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Across The Middle: Quick Q&A with Greg Gabriel

| March 31st, 2016

You’d be hard-pressed to fine anyone who deserves the title of NFL Draft Expert more than former Chicago Bears Director of College Scouting Greg Gabriel, who agreed to do a quick Question and Answer about the upcoming NFL Draft with DBB.

While Gabriel was in charge of the Bears college scouting, they drafted players such as Lance Briggs, Tommie Harris, Devin Hester, Johnny Knox and Nathan Vasher. Gabriel worked in the NFL for 30 years and currently lends his expertise to National Football Post and 670 The Score. In other words, he knows his shit.

Q: I know every organization is different, but with free agency, the combine and most of the pro days already in the books, can you explain what the final month before the draft was like for the front offices you worked for?

A: The final month is mostly draft prep. Many of the allowable 30 visits come in then. (They can come in until a week before the draft). Depending on the club, the scouts come in for final meetings and setting the board. That could be anywhere from two to three weeks before the draft. The scouts are also making calls to perspective UDFA’s just trying to recruit. If the GM feels they might need a little more info on a kid, then he may send out a coach or scout for a private workout. We also make a lot of calls to gather as much info as possible as to where certain guys may get drafted.

Q: One of the things I’ve noticed about the Bears is how much they value length. In Vic Fangio’s time with the 49ers and John Fox’s time with the Broncos, they drafted 13 defensive linemen and edge players, all with arms longer than 33 inches. Can you explain why length is so important for pass-rushers, specifically?

A: Having an arm length advantage is having a leverage advantage. Real simple. About 10 years ago we did a study on all the top pass rushers in the league including some who had retired. The common denominator was not speed or size, it was arm length.

Q: Did the teams you work for ever have specific minimums when it came to drafting players at certain positions, whether it be the 40 time, arm length, etc.?

A: Most teams have a “profile” written for each position. In other words who the ideal player would be for the position as far as size, speed, qickness, arm length etc. When the scouts go on the road they use these profiles when writing their reports. Basically are they a “fit” or not. Almost every team has a cutoff area for timed speed at each of the skill positions.

Q. How much do teams consider the depth of a certain position in the draft? For example, this year is considered to be deep at defensive line, do you think we’ll see teams passing on defensive linemen early with the thinking they can get good players late?

A: There are two area’s for teams to acquire players. The draft and FA. You have to look at the strength of each to determine which area’s of both they will “attack”. For example. The inside linebacker class this year in the draft is very average, I’m sure that]s why they went to FA to get two players. Plus the players fit the type of player they were looking for. Once you get in the draft, you have to again look at the strength and depth of the draft when figuring out the strategy of who/what positions to draft in each round.

Q. It seems a lot of “Draft Twitter” is scouting players as if they’re finished products, like A’Shawn Robinson, for example, but when it comes to the draft, how much is a player’s upside considered?

A: Sorry, but most guys on draft twitter are clueless morons. They aren’t trained professionals. When scouting, a scout looks for a players floor and ceiling. That can be determined by his age, athleticism and football character. You can have a great talent but if he lacks in football character, he won’t succeed.

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  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Interesting – Chargers indicating they want Jack to play nickel and safety if he’s their guy.
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000648923/article/myles-jack-chargers-envision-me-as-db-replacement-for-weddle

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Have zero interest in dealing with this schmuck…hope Pace is not even entertaining the idea.
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000649064/article/percy-harvin-definitely-playing-football-in-2016

    • willbest

      The #1 trait people look for in signing players is availability. I don’t understand why teams keep paying the guy.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Agreed. He’s by all accounts a massive headache (ironic) in the locker room and has a bad hip. But odds are, he’ll be on somebody’s roster, eating up space, by August.
        Pass.

        • CanadaBear

          People get blinded by that speed and forget everything else. If POX were willing to trade BMarsh and Black Uni, two highly productive guys that are a pain in the ass, I can’t imagine them signing a not so productive pain in the ass.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I also pass

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Do the Bears value length at the DE position? I think I heard that somewhere.

    • They value length everywhere.
      EVERYWHERE.

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        I heard Aaron Rodgers values length while in certain positions.

        NTTAWWT.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Hence Pringles.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
    • MB30SD

      From 2 year ghost to most prolific poster. Welcome back rabbit!!!

      Did you read his response? No more d lee talk then? Hmmmmmm? ; )

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Nevah!

    • Would u want Lee as an OLB, MBP?
      Or hybrid S? Did he even play S or CB at all?

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Hybrid safety. It’s what he was recruited to OSU as, and he played it before he got injured and redshirted. Came back and added mass to play LB. Watching film of him, he was moved around a lot to be a playmaker.

  • foxyear2

    Those were some very thought out well put questions. Really made the most out of your time with GB. Gave a great insight to the process that you don’t hear too much about.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Nice to see AD’s family taking an interest in the Blog.

  • CanadaBear

    Loved his answer to the last question. I’ve seen him on TV lots of times and he always comes off as informed and matter of fact. I’m sure he has a fair sized ego but he doesn’t come across like an egomaniac like a lot of the guys that do this on TV.

    • That Guy

      I actually thought the answer to the last question turned me off of the entire article. There are a ton of talented people in social media that give very detailed reasoning for liking or disliking players. There are also a number of “professionals” that get fired every year because they, moreso than the twitter folks calling them out, are the clueless morons.

