live the dream.

          • Sactowns#1

            Ah no longer with the latina, now I’m with a Chinese/ Thai girl. God you have to love California and the awesome combinations created here. Like duck pizza. https://food52.com/recipes/36197-peking-duck-pizza

          • Irish Sweetness

            @$$%!

            That means she’s (a) rich (b) she’s actually got tits. Nice one Sac. You picked up her up in Thailand didn’t you? Brought her back home?

          • Sactowns#1

            Nope. She’s California born and raised and finishing up her Doctor of Vet Med at UC Davis. Plus she puts up with some of my less savory habits, so I pretty much won the lottery.

          • BillW

            Married 41 years, the first 15 (approx) wonderful. The rest so-so with a few really bad ones in there. Not complaining mind you. Just stating a fact – that it seems rather unlikely that any two people can sustain a really great relationship for a very long time.

            Not even sure what made people think that’s a goal. Used to be purely for surviaval and pro-creation.

          • SC Dave

            Stop taking each other for granted – it should help.

          • MB30SD

            fuck that cunt gp.

            you are so fucking lucky she did you the favor. fuck that shit maing. and don’t worry about the 47 thing, no problems there man, you’ll be fiiiiine. millions of hos in the garden

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            I’m not too worried about it, really. I like that her ego got big enough she didn’t bother with the “it’s not you, it’s me” shit and just said it straight out: I can do better. And she probably can. She bragged that some Hedge Fund manager up in Lake Forest has been leaving his calling card professionally for months. Mother fucker is probably impotent.

            I’ve been lifting like Chicken Dinner on the Pats program. I will never have your physique, but I am 6’3″ and better than Connery Bond bod, but not yet to Craig Bond bod.

          • MB30SD

            chicks dig craig bond bod…. first movie craig. hes getting old

          • DaMurph

            Like you??? Ha!!

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha, maybe

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            so am i

          • DaMurph

            I got on here because I was having a shit day, thought I might cheer up. now I feel worse! Keep goin on GP, better now than later. Fuck here especially if shes just lookin for a trophy kid to put on display!

          • MB30SD

            and why are you having a shit day?

          • DaMurph

            We will have to discuss this one via text! Haha!

          • Sactowns#1

            Oooooohh. You ladies gonna start going to the bathroom together?

          • MB30SD

            yes

          • DaMurph

            You can come too Sac!

          • Irish Sweetness

            No Secrets!!!

          • willbest

            They will jump on Craig now. Its the status and confidence they find attractive. Being able to put a Hollywood studio’s nuts in a vice to the tune of $75 mil a movie would get even ellen degeneres wet.

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            ain’t just the dykes who love the coin

          • BillW

            You are fortunate that she is being straight with you. Sounds like an asshole, but at least she’s being honest about it and not trying to make it look like she’s trying to make it work when she really isn’t. I would think that makes it easier to move on eventually.

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            It is. The rationale was not to take on some other woman and her kids, but that was a tactical mistake. Not having somebody who liked kids was a big problem. Not liking MY kids was a bigger one.

          • MB30SD

            asshole

          • DaMurph

            Better than Connery? Good job Gp

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            Well, definitely Thunderball Connery. Going to Goldfinger Connery.

          • BillW

            I’ll stop commenting except to say for all the differences many of us have (or maybe it’s just me?) we do have a common bond (maleness) besides the Bears.

            Stories of guys separating from women they tried to make a life with make me sad for some reason.

            Or maybe they make me jealous.

          • willbest

            She is probably looking for you to grovel and beg. Glad to hear it sounds like you are going to help her pack her bags. I hope her crazy didn’t rub off too much on your daughter. Sounds like your daughter is going to have to struggle with crazy developing on her own, gotta watch out for the lookers, she doesn’t need tnk grrrl crazy on top of it.

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            I feel like Trump saying my daughter is pretty, but she really is. She is tall and will get alot of attention later in life.

            I am going to be her least favorite parent, refusing to sponsor a wedding in her 20s and making her get into U of I. I’ll pay for her wedding when she gets her MBA and can articulate the value.

          • MB30SD

            boom!!!!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t think he’s looking for ‘ho’, GP!

            Or ….are you Freddy? Eh? … take her to the cleaners and then get yourself off to Thailand for a few months.

          • BearDown100393

            WWJHD?

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            What would Madden do? Get on the bus and eat Turducken.

          • willbest

            Type A women get it in their head that the things they find attractive in men, are things that men find attractive.

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            I agree with that assessment. As she was promoted up the chain, it was interesting to watch her personality evolve to this position.

            I also saw the entitlement complex set in.

          • SC Dave

            Sorry, man.

