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Across The Middle – Week Seven

| October 19th, 2016

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We entered this season believing in John Fox for one reason above all else: Thanksgiving 2015. He needs a repeat performance to restore the faith.

As mediocre as the Packers have been this season, the Bears roster should not be able to compete in this game. They’ll likely be down their top four cornerbacks and three of their top four pass rushers. Oh, and Brian Hoyer is going to be the quarterback. The same argument was made about the Thanksgiving night game last year, but the Bears won because they played their butts off and John Fox was a large part of the reason why.

Fox has never been and is never going to be a good in-game coach. His teams are never going to be known for their discipline and his philosophies will always be simple. But Fox has survived because his players fight for him and give him everything they have. Fox needs to show he can still get that out of them this week.

I don’t know if winning the game is realistic. The Packers are ticked off and the “what’s wrong with Aaron Rodgers” questions are guaranteed to bring out his best. As important as wins and losses are, this Bears season should have never been defined that way.

This season is about showing they’re headed in the right direction. Right now, the young talent GM Ryan Pace has acquired is obvious. We need to see if Fox can get the most out of them.

Tomorrow night is when he needs to start proving it.

The Worst of Brian Hoyer

This is why the Bears were able to sign Hoyer for pretty much nothing.

Hoyer is better than he’s getting paid, I actually think he’s one of the best 32 quarterbacks in the league, but there aren’t 32 starting-caliber quarterbacks right now. He can move the ball down the field. But in order for the Bears — or any other team — to win with him, they need everybody else to be perfect. That didn’t happen on Sunday and Hoyer couldn’t make the plays they needed him to make.

I charted Hoyer with 18 inaccurate passes. Four of the Bears second half drives ended with inaccurate passes, including their last drive — although Alshon Jeffery deserves blame for his impossibly sloppy route too. It wasn’t just the deep passes to Alshon that Hoyer missed. He missed a deep ball to Miller and another to Meredith. He’s never going to be able to throw it down the field accurately. It’s just not who he is and that’s why he hasn’t stuck with any of the teams he’s played for (but I bet Houston would trade Osweiler for him).

In his four starts, Hoyer has played well twice and poorly the other two times. Green Bay is the rubber match. If he plays well, I think he’ll keep the job for the rest of the season. (Of course, Conspiracy Andrew also thinks the Bears might intentionally be sitting Cutler out so he doesn’t get hurt and therefore ruin his trade value.)

Dowell Might Be OK

Lost in all the talk about Hoyer is the fact that Dowell Loggains has made him look like a capable NFL quarterback.

The Bears aren’t scoring touchdowns for a variety of reasons, from penalties to the limitations of their quarterback. But I don’t feel like their offensive coordinator is the problem, or even a large part of the problem.

Hoyer has thrown for 300 yards in four straight games because Loggains is finding ways to get him open receivers to throw to. If Hoyer hits Jeffery wide open twice the last two games, the Bears have two more wins. I don’t think Loggains is Norv Turner or anything, but getting production out of Hoyer is impressive.

The biggest difference between the Bears with Hoyer vs. the Bears with Cutler has been the play of the offensive line. Hoyer has had clean pockets to work from and Loggains’ play calls have given them open receivers. The offense should be judged by the points it puts up and the Bears aren’t scoring enough. I don’t know if Cutler alone could fix that, but I’d love to find out.

From The Chart

• Part of the reason for Hoyer’s rough day: Pressure. The Bears allowed nine quarterback disruptions (hurries, hits and sacks), by far the most they’ve allowed in any of his starts. It was a particularly rough day for Charles Leno, who allowed four hurries and a sack. Cody Whitehair was responsible for 2.5 bad runs.

• After breaking 10 tackles against Indianapolis, Jordan Howard only broke one against the Jags. I’m not quite sure why Ka’Deem Carey was playing over Howard in the second half — Carey also only broke one — but it was the worst game the rookie has had to date.

• He didn’t get roasted deep, but Bryce Callahan gave up seven catches for 73 yards. Tracy Porter only gave up three catches, but one of them was a clumsy 51-yard game-winning touchdown.

• This might have been the best game for the Bears pass-rush. I had them with nine disruptions, which is three fewer than they had last week, but they were going against a much better offensive line. Vic Fangio wasn’t afraid to bring pressure this week, something I’ve been asking for all season.

So, What Is Wrong With Aaron Rodgers

It’s the question the entire state of Wisconsin is asking right now, but the answer isn’t easy.

My first thought is that he isn’t all that different than he’s ever been, but his receivers aren’t what they once were. The Packers have Jordy Nelson back, but it isn’t the same Jordy Nelson who they had two years ago. He has lost a step and is much closer to what James Jones was for them last year. That’s fine, but it doesn’t scare defenses.