      NFLphilosophy, a great twitter follow, posted about this a couple of days ago. Gabriel is a knowledgeable guy, but I’ve read a lot of his stuff on NFP and he’s been wrong just as much as anyone else.

      • SC Dave

        Twitter, in general, sucks.

        • willbest

          But without Twitter how would we know who to hate this hour?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I’m sure Trump has a Pinterest account.

          • Big Mike

            Exactly..

      • CanadaBear

        Not a fan of twitter.

        • Yeah, but helmet head practically created the draft expert when they were running the draft in the smoky backroom of bingo parlors, so he’s earned his stripes whether one thinks he’s a good scout or not.

          • CanadaBear

            Well there is that.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I tend to agree – it came off pretty arrogant. I mean, 1) scouting pro players is not brain surgery in a literal sense, and 2) if the professionals are so fantastic, then the draft should be a foregone conclusion every year and it is anything but that.

      • Big Mike

        Don’t agree with you. Until you’ve been face to face with a player, talked to his teammates, coaches, opponents, been on the field watching practice and looked at the amount of film that Scouts do, you do not have a professional’s insight.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          i got to agree with you. Most guys on twitter are reviewing the limited game tape available for a player. Also Scouts are often only dealing with a small subset of players, not every player available in the draft, only the players that are in their scouting region. That’s why we see a player from ‘Southeast Buckwheat State’ as a UDFA or getting drafted in late rounds and becoming a good player. The “Professionals” that are usually getting fired every year are the ones taking scout info and making the mistakes.

      • PROFESSIONALLY wrong.

        Also, if he was so good, wouldn’t a team hire him to lead their scouting dept ?

        He scouted for the Bears. How good could he be?

        There’s only really a few draft ‘experts’ I kinda use for guideposts, just to get a feel for how the GMs see the prospects, not if they’re necessarily good or not.

        • Ribeyes for Operators

          He scouted for the Bears. How good could he be?

          Feel the Bern.

          this is the organization that thought Emery was a top scout because he scouted for the Chiefs.

          The CHIEFS.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “You can have a great talent but if he lacks in football character, he won’t succeed.”

      Can you say “Jamarcus Russell, boys and girls?”

      • CanadaBear

        I get how people get blinded by the physical talent but being an unmotivated, lazy jackass or a druggie/drunk shouldn’t be that hard to figure out if you do some digging.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Can you say “Rashaan Salaam”, boys and girls?

          How about, “Curtis Enis”?

          • CanadaBear

            I always thought Enis did exactly what the team asked him to do, put on a bunch of weight and be a load. The extra weight didn’t help at all so they asked him to lose weight and he did. Then he got injured. I never disliked the guy, just thought he was short on talent and drive.

          • AlbertInTucson

            If I recollect correctly, Enis was a holdout and it was all downhill from there.

            Played only 9 games as a rookie, started 1.

            3 Seasons.

            4TDs

            3.3 per carry.

            5th pick overall.

            Another Bears’ first round bust.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Paul Pabst ✔ ‎@PaulPabst

    Francesa said that in the 80’s he was in with the Musburger Mafia. I don’t know if there was a group I would more want to be part of.”

    I go back to the days of Brent in Chicago as a Sports Columnist for the Daily news and a sports anchor on WBBM TV and radio.

    • CanadaBear

      Back in the early ’70’s he was held in such low regard among my friends that one of the guys would routinely insult you by adding burger to your last name.

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        So he went national and CBS got Johnny and Jeannie Morris.

        I’ve also contemplated voicebox surgery so I could sound more like Bill Kurtis.

        “I’m Bill Kurtis…..”

        http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/bill-kurtis-looping-session/n11925

        • AlbertInTucson

          Kurtis lived in Oak Park.

          The guy I loved on WBBM doing sports was Bruce Roberts.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I didn’t care for his column much but I did like him on WBBM and when he moved to the NFL TODAY with Irv Cross, Phyllis George and Jimmy “The Greek” Snyder.

        • CanadaBear

          In retrospect he seems OK compared to the screaming heads we get these days. I always thought he was a douchebag but some of that was probably from hanging around a bunch of guys that really disliked him. He certainly paled in comparison to a major douchebag Howard Cosell.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Cosell was sooo full of himself. I give him credit for being one of the first to stand up for Muhammed Ali but eventually he became a very bitter old man and turned on people he had previously praised, like Don Meredith and Frank Gifford, and threw boxing under the bus as he’d just discovered how sleezy it was.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Is that the Jimmy The Greek that lost his job because he said black DEs were better because they had big asses from working in the cotton fields?

  • FQD1911

    Good stuff Drew.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2016/03/31/how-the-ramirez-and-larsen-signings-will-impact-the-bears-offensive-line/
    Signing guys like Larsen, Ramirez and Massie make me feel much better about the depth on the OL. Pace seems to be doing a solid job this offseason. It makes the draft even more interesting. Are they setting themselves up for a DL, DB, TE draft here???

    • CanadaBear

      If one of the top two LT’s drop to them, they might jump on that. Other than that, I’d add CB to that list along with a QB or RB wildcard if their guy drops to them. Who knows?

      • I’m very curious if Stanley does fall to the Bears, if they would bite.

        They seem to be sold on Leno at LT, and in some sense, Long is our swing OT in case Massie sucks, then just move in Larsen or Ramirez to OG.

        Long kinda gives us a nice security cushion, esp with these vets signed.

