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Thoughts on the First Preseason Game

| August 14th, 2015

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General Note

Having not watched the game live, I was following along on Twitter and with a few friends via text message. It was absolutely astounding the level of hysteria permeating the Tweets whilst my friends were all texting me things like, “they look ok” or “not much to actually learn from this crap”. When I woke up this morning and saw some of the work by the illustrious Chicago media, I expected to be viewing a train wreck. That was not the case. My thoughts on the game last night were overall positive.

Three Thoughts on the Offense…

  • Jay Cutler to Eddie Royal is going to be this offense’s security blanket. Expect the Bears to start a lot of drives with quick outs to put them in second and six or less.
  • Will Montgomery is a HUGE upgrade at center. He attacked Suh at the line of scrimmage on several plays and frustrated arguably one of the best defenders in the sport.

  • Jordan Mills’ false start didn’t bother me anywhere near as much as his completely whiffing against Cameron Wake. He can be a liability on the edge but a few of those in September and Jimmy Clausen is starting in October. Bears need to start looking elsewhere on the roster for a starting right tackle.

Three Thoughts on the Defense…

  • Shea McClellin and Christian Jones looked like they’re getting comfortable inside at linebacker. McClellin showed good instincts early breaking on an underneath route to Sims. This was the kind of pass Brian Urlacher scored touchdowns on for years. Shea needs time. Jones shows solid sideline-to-sideline pursuit speed.
  • Brock Vereen does not look like a professional safety. Does he do anything well? (Answer: no.) if Vereen or Hurst are prominently involved in the defensive game plan this season the Bears will allow 348 yards passing a game.
  • Jared Allen didn’t just look comfortable in coverage. He looked like he’d been doing it his whole career.

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  • Trac

    Fair assessments Jeff.

  • Sactowns#1

    Defense scheme is looking good and if Allen and Chicken Dinner can step up in pass coverage this is going to be a fun D to watch.

  • Big Mike

    I was scanning other team’s websites. Came across this quote and it made me throw up a little bit. “We’re doing this thing together,” Trestman said. “That’s how we do it.
    So, it’s a process that goes on throughout the week of putting a game
    plan together, having discussions, talking back and forth and trying to
    put your list together and line up your plays that he’s most comfortable
    with.”

    • Scharfinator

      And then we sit around a campfire, braid one another’s hair, and then I tell them practice is over because they did so great.

      • Big Mike

        We looked great in practice. I don’t know why we gave up 50.

    • Sactowns#1

      Trestman said emotionally. One could see his eyes getting wet as he spoke about his days at Camp Potawatomi and the lessons about teamwork he learned there. As he closed with an impassioned speech about a systematic series of mechanized operations that are performed in order to produce or manufacture something, a single tear ran down his cheek.

      • Big Mike

        Exactly.

  • Big Mike

    I agree with Jeff. The reports of a disaster, no progress, same old thing, etc etc was not apparent to me. I saw energy and heart on defense. I saw an offensive system that looked refreshing.

    • The one thing that alarmed me a bit on Offense was the empty backfield in the redzone. It seemed like they were going a bit pass heavy/quick temp (ala Tresty) in the redzone, and the runs were coming off draw/shotgun type formations (ala Tresty).

      Maybe this is because Gase doesn’t believe in FBs either (like Tresty); who’s gonna be on our jumbo goaline packages? Double TE? Miller/Rosario (not exactly imposing)

      • Big Mike

        I shut my eyes and felt a bit sick when I saw that.

      • willbest

        I don’t have the data, but it has felt to me the last couple years the only purpose the Jumbo package serves is to get your WR 1 on 1

  • Waffle

    I felt bad for that corner from Oregon that got concussed. He looked aggressive and excited to be out there and you knew from the look in his eyes that once he left that field his chance was gone.

    • BerwynBomber

      Mitchell? I sensed the coaches liked him and he’ll get another shot. He seemed to see playing time before Louis-Jean and Hurst.

      • Waffle

        yes Terrance Mitchell, that’s the guy. Hopefully he can come back for games 3 and 4. Louis Jean didn’t look very sharp and Hurst is not making the team.

  • Waffle

    the first series on D was hard to watch but I saw some good things. Vereen…..was not one of them. My gut is also telling me that Fuller should be used more like Woodson and less like Deion.

    • Vereen was brutal. That’s one of the last extensive condemnations MB gave before he left – we both concluded Vereen was just a JAG – at most. Never made plays or flashed in college (and MB played safety in college).

      We either gotta go with Mundy or just say fuck it and start the Amos era.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Or just roll with McMannis/Mitchell in pairups with Mundy, give Amos a few looks, see who wants it.

