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Saying Everything I Want to Say About Jay Cutler & Then Going Dark on the Subject

| January 23rd, 2015

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(1) Jay Cutler throws interceptions. He has started 119 games. He has thrown 130 interceptions. If you think having Cutler throw fewer passes is going to result in fewer interceptions, you’re just not paying attention. Cutler, if he plays all 16 games in an NFL season, should be expected to throw between 14-18 interceptions.

(2) Throwing interceptions does not automatically equate to losing. Eli Manning has thrown 185 interceptions in 167 starts. He’s also won two Super Bowls. Joe Flacco has thrown 90 picks in 112 games but raises his game in the postseason. These two quarterbacks are big game hunters. They raise themselves up at the big moment. They are only allowed to play in the big moments because they have complete teams.

(3) When has Jay Cutler ever had a complete team? Honestly ask yourself that question without any bias. When has he had a better than average defense, offensive line and skill guys? Not great. Just better than average. The teams Jay Cutler has played on have required him to carry them and he’s not that guy. I wonder if Pace and Fox will recognize that and do in 2015 what the Cowboys did in 2014: take the pressure off their mistake-prone quarterback.

(4) What turning the ball over DOES mean is sustained postseason success is unlikely. Eli has had a couple brilliant postseason runs. He’s barely gotten to the postseason otherwise.

(5) People say Jay Cutler is not a winning player. Well, factually, he is. 61-58 as a starter (44-38 as Bear). He has also only had one season where he’s been more than a single game below .500. (The Bears just completed that season.) You know who isn’t a winning player? Matthew Stafford. Is he being run out of Detroit for being 7 games below .500?

(6) Over his last three seasons with Lovie Smith as head coach and the combination of Martz/Tice at offensive coordinator, Jay Cutler was 27-13 as a starter. Interesting that when the team played solid defense he was not drawing “not a winning player” label.

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(7) Jay Cutler is never going to be a rah rah leadership type. Remember when he used to shout at offensive coordinators (like Tom Brady) and shove offensive linemen (like Phil Rivers) and get angry when receivers ran the wrong routes (like Peyton Manning) and get lambasted by the national media for it? Well, he stopped. Now you get Jay Cutler, the father. Watch a Ravens or Giants game and find me the moments Eli and Flacco display these emotions Bears fans want from Cutler. You can watch every snap of their careers. You won’t find any.  Their emotions never change. This is not to say a quarterback shouldn’t be be a rah rah type. This is to say you don’t necessarily need this attribute to win.

(8) Jay Cutler is never going to be Aaron Rodgers. You know why? Aaron Rodgers is better than him. Aaron Rodgers is better than all the other quarterbacks. Most of them are not penalized by being in his division or being the quarterback of his longest rival. Go read the Detroit Free-Press and find all those articles about Stafford failing to beat Rodgers. He never does and you won’t find one.

(9) Jay Cutler should no longer be a Bears priority. The Bears should operate like they have a veteran quarterback capable of winning games while scouring coming drafts and NFL rosters for a young quarterback to take the reigns. John Fox turned the Panthers around with Rodney Peete at quarterback and went to a Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme. Even the most ardent Cutler hater wouldn’t argue he is not better than both of those players.

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(10) If the Bears receive a decent trade offer for Cutler, they should take it. Odds of them being contenders in the next two seasons are not very good.

(11) Jay Cutler played his best two seasons as a Bear under Mike Martz and was not able to finish the 2011 campaign because Martz refused to protect him. If he was responsible for Martz’ firing than Lovie Smith was the most weak-minded head coach in the history of the league. (If Cutler doesn’t get hurt, Martz never gets fired. Mid-season he was being talked about as getting back into the head coaching pool.)

(12) Mike Tice was fired WITH Lovie Smith off a ten-win season. So, again, what is this coach killer reputation? It doesn’t make any sense. First coach I believe Cutler had an active role in killing is now the offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens. And that kill might be considered landmark in five years.

(13) Jay Cutler is never going to win over the Chicago Bears fans. If he led the 2015 Bears to an 11-5 record and threw two interceptions in a playoff loss, fans would be screaming for his head once again. I saw first hand in December just how irrationally angry Cutler makes the citizens of Chicago. A hurdle too high.

(14) I’m rooting for Jay Cutler. I’m hoping the Bears keep him and he thrives under Fox and Gase. I don’t expect it by any means but I like him as a person. Jay is who he is. And too often we applaud athletes for spewing that “one game at a time” shit that makes media members salivate over Russell Wilson. Cutler reminds me of McMahon. He doesn’t give a damn what you think of him. League needs more personalities like his.

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(15) Jay Cutler is the best quarterback in Chicago Bears history. I know that’s like being the tallest of the Danny DeVito lookalikes but it is a fact. And Bears fans seem to share a delusional belief that if a player doesn’t execute at a championship level every week he doesn’t belong on the hallowed Bears – an organization with two Super Bowl appearances total. Just look around the league at the number of organizations struggling to compete due to a lack of production at the QB position. When Cutler leaves, so does more than 3,000 yards a season and more than 20 touchdowns a year. Not a single quarterback in the league who threw for more than 3,000 yards AND more than 20 touchdowns this year has shaky job security next season. Except one. Jay Cutler.

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Jay Cutler’s flaws are so visible on the field. It baffles me why individuals need to create reasons to dislike him. Cutler is not a great quarterback but he’s also received way too much blame for the struggles of the 2014 Chicago Bears – the worst coached NFL team since the 1991 and 1992 New York Giants. (If you don’t know about Ray Handley, use Google. And there’s some weird, juicy stuff in that search if you’re persistent.)

Cutler is what he is. But unfortunately that is now how many depict him.

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  • Peanut FTW

    1st

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    The Bears should try hard trading Cutler and do it when the satisfying offer arrives.
    There’s without question a market for him…he’s an average QB with average salary.

    The minimal offer ? A 3rd round pick, which would have been the maximum compensatory pick received if he would have left in FA 1 year ago.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    (14) I’m rooting for Jay Cutler.

    ME TOO!

    Bear Down.

  • Trac

    Jeffy, Jeff, Jeff. Where to begin? You have offered up a plethora of curious comments.

    Cutler is not a winner. Let me repeat, Jay Cutler is not a winner! You play to win the game! Yes there are QB’s that are less desirable than him but that’s not going to get us anywhere. Jay Cutler has worn out his welcome. Just like Lovie did, and just like Emery did. Cutty badger gotta go!

    • MichiganBearFan

      I want a QB that can take a helmet to the chest by a full speed LB and get up and play the rest of the game.

      • Trac

        Either you are hurt after a hit like that or you’re not. He obviously didn’t get hurt during that play and even though hits like that make the game interesting, I don’t equate that hit to Cutler as having what is takes to win championships.

        • BillW

          Harder to put this in words than I thought. Cutler is not a leader in certain ways that you might want or expect your QB to be. But his toughness is a silent leadership quality. I give him that. I give him his admirable “don’t care” attitude – especially given that strong emotions might play against his illness.

          But his horrible decision making that he displays at times – which is not compensated enough by big plays – is his downfall.

          Why is Stafford not looked at the way Cutler is? Who knows or cares. And I don’t care what people do or don’t think of other team’s QBs. I don’t care what Packer fans think of Cutler either – their star QB screwed up the NFC championship in my opinion by not audibling out of runs.

          I’d be happy with Cutler if I thought he was trying to be the best he could be. If he acknowledged his poor decision making and acknowledged how it hurts the team and how he needs to improve that part. THAT’S the “don’t care” part that makes Bear fans like me against him.

          • SC Dave

            You win the race (to my eyes anyway) to be the first “scoreon” winner, and the first multi-winner.

            Then you make an excellent post with thoughtful and insightful stuff like this.

            I’m not sure I’ll ever quite get you, Bill. But that’s okay. I’ve had enough smh coming my way.

      • AlbertInTucson

        He’s done that. As recently as THIS season. If you haven’t seen it, you haven’t been paying close enough attention.

        • BillW

          That was his point. In effect saying “I want Cutler because he can take a helmet…”

          • Irish Sweetness

            The attitude, inaccuracy, carelessness with a football, no leadership .. .that’s all cool … but I want my man to take a spear over all of that ….

          • AlbertInTucson

            In that case, I misinterpreted his post.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I want a Lombardi. Mac lacerated a kidney and kept playing. See Cutty trying that? He’s gone with a sprain. A fkn sprain.

    • Bender McLugh

      worn out his welcome for YOU. Not for all.

      • Trac

        Chicago would wake up with a smile if he were to be traded but yes, I have seen enough to make a judgement on him.

        • BillW

          I agree. Jeff himself said the Bears should trade him if the compensation was right. I assume a third maybe? But why trade him unless you think the team is better off moving on from him. There’s a bit of a disconnect there I think.

  • MichiganBearFan

    Amen to all of this. Me, I want this coaching staff and Cutler, Forte, Marshall, Jeffery, and Bennett. The pieces are just too good to leave up to the fate of picks.

  • BillW

    Stafford’s never beaten Rodgers? Was one of them not playing in their game early this year?

    • like Cutler, Stafford is 1-a lot against Rodgers.

      • BillW

        That’s what I thought. Jeff said he never beat Rodgers.

        Dt won last year one other time but I think that’s when Rodgers was out

        • probably “never beat him” as in “never won the division over him,” which Cutler actually has done once.

        • willbest

          2013 Shea knocked Rodgers out, and Lions got to play a Rodgerless Packers on Thanksgiving. It snapped their 9 or 10 game Tday losing streak.

          • SC Dave

            Maybe we could trade Shea for S…. oh, never mind

  • BillW

    Jeff left out one very important point.

    Cutler comes across as a jerk to many people. Fair or not, he does. It’s tough to cheer for a jerk. It’s easy to want to see them fail.

    Unless of course the team as a whole is great. Then they cheered – like Dennis Rodman or Jim McMahon. Not comparing Cutler to either, or Rodman to the Punky QB. Just saying winning cures all. Rodman woudl never had been tolerated on a losing Bulls team. Same with Jimmy Mac.

    Sports fans aren’t fair. And Cutty don’t care.

    (alright, it’s not quite Burma Shave material…)

    • willbest

      The jerk just has to win Aaron Rodgers is a certifiable a-hole.

  • Doc Hamstring

    So here’s a question for the “Culter-haters”:

    Let’s say Cutler sticks in 2015, and have his best season as a pro. 4000 yards, 30 TDs, 15 INTs, only a couple fumbles. And the Bears do at least 8-8 as a result.

    Would you still want him gone by 2016?

    • BillW

      No.

      • Doc Hamstring

        OK, so in your case it’s a “if he improves his performance on the field to the levels we expect out of a franchise (paid) QB, he stays.” Did I summarize that right?

        • BillW

          will answer soon; in a meeting now

        • BillW

          OK – I may be walking into a trap but here goes:
          Yes, if he improves his on the field performance to around the numbers you present, then I’d want him beyond 2015.

          BTW – if Chicken Dinner starts playing like a number 1 draft choice, I want him to stay too.

          I don’t expect either to happen.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yes.

      A. 8-8 is a nail in his coffin when his whole CV is 8-8.
      B. We need extra picks, he would still be worth something to somebody with those numbers.
      C. I think we’ve all evaluated him as being ‘not very special’. Seen enough after nine years.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    That’s the thing with Cutler he makes it so confusing on whether to blame him or the coaches. It’s all about production and producing points. We didn’t average a lot of points last year and some of his stats came off garbage time in garbage games.

    • Johnnywad

      Every single quarterback in the league plays in “garbage time” every season. Its generally when records are broken.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    People have to act like Cutler banged their mom, the hate is out of control.

    Let’s see what a real coaching staff can do with this team and in the draft. Take a deep breath…geez.

  • DopeJillawilla

    I think 2014 Dallas is the perfect model we should follow nxt yr…

  • This is such a great article. Kudos, Jeff.

    • BillW

      I have trouble with one section (not the greatest Bears QB in that I assume he meant “since Luckman”):

      1. Greatest Chicago QB
      2. Rooting for Cutler
      3. Trade him if you can (???)

      • Peanut FTW

        On 3.
        I think this is somewhat true even in good situations with a veteran. Look at Gonzalez in KC, gave them a good career, then they get a 2nd round pick for him when he only has a few years left. And thats a pro bowler with something left in the tank. The teams that make the turn arounds don’t marry themselves to any player, unless its Tom Brady or Rodgers.

        • BillW

          My point – IF you think he’s the greatest Chicago QB (I don’t but Jeff thinks so) and you are rooting for him, why do you want the Bears to trade him?

          Makes no sense. IF that’s the case, keep him – that’s what he was signed for and the deal keeps getting cheaper.

