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NFL Draft: Day Three Open Thread

| May 2nd, 2015

oleary

Three of the four players I profiled last week – Nick O’Leary, Jalston Fowler & Nick Perry – are still available for the Chicago Bears on day three of the draft. Who else of note is available?

  • Two of the safeties I thought would be gone on day two – Josh Shaw and Adrian Amos – are still on the board. Both are potential NFL starters in 2015. Since I posted some Shaw video yesterday, here’s Amos:

  • People seemed surprised Pittsburgh offensive tackle T.J. Clemmings fell out of the FIRST ROUND and now he’s available on the third day? Is a stress fracture in a player’s foot really enough to drop a guy 2-3 rounds? The league may end up looking remarkably short-sighted if this kid develops into the nasty tackle he’s projected to become.
  • Jay Ajayi (Boise) is one of the best backs in this class and even he was surprised to fall out of the first three rounds. (CLICK HERE to see his response on Twitter.) Someone is getting a terrific back with a chip on his shoulder.

Should be an interesting day for the Chicago Bears. While they shouldn’t reach for positions of need I would be shocked if they didn’t address the secondary today in a substantial way.

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  • Big Mike

    Anybody we get today who plays is a bonus. Let’s do it.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Agreed. Though the Bears have had luck in past years in the 4th round. Vasher, Brown, come to mind right away.

      • Big Mike

        Henry Melton was a 4th rounder.

  • Doc Hamstring

    FREE SAFETY!

  • Big Mike

    Here is a list going back the last 15 years of the 7th pick of the 4th round
    Justin Ellis Raiders DT
    Jelani Jenkins Dolphins LB
    Kirk Cousins Redskins QB
    Luke Stocker Buccaneers TE
    Trevard Lindley Eagles DB
    Mike Thomas Jaguars WR
    Marcus Smith Ravens WR
    Tanard Jackson Buccaneers DB
    Cory Rodgers Packers WR
    Vincent Fuller Titans DB
    Bo Schobel Titans DE
    George Wrighster Jaguars TE
    Brian Williams Vikings DB
    Matt Stewart Falcons LB
    Jerry Johnson Broncos DT

    I only recognize Kirk Cousins. Anybody decent on this list?

  • Big Mike

    Last 20 years of Bears 4th round picks
    Ka’Deem Carey
    Brock Vereen
    Khaseem Greene
    Evan Rodriguez
    Corey Wootton
    Henry Melton
    D.J. Moore
    Craig Steltz
    Josh Beekman
    Jamar Williams
    Kyle Orton
    Nathan Vasher
    Leon Joe
    Todd Johnson
    Ian Scott
    Alex Brown
    Karon Riley
    Reggie Austin
    Warrick Holdman
    Rosevelt Colvin

    • SC Dave

      Actually, not a bad list. Here are our 1st rounders for comparison.

      Kevin White
      Kyle Fuller
      *Kyle Long
      Shea McClellin
      Gabe Carimi
      [Jay Cutler x 2]
      Chris Williams
      *Greg Olsen
      Cedric Benson
      *Tommie Harris
      Rex Grossman
      Michael Haynes
      Marc Columbo
      David Terrell
      *Brian Urlacher
      Cade McNown

      Four out of thirteen ain’t bad, is it? (Too early to tell on Fuller and of course White)

      • Trac

        Depends in what you mean by four out of 13. Half the guys on that list didn’t produce for the Bears. Some were salvageable or were starters but didn’t perform like we hoped. I don’t know where you would put Grossman because he was so jekyll and hyde. I actually think Orton would have brought the Lombardi home had he been the starter in the SB.

        • Big Mike

          4 of 13 is terrible, given the degree to which several never did shit.

          • SC Dave

            I know… i wss kidding

          • Big Mike

            Oh, duh.. been losing to so much crazy talk, I lost my baseline.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Orton plus Tommie plus Mike Brown would have overcome Manning and his desire to choke out of that game.

        • SC Dave

          The asterisks, trac

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        four for thirteen sucks. this aint baseball

    • Trac

      I thought Lance Briggs was a 4th rounder?

      • Doc Hamstring

        3rd

    • Doc Hamstring

      Take out the last 3 years because they haven’t had enough time to give us a complete “grade,” and I get this:

      Absolute fails: Rodriguez, Joe, Riley (who?), Austin
      Nothing special: Steltz, Beekman, Johnson, Scott
      Above expectations: Wootton, Moore, Williams, Orton
      Solid-to-spectacular picks: Melton, Vasher, Brown, Holdman, Colvin

      5/17 were solid starters. That’s a damn good ratio for the 4th round.

      • GPLDAN

        It’s a necessary ratio because of the 1st round misses.

        • Doc Hamstring

          STOP FINDING CLOUDS IN MY SILVER LININGS

          • GPLDAN

            I’m sorry, this glass of bourbon on my desk is half empty.

          • Doc Hamstring

            As long as the bottle is half-full

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sour mash Old No. 6? Or the Wild Turkey?

      • Big Mike

        Had we done as well in the 1st round we’d be something. Angelo did well in the later rounds. Or maybe he backed off and that was the scouting department. Don’t know, never will.

  • Scott W.

    I confess I live in something of a vacuum as a Bears fan, and further that I don’t have a football trading card mind. Toss in the “new” approach to player – specific schemes, and I can be 3 games into the season before I start to understand who does what on the Bears.

    Mike & Dave’s lists below are gems for fans like me. Really brings the mosaic of the draft into focus.

    Thanks gentlemen.

    • GPLDAN

      Well you can see the national press is very much into advancing the story of “Jay Cutler sucks and the Bears wanted to dump his sorry ass.”

      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/01/bears-called-but-titans-had-zero-interest-in-jay-cutler/

      It will be interesting to see if we get sulky, moody fuck you Jay this year, or stiff upper lip Jay.

      • Scott W.

        Gut feeling: Based on his reception for White, I call bullshit on PFT (fuckers are the Jerry Springer of the NFL).
        I think Jay will have a better year than last for obvious reasons.

      • BearDown100393

        Sure but it also happens to be true.

  • Scott W.

    This draft, I really dug in here and determined I was going to get a better understanding of how it all goes in our little online war room here. Years past, I lurked, breezed in and out, etc.
    Last fall, I watched more college games than I have since high school to see who was hot, who was not. It’s how I found and followed Mariota, White, Petty, Scherff, Cooper, and yes, Winston (puke) and others.
    Butch, Jonathan, Mike, NBIT, MISTER Hughes, Andrew,

    • BillW

      I echo that sentiment but with a slightly different twist.

      For many of my 50 plus years of fandom I thought I knew how to judge the draft. Once I realized many years ago how wrong I was I gave up. . (of course jerry had a lot to do with that too)

      I essentially ignored everything up to a week ago. Got annoyed at the experts that I came to learn were only trying to guess the pick so they could win a contest. Instead of saying who SHOULD be picked.

      The great people on this board, as Scott says, did exactly what I was looking for.

      I too say thank you.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Quote of the draft so far, Butch after Yeldon was picked :

        “I’m a better scout than the scouts!”

    • Like anything else Scott, it takes time. I never used to be into the draft. At first I didn’t pay attention till the season started. Then it was pre-season games. Then I was like, “Who the hell are these guys?” So I started getting more and more involved with the draft process. I, like you, relied heavily on others, esp the now extinct ProFootballWeekly. Hub ran that, so it was only natural a Bears fan like me was drawn to their draft coverage, and I still consider Nawrocki one of the best in the biz.

      I still rely on the “experts” (NFL.com, NFP, CBS, even Walterfooball) to give me a framework cuz I’m not about to watch every college game from Appalachia state to Alabama. But once they give a working consensus, then I pop in the tape (youtube) and focus on positions I think the Bears need.

      The best way to learn is to simply read the scouting reports. What I like doing is watching the videos BEFORE reading the scouting reports to see if we’re seeing the same thing. Sometimes I see the same things, sometimes I don’t; nevertheless it’s a good way to hone your eyes.

      It also doesn’t hurt to have played and knowing a little bit about technique from the inside-out.

      Some of the scouting phrases and terminology are pretty funny though. “Bowl-legged” “Pigeon-towed” “Playing on skates” ,”Blind dog in meat market”… or my fav “T-rex arms” .

      But it’s a process. It took me like maybe 3 good off-seasons to finally feel confident to file my own “reports” which I shamelessly bludgeon Da Blog with! lol

      • Scott W.

        Well….beat me, abuse me, make me write bad posts…

        What a run. It is cool too, because I stayed dialed in to the Bears, 5 months after season’s end. Usually, I compartmentalize the year, and don’t start re-dialing in until July. So this was actually great in a lot of ways. Hell, only 90 days to Training camp, ya know?

  • GPLDAN

    Grasu has some chub stuff, soft for being at 297, looks like an Iranian bouncer.

    Let’s see if the Bears S&C guys can forge the kid into a starter next year.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/05/hroniss_grasu_to_bears_in_nfl.html

    • Scott W.

      I swear, we edit our comments better than most sports writers.

      Was Unger also a shotgun center?

    • SC Dave

      Iranian bouncer could be exactly what we need!

      • tobijohn

        Where are these big Persians coming from? The OL guy from the Packers and his Raven brother, a couple others whose names I don’t recall. My mother was Iranian and I can tell you most of my relatives on her side of the family could walk between these guys’ legs without touching their cajones…

  • Scott W.

    With Pace declaring he likes drafting a QB every draft, do we see that happen today?

    • willbest

      Yes

    • Irish Sweetness

      Am I the the only one who hopes Fales develops ?

      I just don’t get drafting a project QB when we already have one. I don’t think Clausen is terrible. Fales showed flashes of sharpness in his pre-season gig. He’s learning his trade, and we can put him in on mop-up duty if we’re getting our asses kicked, or we’re up by 30. He’s a nice little passer, and if he’s got awareness and looks after the ball … who’s to say he’s not going to be very good?

      I hope we don’t draft a QB. We need a right tackle more than we need a third string QB who will likely never start for us. We’ll be needing a running back too. The ILBs can wait.

  • GPLDAN

    With the law firm of Rat, Goldman and Ferguson at NT, I think we have enough 0-tech beef now.

    Larger questions are: Can Sutton play 3-4 DE 2-tech? What the fuck do you do with Willie Young?

    • Doc Hamstring

      Bass won’t make opening day roster. He’s a 4-3 DE, not an OLB. Unless he’s got some weird coverage skills we’ve never seen any sign of, or he’s put on 20 lbs of muscle so he can play rush end in a 3-4, he’s gone.

      • SC Dave

        And Alan Page was too small to play DT.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Sam Mills ?

    • Irish Sweetness

      The Chicago Law Firm.

      That belongs as a new D-line nickname. If they’re good ….

  • GPLDAN

    Starters on DL: McDonald – Rat – Houston
    LB: Acho – Bostic – Jones – McPhee

    2nd String: Sutton – Goldman – Jenkins
    LB: Young – Sharpton -Latimore – Allen

    Cut: Dinner, Bass,

    • Scott W.

      Think Shea will add to his record setting sack total on 2015?

      • GPLDAN

        I think the roster spot comes right down to the end, and he beats out Greene for it.

        • Scott W.

          Really? So we have weak sisters in a pillow fight for that spot, then?

          • GPLDAN

            Greene is a massive disappointment as a player. I wanted to see him be the heir to Briggs and it seemed he had problems with toughness and shedding blocks. Or, it could just have been that under Tucker, he floundered because Tucker couldn’t give him the tools to succeed.

            Maybe Greene bounces back and bumps Dinner. Dinner is on his rook contract still, and has shown nothing outside of breaking Rodgers collarbone. Pace can chalk it up to Emery missing wildly, and move on.

            Sharpton is another. Kid came to play last year, but his performance tailed off badly once he started getting banged around. Pace picked up Acho and Foster, hopefully they bring toughness and professionalism with them. Dinner seems soft.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah. Your last line, can I add “and lost “?