        • McMannis actually has the size for FS. He’s listed as 6’1 193.

          If he can add a bit more weight, maybe he can convert. His special teams mentality should transfer over well to tackling and aggressiveness.

      • Big Mike

        Why do we keep messing this position up in the draft. 5-6 picks it seems like with nada to show

        • At least we’re not alone. A lot of other teams have drafted the “consensus” top Safety, and they bombed too.

          2012 – Mark Barron, 7th overall, Bucs
          2013 – Vacarro, 15th overall, Saints (I would’ve def drafted him at that slot too)
          2013 – Reid, 18th, 9ers (an after thought, drafted b4 we drafted Long)
          2014 – Pryor, Dix Top 20 – still to early, but very mixed results.

          And naturally, there has been a shit load more who have bombed outside of the 1st.

          I read somewhere that college isn’t producing all-around safeties like before because of the popularity of the shotgun/spread/read-option.

          What happens is that SS become box safeties defending the read, who in turn lack cover skills, and FS hang back and cover, lacking tackling skills.

          Both are accustomed to defending the pistol/spread/read, so they lack the experience of going up against a Rodgers-Brady-Peyton type who kill them in the NFL.

          I think that general theory hold true and what might explain the lack of talent at Safety coming out of the draft.

          It’s almost better to get one later and mold them like the Seahawks and a few other teams did because the “top” safeties in any given draft have busted given where they were selected.

          Edit. this has not gone unnoticed by the NFL and might explain SS Landon Collin’s (who many thought would go top 15) fall to the 2nd rd.

    • BerwynBomber

      Fuller may not have the physicality/durability for that role.

      • Waffle

        We will see bomber

  • SC Dave

    Didn’t watch anyof it, but remain curious about Shea at MLB. Maybe next game I’ll see some

    • Shea was running that D, making the calls and adjustments, which is impressive given his short time in that D.
      However, he didn’t make any impact plays that I can remember.

      Then again, the entire first team D looked kinda lost. Lack of pass rush, run-D hot/cold, loss of containment, offsides, secondary tentative…

      The first team D needs to improve tremendously. Probably the most impressive play was Allen covering a wheel route, which should bode well for his playing time.

      • Oh, and also, Vereen must not start. I never liked him coming out of college. I don’t know if they’re trying to motivate the others, but I can’t believe Fangio will roll with him.

        • Jackson Thomas Campbell

          That offsides was bs, McPhee just read the tackle, who moved. Should have been a false start or a perfectly timed rush off the snap.

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    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

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      • I’ll get it from Artoo or Waffle.
        Coolio. I’ll leave a spot open for you then.

        And then there were 5…

  • Irish Sweetness

    Apart from our starters … we looked great. The Dolphins are a good team.

    Positives:

    New names stepped up – Jonathon Anderson &Jon Timu at LB. Cameron Meredith and AJ Cruz at receiver. Fringe players flashed. Bellamy. Perry. Acho was a revelation. Corn-wash sighting when he nearly got a safety and forced the interception. Carey even looked good behind improved blocking. Clausen was in control, drawing penalties, doing his job, keeping drives alive – he’s solid. Perry’s 54 yard scamper was a statement. Our backup corners looked good (not named Fuller, Louis-Jean or Hurst). Sherrick McMannis was amazing. McClellin never came off in the nickel, Sutton and Ratliff (I think) rotated out in Nickel. We need McMannis in there.

    Negatives:

    Mills and Leno suck. Fuller/Vereen weren’t good. The first teams were shaky but there were a couple of big plays given up, and then they were out of the game.

    Overall, awesome I’d say. I mean, our backups look great. At QB, at DB, at WR/RB, LB, DT … we have ballers….what’s left?

    • willbest

      None of the locked starters are running more than 80% out there. Makes it hard to properly evaluate, particularly with 10-15 plays. And the coaches desire not to do a lot more than run stock plays. It looks like an elaborate form of RPS.

      Mills is still a concern. It is really sad to see. He showed promise as a rookie, but it doesn’t look like his foot injury at the end of his rookie season is going to allow him to play football at a professional level again. I hope he is being wise with his salary like that Detroit player who is only living on 60k a year.

      • The MIA 1st team didn’t seem to have a problem.

        Totally agree about Mills. Shame. Liked him (still think he’d make a better OG than OT), but feet only get worse on big boys.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’m not bothered at all about the starters not impressing – when you’ve got two shots, shit happens. The fun was in discovering hidden delights on the roster, some of whom may well play their way into first string. Take 2 or 3 of the top salaries on defense out of it, and nobody is guaranteed a place. They’re all on low salaries.