        • CanadaBear

          Pace and Emery share a trait but for entirely different reasons. We have no idea who they will draft in the first round. Pace because he sets it up nicely in FA so there aren’t any canyon-sized holes on the roster and Emery because he was completely insane.

    • Big Mike

      Bears certainly have stockpiled OGs. This is very curious to me, because with Slauson and Long, Larsen and Ramirez are depth signing at Guard, but both could be real competition to Grasu.. All fine and good. Depth at Guard, Competition at Center, but the one spot not addressed directly at all is LT, where Leno has a tenuous hold on the position. Where is the depth at T.

      OR is this all a move to put Long out at LT?

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        OT with first pick? That still leaves no additional DL piece and the same shitty Safeties as last year…..where we made every tight end look like Kellen Winslow SR.

        • Big Mike

          It depends. If Stanley is there and the Bears have him pegged as one of the top 3 Tackles (most say he’s the #2) I thank my lucky stars and take Stanley. Amos is not shitty. He was a rookie who did real well until the veteran presence (rolle) next to him went down. Going into year 2, the proverbial “big jump” can be expected (hoped for). Shitty safeties get much better with competent linebackers. LBs should help on TEs. It’s still a weaker part of the team. But in the top round of the draft if the #2 rated OT falls to you at 11, you must take him. 11 is to high to take a safety. Even the best one in the draft in my opinion. But.. with all of that said, if that’s what POX does, ok then.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            haha, I love giving Amos shit. The ILB’s are going to be a huge upgrade just by themselves. Houston and Young should be fully healthy again. Didn’t you just feel like Willie’s Achilles was just going to snap in half on every play?
            Anyways, I’m now becoming less concerned with edge rusher and won’t impale myself on my Steven Seagal signed Katana on draft night if we go a different direction. It will virtually be impossible to pick a bad player with the 11th pick…except QB of course.
            I have a feeling that 2 Qb’s at least 1 running back and a WR will go in the first 10 picks. That leave a top 4 to top 6 defender to fall to us.

          • Big Mike

            If it breaks that way, I’d hope the Bears go defense. But grabbing an OT would be ok. I was very pro Stanley. But I see a lot of negativity surrounding that choice. I need to re-look at his film. My theory is people are playing up his weaknesses because it is not a sexy pick.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I posted a brief one later today if you sort by time

          • Big Mike

            Angelo/Emery could pick a bad player. My look at this says 2 or 3 of the guys we covet could be sitting there. From Ezekiel Elliot to Jalen Ramsey.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You might be the only guy other than me who would be happy to have Elliott, Mike? He’s a keeper.

          • Big Mike

            You sort of convinced me. I don’t think he’ll be there. If he is, it’s definitely BPA and Kadeem Carey just became expendable/special team guy and the Bears didn’t fill a need. I could also see the Bears passing on him. But if Elliott is there, something went different in the first ten picks and somebody we were counting on being available isn’t there.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Ramsey is projected to safety – and he’s drop dead sexy on tape. You wouldn’t take him at 11 over Stanley?

          • Big Mike

            Maybe just so the crying about how bad the Bears have been at safety. (Kidding). I haven’t looked at Ramsey. But isn’t there more or less a consensus about having players switch positions coming into the draft, is t the type if move you make at 11. I’m going to read up on Ramsey.

            Right now, I would take Stanley. I need to look at him again for Carimi like tendencies

          • Ramsey is like a po man’s woodson, a VERY po man’s woodson.

            He is both the best CB AND S in this draft, but unlike Woodson, he doesn’t possess that ballhawking or return skills.

            I think it’s just a weak CB/S class overall, and Ramsey just happens to be the best.

            In some ways, he reminds me of Fuller, though I doubt he’ll bust.

          • Big Mike

            Sounds like a pass

          • Big Mike

            More reason to not take him. 2nd -3rd Round talent.

          • Big Mike

            So is Myles Jack… oooh that’s sexy. I looked at some of Stanley’s tape. He looked better as a safety in 2014. At CB in 2015 he looked good but not great (from the 2 five minute videos I looked at). I would be happy with this Ramsey at 11. He can play slot, safety or CB. He complements Amos well, who was more of a prototypical SS. While Ramsey is more of an FS. Although I wouldn’t see a problem mixing it up. I think Ramsey could grow into a nice CB, His versatility is a huge asset. Getting on the field as a slot corner, or maybe winning the FS job.

            Upon further review, I would take Ramsey over Stanley. But it is very close and I wouldn’t be unhappy either way.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Did you see his pro day stuff?

          • Big Mike

            I watched this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIGc2LooeFs and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEzh51EHvdU both with sound off.

            The pro day stuff I just looked at. Mostly an interview. Composed kid, underwear olympic stuff. Hard to tell anything from a pro-day.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            You have to skip well ahead to get past the interview. I just thought he looked extremely fluid in the drills that they did show. And yeah, I don’t watch any of that crap with the sound on.

          • Big Mike

            I watched it all. You could watch a mid tier guy doing the same drills and see the same thing, because these guys are all elite athletes. Without seeing like a superimposed image of Ramsey and the average, hard to tell. What isn’t hard to tell is when you watch game tape. The guy competes for every ball, he just makes plays.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            If somebody isn’t offering that as a software tool (not just the 40 yd dash one, but for all the combine drills), they should be. Hudl might have something like that but I’m too lazy to dig around on their website at the moment.