          • Big Mike

            Best of luck. Take care of your kids. Don’t burn bridges, take the high road etc, etc and fuck the packers.

          • CanadaBear

            Sorry to read this GP. It’s her loss. Good on ya for working out so hard. That doesn’t happen overnight. People change and grow apart. No shame in that. Keep on, keeping on brother-man.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

            Take it from someone who has been in numerous types of relationships – fire and fire RARELY works.

            Somewhere along the way it becomes a power struggle where every little remark can be interpreted into some Machiavellian coup.

            You need yourself a nice type B personality.

            The sweet type who is in awe of your professional acumen and fatherly devotion.

            Sure, the trade off is that you can’t discuss epistemology or the intricacies of a bear market, but hey, that’s what Da Blog is for!

            Or, you can just do what MB now does after divorce. Pork as many easy sluts as humanly possible and call it a day.

            There are PLENTY of women who like older men. As long as you don’t look like a slob and make them laugh, that’ll be enough to get your foot in the door. The rest is really just not saying stupid shit and fucking up.

            Head up my man.

            On the plus side, maybe now you can spend more time studying FF!

          • willbest

            Never really understood the “But I won’t/don’t have anything in common” line.

          • SC Dave

            ‘B’ type does not exclude high intelligence, Butch.

            Trust me on that. I lived it for 28 years.

            Miss you, darlin’….

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

            It does not Dave, but it’s rare.

            I was with a girl 7 years who had a degree, and now works in bioethics at a hospital.

            And she was sweet and all that.

            If I would be the marrying type, that would’ve been the one.

            But most B types aren’t really that intellectually stimulating from my experience.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Why do you need your partner to be intellectually stimulating? That can lead to arguments. Friends, books, the internet. It can be found elsewhere.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yup, I had kids with an uneducated country girl and we never fight. Any more.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sorry to hear that Freddy. Fuck ‘er. Losing a bitch is no loss. Start lifting weights if you don’t. Fuck ‘er. You’re free. Grow. Enjoy. Vape.

          • Jokey

            Better now than later.

        • SC Dave

          Sounds good. I just have way too hard a time detaching.

          Maybe because I dont have any important shit to do.

        • Big Mike

          I did that with the Cubs during their rebuild.

          • MB30SD

            Mike…. baseball…. meh.

          • Big Mike

            This years Bears team < meh. Cubs fan my whole life. A championship caliber baseball team to support, is more fun than a dismal Bears team. Bears are far and away my favorite sports team. But the gap between good and the Bears is growing, not shrinking. If Fox isn't the guy, we've wasted 4 years. 🙁

    • AlbertInTucson

      Move over.

    • BearDown100393

      14-2

    • Big Mike

      That’s where I’m headed as well. The fact that there is another night game coming our way, fuck..
      I will tell you this version of the Bears made it easy for me to answer what would happen if a Cubs game and a Bears game intersected. With a decent Bears team NFL trumps baseball playoffs, (unless its a clinching game)

      • BerwynBomber

        Baseball over football? That’s crazy, BM. But then again, I’ll always loathe the Cubbies so next few autumns could prove tough sledding.

        They look like a juggernaut. They did things right. They finally put their huge advantages to work for them.

        • Big Mike

          I know. I’m a big Cub’s fan. Bigger Bears’ fan. If this team was tracking towards 8-8 or 9-7 I’d be watching the Bears until the last outs of a clinching game. This team so far.. blah.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I can’t blame ya. I’d wish you good luck with the Cubbies but that would require me to mean it. But I will say the congrats. They look about as unbeatable as baseball gets given its occasional post-season randomness.

        • SC Dave

          The Cubs have done nothing yet.

          A solid team, but it remains to be seen whether they have the “it” factor. You know, like the 2005 Sox. My youngest brother called me up in frigging June that season and told me they were winning the Series. And I, of course, was incredulous.

          But he told me “this team is different” and something about their ability to take advantage of mistakes. And he sure was right – I don’t remember a more opportunistic team ever. They had a knack of turning any mistake of the other team into an advantage.

          It was fun to watch -> 11-1 in the playoffs.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Chicago_White_Sox_season#American_League_Division_Series-_White_Sox_vs._Boston_Red_Sox

  • MB30SD

    watched john wick again last night with a cuddle partner. great flick

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

      better flick than fuck?

      • MB30SD

        Nope, got about 4 minutes in and then had to come back and rewind after. Hahaha

    • Irish Sweetness

      The cop calling to the door is classic.

      I love the commitment to sheer violence in the movie, it becomes funny. He shoots about 200 people in the face.

  • willbest

    So white Betty appears to have straight murdered a guy in Tulsa. And I do hope this video starts a national conversation about putting women with licenses to kill in volatile situation where they are regularly dealing with people that are bigger, stronger, and faster than them. Anyway no riots.