        Maybe they were just flashes in the pan, but Jonathon Anderson, Timu, Meredith, Acho, McMannis (especially) they all showed something. Even Sinorise Perry showed he could take it to the house running through the middle. Terrance Mitchell was gutted to be taken out, he might be pushing for a spot. All of the backs looked great, Clausen looked good, and Grasu looked at home in at Center.

        One thing’s for sure, we’ll be be running the ball this year, and the D will be pressuring people. That’s a great base to start throwing the football from.

        One more season and we’ll have a superbowl roster.

    • haha, yeah, apart from our starters…that’s like saying…”apart from the motor, this car is great!”

    • Trac

      Barb called me Romanian names for pointing this out about Fuller. Outside of Long and Alshon, Emery sucked badly at drafting.

  • On Jeff’s notes…

    1, Yup. Casino Royal, all aces. Been saying this for a while now. He’s the new Bmarsh in his first yr of bromance
    2. LOVED that play. Long pulled. Nice chemistry. Good luck having Long coming at you like a train.
    3. Mills is done (sad tear). Leno time? (or Long at RT? This would have to happen now, ideally)

    D.
    1. My problem with Shea is he ALWAYS seems to make those plays. He always seems to be a finger short of a sack, or hair short of deflecting a pass. Close but no cigar Shea.
    2. Vereen. Just terrible. That was my biggest surprise when they listed him as a starter. Hopefully it’s just a motivational tactic for others.
    3. I’ve been saying it all along. I think Allen will be fine at OLB. It allows him to use his experience and smarts (which we saw on that near INT) while preserving his aging body. My one worry were his footwork in space.
    That worry is all but gone now.

    • EnderWiggin

      The one thing I don’t understand concerning the OLB and DE comparisons. How does standing up preserve the body?
      At DE you are grappling with the OT every play, but at OLB you have to deal with a guard or TE running full speed and ramming you with all his weight.

      • There’s a few differences IMO.

        1. When you’re in a three point stance (as opposed to standing up like man was intended), IMO it’s a bit more taxing on the body. It’s like being in a catcher’s stance as opposed to playing short stop.

        2. Allen at DE frequently went up against the LT (usually the biggest and best Olinemen) and sometimes he went against an LT AND TE chipping. IMO, that’s a lot rougher than shedding an OG (typically smaller and more mobile) who you see coming.

        3. OLB can be moved around. They can stunt and attack any gap. This will make blasting Allen a bit harder.

        I played a lil linemen in pop warner, and the trenches are a grind. When I moved to a diff position, it was like a fresh breath of air.

        Granted, OLB can have it’s physical drawbacks (like getting blind sided, or generally more car wreck type collisions) but as long as a player uses his hands and feet properly, I think it’s overall less wear and tear.

        I think that’s one of the reasons Peppers excelled in GB. He probably had a bit more left in the tank at the end of the season and thru the playoffs.

        I always thought Allen was better suited at OLB than Pepp cuz his body just looks a bit lighter, and he’s really smart with great instincts.

        It’s only one PS game, but if he can cover wheel-routes one-on-one, that projects well for his success at OLB.

  • willbest

    So Bears have a couple joint practices with the Colts next week. And I noticed other teams have been doing that as well. Has that been going on for years in the preseason with myself just being oblivious, or is that a new development?

    Seems a bit odd, with 90 man rosters you would think you have enough bodies to run whatever drills you want.

    • It seems more prevalent now and the last 5 years. I think ever since practices got limited, HCs have decided this maximizes practices. I’m glad the Bears are doing it and vs a prolific offense. Good way to test D.

      Also, teammates get tired of hitting each other. Nice change of pace. Next 2 PS games are away too, so more trial by fire.

      But yeah, I don’t know how far back these joint practices go. Lately some fights have broken out in them, but we’ll see how it goes.

    • BerwynBomber

      You mean scrimmages? Yeah, pros have been conducting them as far back as I can remember.

  • Trac
  • Trac

    Ruh Roh! Landon Collins leaves Giants game with a knee injury.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/14/landon-collins-knee-injury-adds-to-rough-start-for-giants/

    I’m beginning to understand why Jeff doesn’t favor the preseason. It’s a terrible way to lose a player for the year.

    • willbest

      Really should get the season kicked up to 18 games. I like that idea a hell of a lot better than 14 playoff teams.

  • Trac

    Pretty interesting tidbits on how the Bears/Packers rivalry began. It seems the bad blood began after Papa Bear ratted out Lambeau and the Packers for illegally using college players on their team, causing them to be kicked out of the fledgling Nation Football Association before being reinstated after paying a 50 dollar fine.

    http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-sports-heroes-then-now/2013/11/in-the-beginning-the-bears-and-packers-rivalry/

    Yup, the Packers were the very first Cheetah ‘ s in the NFL. He he.