      • Irish Sweetness

        I wonder if he’s started lifting weights yet? He should have locked himself in the gym for the off-season, watching film and working out.

        • willbest

          You can’t really fault his work ethic. At best however, he didn’t fit the scheme, and at worst he isn’t an NFL player. I would rather he get to prove bad scheme someplace else though. We have a plethora of LBs that I have seen far better things from.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Prefer Sharpton over Bostic, but that still looks semi-weak. Need two high picks at LB next year.

      • GPLDAN

        It’s not that weak. Pace picking up Foster, Acho and McPhee was quietly brilliant.
        If Rat can keep his concussion problem handled, this is shaping up to be a very flexible and difficult to scheme front 7.

        We have shit at safety. Rolle and Mundy is a joke.

        With Fuller at nickel, you pull Christian Jones off the field, and have Allen Ball and Jennings there.

        We need a safety. Bears picked up Bronson 2 days ago but I would use the 4th round and 5th round to grab secondary.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I’d love us to find a 6’3 project at safety. An angry wide receiver.

      • SC Dave

        I think i would take shea over bostic. Seriously

    • Irish Sweetness

      Here’s that animated gif of Sharpton (53) blowing up that back …
      Shedding blockers 101

      http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2014/10/17/6992955/chicago-bears-playbook-darryl-sharpton-linebacker-pass-coverage

      • Big Mike

        He looks good only because he’s the only guy on the squad moving.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Which is a good thing, right? He’s like Ant-man.

    • willbest

      Sutton isn’t going to make the team. They have to cut somewhere and its not going to be Allen, Houston, Young, McPhee, Ego, or McDonald.

      Also Sharpton is a FA, if the Bears wanted him back they would have signed him. Probably only going to have 3 ILBs on the 53 unless the 4th is a core special teamer. My bet is on Foster, Bostic, and Jones.

      • GPLDAN

        You think they will release Will Sutton based on his rook performance?

  • GPLDAN

    Zac Stacy wants a trade from the Rams.

    Straight up for Forte?

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m taking my fish ass away from your bait. I’m swimming away …. look.

      • GPLDAN

        hehe

    • EnderWiggin

      Weird. He seemed like a standup guy last season. I wonder why he’d shy away from competition.

      • Trac

        $$$$$$

      • Writing is on the wall.
        Gurley will get the bulk, Tray Mason will get the leftovers, Cunningham is the 3rd down guy or maybe special teams guy.

        Stacy is a tank, so he’s not going to contribute on specials, and he’s not exactly a 3rd down back (and even if he were, Gurley and Mason will get those snaps too)

    • Nah.

    • SC Dave

      Sigh…

  • Irish Sweetness

    I guess Collins is a no-go given his threat to sit out now. TJ Clemmings for me, then a running back.

  • Big Mike

    What time does this stuff start today?

    • willbest

      Only the die hards pay attention to Saturday in real time

  • FourFeathers

    We have lots of needs. So far I give Pace a solid A. Can’t build Rome in a D, but I suspect he will nab a developmental QB and a S today. Sure would like an OT too.

    • GPLDAN

      We don’t have lots of needs.

      QB is not a need. We are going with Cutler again. Pickle can back up.
      RB is not a need. We have Forte and Jock Jizz Rodgers.
      Wideout is not a need: We have a 1st rounder, Jeffery, Wilson, Royal and Bellamy.
      TE is perhaps a need
      OL is a need

      DL is not a need
      LB is not a need, perhaps ILB is.
      Secondary is a need.

      • willbest

        They best draft a safety

      • Big Mike

        TJ Clemmings is still on the board after the first 5 picks on the RD 4. He’s a stud OT.

        • Vikes. If his medicals check out, he’s good value.
          However, he got beat like a rented mule at Senior Bowl, and even more disturbing, word was he lost confidence there and moped about.
          Not exactly the mentality you want in a Big Ugly.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Forgot about JockJizz. Amos and Clemmings for me then.

      • BerwynBomber

        I would argue that we have a bigger need at RB than WR. Forte is a HUGE part of our offense. He goes down or leaves … watch out. Whereas we could have lived with Alshon, Royal and Wilson.

      • TE is definitely a need. You trust the Bennett Bros?
        That dude already wants more $, at the very least, he’ll cost, not to mention is antics, body slamming and penchant for always being dinged up.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Bears biggest need: Wins.

  • Big Mike

    Here’s the pick Jeremy Langford RB – Michigan State
    http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jeremy_langford_716682.html

    • BerwynBomber

      Langford was my sleeper RB in the whole draft.

      Fantastic pick.

      • Big Mike

        for real? His stock dropped a lot. Here’s another link

        http://draftbreakdown.com/?s=jeremy+langford

        What do you like about him? Why was he your sleeper?

        • BerwynBomber

          I wrote about him on here a few days ago. Excellent speed, good vision, flashed all-purpose potential AND usually played well against the best competition.

          Gruden had him as the third best back in the entire draft. I don’t know if I disagree. Excellent value IMO>

          • Big Mike

            Michigan State RB Jeremy Langford “can fit in any scheme,
            but he might be best in a traditional power running game,” according to
            ESPN’s Todd McShay.

            “He does a good job of pressing the line of scrimmage and
            working laterally until a hole opens up, and he’s very sudden with the
            ability to make defenders miss once he finds a crease,” McShay wrote.
            “He isn’t very powerful, but he runs behind his pads and is just a
            grinder.” The 6-foot, 206-pounder collected 1,522 rushing yards and 22
            touchdowns on 230 carries last season. “Most smaller backs wear down
            with a lot of carries, but on tape I saw him get stronger as the game
            went on,” McShay wrote. “He needs to get more consistent as a
            pass-catcher because the team that drafts him is going to want to get
            him the ball in space and let him make plays.”

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I don’t know if I buy this “small” back talk. The dude is six foot. Unless we consider Forte small. Langford is roughly the same size.

          • Big Mike

            6’ft 206 is not small

          • BerwynBomber

            Anyway, I actually watched him play about four or five times for Sparty. Always liked him. Weird thing is I believe they recruited him as a DB but switched him to RB his Jr. year because none of their other RBs were showing much.

          • I prefer my 3 down backs 220 in the modern NFL.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s 6’0 ?!!! He looks tiny !

          • Like him A LOT more than Carey, that’s for sure.
            He’s not a banger though, and a little light esp since he’s not a juker like Shady McCoy.

          • BerwynBomber

            True about not being a banger or a juker like Shady. As you pointed out, he is kind of a one-cut guy. But he hits the hole fast with vision from what I can tell. And usually that pays off.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Reminded me of Joe Morris, or those Cleveland backs in the eighties. Can he return kicks?

      • BerwynBomber

        Never has as far as I know. He is bigger than Morris.

      • Trac

        I guess we’re all set on D?

  • Irish Sweetness

    Good lord. Watch that video of Safety Adrian Amos above. 6’0, 220. Can play slot. Dude can hit from what I saw. Could we move to grab him AND Clemmings?

    STRENGTHS
    Athletic with good range. Fluid in space with easy backpedal and smooth hips. Has ability to turn, run and recover when ball is in the air. Good route recognition. Trustworthy in coverage and is rarely out of position. Can line up defense. Offered versatility in coverage. Played some slot corner in sub packages. Outstanding in zone coverage at Penn State. Can crowd receivers and closes throwing windows. Allowed just 3.9 yards per target in 2014. Has twitch to trigger and close on throws.
    WEAKNESSES
    Doesn’t display great sense of urgency in run support. Takes suspect angles against run from high to low and when lined up near line of scrimmage. Will throw body at runner, but carries no sting behind pads, sliding down target and finishing tackle near ankles at times. Average instincts. Hyper-focused on responsibility and seems unwilling to take chances. Would rather see it than sense it.

    • I think the Bears are gambling on a S to be there in the 5th. Might even trade up for one they like if they start flying off the board in the late draft.

  • Well, can’t accuse POX of going by group think.

    RB Ajayi and RB David Cobb were ranked much higher than Langford.

    The medical on AJayi must be horrific for him to fall like this.

    Chances of my great white hope HB Zenner are gone, though he was like a 5th-7th rounder.

  • OG Tre Jackson. Nice value for the Pats. Surprise surprise.

  • Irish Sweetness

    On Amos:

    BOTTOM LINE

    Amos checks all the boxes when it comes to strong football intelligence, a willingness to digest tape and cover skills. The biggest question is whether or not he can fit with a coordinator looking for playmakers and chance-takers. He must prove that he can play with greater overlap. Amos’ scheme versatility is a big plus, but I wouldn’t ask him to play inside the box very often.

  • I guess POX think about as much about Carey as GP and I, which is not much.

    • BerwynBomber

      And I assume no QB selected of note.

      Must have been Mariota or bust.

      • Well, I think they had their eye on Petty in this RD, but once more the Jets beat us to him; however, I’m only guessing.

    • GPLDAN

      Carey reminds me of Jaime Morris. One set of Madden stats in the NCAA version, but at NFL speed, it’s all gone to shit.

  • BerwynBomber

    Btw, lurked/skimmed a Cheese site a few minutes last night. Their fans were not thrilled with their picks. Needed DBs but also coveted an ILB and none taken so far.

    Can’t say I’m overly impressed with DET’s thus far either. I do like Minny’s.

  • The one thing I was curious about was what Oline-HB philo we were leaning towards.
    By selecting C Grassu, a zone linemen, and Langford, who looks like a one-cut stretch runner, it seems like the Bears are going zone-stretch blocking (ala Texans?) over power blocking.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Langford over Clemmings? really?

    • If you wanna dump Forte, need a replacement.
      Carey is hot garbage. Can’t build an offense around him. Glad the new regime recognized that.
      Not saying Langford is the answer, but he’s superior to Carey, that’s for sure. Maybe Fox will be more of a committee guy.
      Besides Clemming’s medical, his mental make-up was a huge question, namely, that he’s soft.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Ah.

      • willbest

        I don’t know where you get Carey is hot garbage. He just plays behind one of the healthiest highest stamina RBs in football.

        • I never liked him coming out of college. He was “meh”. I admit, he looked a bit more explosive in the NFL, but I’m still highly suspect about him, and apparently, I’m not alone.

          Fox knows a little about RBs.

          • SC Dave

            Then he should make sure things come out right with Matt

  • Irish Sweetness

    We moved up one spot in the 5th already. Did we give the Jets a seventh for that even though we had no 7th?

    • I think we flip/alternate by rounds with the Jets.
      Would’ve been nice to have that in the 1st.

      • willbest

        That 5th was for BMarsh and our 7th. We didn’t flip

      • Irish Sweetness

        We drafted Amos with the jets pick … the vikes drafted pruitt with ours.

    • BerwynBomber

      Which I believe ended up with JAX so the Jets could move up a spot to select Bryce Petty.

      • Scott W.

        I’m not near a television. Did the Jets take Petty?

        • beninnorcal

          Yes

          • Scott W.

            Damn. Good pickup.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And the Giants drafted a 6’2 safety right behind us. They drafted Landon Collins too.

          • Scott W.

            Damn.

    • willbest

      No we didn’t move up 1 spot. We got that 5th round pick for brandon Marshall. We then traded our 5th round pick to the Broncos who traded it to the Lions and then to the Vikings

  • If @Rachel__Nichols and @MichelleDBeadle are banned, all journalists should stand with them & not go into the fight. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/floyd-mayweather-bans-rachel-nichols-michelle-beadle …- Jeff tweet.

    While I understand the sentiment, aren’t journalists supposed to REPORT the news and not BE the news?

    • Scott W.

      Yes. But good luck with that. Hell, they even interview each other for “expert” analysis. It’s disgusting.

  • Irish Sweetness

    AMOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • beninnorcal

    There’s our safety

  • beninnorcal

    Good call, Irish

  • And in honor of our new Safety.

  • willbest

    The Bear’s 5th round draft pick took a trip around the NFC North.