    Meanwhile in NC a black cop kills a black man who may or may not have had a gun and may or may not have been ordered to drop the weapon, and riots. Attacks on police, shutting down interstates, looting trucks.

    And this actually seems pretty par for the course from BLM, because when the cops actually get caught murdering somebody, the citizens seem content to let justice play out, but when its an unknown or looks like it was a justified killing then out come the looters.

    • Sactowns#1

      Well think about the south and the communities relationship with the police. That’s just for starters. http://handbill.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Civil-Rights-Dog-Attack.jpg

      • willbest

        I am not following the implications in that.

        • Sactowns#1

          The police have historically been an antagonistic force in the southern black communities, not protecting and serving. Perhaps this town feels like the people in Ferguson did, which investigations have found was rightful indignation. Idk, I don’t walk in their shoes or live in that community, but those seem like logical explanations.

          • EnderWiggin

            Remember not long ago in Charleston SC:
            Young white dude with white power roots, takes the rifle his uncle buys him and goes on a shooting spree inside one of the oldest ‘black’ churches in the country.
            The next day the national media tried their best to push violent tendencies. However, every interview they received from members of that community (including family members of victims) they all talked about forgiveness and education..
            Maybe it is just a Myrtle Beach/Lowcountry thing, but even during questionable police brutality issues, this whole area seems to embrace their offices: local, county, and state.
            Makes me almost proud that my wife and I chose this area.

          • willbest

            Well that guy wasn’t a cop. So its not exactly apples to apples.

          • SC Dave

            True, but still… it was the Christian way to respond. Though I know the left hates it, I found it supremely admirable.

          • EnderWiggin

            All the communities down here react the same during ALL tragedies. Forgiveness and calm.

          • SC Dave

            The reality does not fit the stereotype, Ender.

            I had no idea you were on the strand. Maybe I should come down and we can watch a game together.

          • EnderWiggin

            That would be awesome. Whereabouts are you?

          • SC Dave

            Columbia. Just need a bar on the beach with decent beer!

          • SC Dave

            Fucking this; I’d do about 500 thumbs up for this one. Thanks so much for posting.

            When Sharpton and the race baiters showed up, tbe congregation basically showed those assholes the door.

          • Sactowns#1

            What area is that? I have family out in the Kershaw area.

          • EnderWiggin

            I’m in Myrtle Beach, probably about an hour or so to the SE.

          • Sactowns#1

            Ah of course I know where Myrtle Beach is. Crabby Mikes is pretty amazing!!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I just googled it. Looks lovely … and then the heroin epidemic jumps out at you.

          • Big Mike

            Truth.

    • Big Mike

      All of these cases are being brought into the light. Some of these cases are clean shoots. Some are not. Most could be avoided with better training.

      • EnderWiggin

        I’m glad you brought that up. Training is key. Different training. +1

        • SC Dave

          So shit, cause that aint right

  • BillW

    “Bears are gonna be a ferocious offensive line. ”

    I’ll settle for solid. I like Kyle Long as a player – and he fits the mold of a Bear. Sitton fell in our lap and probably is a couple year player. Whitehair hopefully is the answer at center because they are really betting a lot on that. The tackles are OK or below.

    So I don’t see where the optimism on a “ferocious” line comes from. If they become solid I’ll be happy.

    • SC Dave

      Its an attitude statement, and I agree with it.

  • Big Mike

    My passion for football is still intense. I’m doubling up on my coaching work to keep my mind off the Bears. Looking at HS tape, breaking it down. Put in a “nascar” offense and a 46 defense with my team.

    • Big Mike

      Also took shit for being a Bears fan, from a bunch of hyped up 13-14 year olds.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Ha.

        Do HS kids run 46? It’s more like a 5-3-1 with a pair of corners.

        • Big Mike

          No it’s a 46. 4 guys playing dline technique, 2 lbs on the LOS, 2 LBs. 8 in the box, with 3 DBs.

      • SC Dave

        Nothing 30 wind sprints wont fix

        • Big Mike

          We get into it about each other’s team. So it’s fair game. You would not believe. I’m in the heart of Redskin’s territory. By comparison sake, Naperville. Out of the 20 kids on the team, there are only about 1/2 that are Redskins fans. 2 cheeseheads..(by birth). They get extra attention.

          We only use sprints for training purposes on Monday. Penalty Yardage is the biggest part of the formula. Penalties that wipe out big plays result in gassers, On a good week they’ve got 5 sprints. Worse so far has been 20 (sideline to sideline).

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Introduce them to the concept of Freddy Soft.