  • Only one complaint: Cutler is NOT the best QB in Bears history. That would be Sid Luckman.

    I know, times have changed. But Luckman was arguably the best QB of his era. And still holds several franchise records 60 years after retiring, which is just insane when you consider how the game and that position have changed.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Are you another guy who didn’t see Jim McMahon play football Woodsy ? I know you didn’t see Luckman play, but how can you say Cutler is better than McMahon? It just screams ignorance, like Jeff’s comment. He never saw him play either. You cannot pull stats on me. Mac was in a different league to Jay Cutler.

      Different. Class.

      • McMahon was mostly before my time (born in 87). I’d probably put him over Cutler too, based on videos I’ve seen. But Luckman is the only Chicago QB in the HOF, ergo he’s the best QB in franchise history to me.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I can’t comment on Sid in fairness. But Mac > Cutty in any way I can think is useful.

  • Bender McLugh

    off topic………friend of mine who’s a Dallas fan showed me this, I’m sure you’ll all appreciate it.

    • Bender McLugh

      “can ah burrow sum monay?”

      • Bears-4-Ever

        So that’s what happened to Chessy…

    • Big Mike

      Looks faked. But I still liked it. 🙂

      • Bender McLugh

        good call, he’s a comedian and it’s fake, still funny

  • huntinbare

    The biggest problem with JC…
    He has not made the right plays at the right time.
    Now, you have to admit that JC seems to have all the necessary physical attributes to play his position; but the success that he has achieved has been pedestrian compared to the perceived talent. He has not risen to a level of winning when it matters; and it even seems to be self inflicted wounds that happen at the most crucial times, during these “big” games; that make his story more of a tragedy. He is a bit of an enigma.
    My hope is that we are there when he does experience that time where it all lines up for him and he makes winning decisions and plays. But one will never know if that is in his future. We can wait and hope; and that is what fans are good at. Or we can search for the next big “QB” of the franchise and begin to wait and hope some more.
    I find it exhausting dissecting JC. My critique of him remains the same …play with intuition as your guide, stop over thinking.

    • BillW

      “I find it exhausting dissecting JC. ”

      I also this year gave up defending him.

      • was he dissected? i thought he was buried?

      • huntinbare

        He is the QB and will always get my support; but he at this point I won’t weep for him if he is traded. I had a friend tell me, ” Cutler is a loser, always has been and always will be. He will never get a super bowl trophy.” That was after the “injury gate game” and I was defending him. Those words haunt me after this season; maybe he qas right. He was from Tenn. and learned to hate him from his college days.

        • BillW

          I defended him strongly after that game and still do – pointing to the fact that RG III had a similar injury, stayed in (to avoid Twitter comments from other NFL players?) and hurt himself and the team.

          • John Doe

            He is tough SOB. All fans who have closely followed Bears know that.

            Jake Cutler might be tough but he is still loser QB. He will give you 2 or 3 games here and there to raise your hopes but he always reverts back to loserdom because that is where he truly belongs.

            As Boomer Esiason said (I think it was him), you pretty much know everything about a player after 5 years. And Cutler is going into his 10th.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t think any of us were too harsh on him after the NFC game – we know he didn’t pull himself out. It’s not that. It’s everything before and after. The jury is in.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Oh there were plenty of people pissed of at the time, myself included. And a smaller percentage still complaining after the details of the injury were revealed.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The effect of Twitter on the NFL. There’s an article for somebody.

    • willbest

      You know a couple years ago he was called Mr. 4th Quarter because had some ridiculous passer rating in the 4th quarter and it resulted in a fair number of come back wins.

      • huntinbare

        That is what makes him so confounding. He has done amazing things and that is factual; from a single sick throw, to a complete game of 4 qtr. mastery….but in the games that would get him over the “hump of criticism” he somehow seems to bring his gas can and dry firewood, just to add to the blaze. Maybe he will remain that guy, who just could not deliver when it matters. Life is full of those athletes…somebody has to play that role….why us?

        • SC Dave

          “Why us?” indeed. Have we not suffered long enough?

          • huntinbare

            Apparently not…the why of it….. long before the sperm and egg hooked up, the script was written and now we play our part in this passing act of the epic Bear tragedy. What light from yonder Halas Hall doth break?….Could it be the glow off the Lombardi Trophy?

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Saying Everything I Want to Say About Jay Cutler & Then Going Dark on the Subject”

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  • ch0rn

    If he isn’t as good as Aaron Rodgers, then why is he paid like Aaron Rodgers ? And it would be one thing to blame the talent of the team this year if the offense lit it up. Are you going to argue now that the Bears offensive talent is weak ? Stafford and Cutler both suck.

    • Johnnywad

      Yeah. That fucker. He should have totally told Phil…..”You know what Phil, I’m not as good as Aaron, you should really offer me less money and I’ll sign it.”.

      His contract is what the market would bear given the facts following the 2013 season. He could have signed elsewhere and landed a deal in the same neighborhood. Do you think they just pull these numbers out their ass?

      His contract is a moot point. It is what it is. The only only thing that matters is what’s next.

    • John Doe

      Let’s see:

      Cutler cannot audilble out of plays. He has been a disaster when he has been asked to do that. Cutler apologists say he is best when he is simply asked to run plays and not think.

      Cutler is poor at reading defenses. Jim Miller gave several examples last year when Cutler failed basic QB101. Opposing DCs gave him one look pre-snap and confused the hell out of him

      Cutler makes terrible decisions at most inopportune time. Cutler has not learnt a thing about ball securing in 9 seasons. He carries the ball like loaf of bread dangling one hand..ready for sack strip scoop and return.

      And yet his $127 million contract is justified.

      Because if the market is stupid to pay him then Bears should be stupid too pay him that much.

      Ah and one more reason.. Do you want to go back to Craig Krenzel era? No, then paying Jake Cutler $127 million is the only option.

      • willbest

        In fairness, Year 6 & 7 were never meant to be paid. It was basically a 5 year deal with reasonable pay in years 2-5, and a bonus in year 1.

    • willbest

      Aaron Rodgers makes 22 mil a year, Cutler makes 18. And 18 mil is the going rate for better than average QB

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      It’s called market value. Ben Rothlisberger gets 11 Million/year. Lot less than Andy Dalton

      How does that make any sense ?

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    I’m glad we’re putting this topic to bed for a while. But I take issue with part of #9 and all of #15

    #9: John Fox turned the Panthers around with Rodney Peete at quarterback and went to a Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme. Even the most ardent Cutler hater wouldn’t argue he is not better than both of those players.

    Jay Cutler might be a better passer than those two quarterbacks, but being a QB is about so much more than that. Being a QB is about being a leader of men. It is about being the most prepared person on the field so you can get your players in the right position. it is about having that something that makes your teamates want to fight for you, to run through walls for you. Jay Cutler does not have that. And I’d argue those other two did to at least a degree or two more than Cutty.

    #15: Jay Cutler is the best quarterback in Chicago Bears history.

    Sorry, no. That title belongs to Jim McMahon. He was a leader of men. And he had a cannon arm. And he made guys fight for him. He was brash but he backed it up. Cutler is aloof and underachieves. I’d even wager that McMahon had just as good an arm as him. Plus, he did lead us to a Lombardi, so there’s that. I know, he had a great team around him. That’s why I listed that last. He had a short career due to one of the dirtiest plays I’ve ever seen on the football field. Dirtier than Charles Barkley’s Angola Elbow. If he had stayed healthy, we wouldn’t be having this debate now.

    I like your other points though. He is what he is and for now, he’s the best we’ve got. So I too hope he succeeds. But my delusions of grandeur for this dude are long gone.

    Happy Friday.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I was writing mine as you were writing yours Doc. Somebody who actually saw him play. Yessir.

      That actually would have bee a fine piece without #15 Jeff ….. because it’s just so wrong.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        I was channeling my inner Thai-rish on that one.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      Addendum:

      We never got to see how truly great McMahon could be. He was handcuffed by a ball control coach with a stubborn streak and the greatest RB of all time. One of his best plays got him chewed out by Da Coach. If he had been allowed to throw it a bit more, along with having legit WR’s, he would have been so much more.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Exactly. He’s better judged on 44 NCAA records or whatever it was. Plus the Holiday bowl miracle. He put up video game numbers every time he played. He was basically hired to hand the ball off to Walter.

        He said when he was at GB his arm felt better than ever. We had a shot at a dynasty if it wasn’t for the McCaskeys. That was our time.

        • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

          The NCAA records don’t mean anything to me. By that logic Tebow was one of the greatest ever. I hear ya, but I have to stop you there.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Just pointing out to the youngsters that he could air that thing out, Ditka did indeed handcuff him like you said.

      • CanadaBear

        Having Walter Payton on your team handcuffed him? Really?

        • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

          I just mean that with Walter, you know they were going to pound the rock. No time for an air-show.

          • CanadaBear

            True enough but the flip side of that is McMahon was dealing with 8 in the box almost all the time. Certainly a big advantage in the passing game.

          • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

            fair.

      • AlbertInTucson

        McMahon changed the plays whenever it suited him.

        • AlbertInTucson

          INCLUDING times just to piss Ditka off.

        • Irish Sweetness

          To the correct play – something Jake is incapable of it would seem.

      • SC Dave

        Handcuffed by the greatest running back of all time? Sorry, but that’s just silly.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “Jay Cutler is the best quarterback in Chicago Bears history.”

    WHOAAAAA NELLY !!!

    NO HE’S NOT !! NO WAY SCOOB ! LIKE, NO WAY !!

    How many games did you watch him play Jefe ? Tell the truth ! You said you were two years old in 1985.

    Well I watched him play and he was not what his stats say he was. He was a winner. He was born to win. He won at everything he did in life and he was one of the gutsiest QBs I’ve ever seen and probably the gutsiest. He played football at a time when QBs weren’t treated like white elephants. If you think Cutler is tough it’s because you haven’t seen tough, they don’t do tough anymore.

    1. Winning percentage. The only stat that matters. McMahon was better than most QBs in NFL history. Cutty has a 52% win rate for the Bears. McMahon’s was 69% !! Call it 70 rounded up and let’s round up Cutty’s to 54%.And don’t mention defense – they mailed it in as often as they were great.

    2. Division championships – 5 for Mac, 1 for Cutty. Superbowl Rings 2-0. Mac.

    3. Ditka called him the smartest player he ever coached, Steve Young said he learned the game of football sitting on the bench behind him at BYU. Who has EVER praised Cutler? Certainly not two HOFers.

    4. The eyeball test. Mac never knew when he was beaten. No player since has come back from the deficits he came back from when the defense was calling it in, multiple times. Can you imagine Cutty coming back from 3 or 4 TDs down? Nope, he’d be on the sideline head down knowing he was beaten and not caring. Mac always felt he was in i until the final whistle.

    5. Sid Luckman was a winner. Doug Flutie was a winner – just not here. The man has won NOTHING in his entire life except the 124 million dollar lottery from Phil Emery.

    Don’t bring up offensive-lines because Cutty makes dumb throws even when he has six seconds to throw it. Cutty couldn’t read a defense to save his life … when Mac excelled at it. Can Cutty throw the ball harder and further? Give him a medal for what that’s worth.

    Saying Cutler is better than Mac is a Score-on remark, Jeff. It’s just not true. And if you turn around and say you’ve watched all jimmy’s old games then it just makes it worse.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      Preach.

    • BillW

      The Minnesota game. Three TDs in 5 passes coming off the bench. Literally getting goosebumps remembering watching that happen.

      That’s a winner and a leader.

      That is NOT nor ever will be Jay Cutler.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I have a videotape somewhere of KC and Tampa games in ’87 where it was like 4 TDs down at halftime.

    • WP4Life

      I like #4, 5. I saw mac play here…82-88?

      in 85′ i recall coming off bench to vikes in dome. i think steve fuller won 3/4 in a row that year…Dallas…

      maybe cutty doesn’t give a shit…thus the scorn…

    • BearDown100393

      Who has praised Jay Cutler?
      Answer – Brandon Marshall who prognosticated a MVP season for #6. Of course Mr. Marshall has also been quoted praising the virtues of “Man Grower”

  • RenoBear

    I hope this means an incentive -laden one year deal… https://twitter.com/peanuttillman/status/558670334723780608

    • willbest

      Yeah, hopefully its $1 mil + $1mil in active roster bonuses.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        here, here.

        I would without any doubt re-sign Tillman. Even if only to use him in a shut down TEs role.

        • Irish Sweetness

          SAFE-TY! SAFE-TY!

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            A Charles Woodson type of S.