  • beninnorcal
    • beninnorcal

      His hitting style is reminiscent of Brandon Merrweather, hopefully that’s the only similarity.

  • Damn. Pukes take QB Hundley.
    [slight Spoc raised eyebrow]

    • willbest

      Flynn isn’t your backup.

    • Irish Sweetness

      With McPhee and Allen closing in from the outside, Goldmember closing the pocket in front of him …

  • willbest

    What did we get for our 5th? Consideration next year?

  • GPLDAN

    Langford Tubez

    Very Forte-like.

  • GPLDAN

    Don’t think Langford pick lights fire under Carey. I think it packs Carey’s bags and sends him to another franchise before summer concludes.

    Yes.

    Matty F, Jock Jizz and Langford.
    No room for small, short and slow.

  • Glad for Ajayi. Man, he was seriously considered a top 3 HB on many boards, but his medical dropped him to the 5th.
    It’ll be interesting to see how he holds up, but in the 5th, the Phins might’ve got a huge steal.
    Him and Miller with a read-option Tannehill will cause a lot of havoc.

  • GPLDAN
  • I guess POX is treating Shea as a 6th round ILB.
    A scrappy effort white LB who must contribute on specials in order to make the roster.

    So there you go, gang.

    With the 6th rd pick, #183rd overall, Bears select, ILB, Shea McCllelin, Boise St….

  • This is probably where we go CB/TE or maybe even FB. Maybe another NT? (If Rat and Goldman are the only ones).
    A KR/PR/Gunner a possibility.

    • GPLDAN

      Ego is a NT

      • I thought so too, but didn’t they list him as DE?
        I guess it doesn’t matter. I imagine a lot of those guys are gonna be all over the place.

      • Trac

        Pace is a GM!!!

  • What I like about this draft is not WTF? guys, like what Mike was talking about.

    No Hardin (Another converted CB china doll safety, WTF?)
    No Rodriguez (an Hback when we already have Clutts, WTF?)
    No Carey (Meh. Wtf?)
    No Vereen (We traded up for HIM, WTF?)
    and the ultimate WTF, Shea (Chandler Jones anyone?)

    Every guy we’ve drafted so far, I like their tape and more importantly, they seem to fit our needs and scheme.

    This is a very impressive first draft for the new regime, IMO.

    ILB and perhaps CB are the only glaring holes, but can’t fix everything in one off-season.

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      I can´t wait for undrafted free agents.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Let’s not put Vereen to pasture yet. He didn’t do anything spectacular, but maybe he wasn’t anything good because the coaching staff was crap.

      If Vereen doesn’t show promise this year, yeah, he’s done.

      • He could be OK. I just wasn’t impressed with his tape coming out of college (MB who’s also pretty good at evaluating Safeties concluded the same – meh – or JAG).

        This draft is almost an indictment of the past ones, really.

        They got their own late round HB and Safety to replace Carey and Vereen. They’ll say to “compete” but really it’s to replace.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He’s not beating out Amos or Mundy.

        • Doc Hamstring

          I’d be very happy if Amos won the starting job. Vereen was okay in spots. Amos being better than Vereen or Mundy means FS will not be a glaring weakness.

  • John Doe

    I would gamble on 6th round pick and take OT La’el Collins.

    Worth it.

    • Almost forgot about him.
      You know NFL teams have sent their own investigators, and the results must’ve been enough to keep them away.
      Also, the baby just died, so he not only (allegedly) murdered a pregnant woman, but a baby.

      I don’t think any franchise wants to be known as the first team to draft a baby killer.

      They better be absolutely certain he’s a victim of circumstance.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Not if what everyone says about the new CBA is true–he would sit out, and that pick would be lost. Bears would lose his rights, and he’d re-enter the draft next year.

      Not that a 6th-rounder is that valuable, but still, this team needs picks.

  • ILB Tawain Jones might be in play, but would be a purely special teams guy IMO.

  • Doc Hamstring

    Amos in the 5th was great value. I wonder if he’ll be good enough to challenge for the starting FS position? Right now it’s Vereen and… Mundy?

    • John Doe

      Amos will play in first year..not sure about starting.

      Starters will be Vereen and Rolle most likely. Mundy will be figure prominently in ST role which he enjoys.

      Amos will be slot corner in sub packages. He did that PSU and Fangio likes these hybrid type guys.

      • You think Vereen is going to supplant Mundy?
        I don’t think so.
        I think it’s going to be Rolle-Mundy

        Vereen and Amos will play specials and compete for those sub-packages, IMO.

        • John Doe

          Lead ST is a full-time role and Bears have no one. Also, both Rolle and Mundy are better at in the box, SS role and so there will be only one of them on the field. Vereen should be okay if he makes that second year jump.

    • Big Mike

      He will play. Slot corner most likely. Will push Vereen. Might overtake him. Great depth. Creating great competition with last year’s draft class in a couple spots.

  • willbest

    Wow 6 QBs in the first 5 rounds and only 2 of them above the 4th round. That is some shallow draft.

    edit: bleh list wasn’t order. Still nothing until round 3 means it was still pretty weak.

  • John Doe

    Dan Wiederer @danwiederer · 2m2 minutes ago

    Bears final pick of the 2015 NFL Draft: OT Tayo Fabuluje. Texas Christian.

    —-

    6’7″, 353 massive human being..

    SOURCES TELL US

    “His body language can be deceiving. When you watch him at a practice he looks like this oafish kid who doesn’t care, and then when you talk to him and watch the tape you see that’s not the case. I would love to see what he could do at about 335 pounds.” — NFC East area scout

  • Irish Sweetness

    Wow. Fab. 6’6, 353lbs. Is that our right tackle or what. What a draft. Needs addressed. A-plus

    Oh, they’re talking about him as guard?

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      he is a living wall, he eats LEOS during games.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Better than eating Legos

    • Mammoth. Just gotta make sure to keep him away from the twinkies.

    • Trac

      I’d like to meet his Taylor. He he.

      • SC Dave

        Traylor, you mean?

        • AlbertInTucson

          He doesn’t have a tailor. He has an Upholsterer.

          • Johnnywad

            I love that one. Beautiful Al.

          • AlbertInTucson

            AND, I didn’t even have to look up “Upholsterer’!

  • Irish Sweetness

    Jesus, he’s huge. Our goal-line problems are over, you just follow this guy in. Talk about a road-grader.

  • Big Mike

    Holy shit.. WTF is a

    Tayo Fabuluje

  • Irish Sweetness

    They already have all of the picks’ combine workout vidz on the mother site. Seeing Tayo at full sprint is a sight. Langford has great hands, not just on flares, but over the shoulder stuff down-field too.

    http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/index.html

    • John Doe

      Langford has played some WR. so him being a good pass catcher is not a surprise. He is a good blocker too.

      • SC Dave

        If he becomes as good as Forte, I will be ecstatic. Two in a row would awesome. ..

        Or better, two at the same time!

    • SC Dave

      Everyone has great hands on highlight reels

      • AlbertInTucson

        So,you’re saying Amari Cooper’s reel probably didn’t include and of his 4 drops in the LSU game…?

        • SC Dave

          Did it?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Kellen Davis had a great highlight reel. He could make some circus catches for all the vitriol against him. His problem was his head, and having other people around.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Pace on Goldman/Grasu

    http://www.chicagobears.com/media-lounge/videos/Pace-on-drafting-Goldman-Grasu/e41a630b-8a5e-4f6c-9fdb-2053d1b83789

    Pace thinks Grasu is an outstanding all-round person and likes him a lot, clearly. Sounds like a leader.

    Area scout breaks Grasu down.

    http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Bears-area-scout-on-Grasu/4da8263e-661d-4b37-bb11-4f76a106f600

  • Doc Hamstring

    Totally disagree with Jeff on Hundley, by the way. He’s dynamic. With the right coaching, he’ll be a more accurate Kap, a discount Mariota.

    I’m a bit of homer on UCLA guys, but Hundley’s good. I don’t think he’ll be good with Green Bay, because he’ll be gone after his rookie contract, and Rodgers is going to play at a high level for at least 4 more years.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    16-0 here we come.

    • John Doe

      Bears are not going anywhere until Jake Cutler is their QB.

      It is a long rebuild that won’t be complete until they find a competent QB who can use the talents of Alshon Jeffery and Kevin White.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        way to be such a Debbie Downer. Fart Knocker!

        • John Doe

          Blame Cutler not me.. He is the one who sets INT records and fumble records and is fickle about which WR he trusts.

          Just watch he will ignore even looking at Kevin White’s direction just like he ignored Alshon in his first year and kept throwing to Marshall whether he was open or not. This year it will be Eddie Royal in the favorite target role.

          And god forbid if Kevin White drops his first few passes.Cutler will forever lose trust in him and ignore him completely. Never seen such a cry baby QB.

          • EnderWiggin
          • Big Mike

            At this point bashing Cutler doesn’t add anything to the discussion here. 2014 was a terrible year. Cutler had a lot to do with not making it better, but he was not the source of the stink. That honor goes to the worst coach in the history of the Chicago Bears, who hired the worst DC in the history of the Chicago Bears, because nobody else would work for Tresticle.

            Cutler, a crybaby? That’s where you are taking this? There is zero evidence of that. Cutler might be a lot of things, but a crybaby? Nah. Does he force throws, does he hold the ball to long, yes. Does he have bad mechanics more often than you’d like to see? Certainly. At the same time there wasn’t a QB drafted in the last 2 years that wouldn’t have had a winning record for the Bears last year. I don’t even think any of them would have had more wins than the Bears did. Maybe 6-10.

            More importantly, draft time is a time for optimism.

          • Big Mike

            At this point bashing Cutler doesn’t add anything to the discussion here. 2014 was a terrible year. Cutler had a lot to do with not making it better, but he was not the source of the stink. That honor goes to the worst coach in the history of the Chicago Bears, who hired the worst DC in the history of the Chicago Bears, because nobody else would work for Tresticle.

            Cutler, a crybaby? That’s where you are taking this? There is zero evidence of that. Cutler might be a lot of things, but a crybaby? Nah. Does he force throws, does he hold the ball to long, yes. Does he have bad mechanics more often than you’d like to see? Certainly. At the same time there wasn’t a QB drafted in the last 2 years that wouldn’t have had a winning record for the Bears last year. I don’t even think any of them would have had more wins than the Bears did. Maybe 6-10.

            More importantly, draft time is a time for optimism.

          • SC Dave

            Rodgers with alshon brandon martellus and matt would have had us in the nfc championship

          • Big Mike

            Rodgers was not drafted in the last 2 years. If the Bears had drafted Rodgers they would have won multiple SBs. 2006, 2010, 2013?

          • SC Dave

            What the fuck does when rodgers was drafted have to do with what i wrote?

          • Big Mike

            The fuck it has to do with it, is in my original reply I said “there wasn’t a QB drafted in the last 2 years that would have had a winning record for the Bears last year. I don’t
            even think any of them would have had more wins than the Bears did.
            Maybe 6-10”

            So I thought you were responding to that.

          • SC Dave

            Ok, fair enough. Sounded to me like you were defending Cutler. And against people drafted in the last two years, I suppose you right. Against real QBs, not so much.

          • Big Mike

            I believe when evaluating Cutler you have to look at last season in perspective. Predicted to contend, the lack of leadership from the HC, game plans that made sense and a defense that was awful, turned it into the worst season in history. Cutler didn’t help, but I dont think he was the main problem.

            I don’t hate Cutler, I’m not in love with Cutlery. He is what he is. My opinion is that 2014 was a real bad year for him. Getting rid of him now, is selling low. A decent year by his standards and without the circus run by tresticle will improve his value substantially. That’s when the POX needs to start looking for dance partners. The calls to dump him at all costs are in my opinion typically emotion based rants, without much thought behind them.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Uh you are clearly missing the fact that Green Bay has competent coaches so that makes a huge difference

          • Johnnywad

            Jesus Dave. He’s a Hall of Fame Quarterback. He won one title and choked a bunch of play off games away. What’s your point? Rodgers is better than Cutler? So is Manning and Brady and Brees, et al. Let it go.