They overpaid to keep Randall Cobb and high draft picks like Davante Adams and Ty Montgomery haven’t produced. It’s a far cry from when they had Nelson, Cobb, Jones, Jermichael Finley, Greg Jennings and Donald Driver.

But that doesn’t tell the entire story because their receivers are still good and better than what most teams have. Their offensive line might be the best pass-blocking unit in the league and their running game is always productive. Their quarterback still has an easier life than almost every other quarterback in the league.

Whether it’s because he doesn’t trust his receivers or doesn’t like his coach, Rodgers is no longer willing to play within Mike McCarthy’s system; a system that has proven to be successful with several different quarterbacks. He’s holding onto the ball, always looking to make a miraculous throw. Sometimes he does make those throws and Twitter blows up. Far more often, however, he’s throwing incomplete passes and their possessions are ending in punts.

None of this should matter against the Bears. In addition to being ticked off, he’s going against a banged-up secondary. He still can — and will — roast a bad secondary. He’s going to look at Jacoby Glenn and smile every single play.

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  • SC Dave

    First win for Hoyer-led Bears over Packers! It’s coming, baby.

    • MB30SD

      I’m all in dave!

      I just cain’t quit you

      • SC Dave

        Solidarity, bro.

  • BearDown100393

    Hoyer bad, #BirdCage good?
    And the character assassination of John Fox continues.
    Bears still beat Green Bay.
    11-5

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, Loggains suddenly morphed into Bill Walsh since Hoyer took over. Funny that.

      • BearDown100393

        It has gotten weird here lately.

        • BerwynBomber

          The Cutty Excuse Express runs 24/7 even when he is not the current conductor.

          • BearDown100393
          • CanadaBear

            Other than Johnny, Jeff and Andrew, I don’t think anyone else is on board.

          • beninnorcal

            I’d rather be watching Jay run the offense, if he’s healthy, hands-down.

          • CanadaBear

            I would too but we aren’t still beating the drum for him in Chicago. That ship has sailed for me. After this year, I don’t see any way he stays with the Beloved and unfortunately the Bears will get nothing for him. So Bears.

        • Jokey

          This season is over and it should be all about growth. Hoyer probably gets everyone more involved than Cutler. But my guess is that Cutler would win more games and have the team playing harder, which sadly we need right now.

      • Johnnywad

        I’m not sure that’s fair. Loggains has obviously improved since his first couple games as an OC. That would be expected regardless of who is playing QB wouldn’t it? The line has gotten better with game reps as well as the RB situation due to Langford’s injury. Cam Meredith is contributing and looks to be a better receiver than White. The pieces are fitting better and I think he sees it like we do.

        Loggains appeared to misunderstand the Bears’ weaknesses in protection his first couple games. That has obviously improved along with the growth of Cody Whitehair.

        • SC Dave

          I agree with all of this, but regarding that last paragraph, don’t discount the fact that part of the “improvement” in protection is that Hoyer goes through progressions faster, and gets rid of the ball sooner, than Cutler.

          While you gain higher completion %, fewer sacks and fumbles, you lose the downfield passes.

          Yin and yang.

          • Joecashflow

            He had down field targets last game, but like most bottom feeding starters, he can’t hit em. Makes sure he overthrows so no INT.

          • PaceBot 2000

            anyone can just dump it off asap for 5yds. That’s the issue with the offense.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The annoying thing is obviously Cutty could make all of the throws, but he won’t dump it off as often as Hoyer will precisely *because* he can make all the throws.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t think he goes through progressions at all. He knows where his highest percentage route is and he hits that. When it comes 3rd and long or somebody is open downfield … his lack of skill in throwing the ball negates his throwing the ball to where it needs to go.

        • BerwynBomber

          No, his “improvement” is not a given at all. In fact, a guy like Trestman actually became worse an OC as time wore on.

          Is the line better or does Hoyer get rid of the ball quicker? I don’t know. Whitehair I suspect would improve but who knows about the rest. They could have been less dinged the first two games and therefore more healthy and Massie is still Massie.

          Meredith vs. White? I don’t know. Could be both played a little better with Hoyer. Again, I don’t know. Nor do you.

          The only legit Cutty excuse, in my eyes, is Howard. That’s it. That is the only thing we know is different and probably has nothing to do with the change at QB.

          • Johnnywad

            Not a Cutler excuse at all.

            I would think most ordinary people would be better at something the sixth time they tried it than the first. Loggains would be in that group.

            As for the line, week 1 had Whitehair moving to C and Sitton one week new to the scheme. 3 of the 5 linemen weren’t even Bears the season before. It’s a pretty common thought that offensive lines need time to “gel”, especially where rookies are concerned.

