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In the End, a Rebuild Emerges

| May 4th, 2015

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A year ago the Bears used a second round draft pick on a defensive tackle from the southeast. They took a productive running back in the fourth and a safety with the pick that followed. This year they did the same in those three spots. This was not, as it has been characterized, a redraft of 2014. 2014 never happened according to Ryan Pace and John Fox. Those picks, more than anything else happening on draft weekend, signaled clearly the Bears have begun to rebuild their roster. They are acknowledging their talent deficiencies and turning positions over.

Is this significant? Absolutely. Phil Emery tried to build an offense around a pre-existing defense. In doing so he created a massive locker room divide that proved irreparable. The Bears were two teams. Emery’s Trestman-led offense and the remnants of Lovie’s defensive dynasty. This resulted in the Sarajevo-like disaster that was the 2014 Chicago Bears season.

Ego Ferguson must know he is not a big part of the team’s future. So must Ka’Deem Carey. Alshon Jeffery must know now the Bears are skeptical of his ability to be an elite, game-changing wide receiver. Jay Cutler must know that in flirting with the second pick the Besrs have given yet another clear indication that their support of the signal caller is tenuous at best.

The Bears also did not draft for need; a clear acknowledgement they understand the team as constructed is not yet on the level of the league’s best. The Giants believe they are, thus the move to the top of the second round for Landon Collins. The Patriots know they are, thus drafting a long snapper in the mid rounds is a move they can afford to make.

Bears fans are a notoriously impatient bunch but this draft weekend was Pace’s call for patience. Most of the men on this football team today won’t be in two years.  And it will most likely take those two years before we see Pace’s roster vision in full form.

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  • Irish Sweetness

    Firstness.

    I’ll bet the Bears love Alshon though, but he was on his own out there if we didn’t draft White.

  • BearDown100393

    The Bears have been to the post season once since the ’06 Super Bowl season. And have not returned in the last 4. Impatient? Uh yeah damn straight.

    • GPLDAN

      Trestman and Emery took a mediocre team and made it into the Raiders.

      This year is about making it back one step. Really bad teams are hard to rebuild, this is why Cleveland and Oakland stay like they are. Jacksonville is an example of bad management by Ron Jeremy taking a playoff team and making them a joke.

      We just had that. It’s a ways back, but there is enough here to mount a .500 campaign and build.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Who dat?

        Levi Norwood.

        http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Highlights-Levi-Norwood/806947db-fcc5-4d50-abc7-6d0a6fcc0419

        Tayo’s film.

        http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Highlights_OL_Tayo_Fabuluje/d8f63ba1-cb9d-492b-9652-5d59dab121fb

        We don’t even have to wait until he picks up the guard position, he could go straight in on obvious runs and just make a hole.

        • BillW

          Does Tayo project to a guard? Not seen or read much about his play (just his family situation) but at his size I’d think he’s purely a right tackle. (Obviously a backup)

          • Irish Sweetness

            They say he’d be be better at guard, rather than dealing with speed rushers on the edge. Kyle would be better at that anyway. Tayo would look much better at guard just bull-rushing guys and staying put, yet he’s got the feet to pull wide.

          • MorganW

            I don’t think so. The insider stuff i have read about that pick said that the Bears picked Tayo based on his lighter-weight tape. In other words, they didn’t draft him as he is. They drafted him to play at a lower weight because at that lower weight, he was a dominating tackle. Diamond in the rough type of thing that the rest of the league missed. If he drops the weight and plays up to his tape, he’ll start at tackle in a year or so. With his background, I think he’ll come along splendidly. The only question surrounding Tayo is which tackle spot he’ll be assigned.

      • BillW

        Agreed. I often have characterized the Bears as an expansion team. I realize that label doesn’t fit in more ways than it actually does, but the point is I wouldn’t expect an expansion team to contend the first two years. That fits my expectations – and my level of excitement.

        I realize Barb that you respectfully disagree and it’s one of the several things I enjoy reading from you. You hate the R-word. You take a very different few and it’s thought out too. we happen to disagree and the best thing is, no matter who is right (if there even is such a thing) they are headed in a much better direction than any of us thought near the end of last season (when most if not all of us feared the only change would be at the three coordinators.)

      • BearDown100393

        Restoring the Bears identity is paramount this season with fans.

      • Raiders at least have a QB and LB to build around.

  • GPLDAN

    Ego Ferguson must know he is not a big part of the team’s future.

    Will he come into camp an already defeated 2nd year player or has he been pounding the iron and ready to play 0-tech? It’s a helluva thing to line up over the center’s nose if you have never done it – it may be too much for the guy. I also think that Fangio has a 3-4 rotating to 4-3 strategy and in that case, Ego can play the same role he played last year, since Young and Allen will not adjust their game to stand up very well.

    Thayer and Joniak were on Bears extra yesterday. Thayer said that every rook OL, nearly the whole season, is a half second slow. Slow on the read, slow off the snap, slow to pick up adjustments if at all. But the Bears picked up Grasu because, of all things, he was smart. Football smart. He has a high football IQ and while he may be slow, they think eventually he can figure it all out and get quick by next year.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Between Rat, Goldmember and this Williams 8-ball, we’re looking good at NT.

      Grasu sounds like a nicer version of Olin. Super likeable character, a leader – he’ll be the man on that line in no time. Other than Mills being a liability, I’m looking forward to seeing that line in action with a commitment to the run.

      What I don’t want to see, is Cutty the Cowboy audibling out of runs so he can throw a quick interception.

    • except he did do 0 tech some in college at LSU

  • FantuzPhysics

    I don’t believe for a second that Ego Ferguson isn’t planned to be heavily in the mix this year. Ratliff is most likely gone after this year so you would want to replace him with a second year player in Goldman and a third year player in Ferguson.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Fatty Williams. 6’0. 353. I’m in love. His spin move is like a killer whale rolling over your back. Check out GP’s ost on the last thread. Sixth video down. Awesome.

      I-Formation. Tayo at FB. 8-ball Williams at HB. HB blast.

      How in thee fuck do you stop that? Tayo could pick up Cutty, the ball, and just carry them over the line, with 8-ball pushing them.

      I think the plan is to plug Tayo in at guard. He was 400lbs at one point, but was apparently 330 at the combine. Now Long HAS to go to RT.

      • Trac

        Irish, I thought you had given up the bottle. Hahaha

      • Irish Sweetness
      • Tayo is not going to be ready to contribute this year. He’s a project.

        • Irish Sweetness

          They could put him in goal-line and short yardage situations on day one.

          • we’ll see, but I kinda doubt he plays much this year. Wouldn’ be shocked if he’s on PS for much of the year. Otherwise likely inactive part of the 53 man roster, IMO. Usually only dress 7 OL for game days, so those 2 backups need to be plug and play at multiple positions.
            Right now I’d guess the 7 will be Bushrod, Slauson, Grasu, Long, Mills (starters), with Ola and Montgomery the top backups. Then you have Vlad Ducasse (if he makes the team) ahead of Tayo too, IMO, as the next man up if somebody is hurt and unable to go.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t want to see Mills out there on day 1. He can’t do it, he’s not the guy. We’ve got Groy and Bofeli, likely Tayo at guard too. Now may be the time to move Kyle out to RT. Otherwise there’s only Weaver and Leno at tackle.

          • if Mills is healthy, I’d rather have Long/Mills at RG/RT than either Groy/Bofeli at RG and Long at RT.

          • MorganW

            Tayo was not taken as a guard. He’s a long term project that when lighter, will be a tackle. Not this year, probably. But he will be a tackle.

          • EnderWiggin

            Grasu beats out Montgomery this year?

          • I think so, yes. Could see one of them at G if Long kicks out to tackle. We’ll see.

          • From Garza to Grasu…I think Montgemery will start first but will be phased out eventually..
            Also, heard nothing but good things about Leno, and he played with a mean streak.

          • I’m curious about Leno. Heard a rumor they were talking about moving him to C? I dunno. He’s still the only guy outside of Bushrod on the roster who has played LT. I guess Ola did some last year.

        • FantuzPhysics

          When they took him I immediately thought of J’Marcus Webb, but after hearing his story he certainly seems like an upstanding guy and someone who hasn’t had the chance to stick to a rigorous and consistent program for his weight/strength. He has a ton of upside.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yeah, with coaches helping him with food and coaching, I expect he’s the kind of kid who’ll keep his mouth shut and do what he’s told. Such would be his desire with his story that I wouldn’t be surprised if he spends those extra hours in the film room. He could be a fan favorite one day.

    • here’s a complete list of DL players on the roster who are under contract beyond 2015:
      Ego Ferguson
      Will Sutton
      Eddie Goldman (once he signs)
      Cornelius Washington
      Jenkins, McDonald, and Ratliff are all on 1 year deals. Jenkins isn’t starting quality (wouldn’t be shocked if he gets cut), McDonald is over 30 and needs to stay away from the police, and Ratliff is 34 and injury-prone. There is PLENTY of room for Ferguson and Goldman.

  • Trac

    Jeff, I’ve been using the R word a lot over the last 6 months. Glad you can see it too. One things for sure, having a top notch coaching staff is going to make the process less painful. Go Bears!