            Further, Mike’s post, which you replied to, specifically focused on the last two years drafts. Reel it in man.

          • beninnorcal

            How about Rodgers with our magical musical-chair O-line of ’14 and our historically terrible defense? I think you may be a bit off, Dave.

          • John Doe

            There have been years where Green Bay O-line has been as bad as Bears O-line. And Rogers still found a way to get it done and win.

          • SC Dave

            This

          • SC Dave

            I think not. Rodgers has not had a single line at GB better than any Cutler has had in Chicago.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Can you say “Beating a dead horse.”, children?

          • BearDown100393

            This weekend should really be about the draft and the new young guys who are now Bears. This is their moment and it is well earned. And IMO, GM Pace did a credible job in his 1st draft. Kudos all around.

          • SC Dave

            Yes, it looks good. On paper. Hopefully we have coaches able to translate it to the field.

          • Big Mike

            Right. Sort of my point

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Never seen such a crybaby fan…move on it’s a new season.

          • Doc Hamstring

            +1

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            This time of year is for hope and optimism, new FAs a good draft, what is there not to be hopeful for. But good for you for being that guy that can’t have any hope, or be happy that we just had a good draft. Do i think we are actually going 16-0? absolutely not. I am just happy that things are looking in the right direction for the organization. I am not sure why you can’t have a little hope, or why you hate Cutler so much? FYI, he is not the only reason we have SUCKED the last 2 years. Seriously did Cutty not respond to your love letters years ago? Seriously, you could have spent the day enjoying the draft and having a little fun but no you have to be the eternal pessimist. Its a new season move on. But you could not do that, you could not let others bask in this day. It is sad that you focus on Cutler so much even when so many good things have happened this off season. Btw, its not Cutler’s fault that you have impotency issues, or that you are in a loveless marriage, a dead end job. There are reasons to be hopeful just find them.

          • Scott W.

            Jay Christopher Cutler is the starting QB for the Chicago Bears.
            It’s 2015, and yesterday’s news is just that.

            Today, he is the QB I believe in. Not Marcus Mariota, not Jimmy Clausen. Just like you aren’t trapped in the mistakes you made yesterday or last year, neither is he.

            The reset button was pressed last December, with the final whistle. He is not just our best option. Right now, as far as I’m concerned, he’s the best fucking QB in the NFL.

            Now, Bear the fuck down, John. Here comes 2015, and Jay is going to show up for it, bringing that cannon of an arm with him.

          • beninnorcal

            Way to be a real Bears fan, Scott-Dub, I know you liked Mariota a lot, but I like your style, sir. Cheers.

          • Scott W.

            Thanks man. It’s the only way to be, at least for me. Getting all tangled up in what isn’t or what could be is a dead end road of endless bitching.

          • beninnorcal

            He set interception and fumble records? Interesting..

      • Trac

        This is very trollish JD. Time to hit the “reset” button. If Hillary could do it with Vlad, I know you can too. He he.

        • John Doe

          If speaking the truth is trollish, then so be it…

          • beninnorcal

            It’s ok, JD, feel free to root against #6 even though he’s the starting QB for your ‘favorite team’. I’m sure we’ll all be so happy if he’s terrible this year. But what if he’s not? That would really suck, huh? It would almost be like you’re full of shit and haven’t any idea what you’re talking about, huh?

          • SC Dave

            Oh gawd, dont start on that shit with the way they people here treated Grossman…

          • Trac

            New year new regime. I can’t believe Cutty won’t be better this year with a final fresh start.

          • What is he going to do, quit again?
            Cutty will be Cutty. I just hope he doesn’t compete with Winston for turnover king this year, and perhaps the new scheme and personnel can carry him like those Sherpas carried Homer Simpson.

      • BearDown100393

        I understand the frustration. The Bears really tried. But at the end of the proverbial day, no other team in the NFL wanted Cutler. He is the league’s unwanted step child. Emery made a pact with the devil and now the price has to be paid. But business must continue. This weekend isn’t about #6. It can’t be. And Pace and Fox Ltd. drafted players most seem to agree can help improve the team. These kids worked hard, rose to the top and are living the dream. Kudos. Perhaps the most remarkable aspect to this draft is how unremarkable the selections were made with little to no controversy. No pet projects. And no chronic injuries. No complete unknowns from near unknown small colleges. Rather refreshing and for a change, it seems fans should hold optimism for a brighter future. Rest assured, each passing day is one fewer with Cutler under contract with the Bears. Unlike Angelo/Smith (which did have early success) and of course the vial Emery/Trestman era, I’ll continue to insist that it is not business as usual at Halas Hall. At the end of this weekend, the Bears have a better roster in place than the one at the conclusion of last season. It is a start. And it is a good one.

        • beninnorcal

          But Beardown1000, what if, heaven-forbid, Cutler actually plays well this next season? What if he shaves 10 turnovers, adds a couple TD’s, as well as some yardage? What then? Impossible you say? I guess we’ll have to see but what if? I’m sure you’re not planning on that scenario, you are most certainly hoping for something different I’m sure.

          • John Doe

            Yea.. we have been waiting for that for 5 fucking years.

            Will be good if he plays well and lives up to his hype and contract and 2 first round picks and Orton that Bears gave up for him.

          • beninnorcal

            We gave up too much in the trade for sure, only Manning or Brady in their prime could’ve lived up to such a trade(doubtful they’d have been as successful on these same Bears under the previous regimes as their own IMO). With that said, Jay is still one of the best QB’s to be a Bear and will continue to break franchise passing records this year.

            But it’s ok to hate, JD, it’ll make you feel better. Fuck that guy, he sucks, he doesn’t smile enough, he’s not Aaron Rodgers. I love Aaron Rodgers, he’s so great. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers. Awesome.

          • BearDown100393

            What if the Cubs win a World Series? What if dog was spelled c-a-t? Don’t take this so personal. I have no impact on the inevitable outcome. Neither do you or anyone else here. We are all just witnesses. Nothing more. I’m burnt out on hope and change regarding Cutler. I’m not the only one either. Do I want the Bears to succeed? Yes. Am I encouraged by the progress of Pace and Fox Ltd.? Yes. Do I believe either Pace or Fox really want Cutler as the starting QB? No. Are we all collectively stuck with him for at least 2015? Yes. Do I think Cutler will be less of liability this season? Yes.

          • beninnorcal

            Just a simple question, I don’t really care anymore either, but I have a suspicion that several of you on here would, in fact, love to see him be even worse than last year. No one likes to be wrong.
            I just want to see my team succeed as well.

          • BearDown100393

            I’m a Bears fan. I’m not a Cutler fan per say. If that seems rather conflicting, perhaps it is. I am just being honest. However that should not be construed as active “rooting against” #6. I want the team to compete, do well and win. Last season was absolutely dreadful. Never had following the Bears seem like a chore but it became one. And never had a season seem so disappointing for fans, to the point of fragmenting its fan base. When has this ever really happened until now with Bears fans?

          • John Doe

            No. I just want him gone from Bears. I wish he does well with the next team and win 10 Super Bowls.

            Not interested in rooting for his failure. Just want him gone.

        • Joecashflow

          Well said. It’s like all the GM’s got together and said, we all do BPA.

    • *19-0

  • Now we just wait for Kendricks and Wilkerson to become FAs next year, and BAM.

  • John Doe

    Bears find UDFA Gem!!!


    shane carden @Capn_Carden5 · 12m12 minutes ago
    My journey has never been easy and that’s what makes me who I am, can’t wait for my opportunity in Chicago with the Bears #chipneverleft

    • what position?

    • Ah. RotoWorld

      Bears signed ECU QB Shane Carden.

      Carden (6’2/218) was named the American Conference’s
      Offensive POY by the league’s coaches as a senior after completing 66.6
      percent of his collegiate passes with an 86:30 TD-to-INT ratio. A
      scrambling threat at ECU, Carden added 24 rushing TDs, but has 4.94
      speed and isn’t a true dual threat. A weak-armed but tough prospect who
      will likely spend his NFL career holding a clipboard, Carden has been
      compared to Bruce Gradkowski by CBS Sports’ Dane Brugler.

    • Johnnywad

      Yeah. He’s top shelf.

      • beninnorcal

        I love when a QB’s description says ‘weak-armed’. You had ONE job! Nothing like a noodle-arm, huh?

        • Johnnywad

          Nothing says “Winner” like UDFA QB.

          • beninnorcal

            Agreed, I’m SURE he’ll turner out to be the next Warner. All kidding aside, it would be pretty funny if he did just to come back here and read this thread, especially if he ended up somewhere else. That would be a face palm moment.

        • Chad. Pennington.

  • Fuck, as much as I think Langford is talented, still wanted a basher. Zenner!!!

    Chargers signed South Dakota State RB Zach Zenner.
    Zenner (6’0/223) was a dominant three-year starter for the Jackrabbits, becoming the first player in FCS history to post three straight 2,000-yard rushing seasons. He averaged 5.99 YPC as a senior and caught 28 passes. Behind only Ameer Abdullah, Zenner posted the second highest SPARQ score in this year’s running back class, clocking 4.6-flat in Indy with a 41-inch vertical and 10-foot-1 broad jump. An intelligent (35 Wonderlic) one-cut back with workhorse potential, Zenner was quietly one of the best inside runners we viewed on pre-draft tape, demonstrating impressive balance and powerful tackle-breaking skills. – Roto

  • I hope we have a plane ready in case he’s cleared.

    Profootballtalk reports LSU G/T La’El Collins “plans to sign with a team after he is cleared.”
    It’s really Collins’ only option, so it’s not surprising. Collins is meeting with Baton Rouge police on Monday. Assuming that meeting goes the way it’s supposed to, he could have an NFL team as early as Monday evening. – roto

    • AlbertInTucson

      If/when he’s cleared, teams will be lined up to sign him. GOOD teams. CONTENDING teams. AAs neither of those description currntly deacribes the Chicago Bears, there is absolutely no reason to believe the Bears would be on Collins’ Wish List.

      • AlbertInTucson

        On the other hand, COULD the Bears up the ante on this equation with a deal worthy of someone who got drafted in an early round as opposed to an undrafted FA deal…?

        • John Doe

          Can’t do that. There is a limit on how much a team can spend on UDFAs and how much UDFA get paid. He cannot ask for anything he wants to sign with a team. For example, he cannot ask give me 400k bonus.

          • I wonder if there’s ways around that though. For example, maybe a team approaches him and tells him, “OK. Here’s the deal. We’ll give you a one year maximum contract, and next year as a free agent we’ll sign you as a first rounder, but you have to give us your word you won’t bolt to another team.”

      • Depends. Other” contending” teams may not have a hole at RT (they are contending Afterall, which means they likely field a good line). Maybe he wants a crack at LT, that might entice him. Coukd be he just clicks w the bears. I’ll hold out hope, but if i were him, Indy

    • Irish Sweetness

      As a UDFA you’ve got to sign the guy. What are they waiting for?

  • John Doe

    Adam Jahns @adamjahns · 5m5 minutes ago
    Adrian Amos is a safety first for the #Bears, but could be moved around in sub packages.

    Rich Campbell @Rich_Campbell · 9m9 minutes ago
    Pace on Amos: Coverage versatility (played CB & S), high character guy.

  • John Doe

    Zach Zaidman @ZachZaidman · 4m4 minutes ago
    Pace: “We’re not done.”

  • John Doe

    Zach Zaidman @ZachZaidman · 4m4 minutes ago
    Pace on why a QB wasn’t drafted: “We’re excited about college free agency.”

    Jeff Dickerson @ESPNChiBears · 3m3 minutes ago
    On why #Bears didn’t draft a QB – Pace tells us it never lined up right. Will sign an UDRFA QB.