            As for the rest, I don’t have any better/more information than anyone else. But the offensive line definitely looks improved and plain old horse sense would suggest Loggains is learning each week, unless he’s a complete fucking retard.

        • EJ

          ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!

          You know what they need? Coach Babich, Kyle Orton, JWebb and Hunter Hilenmeyer! Yeah! We’ll win the bowl!!!!!

      • willbest

        Except the part where the Bears offense was terribad in week 3 when hoyer started.

  • MB30SD

    Hey andrew, i have your answer for rodger’s woes in one simple word…

    The curse of the hot movie star ‘girlfriend’… Olivia munn

    • BearDown100393

      Vinyl

      • CanadaBear

        If you’re talking about the HBO show that’s Oivia Wilde.

        • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

          Olivia is straight.

          • CanadaBear

            Wilde or Munn?

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            Wilde. She was married to some Monoco prince who treated her like shit when she was 20. Now she is married to the SNL guy Jason Sudakis and is preggos again.

            According to Sudakis on some comedy podcast, it’s widely known she gives the best head in Hollywood.

          • CanadaBear

            She’s certainly hot and looks great (and naked) on Vinyl. I’ve always assumed Olivia Munn was gay and her and Erin are beards for each other.

          • Bender McLugh

            Umm…..Olivia WIlde likes the ladies too. Just sayin’

        • BearDown100393

          Crap

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      Olivia Munn……Mamaciiiiita!!

    • Huge Bears Penis

      A little known fact: Olivia means “actually a”. Munn is derived from french meaning ‘monk’. Historically monks are men. So Olivia Munn is ‘actually a man’

      #cliffclavin

      • MB30SD

        She’s a maaaaannnnn baby!!!

      • BearDown100393

        “So?” – Brett Favre

  • CanadaBear

    “Right now, the young talent GM Ryan Pace has acquired is obvious.” Andrew appears to be all in with Pace. I’m trying to figure out where all this young talent is and why do they suck if they are so talented? I know Fox is part of the issue but I’m a little baffled. I think Pace has done an OK job at best but that’s it. You can’t consistently whiff on your first rounders and be a really good team. It’s not like all the other picks and FA’s are making up for those horrible picks. At this point PE/Nessman was way more successful than Pace/Fox. That doesn’t seem possible.

    • BearDown100393

      Pace is a really good GM. He just needs to separate college injury updates from scouting reports a bit better.

      • CanadaBear

        I think he needs to do more than that but that would be an excellent start.

        • BearDown100393

          You gotta Pace yourself…

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      I’ll give Pace a pass on White. Who could have known his leg wouldn’t stay in one piece. Floyds the pick that baffles me. And he traded up for him. He’s so fucking skinny, he has a 0 percent chance of being any good unless they hire the sandwich/burrito guy i’ve been pushing for.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    I am entertained this morning by the thought that Johnny Waffle’s life mission is to rebirth the late 80s Celtics.

    If the wife gives birth to a mulatto Dennis Johnson type, it might be time to club the mailman.

    #Walton4ever

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Irish’s Secret Aquaman Castle?

    http://tinyurl.com/zk8cnll

    • SC Dave

      A classic film!

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Podesta really does come off as ‘King of All Douchebags’ in those emails. He thinks he’s Frank fucking Underwood. What a tool.

    • SC Dave

      The DNC leadership is rife with arrogant fucks, perhaps to the point of being populated by nothing but. Given how easily they have manipulated their constituency and alleged “journalists”, it is not surprising they are that way.

      • “The worst part of all this is that they will be awarded, yet again, with victory.”

        More because of who they’re running against than what they’re running on.

        • MB30SD

          My god, i mean all the gop had to do was offer up a fucking regular human being and they couldn’t even do that for fuck sake.

          I would have voted for pretty much anyone but that collosal dickbag trump.

          What a joke it all is.

          • BearDown100393

            Curt Schilling to the rescue….

          • I think I mentioned this in another thread, but Trump isn’t really “Republican”

            He claims he’s going to not start wars, so he’s not a classic “war hawk” in that sense. Nor does he come from a military background.

            He’s def NOT Evangelical.

            And he’s not fiscal conservative, or is he? No one really fucking knows. Does he want a flat tax? Does he want to scale back government and regulations?

            And that goes for his Wall st stance too, which might be why corporate am is backing Hill.

            The GOP TRIED giving their constituency a more traditional Rep like Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, but they were rejected by the new tea-bagging/berther/wall crowd, much to their dismay and horror.

            The GOP stoked the fires of that faction, only to find out that the Tea-baggers are now the party.

            As they say, can only ride the tiger for so long.

          • CanadaBear

            Pretty shocking the GOP didn’t see the hate mongering coming back to bite them in the ass.

          • Watching Fox through the election was pretty funny. There came a point when they realized, “holy shit, Trump is going to be the Republican nominee. This isn’t just a circus show anymore to drum up ratings” and that’s when the republican “civil war” began.