        • Big Mike

          Please explain.

    • BerwynBomber

      The Hoyer thing will interest me for, at least, a game. Might be rubbernecking-past-a-car-wreck interest, but that’s often the nature of compulsion.

      • SC Dave

        Nature of compulsion indeed. I know that w.r.t. football fandom. Fifty+ years and I still have not learned.

        • Cormonster

          Nature of Compulsion. Isn’t that MB’s ska / alt-country / grunge garage band?

          • SC Dave

            Probably.

      • Big Mike

        We’re in the same boat. By Saturday, I’ll be looking forward to it. We knew this year was about getting pieces to work together. I’m more frustrated and discouraged by the injuries. WTF. 7-8 guys wiped out of the game, plus McPhee and Fuller out. Damn.. White, a non-factor. Massie looking like Jwebb, Cutler looking like a fucking statue, damn…

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

      Dude, run the Amoeba!

      Esp with younger bucks where their size ranges so much.

      Also, it’ll confuse the shit out of the opposing coaches and players.

      • Big Mike

        I don’t have 7 quality DBs. My version of the 46 sends 7 guys with a couple stunts. We’re working on disguising who is coming. Kids love it. We will work on it for a couple weeks. Maybe give it a go. Right now it’s about teaching the concept and technique.

        • Irish Sweetness

          That sounds like fun for them. Let us know how it goes!

          • Big Mike

            Sure will. Our base defense is a typical youth defense with a twist. We line up in a 4-4 but one of the 4, the Jack LB will blitz every play. So its a 5-3 with one guy that the opposing o-line has to account for, but doesn’t know where he’s coming from. All relies on gap discipline. Somebody blows their gap and we look like Trestman’s defenses. Youth Teams are passing quite a bit these days. So the LBs have coverage responsibility. When we run 46 (we call it “Buddy”), They just all go.

  • Malice Halice

    I’m a huge Bears fan and I live in Minneapolis and I must say it’s tough being a true bears fan living in Skol territory and next door to the Wackers. Monday was my last day as a cutler fan. Trust me, I ALWAYS defended him thru thick n thin I just can’t anymore. Since 2009 da bears went thru so many bodies it’s sad. Ppl specifically brought in to help cutler not the team but specifically cutler. To keep it real though our O-line is fugding pathetic. Ryan Pace ain’t helping either. I mean how da hell he let the vikes get R.Hillman before us when we tried n failed to get CJ Anderson? Bring back our 46D!
    3-4 scheme ain’t meant for us. Bear down!

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

      Don’t blame you.
      Welcome to the ex-cutlerites bandwagon.

      Not much room left, so hurry up and get yourself a nice seat as it’s going to get bumpy with the Hoyers roads we’re about to traverse.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Cutler brought a curse with him from Denver. The trade just never produced a winning team. The Bears were on the rise at the time and ever since then, we lost our mojo.

        #balladofthecurse

        • Malice Halice

          Seriously! I watched the Knee-gate videos and then I revert to last Monday game and I now know that dude cutler is a choke. How we go from a NFC championship game, to this? I mean with the talent cutler was bestowed with! If Carr Wilson or even Cam had all the weapons cutler got ,1 of em them 3 would have ATLEAST 1 of Peyton’s passing records. Or most points scored in the season or something.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I don’t even put a name to Cutlers tendencies. To me that’s irelevant. The trade was cursed, its that simple. Angelo must have some serious skeletons in his closet.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think we can certainly say that Kyle + two firsts and a second (or third?) was not worth it.

          • SC Dave

            “even Cam”?!? Newton is considerably better than Carr and Wilson.

          • Malice Halice

            Yes even cam! obviously he’s better than them my dude. You didn’t even have to imply that. But has any of those guys had a better offensive roster than cutler? Hopefully you don’t need to Google rosters to answer that.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Cutlers career reminds me of Jeff George with a better arm. Both had great talent, very successful NFL careers but things just never panned out for them. Jeff George played 16 NFL seasons. That is a very successful career imo.

          • SC Dave

            Certainly in the bank account balance sense.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I don’t think ANYBODY has or had better arm than George.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Brett Favre?

          • AlbertInTucson

            No, not even Narcissus.

            To me, George just seemingly flicked the ball and it looked like it was shot from a rifle.

            But he was a head case from the get-go going back to his college days and bounced all over the league to less-than-great teams looking a a quick fix at QB.

            3 winning seasons in 12 and a career record of 46-78.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Ok then, Jay made slightly better choices?

          • SC Dave

            It depends. The Bears line has been at best below average, and while not a phalanx of studs, I’d call the Panthers line better.