    • Johnnywad

      Thanks John. We have the internet too.

      • beninnorcal

        His Internet is waaaaay better though.

        • Johnnywad

          I believe it’s Twitter exclusive.

          • beninnorcal

            I think it may also be crack-pipe-dream exclusive which may be even amazingly awesome-er.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well I give him big props for reportedly making such a huge push for Mariota. Sounds like TENN wasn’t going to budge.

      So we go with Cutty again and hopefully he has one of his better years. Fales may get a longer look in the pre-season.

      • Chip and Pace took a stroll to Beverly Hills. “How much is that?” They asked.”
        “Whatcha u got?”
        “Never mind.”

        • BerwynBomber

          So are you still thumbs down on Mariota. I’m still cautiously thumbs up but I agree with Dilfer that Whisenhunt’s plan to start from Day One could be madness. For a guy who never dropped back from center once in college? Yikes …

          • I’ve said from the start that it depends where he lands, and I agree with you. I think he needs a redshirt year. Even Peyton struggled his rookie year throwing 28 INTs, and he was light-years ahead of Mariota.

            To throw Mariota into the fire like that is madness, especially when they have Mettenberger who they might want to show off for a trade.

            I’m still a little baffled by Mariota, to be honest.

            We know all the negatives, and I am HIGHLY suspect about read-option QBs, but Mariota does seem somehow different. His character and desire is through the roof, and he has proven he can take care of the ball, which reveals great decision making under pressure (played in a lot of high pressure games).

            Will that be enough to overcome a lifetime of habits? I don’t know really. I’m leaning towards “No” – I think he might fall somewhere between Kap-Wilson, perhaps another Tannenhill, which isn’t too shabby.

  • John Doe

    NFL Draft Diamonds @DraftDiamonds · 22m22 minutes ago
    Chad Hamilton from Coastal Carolina to the Bears I like it

    • beninnorcal

      Wait minute, John Doe, I thought your sources from the Twitterverse were promising a monster trade that would send Cutler packing. Maybe there’s still hope, huh?

      • BerwynBomber

        You’re gloating? Honestly?

        Pace tried to trade Cutler. Even up until two days ago. I think he would trade Cutler five minutes before the season opener if an offer is made.

        • beninnorcal

          Not gloating, just giving JD shit for constantly linking rumors from Twitterverse. And like I said, Berwyn, maybe there’s still hope, huh?

          • BerwynBomber

            I never thought it would get it done. And yes I am hopeful Cutty plays well this year (hell, I was last year too). But why you have to troll another DBB poster on this site about Cutler when he is posting something about an OL from Coastal Carolina is a bit beyond me?

          • beninnorcal

            Because I’ve been putting up with said posts for the past 5 months. He’s been trolling us with this bullshit for months, constantly posting meaningless rumors from Twitter. And you’re gonna call me out for a few comments? Come on, dude

          • BerwynBomber

            Just scroll by his Twitter stuff. Some of it is decent. He had the Brandon Marshall right. And it is not like Pace didn’t attempt to unload Cutty.

            Anyway, this stuff isn’t even about Cutty. I know you’re a big fan of #6 and get defensive about him but these tweets aren’t even about Jay.

          • beninnorcal

            I know it isn’t about Cutty, my point was that the majority of what he’s posted, outside of the Marshall trade, wasn’t accurate. Just because one thing was true doesn’t make the other 75% of his posts true.
            Regarding Cutler, I really don’t get defensive, just feel like he takes way more than his share of the blame over the last couple seasons. People like JD were desperate to see him go and I’m just being a dick about it is all. If Cutler were traded tomorrow I’d be the last to cry about it, but I’d be very curious to see the backup plan. Say what you will about Cutler, more interesting to watch him under center than a whole season of Clausen, IMHO though.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah fair enough about Cutty. I get branded a “hater” though I really don’t consider myself one. The dude is a competent NFL starter — no small thing — whose strengths and flaws are somewhat extreme and tend to cancel each other out.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If we got Collins and put him at RT, things could get interesting. A solid line. Good backs, good targets. Hopefully a solid defense. Cutty would have zero excuses and would have to go out of his way to have a bad year. If we get Collins, Cutty will have a good year.

          • Johnnywad

            Marshall getting traded was being hammered over and over and over before the season even ended by Dan Bernstein. The problem with JDs twitter regurgitation is that the majority of it is searched out from the nether regions of the web. Its mostly culled to fit what he hopes the Bears will do. He then takes victory laps around it as though it has already happened and he was the only one that could string it together. For instance, Chris Ballard was no doubt the next GM, Cutler was certainly gone, and Forte was going too. Its just bad form and doesn’t sit well with some.of us. Its douchey. Then, at some point it turns into this.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I guess I’m missing it. But I don’t follow Bears news tweets anywhere so a lot of JD’s rumors are news to me — see the two most recent examples.

            In terms of the BMarsh, well c’mon … Blogfather (and others) were calling Bernstein’s reports BS right up till the day the trade happened.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So Mayweather’s camp, apparently, banned those two giants of sports journalism, Rachel Nichols and Michele Beadle, from getting credentials for the fight tonight.

    .Wouldn’t it have been easier for Mayweather’s guys to just hang out a sign that says

    “Yep! Floyd IS a Misogynist.”

    • BearDown100393

      I read this also earlier and apparently there is some dispute (I know… go figure) regarding the validity of at least one of those claims.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Seems to be some question about whether HBO restored Beadle’s status but even if it’s only true of one of them, it was INCREDIBLY stupid to turn a spotlight on that situation.

        • BearDown100393

          I absolutely agree. If having to pick on the side with more credibility, my vote goes to the reporter.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Can’t you just hear Floyd: “Tell them bitches they can’t cover mah fight.”

    • BerwynBomber

      Go Pacman, though I give him little chance.

    • We’re going to find out if Jungs collective unconscious does indeed exist because all of humanity will be cheering for Pac to beat him like AP beats his kids.

    • Scott W.

      Misogyny! Can I get chips with that?

  • NewBearInTown

    I’m happy with Pace’s draft. But I also think folks assume that everyone will make the team when that usually doesn’t happen. A really great draft would mean:
    – Kevin White is putting up 1000 yards every season by 2016 and 800+ his rookie year
    – Goldman becomes the starting NT when Raitliff leaves and holds down that spot for 3-4 years after
    – Grasu does the same at center
    – One of the remaining three picks becomes a quality starter (ideally Amos)

    • If Langford proves he can be a workhorse in the NFL, that would also make Forte expendable and save the Bears like $5M in cap space going forward.
      POX may prefer the committee backfield.

      • John Doe

        this will be Forte’s last year in Chicago. Langford will spot him and get used to NFL. Apparently, the new RB coach, Stan Drayton from OSU, likes him a lot.

        And if Bears can land OSU’s Ezekiel Elliot next year the Elliot and Langford will be a great 1-2 punch.

        • SC Dave

          Oh god, stop the idiocy. You don’t get rid of your best player. It’s stupid. Always *fucking stupid*.

          • John Doe

            The real idiocy is to think Forte will be the same Forte next year, the year after and on and on..

          • that wall hits hard for RBs. LDT dropped off a cliff. So did a lot of other guys at about the point in their careers Forte will be at after this year, both in terms of age and mileage.

      • NewBearInTown

        Seattle drafted replacements for Lynch every year. Lynch just kept being too productive to cut. Matt Forte was the best player on this time last year; he was the best offensive player by a wide margin. Kyle Long was great, Jeffery was good, Bennett was good, a few defensive guys were okay. Forte was great pretty much every game.
        Don’t assume he’s replaceable just because he’s 30.

        • Yes, but sometimes teams simply move on gambling on cutting a player a year too early rather than a year too late.

          The 9ers let Gore go in much the same way even though they know that Hyde probably won’t be as productive this season.

          Lynch is not just another HB. He’s the heart and soul of that team. Forte, while productive, is not.

          I like Forte, but I think this new regime will go committee unless Forte signs a very team friendly deal.

          • SC Dave

            Getting rid of Forte “too early” would brand this regime as incompetent.

          • John Doe

            what dumb comment and thinking…

            Forte will only go downhill from here onwards.

            Forte’s best days are over. It is sheer idiocy and stupidity to not recognize this.

            Am glad Pace and Fox know Forte is close to done and not talking to him about another contract.

          • you know who routinely gets rid of guys “too early”? New England. They draft the replacement a year or two in advance and are ready to move on when the time is right.

            The Bears will move on from Forte after this year, which is EXACTLY what they should do. He’ll hit 30 years old and 2400 career touches this year, two historical markers of a steep RB decline.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not if they got a high draft pick for him. You get a second rounder for him ? That’s cost price after a lot of depreciation. That’s genius.

        • SC Dave

          Damn, at least one other person on this blog recognizes the best player on the team. YOU DONT GET RID OF YOUR BEST PLAYER. The stupidity of it all amazes me.

          • John Doe

            The real stupidity is thinking that the best player will remain best player for ever regardless of his age.

            Forte will start running out of gas in his tank this year and will be junk next year.

            It is stupid to not start thinking of replacing him.

            It is stupid to give him another contract.

    • John Doe

      Kevin White’s success is dependent on Cutler during his rookie year.

      Cutler has a hard time trusting any WR except Marshall.. and this year his favorite target will be Eddie Royal.

      And if Kevin White starts off the first few games of the season dropping some of his passes, then forget about Kevin White hitting 1,000 yards in his rookie year. He won’t even look in his direciton.

      Matt Ryan got more out of Devin Hester last year than Cutler did in his 2-3 years with Hester. Apparently, Cutler could not “trust” Hester. And he could not “trust” Santonio Holmes last year despite him being wide open many, many times. Would not even look in his direciton. Alshon had same experience with Cutler in his rookie year. He just would not even look in Alshon’s general direction. Here is an example from one game during Alshon’s rookie season:

      Alshon Jeffery was so open it hurts!

      • Johnnywad

        Last year Alshon had 145 targets. Forte was next with 130,. Bennet had 128. Marshall was like 100.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Once again, I have to ask you to refrain from muddying the waters with things like facts.

          • SC Dave

            Well, he did write about Alshon’s *rookie* season, which was not supported by any facts Johnny put up there.

          • Waffle

            Alshon got off to a quick start, broke his hand against JAX came back and immediately got hurt again with a knee and then had his epic pass interference game in GB. If anyone can someone blame a tough rookie season on Cutler it’s our loyal fans on this blog.

          • Jeffery had his first 100 yard game in week 4 of his sophomore campaign (2013, against NO, 200+ yards). He’s got more targets from Cutler than Marshall since then when they’re both on the field.

            But yeah, Cutler ONLY throws to Marshall.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Cutty started blanking Brandon, no question.

      • I don’t think it’s a matter of “trust”. Cutler simply locks on to his “primary” target, whoever that is. He then will proceed to throw it into triple coverage, chuck jump balls, or go immediately from primary target to “dump off” without going through his 2nd and 3rd option.

        Maybe he’s been David Carred – maybe he doesn’t trust his Oline enough to look at the 2nd/3rd option even when the Oline does give him time. Or maybe he’s simply a football bimbo.

        • Waffle

          when you don’t hold someone accountable for blatantly misstating actually history they will feel emboldened to continue to do it.
          Do you want to bring up the fucking stats on Hester and the circumstances of his WR performances under various O coordinators or do i have to do it?

          • Cutler DOES lock on to his primary target too much.
            I’m not gonna defend Hester as a #1, or Tice, or the horrible Oline, but Cutler has a lot of bad habits that don’t go away. Locking onto his primary target is one of them.

            He needs to go through his progessions more quickly and hit them in stride, but he tends not to do that consistently. It’s something every coach has been trying to fix, and every coach has failed to do.

          • Waffle

            i’m talking about John Doe speaking in a matter of fact about facts that don’t support what Hester and Cutler accomplished together and what Hester accomplished with Ryan.