          • BearDown100393

            Takes awhile. Still trying to figure out what went wrong with the Nixon-Kennedy televised debate.

          • BearDown100393

            Cruz, Rubio and Kasich are normal human beings?
            Interesting!

          • I would say, more traditional republicans.

            Cruz is kinda creepy in my book, though perhaps the smartest of the bunch too.

          • BearDown100393

            Anyone sired from Kennedy’s killer has to be a bit of a creep, right?

          • Cruz has lifeless eyes, black eyes, like doll eyes…dead kennedy eyes..

          • willbest

            Rubio is now on record saying the GOP shouldn’t be talking about wikileaks. He was the regular guy, and it turns out he would have bent over for her to peg him too. We were getting a Clinton or a Bush this election no matter what.

          • yup. no one to blame but the tens of millions of people who chose him.

          • BearDown100393

            An adjective before “people” is required.

          • delicious?

        • SC Dave

          Perhaps, but go view the Veritas stuff and the resulting media narrative about all Trump supporters being yahoos.

  • willbest

    Bob Dylan is apparently less than enthused about being the first musician to win a Nobel prize in literature. And as of this morning has not responded to the committee, or acknowledge the award in public.

    • Bob Dylan won the Nobel prize in literature?!

      That’s like a porn star winning the academy award for best actress.

      What a disgrace.

      • willbest

        Maybe that is what he thinks

      • PaceBot 2000

        then you haven’t seen Jenna Jameson in “The Kiss”
        She transcended the screen.

        • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

          I guess that’s better than transgendering the screen.

          #Kaitlyn

        • MB30SD

          Hahaha

      • SC Dave

        It is far, far, more legitmate than prizes awarded to AlGore and Obama. Maybe he is ashamed to be associated with those guys.

        • MB30SD

          Sigh

          • willbest

            How come GP and Butch get a pass and Dave and I don’t?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Aah grasshopper…. You must sometimes go around the mountain.

          • MB30SD

            they’re ususally responding to you guys, not the ones starting shit.

            Although, when GP does do it it’s to rile you guys up and get you going. GP!!! Stop that!!

            Can we just cut it down a bit, it’s all that’s been posted. Shit gets old maings.

          • willbest

            I tell you what. If you can get to GP or Butch and tell them to cut the political shit on the day, before I have had a chance to respond, I will honor your request.

          • MB30SD

            how about you be the big boy and start

          • willbest

            Honestly the way you throw the flags around here, I half expect you to suit up in a zebra uniform at the Packers game tomorrow.

          • SC Dave

            Maybe that would help?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Poets win it. Songs are poems to music. I don’t get all the controversy.

        The Martian winning best comedy is the one they should question.

        • Well, maybe a poet can win the next MTV award to make it even.

          Put “a terrible beauty is born” into a rap mix with girls shaking their ass.

      • DaCoaches Mustache

        Have you read any of the guys lyrics? They are fucking amazing and changed my entire outlook on life when i first went through his catalog in my early twenties. I get people shitting on his music, it’s very simple but the words are the words and they deserve every award they can get. Coach out.

        • SC Dave

          Agreed.

        • He’s no Camus.

          And he’s probably not even the best song writer anyways.

          I can think of a few bands/singers that are likely better.

          Trent Reznor. Depeche Mode. Pink Floyd. Johnny Cash.
          If you wanna go rap, TuPac, etc

          What’s Dylan’s best “lyric” – The hurricane, times are a-changing?

          Good lyrics, but they don’t compete with stuff like The Sound and The Fury, 100 days of solitude…

          C’mon, man!

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            You haven’t listened to enough songs if your are seriously comparing any of these people to Dylan. They would all agree, to a man that Dylan is better than they are at writing songs.

    • CanadaBear

      I read they couldn’t find him. Maybe they should have checked here first.

      http://www.pollstar.com/resultsArtist.aspx?ID=74518&SearchBy=bob%20dylan

    • MB30SD

      Assssssshooooooole.

      Fucking self-important hipster (og) douche

      • Huge Bears Penis

        we know that about will what are your thoughts on Dylan. LOL, I KEED, I KEED!

        • MB30SD

          Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…. SNAP!!!!

      • CanadaBear

        I think he’s a tad old to be a hipster. Fabulous songwriter, horrible singer. I agree with the douche/asshole comment. My favorite sister has seen him live at least a dozen times. I love some of his songs as long as someone else is singing.

        • MB30SD

          Hhahahaha, that soubds very accurate. He didn’t seem to mind taking a fat check from IBM. capitalist pig. Haha

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt. He’s sold songs for various commercials. I know his songs (and him) appeared in Caddy commercials years ago.