          • Big Mike

            Hudl’s HS/College version does. The real trick is getting the film shot exactly the same. I’ve seen it. It’s exceptional. ESPN when they broadcast the combine did it a couple times but only for the 40 yard dash. They showed some big guy running almost as quick as a WR. Some combine freak. I forget who.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s gone early on every mock, like top 4?

          • AlbertInTucson

            The video above of Stanley was less than awe-inspiring.

          • Big Mike

            Lots of tape on prospects. I don’t know which video you saw, or your background evaluating o-line. You could be dead on. I’ve evaluated o-line men in HS/College and at performance combines. One of the perks of coaching youth football, is the HS coach brings me along sometimes and I soak up what I can. But I saw video of him and I was impressed with his punch, hand placement, footwork, hip swivel, and his motor. I’ll try to find the video I saw.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He doesn’t look so bad in this one.

            But a couple of others I saw, his pass pro wasn’t all that, might have been just that game. Obviously if Pace goes with him, I’d trust that, and you. But we need a pass-rusher more than an OT at 11 methinks.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Stanley is a little small for me at 6’5 305, considering the size of the guys in the NFL. I don’t watch college ball week in week out admittedly, but he seemed to go backwards when pass-blocking actual Linemen and not LBs in the tapes I saw.
            And hearing this isn’t good :

            http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/03/nfl_draft_rumors_notre_dames_ronnie_stanleys_stock.html

            OTs we have – I’d like to see Tayo get his shot, Weaver even, but a pass-rusher is what we need. The man above said it all – arm length. Floyd has that at 6’6 with his 4.6 speed. Give us some of that.

          • Big Mike

            6’5 305 can become 6’5 320 pretty easily in the NFL and his 320 will be made stronger.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Tayo is the depth at LT, along with Weaver. Tayo may be better than Leno (who is only 302lbs according to Wiki). Weaver is 305 (here’s some breakdown tape of Weaver vs the Dolphins about 22:00 in : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmu931zOP7A

        Tayo v Baylor : He show he can deal with the speed stuff, and he’s smart enough to take the legs out from under anyone who comes straight at him that might have a spin move.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I think it nods towards the OTs in this draft being dogshit after Tunsil. We have so many picks we can double draft certain positions like DE and CB to see what shakes out.

  • Scary. I’m begging to be able to decipher the difference between Jeff and Andy.

    The second it brought up “arm length” I knew “Andy piece”

    That and Jeff’s utter contempt for all things slaveauction.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      So this.
      I’m betting he has mentioned it in 80% of his pieces in the last 6 months.

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Have Jeff read the piece from the ex-NFL cheerleader.

      That was slavery.

      • Scharfinator

        I mean, slavery by choice…. but yeah, it sounded like that job sucked.

  • Big Mike

    THIS!!!! *1000
    A: Sorry, but most guys on draft twitter are clueless
    morons. They aren’t trained professionals. When scouting, a scout looks
    for a players floor and ceiling. That can be determined by his age,
    athleticism and football character. You can have a great talent but if
    he lacks in football character, he won’t succeed.

    • Yes, not like us professionally trained blog commentators.

      Where’s my youtube film room!

      • Big Mike

        Exactly. We are doing this for fun. Mostly we do it in order to project the projected best fits into the projected results of the Bears, against some version of next year’s opponents based on how those opponents performed last year.

        Even among a rational group of blog commentators, the best we get are a few who look at more than 1 youtube clip of a prospective draftee. Most just compile and regurgitate what they’ve read about a guy.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Hey, I resemble that remark!

          • Big Mike

            What’s funny to me, is when people takes such hard stands on a prospect. I’m thinking “I know you have your heart set on this guy, but c’mon”. Which makes Shea McClellin even more improbable. How did that happen? I really demand the Bears to tell us. He was never close to being to 20 picks in the entire draft good. Not in his college film, never in his career.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Darron Lee?

          • MB30SD

            4-3 olb

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Nein!!!

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        Mr. Gabriel,

        I would like to say that we here at DBB are NOTHING like the Twitter morons who know nothing about Chicago football and talk out their asses.

        But I’d be lying.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Darron Lee.

          • MB30SD

            4-3 olb maings

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Unless I missed it, I’m a little surprised Jeff hasn’t gone off on this:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/united-states-womens-soccer-equal-pay_us_56fd37e3e4b0daf53aeee5d7

    • willbest

      I didn’t realize the same organization that handles youth soccer also managed the national teams.

      It isn’t as simple as equal pay for equal work in this case. The USMNT players cost more because they make more in their non-US Soccer lives than the USWNT. They have to pay Tim Howard more because there is greater opportunity cost to him playing for USMNT than there is for Hope Solo.

      I pulled up their financial reports for the last couple years, and I think where US Soccer is going to get hosed though is the fact they are using USWNT revenue to subsidize the USMNT expenses. That is impossible to tell at the moment because their TV/sponsorship stuff is all lumped together and that is a large chunk of their revenue. But the disparity between USMNT expenses and USWNT are substantial and would require the vast majority of that undetermined revenue to be from men’s sports.

    • Ososfan

      They do deserve more. The US national team is just not talented. We were lucky we made it far in the last cup.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    From Johnny Football to RG3.

    Cleveland. It’s CLEVELAND.

    So you know they are taking Goff.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      they still got McCown.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Do they?