            I’m going to let it go but selectively forgetting what actually happened during Hester and Alshon’s yrs as WR before and after the appearance of Marshall and accounting for the lack of TE support and the OC scheme at the time is bullshit and laughable.

          • Scott W.

            Let’s not forget that Hester, if we focus on him that season, wasn’t exactly known for his route running abilities (cough, cough)…or his playbook absorption skills…or his ability to stop talking to Neon Deion during practices…Devin wasn’t exactly a polished WR, and he got the job by demanding it. Everyone remember the wheel barrow ride at training camp? That was also about the time he sorta took a nap on returns.

            But hell yes, it was Cutler’s fault.

          • Waffle

            dude, he had 51 catches in 2009, over 40 in 2010, 28 or so in 2011 etc. He was demoted to 4th string in 2012 and still caught 23 balls. what narrative of not using him are you guys using?

            He was demoted in 2013 completely off of offense.

            Cutlers fault for what exactly? he was used for whatever he could offer and they still got production from him… it just wasn’t professional consistent WR production…. because he’s not a WR.

          • Scott W.

            Well, “DUDE”, what I recall is that he had a LOT of trouble learning the routes, which could have zip to do with his number of catches. It was even brought up in post game pressers. Those short over the middle shots and screens count, but they don’t.

            I’m not saying Hester was a shit receiver, short and distracted though he was. I’m saying he was dim. Does that make it better?

            Ah, hell with it. I’ll go look it up, since I’m getting called out…..back soon.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll say it then. Hester was a shit receiver, being serviced by an inaccurate QB.

          • Scott W.

            and the Cutler’s “fault line” was sarcasm. It dripped with it. You’re a sarcastic guy, why didn’t you catch it?

            “dude”……..crimminy….I hate that tag. I’d rather be called old foggy. So next time yer jumpin’ my shit, use that.

          • Waffle

            Was tired and had been on the road for hours. My mistake sir.

          • Waffle

            So it looks like we agree that the whole Hester, Alshon, Cutler wr trust comment by Doe doesn’t hold water

          • Scott W.

            Yes, I just took the brilliant tack of arguing that you were right. With you.
            I was up way too late. Past warm milk and bed time.
            At that point, I rule incoherence.

          • Scott W.

            At all. Yeah, we agree, because I actually looked at the facts instead of deciding I knew them already. I embarrassed myself, hard as that is to admit.

            And I deserved the dreaded “Dude” tag….

          • Scott W.

            Sometimes, neurons are not my friends.

            Dude.

          • John Doe

            You are proving my point.

            Hester was bad WR. And yet Matt Ryan got more out him than Cutler could. Ryan did not not stop looking at him.

            It is on the QB. QBs can and do make receivers better.

          • Waffle

            did you not fucking watch games in 2009, 2010 and 2011??????

          • SC Dave

            Peyton Manning made careers doing that

          • Waffle

            Peyton Manning will go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of professional football.
            Ryan didn’t get anything more out of Hester than anyone else. Jesus.

          • “Matt Ryan got more out him (Hester) than Cutler could. ”

            Hester in 2014 w/ Ryan: 38 catches, 504 yards, 2 TDs

            Hester averages from 2008-10 with Cutler: 49 catches, 632 yards, 3 TDs

            Not to mention Atlanta deployed Hester properly, as a 4th WR who never did anything more than use his speed in the open field, be it on deep routes or screens. He wasn’t mis-cast as a lead weapon.

            It’s the role Hester had early in 2012, when Marshall/Jeffery/Bennett were the top trio, but then Jeffery and Bennett both got hurt. In the first 6 games, he had 4 catches of 20+ yards on 20 targets. Zero on 18 targets in the last 10.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Uh-oh. There’s those pesky FACTS, again.

          • I mean, you can argue Hester produced more efficiently with Ryan in Atlanta than Cutler, which is true. But again, I’d argue that’s more due to using him properly than anything else. The Falcons had 3 quality WRs and Hester was just used in specific packages with plays that fit his strengths.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Two completely different rosters tough, hard to compare, as well as being pointless.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Meg Ryan is a more accurate QB. It’s as simple as that, Deployment? Mobody was doubling Hester on the Bears – and they should have been, because his only job should have been route one. That’s when you are a threat, not catching 1-yard bubble-screens.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Preach it. Let’s see Jerry Rice’s numbers if he’s drafted by the Browns.

        • Scott W.

          The “David Carred”….I used that right after the now infamous Giants game, and a few times later in that same “Cutler-as-Crash-Test-Dummy” season. So you owe me some kind of copyright fees, I just can’t find my calculator right now.

          Oh, nevermind. Stoopid Public Domain laws…..

      • Waffle

        I’m going to be kind here and simply assume you fell asleep from 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and are simply parroting what someone may have said about Hester and Cutler.

        Long story short about your Ryan/Hester Cutler/Hester nonsense is that you’re completely wrong.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Do you want a cookie or something?

      • Fox/Gase will have a shit-load of plays drawn up for White. He’s their new toy. You don’t unwrap your new GI JOEs at Xmas then let them sit in a drawer.

        If they’re smart, they’ll use White in much the same way the Vikes used Harvin. Bubble screens, slants, reverses, heck, maybe a little read option and him at HB, White’s got that type of running ability.

        My only concern is with those slants. Cutty rarely hit the twin towers in stride. They often had to contort their bodies to make the catch.

        White runs a 4.35.. he’s going to be a blur running across the middle. Just hope Jay can hit him in stride because if he can, White is gone.

        • The other thing I think Cutler will do well with White is hit him down the field.
          Bmarsh and Alshon usually had CBs draped all over them.
          White will be two steps ahead of CBs or Safeties streaking down the field while Cutler unleashes his cannon (as long as it’s the old Cutty and not the constipated ’14 one).

          • SC Dave

            Wishful thinking, I predict. I mean, I hope you’re right, but I *really* doubt it.

        • White runs fast, but he doesn’t run routes fast. He’s fast on the go route or once the ball is in his hands. Otherwise doesn’t play very fast because he’s not refined on his routes yet. That pick was a vote of confidence in Mike Groh.

          • Well, he’s no Amari Cooper on his routes yet, but I can tell you as a former WR, running a slant is perhaps the easiest route there is. Just shed the jam, and go, it’s not like a comeback route or stick-and-go.

            Edit. The ROUTE is easy, but having the balls to cross the middle didn’t used to be, though now it’s not as big a deal cuz LBs and Safeties can’t destroy a WR anymore.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And what makes anyone think that Cutty suddenly becomes an accurate passer in his thirties ?

      • Scott W.

        But before I go wipe the Waffle off of my face, let me just add that a receiver being “open” in the 2.5 seconds a QB has to release the pigskin from his grasp is NOT a measure of misusing a receiver. There are actual plays called. Plays that require certain receivers to be in points A, B, C, D, and so forth, which is then where the ball is to appear. There’s something about progressions in there somewhere, which I think Butch addressed nicely inre Cutler and his.

        That said, it takes TIME to find open receivers, and during Hester’s tenure as a WR with Chicago, it might be my crappy memory, but I don’t remember him exactly having all day to scan the horizon for open receivers. What I recall is him running for his fucking life 7 out of every 10 or so snaps.

        But who gives a rats ass what I think?

      • Cutler targeted Jeffery and Marshall virtually identical amounts from Alshon’s breakout game in week 4 of 2013 on when both were playing. In 2013, Cutler targeted Marshall 83x and Jeffery 77x from week 4 on. In 2014, he targeted Jeffery 125x and Marshall 105x in the first 14 games (when they both played). So in fact Jeffery got more targets from Cutler than Marshall did in 2014 when they were on the field together.

        Please stop with this extremely old and not remotely true theory.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        god you are an idiot.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I can’t see how his smallest target becomes his favorite. He likes to put it up for grabs, and has been blessed with Brandon for so many years. Kevin will see a lot of single coverage and I think he becomes Cutty’s BFF.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Your nice input about the draft just got unnecessary roughness towards you by an unhealthy, overly obsessed “Chater”. This is why we can’t have nice things…or discussions

      • Scott W.

        We can’t have nice things? God, I was pretty happy with the draft until you typed THAT……

    • Irish Sweetness

      I see all of that happening this season. And I was hoping they’d keep Tyo at 350 and use him in goal-ine/short situations. Dude is unblockable at the weight/momentum.

  • Anyhow, I’m not gonna ruin football Xmas discussing the Grinch. We all know what we’re going to get in him, so onward and upwards…

    Bears signed UCLA S Anthony Jefferson.
    Jefferson (6’1/198) made 25 starts for UCLA, earning a second-team All-Pac 12 pick by the conference’s coaches as a senior. He recorded three career interceptions. A good college player who will likely struggle to transition, Jefferson ran 4.72 at the Combine with a 33 1/2-inch vertical and 9-foot-8 broad jump. Jefferson could perhaps carve out playing time as a dime linebacker. His best NFL fit is on special teams. – Roto

  • BerwynBomber

    The Cheese taking Hundley seems odd. Rodgers is too mobile and small/slight to last as long as Peyton or Brady but at the same time 31 isn’t ancient for an elite QB. Unless Cheese are going back the old Ron Wolf philosophy of draft a QB every year.

    • SC Dave

      Maybe he is the equivalent to Rodgers waiting for Favre….

  • BerwynBomber

    Dang, the Vikings had ten picks?

  • Floyd has to be the most annoying and pesky boxer of all time, and that’s saying something.

    • BerwynBomber

      I still think a guy like Leonard would have destroyed him. But hey, bar argument stuff.

      • SC Dave

        Leonard was the least likable sports figure of my lifetime.

        • BerwynBomber

          I was talking a hypothetical boxing match. Not a hypothetical popularity contest.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I can’t believe all the hype over these two seniors fighting, or that folk are paying those prices.. I didn’t even watch it. Boxing has been replaced.

      McGegor v Aldo. That’ll be a fight. A quick one.

  • beninnorcal

    Anyone watching the fight? I’m not and am wondering how things are going

    • GPLDAN

      is there an espn ticker or something?

      • beninnorcal

        Hmm, that’s probably something I should be looking into but was too lazy.

  • beninnorcal

    So Mayweather by decision then? 116-112? That’s what I heard, anyone hear differently?

    • Big Mike

      Fight was boring. There were a couple rounds that were interesting. But all in all it was Mayweather jabbing and running away. He was efficient, clearly won the fight, but for other than the most interested boxing fans who can break down every sequence of punches, it was blah.

      • beninnorcal

        Thanks, Mike, doesn’t sound as if I missed out on much

        • Big Mike

          Well, I spent a hundred to watch it, put out a spread that probably cost a couple hundred, had a bunch of my buddies over, we drank, beer, ate, talked about the draft. And oh yeah had the fight on. So a good night. But just not because of the fight.

          • beninnorcal

            Well all that other stuff made for the good night, the hundo you dropped on the fight was worth it to get everyone together. I don’t mind spending money in that manner either. Good friends, good food, and good drink. Money well-spent, Mike.

          • Big Mike

            A no lose situation. FYI a bunch of Skins fans. They don’t understand why “we” hate cutler so much, and how we ever hired Trestman. Their take is Chicago should love a QB with a “fuck you” attitude. The other moment was basically your team gave up 28 points a game and ran a defense that would get picked apart by HS coaches (note several HS coaches in attendance) and you are worried about Cutler.

            Interesting to hear their take.

            Not sure how much it’s worth, because no matter how many years in arow the Redskins suck, they regularly predict a return to glory in May. :). And also a great deal of alcohol was consumed

          • GPLDAN

            That Daily Show episode where some Native Americans showed up a Redskins parking lot on tailgate Sunday morning and it got violent was a wake-up call. Really changed how I view Skins fan.

