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Welcome to 2004: Rapid Fire Reaction to a Week 2 Disaster for the Chicago Bears

| September 21st, 2015

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We wanted to see improvement. We wanted to have hope. No improvement. Hope gone. Season over? Reactions…

  • Up until the interception, Jay Cutler may have been playing his best game as a Chicago Bear. He had remarkable awareness in the pocket, made smart decisions and didn’t throw a single inaccurate pass. He also seemed to thrive with the read option concepts Adam Gase installed. Then a poor throw is compounded with the ridiculous decision to try and make a tackle. Now he’s got a “hamstring” injury. Those who hate Jay Cutler can hate him all day long but they should recognize this team this will be non-competitive without him.
  • But wasn’t this Jay Cutler’s Bears career in a nutshell: flashes of brilliance, terribly pick-six, injury.
  • Jimmy Clausen’s performance reminded me an awful lot of Shane Matthews in the 2001 playoffs. Jim Miller throws a pick. Gets injured trying to make a tackle. Matthews forgets how to play football.
  • Clausen’s appearance also brought out the worst in Adam Gase. His play-calling once the backup entered the game fell off a cliff. Abandoning the run, stretch runs when only inches are needed…etc. John Fox has to step in during these sequences.
  • Bears may have nothing in David Fales. They KNOW they have nothing in Clausen. Start Fales if Cutler can’t go.
  • Kyle Fuller. Not good.

  • But for all those people complaining about the secondary over the last 24 hours, what did you expect? This site and many others have been warning you for nine months the Bears don’t have a competent secondary. That game is what happens when a non-professional secondary gets tested.
  • Don’t overreact to the opening kick return. Teams simple don’t get enough reps defending the play anymore.

Positives?

  • Jared Allen’s interception was a freakishly athletic play.
  • Pernell McPhee was all over the field. But most of the game he seemed completely alone in the pass rush. He’s just got to finish these sack opportunities.
  • Matt Forte really looks in top form this season. If the Bears don’t intend to bring him back in 2016, they must make him available to other teams. He can put someone over the top. (Imagine him in New England?)
  • Robbie Gould has been magnificent through two games. There was a time when the Bears were afraid to have him kick from 50+. Now he makes those in his sleep.
  • I like the way Adrian Amos hits people. He has a violence to his game the defense is sorely lacking.
  • John Fox’s reaction to the mess, from Moon Mullin: “[But] we’ll find guys that want to do it and can do it, and we’ll move forward.”

Bears are 0-2. And now they are going to Seattle, where they’ll be beaten by a desperate contender that needs a win in the worst way. 8-8 is drifting out the window.

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  • Joecashflow

    I have gone over to the dark side with Jay Cutler. How many big games has he won or lost? We all know the answer. The Bears?…..always hope. Rebuilding year. I hope the locker room pulls together and they surprise us a game or two.

    • Hello there. Get to the podium. Say your name. “Hello. my name is Cashflow. And I too once believed in Cutler.”
      Crowd sipping coffee, including me, MB, GP, etc, in unison, “Hello, Cashflow.”

      Let the healing begin.

  • Viva

    I hope Cutler’s injury is very short lived. He was lights-out before he went down.

    • Irish Sweetness

      1. Against GB, we did as well, if not better than the Seattle Seahawks. We can run the shit out of the ball.

      2. Arizona are a very very good team, and we managed to move the ball against that defense, in fact Cutty was 8/8 before Bennett fucked it all up. Uni is not as fly as he thinks he is.

      3. We’re missing our top two receivers, and still moved the ball. We have an embarrassment of riches at the RB position.

      4. As soon as they figure out that Tayo should be at RT with Long at RG, we’ll be a great line. Ducasse is a joke.

      5. Possibly 4 or 5 starters on D are currently 2nd or 3rd stringers, or they’re on the PS.

      (Mitchell, McMannis, Anderson, Timu, Acho, Ify on O)

      6. This is the first season of Fox’ tenure, and we have a tough early schedule against some of the best teams in the league. We weren’t supposed to beat GB or Arizona. We’re not supposed to beat the Seahawks either. This is who we are right now, and it’s not terrible. Like it or not, the best way to rebuild is to get high picks. Losing is good now. We lose to get better.

      Cutty is a different man this season, and it may be the Elway effect kicking in. He IS learning to change his ways and I love what I see in him now. 2 INTs in 2 weeks? I saw Peyton Manning throw six in one game. Last week’s was a pretty bad one, this week … meh. Bennett fucked up. He fucks up because he’s a spaz. Nothing to lose by trying out 2 new corners next week. Nothing at all. At least we’ll learn something about ourselves.

      Imagine this team with Kevin White, Aj, Meredith, Bellamy and Royal. Imagine a resurgent rushing attack off which to light all those candles. I believe the players we need in the front 7 are on the roster, they’re just not starting. FWIW, Terry Williams was unblockable pre-season. Fox will figure it out and change that. Then they’ll make us better in the draft and FA next season.

      Cutty is not the problem. People expecting the defense et al to be fixed in one season is the problem.

      • You keep harping on Tayo at RT. Do you have any idea how stupid that would be?

        • Extremely. I would want him at OG, and if Slauson can play RG, I’d prefer him at LG to work with the Center while he gets his sea legs under him, but if they put Tayo at RG (suited to his body type), then I’d be ok with that.

          He can’t suck more than Offsides Ducasse right now.

          If Trestman had the “balls” to start Long and Mills as rookies, why can’t Fox go with an equally unproven Tayo and Long at RT?