    • I’m guessing it’s something to do with his charity, or that he’s retiring and has accepted a local media gig like Mannelly.

    • BillW

      This is exciting news.

    • and it was some cheesy setup for a corporate shell with some hotel

      • RenoBear

        I saw that… SMH. So lame. Pissed that I fell for it too…

    • SC Dave

      Reading all the sycophant-like responses to Tillman’s tweet, I start to understand why people use Twatter. It’s all about attention and ego.

      • RenoBear

        Umm pretty depressing if someone gets there self-worth from an athlete or ‘famous’ person. I follow Bears beat writers for breaking news. Reading some of the responses though, I can see where you’re coming from. It is kinda weird

  • CanadaBear

    Sid Luckman won the big one 4 times.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      Sorry, Canada. Anything that happened in your youth doesn’t count to the modern fan. Fair or not. Not saying I disagree, just sayin’….

      • CanadaBear

        He was before my time Doc. The quote was greatest QB in Bears history. I’m sorry almost none of us ever saw him play but history is kinda like that.

        • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

          I’m just ribbin’ ya brother.

          • CanadaBear

            I know that. I’m still kinda, sorta with it even at my advanced age.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        booooom

  • willbest

    Cutler is the best QB in terms of stats. But then other QBs played in eras where you were allowed to mug the receivers, and other assorted rules. The medical science, pain management were far less superior to now, etc.

  • John Doe

    The average QB Rating in 2014 was higher than Dan Marino’s career QB Rating.

    Does that mean that average QB in 2014 is a better QB than Dan Marino?

    Hell No.

    And that is the context you need about the “great” Cutler stats of 2014.

    • SC Dave

      Bingo! I’ve been discounting QB stats for years.

  • BearDown100393

    Jay Cutler does not care about this defensive infomercial. He does not care about supportive comments. And he certainly does not care about negative ones. Either way, Jay Cutler does not care. Finally, Jay Cutler does not care about anyone else who does care one way or the other. Maybe he is better than Sid Luckman or McMahon. Maybe he is not. Regardless, Jay Cutler does not care. When Jay Cutler does care about something, he probably won’t care to share its identity. Don’t care is the mantra. Like it, don’t like it, makes no difference to Jay Cutler.

    • FresnoCA_BearFan88

      +1

  • FresnoCA_BearFan88

    I would like to know how much of those yards and touchdowns actually came during the game or in garbage time?

    • BearDown100393

      “Closing Time”, “Garbage Time”, Jay & Weird Al = MTV Award

      • FresnoCA_BearFan88

        I saw Jay Cutler at his best last season in garbage time when the game meant nothing anymore.

        • BearDown100393

          Jay Cutler does not care about garbage time.

          • FresnoCA_BearFan88

            haha

  • John Doe

    Pace should make a play for Mike Glennon, the 2013 3rd round pick.

    Will Sutton will be the odd man in Vic Fangio’s defense. Sutton was 2014 3rd round pick.

    Lovie likes pass-rushing DTs. I say a straight up Sutton for Glennon trade.

    Glennon is coachable and yet has starting experience (and 2 years in the NFL) and will be better than any QB in the draft.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I would not trade Will Sutton. Use what you get for Cutler to trade for Mike Glennon.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yeah, Glennon could take the snaps for us. He’s okay. Prefer Fitzy though, but Glennon has some upside. Don’t you think we could get a 1st though?

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          For Cutler ? In theory you could, but in reality not. The Bills don’t have one, the Titans have a top pick, so on. Maybe a 1st round pick in 2016.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Maybe Lovie would take Cutty for Glennon straight up ?

  • FresnoCA_BearFan88

    As far as his “Toughness” what makes him so tough? cause he can take a hit under pressure? Does this really define toughness? What about his mental and emotional toughness? Can he lead a Team from his heart? Can he inspire guys to win the game?

    • FresnoCA_BearFan88

      Just don’t say the guy is tough because he can take a sack. Jay Cutler is damaged goods as far as I can see and he wont lead us anywhere near the promise land.

    • WP4Life

      10-4

    • BearDown100393

      In all seriousness (and hopefully fairness), I’m inclined to let Coach Fox and GM Pace decide who stays or goes. IMHO (which means zero like everyone else not named Fox/Pace) I’d like to see a tear down and rebuild without either him or Marshall. There are so many holes on this team that need to be plugged with younger players. And by that time players such as #6 and #15 are going to look long in the tooth anyway. Although painful (for some), losing a player a year early is preferable over a year late. Disclaimer: Jay Cutler does not care what I think.

    • SC Dave

      I touched on this earlier, but not so eloquently.

  • CanadaBear

    I think Jeff is all about page hits with this one.

    • willbest

      Yeah I don’t know why he put this out now. He should have put it out after he started advertising for his charity

    • BearDown100393

      A post describing frame by frame of Cavallari’s performance in Van Wilder would yield far more hits.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      no doubt.

  • Irish Sweetness

    I logged in to tell everyone to watch a doc called ‘CitizenFour’, and walk smack-bang into Mac-gate.

    Towards the end of the documentary (filming the journalists who went to meet Snowden in a Hong Kong hotel room to break the story) … somebody points out at a UNHCR hearing that in the technology age, the freedom of speech now means privacy.

    Freedom of speech ended in the USA the week after 9/11. At that time, William Binney was the ONLY expert on Metadata in the NSA. He was told to spy on everyone in America. Not anyone who might be involved with terrorist organizations. Everybody. So he resigned.

    Every single piece of data sent across the world’s cables is archived and data mined to a center in Utah. The front-end is called X-Keyscore, where you can access any piece of information that’s ever bben ttched to anyone via usernames, handles, phone numbers, phone calls, bank details, absolutely EVERYTHING about you digitally or on voice recording. It’s all there. A ‘story’ is pieced together for people. Who you know. Who they know. What you do. What you know. Where you go. Where you are. What you buy. And governments all around the world are collaborating.

    At the European Parliament, in September 2013, there was a meeting in Brussels to discuss the NSA surveillance and data collection of the entire planet. The founder of LavaBit spoke( an encrypted email provider used by Snowden) was approached by the FBI to turnover the SSL keys to them in order to make all communications transparent to them. He said this :

    “What good is the right to free speech if it’s not protected?”

    9/18/01. When the freedom of speech died in America.

    • BearDown100393

      Freedom of speech was always an ideal never realized.

    • Trac

      Ah. Now I understand why you live in Thailand Irish. People don’t want to know this because the ramifications are too shocking.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Oh they’re collecting all my stuff for sure. There would be a special car to meet me at O’Hare, and I don’t mean one with a ramp.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      9/11 is a very interesting case study from many points of view.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I think you’re being naive if you think it wasn’t dead before then.

      • BillW

        Freedom of speech is/was relative. The classic “fire in a crowded theater” is a court approved exception, but there are many gray areas that move along with both popular opinion over safety issues, and the oft conflicting government opinion of citizen control in the name of safety.

        Speaking only for me of course, I think the US is still the best country for me and my family.

        • There’s a HUGE difference now between freedom of speech vs security debate of our forefathers.

          Now, the government actually has the tools to record nearly everything. It’s Big Brother realized.

          And it’s the same argument. If you got nothing to hide, why are you against surveillance?

          Back then, it was just hypothetical. Science fiction. Now, it’s reality.

          • BillW

            I often tell my kids the 1984 scenario came true, except citizens do it to themselves willingly checking in on Facebook and leaving their GPS locators on.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Everytime your mobile phone passes a cell tower it’s logged into your file. Last known location.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Because they can create scenarios to frame you for something if you speak up too much. You won’t have anything to hide but they’ll get you anyway. This is not done ‘to catch terrorists’, it’s to keep you down. They don’t want to look after you, they obviously let the events of that day transpire so they could go ahead with all of this stuff. The facts are all there, but only the ‘truthers’ choose to acknowledge them. The most pressing of them is the Pentagon’ damaged wing was cleared out for ‘renovations’ well in advance. Problem was they didn’t seize the tape of a cruise missile slamming into the side of the building. That people can watch that and still think it was an aeroplane beggars belief.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Here’s proof though. The desert island isn’t far off.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Sid Luckman shits all over Jay Cutler. It’s not close. Look at the adjusted numbers (statistics that are computed relative to other quarterbacks for that year). Luckman was a top quarterback every year he played. Jay Cutlers adjusted statistics are all around 100 (100 is league average). I think Luckman also still holds the record for career YPA?

    • TheBigCheesy

      Luckman also has 5 All-pros and an NFL MVP. And 4 championships. How is this even a discussion?

      • BillW

        HE’S BACK!

        Good to see you, Cheesy. Many of us were beginning to worry.

        • Bender McLugh

          no we weren’t

          • Thisguy_justsaid

            +1

        • TheBigCheesy

          If i could leave this blog, I probably already would have

          • BillW

            That’s something you and I actually have in common.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            We’re all waiting for your take on what happened last Sunday, Cheesedick.

          • TheBigCheesy

            I feel like it’s pretty clear what happened. The pack squandered an amazing opportunity. Not much ambiguity to it. Not much shame either if you ask me; just pain and regret.

          • WP4Life

            with this u sound like a Bears fan! there is usually some shame though

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Our favorite Troll returns. No worries Cheesy…Just repeat after me…”It can’t get any worse from this point forward.”

          • TheBigCheesy

            losing to the bears in the nfccg would be ten times worse.

          • R-E-L-A-X.

          • BillW

            With respect, I disagree. There is shame in that one of the best QBs to ever play the game simply stood by and ran the plays his coach told him to run, like a rookie QB, knowing full well that was not the way to take control and lead his team to the SB.

            Rodgers took a HUGE hit in my opinion of him and many others.

            Too scared to go after a one armed DB. That was there for the world to see.

          • there’s shame. and if there’s not, you’re not really a packers fan.

      • it’s not.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s not really, it is a likely much-regretted #15 entry on a list that otherwise spot-on.

        I never saw Luckman but that sheet is pretty impressive and I won’t argue. Thing is, if a game was played now and you had Mac and Sid on the sideline, who do you start?

        I always said it – Joe Montana is my starter, but Jimmy’s on the bench.

        • SC Dave

          Luckman definitely the best Bear.

          Joe Montana? A good choice, but I have to go with Otto Graham.

          http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrahOt00.htm

          Note the number of lines in his career playoff stats is the same as the overall; i.e. his team was in the playoffs all 10 years he played. And in seven of those seasons, there is a 0 in the Loss column for the playoffs. Granted, the first four were in the AAFC, but Graham led an *expansion team* to six straight NFL Championship games, winning half.

          Career NFL record of 57-13-1 (.810). Without the benefit of a Jerry Rice (in case anyone is wondering, Jim Brown came to Cleveland in 1957. Graham retired after the 1956 season). Granted Paul Brown was a great coach, but Montana’s successor at SF (Steve Young) has a better career winning percentage with the 49ers than Montana did. Not saying that Young was better (he wasn’t IMO), just pointing out how good the SF organization was in those days.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    “So the NFL is going to let this deflation story linger through the Super Bowl. Do they not know that next week is sort of a big media deal?”

    Not saying they ever will but, do you think the NFL wants to find/reveal anything damning enough to call for say, Brady’s suspension?

    Not bloody likely, mate.

  • I was going to give a point-by-point rebuttal to the “State of Jay Cutler” address, but what’s the point? Many have already over years, and it’s the same argument. Before last year, I thought like Jeff – Cutler is in the Eli/Flacco/Romo tier.

    HE’s NOT. Eli and Flacco have proven they are clutch. Romo is way more efficient, just chokes from time to time.

    If you take the worst attributes of the 3, that’s Cutler. He’s the left-overs. Kinda like the Danny Devito in “Twins”.

    But, we’re stuck.

    We’re in loveless marriage, or in a dead-end job.

    It could be worse. We could be single and desperate with 3 divorces. We could be jobless on the streets.

    So, we’re appreciative that it COULD be worse, but then we return home to an apathetic wife, or wake up to a thankless job, and something in us YEARNS. We begin glancing at other women a little longer, keep a close ear on other job openings, or begin wandering on walks, daydreaming,

    And the second a better option becomes available, we should SEIZE it.

    It might be a gamble. It might crash and burn. But anything’s better than the Groundhog’s Day existence we’re living under Cutler.

    It’s uninspiring. It’s ‘meh’. It’s self-defeating.

    And that’s no way to go through life.

    • Romo is in a higher tier (with Ben, Rivers, Ryan types). Flacco and Eli are not, they just had well-timed hot streaks.

      • Would you take Flacco or Eli over Cutler?

        • Bears-4-Ever

          Yes, based on the history so far. But I’d like to see what happens this year to be absolutely sure.