            Let’s see:

            Benjamin = Marshall (actually, probably better -> just wait, you’ll see)
            Olsen > Bennett for sure
            Ted Ginn >> anyone the Panthers have had.

            So the disparity is not quite what you might believe.

            I really hoped the Panthers would sign Forte, because I want to see Matt in the Hall. And that would likely have done the trick.

          • madscout12

            And what’s Cams competion %? South of Cutty. Good thing he can scramble.

          • SC Dave

            Completion % means nothing to me; it’s a stupid stat. Far better is yards per pass attempt. Career wise, it’s very close, Cam at 7.3, Jay at 7.2.

          • madscout12

            Again, good thing Cam is built like a LB and runs over CBs in his sleep.

          • SC Dave

            I don’t see the relevance.

          • SC Dave

            I guess I’ll have to revise my statement. Completion % is good for ball control.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly. Superbowls. Cam’s already been in one, and been in the playoffs 3 times(?) in his 5 yar career.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Cam is the #1 FF player by some degree – it’s not even close. He’s a point-scoring machine. Did he have ten rushing TDs last season?

          • Malice Halice

            Yea I see your point, but being a bears fan it’s hard to say somebody else squad is/was better but I agree tho. It just sucks man. Cutler should’ve exploited those assets.

          • SC Dave

            No doubt there.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dude, EVERYONE”S squad is better than ours. We’re going for the top draft pick, how can you not see the that?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ted Ginn would leave AJ for dead. The Panthers have one of the best OLs in football this year. Fozzy will step in and hey won’t miss beat … after this week.

          • BerwynBomber

            “Considerably better” than Wilson? Hmmmmm …

        • willbest

          And by winning team you mean Lombardi, because 2010 was pretty winning, and 2011 we were on the way against except he had to break his thumb. We paid for him like he was Drew Brees though, and that hurt because we couldn’t get him the o-talent he needs to win before the wheels fell off the defense.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            It just wasn’t meant to be Wil. That’s how I see it.

          • Sactowns#1

            And Sauron sees all!

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Mmmm…This might convey my thoughts more accurately…..
            Cutty was the Rhesus negative parasite that killed the Rhesus positive host. Angelo tried mixing water with oil, it was never going to pan out.

          • SC Dave

            But how MANY TIMES does it have to be “not meant to be”?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Who knows? Cutler reminds me of the hot chick in H.S. that I finally got to date but broke up with after realizing we just didnt have fun together.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, but even when we gave him the O talent in ’13 and ’14 his production vs TO numbers were pedestrian. But I get your larger point about needing the perfect/balanced team.

            Then again, it might be rare to see that even in recent SB winners. Closest I can think was maybe DEN last year. Peyton sucked but they had a lot of playmakers on both sides of the ball and I believe their interior lines were solid. But most of the other SB winners of recent memory — NE, SEA, BAL, NO, GB — seemed less than perfectly balanced. Though three of those did have top-notch HCs. Payton and McCarthy I continually question.

          • madscout12

            We gave him an O, but the D was ranked 30 and 31 in points allowed those years. And the DC was a moron.

            But yeah, perfect balance.

          • willbest

            It probably would have been enough in 2011 if Martz knew how to use a pass catching TE and they had managed to scrub up 1 competent tackle

          • madscout12

            And if Cutty didnt break his thumb or if we had a competent backup.

          • willbest

            I figure he wouldn’t have broken his thumb if he had a competent tackle. Butterfly effect of sorts.

          • BerwynBomber

            We gave him an O and he still wasn’t that good offensively. In his 26 games during the ’13 and ’14 years he had 47 TDs and 43 TOs.

            I don’t hate Cutler. Hell, he is better than anyone else we have had since he has been here. But he has been nothing more (to this point in his career) than an average QB.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            How many years has Cutler been on the team? How many playoff wins does he have as a bear?

            I’m sick and facking tired of excuses. Just win baby and making the playoffs every 5 to 8 years just won’t cut it for me anymore.

          • BerwynBomber

            Playoffs once in his 11 year career. Every 5 years would be more than doubling the actual success rate.

          • willbest

            Excuses for Cutler? Or excuses for the Bears? Because our problems predate Cutler.

            It just seems silly to single a guy out for decades of mismanagement. I guess he is the embodiment of that mismanagement. And quite frankly you would be still down on the guy right now even if he Jim Kelly’d his way to 4 SB losses 2009-2012.

          • BerwynBomber

            “And quite frankly you would be still down on the guy right now even if he Jim Kelly’d his way to 4 SB losses 2009-2012.”

            I wouldn’t.