          I would (if Tayo was in shape)

          • Tayo is as unproven as Long was, but Mills had a much longer college resume.

        • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

          I don´t have any problem, trying bodies at RG as long as Ducasse doesn´t play there, futhermore he shouldn´t play in the NFL.

      • ” FWIW, Terry Williams was unblockable pre-season. ”
        FWIW, PHI offense was unstoppable this preseason. Through 2 games, they’ve looked like shit. The lesson, as always, is that preseason is not nearly as predictive as people always think.

        • MB30SD

          Thiiiiis

      • Trac

        I like your optimism paired with realism Irish. Very down to earth. Hee hee.

      • GamerDad

        Yeah this has been the issue for a long time in Chicago. The QB hasn’t been the problem for a long time.

        In the Rex Grossman/Kyle Orton era it was our horrid offensive line that stagnated the offense.

        The Cutler era has been witness to some of the worse defense ever played in league history much less team history.

        I have been on board the Cutler is ok train for years but I’ve turned a corner. He just isn’t a good QB a good QB makes the throws in the red zone when the game is on the line.

        The difference between him and Payton Manning is Manning tends to win games with the risks he takes. Cutler tends to lose them. Maybe it is just bad luck, but I would be ok with us drafting the QB of the future next year because I’m tired of Cutler.

        What we need is just a good/great QB that is accurate and that can protect the ball. Forte is enough to at least keep us competitive if we can keep defenses honest with the pass.

        The D is still in major rebuild mode. I don’t know if anything short of a few more years of drafting players will get it better. At some point we need to keep a coaching staff and commit to a system so that we can build off that.

  • Viva

    Jimmy Claussen is the answer if we’re tanking the rest of the season for a high draft pick.

    • Scharfinator

      Sad but true. We should try to deal Forte/Marty for picks. If we’re truly in rebuild mode, let’s fucking do it.

      • Big Mike

        Imagine Forte in NE. OMFG. I feel bad for him.

        • I would like Forte in ARIZ. They have some sort of committee of pussies.
          Forte in that system with an aggressive Arians would be great. And, they don’t cheat.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Plus isn’t AZ where all Chicagoans go to retire anyway?

    • Trac

      Too soon. We are 1 game out. If we go 0-4 then yeah, play every young player that has the right attitude and find out what we got on the roster from top to bottom.

  • SC Dave

    170 penalty yards… sigh

  • Joecashflow

    Has there even been a Cutler sighting? Romo was on sidelines with broken collarbone. Answered media questions on sidelines. Cutler?? Maybe still peddling the bike in the tunnel. Maybe never seen in Chicago again. We wait for update from Fox…..not.

    • BearDown100393

      Maybe he went to Walgreens to protest the new flu shot?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Look at the Girls, their season is done already. We may get Cutty back in a week or two.

      Is Kevin White gone for the whole year by the way?

      • MB30SD

        Yes

    • MB30SD

      Who cares

    • Johnnywad

      Jesus. Who gives a fuck where he’s standing? Let me guess……not a team leader? If he stands there and watches the guy walk into the end zone, he’s a little bitch. If he tackles him and gets injured, he’s either dumb, a pussy, or faking an injury. He can’t win with the fans in this city.

      I’ve gone from Cutty Fan, to Cutty Agnostic (Thanks Butch) and now all the way back to Cutty Fan. I want him to win a Super Bowl in Chicago just to lift a giant middle finger to fans like you. In the post game celebration, I want Erin Andrews to stroll up with some bullshit question, so he can pause, light up a cig, smirk into the camera, and just walk away.

      There is currently no other better option to take his spot. There may not be one next year. The guy is one of the 20 best in the world at what he does. Anybody still clamoring for Jimmy Clausen or David Fucking Fales has no business even discussing the game. We’re fucked without Cutler, and yet, there are still “fans” kicking dirt on his grave calling for the next guy. It’s all very tiresome.

      • SC Dave

        It’s such a shame, because Cutler has looked really good this season. One bad decision (GB game) INT, and one bad throw or miscommunication INT (Ariz). I’m fine with those.

        Personally, I’d have said nothing had Cutler just let the guy run the INT back. Everyone knows that Manning, Brady, Brees would do the same, and likely as not get the TD back on the very next drive. Jay should start making those decisions, IMO, regardless of what fans may or may not think. In fact, the way he was playing yesterday, I would not have been in the slightest surprised had the beloved marched right down the field to get it back.

        Instead, we’re wondering when Jay comes back.

  • Big Mike

    Best quote maybe ever “Clausen forgot how to play football”.

  • Big Mike

    The kool aid on the blog was a placebo

  • Bearnorth48

    I’ll be in Seattle to watch the bad news bears play

  • Irish Sweetness

    ” Then a poor throw is compounded with the ridiculous decision to try and make a tackle. ”

    No, no, no. Whether Bennett was supposed to sit down on the route only Gase, Bennett and Cutler really know, but how in the name of all that is holy can you say a football player should shy away from making a TD-saving tackle in a football game? Any player who did so would be as dead to me as Devin Hester is.

    • Trac

      You can’t blame Cutty for trying to save a TD. Most fans today only know how to bitch and second guess.

    • MB30SD

      2 out of 3. He’s proven he sucks at D too… just walk to the sideline next time hero. Smh

    • Sactowns#1

      I don’t mind him trying to make a tackle but for gods sake learn how to properly tackle if you’re in the NFL. Head up and drive through. Jeesh

  • Trac

    Hey guys, guess what? We really are in rebuild mode. Should not be a surprise to anyone that’s been following the Bears for the last 5 years.