        • BearDown100393

          Favorite sister?

          • CanadaBear

            Yeah, I’ve got 3 sisters. Two that are religious and one that is profane. I love all 3 of them dearly but guess which one is the favorite?

          • BearDown100393

            Got it

        • SC Dave

          He does sing every bit as badly as Neil Young.

          • CanadaBear

            I think he’s even worse than Neil. Although I think Kris Kristofferson might be the worst of all.

    • BearDown100393

      Update – Bob is “thrilled”.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Show of hands: will you bother with the debate tonight or watch the Cubs?

    • CanadaBear

      Already voted. I’d watch the Cubs but I’ve committed to going to a benefit for a friend of a friend.

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        The Marc Trestman benefit concert for the Undead?

        • CanadaBear

          I was trying to keep it a secret ya bastid! You do know he’s out of work again.

    • debate. can’t turn away when a dumpster fire is burning its brightest.

      • willbest

        Obama’s half brother or something is going to be in attendance with Trump. Hillary has demanded a change to the handshake protocol

        • i saw the half brother thing. not sure how that’s supposed to shake her. that would be like hillary bringing gary busey’s accountant.

          • willbest

            Its not to shake her. Its a PR stunt to the 12 people that might be undecided and watching “Obama’s own brother supports me”

            The change to the handshake seemed interesting to me because from what I can tell its to prevent Bill and Melania from shaking hands. At the last debate that would have meant placing Bill in the same screen with his harem, but Trump was told he couldn’t seat them with his family. I didn’t see what the issue was this time.

          • dunno. maybe hill doesn’t trust bill near melania?

    • AlbertInTucson

      I think FAIL SAFE is on TCM tonight.

      Great cast.

      Walter Matthau as an Ultra-Hawk.

      Great movie and book except for 1 gigantic plot hole.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Also SEVEN DAYS IN MAY is on tonight.Great movie, too.

        • SC Dave

          Really? Now THAT I would watch. And it’s what we might need after this election. 🙂

    • BearDown100393
      • Bender McLugh

        SCANNERS!!!!!!!! +10000

    • I haven’t even see one debate. Keep telling myself I’ll catch it on Youtube, but can never bring myself to do it.

      At this point, we know where both stand.

      Let’s face it, the only real reason anyone watches is to see what stupid shit Trump will say next.

      Everyone’s half-expecting Trump to meltdown and runover and slap Hill’s haggard face with his orange pruned prick, but has yet to happen.

      Stay tuned.

      • MB30SD

        I would, in fact, tune in to see that

      • BearDown100393

        Trump grabs her.

        • MB30SD

          Her what?!! Do we have confirmation she has a vagina?

          • BearDown100393

            That is why you have to watch the debate and find out.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Pit of Sarlaac resides between those legs underneath the cobwebbed muff.

          • BearDown100393

            How do you know this in such detail?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Only a Sithian Lord has the courage to mount that beast.

          • MB30SD

            Gnarfle the Garthok

      • Bender McLugh

        just watch the SNL skits. Pretty much says it all.

      • SC Dave

        “Everyone’s half-expecting Trump to meltdown and runover and slap Hill’s
        haggard face with his orange pruned prick, but has yet to happen.”

        Can you imagine the ratings coup!! The youtube post would get a billion views.

    • Malice Halice

      Cubs. And I’m a Sox fan at that

      • willbest

        But you are watching to see if they are going to continue to go up to the plate holding their bats backwards.

    • SC Dave

      neither

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, I know Hoyer is the 2nd to do it for THREE straight, but has any Bear QB ever thrown for 300+ in FOUR straight games without an INT.

    Has any Bear ever passed for 300+ in 4 straight, WITH INTs?

    • Really doubt it.
      And esp with Hoyer’s completion rate.

      If Fox wants to win with 17-21 point games, Hoyer is his man.

      We just have to build our roster like the Vikes (and get a K who can hit from more than 40)

      • SC Dave

        With the () part, we could be looking at 23-27 points per game!

    • Huge Bears Penis

      NO.

      • AlbertInTucson

        As I suspected.

  • I do agree with Andy’s contention that this game might be Hoyer’s last chance to keep the starting gig.

    (If Cutler’s smoking hand isn’t that hurt)

    Bigg’s pointed out that the run game really suffers in the redzone – the avg is like 1.2yds/carry in the redzone, and that plus the penalties and some off throws has really hampered the TDs.

    Loggains needs to get more creative and aggressive in the redzone, but we don’t call him Birdcage for nothing.

    The offense seems really close though. But much like the rest of the team, it seems to sputter when needed most.

    • willbest

      Has hoyer thrown a TD into the paint or have his TD throws come from the person getting it a couple yards short and then pushing in?

      • off the top of my head, he threw a TD pass to Miller which was heavily contested.