            But yeah, I get your point about management. I will blame him less than I will management for deciding to build around him these last two regimes; that is, if the Pox plan doesn’t pan out.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I’m not singling him out. I’m calling it like it is. All in all, Jay was an amazing enough athlete to be a starting QB in the NFL for what? 11 years? I acknowledge that. I’m also acknowledging that he was not the Bears answer. I’m crying over spilt milk more than anything.

          • SC Dave

            But he hasn’t Kelly’d his way to even one.

    • BearDown100393

      Jay loves you unconditionally.

    • BuddhaJoe

      Yeah, blame the guy who’s never had a line, had his good targets dumped, never had coaching worth a shit. Good luck when the Bears jump back on the 20 year QB Carousel. Jesus Christ. Enjoy the next Craig Crenzel, Kordell Stewart, Sexy Rexy, and Brian Griese. Fuck.

      • BuddhaJoe

        And let’s not forget Cade Mcknown, Tomzach. Jim Miller. Kyle Orton, Todd Collins, Caleb Heinous, and Jimmy Fucking Clausen. Fuck these Tribune retards that found this blog, this was the refuge.

        • BerwynBomber

          Well, Miller took us to as many post-seasons as Cutty.

          • BuddhaJoe

            So did Sexy Rexy but I hope nobody is using that as the standard.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not really. Cutty is obviously a better QB than each, but unfortunately or otherwise, QBs are often judged by their wins.

          • BuddhaJoe

            True, see my apology above.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Where are all those guys that used to say Cutty was better than McMahon?

            Jeff was their champion.

            Steve Young wouldn’t have learned the game of football sitting on a bench behind Cutty.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Whoa Nelly! Jim Miller wasn’t terrible. Kyle Orton went 10-6 as a rookie and holds the NFL single-game passing record for passes completed to the same player (The Beast). He was good. They are not in the bucket with Collins and Hanie.
          Tomczak was a nice kid that Ditka destroyed.

      • Malice Halice

        Yea but other qbs have dealt with the same thing and made it to nfc/afc championship games so… yes i blame cutler! Who wants a qb to be a consistent 1-2 turnover a game and can’t even fuckin win in the process?! His IQ should be great I don’t give a FUCK about OC’S because he should have the “veteran “mentality to prevent that shit.

        • BuddhaJoe

          Umm, who? Even Brady and Rodgers throw dumbass interceptions but they have a TEAM. Look at Brees, the guys a hall of famer but except for one year his TEAM blows.

          • BerwynBomber

            But they throw dumbass INTs a lot less than Cutty. In fact, Brady and especially Rodgers turn the ball over at a historically low rate. Comparing Cutty to them is ridiculous.

          • BuddhaJoe

            True story, they’re way better than Cutty, didn’t mean to imply otherwise.But they’re also Hall of Famers so unless you think they’re falling out of the sky it’s stupid to compare him to them.

          • BerwynBomber

            I wasn’t. Just thought someone else was.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Sorry I thought the other guy was going full Tribune Retard so I may have overreacted. Just sick of that shit.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Did you see Manning the year he won it with the Broncos? He was the worst QB in the NFL. Like, officially.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Peyton threw six in one game and nobody mentioned it. I’ll never forget that.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Brian Griese was good.

    • MB30SD

      Ronnie fucking Hillman?!?!

      There’s a reason dude’s no on the chargers. Dude’s whack. Nice first post. : /

    • Irish Sweetness

      So … his thumb injury and a shitty o-line had nothing to do with it? After his best ever season and fresh from a good pre-season …

      Bring back the 46?? We can’t find TWO good down lineman to make that work, never mind the 4 legends we had. We don’t have Mike Singletary, the CPU through which the 46 ran. He had to diagnose the play and call the adjustments immediately. It took him a couple of years to get the system down.

  • Sactowns#1
    • willbest

      wow 14 of 18 hitting the target is amazingly accurate for police officers.

    • willbest

      On a more serious note, I have been thinking about the issue of officers killing mentally ill people and it might be perhaps in the best interest for voluntary subdermal trackers. This would help locate mentally ill people in the case that they get lost and also alert police officers to their presence so as to be less inclined to misconstrue their behavior.

      • Irish Sweetness

        In the war between mentally ill people and the police, mentally ill people are winning right now.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      Executing the mentally ill right on the street really saves on long term Medicare costs though.

      Might have been easier to just run him over with the cruiser. .40 fmj is getting expensive

      • willbest

        Apparently your former GF wasn’t prone to scarping parking garage support pillars, because the body shop bill on minor dents and spot painting is obscene.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

    Think we should go after Greg Roman for OC.

    Reunite Fangio and Roman.

    That offense should be easy to install, and will be a true power run O which should fit our Oline better.

    • BerwynBomber

      I’m suddenly a bit wary of the Harbaugh coaching tree.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Predictolator#1overall(Butch)

        Yeah, I can understand, but Greg Roman’s O is basically like SEA.