  • NewBearInTown

    “Ego Ferguson must know he is not a big part of the team’s future. So must Ka’Deem Carey. Alshon Jeffery must know now the Bears are skeptical of his ability to be an elite, game-changing wide receiver. Jay Cutler must know that in flirting with the second pick the Besrs have given yet another clear indication that their support of the signal caller is tenuous at best.”

    Let’s take these one at a time:

    – Ego Fergusson was a second round pick last year. Teams look for a second round pick to compete for playing time their rookie seasons and emerge as a clear starter within 1-2 years after that. At no point last year did Ego look ready to supplant Raitliff and now the team changing schemes away from Ego’s strengths; so basically we have a rotational player at best. I do agree that drafting Goldman was a fairly clear indication that the team may look another direction.

    – Ka’Deem Carey was never projected to be a workhorse back, but he could be part of a committee. The same can be said for Langford. So here I think Carey and Langford could be part of the same plan and I wouldn’t read too much into the team drafting another back.

    – White and Jeffery are hopefully going to be Julio Jones and Roddy White. White isn’t replacing Jeffery, he’s replacing Marshall.

    – Cutler knew where he stood when they fired Marc Trestman. The draft changed nothing except buying him more time.

    – And Jeff didn’t mention Amos or Brock Vereen, but they’re both late picks. They could both be cut before the season and nobody would be surprised.

    • FantuzPhysics

      Well said. Completely agree.

    • A 3-4 actually fits Ferguson better than a 4-3. It’s what he played in college. I think he’s going to thrive under Fangio, but he’s still very raw, so it might be another year before we fully see it.

      Vereen and Amos are highly unlikely to be cut, IMO. You keep 4-5 safeties, and right now they have only 5 on the roster. Vereen and Amos are presumptive 3 and 4 on that pecking order.

      • NewBearInTown

        I agree that Vereen and Amos are safeties on a safety hungry roster. But we could easily one or both of them suck in camp and sign a veteran stop-gap instead.
        Another thing that hasn’t been mentioned – Amos might be a special teams signing as much as anything. I’m sure they want to give him reps at safety to see what he can do, but a 4th string safety is a great guy to make your first string, four team specialist.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Apparently he’s best in coverage and he’s played every spot as a DB. He was a corner originally. The scout who knocked him for not being able to tackle well was wrong. Looks like he can do everything, and he’s got it upstairs too. He’ll make it in as a slot and then hopefully make a name for himself.

        • I think Vereen and Amos should both be solid STers this year. Athletic S who can tackle should be good on ST.

      • SC Dave

        I am not ready to ditch ego.

      • MorganW

        It might be pre-mature to say who will make the team or not or who will do well or under perform on the defensive side of the ball. Fangio is famous for getting more out of players than anyone thought was there. I’m not saying that the Bears will be a top defensive unit this season, but i will say that they will be much improved. They should climb from the 31st spot to the middle ranks of the league this year. Vereen was just as horrible as any other Bear defensive back last year so I view this year as his true rookie season. Similarly, think of how good Fuller will be with good coaching. Amos is a real question mark. He flashed some brilliance at Penn but not enough to warrant a higher pick. Again, Fangio will find that flash and turn it in to a steady beam. They have some youth and depth in the secondary with the players that were invited to camp this year. If they can find some guys that Fangio could work with, the Bear’s secondary will surprise the league and allow the team to draft for need at these positions next year instead of the “Christ, we need everything!!” type of approach that most R-word teams fall in to and why they never seem to climb out of the R-word phase.

    • BerwynBomber

      But in terms of Carey will the Bears go with four RBs into the season? If so, he is safe. If not, then either he, Langford or Forte (because of contract gripes) will be out. Jacquizz, barring an injury, is probably the best bet to be on the reg season roster.

  • GPLDAN

    Wanna have a laff? “Khadeem is a solid pick, Long is likely to bust.” Blah blah blah, fucking dribble….

    Read draft grades from 2 years ago:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000165686/article/nfc-north-draft-grades-vikings-class-packed-with-promise

    Here’s the result of the consensus steal of the 2013 draft, a sure fire HoF’er, and a Packer:

    http://nflspinzone.com/2014/01/04/ted-thompson-happy-datone-jones/

    Whoops.

    • Trac

      A “C” was generous.

    • Big Mike

      Why do we do it, why, why . The link was a comparison of the Emery’s first draft and Pace’s.

      Of course we get to look at this…

      “McClellin has started three consecutive years at defensive end for
      Boise State. He is an undersized DE who 3-4 teams will value at the OLB
      position. At just under 260 pounds, he can struggle at times against
      bigger linemen, but he has fifth-round value.”

      http://sportsmockery.com/2015/05/ryan-pace-vs-phil-emery-comparing-their-1st-bears-draft-grades/

  • Bears-4-Ever

    This is indeed a re-building year. I don’t think anyone is expecting miracles out of the draft. 2015 is going to be a .500 year, if they do better awesome, but a .500 years is what we should expect. No one should have stars in their eyes at this point. 2016 should produce a different Bears team that should be extremely competitive, 2017 should be a SB year if all the cards fall into place. Big IF, but for now those are my personal expectations of the Bears. I think my favorite picks this year was the Center and T picks. You can put a good line in front of any QB in the league and they “should” perform.

    We shall see.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It worked for Romo. Top rated QB.

      • Romo was always efficient though (maybe even more so than Rodgers).
        He just had the knack of choking, but playing ahead and milking the clock with the run game takes the ball out of his hands in crucial moments.
        Cutler on the other hand is a turnover regardless. We’re trying to take it out his hands as much as humanly possible. We’re basically trying to make him Orton his rookie year, but unlike Orton when called upon, he has a bigger arm and mobile.

  • “This was not, as it has been characterized, a redraft of 2014”
    No, it’s not.
    In 2014 FA, the Bears lost Henry Melton and Major Wright, so they drafted Ego Ferguson and Brock Vereen. In 2015 FA, the Bears lost Stephen Paea and Chris Conte, so they drafted Eddie Goldman and Adrian Amos. All were direct replacements for players who left in FA. The 2015 guys aren’t supposed to replace the 2014 ones, they supplement them.
    As for RBs, Bears had nobody behind Forte, now they have 2. Fox usually likes… wait for it… 3 running backs.
    The only pick from 2014 who is likely washed out is Sutton.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Which sucks because Sutton can go to TB or DAL and be a baller, but at the end of the day he doesn’t fit here.

      • willbest

        Would be nice if the Bears could get a 6th for him, but he didn’t show enough and will likely end up being a roster casualty.

    • FantuzPhysics

      Sutton was a good pick at the time. We were running a 4-3 front and were planning on doing so going forward. Hopefully they find a path for him that maximizes his potential even if that is sending him to another team. He was a beast while at ASU.

      • Sutton was my favorite pick of the Bears’ draft last year.

    • GPLDAN

      Why can’t Sutton make the adjustment to 3-4 DE?

      • he doesn’t have the typical size (mainly length) or playing style for it. He might be able to do it, but if any of the Emery guys don’t classically fit a 3-4, it’s Sutton.
        Sutton is one of those guys who projects pretty much solely as a 4-3 penetrating DT. But physically he’s a very similar build to Mike Daniels in GB, who plays DE for them, so that’s the comp. if you’re looking for him to fit.

        • GPLDAN

          Fangio’s Niner D would often align a 4-3 look. They could do both. Don’t you think we will flex depending on situation? It requires the players adapt to 2 styles of play, but isn’t that the future?

          • it’s possible, but the “4-3” look SF would run had Justin Smith as the weakside DE, the closest equivalent to the 3T of the 4-3 that we are familiar with in Chicago.

            Smith’s role was more to occupy blockers and free up Aldon Smith than penetrate like Sutton does.

          • Yeah, they did, but then the question becomes – should we ride with a sub-package specialists, or go with perhaps more versatile players?

            I hope Sutton pans out at 5-tech cuz I’m not sure he’s kept around for limited snaps (unless he’s extremely disruptive when given those snaps.)

          • The 4-3 look Fangio ran most often was actually a 2-4-5 nickel, where the 2 OLBs would function kind of like 4-3 DEs.
            Could Sutton be one of those 2 DL? Maybe, but that’s only in situations where you don’t have to worry about the run at all. I think it’s more likely in a case like that they go with McPhee and Houston on the DL in an ultimate Nascar package.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I need it explained to me how a 2-4-5 is a 4-3 ‘look’, Woodsy.

          • the 2 OLBs are more or less DEs, so it looks like a 4-2-5 nickel look where the DEs are in a 2-point stance.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Brock Vereen was not a replacement for Wright.

      • no, but it was a “lost a safety, draft a safety” approach.

  • AlbertInTucson
  • willbest

    Cutler is the Bears QB going forward. They might have flirted with getting rid of him this year when moving from 7 to 2 wouldn’t have been absurdly overpriced, but they won’t have that option next year. Also, in 2016 the Bears D is going to be SB ready (assuming Fox/Fangio are who they have been in the past) and you don’t run with a Teddy Bridgewater type developmental pick when you have a healthy Cutler and competition level D. 2015 was the year to develop a QB if they were going to so unless they somehow catch lightening in a bottle (Wilson/Kaep) or Cutler goes rogue/diva, he is the guy.