          • That was my stand. Then 2014 happened, and I’m off the Cutty-wagon for good.

          • CanadaBear

            The pick to the fat guy ended any hopes I had for Cutler. Don’t hate him, OK if he stays unless a better option happens but have no hope of beating good teams with him at the helm.

          • Yes, that play ominously foreshadowed not only the 2014 season, but Cutler’s entire career. That game might epitomize Cutler in a nut-shell (or the Panther’s game).

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Well I’m hanging off the edge ready to leap. Is it going to get back on the path or go over the cliff?

        • I think he’s better than those guys, but not significantly enough that I put him in a higher tier. his career numbers are virtually identical to cutler’s with about 3500 pass attempts for both. It’s just that Flacco has the postseason pedigree that Cutler doesn’t.

          • To be clear, you think Cutler is BETTER than Eli or Flacco?

            Please define “better”

          • no, I was saying Flacco is better than Eli or Cutler. Thought that was what you were asking. But they’re all pretty similar (throw Stafford in there too).

        • willbest

          Flacco over Eli/Cutler. Between Eli/Cutler flip a coin.

    • BillW

      Summed up my feelings exactly. Even Jeff, for all his support, says we should trade him.

    • Scott W.

      Whichever side you fall on on the Cutler line, you can’t argue that we really have put him through hell since we brought him here. I think his potential fell off (never to return) after the Martz fiasco. He was on track to be better, IMO, as time went on and the team was made better in all phases.

      After Martz, I don’t think Cutler was ever the same QB. We can argue that Rodgers was sacked a lot too, yadda yadda, but everyone is going to react differently to those things. They aren’t robots, nor are they clone-able.

      Canada referenced the NYG game, when Jay was absolutely hammered over and over and over again. He was a piñata, and the Giants just tore him apart. Personally, I thought Webb should have been taken to an alley and had the shit beat out of him after that game in ways that would change his career plans, but that was just me.

      If a trade becomes viable and valuable, then yeah, okay, let’s go. That said, I no longer believe we should be beating down doors trying to do that. I’m fine if he stays another 2 seasons, and I think the Bears will be fine too if he does. I would love to see him thrive, and I know you and everyone else on here would too. You’re just arguing that he won’t or can’t, and you may be right. I hope you’re wrong.

      Let’s see what Fox & Co. can do before we surrender completely.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Webb dragged out to an alley, I love it. I don’t think I ever saw a QB get worked over like that, but I didn’t watch a lot of Detroit games in the Eighties.

        • Scott W.

          It was humiliating. Every D he faced that year was the ’85 Bears.
          Webb, that useless, globulous smirking shit, often looked like a stuffed doll.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hear hear!

  • CanadaBear

    Now for something completely different. If anyone has ever wondered what it’s like to crash a bicycle at 40 mph check out this crash from the Tour Down Under (Australia) yesterday.

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/01/news/road/video-pov-footage-tour-crash_359095

    • Bears-4-Ever

      “That’s gotta hurt Bob.”

      It’s amazing the rider with the camera was not caught up in that.

      • CanadaBear

        Those guys are amazing bike handlers. Right at the end of the clip the guy sliding by on the far left must have ended up with a ton of road rash.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “That’s gonna leave a mark.”

  • Ososfan

    I’d hate the idea of shuffling OL guys (especially when we have a two time pro bowler in Long as a G.) But Barb got me thinking. Maybe long gets moved to Lt slausen at LG (New center) Mills at RG and Bushrod at Rt. Seems like a decent enough line especially on the right side with two huge dudes anchoring that side. If this need OL coach is as good as they say, hey, it might work?
    Jay needs Oline help still let’s get cracking!

    • I would try out Long at RT first. That’s the usual protocol, but more so for Long.
      Long is a mauler, and typically the RT is a road-grader, more than a dancing bear.
      the LT tends to be the reverse of that. Naturally, the greats are both.

      But I would first want to see how Long handles speed rushers, and how his feet are on the edges.
      Also, the RT usually doesn’t play the marquee pass rusher, so it’s more like a trial-run.

      If Long handles it, then move him to LT.

      • Ososfan

        Man, Bushrod couldn’t handleuch of anyone later on in the season and even in the earlier season he was struggling so that is why I’d propose long for LT.

        • Bushrod has had a relative long record of being good (not great) at LT though, including going back to protecting Brees’ blind side.

          I think we give him another year, and if he continues to struggle, then maybe make the switch, but to switch a RG to LT is pretty radical, esp one like Long who hasn’t even played football all that long.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What I want to know is – even needing a pass-rusher DE/OLB – can we afford to pass on the top OT in the draft (whoever you decide that to be)?

    • willbest

      Yeah we are far more likely to end up with two average players doing that then we are two above average players.

      • Ososfan

        It’s just speculating. But I agree will, wouldn’t want to change that dynamic at all.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I said that in a draft sense. Rather than draft an OT that high I’d move Long at RT and find a G. I think Leno and Mills are in play also. Maybe at G, maybe at T.

      They did a lot of these moves in Denver, so they seem opened minded.

      • Ososfan

        Oh man forgot about Leno and the dude from Canada who played decent.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          There’s human material there.

          Make them maul somebody from time to time… that alone would gain 5 places in the ranking.

  • John Doe

    Terrance Knighton says harder to fumble underinflated football.

    Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing Jan 21

    RT @MrKnighton2u: If footballs were deflated by that amount, definitely cheating. Harder to fumble, easier to catch. Helps you throw further

    Stats prove it. Patriots have been cheating for a long time.


    The New England Patriots Prevention of Fumbles is Nearly Impossible

    I actually went back and researched 5 year periods for the entire NFL over the last 25 years. The Patriots ratio of 187 plays to 1 fumble is the BEST of ANY team in the NFL for ANY 5 year span of time over the last 25 years. Not was it just the best, it wasn’t close:

    2010-2014 Patriots: 187 plays/fumble

    2009-2013 Patriots: 156 plays/fumble

    2006-2010 Colts: 156 plays/fumble

    2005-2009 Colts: 153 plays/fumble

    2007-2011 Patriots: 149 plays/fumble

    2008-2012 Patriots: 148 plays/fumble

    2010-2014 Texans: 140 plays/fumble

    2004-2008 Colts: 139 plays/fumble

    2006-2010 Jets: 135 plays/fumble

    1999-2003 Chiefs: 134 plays/fumble

    There are a few key takeaways. First and foremost, the 187 plays/fumble dwarfs even the rest of the best seasons the last 25 years. Second, the Patriots have been at the top of the NFL since 2007.

    Ironically, as my study yesterday showed, the Patriots performance in wet weather home games mysteriously turned ridiculous starting in 2007. In 2006, they went 0-2. From 2007 onward, they went 14-1.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/?p=2932

    • Ososfan

      Hmm… Wow.. crazy.

      • AlbertInTucson

        No wonder Ripley gets benched when he coughs it up.

    • BillW

      I just want to go on record that I’ve gone almost a full day without posting on this subject. (Unless you count this one.) I want to but once I get going I can’t stop.

      Don Shula was right.

      • WP4Life

        What Shula say…

        I watched football life on him yesterday, intergerity, tough, driven. 2 losing seasons out if 33, Truely impressive.

        • BillW

          Shula recently called him Bellicheat. “Don Shula was right” is now the slogan for those believing – as I do – that this was intentional, and likely has been for many years.

          • WP4Life

            Thanks. I agree. In Shula in documenary as Irish highlighted, czonka found Raiders game plan against dolphins, and when it got to Shula, he ordered it be tossed out. Integerity. Can u image billacheat doing that..No. What current coaches would….I am not a Lovie fan…but he at least he had principles.

          • CanadaBear

            It’s easier to have principles when you have a great team. Not saying Shula would have cheated.

          • WP4Life

            i dont know about that….the patriots r not a good team…

            I dont have an axe to grind. I like the pats – I like belliceck but dont trust belliceck I like the fish, seems like Shula did alot of things right. he took over the fish when they were 3-10 or 5- 8

          • CanadaBear

            Both great coaches. I don’t really like either one of them but respect their results.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Dolphins lost the game. That’s the point. They didn’t beat them regardless. He could have won the game and he didn’t.

          • John Doe

            Don’t Patriots have some ridiculous home record?

            Now we know why and how.

            It all makes sense.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Motherfucker lost a 1st round in 197something draft for tampering.

          • WP4Life

            the Dolphins did for recruiting Shula to them from the Colts,because Joe the Dolphins owner contacted the Colts owners brother when he was in Europe to get permission to talk to Don Shula

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Cheaters… Joe and Shula.

          • WP4Life

            lets see facts, evidence talk is cheap bro

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            evidence ? they were stripped a 1st round pick for tampering.

            what else do you need ?

          • WP4Life

            Team(s) doing things to cheat in the field of play and an owner stealing a coach from another team are not the same animal.

            what else do u need to understand?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            LOLs.

            THEY FUCKING GOT STRIPPED A 1ST ROUND PICK.

            Somebody though it was a big deal.

            You’re cherry picking the rules you can and can not break.

          • WP4Life

            DUDE – DO PEOPLE LISTEN BETTER TO YOU IN CAPS?

            After the 1969 season, Joe Robbie, owner of the Miami Dolphins, signed Shula to a contract to become Miami’s second head coach. As a result of Shula’s signing the team was charged with tampering by the NFL, which forced the Dolphins to give their first round pick to the Colts.[42] The decision was controversial because Shula and Robbie’s negotiations and signing were conducted before and after the official NFL/AFL merger, respectively. Had the negotiations been concluded before the merger, while the NFL and AFL were rivals, the NFL’s anti-tampering rules could not have been applied.

            THIS ABOVE AND SPYING ON A TEAM, OR DEFEATING BALLS PURPOSELY (IF TRUE) ARE NOT CLOSE TO BEING THE SAME.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I don’t know about no technicalities. Lets use bottom line and look at the punishment. I mean if the Patriots are cheaters because they were punished, because they were caught lets use the same standard.

            If we don’t and want to cherry pick… there’s this

            Bill Cowher on ‘spygate’

            “We didn’t lose the game because of any Spygate, because of them having any additional things,” Cowher said. “I think if they’re guilty of anything, they’re guilty of arrogance, because they were told not to do something. But it was something that everybody does. The only thing they got caught [was] doing it with a camera. We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone’s signals was a part of the game, and everybody attempted to do that.”

            See ? If everybody cheats…nobody cheats. You can’t be a cheater in a game which has ‘the number 1 rule, there are no rules’.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I love it Barb, you’d make a great lawyer for Mayor Quimby.

            We go from Shula was a cheat because he was tampering …… to …… the Dolphins were schmoozing up Shula to come to the Dolphins.

            Defense: “I don’t know about no technicalities your honor…now let’s look at Bill Cowher over here.”

            The court finds in favor of Don Shula. Case dismissed.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Why does Shula call Belichick a cheater ? Because he was caught and punished for spying.

            I have an elite type of head Coach saying ‘everybody spied or tried to’.

            So if you base you judgment on one being caught and punished, without analyzing the context…use that as a standard way.

            I don’t know what happened in 1970 and about the rules at the time. I sure as shit don’t trust Shula’s official bio version where he’s the victim.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You’re playing up the punishment to overshadow the crime. Shula wasn’t tampering in any case, he was the one being courted. It’s ridiculous anyway since the Cots were pissed he ‘lost’ the superbowl. In no way was Shula a cheat.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            If the Colts found out the Dolphins and Shula have agreed on a contract after the fact, both the Dolphins and the Shula were guilty of dirty tactics.

            Which I don’t mind personally. I just don’t buy the immaculate image.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Clearly – on the basis of the Raiders’ gameplan alone – Shula wasn’t a cheater, Barb. There’s proof positive. Integrity > winning, in his eyes. He was the opposite of Belichick.

            A human resources issue and directly trying to gain unfair advantage in winning games are worlds apart.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I know very little about him. He might be squeaky clean, but I so much doubt it. If you work for 0+ years in that sport you’re bound to have lots of benes in your closet.
            What makes me dislike him is the fact he called another grown man a cheater for using gamesmanship type of tactics. You become a loser in my eyes, instantly.

    • BillW

      Psst – look up their performance against the spread in bad weather games. I read it’s 80%!

    • WP4Life

      Got ahead of myself…good info. Thanks.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The Patriots are awesome.

      In the last 13 years they have played in 6 Super Bowls and 3 AFC Championship games.

      That’s 9 of 13 seasons.

      • And now we know why. Turnover ratio is the #1 variable in wins/losses.
        When you radically give yourself an unfair advantage in that department, it correlates to wins.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Based on what ? @MrKnighton2u opinion ? That childish. it’s friday night out drunk bar science.