        Some read-option, power run, bootleg, etc

        It made Tyrod Taylor, a 3rd stringer before, a decent starter.

        And if we’re looking for a new QB, his system will be easier to learn.

        I’d prefer Roman over Bird Cage any day of the week.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If we drafted Deshone Kizer that would be a thing.

          1-15 looks really bad. 3-13??

    • willbest

      You don’t think he is ready for the big boy chair?

  • CanadaBear

    AP out up to 3-4 months. Doubt that knowing he is superhuman. Probably half that knowing AP. Article said he tore the bucket-handle of the meniscus. Requires more than just an arthroscopic trim job.

    • BerwynBomber

      Tough couple of months for MIN. Would be like us losing Alshon and Cutty for the year.

      • willbest

        His backup rushed for 50% more YPC carry than he has this season.

        • SC Dave

          Perry? Seriously? He couldn’t even beat out Langford.

        • BerwynBomber

          Again, you’re basing the entire end of his career — at least as it relates to AP’s stats — on a game and a half. And again, you might be right in regard to your hunch. And hell we might never know. But it is a hunch. An educated one, I will give you. But still a hunch.

          Perry? Hmmm .. not sure. Both Asiata and McKinnon have had their moments when AP has been out. I’m more surprised no one gave Joique Bell a look until the Lions rang him this week.

          • BuddhaJoe

            My girl’s a Lions fan who loved Bell’s story. I wouldn’t have minded them signing him just to try and convert her to the light side, plus he ran hard when he could. Probably wouldn’t happen though.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, he was tough during their ’14 post-season run. I was saying earlier that he and Riddick and Bush were quite the three-headed backfield that year, and Bell was the banger.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Completely unrelated but do you ever go to Carm’s around Westchester? It’s close to my grandma’s and it’s probably my favorite Italian beef. Just saw the Berwyn thing and thought you would know.

          • BerwynBomber

            No. Sadly, I don’t even know of it. If want a Beef I go to the Buono on Roosevelt or I may travel to Johnnie’s in Elmwood. But thanks for the tip: I’ll keep Carm’s in mind.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Nothing wrong with Buono, they’re great. I’m hoping one of them moves across the lake so we can eat some here in Michigan. Giordano’s finally opened a place in Holland so I’m hoping the beef comes across the lake next. Even if it’s corporate like Portillo’s.

          • MB30SD

            meh, i wasnt that impressed… aaaaand shady didn’t buy me a beer. asshole

          • BerwynBomber

            Portillo’s? Well, it’s a local chain. I consider it generally good grease, but frankly I don’t eat much of that type of food anymore. At least in comparison to my younger days. You like In-N-Out in CA?

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, I was expecting a religious fucking epiphany with my first bite. Maybe you guys oversold a bit?

            Meh, it’s ok. Some people love it. You can get muuuuch better burgers at some of the local little gastro pubs. As far as fast food indulgence, for me, you can do mo better than the western bacon cheeseburger at Carl’s jr… I think you guys call them ardys or something…. hold on I’ll check…. ah, hardees.

          • MB30SD

            a lions fan…. yeesh

          • Irish Sweetness

            Matt Asiata is solid.

    • Malice Halice

      Yet we still can’t take advantage of the loss

      • CanadaBear

        Bears play them on Halloween. That would be the soonest AP could be back. Who knows?

        • BerwynBomber

          Call me cynical but I wonder if, for MIN, his contract will factor into the decision of his return. In other words, if he’s only signed thru this year, return ASAP. If he is signed thru next year, maybe you tell him to rehab all year and try to reload next year with him, Teddy or Bradford with another year under his belt. Heck, maybe a year off rejuvenates him for one last Pro Bowl type season.

          • willbest

            Adrian Peterson is owed $18 million next year, none of it guaranteed. He will be a free agent regardless of anything related to the injury.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I think they’d just as soon be rid of his baggage.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Their defense will murder our O-line. Bradford et al will murder us in the middle of the field. Could be a shutout.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Unconfirmed reports of a torn LCL, too.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    Reading SEC filings is like going to the dentist and getting drilled in the jaw.

    But this one really is priceless. Son who manages at a hedge drops a dime on his dad for insider that profited his dad but fucked him.

    https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2016/comp-pr2016-189.pdf

    • willbest

      I hate it when father and son can’t get along, haven’t they ever seen the movie Maverick.

  • SC Dave

    YIkes!

    • MB30SD

      Hahaha… I keed, I keeeeeeed

  • Malice Halice

    Times so hard nowadays that a division rival can lose their qb and Apex Rb and STILL be projected to do better than us! Bewildering!