        But from what I’m seeing, that’s the system.

        Receivers cut routes a little short of the sticks or endzone, and it’s up to them to get that extra yd or two. Presumably, because that’ll make them more open since Ds will be squatting on the sticks or TD line.

        In that sense, it’s like the Trestman WCO.

        It’s a bit annoying, but that’s the system.

        • SC Dave

          Certainly seems to be. I can’t imagine the receivers cutting there routes short of the marker nearly every time were it not by design.

          • Yeah, it’s consistent, and if it weren’t designed that way, if Hoyer was always throwing it short when he wasn’t supposed to, we’d be hearing about it, no doubt.

            I don’t know what the percentages are for throwing short of the markers – I’m sure POX has some analytic guru claiming it’s a better conversion rate, but it’s still frustrating on gameday

            (holy crap, I think I wrote the exact critique for Trestman a few years ago, and at that time Cutty responded that he trusts Bmarsh and Alshon ‘to make plays’)

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, even as a Cutty skeptic, I’ve never felt Hoyer was better, though I think he has generally played well in Cutty’s absence.

      The play-calling? Who knows? Never seemed as bad as some said it was in the first two games nor as good as those some people now claim it has been since. I do know that the RZ TE screen to Miller against JAX was one of the single worst play calls I can remember in awhile — made no sense.

    • Bender McLugh

      This is Loggains first OC gig, right? He’s showing he can handle it, but can he keep it up and also improve the weak areas like RZ offense – that’s the question for me.

      • CanadaBear

        He was an OC with the Titans for 2012-2013.

        • Bender McLugh

          ahh for some reason I didn’t know that

  • Scharfinator
    • willbest

      It looks like Jeffery’s WR diva grew three sizes.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        How does his fairly logical comments make him a diva?

        3 points does not equate to wins. Score fucking TDs!

        • willbest

          I didn’t say he was ODB all of a sudden. But that is biting criticism from Jeffery relative to his general reclusive state.

          • SC Dave

            Alshon wants to win. Can’t blame him for that.

    • BearDown100393

      #BirdCage

    • SC Dave

      Alshon does not have a personal website (which says something in itself). Too bad, I was going to go drop a note of encouragement.

  • Doc Nitty

    Bears: Still love ’em, god bless ’em.

    Pack: Still hate em, god fuck ’em.

    Amen.

  • willbest

    We had the Czech authorities arrest a Russian hacker in Prague. We will see if the Russians contest extradition to the US

    • Jokey

      More info: “It was unclear what hacking attacks the man was suspected of participating in. A police spokesman declined to provide Reuters with additional information about the arrest.”

      • BearDown100393

        He downloaded the unreleased Metallica album.

        • MB30SD

          that’ll get you jail time.

          dumb cunts. only band in history to get their most rabid fans to hate their guts. SMFH

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            Fuck Lars. Little Danish bastard.

          • MB30SD

            I think I’ve seen that puffy lion looking mother fucker hetfield in SD

          • CanadaBear

            There were a few funny lines in Get Him to the Greek when Lars was banging his ex. Russell Brand is a DB but some of that movie is really funny.

          • EnderWiggin

            Awesome flick. Puff Daddy was classic in that movie. The Furry Wall scene still cracks me up when I think about it.
            “What’s a Jeffery?”

  • BearDown100393
  • BerwynBomber

    Matt Bowen — a dude whose opinion I trust — thinks the Rodgers drop in play is based mostly on mechanics/technique. Said that if you watch Rodgers in ’14 (or earlier) he sets his feet squarely on nearly every play (but full scrambles/rollouts) and that it isn’t happening as often anymore and he is even bailing on a few plays. Suggested that Rodgers may have fallen too much in love with his ability to extend every play and throw the ball from virtually every angle.

    Bowen also suggested the Cheese offensive scheme sucks. Static, three WR sets which are based almost entirely on isolation routes. Said NYG now runs the same O — McAdoo was on McCarthy’s staff. Suggested that a team like NE does a ton more rub and zone routing, which doesn’t rely nearly as much on a WR winning one on one battles to achieve separation.

    He is an interesting listen.

    • MB30SD

      One of the trainers at my gym is a big cheese fan. He and I have friendly smack talk every time I’m in. Good dude… funnily enough he is a roid barbie clone (golden ponytail of locks and all), just not as big/roided out.

      Anyway, I asked him this morning what he thought his issue was and he said he thinks the WRs are all lazy loafing bastards. I found that interested.

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        Jordy Nelson is lazy?

        • MB30SD

          dunno, I don’t really watch cheese games unless it’s us.

          And I have a date with a really cute black girl tomorrow… because, I just DOOOOOONNNN’TTTT CAAAAAAREEEE about what happens anymore.