          You want to know why they win the turnover battle ? Because who fumbles doesn’t play.

          Think about it. It’s such an obvious and logical explanation it’s almost hard to believe.

          Who fumbles the ball ? The RB and the QB. The QB is elite and knows what a fuck he’s doing on every play and they use RB by committee (they dress 4 HB every game, had 5 against the Colts).

          If one fumbles he doesn’t get another snap the whole game. That or be late at practice. You do that, you’re gone.

          PS: Against the Ravens 2 weeks ago they fumbled the ball 2 times. Ravens none.

          PS2: Research the stats of their D turnovers. They’ll be in the top tier on that side also. It’s what they do. They play sound football on every uynit with extreme punishments for those who fuck up.

          • It’s really not that hard to understand.
            1. Deflating a ball REDUCES fumbles.
            2. The Patriots are guilty of deflating fumbles
            Ergo. The Pats fumble less.

            1. Less fumbles = less turnovers
            2. Less turnovers = more wins
            Ergo. The Patriots have (unfairly) won more games because they have turned it over less.

            What part of that don’t you understand?

          • Scott W.

            I hadn’t thought once about the fumble issue in regards to deflated footballs. Helluva “catch” there, and it’s a damned salient point.

          • John Doe

            And nobody denies that Pats have had good talent all these years.

            But there is also no denying that they have helped themselves through cheating.

            Spygate, deflating balls are the two things that have come to light.

            I am pretty sure they do some other things that no one has ever thought of.

            Belichick and Brady want to win at all cost and are ready to go over the line doing it.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Superbowl winners the last 10 years: the Colts sucked for Luck, Seattle use PEDs, New Orleans had bounty system, the Ravens stashed the Rice tape.

            The problem for me is the rationale that there are ethical teams in the NFL.
            There isn’t such a thing. The League itself is based on cheating and so is the sport.

            The sport of american football cheats the rules of what a human can and can not do. Humans can’t play this game, their body isn’t build for that.

            Fans cheat because they create this romantic and bogus story about why the like the sport with all kinds of useless shit inside it. Truth is..they don’t give a fuck about the players and their sanity. They want the violence. They want to see somebody leveled and they don’t care how players end up in that particular moment.

            It’s that moment on NFL Red zone when the dude says: ‘we’re going to step out of here because there’s a player injury…lets go to New York where Beckam is at it again….’

            That ‘player’ just broke his leg in 3 places. He’ll get applauded while they get him out of the field and after 1 minute nobody gives a fuck about him. next day you’re ‘he’s on IR, ok, who’s next?’

          • CanadaBear

            People always make fun of pro bike racing because of all the doping. If every sport had the same testing as European pro bike racing, people would find out that’s the norm. There is a new sports doc show on HBO and one of their short promo clips has a retired athlete (not sure who it is) saying he would have drank gasoline if he thought it would have make him run faster

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I was a huge fan of pro cycling years ago.

            The french knew Armstrong was doping years before it got out in he States. L’Equipe gained access to his blood sample and tested it. Found the good shit. They were attacked in US media and labeled as haters, and Armstrong had hero status.

            The cycling scene got sick somewhere around that time. The French murdered doping at a national level. Everybody else was using like crazy.

            My point is… nobody wants to know, because nobody gives a shit. Except some enclaves that really,re ally fight against it. The US is in the ‘nobody’ category. It starts with the fans.

          • CanadaBear

            I knew Armstrong was on the sauce when he came back from Cancer. The doping went crazy around 1990. All of a sudden one Spring the Italians and Belgians showed up in the Classics and are sweeping the podiums. All the racers just said they were undertrained and then everyone got on the dope.

            My issue with Armstrong has never been the dope. My issue is Armstrong is a despicable person.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I was rooting against him at the beginning because he was american, you know. I only started disliking him when news got out from France about his blood. And even then I disliked him as an ‘social and sports actor’.

            I don’t know if he’s a despicable person. He’s not a peach, that’s for sure, but despicable… I have no opinion on that. I just don’t ‘know’.

          • CanadaBear

            A real bully to the point of trying to destroy other peoples live (Greg Lemond). + a bunch of other people.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I agree, but never figured out if it was what he had become or who he was. When you start going down a certain path, shit tend to take it’s own life.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Coincidentally when Ireland had two cycling superstars, Stephen Roche and Sean Kelly. Hmmm.

          • CanadaBear

            Really like both of them, esp Kelly. I’m sure those guys were doing whatever they could to gain an advantage. Esp Roche when he had his miracle year in ’87. He won the Giro d’Italia, the Tour de France and the World Championship road race. The last person to win the trifecta. Once EPO showed up in the early ’90’s, things went completely nuts. It was like baseball in the 90’s, everyone knew they were doping, nobody cared and the racing was fantastic. In baseball everyone loved all the HR’s.

          • CanadaBear

            Hey Barb, scroll down a bit and check out the P.O.V. clip from the Tour Down Under yesterday. I posted it a couple hours ago.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Hell no. I saw the post, but I’m in no mood seeing somebody get wasted at this particular moment.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Comedian Tommy Tiernan has the solution to drugs in sports. Let Galway host the drug olympics. Athletes represent pharmaceutical companies, not countries. If somebody wants to run the hundred metres in half a second .. let them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Agreed. Whereas other greats would have looked for human or play-related angles to win games, Belichick has been exploring ‘other venues’.

            Great coach and all of that, but he’s been playing with a loaded deck.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well… says who ?

            who says deflating the ball reduces fumbles ?

            and who found them guilty for deflating football ? and how do you know other teams don’t do it also ? because if everybody does it there’s no advantage.

            What I don’t understand is how come you end up linking some deflated balls in one game in 2015 to turnovers in 2007 ?

            the only way you could say that is by someone finding out they’ve been doing it from 2007 and nobody else does it. Leaving aside the link between soft balls and fumbles which is bar science.

            PS: Again…the Patriots fumbled 2 times 13 days ago against the Ravens. The Ravens didn’t. You’re saying the Patriots balls were ‘legal’ that night ? But if they were legal 2 weeks ago, maybe they were ‘legal’ in 2007.

          • Who says deflating footballs reduces fumbles? Well, a few half-backs have already come out and said it, but anyone who has ever played football knows it.

            It’s common sense. Just pick up a basketball and try to grip it when it’s fully inflated and when it’s not and tell me which is easier.

            Who found them guilty of deflating the ball? Well, the NFL (will).
            11/12 balls were deflated beyond accidental parameters (like temperature, etc). TWO teams thus far have already brought the issue up (Colts and Ravens).

            You honestly believe that the Pats just happened to tell their ballboys to deflate footballs for ONE game? Really?

            Saying “everyone does it” doesn’t make the Pats LESS guilty. That’s fallacious. I don’t see why you can’t understand that. If EVERYONE owns a slave, it doesn’t make it right. Do you understand that, or do you just exempt the Pats?

            The Bears have won games where they’ve turned it over 4 times – that doesn’t mean squat.

            There’s always exceptions, but over time, the CHANCES of winning games by improving the turnover ration bears out. This is almost a statistical fact. You think Lovie was going around preaching turnovers for fun?

            You think Bill (and Coughlin and many other HCs) bench fumblers just for the fuck of it?

            The Pats ARE CHEATERS, and that throws their entire “dynasty” into question.

            This might pain you, but reality doesn’t go away because you wish it to.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            1. a few half-backs have already come out… those are personal opinions and not enough to assume the role of proven fact. Rodgers likes hard footballs.

            2. the ravens complained ? the patriots fumbled 2 times that game. There goes the fumbles angle.

            3. this is a discution about the link between soft balls and fumbling. So the “everyone does it” has nothing to do with the Pats (LESS) guilt.

            If everybody does it that means everybody fumbles less (assuming your correlation is true)

            PS: Of course the Patriots are cheaters. That’s common knowledge. My point of view isn’t to negate that. My point of view is that: so are the Bears !!! Your Chicago Bears are cheaters. And so are all the other teams.

            You see bad guys and good guys. I see bad guys all around. So Belichick is the baddest of them all. Pfffff….okayyy…

            Stop being silly and naive. This isn’t a put you to sleep fairy tale… this is violence and blood.

          • “a few half-backs have already come out… those are personal opinions” – ugh, no it’s not, it’s almost physics.
            Deflated balls are easier to grip. You deny this?
            And it is YOUR personal opinion that every team cheats, so far only the Pats have been investigated TWICE. I’m sure it’s coincidental.

            I know this much. I doubt the Bears deflated balls since their equipment guy was chosen to check the balls in the SB.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            almost physics… ahahhaah.

            Look… it makes sense in theory. Of course it does. I don’t know how much…though. I think it’s highly debatable. It shouldn’t be much different.

            In my mind Dome teams have huge advantage in regard to the RB fumbling. Less slipping, no moisture. I think that counts more than a ball 10% softer.

            For me a ball 10% softer helps the QB get a better grip. If that’s what he likes. Rodgers likes it blown up. I don’t know. I don’t care. I really don’t give a fuck about how much air is in the football.

            Nobody does, nobody did, nobody will.

            the actual football guys don’t give a shit. If hey would have they wouldn’t have let the cousin of Belichick’s baby mama sister -some 15 years old ball boy- be in charge of the footballs.

            PS: The Bears almost overdosed their players with addictive drugs. Your/our idols.

            “Hall of Fame defensive end Richard Dent, quarterback Jim McMahon and offensive lineman Keith Van Horne were the Bears named in the painkillers lawsuit, which was filed Tuesday in U.S. District Court in San Francisco.

            McMahon in particular alleges he suffered a broken neck and broken ankle but was given painkillers to play through the injuries, which he says team doctors never told him about. McMahon also alleges he became addicted to painkillers, at one point taking more than 100 Percocet per month, even during the off-season.

            Van Horne, in his statement, talks about not learning for five years that he played a whole season on a broken leg. McMahon, who is part of the concussion suit as well, alleges that the Bears’ staff did not tell him that he had a broken neck or other injuries. He, too, details how he came to overindulge in painkillers to deal with pain.”

            So you see my point… I couldn’t give a shit about the soft, psy, football crap, when I have knowledge about teams fucking the bodies and mind of their players.

            I mean…set your priorities straight. For fuck’s sake… they abused human beings, but they put air in the football so they aight !!!

          • Irish Sweetness

            You have to admit there is now a clear and incontrovertible culture of cheating in New England, Barb. That casts a cloud over any and all of their admittedly impressive – achievements in that span. There have been no such claims about the Dolphins teams of Shula, the Chuck Noll Steelers teams, or Bill Walsh’s Niners..

            With Bill and Brady, asterisks abound.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Oh sure… I know/admit that.

            My problem is with those that don’t admit that the whole NFL is based on a culture of cheating.

            There’s aren’t good guys and bad guys. They’re all bad. You have to in that sport.

      • Scott W.

        I don’t care.

        • Johnnywad

          Neither do I.

        • Johnnywad

          Scott you mentioned you were a woodworker. I am as well. I’m curious if you have a central dust collection system or not. I’m building a new shop in the spring and I’m thinking about investing in one.

          • Scott W.

            I thought about it, weighed the cost and logistics. If I was building new with the luxury of designing from ground up? Yeah, I would. It’s taken me a few years to set my shop up for max dust control under the circumstances, so a central system, with all the dust going to an outside collector? If you can, do it.

          • Scott W.

            Cool to find out there’s another wood butcher on the blog. How’s it going? You have a specialty?

          • Johnnywad

            I don’t. I’m a builder by trade. Along the way I’ve done quite a few custom bars, mantles, cabinetry, etc. I moved last summer and my new home has no woodshop. So I’m building a new one this spring. I’m thinking about a central dust system and a small spray booth. I haven’t really settled on how intense to get about the dust.

          • Scott W.

            Okay. Cool. Here’s what I did, after years of trying to dope it out, and it works good for me in my one-man shop…

            I got a JDS dust collector, canister on top, bag on the bottom, with a dual port 4″ connection. One hose runs to my fully enclosed router table, where a 2.5″ hose also jumps off the 4″ up to the table, while the 4″ collects the dust from under the router.

            The other 4″ hose goes to my table saw, but I have a squeeze clamp where I can put it on my planer when needed. I can only use one thing at a time, you know?

            I also have a couple of shop vacs (okay, I have four, two large, two small), and I use the small one with adapters to hook to my track saw, my orbit sander, and other hand helds that have dust collection ports.

            I also have a Jet air filtration system that hangs from the ceiling in the center of the shop, and I vacuum the filter on that monthly, but run it mostly all day, with the speed depending on what I am doing.