    Ratliff isn’t going to be a Bear in 2016. So Ego’s fate is not tied to this draft. We do not have an over abundance of D-line (as we do LB) so as long as Ego puts in the work and has the football IQ to learn the system he will be fine.

    I think Langdon signals the end of the Forte era more than it does Carey’s time in Chicago. I would have thought the Bears would have been able to have worked out an extension with Forte by now. But they apparently seem content to let him play out his contract.

    • BerwynBomber

      Why won’t they have that option next year? Because they won’t be as close to the #2 pick? Who’s to say there is not a QB they like at #8 for whom they trade up?

      Cutler being here in ’16 is 50/50. He plays well in ’15 and POX will allow him to play out the guaranteed part of his contract. He plays crappy again they will shop him again (and his contract will be a less poisonous pill for another team to swallow). Either way I find it hard to believe Pace won’t nab a successor in next year’s draft. Unless there is some young UFA QB signed.

      • Johnnywad

        Couldn’t agree more. I never thought Cutler was leaving prior to the 2015 season. Too much money. 2016 is anybody’s guess. He’s very tradable at that point. If he plays well under the new regime, I just don’t see any reason to trade him. But I could easily see a draft choice coming in to prep. I think you’ve nailed it here.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Screw it, if he does okay this year, then we can only be better next year. There’ll be a starter on the OL who isn’t on the roster yet. Mills will be airlocked. White will be in his second year. Langton looks every bit the receiver Forte is, and they will draft a back next year. The future is looking very navy and burnt orange.

          And with a better line, David Fales may shine methinks. Pre-season will be worth looking at.

      • willbest

        Because Cutler isn’t going to lose a QB competition to anybody that isn’t a clear starting caliber NFL QB and clear starting caliber NFL QBs go 1, 2 and 3. Trading up will be virtually impossible unless they put up another 5 win season.

        Its going to take an injury to ala Alex Smith to transition away from Cutler in 2016.

        Why go from serviceable QB to unknown when you should have a defense that can compete in 2016 (and note I already discussed him going rogue)?

        • Johnnywad

          I doubt he goes rogue under Fox. But if the turnovers don’t improve from last season or the production (TD’s) don’t go up significantly to offset the turnovers, I could see him traded.

          • willbest

            If they have a run game we should see less TDs and les INTs from Cutler, then again hopefully overall scoring improves.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I can see him getting benched. He needs to go and sit on the naughty stool sometimes.

        • BerwynBomber

          Because if a serviceable QB is costing you 15M a year and finishing 20th in the league in passing efficiency then you might reason you can get that production, or near it, for a third or at worst half the price.

          Look, you might be right: he very well could be here in ’16. But unlike you, I don’t think it is guaranteed. If he plays in ’15 like he did in ’14, I would bet Pace is trying to pimp him to every team in the league. Just like he did this off-season.

          Plus, I think Pace still wants to find his Brees.

          • No doubt, if one thing is perfectly clear, it’s that POX wants Cutler out. From the moment they arrived and were asked about Cutler a million times, they have been “lukewarm” (at best) about Cutler.
            They tried trading him (to how many teams, we don’t even know). They tried moving up for Mariota but, and I quote, “the titans had ZERO interest in Cutler” and that was that.

            Really, our best hope is that a team like the Cards lose their starting QB and become desperate, or maybe Johny Football bombs out and the Browns realize they must go elsewhere, or maybe Bradford shatters again and Philly decides to go another way and give us Mo Wilkerson for Cutty and call it a day.

          • willbest

            I see a team rebuilding that had the option of drafting a QB and didn’t. I see a team that was capable of bonusing out another 5-8 million dollars to cutler and then trading him for a 5th and 7th round draft swap and didn’t.

            You see a team that didn’t quash trade rumors.

          • re-building or not, if a TRUE franchise QB becomes available, teams usually jump on it, everything else be damned.

            Titans by most accounts would’ve traded for Rivers, but the Chargers would rather risk Rivers retiring and them getting squat then trading him and getting Mariota.

            That’s the difference.

        • SC Dave

          We have no real idea what the 16 defense will be. They could suck.

      • willbest

        I would also like to add cap space isn’t a reason. Bears are going to have an absurd amount of cap space heading into 2016 (some 60 million with they cut Allen), with only needing to resign MacDonald and Jeffery (assuming they let Forte walk).

      • Scott W.

        Probably right on all counts here.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    the “Alshon Jeffery must know now the Bears are skeptical of his ability to be an elite, game-changing wide receiver. ” statement confuses me. We were short on WR to begin with. AJ, Royal and …Wilson? I don’t think drafting White says anything about AJ. It says we had a possible stud WR fall into our laps and we took him to help fill a need on the team. If that statement is just questioning on if AJ can be a true #1, i would be very hesitant to agree with that, especially looking at the number of times he has been targeted.

    • Trac

      Poor Alston, I hope the guy can rebound from Jeff’s piece. Nyawt!!!!

    • Irish Sweetness

      If POX didn’t draft White, the fans would have been all over them. Can’t win.

    • Alshon was also dinged up all last season, and perhaps POX didn’t want to put all their eggs in one basket.

      POX actually mentioned that their new strength and conditioning program will help out a lot of those soft tissue injs that seemed to plague the Bears.

      From most accounts, POX considered ’14 Bears team soft on many fronts.

      • willbest

        I felt the Bears had Strength and Condition issues the last couple years. But then we had a few years of relative health so I figure it was just law of averages with the injury bugs.

  • NewBearInTown

    One of two things will be true this year about our defensive front 7:

    (1) The Defense will struggle mightily against both the pass and the run; or

    (2) A couple of guys that were not projected to be successful will find success in Fangio’s new system.
    So who are the potential overachievers?
    – Shea McClellin
    – Jonathan Bostic
    – Jared Allen
    – Will Sutton
    – Ego Fergusson
    If a couple of those guys starts making plays on the D, we’ll look a lot better than expected.

    • I think they have the personnel that it should be a good run D immediately. I’m gonna say top 10, maybe top 5.
      Pass D is another ball game completely. Don’t like the S or LB in coverage and don’t think the pass rush will be more than acceptable.

      • Scott W.

        This is one area I break down in. Pass D vs. Run D.
        Corners, Safeties, ILB/OLB, etc.
        The game got more complex years back when I was busy inventing the internet with Al.

      • I’m very curious about the pass rush. It’s a patchwork of enigmas.

        Allen – Who knows?
        Houston – Doubt it. Close but no cigar type of guy.
        McPhee – we’ll see how he handles a full work load
        Young – coming off an inj, like Houston

        The rest (Bass, Washington, Shea, rooks, etc) are even bigger question marks.

    • Irish Sweetness

      1) I’m worried about the Mike/Ted for up the middle stuff, but Rolle/Mundy/Amos can help out, and with Rolle/Amos in coverage, or Amos on as a nickel or dime, we have to be improved in that area.

      2) Shea is the dark horse for me. The penny might drop as the Mike. Allen’s paid like your top pass rusher, so over-achieving would be an NFL record.

      The dark horses are Amos and Terry Williams. Imagine Goldman and Williams on the line with Ratliff and Houston on run downs, with Macdonald and McPhee turned loose ? Throw blitzes into the mix and offenses wil be having kittens playing us.

      • Doc Hamstring

        in a 3-4, the SS does a lot of run support, so Rolle will be an asset on off-tackle runs.

        Straight up the gut, though, after the line it’s all ILBs and FS. The knock on Amos is that he’s not great at tackling in run support, so we’ll be counting on the ILBs to make those tackles. Or counting on the NT/DE to stop up the gaps. Maybe that’s why Goldmember was the #2 pick.

        • I think Mundy will be the SS, and Rolle the FS.

          I’m not sure who the SS backup will be – usually CBs converted to SS are FS, so I expect Amos to compete with Vereen for that FS/Nickle/Sub-package roll.

          I guess on paper Amos can be a SS, but really I view him more as a FS.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The knock wasn’t true though. Tape shows that, and he said it was unfair himself, an that the comment was a few years old. He excels in coverage, played all the spots as a DB, can tackle and lay the wood. He’s a keeper.

      • SC Dave

        I still hope that Shea somehow becomes somebody. That would really help.

        • Scott W.

          Is that even possible? If so, then Shea has to be the unluckiest Defensive End to ever come out of college, because we’ll have to hang his non-productivity on the neck of all the coaches, just like Jay.

          • That’s the thing, Scott. Shea was NEVER supposed to be a DE. Lovie and Emery kept telling us “There’s plenty of undersized DEs like Freeney, Mathis” but what they neglected to mention was that those guys were crazy explosive “quick twitch” – unlike Shea.
            Then they tried to give us the rational, “He played 50% as DE.” Ah, yeah, what was the other 50%? LB!
            The book on him was that he got swallowed up by Olinemen, so why in the world would switching him to DE make him better at that? I could never understand that.
            I’ve said it all along, he’s an ILB or maybe a situational Edge rusher, so we’ll see if he can prosper now in his more natural position with proper fucking coaching.