          • Big Mike

            Here’s the argument on the name. In general, people don’t buy that it’s offensive. In fact if it weren’t for the Washington Redskins, the awareness of the word would plummet to near Zero. Everything the Washington Redskins have done relative to the name has a positive connotation. Fans drinking at a tailgate party (BTW the tailgating at Fedex Field is phenomenal), is the most potentially volatile place for any discussion of the name to take place. Like questioning Walter Payton’s integrity.

            The other point related to the name, is the idea that changing the name will somehow make one tiny bit of difference in the plight of Native American Indians. Native American Indians don’t really care about the issue, until poked about it.

            Personally, I don’t care. Changing the name would just take time to get accustomed to. Took my Dad 20 years to stop calling Pulaski Avenue, Crawford. Took 5-10 years for the Bullets to become the Wizards. People got over the Colts, becoming the Ravens. My take is they should change the name.
            Snyder won’t lead the charge until forced, because he’s a fanboy.

            I always think about what my reaction would be, to changing the Bears’ name.

          • beninnorcal

            I consider the whole thing a non-issue being pushed by the PC police. Native Americans have much bigger fish to fry.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I get where they’re coming from though. 500 nations were exterminated, and they still have to look at the Redskins logo. Their braves were scalped, the women were raped and then had their vaginas cut out, and the soldiers would stretch them over the horns of their saddles as trophies. I don’t know what they peddle for history in American High Schools, but something tells me they don’t read Dee Brown’s ‘Bury my heart at Wounded Knee’, much like English kids won’t be enlightened with Oliver Cromwell’s deeds on his Irish tour.

          • beninnorcal

            My brother is a huge Skins fan, and that return to glory thing fits the bill with him. My view on Cutler is the same, especially last year, he was like the deck chairs on the Titanic.

          • Big Mike

            So, we will wait and see. Here’s what I would guarantee. Cutler will be better next year and the Bears will win more than 5 games. I think this coaching staff with last year’s team would have won 8 games. I can think of 3 games that were Tresticled.

      • I caught some of it. It was to be expected.
        I don’t get it. Mayweather wins by not being knocked out and landing a few jabs? I never understood how that’s “winning.”
        If I were boxer, I would just stand in the middle of the ring and not punch for 12. Just cover up. See what happens.

      • if they want to make boxing more exciting, they should make hugging as an escape mechanism a penalty. Fight your way out.

  • Irish Sweetness
    • Trac

      I liked reading that. Again, can’t wait to see what an all star coaching staff can do. I’ll be happy with a 6-10 smash mouth season.

    • FantuzPhysics

      I liked the draft a lot, but I don’t believe they actually rigidly adhered to their “big board” and ignored need.

      • Big Mike

        I think they did adhere to the board. 4 of their 6 picks were essentially the same positions as their draft last year. If you are drafting NEED, you don’t do that.

        • I think he had “need” in the back of his mind. For example, Pace stated that they DID consider HB a need,

          “Next the topic turned to the running back position. Was it considered a need?

          Pace: “We did have it as a need. We did. But again, honestly, it was still player (available) and he was the best player on the board so that’s one of those situations
          where it kind of worked out hand-in-hand.”

          and it’s no secret that S has been a need since Mike Brown went down.

          I’m glad he considered HB a need because I did too. It shows he’s thinking ahead.

          IMO, he saw the roster, looked at Forte’s contract and Carey and decided it was a need. He was very patient with S. Maybe after the G-men gave an arm and a leg to trade up for Collins, POX didn’t see much of a difference.

          • Big Mike

            That’s the probable scenario in a disciplined draft room. You don’t reach based on need. But the make up your draft room board I would imagine is influenced by need.

            I don’t know what to make of Carey, or Vereen for that matter. The competition should sort itself out. Tie goes to the guys just drafted. But I don’t get the sense that Pace will pressure Fox to keep his choices over Emery. Fox has the gravitas, to make the case that x is better than y, whichever way it goes.

            Giants might think they are a player or two away.

            With the load of UDFAs they brought in, camp will be crowded. The guys at the bottom of the roster last year, will need to be better to stick. Hell, 2/3rds of our defensive starters and rotational players are on notice. After having performed like “bodies”, they can be replaced with cheaper, younger “bodies”. My whole believe going back to the middle of last year, is that the talent on the team, was far, far better than what the coaching staff got out of it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Eyeball test, Mike. Ever see anything from Carey or Vereen that made you sit up?
            No doubt Amos and Langford are moved up quickly. We can plug Amos in anywhere: FS, nickle/dime slots, Corner even. Perry looks like nothing, Carey looks kinda slow.

            I think the competition in camp will be crazy at most positions – like we haven’t seen in years. With another draft like that – and hopefull some extra high picks – we could indeed be looking at a contender the season after next, yes, with Jay Christopher Cutler.

          • Big Mike

            Vereen showed some flashes. Hard to evaluate our secondary last season. Carey really never got a chance. I mean when Forte runs the ball 6 times in a game, what room is their for the #2 back.

            I just hate waste. No big concern for either guy. But Vereen was supposed to have promise, and Carey was just lights out in college.

      • Scott W.

        I think Pace said it all: You never know how successful a draft is until 2-3 years down the road.

  • John Doe
    • GPLDAN

      He’s country strong!

      They had him a Top 25 player

  • GPLDAN

    Jeff,

    Here’s the twitter feed of the junior schmuck who gave the Bears Draft Grade a B, and has your job:

    https://twitter.com/jamesneveau

    Go to work.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Profile reads: Crappy golfer, good opinion haver
      Profile photo- nerd up in the bleachers with his laptop open.

      I guess not having anyone wanting to talk to you in HS, will foster the legend-in-hid-own-mind delusion.

      ’nuff?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Oh Jesus.

        James Neveau @JamesNeveau · 5h5 hours ago

        I’ve watched the Matt Beleskey goal a few times, and I can’t get over how perfectly weighted the Ryan Kesler pass on it was. Great play.0 retweets 0 favorites

        I am nothing.But if I Tweet, than I shall be.

  • John Doe

    Good work by Pace and team in UDFA market so far. Now go and land La’El Collins somehow.
    Bears seem to have raided TCU big time.

    Chicago Bears UDFAs:
    Brian Vogler TE Alabama
    Rick Lovato LS Old Dominon
    Levi Norwood WR Baylor
    Jeremiah Deter K Toledo
    Olsen Pierre DL Miami (FL)
    Shane Carden QB ECU
    Tony Pierson RB Kansas
    Chad Hamilton OL Coastal Carolina
    Jacoby Glenn CB UCF
    AJ Jefferson S UCLA
    Cam Jefferson OL Arkansas
    Bryce Callahan CB Rice
    John Timu ILB Washington
    Jonathan Anderson LB TCU
    Sam Carter S TCU

    • hmmm I wonder what the TCU connection’s about? Sometimes what happens is you go see one guy, then simply start taking notice of other dudes (that’s how Long got drafted).
      No names stick out like last year’s Christian Jones. If we can possibly get an upgrade at KR/PR/Gunner and find one other gem from that group, I’d be good.

      • ahhh. from Irish’s link.

        “Drafting someone with the backstory Fabuluje has isn’t easy. How did Pace and company navigate it en route to drafting Tayo?

        Pace: “Our area scouts are excellent with that. Josh (Lucas) lives in Dallas, or he did, so he has alot of relationships at TCU. And then our offensive line coach Dave Magazu has relationships with that school too. It was a combination of acouple of things where we had some in’s to help us through that process.”

      • John Doe

        Levi Norwood and Tony Pierson have good speed and returning experience. Pierson is RB/WR/KR and fast.

        John Timu could excel as ST player. Sam Carter is a big Safety. I will watch these four more than others.

  • Also, as much as Carey makes me shrug “meh”, I still think we have to keep him on the roster and give him time to develop and opportunity to shine. He did look somewhat effective in limited snaps.

    Rodgers is on a 1yr minimal contract. He’s a 3rd down specialists. Forte and now Langford are 3rd down backs.

    Who knows? Maybe Carey can excel, though I would’ve preferred a flier like Zenner to compete for those short yd situations (and specials).

    • GPLDAN

    • Fox loves running back by committee. He wants guys with different skill sets who complement each other. Carey and Langford have very different running styles.

      I think Langford challenges Rodgers more than Carey in terms of a roster spot if they only keep 3 RBs. I’m guessing they keep 4 though, with the goal being that ideally Carey/Langford are the 1-2 punch in 2016.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hopefully we’ll draft the supposed #1 back nest season. Langford looks good though.

  • further post-draft musings…So I thought I understood the Oline philo now after they drafted Grassu, an athletic technician who excels in zone – so, ok, that’s the type of Olinemen Gase wants.
    Then they go and kick the tires on 6’7 350 Tayo, and I’m like, “What?”. I know Tayo has decent feet for a big man, but still, he’s not exactly a prototypical zone blocker who tend to be a bit smaller but more mobile.
    The intrigues continues…

    • Irish Sweetness

      He’s not going to play at 350. They/he feels better at about 315/320. But I like 350 on the goal-line, I don’t get how we don’t have a guy like that. Or you make him FB for Langford. Or you make him the HB, either way he is a big man that cannot be stopped once forward progress has begun.

      Sad great story. His father organized robberies ons ecurity trucks he worked for. His mom is in prison for petty theft. He worked 3 jobs to look after himself and his sister and get through college. I’m pulling for him more than anyone.

  • John Doe

    5 days before the draft SI.com had an All Underrated Draft team. Bears got two on that list.

    Center: Hroniss Grasu, Oregon

    When I talked with Oregon lineman Kyle Long before his 2013 draft selection by the Bears, Long told me that Grasu taught him more than anyone else about offensive line play. Grasu is a very, very smart player who has excelled in Oregon’s multi-faceted, high-rep offense since 2011. There are dings regarding his functional strength—at 6’3″ and 297 pounds, he’ll get rocked back by bigger nose tackles at times—but if you watch the tape, he gets stronger against tougher opposition. Grasu would a great fit in an NFL line with bigger guard where he can move to the second level and display his athleticism.

    Safety: Adrian Amos, Penn State

    NFL teams need defenders who can line up in the slot as well as outside and in the deep third, and Amos certainly qualifies—according to PFF, he was in the slot about a third of the time last season and allowed just 14 catches and a ridiculous 13.0 opponent passer rating on 39 targets. He’s regarded as a second- to third-round prospect because he could be a much better tackler for his size (6’0″, 218 pounds), but he’ll be a valuable hybrid pass defender at the next level.

    http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/04/28/2015-NFL-draft-underrated-prospects-garrett-grayson-david-johnson?page=3&devicetype=default

    • Big Mike

      I love the situational fit “with bigger guards next to him” that shows a plan… maybe the teach that gigantic OL they drafted to snap in goal line situations. (kidding, kidding)

      • How about him being our goaline back? Fridge Deux!
        Oh, how I would love to see that, on Thanksgiving, against the pack, final TD to win the game while all the cheeseheads stand stunned.

        • Big Mike

          🙂 That would be fun.

    • I actually thought the same when watching Grassu tape. Gets bull-rushed too easily, but works well in tandem with OGs.
      Like I said. I just hope we don’t get a younger, albeit more athletic, Garza. Be nice to have a C the RB can follow into the endzone.

      • Big Mike

        The Bears line will become a strength. They’ve got talent. Need some depth. Letting the boys run block a bit more, is good for their soul. It is strategically, physically and emotionally a giant boost to the productivity of the OL when a team commits to the run. The talent is there to be successful. I’m hoping we find a FB.

        If that giant Tackle turns into something… Watch out. I believe he will. Not just being an optimistic Bears fan, but the guy’s 2 big knocks were his limited playing time and his weight. He’s already dropped from 350+ to mid 330s. (looking for the place where I read that). I also see his journey and ability to play big-time football as a plus. Glad POX did as well.