    There should be nobody left that doesn’t realize how truly bad of a GM Emery and Angelo were. Pace had no idea what he had up until now so anyone who wants to fire a Salvo at him is misguided.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      I agree.

  • Trac

    Jeff, it’s the 2nd game of a new system and a new season. There’s not a poster on this blog that doesn’t realize this team is screwed without Cutty. To expect a hack 2nd stringer at this stage to fill in without issues is sillyness.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Unless we want to suck for Cook, that is.

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      bring Fales and watch what he can do before throw this season away.

  • I feel dirty for giving Aaron Rodgers credit for being a funny human being, but I really appreciate his subtle dig at Russel Wilson: http://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-makes-fun-of-russell-wilson-by-crediting-1732038175

    • MB30SD

      Hate you right now

      • only because you know i’m right for appreciating his zing.

    • bwhaha don’t make me like him!
      It would’ve been total trolling if he was sipping Wilson’s “Holy Water” at the podium.

  • Irish Sweetness

    You were right about Miami though, Jefe !

    • Sactowns#1

      My Bucs pick was great. Rams pick not so much.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I think I’ll pick three teams next week and go with the exact opposites.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The Rams beat the Hawks last week and fooled everyone. Skittless hasn’t done much, and Jimmy Graham is out to lunch. Maybe the Rams just beat a team thats’ not so good without Kam.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Up until the interception…” That kind of describes Jay’s Chicago experience, doesn’t it?

    • Was thinking exactly the same.
      That should be engraved on his tombstone “Up until the interception…”

    • Irish Sweetness

      But he used to throw 3 or 4, and could always have had more. Not so this season.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    This is the score I was expecting in the GB game to be honest. I was pleasantly surprised.

    The Cardinals have a decent team and they really exploited our biggest defense weakness in our secondary. That being said, Cutty did have a great game up to the point of injury. This is still a re-building year and I’m still hoping for 500, but the Seahawks game is going to be very, very tough, especially with a back-up QB. Let’s face facts, the Bears are going to be Last in their Division with the defense we have now, If they do better great, but the cards are on the table IMO.

    Cross your fingers that no one else of importance gets hurt and Bear Down.

    • AlbertInTucson

      .500?

      I’m betting the new over & under is 2.5 wins.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        “hope”…I know, it’s overrated. I think if some changes are made to improve the Defense, it’s still possible. What those changes would be at this point I cannot say.

      • We’ll absolutely beat the Lions and Vikes at least once.

        Washington, Bucs, Raiders, 9ers 50/50 games

        The rest will be underdogs.

  • GamerDad

    Jay Cutler just is not a good QB. No matter how many good plays he made, the Red Zone offense has been horrible. You can’t win by kicking field goals, especially with the Bears questionable at best defense.

    That being said he is probably still the best on the team, so let’s hope he isn’t injured. We are looking at 9-7 barely missing the playoffs in the absolute best case senario. I’m calling 8-8. Maybe less if Jay continues to get injured or goes out for the season.

      • Scharfinator

        Dave needs this shirt. Surprised he doesn’t have it already.

        • SC Dave

          Certainly not far from reality. But I’ll stick with my Robbie jersey.

    • beninnorcal

      He’s “probably still the best on the team”?
      Did you see what happenned to our offense after his exit?

    • beninnorcal

      8-8? Dude, you better at least hope Cutler is back for a shot at that. I’m thinking more like 4-5 wins max. If this Cutler thing is serious we may be picking first in the next draft.

      • SC Dave

        No way. The Bears don’t even know how to suck. 4 to 5 wins in a miserable season, but no decent draft pick.

  • FQD1911

    man…where to start:

    1) This team is getting a top 5 draft pick in the 2016 NFL Draft. No question about it.

    2) Will the Bears draft a QB in the top 3 rounds? Man…Cutler looked good until the injury, but we’re ALWAYS saying that. 8/8 until the pick six…seriously, how many times has that happened with #6 QBing the team?

    3) I’m with Jefe: if Forte is with the Bears past the trade deadline, he better be signed to another contract. Dude is the most underrated back in the NFL bar none.

    4) The defense may actually be worst than last year, which is very hard to fathom.

    The bright side? At least Chip Kelly is in Philadelphia.

    • i just did some research. this is the first time in the history of Cutler that he went 8/8 before throwing a pick-6.

      • FQD1911

        ok…let me change that: how many times have we seen Cutler do well in a game for it to be scuttled with an untimely turnover? do you have a stat for that one?

        • A lot. And Cutler probably leads all starters with the most multiple INT games and INTs to fat guys.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            just did a little research. according to http://www.pro-football-reference.com in 2014 who led the league in interceptions to DE/DT?

          • My best guess, just off LAST season and not career.
            Bortles, or maybe even Brees cuz he had a shitty year.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Peyton Manning had 3 interceptions to DE/DT last year to lead the league.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Old Jay. Believe me, I’ve criticised the dude a whole lot in the past, but I thought he was like a new QB last week, and was excellent yesterday too.

          • FQD1911

            True, but at some point, people have to see a certain pattern. I would go with Jay one more year, but the Bears QB successor needs to be DRAFTED this year (not free agency, supplemental draft, or anything else outside of the top 3 rounds),

    • SC Dave

      3) is so fucking spot on.

  • The GP

    Foxy is pissed. He will make hard core changes. Expect benching, trades – something to not repeat that.

    • BearDown100393

      I thought they did that already

  • The GP

    Nobody has a hammy and doesn’t grab the hammy at some point.

    It’s either a concuss or an ankle.