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            A RCBG sounds favorable to a RBBT. Good call.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Or has he lost a step after surgery?

      • how much ya benchin?

        also, we used to blame jay’s troubles on the smurfs. we didn’t get away with it, so that guy shouldn’t, either.

        • MB30SD

          Do you even bench??!

          Yeup

          • way to dodge the question. i peg you as a 155-er.

          • MB30SD

            Sigh, nice reverse psych.

            260 for 12 Tuesday bigboy

        • BerwynBomber

          What do you mean we didn’t get away with it? Cutty’s excuses are still ongoing. One of the latest? Loggains is now a good OC (but was terrible to Jay). We have heard nothing but Cutty excuses for eight years.

          P.S. I’ve always thought the Cheese WRs are slightly overrated. Nelson and Cobb are good but I don’t think either is a true #1. Adams is not much more than a JAG who happens to catch passes for Rodgers.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I’m sure that jibes with Rodgers’ theory on what’s wrong..

    • Jokey

      Do you have a link please?

      • BerwynBomber

        He’s a regular guest on the Score. That is where I heard it. He does work for ESPN’s website now too so maybe he has written about it as well.

        • I think he might be too “technical” for the laymen.

          I love listening to him too cuz I always learn something new, but I bet the networks think he’s overly complicated for the standard or casual meatheads.

    • AlbertInTucson

      The other theory, of course, traces his issues back to his current GF.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, that was mentioned by the hosts as well. Bowen, as an ex-player, kept it strictly about football.

    • bad mechanics leads to bad Qbing! say it aint so

      #backpeddling
      #loafofBread

      The Gmen O sorta stalled out too, but exploded last week, so I guess we’ll see.

      For some reason, I get the sense that many offenses are meh.

      Maybe it’s due to the oversaturation of the WCO or Shanny-philos of small ball control.

      Even the more exciting ones like the Cards and Steelers can look like shit.

  • CanadaBear

    Some good news; Knile Davis is a fumbler. Gotta love that!

    http://www.nfl.com/player/kniledavis/2540178/profile

    • BerwynBomber

      Hah! And like you said yesterday, “desperate” move. How often do you see Thompson trade for a veteran, period, let alone during the season?

      • CanadaBear

        I think it’s a conditional 7th rd. Everything I’ve read there’s no way Fat Eddie is playing. I looked at their roster and the only other RB’s are John Crockett and FB Aaron Ripkowski. Starks just had surgery but is still listed. Fat Eddie and Knile Davis are listed, too.

        • SC Dave

          Ripkowski? Shit, we’re in trouble. How can you not be Bronco reincarnated with a fucking name like that!?

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Gives new meaning to the phrase “going balls out”

    https://imgflip.com/i/1cmir9

    • CanadaBear

      Tsunami vs claustrophobia? Tough call for me.

      • MB30SD

        yeah, I was thinking… I guess rolling around in my own vomit for an hour is better than dying. I guess.

        • SC Dave

          And then dying anyway, since it’s “airtight”

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Rodger Dodger. He just will not address the declining ratings thing.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000724083/article/goodell-addresses-tv-ratings-in-press-conference

    • willbest

      If we are lucky this will get him fired.

  • BerwynBomber

    Looks like it is Geno Smith part 3 for the Jets. Take a seat Fitzy.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17831773/new-york-jets-name-geno-smith-new-starting-quarterback

    • MB30SD

      hopefully he gets a (little) hurt and they come groveling to us for Cutty for a 1st and 2 seconds!

      YEEEEEE!!!!

  • willbest

    DiCaprio is making a Captain Planet movie… I have my doubts.

    • BearDown100393

      Must be the syphilis.

  • Bernie Cohen

    C’mon!

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      You tell em Bernie!

  • Irish Sweetness

    This is going to be ugly, and I don’t mean the third debate. The Pack will probably stack the box all night to shut down Howard, and Brian can’t throw it out of his way. Eesh.

    • BearDown100393

      Bears are winning this game. The Cheese are garbage.

    • Bears will move the ball, and make some stops (more accurately, the Fudge will stop themselves on a few drives)

      This game will be determined by:

      1. Penalties.
      2. Making plays on critical downs
      3. TDs instead of FGs

      • MB30SD

        ruh roh

      • Sactowns#1

        PENALTIES!!

      • Cormonster

        You left out questionable PI calls by the refs to extend Packer drives.

        • BearDown100393

          And not calling Holding on the Cheese.

        • We all know about those.
          And at least we won’t have to listen to Aikmen blowing Vadgers.

  • BearDown100393

    Bears – Packers will always bring in ratings. JFC Twitter makes people negative.

  • MB30SD

    wanna buy a shirt will?

    • BearDown100393

      Cops on camera. Don’t mix.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, last week I won in FF by the 1 measly point that Derek Anderson contributed.