    • willbest

      What is that inflation adjusted?

      • Trac

        Back then you could probably but a starter house for a couple of grand.

  • Joecashflow

    Thoughts on offense. A QB that had the QB whisperer, 5 OC’s in 6 years….and did great yesterday! That would be Joe Flacco. “Flacco stuck around for just one series: a 16-play, 80-yard march in which he completed five of six passes for 33 yards and ran for 17 yards. The drive lasted more than eight minutes and ended with a 1-yard, fourth-down run by Lorenzo Taliaferro.” Of course, his OC is Trestman. That’s what good QB’s do. They shine against the odds. No excuses, no “it takes time to learn new system, eliminate mental mistakes”. No overthrowing WRs by 10 yds because of “mix-up”. No first play Oline penalty, 3 and out. No dump pass in the middle, almost intercepted, on 3rd down. Reality is, it doesnt take time if you are good. All you hopeful Jay fans need to get real. Not good yesterday = long season or new QB.

    • Waffle

      Oh boy

    • Waffle

      Joe, please confirm for me that you are saying what I think you are saying…..because that would be epically bad logic progression.

      • Waffle

        4 dumpoffs into the flats and 33yds bro? Let’s give teams more than 6 passes before we do this shit. Please don’t make us blow our heads off by reading this madness so early this year.

      • Trac

        This has actually nothing to do with Cutty but I do believe Trestman is going to do a good job as a play caller for the Ravens. He just sucked at being a HC.

    • Trac

      Joe, and I mean this with all due respect…go…#$%@…@$% ¥£€!#..
      Just kidding Joe. Lol

      Actually my man, let’s just try to be optimistic at the start of this season shall we? Like Yonny suggests, try not to give him an a nurse before the 1st game.

      Mmmkay…

      • Waffle

        it’s not about being optimistic, it’s about using your brain when you make comments about 6 plays in the 1st preseason game.
        Brady went 1 for 4 the other night but you don’t see them stopping the commission of his Canton bust.

        • Trac

          Tru Dat.

          • Waffle

            it’s a free country and people can say whatever they want i guess but to completely ignore what happened on the Bears in 2013/2014 both good and bad offensively and to then boil down Flacco throwing 4 dumpoffs into the flats for an average of 5.8yds and to then use that as proof positive that he is a true winner is fucking batshit crazy logic….and to also blame Mills going offsides on the 1st play of the game on the QB is lunacy.

          • Trac

            Well, to be fair, I do happen to believe that NASA’s Lunar Landing was a hoax and grand deception so I guess to each his own. Lol

          • Irish Sweetness

            That mankind has been to the moon has been proven on number of levels, Trac – not least of which is that thousands of NASA workers would have to successfully keep a massive secret … the Soviets would have blown the whistle etc etc. Did they burn Chafee, Grissom and White to death to make it seem more real?

            I’ve watched all the documentaries, and although Siebrel’s “A funny thing happened on the way to the moon” is very entertaining, it’s still bullshit.

            For a good conspiracy, there’s JFK. There’s an obvious one. But brave men went to the moon and came back – I believe we do not know the full story as per Neil Armstrong’s comments about “the veils of truth” – but we were there. Twelve men walked on the moon and I have looked at their faces and studied their words since I was a boy. They are not great actors pulling off an impossible task of concealment – at least not on the subject of going to the moon and returning – they are just incredibly brave men who did incredibly brave things.

          • Trac

            Oh yeah that’s right. I forgot about the newly revealed structures on the moon left behind by aliens. He he.

            Don’t grill my vibe man.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Different team. The guys who showed up the other night were relative no-names. Everything I’ve seen from Clausen is reassuring. If Cutty goes off-reservation, Fox can plug him in and the offense will still work … maybe even better.

          • Waffle

            we don’t even know what the offense is yet man.

      • Joecashflow

        Ok, dragging the pom poms out of last year’s closet!

  • Waffle

    mother. fucker.

    Kevin White – surgery

    • BerwynBomber

      Waffle, any link on that?

      • Waffle

        just twits from bears beat reporters. Just had presser at halas hall. Bad luck for that kid. Need to get a vet WR in here now.

        • John Doe

          wasted pick if no contribution from #7 pick.

          Zach Zaidman ‏@ZachZaidman 7m7 minutes ago

          Pace says there’s a possibility White could miss season.

          • Waffle

            Rod will be inserted into Tibia. Holy balls, yes, i would consider that a setback.