        • Ribeyes for Operators

          Yes, they do.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            You have to imagine he’s tradebait, what with RG3’s sensitive disposition and all.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            why tradebait? McCown has shown at his many stops that he is a very supportive ‘Backup’, Jay loved him as a backup and praised him for his help, if Bob Griffin has really changed he will pick McCown’s brain as much as possible.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Oh, I would love to bring Josh back here, even if he was a little pricey, but he’s earned at least the opportunity to compete for the starting spot in Cleveland. And I don’t think Griffin’s psyche will survive a camp battle.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Then he should not be a starter anywhere.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Well, that goes almost without saying. But you can’t go any further down than Cleveland.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s 36 though.

    • MB30SD

      They are a dumpster fire, wrapped in a train wreck, smothered in sauce de la tristesa

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    You are Pace, a guy who looks like a Omega Theta Pi pledge.

    It’s Pick 11. On the board are:

    Staley
    A’Shawn R
    Darron Lee
    Will Jackson 3

    Hargreaves is gone, Treadwell is gone. Wentz and Goff have been taken.

    What do you do?

    • It’s between the first two I think. But that’s what I’m wondering. How much do the Bears believe in Leno and Massie (or even Long) at OT?

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      WJ3

      Jessss kidding.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      gotta go Stanley I guess. Not the worst thing in the world to have a consensus top 2 OL in the draft fall to you. Can I substitute Jack Conklin? Just by looking at him you can tell he’s got a little Incognito in him…at least on the field. Normally I’m a devout football racist and want nothing to do with the whites. I do make an exception for linemen, quarterbacks and Eric Weddle.

      • Irish Sweetness

        They both suck at pass pro, and Tayo outweighs both by 40lbs. Busts at 11.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      If i was Pace I would setup a beer pong table with the names of potential picks on the cups and start flinging ping pong balls.

    • Big Mike

      If Staley=Stanley the OT, I thank my lucky stars that guy is there and I take him.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse
      • Ribeyes for Operators

        Late 2nd round grade on Staley

    • That Guy

      I favor A’Shawn.

      Before we started thinking about all the holes the offense has and the guys we’ve let walk, everyone agreed that defense needed to be the priority of this draft. A’Shawn is a consensus top 10 value, he’s a day 1 starter at a position of need and he doesn’t have the same concerns that are attached to Stanley.

      I think Robinson is more skilled at his position than Stanley is, but here’s another way to think about it. If you have the magical crystal ball and you know that you can spend #11 on the next all decade pass rusher or the next all decade left tackle, which do you take? What about the same, but both aren’t all decade, they’re just making the probowl 8/10 years. Or maybe they’re just both solid rotational players. If the skill level is the same, who do you draft?

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        I look for the guy with the intangible. The spark in his eye that says he’s ready to be a pro.

        I like this guy:

        Fuller flirts with bust. Even with no Megatron, you can’t put Fuller on the opposite 1, and Porter? Come on.

        In the list I presented, I go with him.

        In reality, I didn’t mention Sheldon Rankins. I want this kid next to Goldman.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          Jackson has ball skills and can recover out of a break like a motherfucker. Not too shabby.

        • That Guy

          That’s a fair point. Shutdown corner vs. 3-4 run stopper… the corner is probably deemed more valuable though it seems like 3-4 ends are hard to come by.

          Given this draft, if you believe in the corner, you take him over the D-linemen because there are more D-line options in the later rounds.

        • Irish Sweetness

          What round for Rankins? Pace should be run out of Chicago if he drafts a ‘1 sub-300lb DT with Hicks, Goldman and Terry Williams on the roster. Not to mention Sutton and Ferguson and Gaston and Unrein and whoever else is on there.

          If we draft a corner we nee to get one of these bigger guys to give us more versatility. We need a guy to cover the megatron types.

      • Irish Sweetness

        REally? Nfl.com has him at 307lbs. So we’d be using our first pick on a guy that would be 3rd on NT rotation behind Hicks and Goldman.

        We’ve got to be taking either Elliott or a pass-rusher with the first. Tackles we have. 7 or 8 of them.

    • MB30SD

      Ashawn.

      No shaqwagon??? :_ (

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Medical recheck in a couple of weeks on his shoulder

    • DaMurph

      Stanley

      • Irish Sweetness

        Check his tape out Murph. Not good. Frank Omigale not good. He’s not even big.

        • DaMurph

          Ive watched almost every game hes played at ND. Right side, left side He’s 6’6 315…..not big? Sophmore all 13 games right tackle….junior and senior all games at left tackle, yielded 1 sack as a junior. Better pass blocker than run blocker but will get stronger. Labled best pure pass protector in the draft. We talkin the same guy??

    • Irish Sweetness

      Draft Leonard. Long arms !!! You didn’t say if Zeke was on the board though ….

  • willbest

    Bears 2016 prediction based on off-season moves so far: 10-6

    Wins: DET, GB, @MN, PHI, WAS, @NYG, @TB, TN, SF, @IND

    Loss: @GB, MN, @DET, @DAL, JAX, @HOU

    • MB30SD

      Dude… fuck gb will. Fuck them right in their fat, cheese-eating faces

      • willbest

        Yes yes, but unless Ditka is going to wear a Packers sweater again we aren’t going to sweep them

        • MB30SD

          Fuck yes we are… it’s all I want for christmachannukawanza

    • AlbertInTucson

      You know i HATE that game.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      now why in the hell would we lose to Jacksonville and a toothless detroit?