    • beninnorcal

      Or right shoulder, that was what he landed on. But I think your right with the concussion idea.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He had a couple of clouts before that including a head-head collision. Precautionary perhaps.

      • SC Dave

        This is what I think we’ve got.

    • BearDown100393

      What did the Fox say?

  • Cubsnlinux

    Is it just me or are the majority of Cutler’s interceptions happen with Bennett? It just seems like they are not always on the same page. I am not convinced that Bennett is not entirely blameless.

    • Irish Sweetness

      This is it! Remember with Knox and Hester, and other dudes that weren’t in their playbooks? Granted, Cutty was very careless back then, but he’s clerly looking after the ball now generally, throwing it away or running with it, and very effectively. He’s extending drives now, instead of killing them consistently.

      • Knox and Hester weren’t PB receivers, not even close.
        Bennett is a PBer. That’s the difference.
        Was it Bennet’s fault last week?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Nope. Just yesterday, and it cost us our QB who had u in the game.

          • We don’t know if it was Bennett’s fault. What if it was Jay’s (considering his long history of them)? That pass was waaaay behind. It wasn’t as if he was leading Bennett to a spot on a rhythmic shot a la Martz.
            Did he expect Bennett to make his way back (right to where the defender was)?
            I’d have to look at the INT again, but if it was an “option” route, then Bennett seemed to make the right option given that he didn’t run back into the defender.

            But we won’t know till either Bennett or Cutler is off the team. God knows Bennett isn’t shy. He already called Cutler the McDonalds of QBs.

            That being said, Cutler is a superior option to Clausen, and most likely Fales or any current FA.

            Such is the life of a Bears fan.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ahhh… who put Bennett in the PB? Does Jerry Rice put up numbers lke that with a bad QB?

            Posted the link above, watch the INT again and tell me what you think …. Bennett stops, Cutty throws, and as he does, Bennett moves away. Cutty won’t throw him under the bus in a presser.

  • beninnorcal

    I just wanna say that I like the positivity that Irish is bringing in his posts. Not happy with the outcome yesturday but it ain’t over yet. They still gotta play the games.
    Also, the Packers will still probably choke in the playoffs.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      After watching the Packers play last night, I have to disagree. Unless Lacy is hurt badly and they get more key injuries, they are going to be the top card in our division. I don’t see Rogers choking often.

      That being said he is still human, the Bears did play them very well. Everyone is talking about the weakness of our secondary and yes, this past game with the Cards proved it, but what about our almost non-existent pass rush? If we had 3 Sacks on Rogers or Palmer these last 2 game I think the Bears could have easily won…I think this point concerns me more than anything else. We knew our Secondary was going to be poor this season before it even started, but the lack of sacks and stuffs are going to hurt us more.

      • beninnorcal

        I was really just saying it as a bitter Bears fan. As long as they have Rogers they will be in every game.
        And I agree about the lack of pass rush but am just kinda used to it at this point. Sad to watch a Bear D get humiliated like that over and over.

        • beninnorcal

          But the Pack WILL probably choke in the playoffs..

          • Bears-4-Ever

            They choked last year no doubt. But if the Bears can’t get there, then I’d rather see the Pack Face NE in SB50 then the Shithawks or anyone else in the NFC.

          • beninnorcal

            ..and then lose? Yeah, me too. Fucking Packers.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Yes they are our arch rivals I know…but given the choice between them and the Belicheats?

            Man, I don’t know…It’s like Picking Stalin or Mao.

          • SC Dave

            I would absolutely root for G.B. over the Cheatriots. I’d root for ANYONE, even fucking Nick Saban, over the Cheatriots.

          • BillW

            I laughed out loud last night when either Michaels or Collingworth said “Rodgers getting the play form (whoever), but he has the right to change it anytime”.

            REALLY?? Then why DIDN’T he in the NFCC last year when McCarthy insisted on giving the ball back to Seattle in the 4th with his terrible play calling?

            I know he gave up play calling this year – and I’m sure that’s the number 1 (and 2 and 3…) reason why. But I will always criticize Rodgers for not taking control. Guy is the best passer I ever saw. Not the best leader I ever saw at the position.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dying to see Acho or Timu get a shot, and show some of that hunger we saw in PS. Allen and McPhee are in there because of their salaries, but Fox might rotate a bit more to see if other guys show up.

        • Acho played some reps. Not sure how many, but I think they view him as a pass rush specialists, not an everydown backer.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He can’t do worse than McPhee. Why do we need every down backers? And where was Willie?

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            ian Rapoport reported last week or the week before that Young is on the trading block and will likely be released if they can’t move him. Evidently he does not fit the scheme very well

          • I can’t believe they can’t make Young work. He’s young and full of potential. By far our most effective rusher last year.
            Maybe his Achilles sapped some of his explosiveness. I wouldn’t just cut him, that’s for sure.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We played two teams who will be in the playoffs, and pretty much hung in there. I don’t think the wheels have come off, Ben. Fox said it himself after the game – there will be different players in there if they’re not showing up on gameday. Fuller notably. Maybe McPhee? We’ve looked pretty good outside of two plays and a KO return. Expect nothing this season and just enjoy the offense if nothing else. Can’t wait to see what we look like next season.

      At least nobody is calling for Foxy’s head ….

      • T’Challa

        Fox and his staff have come with great game plans both weeks. The players have failed to execute. A person can see the professionalism in Fox’s staff compared to Trestman. The Bears were not outcoached, just outplayed.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Fox and Tresty, night and day. This is where the hope lies. The structure is right, some personnel need to sit, and we’ll iron out the kinks with the right players.