            The lathe and my miter saw are dust throwers, so I just built (out of aluminum coil) some basic catchers for that, but no way to get it all. No way, period, even with a central system.

            If you aren’t a high production, multi-employee shop, I’d not waste the time and energy on a central system. They look neater, yeah. But you can get the same results with what I use for a LOT less money and time.

          • Johnnywad

            I’ve kind of been leaning that way. I made my own air filtration box similar to the Jet you’ve got which I brought from my old shop. Jet makes a system like the one you’ve described which I’m considering. I was thinking of running a main line down the wall above the bench with a handful of wyes with blast gates on them. Maybe just a handful of flex lines to hook to various tools as needed. I also built a small (36″ x 48″) sanding table I place in saw horses. Its basically a shallow box with a 2″ vac port on the bottom. I drilled 3/4″ holes in a 4″ grid across it. I set my workpiece on bench cookies and sand away. With the shop vac connected to the table and the air filtration running, the air stays pretty clean. I hinged the top of the sanding table so I can open it up and empty it out on occasion. The negative pressure right at the work surface really keeps the dust down.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah, I thought about setting up the dust collection that way, but I didn’t want anything coming off the ceiling, and the way my shop is laid out, that was the only way to pull that off. My wood storage runs along one wall, ending at the dust collector. Managing the hoses was the stumbling block for a central, for me. I do like the JDS, and the canister vs. the cloth bag makes all the difference in the world.

            I thought about making a “sandbox” like the one you made, but all the pieces I work up are so odd shaped and sized, that just hooking the orbital and palm sander to the small shop vac was way easier on me. It does the trick, it’s just a little awkward sometimes having the hose dragging behind. But I’ve thought about making one of those a hundred times. I’ve heard they work really well. You may have talked me into it. I could use it for the boxes I make, at the very least. I could even do a full 4″ dust port for it.

            I enclosed an open stand with cabinets and drawers for router accessory and bit storage, and that thing has gotten me more cabinet work than I ever wanted. People see it and think I’m a great cabinet maker, which is hilarious. If they only knew…

            I’m pretty much a furniture maker, if I had to pick a category, but, like you, I wind up doing a little of everything to keep the lights on. I’ve got some pics of my shop I can show you if you want, but where would I post them? Is that a Flickr or instagram thing? I don’t have those, but I do have a few web sites. If we can figure it out, I’d really like to see some of your work.

          • Johnnywad

            I’ve never posted anything before. I’ll have to ask one of my kids how you do that. If you’re making furniture, your stuff is probably a little more sophisticated than mine.

          • Scott W.

            Heh. The kids…I ask mine all the time for help with this tech world.
            And my furniture? It just takes longer. It’s often as frustrating as evaluating Cutler.
            I’ll setup a yahoo email account and give it to you, so we can swap advice if you want. Your sandbox, for instance…would a 4″ port be too much? Like to see your design, because I’ve seriously been trying to talk myself into building one.
            I’ll get a yahoo or gmail address setup, and post it here in this conversation. When you contact me, just put wood butchering 101 in the subj. line, or something equally mocking. Heh.

          • Scott W.

            Ok. Hit me up here…
            Bearswood58@gmail.com

            I’ll send you a few pics when I hear from you.

          • Johnnywad

            Will do. I gotta round up some pics tomorrow

      • Ososfan

        Why are you a BEARS fan?

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          hmmm… personal choice.

    • CanadaBear

      One thing you have to factor in is Bellichick will bury a RB on the bench if he fumbles. That’s a lot of incentive to hold onto the rock.

      • John Doe

        that still does not explain it all.

        And frankly Belichick sounded more like Bill “I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky” Clinton yesterday.

        Who walked away from yesterdays Belichick and Brady press conferences thinking these guys are completely honest.

        • CanadaBear

          I agree it doesn’t explain all of it. Of course those 2 are lying and guilty as hell. I didn’t think that was even in doubt.

        • Irish Sweetness

          “Sexual relations”, not “sex”.

          I guess sticking your cigar up her twat is technically sex.

          • CanadaBear

            That and getting BJ’s while working in the Oval Office. Gotta admire a multi-tasker.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        He dressed 4 RBs and a FB Sunday.

        He’ll never have less than 3, usually goes with 4.

        You fumble or arrive late = you’re a liability and soon gone.

        • CanadaBear

          The Pollyanna side of me hates Bellichick. The practical side of me still hates him but admires his results.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Don’t. It all psy. Air.

            PS: Do you watch hokey ? Play some ? I’ve got the bug in me and can’t satisfy it.

          • CanadaBear

            I watch it some. Awesome game. If you ever get a chance to see an NHL game live pay for the best seats you can get. No sport can compare when you get up close. They are shockingly fast and really brutal. I’m not saying other sports aren’t great up close but the difference between seats up close to the glass (up around the 6th row so you can see over the benches) and the next level is like night and day. The nosebleeds are all about the energy because everyone is about 1 cm high and you can’t see the puck.

            I played pick up games as a kid but none of us were any good. I grew up in Iowa and hockey wasn’t a big deal there.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Mann… there isn’t any rick in this joint. And no usable ponds. And the weather is moderate.
            I never skated in my life. But it’s always in my mind, maybe because I watch so much NHL.

            I had to look up Iowa. Fields and rivers.

          • CanadaBear

            Grew up in a city on the Mississippi River.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That has to be awesome.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ever thought about leaving Romania, Barb ? Can I ask what your job is? You could go anywhere in the EU. There’s lots of Romanians in Ireland – though I wouldn’t suggest you go there. It’s home, and you love it, and you don’t want to live anywhere else, right?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Sure I though about it and will do it at some point. I do a cubicle type of job, data entry. no future there.
            I hate it here.

          • Irish Sweetness

            C-Bear dresses up as Pollyanna. NTTAWWT.

        • Irish Sweetness

          By the bye – what do you see in your crystal ball versus the Hawks, Barb?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            It’s 50-50. It can go in different ways. blowout by any team, draw, close game, shootout.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Go see where they rank in terms of drops as well. That should give even further credence to what Knighton is saying.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Boom! Nice work my ursine friend. It’s like Bear Football Focus on here.

      Asterisks all over the shop. Joe Cool safely entrenched as GOAT.

      • SC Dave

        Except for Otto Graham, that is.

  • Scott W.

    Well, I think you summarized all of that very well, Mr. Hughes. We really don’t have the worst QB in football, and he’s not a coward by anyone’s definition. I have said for a few years that I thought we brought him here to kill him, which goes to several of Jeff’s points, especially inre the Martz and Tice eras.

    I know I asked a few columns back for feedback on Jay, and whether everyone thought he was a good or bad QB. I stated then I thought he was above the middle of the pack, but not by a lot. After looking at Jeff’s stats, and framing him in the context of Eli and Flacco, with the lack of O-line, defense, and consistency in other areas, I’m moving him into single digits in my rankings. Somewhere around 8th in the NFL. I no longer give a rats ass about his attitude, lack thereof, etc.

    So here’s to keeping Jay in a Bears uni for 2015/2016. Not just because there are no other options, either. I think Fox & Co. will bring a whole new deck of “playing” cards to the table, and look for Jay to have the most relaxed season of his Chicago tenure.

    And yes, of course I am all for bringing in a youngin’ to start the grooming process. That takes a while, and I now have no problem at all with Jay being with us for the next 2 seasons.

    I’m sure Jay will be relieved to hear that.

    • 8th!? as in, 8th best and not 8th worst?
      1. Rodgers 2. Peyton 3. Roethlisberger 4. Brees 5. Brady 6. Luck. 7. Flacco 8. Rivers 9. Ryan 10. Eli.11. Romo

      Cutler is 12th AT BEST.

      Then a bunch of QBs who many would rank over Cutler.

      12 Wilson. 13. Cam,

      14.Alex Smith 15. Tannehill 16. Stafford 17. 18. Bradford (when healthy) 19.Palmer 20. Dalton

      At THIS moment, I would say Cutler’s somewhere in that 14-20 range. You can make a valid case that Cutler is better than those guys. You can also make a case that those guys are better than Cutler, and Cutler is the 21st best QB in the league at this moment.

      And that’s not even including the up-and-comers like Carr, Bortles and Bridgewater, the cross-roads QBs like Kap, or the high-end backups like Sanchez, Foles (?)

      So realistically a Bears fan could , a Bears fan could prefer 26 other QBs over Cutler.

      The more optimistic bunch might put him around 16, but no higher.

      • Also, this “rankings” are not set in stone, just a general idea, but the tiers are about right.

        • Trac

          Just the facts maing….Actually, if Bears fans think he’s 14th, he’s prolly closer to 20th. I have him at 26th because that’s where this team finished.

          • Cutty’s rank lies somewhere between 16-25 IMO.

            But that’s just his current RANK and not how many other QBs Bears fans would prefer over Cutler.

            If the Raiders offered Carr, or the Vikes Bridgewater, or Jags Bortles for Cutler straight up right now, many Bears fans would take it.
            If the Patriots offered Garrapolo, or the Gmen Nassib, many would take that too.

            So even though Cutler may RANK as the 16th best QB in the NFL at this given moment. a Bears fan could prefer up to 27 other QBs not named Cutler.

          • Big Mike

            Top 10

          • Just curious, who would be your top 10 then?
            I’m assuming that you think Cutler is better than Cam or Wilson in you book ?

          • Big Mike

            I was joking to get a response. Based on history and last year 15-20. But unlike the other guys in that range, I think he has top 10 potential.

          • Trac

            Potential? The most over rated word in football.

          • Big Mike

            That’s an ironic statement. I guess I’m a hopeless optimist and think he still has an upside and can overcome his demons.

          • Ha. Never know. The poll revealed over 50% were still CuttyBadgers.

          • Big Mike

            I think the Bears should keep him next year, unless someone makes a ridiculous offer. I don’t know if that makes me a CuttyBadger.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What’s his rank in to years time – that’s really the question. We’re not in a position to win anything before then.

      • Scott W.

        We disagree on several of those. I think Cutler is better than Rivers and Ryan. I think he has a better arm than Romo.

        Alex Smith? No.
        Stafford? HELL NO.
        Cam Newton? No.
        Tannehill? No.

        But we aren’t as far apart as it looks on electric paper. I just am going to hold on, and believe that maybe, just maybe, he can pull up and out of where he is, which Emery, Lovie, Martz, Tice, and Angelo had a lot to do with. And NO, I am not excusing Cutler from his own failures and putting it all on the coaches or lack of good players/squads around him. But I think it has to weigh in heavier than I’ve given it credit for in the past, hence my bump to 8th. And that’s 8th best, not worst.

        • So hypothetically, you would prefer Cutler over Rivers, Ryan, Wilson, Cam, Tanenhill, Palmer, Carr, Bortles and Bridgewater?

          • Scott W.

            Right now, at this moment, with the new coaching staff? Yes to everyone on that list except Wilson, I would. But, did I read your first list incorrectly above? Maybe I misunderstood you.

            So to simplify it for my own single-neuron brain, here are the only QB’s I would take OVER Cutler, in order:
            –Rodgers
            –Luck
            –Dalton
            –Wilson
            –Carr
            –Flacco
            –Bridgewater

            I left off Manning and Brady because of their age, ridiculous as some may find that to be. Also, leaving Brady off will make Barb roll his eyes, so there was that advantage too.

            Most on my list, except Flacco and Rodgers, are young enough to be on the long ride to the top of their career trajectory, which bumped them above other, sexier picks.

          • Yeah, I addressed two separate issues, which might conflate

            1. Where Cutler ranks currently
            2. How many other QBs would Bears fans prefer.

            To sum up, I would rank Cutler in the #14-20 range.

            However, how many other QBs would I prefer personally? Well, that list is short too for various reasons. I wouldn’t want 25 other QBs over Cutler though, like the more anti-cutlers.

          • Scott W.

            You do make a compelling argument. I’m not radical about my position here with Cutler, I just want to take one more season-long look at him where he has coaches that aren’t insane or incompetent. Coaches that can actually build a damned team, instead of trying to impress themselves. I think we have that now, for the first time in too many seasons.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            After Bridgewater? ??

        • Irish Sweetness

          A brief look at passing stats :

          QBR we’re 16th in the league this season.
          TDs – tied 9th with Eli, 5 more INTs than Eli.
          Yardage – 15th.
          % comp – 10th
          Average YPP – 29th !!! Hence Matty’s huge reception haul ….
          1st downs – 15th

          Mid-table city, and IMO the dump-offs to Forte are Cutty losing his bottle.

          Did it help us making Matt a record-breaker? 29th in the league on passing yards per play.

          • Trac

            I’m of the camp that there are the elite and then there are the rest. Winners are hard to come by.