      • willbest

        Jax like us lost their round 1 rookie to a season ending injury. So they will have Fowler coming at the same time as Malik Jackson to seriously upgrade their D-line. Plus they will probably grab somebody like Jack or Ramsey making their D even better. Their offense is already legit with Robinson and Hurns on the outside and JT at TE. Bortles made good gains in his sophomore season and will probably continue to improve, and if we play them in the first half of the season Chris Ivory will be formidable. Pete Caroll is right, they are going to be on the move this year.

        We are in a bit of a Detroit slump. They weren’t good last year and they swept us. I find it difficult to believe that Staford won’t pull something out of his butt at least once.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          If we lose to JAX i will get a tattoo above my ass that says “reserved for Blake”. There is no way in hell we lose to Jax or Detroit. I am convinced we’ll sweep Minny as well. We barely lost and we had muppets playing on D.

          • CanadaBear

            Don’t go promising tattoos. Might come back to haunt you if you go to prison!

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            they’ll never take me alive.

          • “Bent O’er 4 Blake YOLO”

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Well, i’d circle the date but the damn calendar ain’t out yet

          • willbest

            So unless we get pasted by the NFCE you are thinking like 12 wins?

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Between 10 and 12….but I say that every year.

          • 16 and 0, biatch!
            Tre and McPhee are gonna tear it up, while Cutty hands it off, lights one up, and sees Langford rush for 2,000 yds!

          • Scharfinator

            I need to screenshot this.

          • Irish Sweetness

            JAX had a pretty good off-season so far.

        • I seriously doubt we lose to JAX at home.
          I agree, on paper they look ok (they also have Yeldon at HB), but they play in a weak div, and I’m not entirely sold on Blake while their Oline is questionable.

          We were competitive last year with a lot of teams that were way better than JAX this year (inlcuding the SB champs).

          We’ll be better, and we’ll beat JAX mostly cuz Cutty is better than Bortles right now.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
    • AlbertInTucson

      Pretty damning evidence.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        good news is that the Bears know exactly which OT they want and why….if they do.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Told you. These boys suck.

  • willbest
    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Mein eyes…they are blinded by the glare.
      Jebus, he is clear.

      • MB30SD

        Schnell! Schnell!!

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      It’s Sidd Finch’s illegitimate son, isn’t it.
      http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/10/15/curious-case-sidd-finch

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        Ed Zachary

    • MB30SD

      Holy schiza

    • AlbertInTucson

      The return of Ivan Drago?

    • “I came here today knowing what I needed to do,” the ultra-quiet
      Boehringer said in perfect English after his pro day. ”

  • Oh, and great job getting Greg Gabriel, Andy.
    He is one of the lead voices this time of year.

    Can you interview Nolan Nawrocki? He worked for Hub and I think is a local chi guy. Think he would make a good Q&A

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Omar Bolden officially signed

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      That should take care of return duties this year

      • Bears signed S Omar Bolden, formerly of the Broncos, to a one-year contract.Bolden is a deep reserve who played for coach John Fox in
        Denver from 2012-14. He’ll be a core special teamer/kick returner for
        the Bears. – Roto

        And we gave Lovie a hard time for poaching the rams and bucs.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          poaching super bowl winners = good.
          poaching jags, rams and bucs = bad

          • MB30SD

            Fuck lovie smith yonny. Right in his 2 seasons and canned blank stare

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I’m torn – if he’s terrible again, Illinois is looking at another shitty 4-8 years of football.
            He’s at least hiring good fits as assistants there.

          • MB30SD

            Yes.

    • AlbertInTucson

      BOLD move.

  • AlbertInTucson

    MEANWHILE, over on the ice…

    Duncan Keith will be getting an unpaid vacation from the “Circling the Drain” Blackhawks who have not beaten another playoff team since (I think) they swept the Red Wings a while back.

    Keith’s been nailed for this kind of crap twice before and could very well still be in street clothes when the playoffs start.

    • willbest

      Too many National Championships have made them soft.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        Dumbest hockey comment of 2016

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          are you sure? I heard the following the other day “Canadians must suck at hockey because none of the Playoff teams are from Canada”

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Correction…..second dumbest. That one wins.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Currently, none of the 7 Canadian franchises, none is currently in a playoff position and time’s a runnin’ out.

            More hockey irony; The likely #1 pick in the next NHL amateur draft is a native of, that hockey hotbed, Scottsdale, Arizona.

    • AlbertInTucson

      And correction, I believe Detroit is now on the outside of the playoffs and looking in.

  • MB30SD
    • CanadaBear
    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Wiki Fun Facts:

      Burt Reynolds escapes a fleet of police cars behind the wheel of an SM in the 1974 film The Longest Yard. In the film, having driven the car to a quayside, Reynolds gets out of the car and nudges it into gear, causing it to drive itself into the water. As he’s leaving the house, keys in hand, the female owner of the SM shouts “don’t take my Maserati!”.[56] In real life, he liked the car so much that he gave a 1973 SM Automatique[57] to his friend Dinah Shore.[58]

      Janet Jackson appears in an SM with a red leather interior in the music video for the 1998 song I Get Lonely from the Velvet Rope album.

      Patrick McGoohan drives an SM in a 1975 episode of the American television series Columbo (“Identity Crisis”, Season 5, Episode 3)

      Gerry Anderson’s 1971 television series The Protectors featured a platinum blue SM.