          • T’Challa

            I can’t disagree with you.

        • Benching Fuller and inserting Mitchell is a huge step for me.
          That tells me that they’re not afraid to make changes or at least send a message.

          But we’ll see. We were in both games against SB contenders…up until the INTs.

          After the INTs, it all went down hill.

          • T’Challa

            I agree!

  • Scharfinator
  • beninnorcal

    Also, regarding Cutler, the pick was bad. I immediately thought of the Woodson quote- “same old Jay”. But Cutler is always dominating the conversation when we lose and I call bs. Up until the point of that pick-six we gave up 3 really dumb TD’s but were still going toe to toe.
    What I’m saying is that anyone who wants to point to Cutler as the main issue while ignoring what’s going on defensively loses credibility IMO.

    And that’s fine if he’s gone after this year or whatever. But until we have Aaron Rogers’ clone, there’s no way we can stay in games when we allow our opponents to score everytime they get the ball.

    • BerwynBomber

      He played very well until that pick. Last year he should have shouldered as much blame as the D, IMO. But I don’t think anyone is blaming Cutler for yesterday’s loss. At least on this board.

      In terms of the Rodgers talk, it should stop but never well. It is unfair to both guys for different reasons. A stupid comparison.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Bennett should have sat on the route and he moved. I mean Jay was 8/9 on the game. Russell Wilson threw a pick and got beat today, nobody says a word. One bad pass last week, maybe Bennett’s fault this week, but around those two plays he’s been like a rejuvenated, improved, smarter player. This is not the old Jay.

        • BerwynBomber

          Not buying the Black Uni blame. Cutty’s decision-making has always been suspect. And the D-back was sitting on the route (if that indeed was where it was supposed to go).

          In terms of the complete Gase-influenced transformation of Cutty, waaaaaay too early. If you look at him in context of the rest of the NFL QBs, his performance/efficiency #s are pretty much where they often are. Regardless, we need a larger sample size than a game and a half.

        • Ha, I knew a Cutty apologist would bring up the Wilson INT. I just didn’t expect it from you, Irish! Did the tall blues switch your body with Waffles? lol

          I get it. 10yr Elway transfiguration. Cutty has looked divine shining in the new Gase system…up until the INT.

          I want to believe too, like Moulder…but then he throws the INT that essentially loses the game (he’s not the only one at fault).

          I still think Cutler gives us the best chance at QB, and I’m willing to give him to the end of the season to find out if he indeed is transfigured…but until then I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt with the INTs like I did in the past.

          As GW says…fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, fool me can’t fool again.

  • Shady

    “Up until the interception, Jay Cutler may have been playing his best game as a Chicago Bear.”

    OK, stop me if you’ve heard this one before…

  • BerwynBomber

    Trivial but when did Langford switch to Peanut’s #? Wasn’t he #36 all thru the preseason?

  • BillW

    This question may get lost in the flurry of MMQ posts, but I really don’t understand intricacies of route adjustments.

    I understand conceptually there are adjustments the receivers are to make and the QBs are to expect based on certain situations. What I don’t know is how complex those can be be. Is it as simple as “if player A does this, you adjust to this – otherwise no”?

    Or is it more complex – if this, then this, else if this, then this, else…

    I ask because it seems to me many of Cutty’s INTs come from adjustments made, not made, not recognized etc. Like yesterday.

    Last week it was clear – Cutler didn’t account for Matthews and Mathews made a great play. This week it’s not clear.

    I don’t watch any other team regularly, but I would think even Rodgers would throw the occasional bad INT if he and his receiver read the play differently. That it never seems to happen implies something but I have no idea what – his receivers never makes mistakes? He can tell that his receiver is not doing the expected and goes somewhere else? They don’t have sight adjusted routes at all?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Martellus Bennett is not a smart man. Cutty knows the playbook better than anyone, knows the offense very well according to Gase.

      Watch the INT – first play (of course) on the highlight reel.

      http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015092006/2015/REG2/cardinals@bears#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000534970&tab=recap

      Looks like the route was to the left hash mark, Uni hits his spot, and then stutters sideways, DB makes the pick. If he stands still instead, he makes a huge gain. Cutty only had time to see Uni stop – releases the pass – then Uni moves off again. Hardly Cutler’s fault. Bennett left him out to dry IMO.

      • BillW

        Thanks Irish. I don’t expect nor want the coaches to call out anyone. I just like the comfort of knowing it is identifiable. I trust the coaches – all very well experienced – to make the appropriate statements to the player/team.

        There seems to be a small rumbling among some that trading Forte and/or Bennett might fit into the rebuild strategy.

        I’d hate to see Matt go and anyway it might be difficult to get value for him given his age. But Bennett? I think he’s a great TE but I have no affinity toward him. If they can get a decent pick for him I can’t think of any reason not to do that in-season.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Good point about Rodgers not throwing many picks though. He generally has had the same receivers though, no? He lobbied hard to JJ back. Maybe that’s why.

      • MB30SD

        Bennett is actually a pretty smart guy, whether he really gives a shit because the bears didn’t pay him in another questions.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He’s said some pretty dumb things in interviews I’ve seen. The kind of things that make you think “man, you’re dumb.”

          why does he move from team to team? Why did Baltimore let McPhee go? Allen? If Jared could still do it they’d still pay him.

          • have you heard Marino talk?
            He still balled.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Marino was famously dumb. He has no rings .. coincidence?

            Bradshaw is anomalous, he was surrounded by greatness.