          • Scott W.

            Hey man. Howzit?
            I’m really hanging 80% of the blame on all phases of failure this year on Marc Trestman.
            It’s fucking bizarre to me that that brands me a dreaded Cutler Defender.
            The games spoke for themselves. We sucked.
            Everywhere, we sucked.
            It is NOT a matter of Cutler Good vs. Cutler Bad.
            We sucked because our coach, Phil Emery’s crowning achievement, was a total failure.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Interesting. No love for Wilson, Butch? I’d swap out Eli for Cutty, and have Wilson top 5. But yeah, 12th/13th/14th depending on what day it is. As you say, some guys are below him now but have upside. Either way, we don’t need to pay that kind of coin for 5 wins.

        Defense, I know, I get it. But until that defense is solid then we don’t need him. A Fitzpatrick or Orton or Glennon suffices while we build the Lombardi roster. Fitzy is crying out for a good team/receivers and I really want that magnificent beard under center.

        Short and curlies. Matty won’t be here/ retiring age when we make our run. Cash in Cutty and Matty while we can. Dump Allen’s contract and we’ve got a shot in the draft at making real changes. We could grab Sherff and a top DE/OLB in the first round. That’s real change, and we haven’t hit the second round yet, where you’d have two more picks.

        Keeping a mid-league QB around just makes no sense.

        • Trac

          Spot on. People fail to understand that a careless qb makes a bad defense’s job harder.

  • GPLDAN

    This is Cheesy talking to Jefe:

  • Trac

    Someone on the Browns last year is being anonymously sourced as saying Manziel ‘s rookie year was 100% a joke. Evidently all he did was party and show up hungover or just not show up at all. No kidding. How in thee heck could a GM not know who he was prior to drafting him? Smh.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      because the majority of NFL executives/decision makers are clueless and incompetent.

    • GPLDAN

      Source?

      • Trac

        Pft

    • John Doe

      GM did not draft Johnny. The owner did. Why? Because he wanted to sell jerseys.

      GM and Coach had hired an analytics firm to do all sorts of number crunching on 2014 draft QB prospects. Word is they spent $100,000 grand on the analytics firm and the firm came back saying Teddy Bridgewater is the best QB of the 2014 draft.

      And all that came to nought on draft day because owner wanted to sell more jerseys.

      • Trac

        I see, said the blind man.

      • CanadaBear

        My problem with that theory is the jersey sales are going to dry up pretty quickly and the fans will turn on him in a heartbeat. Then you’ve fucked yourself out of a prime draft pick and the fans will hate you even more than they do (if that’s possible in the Factory of Sadness.

    • A bum convinced the owner to draft Manziel.
      I’m not making that up!
      Then, the bum drove up to his mansion in Balitmore, disrobed, took a long shower, put on his Raven’s jersey, and laughed for about 3 weeks (OK, I made that part up).

  • GPLDAN

    Let me pull down that felt green Fedora from the top shelf with “Irish” on the inside of the brim and place it square atop my head….. ok…. there we go….feels…. weird.

    Do you think the NFL manufactured BallGhazi to create a villain/hero narrative to the Super Bowl and insure a giant rating bonanza since Boston and Seattle are coast markets and mid-America might tune out? Hmmm….

    • Big Mike

      Nah, that’s a stretch. This game has a lot of interest because everybody has a reason to not like either team. Fans don’t like to see other teams labeled dynasty or team of the decade. If Seattle wins again, they’ve got that hanging on them. Nobody outside of Boston seems to like NE, because of their smugness and rule breaking.. and that they are consistently good.

      For me, I like Seattle. If they can win at a neutral site, their defense will have taken down, Brady & Manning in the big game. I like defense so there you go.

      • Scott W.

        The only thing I don’t like about Seattle is Pete Carroll. Can’t stand the SOB, never could. But he gets props from me anyway for building the team he has. Helluva show he’s putting on out there.

        New England? I personally hope they don’t just get beat, I hope Seattle humiliates them.

        • Big Mike

          Don’t like Pete Caroll.

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta give him credit but he acts like a Jr. High cheerleader.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Patriots Defense is spectacular too.

        Nobody likes Seattle because of their trash talking and rule braking (PEDs). But they’re relatively a new ‘reality’.

        PS: I like them both. I really, really liked Seattle some time ago, but my excitement has subsided once Wilson came into play. He makes me paranoid.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The Pats D is what make this game interesting. I might actually watch this superbowl live.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            All 6 units in the game are strong. These 2 teams have the most depth in the NFL.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’m with you Mike. Always loved the defense, I’ll root for the Hawks. Denver’s O was pretty good last year, and that was a real beat-down.

    • Irish Sweetness

      And in this scenario … the hawks are the good guys and gifted the win ….?

      Load on.

  • Hey, Data. You need to do a study of Cutler’s QBR when the games were still “competitive” (maybe the criteria like no more than 2 scores down).
    Stats actually state that Cutler had a decent year, but we all know that’s bullshit.
    Cutler had a high completion % cuz he would dump it off for 3 yards when we needed 6.
    He got a lot of yards cuz when the other team is up by 30 at half time, they’re gonna give you yards.
    It can also go the other way. If Cutler’s throwing hail marys when down by 21, cut those out too.

    I’d be interested to see a more accurate reflection of Cutler’s QBR in 2014.

    • Bear Down in Tampa
      • that doesn’t take score differential into account though. “Trailing” includes when you’re down by 3 or down by 35.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          Closest thing we’re gonna get to try and answer this question.

          • there’s another place to find it, but I can’t remember the site.

    • That doesn’t really work for QBR, because it’s intended to take game situation into account, so it only works for full game data. Plus the formula is not public.
      I could do it for passer rating. I saw somebody on reddit a couple months back do it by game situation: losing by 3+ scores (17+ points), losing by 2 scores (9-16 points), losing by 1 score (1-8 points), tied, winning by 1 score, winning by 2 scores, winning by 3+ scores (that one didn’t have any data).
      If I remember correctly, his passer rating was between 80 and 100 for all of them (granted, this was with about a month left in the season). It was lowest when the Bears were down 2 scores, highest when tied or up 1 score, and in the middle for up 2 scores and blowouts.

      • Yeah, I was debating between passer rating or QBR, but I thought you mentioned you prefer QBR, or that you created another metric.

        It would require a lot of tape watching. Even the “competitive” criteria is a little subjective because some teams quit right away (like the Bears) while others still fight to the end, but I got the feeling that when the Bears went down by 17ish, they just gave up and it was all stats after that.

        • Irish Sweetness

          We don’t need numbers. Numbers can tell any story you want them to. The eyeball test. Is the guy a winner, does he look after the ball and bring home the bacon when you thought you were going to bed hungry.

          Cutty has a considerably higher QBR than Jimmy Mac, but he wasn’t half the man.

          The eyeball test.

    • Trac

      It’s a waste of time, really. All you need to understand is that Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were better QB’s.

      • beninnorcal

        Sorry, Trac, but I still call bullshit there. Wouldn’t like either of those guys on my team. And if you’re saying it’s because they both have SB’s, again, bullshit. I’m sure the Ravens/Buc’s went to/won those SB’s because of world class QB play and not dominant D. Right.

        • Trac

          You have no idea how much I’ve held back on my opinion of Cutler. I truly detest the idea of continuing to waste time talking about the perfect team that will miraculously appear around him to will him to the Super Bowl.

          • beninnorcal

            I’m sure you hate him and that’s fine, but Dilfer? Come on.

          • Trac

            Hate is not the right word. I have never been one to comment on his personality, just his production. I don’t hate Cutler but I do detest having him as our QB. What pushed me off the ledge was when he purposely threw in the towel the week before he got benched. That to me is unacceptable. A leader does the opposite.

          • beninnorcal

            But Trac, my point is that the whole team threw in the towel for the second half of the season. QB was a problem for sure but this team had WAY bigger problems. It’s like you’re focusing on a scratch of paint on the Titanic.

          • Trac

            Yes but he threw Emery and Trestman under the bus. It was a punk move.

            Edit addition: he is the only reason I want Trestman to do well in Baltimore.

          • beninnorcal

            Threw HIM under the bus. Also, do you wish those clowns were still around and we just tossed Cutler? I prefer our current circumstances, new GM seems legit.

          • Trac

            No not at all. The net effect in my opinion is that Jay thinks he’s bigger than the team because at the end of the day, it’s the fan that suffers. Emery and Trestman couldnt help themselves. There is a difference.

          • willbest

            I don’t really have a bone to pick with Emery other than the Tres hire. The obvious answer was Arians and he got cute and it didn’t work out. His FA has been fairly positive, and while his 2012 draft was pretty bad (but not a pile of dung because we got a legit #1 WR out of it), he has improved every year.

          • CanadaBear

            I can’t agree on this. By the end of the season Nessman had done the unthinkable, he made Cutler a sympathetic character. Cutler came out of that Kromer crap looking the best of any of them. He was the one to take the high ground and just shrug it off (for once in his career, that was the proper response).

          • Trac

            I;m talking about fu plays on the field Canada. He purposely screwed the pooch in my opinion.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Forcing a trade perhaps? Just like Denver ….

          • Ososfan

            Sorry Trac, I was freeing with a lot of what you said on Cutler but he never threw anyone under the bus! That’s total BS

          • Trac

            It’s called assassination by memo Oso. Go back and watch that game I’m talking about.

          • Trac

            The coach lost the team early on, that’s obvious. Jays window closed 4 years ago.

          • Thisguy_justsaid

            Trac nailed it right there.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s exactly what I felt watching that game Trac. The arm went back … ‘DON’T CAAAARE!” … and whammo – bombs away and down the field it went. I felt like he was putting two fingers up to everybody. Next week he was on the bench.

          • beninnorcal

            Also, perfect team? How bout a defense that isn’t the worst in Bears history. Can you say the same about the QB(worst in history?), cuz I can name quite a few Bears QB’s who are quite a bit worse.

          • Trac

            I’m with Josh McDaniels on Cutler. He’s bad juju.

          • Trac

            Sarcasm is all I have left in the tank when it comes to Jay.

          • beninnorcal

            I get the frustration.

      • CanadaBear

        You’re kind of a shit disturber. I like that about you!

        • Trac

          You know what Canada? Ever since Cutler got on this team, I’ve had to fight the impulse to give up on the Bears because he is a counterfeit. Not trying to stir shit, that’s truly how I feel. I’m in “prove it” territory.

          • CanadaBear

            It took me a while to come around to it but I can’t argue with you. I think a lot of the excuses are legit but at some point you have to prove it on the field and he’s never done that consistently. They always say special players make everyone around them better. Nobody can say that about Cutler and have a straight face. When #54 was in his prime he definitely elevated the play around him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I wanted him to be great. Blocked out all the Denver fans and their sour grapes without really listening to them.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Can’t believe Cutler threw the ball 205 times on 1st and 10, that’s 36.5% of his dropbacks. The Bears ran 382 plays on 1st and 10 in the 15 games Cutler started, so of those 382 plays he was asked to pass on 53.7% of them. His QB Rating on those attempts was 81.0. His rating on all his other attempts? 90.8. Not sure what I am getting at, but interesting statistic for sure.

      • willbest

        I think the most shocking thing about that is the Bears ran it that much on first down. It never felt like that.

        What was his passer rating on 1 & 11+ downs?

        • BerwynBomber

          One would think that his QR would be better on 1 & 11+ than 1 & 10 because the opposing defense would relax a bit more due to the yardage needed.

          • Scott W.

            See – there it is, right fucking there. That is exactly what I am bitching about.
            The stats…the context of the stats…the variables of the stats…I want to hire Mr. Peabody from Peabody and Sherman to monitor this shit round the clock on my behalf, and give me a report I can understand on Mondays.
            One that looks like this:

            “Jay Cutler threw the ball 40 times. He got picked off 3 times, but only one was his fault. They scored 21 points. The other guys scored 28. We lost.”

    • Thisguy_justsaid

      Garbage time simply garbage time is where he got all them good stats.

    • BerwynBomber

      Cutler finished 21st in QBR. He finished 17th in QR.

      Beware of cherry-picked stats. QBR and QR are still the most indicative aggregate rating system of stats that exist.

      In terms of the still “competitive” issue you note, QBR attempts to quantify that in its rating system. That is why Cutty had a higher QR, comparatively speaking, from the Pats game than he did a QBR. Basically, QBR devalues some of Cutty’s garbage time TDs and yards in that game.

      But that is not to say QBR is better. Sometimes QR seems more indicative of a QB’s performance. Probably best to average out where a QB finishes in each to get the most accurate picture of a season.