      Ben Stiller is kidnapped in a green SM in the 2001 film Zoolander.

      An SM is used in an attempted kidnapping in the 1975 Charles Bronson film Breakout.

      Sven Väth and Miss Kittin drive a modified Citroën SM in their video from the single “Je t’aime… moi non plus”.

      Norwegian composer Kaada and his music video ‘No You Don’t’ features an SM.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        GP, if you don’t do something professionally with high end automobiles, the world is lesser for it.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis
      • MB30SD

        Mmmmmmmmmm…. booooobbies

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      my iced coffee boner is raging right now.

      • Ososfan

        Lmao!

    • Ososfan

      Really enjoy that uncrate sight, thanks to you!

  • Speaking of OTs, I mentioned b4 how OTs seem to bust at a high rate in the past 5 drafts. Here’s another cautionary tale. Keep in mind this guy was as highly regarded as Tunsil.

    Chiefs coach Andy Reid believes LT Eric Fisher has “gotten better every year,” and made a “big jump” in 2015.

    “I would expect it to be another jump this year,” Reid added. The Chiefs must decide this spring whether Fisher is worthy of his fifth-year team option. Fisher has yet to be an asset in three yearsin the big leagues, but 2015 was his best season. The former No. 1 overall pick is still only 25. With the option guaranteed for injury only, it’s a good bet the Chiefs will pick it up. – Roto

    Scout report

    Tunsil

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/laremy-tunsil?id=2555201

    Fisher

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/eric-fisher?id=2539213

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Pats pick up Pot Roast on a 4.5M 1 year.

    sigh

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      Roast for a year allows us to make a hard play for 1or 2 quality DBs in the draft. That sucks.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    Ok, i must not understand the draft process. Besides the Broncos, who had the greatest 2012 draft of all time as they hit in almost every round, in general, why don’t teams focus on acquiring more early round picks?

    The way I see it the Bears are going to make a strong push for the playoffs this year. My reasoning is that the Lions lose a ton with Megatron gone and their defense left relatively harmless with the guys they have lost. The Vikings have Bridgewater at QB which means that as long as we don’t field the worst fucking D in the history of the Bears like 2013 and 2014 we should take care of them. The Packers never acquire enough new talent to take that final step to “real playoff threat”. They waste Rodgers year after year and needed the miracle 2010 season to win like they did.

    The Bears have won the offseason in the NFC North. The Bears added by subtracting shitty ILB’s. The Bears have improved by acquiring insane man meat upfront with Hicks on D and quality depth on O with Ramirez, Larsen, Massie, Long to Guard, etc. The Bears have a healthier Houston and Young. I don’t care what anyone says, Houston is not a joke even though that injury was tough to watch without laughing. Young with two full legs is a tough edge rusher. Shitty Amos is now in his second year so he’ll probably suck a little less. Rolle is healthy again for a while.

    But even with all of these improvements why wouldn’t a team like the Bears mortgage the shit out of the draft picks they have to make sure they have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds. The draft is stocked with all american LB/S hybrids, CB’s, huge fat DL’s and OL that may fall.

    Does anyone else think we should mortgage every single late round pick to get one more 2nd rounder? If we ended up with a 1st rounder and 2 second rounders couldn’t we knock out 3 needs on the D in one year?

    • Big Mike

      They have 5 picks in the first 127. That’s pretty good.

      I was thinking about this myself. So I went and looked up that old draft slot value chart. I don’t know if that thing is still viable, but it would explain why teams don’t do this. If the Bears were to trade all 6 of their 4th round and higher picks the chart says they should pick up a mid third round selection. The 6th and 7th round picks are assigned almost zero value. The Bears could swap both 4th rounders and move up to the bottom of the third round.

      Just doesn’t add up. Maybe the chart no longer applies. Maybe the values go out the window.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        What about 3rd pick and everything beyond for a middle 2nd rounder?

        • I do that in madden, but doesn’t work in NFL.

          We can trade all our 4rths for maybe a 3rd or something.

          And like Mike said, the rest are pretty useless.

          GMs rather get more than one shot at those midrounders

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            you can’t tell me that a street free agent with a year or two in the league or a practice squad dude wouldn’t be more beneficial than a 6th or 7th round draft pick.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            For every Brady, there is a Kurt Warner.

        • Big Mike

          That just sounds like a terrible deal. But the chart says that is worth the 50th Pick of the draft. Zero margin, no actually negative margin for error

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            having 3 picks in the rounds that could actually produce an impact player doesn’t sound too bad. When late round guys actually succeed they do music montages about it. When top picks don’t do well they refer to them as busts.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Holding on to late picks to get more bites at the apple is just proof to me of how much of a crapshoot the whole scouting industry is.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Didn’t Pace hit on every round last year? He’s batting perfectly IMO, and with 9 picks, I expect 6 good-great players from him. Some great players will be drafted in the 6th, some will even go undrafted. I trust pace to find them. We’re too used to nincompoops like Angelo and Emery defrauding us of 6M a year.

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      I don’t care what anyone says, Houston is not a joke even though that injury was tough to watch without laughing.

      I will make you a side bet: Houston is done. He won’t start and he will see limited playing time. If it wasn’t for his deal, he’d be cut.