          • If Marino was on that 85 Bears team, he would’ve won like 5 rings.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I doubt it. Ditka said Mac was the smartest player he ever coached, and they don’t win a SB without him. Marino’s Wonderlic score was 15. One could argue that it’s not safe to let him out of the house. Plus, Marino had the best coach of all time.

      • Pause that clip at 3 seconds, Irish.
        You’ll see exactly what both Bennett and Cutler were thinking.

        Bennett at that point in the route is looking at Jay expecting the pass, but he’s sandwiched by a LB in front of him and defender behind. So, he keeps going.

        Cutler, trusting his arm as always, says, “I don’t give a fuck if that LB is in front of Bennett, I can squeeze it in.”

        Cutler did in fact whiz it by the LBs head, but Bennett kept going to try get more open and make the throw easier.

        In some ways, they were both right, and somehow both wrong. More importantly, they simply weren’t on the same page.

        Now that I think of it, maybe that’s a huge problem with Cutty INTs in general.

        The receivers try to get more open not thinking Cutler will try to squeeze the ball into tight windows even if they’re apparently covered.

        maybe.

        • BillW

          Again, I’m very ignorant on these things, but there is a real danger obviously in making things up on the fly. If Bennet was supposed to stay there, then he needed to stay there. That’s what’s called being covered. Sure, he can get open by moving, but only if the QB magically knows he decided to move. In the span of less than half a second probably.

          I brought this up because a similar thing happened with Marshall last year. He decided he’d be open if he kept running but Cutler threw to where (it seemed) he was supposed to be. Marshall said he put his arm up as a signal – but it was picked because Marshall freelanced.

          I would guess there is a difference between freelancing and site adjustments on routes.

          • with option routes, it’s up to the receiver to decide which “option” is more open.

            This is a basic one.

            http://gonzalezpassinggame.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/8/8/11881347/44887.jpg?539

            The receiver, based on coverage, decides which spot to run to that is most open.

            The QB must wait till that happens.

            Some chemistry and anticipation is needed by the QB because he would have to read the same defense as the receiver.

            But it’s not “freelancing”.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, but wasn’t the whole Marshall “debate” last year in the CAR game when Cutty threw it into triple-coverage?

            Are we the only city in America that goes to these lengths to absolve our QB of blame the next day?

          • Yes, now that I think of it, I wonder what % of Cutty’s pick come off of “option” routes.

            I hinted below, but maybe the receivers who are double-tripled covered don’t “sit” thinking, ‘fuck, I’m covered”. They keep going to the other spot.

            Meanwhile, Jay is looking at that same double-triple coverage and thinking, “I can get this motherfucker in there.” And he throws it to that spot where the receiver no longer is, but the defenders (often trailing) are.

            Hmmm…it’s an interesting theory.

            Simple solution. Much less “option” routes on top of less “audibles” to try to limit Cutty until he really develops a rapport (even then, see Bmarsh).

          • SC Dave

            Probably not.

          • SC Dave

            The correct approach to take in those situations, IMO, is to throw the ball someplace where only the receiver has a decent chance to catch it. And I don’t mean high unless it’s in the end zone.

            Easy? Hell no. But it seems to have the best reward/risk ratio.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Hmmm. Bit of both then. I won’t hang Cutty out on that, it wasn’t a WTF throw like he’s used to .. but yeah, A-rod doesn’t throw them. Then again, he’s awesome.

        • SC Dave

          Maybe. We don’t know, and speculation does not change interceptions into something else. You kind of have to go with *what* happens, since we’ll never really know *why*.

    • BerwynBomber

      There is always one constant with all these silly MMQ “miscommunication” INT debates. Re: Occam’s razor.

  • CanadaBear

    Don’t care who’s to blame for the INT. The result is a fucker. Oh well, it’s not like Bears fans aren’t used to a little adversity. After seeing Indy suck for Luck and the Cubs tank 3 seasons in a row, I’m beginning to warm up to the idea of going for the #1 pick. If Cutler is out for the year, the Bears have a realistic shot at #1. Hope Fox is serious about shaking up the starters. At this point I don’t care who’s in or out.

    Hopefully Pickles starts in Seattle. After that embarrassing loss, put in Fales until Cutler is healthy. Might as well see what we have in the young guys. I’m totally OK with trading Forte if we aren’t going to re-sign him. If they can get anything for guys not considered to be core guys going forward, trade ’em all. Let’s go for that first pick!

    • BerwynBomber

      Bennett could be a decent trade chip too but I have no idea how much guaranteed money he has remaining on his deal.

      I’m all for Fales starting over Pickles but can’t see Fox waving the white flag like that — or at least allowing that perception to take hold.

      • CanadaBear

        If/when Pickles crashes and burns against Seattle, the staff might change their minds about starting Fales. I’m not convinced Fales is better than Pickles but we’ve all got a pretty good idea what we have in Pickles (avg at best).

        • willbest

          Pickles isn’t in the Brandon Weeden category. Dump him, role with Fales and that other guy they had in training camp.

    • FQD1911

      Only thing is: Indy sucked one year for Luck while they had 10+ of Peyton Manning…

      that’s some strange, cosmic lucky shit there.

      • BerwynBomber

        That kinda pissed me off. Made me think the NFL should institute a lottery.

        Heck, I am surprised the NFL hasn’t if only because it would mean another TV program of killer ratings.

        • Yeah, but what happens when Brady retires after winning his 6th SB, and the Pats miraculously win the #1 pick…

          • BerwynBomber

            And fuck, doesn’t it look like they are going to win another one? Destroying BUF like that? Good lord …

        • FQD1911

          Right? Then come to find out Irsay is a pill-popping alcoholic.