          • BerwynBomber

            Wonder if any heads will roll in the scouting department or if this was truly something out of the blue/incurred afterward/other teams had no idea, etc.

          • Waffle

            they said it happened in OTA’s

            The rise of Zach Miller!!!!! Buy your jerseys! …… wait, what number is Zach Miller? 17???

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough

          • Big Mike

            And they just figured out it was a stress fracture? Or they’ve been lying all along, or they were waiting to see how it progressed…

            Man, Thats a bummer. Better draft choices coming. This is still a year to get in position for 2016.

          • Waffle

            said they wanted to see it heal on its own. if thats the case why make him run at all until closer to season……
            maybe it was going to require surgery the whole time and they were just being hopeful

          • Trac

            The team Doctor needs to be fired for trying to save money instead of giving White a cat scan right off the bat. Those idiots had him trying to run on it.

          • Big Mike

            Didn’t think of that.

          • Big Mike

            Speed shot. Wasted pick. SMH

          • Waffle

            MILLER-TIME!

        • Irish Sweetness

          AJ, Royal, Bellamy, that kid Cameron Meredith looks good, Cruz …. Zach Miller, Rosario … any of our backs, Uni ……we’ve got targets galore.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I tend to agree. I’m not too worried about our receiving crew.

            Like JW on here, I wasn’t high on a WR in the first round anyway. Forte makes up for a lot of shortcomings too.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’d be nice to have, but we’ve got guys to fill in until he gets back.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. Biggest concern will be long-term prognosis.

            Regardless, not a good day at Halas or for Pace.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And we were a c#%t hair away from drafting Williams.

            Brandon Sherff ? Would we take Scherff at RT now for White ? Fkn A.

          • Big Mike

            I wanted Scherff over anybody. That guy is the best Tackle coming out of school that I’ve seen in a while

          • Trac

            I was screaming from the rooftops for the Bears to draft that LT the Giants drafted(Ereck Flowers). SMH

          • Waffle

            Irish, i thought that the kid Lawrence looked a lot more NFL ready than Meredith. Didn’t Meredith look slow to you?

          • Irish Sweetness

            All he did was catch balls – bar that one that would have been a first down. There was another dude, 6’3 200 lbs that looked promising – was that Lawrence?
            Nah, Meredith is the 6’3 200lber, just looked it up. I didn’t notice Lawrence.

          • Waffle

            i loved that little fucker Cruz. Total arena league allstar.

          • Big Mike

            None of them were drafted for a reason. It’s a big setback.

    • Big Mike

      7-9

  • Big Mike

    Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell 8m8 minutes ago

    Bears GM Pace on Kevin White: “Is there a chance he misses the season? That’s a possibility.” …he’ll begin regular season on reserve/PUP

  • Big Mike

    On a positive note, the Bears will draft in the top 10 again.

    • Waffle

      haha, will probably take an injured RB with top 10 pick next year.

      • Big Mike

        Plenty of needs to go around. Right now I’d say secondary or T. My opinion has been that our post Cutler QB is Clausen. If you give him a shot, I think he has some good upside. But basically the Bears didn’t have a #1 draft choice this year. If White comes back full speed (which I don’t know the odds on given his injury), next year, it will be liking having 2 number 1 picks in 2016. Most on this board were writing this year off as a building year anyhow, so no big loss, right.

        • BerwynBomber

          White would not made much of a difference between post-season contention or also-ran. We still have weapons. A Pro Bowl TE in Bennett, a would-be Pro Bowl RB in Forte, one of the better #2s in the league in Jeffrey, a solid possession guy in Royal, what could be a decent guy out of the backfield in the Jizz and maybe one of depth guys on the receiving chart who will step up.

          • Big Mike

            Love the attitude! I’m all in.

        • Trac

          I don’t know about that Mike. I mean a WR does rely pretty heavily on his feet. Whites injury make have just turned an elite speed WR into an also ran when he returns. This is not good any way you look at it.

          • Big Mike

            I hear you. Assumption is he comes back 100%. Big assumption. But point remains that this was a rebuilding year anyhow.

      • Trac

        Heck, let’s go all out. QB!!! Hee hee.

        • Waffle

          cool, Mills at RT again? Leno jr? sign me up!

  • Irish Sweetness

    Eddie Royal gets 90 balls, that’s what this means. He’s draftable now. Ha.

    • Waffle

      im going bennett

      • Big Mike

        Bears are making me want to join a Fantasy league..

  • Trac

    Well boys,, I bet Alshon’s agent is looking like the cat that ate the canary.

    • Waffle

      not with a nagging calf injury

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