      Last year they kept bringing him on 3rd passing downs, and he WAS applying pressure – but a situational 3rd down LOLB? Fangio does not want 2 downs of Acho and one of Houston or Young, because those guys get torched picking up the swing back and can’t cover a TE.

      So they will plug Young in on passing downs and Houston – he has nothing to do in this club’s schemes.

      As for bundling lower round trades for higher ones? I never cared much for draft position shuffling. You do it when you got somebody on your board that is a few picks ahead of you and you want them. You go into draft day with flexibility to make last minute deals. Once the top half of the first round is over, everybody’s board is in complete flux.

      Trying to establish a theme, such as “I intend to move up in this draft and try and bundle my lower round picks for higher ones.” is too general. You play it all as it plays out. You make deals on the fly.

      It was a sign that Emery never moved around in the draft. He just took his picks where they came. Why? Did you see the Kevin Costner golf bag movie, where he has Affleck’s wife go down on him in a broom closet in Cleveland? One thing that film shows is that GMs are an old boys club. People call each other. Nobody wanted to talk to Emery because talking to him was like talking to your weird uncle who your mom made you talk to and say Merry Christmas to on the phone, and then he would start rambling about the cost of ham or how his socks smelled funny with the new softener in the wash.

      So we picked where we picked. And we were just happy that Emery wasn’t pissing off the rest of the league like when Glitchy failed to call a swap in and made John Harbaugh so mad he wanted to punch his accountant face in. Which he would have and Angelo would have screamed like Pee Wee Herman.

      Pace can actually impress us now that he has a full deck of cards by performing the Kenny Rodgers know when to hold em and when to fold em shuffle. He has good tools to get guys that pan out. Instead of Brandon Hardin and E-Rod and all the rest of Emery’s shit show 3rd rounders he picked because he was so eager to show he was a “guru” and instead he may as well have used the dusty Ouija board that sat in his basement and levitated on Halloween, when he stood breathless on the clean edge of supernatural fright each year.

      • MB30SD

        This made me laugh. I approve this message and will reup my newsletter subscription.

        Oh and +648 blog points

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        I’ve been so accustomed to seeing our late round picks totally pissed on. Pace has been great this offseason so maybe you’re right that with a full complement of selections he’ll handle this correctly.

        Houston was a bad motherfucker and we brought him in and now after a few seasons he becomes an afterthought? I just don’t see it. With Houston on the roster I’d don’t want to see Acho on the field at all. I’d rather see Acho reading poetry in the loft of a Potbelly.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Mmmm, Potbelly’s.

          • MB30SD

            Que es?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Sandwich shop – there aren’t any in Cali.

  • MB30SD
    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      Every day would be a miracle

    • mmmm she is so hot.
      I think most women don’t get her hotness, they prefer men like classy bitches like Gwenoth Paltrow or something, but men really just want to pork Jessica Simpsons.

      • oink oink

        • Bender McLugh

          lol

      • MB30SD

        So much.

        Just a hot, huge tittied, dumb blond who is sexual napalm. Um, yes please!

        Oh, and fuuuuuck that pathetically self-evident megalomaniac stick figure. She is so gross, in erra way.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    Alshon Jeffery’s agent Eugene Parker died, RIP, but might put a damper on negotiations.

    • Ososfan

      Wtf!? Wow, RIP…..

      • MB30SD

        Liver cancer, he was 60. Sounded like an amazing guy

        • CanadaBear

          There must have been a plan in place. He had to know he was a dead man walking for months.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, fuck. Not a nice way to go. Getting old sucks

    • Big Mike

      That’s tough news for Alshon.

  • Big Mike

    This kind of quote from a scout/analyst drives me nuts
    *Jeremiah addressed Eastern Kentucky defensive end/edge rusher Noah
    Spence. Considered one of the draft’s top edge rushers, Spence’s stock
    among some analysts dropped after a disappointing NFL Scouting Combine.
    “If I had to bet right now, I’d say he goes early in the second round,”
    Jeremiah said. Spence, who began his college career at Ohio State
    University, had been in the Top 10 in some mock drafts following a
    standout performance at Senior Bowl in January. …

    • MB30SD

      …..

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Noah’s problem sounds like it may have as much or more to do with his taste for ecstasy than his combine numbers. There’s a reason he was at Eastern Kentucky, not playing in the B1G.
      Buyer beware.

      • Big Mike

        Not saying take him. I’m saying evaluate him on his game film, not how he does in shorts and a tshirt. If he has a character flaw, well you have to factor that in. Will he mature, can he get past is, or is he a derelict like Manziel.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          I read a couple of places that his team interviews went poorly too. If you are such a f-ckup that the B1G outright BANS you, and then you transfer and get popped for a public intoxication, and your interviews go poorly, and your combine numbers are mediocre, your game film against second-to-third tier competition like Tennessee Tech is probably not going to outweigh the rest. That is my grabowski evaluation of the situation. I’m not saying he’s not a talented player, but he hasn’t helped himself in multiple ways – not blowing teams away at the combine is just icing on the crap cake.

          • Big Mike

            The end. This guy wasn’t my point. I hope you see this. My point was performance in games OVER performance in shorts. Character matters a lot.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Totally agree with you. And my bad, I misread what you were driving at.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    New thread.

  • bearfacts

    QUOTE; “Sorry, but most guys on draft twitter are clueless morons.”

    That would also be true for about 90% of the “mockubators” out there including many who are labeled as being “highly respected” although by whom I can’t imagine.

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