          • BerwynBomber

            Much as we grouse about the Cheese fortune with Favre and Rodgers, at least they did their homework and kind of outsmarted teams in landing those two.

            Indy? They just sucked canal water for two important years and Manning and Luck fell into their laps.

          • CanadaBear

            I get your point about the Fudgies but let’s face it, Erin dropped right squarely in their lap. Kudos to them for pulling the trigger.

          • BerwynBomber

            Well, 20+ teams took a pass on Rodgers and the Cheese didn’t. Obviously, it’s not finding Brady in round six but it was a pretty good decision. And same with Favre kinda. I’m guessing a lot of teams could have pried him loose from ATL. But only the Cheese apparently thought to do it.

            Luck? Manning? They were pretty much no-brainers.

            Anyway, not stroking the Cheese here. Just saying an idiot could have been as “smart” as IND.

          • SC Dave

            Brady has an entire career of cheating backing up his stats.

          • FQD1911

            Rodgers was groomed into the position. People forget that he had a HORRIBLE release coming out of Cal and that was the reason why he fell (he should not have fell as low as he did, but whatever). If Cutler were able to be groomed for 2 years before his official start, do we talk about him in the same breath we do now? He had to go in for Jake Plummer and did ok…he has had an extreme case of bad luck mixed in with his professional shortcomings.

            hey…at least he’ll never have to do real work again for the rest of his life.

          • BillW

            An ardent Packer fan I worked with said after his first couple years that Rodgers was a wasted draft pick. Based on what he saw in preseason obviously.

            Rodgers worked hard it would seem to improve. We all know he leanred a lot from Favre in the negative sense – don’t throw picks no matter what. To the point of being sacked endlessly it seemed in his year or two starting. He knew just how much an INT hurts your team AND helps the other.

            Beyond that, Rodgers seems to know where everyone is and more importantly where they will be. Add a very accurate arm and you have a near unbeatable QB.

          • Viva

            We drafted Cedric Benson the same year the Pack took Rodgers.

          • CanadaBear

            If we hadn’t drafted the Sex Cannon, we might have drafted Erin. Who knows? How ’bout the 3 1st rounders in 3 years? Sex Cannon, Cedrunk and possibly the worst 1st rounder in modern Bears history, Michael Haynes. The other 1st rounder in that span was Tommie. Even Glitchy finds an acorn once in a while.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ennis would get a vote too.

          • BillW

            Cade.

          • BerwynBomber

            But Cade technically went outside the top 10. I think to win the award you have to be top ten, maybe even top five.

          • CanadaBear

            At least he had an excuse. He did everything mgmt asked, put on weight and become a banger.

          • BearDown100393

            Gabe

          • BearDown100393

            The Bears groomed him for the Cheese

      • CanadaBear

        Not sure if it was lucky or a really sweet plan after Peyton went down.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Not very good TEs have put up good numbers on occasion this season. Sefarian last week, disappear this week. That Baltimore TE I’ve never heard of had big numbers yesterday. I’d have no problem getting rid of Bennett. He’s a loose cannon.

    • BearDown100393

      The mantra from George to Pace should be, “Wipe them out. All of them.” Regarding this roster.

    • Trac

      What’s amazing though Canada my manada, is that the Bears are only a game back in a weak division. I still say the Cheese can be had.

      • Johnnywad

        They’re 2 plus a tie breaker back.

        • Trac

          I had convinced myself the Cheese would lose last night so in my mind, they’re 1-1. Got it?

      • CanadaBear

        Although we are 2 back after 2 games + a tie-breaker, we are so talent deficient there is no way we even get to .500. Not to mention, 2 games back (+ a tie-breaker) is as far back as you can get after 2 games.

        • Trac

          Crap you’re right, we’re screwed. Hahaha

    • willbest

      Dude walked off the field. He isn’t out for the season. 3 weeks tops.

      • CanadaBear

        Don’t care. I’m all in for a total rebuild.

  • wreckinball

    Seems like I picked a very good game to miss
    Think I’ll skip the DVR also

    • SC Dave

      A good plan.

  • Viva

    I miss Peanut.

    • #33 was running out the backfield! Peanut’s alive!

    • MB30SD

      I don’t miss bad/injured peanut.

      I miss good football from the bears.

      • And does anybody believe Peanut would’ve covered Brown one-on-one.
        I love me some Peanut, but that would’ve been ugly.

        • CanadaBear

          He might have punched one out of there!

        • Viva

          Dude shut down megatron like it was cool…back in the day…

          and teamed up with MB to give Randy Moss a chronic case of alligator arms…

      • Viva

        He is a pretty remarkable guy who played his ass off. Kind of guy that is fun to root for. (Who, bye the way, was a takeaway machine.)

        • MB30SD

          you have no arguments from me re: any of the above. He’s done though my brother. Time to put the old boy out to pasture. like lach was in his last year or two, the mind is there, the body is just a liability now.

          we have enough liabilities. He can 100% come back to be our DB coach though!

          • Couldn’t agree more. I shed a small tear when I saw Lach try to chase down Wilson at Soldier Field. That was the moment I knew this.

    • BillW

      No matter how bad things got, we always had a few players we just plain admired. Some with a lot of talent, some with a lot of heart, some with both.

      Who is that on the current roster? I’d say Matt and Kyle Long for sure. Need more of them and I’m sure Pace/ Fox feel the same. Hopefully there are few more on the roster we just haven’t gotten to know to that level yet.