          • Scott W.

            I seriously wondered if he wasn’t a Gabe Carimi redux.

            Cross our navy and orange fingers for one more try I guess.

          • He might be, but at least now we’ll find out.
            It would be like trying to put Carimi at LT in his rookie year. It would’ve been ugly.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah, I’m guessing Fox knows how to run a camp. That alone will be a change from the last 2 years. Maybe Shea finally gets eval’d by a pro.

  • BillW

    1. As HBP says, not sure drafting White is a comment on AJ not handling #1. White has questions on his limited routes right now. Doesn’t sound like a guy you draft as #1. Not saying he won’t be, just saying he sounds like a compliment to AJ, not the other way around.

    1a. I will continue to use “AJ” so I do not accidentally type Jeffries or Jefferies or Jeffrys etc.

    2. Still waiting to hear from Barb on two things – his take on Jeff using the R-word, and his take on our Romanian addition to the line..

    • Scott W.

      Barb banned himself because POX drafted a WR in rd. 1.

      • BillW

        Oh, that’s right. well, permanent bans on this board have an ephemeral nature to them. It’s like people used to say about smoking – it’s easy to quit; I’ve done it dozens of times.

        • Scott W.

          Yeah, he’ll poke back in eventually I imagine.

        • Doc Hamstring

          Oh, I dunno. Has anyone seen MikeBrownHadaPosse or MB30SD or IBNO or the Rev?

      • explains why he’s been commenting on my site over the weekend. He’ll get bored there pretty quickly, though, because nobody else is there to argue with him.

        • Scott W.

          Yeah, just give him time to settle out a bit. But yer site is a pretty good place to sit back and read the features.

        • Trac

          Hahahaha

        • Good luck with THAT.

        • Trac

          I’m curious. What was he posting about the draft?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Really? Come on Barb, he’ll be great.

        The Grasus moved to Cali in 1982 and opened a pizza parlor.

      • BerwynBomber

        Was there a sentence/time period on his self-ban or was it permanent?

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          not sure, i thought he was joking when he first said it. so i made a wise crack about it then he was gone.

          • He’s probably going back and editing those comments as we speak. Someone should screen save it.

          • Scott W.

            LOL

          • Scott W.

            Yeah, we both chided him. I offered to trade him to the Redskins board for 3 Canadians and a Spaniard.

        • Scott W.

          Nope. I even tried to tease him out of it, no luck. He seemed bummed that he’d done that to himself. It’s kinda funny, but, he’ll wander back in.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            this is a blog, it’s not like he was court ordered to stay away from the blog.

          • Scott W.

            It’s Barb, man.

        • SC Dave

          No hurry so far as I’m concerned.

      • haha, I do remember him saying something about “guaranteeing” they won’t go WR in the first.

        That’s what happens when a person speaks in certitudes like Kim Jon iL.

      • Doc Hamstring

        C’mon… you guys are missing the obvious. Barb IS Hroniss Grasu. He “exiled” himself from here because he’s gonna be busy at minicamp.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          damn now i am worried about locker room problems continuing. LOL

          • Scott W.

            Hilarious

          • “Reports are leaking that Grasu, interestingly enough, in a Pats cap, is referring to White as a fartknocker, though as to why, no one can confirm or deny…”

      • Johnnywad

        The best result yet from Pace’s first draft. I sent him a bottle and his wife flowers today.

        • Scott W.

          LMFAO (yeah, I know, juvenile, but it was true. Laughed like hell)

  • Irish Sweetness

    Went over to Data’s board to chat with Barb. Data – you had Dan Pompei on ???

    • BillW

      Now this may be sheer irony. I always feel guilty that I don’t visit JWood’s site more often. Maybe others do too. So now that Barb is over there – the guy we love to hate or hate to love or whatever – we’ll all visit more often?

      • no need to feel guilty at all. Not trying to steal anybody from here or guilt them into double dipping. I don’t come here to recruit, I come here because I enjoy the convos.

        • BillW

          I know that and you are very ethical indeed. I feel guilty for myself because I’m missing good stuff. Jeff runs the “bar”, you run the “buffet”.

          • SC Dave

            Beer is good food

    • yeah, two of our guys (Lorin and Phil) have been doing a weekly podcast, and Phil has some connections. Also had Mason Foster, Sam Acho, Greg Gabriel.

  • willbest

    Why is Jeff yelling at the President? Did he interrupt the Duchess’s baby naming ceremony?

    • BillW

      I think Jeff hadn’t sent a tweet in about 15 minutes and he was going through withdrawal. It’s tough thinking of things to say that no one cares about.

      • Johnnywad

        Seems like you were able to pull it off quite well with this post.

        • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

          bang bang!

    • Doc Hamstring

      Given that the President has a public event, remarks, press conference, or diplomatic hosting (or trip) every day, it’s a little silly to insist the President shut up. And it’s not the President’s fault if the media covers him versus some other story.

      I’d say that about any President, be it Obama, Bush, Clinton, or (gulp) Santorum.

      Same thing with castigating a President for the vacations they take–a President in this day and age is never “on vacation.” They just do their job from somewhere other than the White House, and have a couple hours to play golf, swim, or whatever.

      • willbest

        Don’t have a lot of sympathy for presidents. They weren’t drafted. They sought out, raised and spent a billion to get it.

  • BillW

    I guess I need to read up on 3-4 schemes.

    First question though – where does the name “Ted” for the “other” ILB come from? Sounds like there is still a Mike LB (middle) and Will/Sam for the outside backers (weak side, strong side).

    Why “Ted”? I read two things – one said it’s the backer that replaces the tackle from a 4-3. The other indication I got – though maybe false – is that it was named in honor of The Stork -Ted Hendricks. (Like the 46 is named after Doug Plank’s number).

    Are either true?

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    Has anyone looked into the undrafted guys we signed? Kind of curious if there are any hidden gems.

    • BerwynBomber

      I watched a video of the QB from ECU. I liked what I saw — his decisions and passes were crisp — BUT he threw every pass from a shotgun formation — one of the Mariota knocks.

      Plus, it is hard to gauge a young QB’s accuracy from YT highlight packages. All they show are completed passes. To gauge in-game accuracy, incompletions (and INTs) usually tell more. And of course QB is such an intangible-driven position anyway.

      But hey, bring him to camp and see what happens. It is probably a 1-100 shot but once upon-a-time Tony Romo was an undrafted rookie QB. So lightning can strike.

  • I know we didn’t have many draft picks, but no CBs drafted. Makes me wonder if they like Hurst and Jean-Louis enough to give them a chance. McManis got resigned, but he’s more of a SP teamer for now.

    • they have 3 experienced guys (Fuller, Jennings, Ball) who will likely be their top 3. Three more (Louis-Jean, Hurst, McManis) competing for 1-2 backup spots, and that includes 2 youngsters with upside. They also signed 1 of the more highly regarded UDFA CBs in Jacoby Glenn.

      • Yeah, I actually like the prospects of Louis, Hurst and even McManis. They all flashed, esp Louis, but naturally were inconsistent. Maybe with real coaching that can get ironed out and we can save ourselves a draft pick next yr (and some $).
        Ball, I’ll wait an see. From what I’ve read, he’s solid, but always inj I think.

        • EnderWiggin

          Yeah. Louis, Hurst, and McManis are all good special teamers too.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hope they go with Fuller and Ball as the CBs. Amos as the Nickel, TJ the Dime.

        • you really think a 5th round rookie S is going to beat out a 2-time Pro Bowl veteran as a nickelback?

    • BerwynBomber

      CB was the one D position where we were in very good shape, especially with the addition of Ball. At worst we have two competent NFL starters and now a competent 3rd. Plus, LJ and Hurst each showed a little something (at times) last year. And McManis is a good ST player/fill-in dude.

      Frankly, I never understood those wanting a CB in this draft. At the expense of what position exactly?

      Yes, Jennings had a down year but much of it was due to poor communications as well as outsized expectations when he played over his head a few years ago. I bet if you watch the tape the only bad beats he suffers are those plays where communications break down. Otherwise his coverage remained pretty tight. Fuller looked outstanding. Yes, he got schooled by Aaron Rodgers and Calvin Johnson but who doesn’t? And he held his own against virtually everyone else.

      I am not convinced we will even need a CB in the ’16 draft unless Jennings’ age catches up to him.

  • Scott W.

    So, I celebrated my 58th birthday today by working on my fuel tanks, plowing one of my fields (until the plow failed – ugh – way too much fun when one kicks out), and shooting the shit with you all a little. Tonight, my wife is cooking one of my favorite dinners, and we’re going to watch some eps of the final season of “The Killing” on Netflix.

    Sounds exciting, huh? God, I’ve got to slow down a little……

    • GPLDAN

      Don’t forget to empty the catheter tube…

      • Scott W.

        …hooked it to the tractor hydraulics…I felt a pull….

    • happy birthday!

      • Scott W.

        Thanks SuperScribe.

      • Scott W.