        • Few things I noticed about Tayo.
          1. When the game first started, I began laughing because it looked like a varsity player chasing a pop warner kid. His size was mammoth and he was rag-dolling ppl.
          2. He actually performs better against bigger guys who don’t rely on speed.
          3. He’s got good feet. I was very surprised by this.
          4. He’s pretty sloppy and inconsistent. He’ll absolutely crush dudes, then totally whiff other times. I even saw him got knocked on his ass.
          5. He got knocked on his ass because of inconsistent technique and conditioning (which goes back to his weight).
          6. Needs to be more aggressive and effective on the 2nd level.

          No doubt he has the size and feet to play edge, and sometimes he does look very aggressive, but Tayo seems like a very raw project who runs hot-and-cold.

          If this coaching staff motivates him and whips him into shape, mentally and physically, then he can honestly be a 10yr starter at RT (heck, maybe even LT).

          • Big Mike

            Spot on. My assessment is that he is that rare guy who is a better pro, than college player. He needs reps, year round supervised agility and strength training, nutrition counseling and oh yeah, the burden of providing for his family removed.

          • yeah, it will be a year or two with him. Huge upside. Very raw.

            Kind of reminds me of Vlad Ducasse, who they signed in FA. Very raw guy with massive size and athleticism who became a borderline starter at guard.

          • Big Mike

            And we just got this guy Terry Williams at NT

            http://nflmocks.com/2015/04/02/terry-williams-the-best-nose-tackle-in-the-2015-draft/

            Lock the buffet

          • A couple guys who I know on Twitter that have a pretty good eye were talking about this kid before the draft. Love that signing.

          • Big Mike

            I love this signing.

          • GIRTH.

          • Irish Sweetness

            See the spin move he has (sixth video) ? That’ll do.

          • Big Mike

            “I can play anywhere from 330 where I am right now or I can play down at
            315 or 310 if that’s what the team wants me to do,” he said. “It’s just
            a matter of what the coach feels best.” http://chicagofootball.com/2015/05/02/chicago-bears-draft-tcu-offensive-tackle-tayo-fabuluje/ai4g2kw/

          • there’s been speculation about him moving to guard since he struggles with speed guys.

          • yeah, that’s what I mean by he looks better against bigger guys. I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts off at OG. It’s pretty standard procedure for a projected RT to start off at OG first, or for a projected LT to start off at RT first – to get acclimated to NFL speed/power.

            But with those feet, arms and paws, I def think he can play OT as long as the coaching staff really fine-tunes him.

            I just hope this project turns out better than another certain 7th round OT project who shall not be named.

          • this project won’t be forced into starting as a rookie

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s why moving Long to RT makes sense. You get this guy in at guard, wow. I watched his combine run – once he gets that body moving, he can fairly motor. Kyle on the outside stuff, sweet. Our new ROMANIAN Center, competition everywhere. Jeez, if we signed Collins it would be a real big cherry on top.

            Running right behind Grasu, Long and Collins. Even Carey could do that.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Repost:

          http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2015/5/2/8537355/chicago-bears-2015-draft-tayo-fabuluje-conference-call-transcript

          He will play lighter. He is super motivated. There will be no DUIs, or females with panda eyes. Good kid.

          • Big Mike

            Thanks for the article.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Definitely at least a two-year project Mike, for the polished SB roster. Talent everywhere. We didn’t have the capability to do what we did this off-season AND sort out the Ted/Mike situation for example. There’s no obvious hope that anyone we have for the spots is going to be good for us. Those guys aren’t on the roster yet. Ironically, Shea might, just might, thrive in the Mike. A simple zone, or run forward response. Get him moving, not thinking.

      • Irish Sweetness

        They can follow Tayo. All roads are open when you’re behind Tayo.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Great that Gasu and Long are buddies, and Amos and Fuller know each other from HS football.

  • John Doe

    I think the Bears just signed Tayo Fabuluje’s fat brother on the defensive side of the ball.

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 1h1 hour ago
    #Bears have signed NT Terry Williams, who happens to be their 3rd UDFA signed from ECU. Total of 16 signed since last night.

    UDFA NT Terry Williams, East Carolina U, 6’0, 353 lbs.

    This guy was a 250 lbs Linebacker and ballooned to 350 in college and switched to NT. But he is athletic as LB which is crazy for a 353 lbs fat boy. He can be the perfect back up to Eddie Goldman..may be give him a year on the practice squad and he will be ready next year.

    With Goldman and this guy, teams can forget trying to run up the middle.

    Check out his gifs below and how he manhandles olinemen.

    Terry Williams: The Best Nose Tackle in the 2015 Draft
    http://nflmocks.com/2015/04/02/terry-williams-the-best-nose-tackle-in-the-2015-draft/

  • John Doe

    Why does every website, every blogger, every nfl expert feel the urge to “grade” the draft?

    It is the most meaningless exercise and those stupid letter grades don’t mean shit when no one has played a snap.

    Will someone, ESPN, CSN, someone step forward and say we are stopping this grading bullshit. Just analysis. No grading.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      really if you have to ask that question you may be a bigger idiot than i thought.

      Not everyone watches the full draft. Not every fan analyzes every pick. Its a quick read for your average to below average fan to get an idea of how the draft went. Besides most of those writers get paid for their opinion.

      • John Doe

        LOL! you are the biggest moron. The grades are subjective bullshit without any relation to how the players will perform in real games on the field.

        You really are huge bear’s penis.. no thinking capacity.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          of course the grades are subjective. no one really knows how anyone will do once they are on the field. Yet people still read mock drafts, look at preseason power rankings, and watch the draft. Why would the NFL even televise the draft? Because there is a section of fans that really enjoy the process. There is also a section of fans that are still curious about how their team drafted, and putting grades on the draft is the easiest way to inform this section of fans. As long as people realize that it is subjective and understand how the grades are determined, which a lot writers spell out in the article Secondly, everyone that watches the draft and cares about it are usually putting a grade of some kind on picks. Why else would we have debates after each draft on who we should have drafted? It’s human nature to grade things. I am sorry if you are not smart enough to understand that.

    • As Oscar Wilde once infamously stated “All art is useless”, and I would add “All fun is useless.”

      Most of the writers who grade always begin with the caveat that the exercise is purely for fun, and that no one will truly know (including GMs/Scouts) the grades until 3 years later.

      I don’t mind them. Don’t like, don’t click.

    • Trac

      Prolly for the same reason people use twitter. Hee hee

    • BearDown100393

      Don’t care.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yeah, just personal reaction grades. I felt it was an A, just because I’ve never seen one before from the Bears. If we had ten picks like the Queens, then we could have drafted an ILB or two.

    • Doc Hamstring

      The only grades you could conceivably give on or soon after a draft is an F. For teams that took insane reaches, did stupid trades up to grab a guy, mortgaged their future for a pick, etc. And even those don’t happen often.

  • Trac

    Concerning Jeff’s 3 starters 1 star twat comment, I believe every player in the NFL is a star. 1 super nova every draft would be better.

    • It’s relative. Every NFL player is a football star relative to the population as a whole. Few players are stars relative to their peers in the NFL.

  • I find it disturbing that we can’t even all get along during NFL X-mas! Buddy Christ would be disappointed.
    Maybe I’ll head 3 hours south and join MB on the surf with some poon…

    • Scott W.

      Well man, for what it’s worth, I have 3 categories of posters.

      1— Most of you. Like 97%. I read everything the 97% write.

      2 — Trolls. Invaders/trespassers that come in just to stir shit up.

      3 — Scrolls. These are posters I rarely even read. I see the name, and scroll on by.

      For my time and effort, those in Cat 3 don’t ruin my experience, because I don’t really notice they are in tje room.

      • Yeah, I read most but don’t respond to some. It’s pretty pointless.
        However, some are Jeckll and Hyde. They provide interesting content, but other times regress to douches. So I begin reading and quickly realize, “oh, it’s douch day.”

        Anyhow, whatevs. It’s only a blog. Not gonna lose any sleep over it, just seems like it’s getting more and more argumentative, petty and juvenile. That’s probably why a few of the regs no longer show up.

        • EnderWiggin

          Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Are you a fool, or something?

        • Scott W.

          It’s an important blog for highly dedicated fans. Arguably the best in the biz, as no one has anything like it, try though some have.
          We try very, very hard to set an overall positive tone here, even when we are aggravated.

          Ever noticed how rare it is for regulars/long-timers to get truly mean and condescending with each other? We don’t, because even when we disagree, and think the other’s opinion is crap, we respect them, and don’t cross the personal line.

          Barb’s argument for being condescending and name-calling was “it’s the internet, I don’t have to be respectful”. He never, ever quite got the tone we all prefer, but he was slowly starting to try.
          OTHERS, and we know who they are, just want to treat the board like a Yahoo! board, and say what they want, how they want, to anyone and everyone, without regard to how the vast majority (The 97%) prefer it.

          They show zero respect, and don’t feel they have to. These guys, the Scrolls, just belong somewhere else.

          I’ll get hammered for this post by someone, or ignored. For them, it’s all about them and what they want, with no respect for anyone. No one likes such people in face-to-face land, and they should not feel welcomed in the online world – at least ones like this – either.
          So drowning them out, ignoring them, is the only way to show them the door, which they will eventually use once they don’t get the reactions they demand. It’s not censorship, it’s a choice to keep things civil and respectful.

          Its our right to do that, not us being snobs as some have suggested. We just want a place to celebrate, bitch and moan, and learn from each other. Those that want to call people morons and make it personal just embarrass themselves.

    • Johnnywad

      I want to believe that no measure of good will and camaraderie on a blog would prevent you from seeing that as the better option.

  • sludgemonkey

    The Packers are going to make some cuts today, you have a chance to upgrade that hideous team.

    • madscout12

      You mean from the Atlanta Braves of the NFL?

    • BillW

      Hey it’s a LONG time until football season. Find something to do. . Oh wait. You probably live in Wisconsin. Scratch that. Watch the nfcc game again. Count the number of dumb things that cost the pack the game. I know there were at least 7. In the 4th quarter

      When a team like the Bears go 5 and 11 it’s easy to see why. No real surprise unfortunately

      When a team has Rodgers and has a big lead and still loses the problems are more frustrating . You get there you close the deal. No excuses. You lose it’s because even Rodgers can’t overcome stupid. And the Packers coaches are in fact stupid

      • madscout12

        22 years of elite HOF QB play. 2 titles.

        In that time the Pats have 4 with about 11 years of elite QB play, the Cowboys have 3 with about 8 years of elite QB play, the Steelers, Ravens, and Giants have 2 with no years of elite QB play.

        The 49ers had a similar streak of elite QB play, going from Montana to Young. 5 titles.

        Again, must suck to be the Atlanta Braves of the NFL. To bad that wonderful GM of yours can’t fix the defense enough so you don’t fold like a $2 lawn chair in the playoffs.

        Oh, and I love charts: http://www.gambletron2000.com/nfl/10980/green-bay-packers-at-seattle-seahawks

      • sludgemonkey

        Actually we spend our summers bilking FIBS who come to visit every weekend.

    • Trac

      The days of honoring yourselves are over. he he.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We’re gonna kick your ass this year.

      • sludgemonkey

        Sure. Heard that before.

  • RenoBear

    And here we have douchemonkey, the packer troll…. Seriously I can think of a BILLION things better to do than troll an enemy teams blog

    • BillW

      Not if you live in Wisconsin. And I don’t mean that sarcastically. I mean it quite literally. I vacation in Wisconsin every summer specifically because there is nothing to do but nothing. Very relaxing compared to a place like Chicago that has actual culture.

      Cheese curds and spotted cow don’t count.

  • SC Dave
    • EnderWiggin

      Still – At least its something different, almost refreshing, if that is possible.
      lol, shit man. Make me comment then take it down.

  • John Doe

    Bears UDFA Tony Pierson RB/WR/KR Kansas. He is fast.

    • EnderWiggin

      Thanks for the clips. This was a very contributory post.

    • EnderWiggin

      That clip with the holding call was very Sayersish.

    • Trac

      I can dig him!

    • Irish Sweetness

      170lbs though. I mean is he medically cleared to play in the NFL as a child?

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