  • #Truths dead cousin

    Point’s 2 and 3 contradict each other. Also, Cutler has yet to win a big game like Flacco or Eli… Still, I do think they can with him, but they won’t win because of him…

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Remember when Jay left Denver and fans dressed up as babies well now we know why.

  • On another subject, here’s a pretty readable summary of Fangio’s D.

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/22/durkins-playbook-breaking-down-vic-fangios-defensive-scheme/

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I have doubts about reading stuff like this because nobody knows what he’ll actually run with the Bears. he isn’t locked into one scheme.

      Still it’s great shit. Thanks.

      • Johnnywad

        Isn’t it 2:00 a.m. there?

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Let me think. 2 p.m is 14.00 hours right ?

          yeah… it’s 02.00 night time.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Daytime dude. 2.00 a.m. is when it’s dark outside and bad things are happening on the streets.

    • Irish Sweetness

      He has that face … “Are you lookin’ at me?”

  • AlbertInTucson

    Oh, just for the record, I don’t believe for a nanosecond that Tom Brady can’t feel the difference between a regulation filled football and one that’s under-inflated by 2 psi or @15% short.

  • Trac
    • Barb UMihai Mar

      everybody’s hungry for clicks.

  • BerwynBomber

    “You know who isn’t a winning player? Matthew Stafford. Is he being run out of Detroit for being 7 games below .500?”

    Stafford is also five or six years younger than Cutty and has never played under a decent HC until this year. Plus, I don’t know if the DET fan base is entirely enamored with Stafford anyway. And we don’t even know how good Caldwell is. Only that he is better than some of the other disasters they’ve had in the Motor City.

    Also, Cutty has largely had the benefit — until the Trestman years — for playing with teams with top of the league defenses and specials. Again, Grossman and Orton also won with such teams.

    Btw, what’s next? A Christian Ponder comparison for Jay?

    • Doc Hamstring

      Stafford is 26. Four years younger than Cutler. He’s been in the league 6 years now. He has played with the best receiver in the league his entire career. He has had good running backs every year (sure, they get hurt, but still). He had a 1st round draft pick at TE this year.

      • BerwynBomber

        Cutty turns 32 this April. And Cutty has had BMarsh, Alshon, Forte and Jeffrey. So what is your point? Ebron? Really? He might be a bust.

        • Doc Hamstring

          My point is your counter-argument (to Blogfather’s comparison between Cutler and Stafford) is inaccurate. Stafford has been in the league 6 years. He has the best WR in the league. Comparing QB situations is often apples-to-oranges, but saying that Stafford has been somehow in worse situations that Cutler is not living in the realm of reality.

          • BerwynBomber

            Lovie Smith > Jim Schwartz. A good HC makes a HUGE difference. I suspect the John Fox > Marc Trestman comparison will prove that here.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Neither Lovie nor Schwartz had much of an impact (positively) on their offenses. Neither one knew jack shit about offense. Neither one did jack shit with their offenses.
            Though I’d take Lovie in a heartbeat over that jagoff Schwartz.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough. But Blogfather was talking W-L records of the two QBs. Quality of HC makes a big difference there.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Jeff’s defense of Cutler versus Stafford is a weak baseless straw man argument. The difference in variables is astronomical and incalculable. Stafford is irrelevant to the situation we face. He’s not on our team. He is a non-entity in the equation.
            The question is to keep a guy or not that we haven’t managed to win with in six years. Could we win with Jay and an awesome defense? We did that with a rookie neckbeard. Anyone can win with an awesome defense.

            Nobody gives a fuck about Stafford.

          • Scott W.

            Thanks for clarifying my stance on Matthew Stafford. I want to scream that sometimes.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        2 1st round picks at TE, Brandon Pettigrew (2009) and Eric Ebron (2014).

    • This years’ Lions are no different than 2010-12 Bears. Except with much more offensive talent to work with (but a comparable overall offense).

      Stafford and Cutler are basically the same QB, only Cutler is an ever so slightly better version of Stafford.

      • BerwynBomber

        Not much from argument from me, though I would take Stafford over Cutty. Both are mistake prone, athleticism is about the same (maybe a slight edge to Jay), but Stafford has more pure arm talent. Jay has a cannon. But Stafford has a cannon too and he can make nearly any pass from any arm angle. Plus, he’s younger.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Remember that game when Stafford was ‘hurt’ ? The Browns game. He’d ‘hurt’ his arm/shoulder, but with the bravery of Ulysses he shuffled back on to the field and rifled a pass into the endzone for a TD? The announcers were fighting over the blowjob. I find shit like that funny. These spoiled millionaires pretending to be heroes going through some unimaginable pain barrier for the cameras.

          • Scott W.

            Eloquently stated. Way to cut through the shit and call it Irish. Yer awesome.

    • Scott W.

      Berwyn, yeah, Grossman and Orton did well back in 05 and 06 by comparison. No argument from me.
      But they had an o-line that gave them time to do their job. Orton, the antithesis of a scrambler, had time.
      We are just now starting to get that one piece fixed, but it’s still a mess by most standards.
      Look, I don’t think Cutler is a great QB. I am holding him up against current starters, and in the context of what we’ve surrounded him with since his arrival, and who we hired to design the offense.
      I wish things had worked out like we wanted when we traded for him.
      I wish he’d made better decisions on innumerable plays.
      I wasn’t sold on the trade and said so.
      But this broken blue and orange mess is not his fault.
      It just isn’t.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I know. It’s not Cutler’s fault. It never is.

        My main point was in response to Blogfather’s Cutler/Stafford W-L comparison. I think it is specious and ignores a ton of variables, like saying Andy Dalton is three times better than Jay because of the number of times Dalton has taken his team to the playoffs.

        You can’t have those arguments both ways if you’re the one making them.

        • Scott W.

          I’m laughing here a little, because this Cutler argument is so…endless. Probably says a lot right there.

          I don’t think he’s blameless at all. I was not a fan of the trade when it happened, and said so right here in these pages. There’s all this figuring out to do, each and every Sunday. It’s weird.

          I’m just a Bears fan. That’s it. My credentials don’t go beyond that. I’m a lot better at making shaker style furniture than I am at figuring out Jay Cutler, and I’m not that good at the former.

          All I am saying, because, well, I comment on the blog as one of my hobbies I guess, is that a lot of things have to be factored in. I’m really just like everyone else in a way, in that I’m just tossing a dart at the Jay Cutler fan chart.

          There are numbers. Stats galore. So many stats and QBR’s, that I frankly don’t understand half of them if that any more. Too much math. The games themselves. The coaching carousel. The o-line deficiencies. Diabetes, for crying out loud. Jerry Angelo went and got him, Phil Emery adored him (apparently), and yet, here we all are, from all over the world, debating him non-stop. Jeff even has to declare he’s “going dark” on the subject.

          So yeah, I put him at 8th in the current NFL, with all things I consider relevant to that decision, and I am standing by it. Conversely, I never wanted him in the first place. How much sense does THAT make?

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough, Scott, and my “it is never Cutler’s fault” was directed less at you than the whole “you guys always blame” Cutler tone of Blogfather’s post. Both are overstatements and truth is probably somewhere in the middle. But yeah, I agree. Cutler will be a lightning rod of debate in the city for years to come.

            Oh, and btw. I’m hardly any fan of Stafford. But I think when a relatively young QB plays for a crap franchise and a crap HC most of his career it should be taken into account.

            No QB is a one-man band. Rodgers is probably the closest in today’s game and even he has some talent surrounding him; Brady arguably too but he always has Belichick.

            Historically, the closest I ever saw was early-to-mid-career Elway. Shaky O-lines, no name receivers and RBs, and arguably only average to above average Ds (at their best). Yet there he was: seemingly pulling those Denver teams into SBs as if single-handedly where they would get waxed of course, but it was impressive he would even get them there.

          • Scott W.

            All 10 of my thumbs up on Elway. Man, you got that right. Closest I remember to him was Roger Staubach. What a friggin’ QB he was…he could pull something out of zero all day long, just like Elway.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He also threw a LOT of interceptions. like 50/50 with TDs his first ten years.

          • Irish Sweetness

            For those who live by the stats, look at elway’s stats his first ten years. You’d never give him a job.

        • Scott W.

          BTW, +100 blog points for using the word specious.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’ll do the photocopies. I can make coffee. What’s the salary ?

  • huntinbare

    Let’s play 2

    • CanadaBear

      This story says everything you need to know about Mr. Cub.

      Former major league outfielder Dale Murphy, in a tweet Friday night, said: “Did a card show w Ernie Banks. He drove the promoter crazy! Spent time/talked with every person. After an hour had signed maybe 15.”

      • huntinbare

        I went to Santa’s Village in the late spring of ’67….had a hockey game at the rink…as we were leaving, the girl at the front desk asked if I saw Ernie Banks…no…well we opened the park so his son could have his birthday party on the rides…take this pen and piece of paper and get his autograph…I was on cloud 9 as I floated up to my boyhood hero…he talked me up about hockey….I left him in a fog and when I was leaving the girl asked me for her pen back…Oooopppps I left it with Ernie Banks…I had to go back through the park and get the pen back….I was feeling pretty stupid when I went back up to him and asked for the pen back….he just started talking and by the time he was done I left feeling like a king…only autograph I kept ….gave it too my best man as a gift at my bachelor party…teared up last night…Ernie Banks was one of my favorite human beings…no other athlete has moved me so ….except maybe Dale Murphy….got a good Dale M. story for you some day…

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Former Panthers G.M. questions Patriots’ “culture of cheating”

    “There isn’t a day that goes by since 2003 that I haven’t questioned … that there were some things done that might have been beyond the rules that may have given them a three-point advantage,” Marty Hurney said, via ESPN.com. “This isn’t about deflating balls. . . . It’s an issue of if there is a culture of cheating at the organization that most people look at as the gold standard in this league. Is there a culture of cheating and breaking the rules?

    Hurney also acknowledged that his team’s hands weren’t clean that year, after three of their starting offensive linemen were named in a steroid investigation in South Carolina. ”

    Isn’t this the most NFL report ever ? Gold.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Allegheny County sheriff: No conflict of interest with deputy working for Steelers

    When 49ers defensive tackle Ray McDonald was first arrested on suspicion of domestic violence last August, the investigation into the matter was complicated by a San Jose police officer who also worked for the 49ers and was at the crime scene before the police officers working on the case.

    One such arrangement is in Pittsburgh where Allegheny County sheriff Lt. Jack Kearney has also been the director of security for the Steelers since 2001. In a report for ESPN’s Outside the Lines, Steve Fainaru and Mark Fainaru-Wada found several instances where Kearney intervened on behalf of the team in law enforcement matters. Among them were moving the car of tackle Mike Adams and speaking to Adams at the hospital before detectives arrived when Adams was stabbed in 2013. Kearney then leading the investigation into the crime for the sheriff’s office.Kearney also allegedly expedited gun permits for players among other interventions into legal proceedings

    Wait…what ?

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    The Bears hires Glenn Pires as a linebackers coach, , after seven years in that same position with the Falcons.

    Fuck me. Shit. What was wrong with the 49ers LB coach ? It wasn’t his work history that’s for sure.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Another theory for deflating footballs
    Posted by Mike Florio

    Dr. Allen Sanderson, a research scientist at the University of Utah told Tom Pelissero of USA Today that accelerated deflation will occur naturally if the balls are inflated while at a higher temperature.

    “What everyone’s looking for is somebody to have physically altered the ball by letting air out,” Sanderson said. “We think this is naturally occurring. . . .

    “The NFL rules are very much ambiguous really because they’re not specifying a temperature. They’re just specifying a pressure, and temperature makes all the difference in the world about how you make that measurement. Us science geeks picked up on it.”

    Nice. Find a way to break the rules without actually braking the rules. That’s some superior shit right there.
    If I inflate the balls in a sauna at legal specs the laws of nature with take care of things. You can then blame God for the loss of psy, Russel Wilson style. I’m buying this shit. Al Davis would be so proud.

  • Thompson Way

    It didn’t help when Jaws, and other NFL analysts were showing Cutler holding the ball with wide open WRs down field, and then Cutler throws into double coverage on the other side of the field. Or, completely missing obvious blitzes…
    Last year Cutler was in a slump. I have never seen him play so bad, but most of the team played like that.
    I often joke about Cutler being a coach killer, but usually just to get a reaction from the haters. I feel bad for Cutler, and I have been ready for him to move on for years now. I just want to see a QB that looks like he is having fun. Cutler will throw a beautiful TD pass and walk off the field like he is indifferent. I rather see that child like excitement like McMahan used to have.
    Great read, and good food for thought.

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