        Yeah, work aside, it was. Thanks Jonathan.

    • Hey, happy 58th! We’ll all pitch in for a stripper, only catch…she’s from Wisconsin…

      • Johnnywad

        That means it’s gonna be a dude…..

        • Scott W.

          LOL

      • Scott W.

        …is she going to jump out of a cow’s uterus?

    • Doc Hamstring

      Hope the 58 handjobs the wife gives you don’t result in any blisters.

      • Scott W.

        I read that when my wife was in the kitchen, and spit tea all over my mashed potatoes………god………she went nuts trying to figure out what I was laughing at! Thanks heaps!

    • Waffle

      happy birthday Scotty.

      • Scott W.

        …..beaming people up since 1957……..thanks man.

    • Trac

      Happy birthday buddy.

      • Scott W.

        Thanks man. Only 730 days to go till the big 60!

    • Viva

      Happy B-Day Scott

      • Scott W.

        Thanks man…Spent part of the last 8 of em here, hoping you’d loan me your VIP Box tickets for at least a game….heh.

    • NewBearInTown

      Happy B-Day Scott. Doug Plank would give you his regards, but not all old timers are as good on the internets as you are.

      • Scott W.

        End of the day…back hurts like all hell, and after reading yer post, I couldn’t resist…

        https://youtu.be/1pGlPedni8Q

        thanks man.

        • Bears-4-Ever

          Happy B-Day, I’m just 10 years behind you but I can take comfort in knowing I will never catch up to you!

          Oh BTW thanks for the Plank Vid…one of my favorite Bears, even back in that day “spearing” was illegal and Plank did it anyway…damn I loved watching him kill WRs.

          • Scott W.

            He was awesome. Thanks man, glad you enjoyed the vid.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          Happy Birthday Old Timer!

          • Scott W.

            Eh? What’s that ye say! Speak up, you young bastard!

          • Scott W.

            Eh? What’s that ye say! Speak up, you young bastard!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Still a teenager, Scott! Happy birthday.

      • Scott W.

        Mentally, yeah…heh!

  • I love building the trenches, but I think POX showed vision when trying to bulk up the DT. Not just because Ratliff is nearing the end, but also if one surveys our division, I expect it to be very run-oriented this season.

    The Lions just drafted another mauling OG in Tomilinson to pair with Warford and a more physical HB in Abdullah. They also snatched up the guy I wanted to take a late round flier on in Zenner. The message is clear. They want to be a more physical run team.

    The Vikes also drafted OT TJ Clemmings and McKinnon began to come on. And oh, yeah, that AP dude.

    Pack will still rely on Vadge and Nelson, but they may decide to run the ball more with Fat Eddie.

    That’s not to mention other opponents in our schedule who are run heavy like the Hawks, Rams, Chiefs, 9ers and Broncos (surprisingly).

    We’re going to find out early if Goldman and gang are the real deal when they try to tackle Lynch, AP, Fat Eddie

    • one thing you see when watching a Fangio D… they gang tackle. I miss that about Chicago’s defense. Looking forward to it happening again.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Have you checked out Terry Williams yet, Butch?

      I’m pulling for the fat boys in camp.

      • Sactowns#1

        I do like me a big fat BJ Raji type in the middle to clog things up. Looks like Williams has a problem staying home and fighting through some of those blocks but he’s got good pursuit and he can still add some size via gut.

  • GPLDAN

    John Oliver on InBev’s Bud Light:

    “The feudal peasant covered in donkey shit of beers.”
    “The perfect beer for removing ‘no’ from your vocabulary for the night”
    “The liquid version of a John Mayer song.”
    “Like a beer someone already drank.”
    “Bud Light tastes like the urine of a scared rabbit”
    “It tastes like the ghost of a dead lemon”
    “If a nickel could urinate, it would taste like a Bud Light”
    “It tastes like Robert Durst’s aquarium”
    “It’s like someone drank a good Mexican beer and pissed in a Bud Light bottle”

    • haha. John Oliver has to be the funniest guy around now. He’s edgier than Colbert or Steward, and not as douchey as Maher.
      Perhaps a young Miller before he went Neo-con

      • Waffle

        Miller never went Neo Con, he’s for gay marriage and is pretty much pro choice. He’s a conservative on fiscal policy and foreign policy. He’s fucking awesome but to brand him a neo con is an insult to a guy that doesn’t fit into a shitty left or right party….like a lot of us.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He sucks Billy O Reilly’s cock on Fox. He’s dead to me.

          • Waffle

            I never got the vitriol for O’Reilly, who is the most tame and middle of the road out of the left and right entertainment news guys and girls. He gets blasted by the left for his views and blasted by the tea party guys as well. That’s probably a good thing.

          • BerwynBomber

            He is a pompous ass. Then again so is Olbermann. But O’Reilly’s biggest sin is his popularity and being the face of Fox.

            Btw, I am generally liberal in my politics but he has never bothered me. Just trying to offer an objective opinion.

          • BillW

            I tend toward conservative politics. And I used to watch O’Reilly and Olbermann both – along with Chris Matthews – during election times.

            Then O’Reilly had that whole “loofah” thing and he disgusted me so I stopped.

            I stopped watching Letterman for the same reason.

        • Big Mike

          I used to be “conservative”, but then conservative kept moving right…. My beliefs have always been to let people be themselves, lend a helping hand to folks that are struggling, keep the playing field level and spend government $ on infrastructure. When the power grid, air traffic control system and transportation network infrastructures (to name a few) are 50+ years old, does electing people based on whether or not they think two dudes can get married or not?

          But by far, the biggest problem in politics is the Citizens United ruling, that basically takes our votes away and gives them to corporations.

          • Waffle

            I hear you. I’m not too concerned about the social issues stuff but find it disingenuous the way the two sides use those very same issues to solidify their respective bases.
            I’m stuck in the middle politically and there is never a candidate that represents what I want so I just make my own money, live my life with my family and extended family and friends the way we want to live, help others when we can and leave others alone.

          • Big Mike

            Where are the passionate moderates ?

            For a time I thought it was a guy like McCain. John Warner from VA was a fantastic moderate.

          • Waffle

            I view the far left and right as borderline fanatics. The far left controls the democratic party and it’s embarrassing. The far right is gaining too much influence over the republican party.
            I’ve given up on politics and truly feel that we can do more in our communities and on a local level than we could ever do by electing some guy or girl who played the system and their stacked deck of cards correctly.

          • Big Mike

            I lean democratic and am socially pretty liberal. Growing up near Montrose and Elston, there really weren’t republicans. 🙂

            If I could do one thing to fix politics I would cap spending on running for office. ( I don’t have the details worked out, but it would be a bad ass hard cap like in sports). Break the cap, your out. If you get elected and its found out that you broke the rules, you’re out. The donation sized would also be capped.

            We the people, no longer control our elected officials. They come up with issues that to deflect our attention, while doing the bidding of less than 1000 organizations.

  • GPLDAN

    From Data’s site of videos – Amos v Temple

    I see everything the draft profile saw:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/adrian-amos?id=2552385

    Bad run support. Very bad blitzer, a safety with no blitz game.
    Highs: Good downfield anticipation, gets his eyes to the QB prior to the wideout at the NCAA level, has good instincts, rarely juked.

    Other low: Not physical. At all. Bad form tackler.

    He just seems like another Brock Vereen to me, except Vereen maybe a surer tackler. He doesn’t look 6’0 215 out there, maybe the Penn State blue thinning him.

    • Trac

      Let’s face it, the difference between the 6th and 7th pick was huge. In Fangio ‘ s scheme, the NT’s primary role is the draw double teams and jam the middle. I wouldn’t worry too much about his pass rush skills just yet. Anything past the 2nd round is a crap shoot. We know this.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, I didn’t understand DBB’s circle jerk over that pick either and personally thought Vereen was the better college player.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I saw two run plays, GP. On one he was exactly where he was supposed to be, on the other he was well-blocked by a much bigger man.

      This video highlights his skills better:

      Excellent coverage skills throughout. Great run support at 1:28, and towards the end of the video. And he’s as physical as it gets when he lays it.

      • madscout12

        I saw a lot of hits where he puts his arm down and launches his body sideways into the runner. I hate those hits, because in the NFL, there is a high probability a missed tackle.

        I saw very few to no hits where he squared up on the runner, hit him with his shoulder while wrapping his arms around him, and drove through the runner.

  • GPLDAN

    NFL.com on Goldman, negatives:

    WEAKNESSES

    Scouts consider him incomplete as a player due to his lack of consistent pass rush. Marginal burst upfield. Square rusher who hasn’t learned to get to shoulder of the guard consistently yet. Rushes with leg stiffness and plays too tall when attacking. No pet move to create an opening. Scouts have questions about whether or not he can be an explosive penetrator in a 4-3 front.

    That’s exactly what jumps out here:

    Guy has no pass rush moves. Just a lane stuffer. Often works himself out of the lane due to poor ball carrier vision. I feel less positive about Goldman after watching his tape v the Gators.

    • To be fair, most big men struggle with penetrating (that’s what she said!). It can practically be universally applied to anyone in the 320 range (and if not, then they’re a top 5 pick).
      Heck, lots of folks said the same about Williams, and that’s probably why he dropped.