  • BillW

    A tweet to Jeff (yes, I actually read one of his tweets and opened it up to see what he was responding to.)

    “Cutler injury wiped out most of the playbook.” Certainly makes sense. The option or QB fake and run or whatever that was did keep the Cards D off balance. That went away right away with Clausen and so did the offense.

    • I completely agree. Once Clausen went in, I said, “There goes the read option and our run game.”

      The Cards are an aggressive front. The read made them a bit hesitant.

      Once that was gone, the dogs of hell were unleashed on a QB who got no reps.

  • AlbertInTucson
  • RenoBear

    I still don’t buy the hamstring injury. I’ll bet Cutler walked over to Gase after the puck and said ‘uhhhh coach, I don’t remember my name and who are all these people in the stands’…. Foxy covering Bears asses for not going into concussion protocol after that helmet to helmet that wasn’t called the series before..

      • WP34

        Thanks for sharing.

        • BillW

          OK – so despite what some speculated (and I do understand the speculation) it’s quite possible it really is a hammy. He did hold his thigh when he got up. I didn’t realize that at the time. I don’t think he’d have the presence of mind to think “I have a bad shoulder and/or I’m really dizzy but I’m going to hold my thigh so we can pretend it’s really a hamstring.”

          • BearDown100393

            It really doesn’t matter anymore

      • MB30SD

        yeah, 100% grabbed his hammy. in the heat of me screaming at the highlight real I didn’t notice that I guess.

        • BillW

          Uh oh – we posted essentially the same thing at the same time. Is that one of the 7 signs of the apocalypse?

          • Trac

            Yup, you guys ARE a lot alike. Hee hee.

        • WP34

          seems to be a different camera view, one that is more upfield from the live camera angle.

      • RenoBear

        Ahhh well, I like the conspiracy theory better.,more exciting than what’s happening on the field…

  • WP34

    Medical tests have confirmed that Jay Cutler suffered a strained hamstring in Chicago’s 48-23 loss to the Arizona Cardinals, Bears coach John Fox said Monday.

    Fox declined to announce a timetable for Cutler’s return, but he indicated that the 32-year-old quarterback does not have a long-term ailment.

    “Anytime it’s not real severe, I think it’s good news,” Fox said. “We’ll just evaluate it going forward. We’ll put our game plan in tonight for Seattle, and players are back in on Wednesday.”

    The Bears’ starting quarterback for Week 3 at Seattle is “yet to be determined,” Fox said.

    • BerwynBomber

      Sounded like a 50/50 chance Cutty starts on Sunday.

      • WP34

        That’s what is sounded like to me. Going to be tough game on the road.

        • BearDown100393

          If the Bears are averaging 39.5 points against at home how much worse will it get on the road?

          • WP34

            0 points on offense.

          • BearDown100393

            Week 3 and already releastically relegated to spoiler status

  • willbest

    Last year I don’t recall Rodgers ever getting flushed out of the pocket and then throwing it away. He had to do that a couple times against us and even more last night. That is why I don’t think they are Super Bowl bound.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agreed. Also did you see what NE did to BUF yesterday? Pats our the SB favorite IMV — Revis or no Revis.

      The other thing with the Cheese is that they have no consistent deep threat w/out Nelson. Yeah, Rodgers turns water into wine but Nelson was his go-to/Brandon Marshall-type guy. They don’t have that quick score ability w/out him.

      The Cheese D deserves credit for playing better last night (than they did against us). But I still think AZ and SEA are, overall, superior teams. Rodgers, though, gives GB a puncher’s chance.

  • MB30SD

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Biggest takeaway from Vikings/Lions? Congratulations to the Green Bay Packers, NFC North champions!”

    Hahahaha, that’s what I’ve been saying. They both suck. Not as badly as us, but they don’t have great excuses. Fucking packers.

    • Trac

      So how long will we be the Cleveland Bears? Or is it the Chicago Browns?

      • AlbertInTucson

        Haven’t we been that for a couple of decades?

        • MB30SD

          since the last half of lovie’s tenure

      • MB30SD

        ask john fox mate

  • BerwynBomber

    Wonder if there could be a disagreement between Fox and Pace as to when Jay returns. For obvious reasons, Fox will want him out there ASAP. For more long-term, calculated reasons, Pace may only want him out there when he is absolute 100% so Cutty’s game tape will look good as possible going into the off-season.

    Pace, I’m sure, will defer to Fox but the GM is paid to think beyond the next game.

  • MB30SD

    Ok, keeping up with my duties: http://thechive.com/2015/09/10/i-dream-of-a-world-without-bras-32-photos/

    If you’re not a boob guy, I can’t help you and I’ll never understand you. It doesn’t mean we can’t be friends, it just means we can’t be best friends… and you’re going to hell. Sorry I’m not sorry.

    • WP34

      Ditto on your comments.

      Very nice; Thank u.

    • MB30SD

      Here, compare for yourself: http://thechive.com/2015/09/17/things-that-bounce-thursday-15-gifs-17/

      Is there really any comparison? a nice ass is just that… uhhhmmmm, nice.

      Great boobs are a rare and cherished event, something that can make or break a relationship.

      The unveil of great surprise boobs, is probably one of the most apocalyptic things a man can experience…. as is the surprise bad (pancake) boob unveil… heart and soul crushing.

      • WP34

        I hear what ur saying, there is something so fresh about a great set of headlights; very happy many times unleashing more beautiful bombshells that I had anticipated. My carnal instincts kick in with a nice ass and a women who really knows how to use it.

  • WP34

    Just saw new thread

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