    • madscout12

      They do have a nice D. And that RB currently sucks and the QB they now have is better than the previous one.

      • willbest

        I have GM envy.

        • BerwynBomber

          I’ll admit to having Wentz/Pederson envy after Monday night. Though I still think Pederson is half-nuts for not taking the FG when they were up 15.

      • Malice Halice

        Madscout I live in MN n I been telling these dumb asses here Bradford is better than Bridgewater. Makes cutler look even shittier given he had 3 weeks to prep n did decent against the wackers

        • willbest

          I thought it was only 2 weeks.

          • Malice Halice

            That makes it mo fucked up

        • madscout12

          How many games would Cutty have won against those fucks if they only scored 14, Rogers fumbled 3 and got picked twice?

          • willbest

            Cutty has thrown like half his interceptions to the fudgies, and you still have to beat the zebras with them.

          • madscout12

            Bingo

      • SC Dave

        Yeah, I don’t get all the Bradford hate. He’s played for garbage teams – this may be the best offense he’s ever played on.

        • willbest

          He is brittle, other than that he is same as cutty the 10-20th best QB playing.

          • BerwynBomber

            Younger though, so it is a bit like the Cutler/Stafford debate. But yes, Bradford’s brittleness is a whole other issue.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I agree. I was watching him in pre-season and I was surprised. Didn’t look like he deserved any flak, he made the kind of throws you need a B to make. He’ll be great for the careers of his receivers, they can get the ball downfield to Diggs anyway. And he’s doing okay behind a crappy line. Their defense might be enough on its own to win the division.

  • willbest

    Even if I believed Betty 100%, that last line is why you don’t put women in that situation.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/tulsa-police-officer-shares-side-story-terence-crutchers/story?id=42243843&cid=abcn_tco

    A man who is on what you believe to be PCP, walking away from you mumbling, and reaching into his car should not cause you to be more scared then you have ever been in your life.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Turns out the car window was closed so he was even reaching in to the vehicle.

      • willbest

        Conflicting reports at the moment on that one. But it doesn’t matter, she should have drawn her taser instead.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    2nd night of Charlotte rioting. 16 more cops injured tonight.

    • willbest

      Saw a tweet where the Ritz=Carlton had to barricade its doors with furniture. But these idiots are trying to start a race war. Looting the NASCAR hall of fame… shits going to get real when word gets out to the hillbillies.

  • Malice Halice

    If anybody wanna get updates about the Tulsa or Charlotte I’m sure can log onto Facebook or something. Us bears fans are dealing with enough already.

  • wreckinball

    Another ridiculous jump to conclusion

  • BerwynBomber

    41 years ago today arguably the greatest Chicago Bear ever had his pro debut vs. the Baltimore Colts (back then teams played whopping six preseason games).

    On the day in question rookie Walter Payton had 8 carries for 0 yards. Obviously he improved a bit on that inauspicious start in the following weeks and years.

    • Irish Sweetness

      R.I.P. Wally.

      Funny, I was just thinking about the Greatest Bear. I was watching Hester’s returns last night and some guy had written in the comments that he was the greatest Bear of all time. As sacrilegious as it sounded, it got me thinking. Saying who the greatest running back ever was involves much debate and definition. Durable? Single season? Short career? Situational? But the greatest return man of all is surely a less crowded debate. The only opposition you would get putting Hester forward is another older Bear fan shaking his head and saying Gale Sayers.

      • AlbertInTucson

        If Sayers had only returned kicks, Hester would have been chasing Sayers return records.

  • EnderWiggin

    I’ll never forget the morning after my father’s first heart attack. I was probably about 9 or 10, and carrying a big ‘ol bouquet of flowers someone had got for my dad. A few of my relatives were crossing the street to go into on of the side entrances of St. Francis Medical Center (Peoria). Just before we were going to go inside a beautiful cherry red Rolls Royce pulls up to a parking spot right near the entrance.
    Naturally this got our attention… Would you look at that! Holy shit! The driver of the Rolls was none other than Mr. Fucking T! Holy shit! I was a huge fan of the A Team. Who wasn’t?
    Quickly thinking, I knew I’d never get this opportunity again. I ran up to the passenger side of the Rolls and tried to hand Mr.T’s hot-as-hell girlfriend/wife my father’s bouquet.
    She got kind of big-eyed and excited as I started handing her the flowers. But as she was snatching them from my hand, Mr. T pushed them out of her hands and back into mine and says (I swear to God, guys) he says:
    “We can’t ‘cept no gifts, foo!!”
    Best day ever.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Dude, you tried to give a whore your dying dad’s bouquet?

      MWAH!

      Sorry.

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