      As long as he can hold the POA, stack and shed, and bull-rush to collapse the pocket, that’d be good for a 2nd rounder.

      If he develops effective clubs, swins, spins and counters…watch out…

    • Irish Sweetness

      Williams has a great spin move and I wouldn’t be surprised if he does better for us.

  • GPLDAN

    Silicon Valley CEO dies from blunt force head trauma next to a treadmill?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/05/04/goldberg-death-already-causing-ripple-effect/26875183/

    Irish? Care to chime in here?

    • Doc Hamstring

      Reminds me of the guy who bought the Segway compoany, then he died shortly afterward when his Segway rolled off a cliff.

      • GPLDAN

        Ultimate Doh!

  • Well, since the Bears are facing the NFCW, it’s nice to have Fangio on board. He’s very familiar with what they run and has had success limiting their attack.

  • “Ego Ferguson must know he is not a big part of the team’s future. So must Ka’Deem Carey. Alshon Jeffery must know now the Bears are skeptical of his ability to be an elite, game-changing wide receiver. ”

    Here’s how I think I would phrase this: “Ego Ferguson must know he has to earn the right to be a big part of the team’s furute. So must Ka’Deem Carey. Alshon Jeffery must know now the Bears are not going to hand him a fat extension just because they have no other options, so he’ll have to prove to the new regime he has the ability to be an elite, game-changing wide receiver.”

    That’s exactly what it is to me. Pace isn’t saying those guys AREN’T part of the solution, he’s just giving himself options in case they don’t prove they are.

  • BillW

    Scott –
    I missed your birthday post. . Happy Birthday! . You’re still in your early fifties. Next year is starts your late fifties. They go for a while:
    Fifty nine
    Fifty ten
    Fifty eleven
    Etc

  • NewBearInTown


    Kevin White v. Texas. Some takeaways from that game.
    1) He had a lot of catches for a guy being double or triple teamed, so not a bad performance.
    2) We hardly see any YAC from White. The double teams, etc. definitely didn’t help either. Still, you’d like to see an elite prospect have a bit more success. A couple of the bubble screens, for example, you get the sense that he could do a better job using his blockers to create a lane to open field.
    3) The route running could definitely be crisper. It just comes down to White making his cuts crisper and more natural. That interception was on the QB for not reading the safety, but White’s route made it pretty easy to see where the ball was going.
    4) On several routes it is clear that White was ahead of the QB. He plays very fast, which will be a better asset in the NFL with Cutler’s bigger arm and better timing. Still, if he doesn’t clean up the routes, NFL safeties will eat him alive (and make Cutler look bad doing it).

    • Irish Sweetness

      Don’t receivers get a three year period to come along though?

      • Trac

        Even Bernard Berrian was given 4 years before we shipped him off to the queens.

        • Johnnywad

          He wasn’t the 7th pick in the draft

      • willbest

        These days you expect a sophomore surge.

    • Trac

      White’s success is going to hinge on how well he’s utilized and coached up. If our D can keep the games competitive, nobody except the opposing teams will be worried about this cat’s abilities.

    • Doc Hamstring

      As long as he runs better routes than Johnny Knox…

      • AlbertInTucson

        Johnny RAN them. His flaw was too often not FINISHING them which, I guess, is not running them so, never mind.

  • Trac
    • willbest

      So we are drafting 4th next year

      • Big Mike

        The validity of post draft rankings is bad enough to be ridiculous. We all know that. But how bad are they. I did some analysis. It’s mind boggling how inaccurate these are. Comparing the post draft rankings from BR with the inverse of the teams draft order (1=32, 2=31 etc) and ignoring trades.. there were only 9 teams that were within 3 spots of their post draft rankings. There were 12 teams where the prediction was off by more than 10 spots. There were 9 teams where the prediction was off by between more than 5 and less than 10.

        Leading off the parade of over achievers, BR had the Steelers ranked 29th and the Cowboys ranked 24th. The Steelers won 11 games and the Cowboys won 12 and their division. Their positions from the Post Draft BR ranking to the Draft Order were off by 19 and 18 spots respectively.

        You know what’s coming next…. The loser parade is led by the Bears and the 49ers.
        The Bears position was overestimated by 20 spots. The 49ers by 19.

        Adding to the hilarity of these rankings, is their arbitrary nature. From the post draft rankings to the ranking taken just before the pre-season STARTED, 16 teams moved up or down at least 5 spots. Emphasis .. NO GAMES played. The Rams and and Cardinals dropped 8 slots, while the Steelers rose 14 spots.

        So if this presents a crystal ball, you’ll be happy to note that the team that was identified as the 4th worst team in this same ranking last year, was the Pittsburgh Steelers who finished with 11 wins.

    • BillW

      I wish I didn’t click on that.

      BUT it’s a power ranking, not an end of season projection. Right now the Bears are near the bottom of the league until they prove otherwise.

    • Big Mike

      Last year the Steelers were ranked 29th in this same report, they had 11 wins. The Bears were ranked 6th, they won 5 games. The Cowboys were ranked 24th. They had 12 wins. The Ravens were ranked 21st, they won 10 games.

      6 of the 9 lowest ranked teams in the 2014 BR post-draft ranking were .500 or better.

  • Trac

    Jeff Twats:

    “How did no team call La’el Collins’ bluff & draft him in 7th? He gets charged you never sign him. If he doesn’t you have exclusive rights.”

    Simple answer: Because everything in this country is now politicized.

    • Big Mike

      You only have his rights for a year. I looked that up in the collective bargaining agreement. (surprisingly the whole thing is on line). Then he goes back into the draft.

      • willbest

        It would be pretty hard to police leaking such documents because you are going to hand copies to 3000 people who you then require to talk to the press on a regular basis.

        Might as well just publish them online and then you don’t have to worry about athletes fielding questions about a legal document. Plus its not like there is another football organization in competition with them.

        It is also possible that there is some sort of NLRB rule that union contracts need to be made public.

        • Big Mike

          I guess I shouldn’t be surprised it was online, but I was surprised at how easy it was to find. It was on the NFLPA site and I think the NFLs site. Hadn’t thought about it being a rule.

      • Trac

        I think a team should have spent a second rounder on him. If the guy doesn’t sign, you get a compensatory pick.

    • Doc Hamstring

      “Politicized”?

      How is drafting/signing La’el Collins “politicized”? It would be a problematic move (from a PR standpoint) for an image-focused business. And if he’s innocent, it’s problematic because he says he would hold out and re-enter the draft–so a labor/capital dispute.

      It’s no more “politicized” than it would be 50 years ago–except that 50 years ago the player would have no option.

      • Trac

        My point is that the decision to stay away from certain players is rooted in avoiding fallout instead of just doing the right thing. In my book, that’s a poll-litical decision. Teams told that cat that they couldn’t draft him until the matter was resolved. I think you’ve bought into a political world view doc and you don’t even know the difference anymore. Just my opinion from reading your posts over the years.

        Just exercising the 2nd amendment. He he.

        • Well, some GMs are human, and they don’t like the idea of hiring a baby killer.
          Just like employers in any other field.
          That would be the opposite of political – principled.

          • Trac

            But he’s not. At least he’s not one yet. That’s my point. Is there a body of work that suggests his character would suggest that? Big difference.

          • Body of work, like there’s serial prego baby killers?
            I think even the possibility of it being true is enough. I know if I were interviewing an employee, and he told me he was being questioned for that crime, I know I would def hold off on hiring him, that’s for sure.
            Heck, I think even the military who likes killers would turn him away.

          • Trac

            My point is that he has only been questioned and that because of the bad publicity nobody was willing to draft him where he should have been drafted. Robert Kraft testified in a Murder case for a player he drafted that had a bad rep. What has changed between drafting Hernandez and Collins? Public awareness or public scrutiny?. That’s politics. At least an aspect of it anyway. No team should be unfairly ridiculed for drafting a guy that has been characterized by the police as not a suspect. He should have been drafted.

        • Doc Hamstring

          “Avoiding fallout” = “political”?

          Yeah, I think we’re coming at this with two different definitions of “political.”

          Not to get all PhD-y on you, but a basic definition of “politics” is “the implementation, through policy, of power.” Policy being the laws and norms of governance. Power being the ability to influence the behavior of others to the point where they would do things they would otherwise not do. So, in short, I read “politics” in the wider context of the laws, regulations, and expectations that shape society (and are, in turn, shaped by society).

          I think what you’re referring to is an organization subject to media and societal scrutiny doing what is most expedient and most likely to result in a favorable response.

          They’re related, but not quite the same.

          For the record, my dissertation was about the representations and reflections of power in media accounts of war (and other armed conflicts). So I get pedantic on this stuff in a damn hurry, yeah.

          • Trac

            I guess it depends on what the word “is”, is? Lol.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Disagree. Otherwise Leonard Little would have never seen the field again after his fatal drunk driving incident in 998.

    • if you draft him, he can refuse to sign and re-enter the draft in 2016, which he threatened to do.

      If he goes undrafted, he cannot re-enter the draft.