    Ahhh, but as we all know, the FF gods are fickle.

    This week, we rolled up the 2nd highest score in the league.

    And lost by 14.

    The David Williams Effect.

    We’d have beaten any other opponent by at least 12.

    • MB30SD

      We’d?

      You gots a mouse in your pocket Al?

      • AlbertInTucson

        I actually have a silent partner who splits the entry fee with me.

        I do all the drafting and lineups.

        • AlbertInTucson

          He follows the blog but doesn’t post.

          If he did, he’d post as “Jeremiah Was A Bull Frog” and his avatar would, of course, be Abe Gibron, wiggling his finger to call bobby Douglass over.

        • Sactowns#1

          You leave Trac’s voices out of this!

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Oh hey, that’s nice.

    We are arming and backing Khazali militants whose leader Quis Al-Khazalli had US soldiers captured and killed. So we are going to look the other way on that fucker since now he’s helping kill ISIS in Mozul.

    It’s like we never learn any lessons about dealing with things there.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-dangers-of-the-iraqi-coalition-headed-toward-mosul

    • willbest

      This time it will be different.

      • SC Dave

        Of course it will.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Be careful GP, you’re starting to sound like me.

  • Huge Bears Penis
    • Sactowns#1

      Who the hell does that leave at slot? Bellamy?

      • Braverman!

        Actually, yeah, Bellamy.

        But the Bears have been running a lot of double TE sets with Paulsen, so expect more of that.

        • willbest

          There was a Harvard sighting last week. He is going to bust out this week 7 for 80 and 2 TDs

      • Huge Bears Penis

        FUTURE HOFer BRAVERMAN!

    • BearDown100393

      A toe?

      • Huge Bears Penis

        i thought the same thing. but then I though maybe he was practicing kicking after the game and sprained it.

  • AlbertInTucson

    New Prop. 205 TV Ad Featuring Super Bowl Champion Quarterback Jim McMahon Set to Air During Bears-Packers Matchup on Thursday Night Football; Watch Now at

    https://youtu.be/7MlkvJ5PjoQ

    • Sactowns#1

      How is this even still a discussion? What’s that? The average age of a congress member is 60? Makes total sense.

      • Reefer Madness must’ve made a helluva an impact on the previous generations!

      • willbest

        Because the Federal Government gets to decide that the 10th amendment doesn’t mean what it says

      • AlbertInTucson

        The opponents are running ads featuring the Denver Mayor citing stats like increased teen use, increased traffic accidents invloving weed, 50% of newborns testing positive for marijuana and that all the money promised for education is instead going to regulating the weed pharmacies.

        The tag line: “Don’t make the same mistake Colorado did.”

        • Don’t know about ‘increased teen use’.

          If they’re getting it at a local dispensary, then it’s more easily tracked.

          I’m sure during prohibition some stat came out that ppl were drinking less just because it was being done underground.

          The other stats are interesting, but I wonder how many accidents happen due to oxycotin or other pharma drugs.

          I bet Big Pharma doesn’t want studies on that.

      • AlbertInTucson

        And the average age of members of Congress is (drum roll)……

        61 !

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Here’s my hope. That when I step off the plane at O’Hare on December 16, I’m stepping into a city that boasts the World Series champion.”

    Well they better find their bats in pretty short order.

    • willbest

      Runs are overrated

      • AlbertInTucson

        Like Touchdowns.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Isn’t the world supposed to end when they win the World Series?

      • willbest

        I think you have that backwards. The world ends in order to prevent them from winning the WS. So it will be the top of the 9th 2 outs, and the Indians batter reaches the plate looks out to left center field and sees SMOD heading towards Earth.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Aah…got it…

    • BearDown100393

      #BirdCage

    • willbest

      hey somebody found a bat.

  • willbest
    • MB30SD

      Why’s that bud, you seem to be the old skool misogynist of the board.

      I never lay a hand on girls… that isn’t wanted/asked for. I’m all about the weemangses pleasures my maings. I don’t get off on abuse.

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      what a cheap shot. Jesus.

      • willbest

        That was the point. He deliberately baited me down thread right after telling me I should man up and not be baited. Same standards. Its all I ask.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Seriously, I had more than one teacher long ago who told us to keep a journal.
      I started doing it several years ago and I have tried work back with things I can remember but I DO regret not heeding the advice of those teachers. Back-filling the journal is not near as good as recording thoughts and events when they actually occurred.

  • willbest

    HERE COME THE BATS!

  • AlbertInTucson

    Cubs apparently HAVE found there bats.

    What a shitty wrong call that is about to be overturned.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Way to thow it around, Dodgers.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “The Big Hurt” , Frank Thomas, does a pretty good job as a studio analyst on Fox Sports 1.

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