      I still would have been mighty tempted to take the risk, especially with a supplemental 7th round pick.

      • BillW

        Don’t know much about the 7th round money vs undrafted free agent. I assume there are caps on each? That is, it’s not like he can go sign some huge deal like a vet free agent could. I don’t think money wise it makes that much of a difference. Where it helps obviously is he can pick his own team

        But I would have thought he’d rather sit out a year and be redrafted higher. (assuming he’s cleared.) That’s where he and his agent messed up. Should not have tipped his hand. Keep his mouth shut, see what happens in the draft, and THEN make your decision.

        • as a 7th round pick, you get about a $50k signing bonus. As a UDFA, each team gets a total of about $85k in signing bonuses to hand out, but it’s exceedingly rare for one guy to go over $10k, maybe $12k tops, and most teams will have handed out the majority of that money already.

          In terms of salary, they both get minimum salaries, it’s just that UDFA is a 3 year deal, while 7th round pick is a 4 year deal. So a UDFA can be extended after 2 years, draft pick has to wait 3. And you can negotiate how much of the salary to guarantee. Usually that’s zero, sometimes up to $100k (aka practice squad salary), but a team could fully guarantee Collins’ 3 year contract.

          http://overthecap.com/what-can-lael-collins-earn-as-an-undrafted-free-agent/

  • GPLDAN

    No tears for the assholes who attacked in Garland & died. Doesn’t mean the target event organizers are not assholes. – Jeff retweets McKean

    There were two security guards guarding the event. One was an off duty traffic cop with a service revolver and the other was a school guard. The latter being not true law enforcement. The attackers attack with assault rifles (AKMs, a common variant of the AK47) and body armor (although it may have just been LBE). They shoot the school guard in the leg, he goes down.

    The traffic cop goes to his service revolver, a .357. He HEADSHOTS both of them, John Wick style, before they take step two steps away from their car. Jihadi down. Tango down.

    So yeah, organizing an event to draw their prophet getting bufu’ed is asking for trouble, but kudos to that officer who dropped those fuckers cold, bang bang. Dude needs a promotion from traffic cop… stat. Welcome to Texas…

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Well just a side note, I think communists are assholes, but it doesn’t give me or anyone else the right to attack one of their meetings. The communists have a right to meet and talk about how shitty America is and how they would like to overthrow the government system and replace it with their own. They have a right to do that in this Country, no matter how I disagree with it. That is what makes America different. Free speech is the first amendment for a reason, not free speech for things we all agree on, but rather the speech that may piss someone off. Those attackers got exactly what they deserve and the organizers of that cartoon contest have NOTHING to apologize for.

      • BillW

        I can’t and won’t argue with that (mostly because I agree) and yet one has to wonder where the “screaming ‘fire’ in a crowded theater” exclusion of free speech comes in. Not here – I’m not saying that. But look at it this way – if I go into a crime torn area of the city (that let’s say is predominantly black) and start shouting the N-word with hatred at the top of my lungs – I’d probably come to some harm. And my loved ones’ first thoughts would likely be “what the hell was he thinking, doing that”.

        I doubt they would say “well, he has a first amendment right to do what he did”.

        What the hell were these “cartoonists” thinking? I think we all know exactly what they were thinking. This was not a cartoonist convention that happened upon that subject.

        Wrong is wrong – but sometimes wrong can be avoided.

        • Big Mike

          The first amendment is exceedingly complex with regards to what constitutes protected speech. Having the “Right” to do something, doesn’t protect you from the consequences of your action. When harm is brought to others based on the predictable consequences of your right to free speech, that’s where it gets complex.

          • BillW

            Exactly – and if one of those guards got killed, would the “cartoonists” have felt any responsibility? They hired guards knowing something like that could happen. One has to wonder if politically they were even wanting it to happen.

            I don’t know – I’m walking too far into something I know too little about. I’m just glad no one was hurt seriously (except the attackers).

          • Big Mike

            I don’t know how they would have felt. I imagine they’d have felt pretty bad. Who’d have thought “ISIS” would have sent a crew with AKs ..

          • Bears-4-Ever

            I think the “cartoonists” were trying to make the point on how some “groups” are extremely radical, and to sugarcoat their actions as sometimes done in the media, is somewhat misguided. Did they expect to get attacked? Perhaps. I think they expected trouble since they paid extra money for extra security. I’m assuming the trouble they expected was anything that would bring to light the radicals involved with the group they would obviously upset with this contest.

            Sure they can disguise it with the “free speech” argument, but there is more to it than that. Was it risky? Yes. Could more innocent people have been hurt? Yes. Does that make what they did wrong? Well Legally no, but common sense tells use that if we are looking for trouble we will get it. I’m not condoning their method. At the very least two radical nut cases are going into the ground and I agree and glad no others got hurt seriously.

          • GPLDAN

            The first amendment is not exceeding complex. It’s deceptively simple.

            The years of caselaw that have developed around the amendment is complex.

          • Big Mike

            And? of course it is the case law that is complex.

          • GPLDAN

            And it’s a federalist issue. State and Federal courts conflict, things that would get you arrested in Illinois might get you elected in Texas, etc

          • Big Mike

            and then there is that. Ironically, with regards to freedom of speech the federal government largely restricts states from enacting laws that are deemed to be outside of the boundaries of the federal law.

    • Big Mike

      Nice shooting.. yes you are asking for trouble. But you have the right to display your “art”

    • AlbertInTucson

      Happy ending to be sure, but the event’s concept of “security” in the climate they chose was a bad joke.

    • Trac

      I thought it was one of the most brilliant sting operations of my lifetime. He he.

    • Waffle

      haha, they got fucking Keanu’d.
      ISIS has to claim responsibility because they desperately want to push the idea that they are in America despite no attacks until this situation.
      I can see them sitting around in some meeting with a checklist….
      “note to self, no more attacks in Texas”……..

  • GPLDAN

    Pace lets Marty Barrett go from Director of College Scouting up at Halas.

    All the scouting directors are getting the axe post-draft. A medicore organization needs all it’s sub-par performers rooted out, top to bottom. Pace is on his way….

    • Big Mike

      That’s pretty much a known. Just like coaches get the ax the Monday after the last game of the regular season. Do you know if Pace has his own guys lined up?

      • BillW

        I think the Jets did the same thing. You have to keep these guys on through the draft. I assume Pace paid little if any attention to their recommendations. Just used them for grunt work.

        You do have to wonder how a fired scout for a 5-11 team handles himself in an interview (assuming he even gets one). Probably backpedals faster than a cornerback. “I TOLD them Shea was a bad pick, but they wouldn’t listen…”

        • they have guys throughout other organizations they’ve made ties with through the years. Might have to take a demotion though. When Chris Ballard fleed the SS Emery before it sunk, he landed on his feet in KC.

        • willbest

          Keep in mind scouts aren’t just evaluating the drafted players, they are evaluating all the players. So all they need to do is demonstrate that some solid percentage of their scouting reports were accurate. And if they are the one that wrote the report on Kyle Long, then they are probably looking at a marginally fancier job title and a pay bump.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            yeah but if the same scout gave the report on CD then he’s fucked.

      • Pace brought Josh Lucas with him from NO and gave him the job title Director of Player Personnel. He’s basically Pace’s right hand man. Involved in both college and pro scouting. Being groomed as a future GM.

  • BillW

    I know this is the time of year that people have doubts about draft choices. And it’s because no one is perfect. They all have flaws that if not corrected will hurt them in the pro game.

    The key is “if not corrected”. As many here pointed out, it’s up to the coaches now. I assume all the guys they drafted are very coachable. I hope that was one of the criteria Pace used. I’ve done no studies on this, but I suspect a lot of the big draft busts were busts because they were not coachable.

    I remember there was a player the Bears drafted that some wondered just how good he’d be. I distinctly remember being encouraged by Johnny Morris saying he thought he’d turn into a “pretty good player”.

    That was Walter Payton.

    • I think the coaches Chicago showed the biggest vote of confidence in during this draft were WR, OL, and LB.
      WR because of Kevin White… if you don’t have a good WR coach, that was a wasted top 10 pick. If you do, and the kid’s work ethic is as good as they say, you just got an eventual superstar.
      OL because of Tayo. He’s such a project that there’s no point in spending a draft pick on him unless you believe your OL coach can develop him.
      LB because they didn’t spend a pick there. Lot of young guys with potential already on the roster, and they’re betting on the LB coach to develop a few of them into solid players.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, Tampa interviewed 75 people regarding Jameis Winston’s character.

    Doesn’t the fact that you feel the need to interview SEVENTY-FIVE people kind of indicate a problem?

    • I think the bigger problem is that they interviewed 75 people and not one of them was the person who accused him of rape and has been in court with him for several years about that.

      Just like the Bears bragging about their extensive background checks on Ray McDonald and then having McCaskey publicly engage in victim shaming when saying he didn’t talk to any of the women who accused McDonald of domestic violence and/or rape.

      It’s not so much that the Bears signed McDonald, it’s how they did it that infuriated me. When the owner of you franchise talks about the guy he just signed being a good guy because he talked to him and his parents and was told so, and then publicly says the victim’s story will be unreliable without ever having talked to her, there is something MASSIVELY wrong.

      • Scott W.

        Yeah, something so patently deflective is pretty stupid.

    • BearDown100393

      Jameis & Lovie can open a Red Lobster together in about 2 or 3 years.

  • AlbertInTucson

    The drum beating for “Mayweather-Pachiao II” begins.

    Because Saturday night didn’t stink enough.

    • GPLDAN

      That was a $100M heist, a long con worthy of Oceans 11.

    • And guess who’ll “win” that fight so part III can happen?
      This is why I stopped watching boxing.
      Why anyone would pay to watch ANY Mayweather “fight” is beyond me. It’s gotten to a point where he wins by default, by simply not getting knocked and landing more jabs that never hurt.

      Everyone’s just paying to see him get beat down, but it never happens because he just ducks, blocks and runs, and then the other guy just gases out.

      Someone just has to go Tyson on his ass. Go all out for the first 2 rds, and if you don’t knock him out and lose, so be it.

    • And guess who’ll “win” that fight so part III can happen?
      This is why I stopped watching boxing.
      Why anyone would pay to watch ANY Mayweather “fight” is beyond me. It’s gotten to a point where he wins by default, by simply not getting knocked and landing more jabs that never hurt.

      Everyone’s just paying to see him get beat down, but it never happens because he just ducks, blocks and runs, and then the other guy just gases out.

      Someone just has to go Tyson on his ass. Go all out for the first 2 rds, and if you don’t knock him out and lose, so be it.

    • Waffle

      Headline: “Mayweather open to rematch”
      should have read:
      “Mayweather open to making 100 Million Dollars again”

  • GPLDAN
  • As for “The Rebuild”, what constitutes a rebuild in the NFL?
    Emery was going all in, that much few can contest. So he signed a bunch of guys in FA.
    But so did Pace.
    Why would you pay a 30 yr old safety in Rolle if you were rebuilding? Or 30 yr old McDonald? or why Ball?
    Wouldn’t you just go with younger cheaper options to “groom”? They’re both going to take snaps away from “building blocks”. And if say, Vereen and Sutton, Bostic, Shea, Jean-Louis, etc suck, so be it. Draft high next year like most “rebuilds” do.

    I don’t think it’s black-and-white, “All-in”/”Rebuild”.

    I think we’re somewhere inbetween – maybe, Retool?

    • GPLDAN

      NFL is not for long. A new regime needs to assemble a .500 team. These GMs are getting 3-year plans now, as in: get me to the championship or the Bowl in three years or you are out.

      Last year the team shit the bed.

      This year, Pace wants to build a 8-8 team with foundation components. Not all the vets on 1-year deals will be here when we get there in 2017. And that’s ok, we know that.

      Next year, he will want at least a 10-6 team and a wildcard.

      Year after, he will want another playoff run, hopefully deeper or something that shows in year 3 the team is 1 away from winning it all.

      You are either getting better or getting worse.

      • I’m with you. He’s building for the future but also remaining competitive now.

        • And I think that’s my point

          99% of all new GMs I would assume go by that philosophy – build for the future, but remain competitive.

          But is that really a “rebuild”? Perhaps we’re thinking of the baseball model, or a 70s model when coaches and GMs where given years for that, but that is no longer the case as GP accurately relayed.

          Maybe that is “rebuild” in the 2010s NFL, but it just doesn’t seem like it to me. Might be semantics, but think we’re “retooling” or “reloading” more than “rebuilding”, in which case I don’t think “rebuild” in the classic sense does exist in the modern NFL.

          • GPLDAN

            The alternative is to have the Suck for Luck deliberate tank. Only entrenched GMs with high ownership ties would try that or an owner like Dan Snyder who orders it from the top.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            That tank job cost Caldwell and Polian their jobs.

          • I think it’s a rebuild when the GM’s primary focus is on building the best team for 2016/17 instead of right now.

            Doesn’t mean he’s punting on right now, but if Pace was trying to win the SB in 2015 I think his draft would have looked a bit different.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Teams still need to utilize something like 85% of the cap or they get penalized somehow. so you still need Vets that are getting paid more.

      • I considered that, but between Cutty, Allen, Forte, Houston, Gould, etc, we’re not the Raiders or Jags hording that $. Plus, we can always roll over the cap, I think.

  • As for the La’el Collins issue, I find it hard to believe that 32 teams “independently” concluded not to take a 7th round flier on him, esp those 7th rd compensation picks. What’s Mr. Irrelevant, like #242 and a bag of chips? For a Top 5 OT?

    There had to be collusion, which Collins I think can take to court.

    And if the owners can so deftly collude on this subject, you know an invisible framework of collusion exists for other matters, which the NFLPA has been claiming for years.

    It’s kinda naive to assume otherwise, IMO.

    I doubt the owners put collusion in their memos or emails though. They probably act more like the mafia sending their trusted consiglieres in their steads.

    Whoever signs him will basically be getting an extra 1st rd pick.

    • Collins’ agent threatened he wouldn’t sign if drafted.

      Two possibilities:

      1) Didn’t realize not being drafted removed all leverage and now he has to sign somewhere as a UDFA

      2) Deliberate tactic because in this case being a UDFA is better. Can pick where he goes and get his 2nd contract a year sooner. Not to mention he gets to be in a “bidding war” now, which won’t mean anything for total money but does for guaranteed $$. Can say he’ll only sign with a team if they fully guarantee his 3 year deal, which guarantees him $1.5M.

      I’m guessing #2. Agent realized going UDFA was a much better option for him and basically dared teams to draft him.

      • Yeah, but pick #242…heck, normally that “Mr. Irrelevant” is a throw away pick 99% of the time (hence, the name).
        Also, I read that if he were to get drafted, Collins would not have been able to opt out and re-enter the next draft, though I hear conflicting legal reports on this.
        Still, there HAD to be some sort of collusion.

      • Doc Hamstring

        I read something somewhere that teams have a limited pool of $ to spend on UDFA signing bonuses, and UDFA contracts are already limited by the CBA (to be less than what drafted players would get). So holding out for a “bidding war” is not an option for UDFA.

        • no, the bidding war is that teams can guarantee portions-or all-of his salary for the next 3 years. With 32 teams competing for his services, he can demand a fully guaranteed 3 year contract. If somebody drafted him, he’d have much less leverage to demand that, because it was sign with them or sit a year.

        • no, the bidding war is that teams can guarantee portions-or all-of his salary for the next 3 years. With 32 teams competing for his services, he can demand a fully guaranteed 3 year contract. If somebody drafted him, he’d have much less leverage to demand that, because it was sign with them or sit a year.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      i would not have been surprised if Goodell sent out a ‘double secret’ memo through an old fashion teletype machine that they could destroy the record quickly to all GMs to stay away. or even better Goodell sent a SnapChat dick pic to all GMs with the caption to tell them to not draft him.

    • Doc Hamstring

      I don’t think there might not have been any collusion, but you don’t need a conspiracy to explain something that can be more easily explained by stupidity.

      When Collins let it be known he would re-enter the draft if he wasn’t taken high enough, no team wanted to risk even a 7th-rounder on him. It would be an absolute wasted pick, and if he does turn out to be dirty, then you blow a 7th-rounder AND take a PR hit.

      Collins shot himself in the foot.

  • GPLDAN

    Almost like the Bears have a professional head coach now.

    That was Fox being nice to Kirwan and setting the table with the press. In reality, I think Long stumped for the guy behind the scenes. And that’s fine if he can play. Great character is great. Chris Zorich was an awesome human being while he was a Bear. Problem was, he wasn’t an all-Pro talent. Leadership and work ethic need the talent to back it up. Hopefully Grasu can get stronger and meaner.

    • It’s funny cuz most on Da Blog wanted another Olin, a mean SOB who can demolish foes.
      Instead, we drafted a younger Garza.

      • GPLDAN

        I guess Garza, for being old and worn down, was still a tank in the weight room. 4 bills a dozen times strong. His S&C was redunkulous, but he was getting slow slow and so he goes.

        • Yes, but can he swing those weights at a teammates head, like Olin?

          • GPLDAN

            My NFL Insider app where I bought all the games for $39 still works. I can watch all of last year’s games on my iPad. Eventually it will quit working.

            Watching last year’s games is a special kind of weird. But one thing really stands out in the All-22 view: Garza was getting plowed. Could not maintain the A gap, just a mess in there.

          • cannot man the a gap, just a mess in there…
            yes, quite.

          • “Watching last year’s games is a special kind of weird. ”

            Yep. It most definitely is.

    • BearDown100393

      Zorich was still better at football than running a non profit properly.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Sad, but true.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Let’s go back and look at the multi-year extensions handed out by Phil Emery after the 2013-14 season:

    Jay Cutler: 7yrs, $126M, $54M g’teed. Been discussed ad nauseam so I won’t discuss here.

    Matt Slauson: 4 yrs, $12.8M, $4.9M g’teed. IR, played in only 5 games.

    Tim Jennings: 4 yrs, $22.4M, $11.8M g’teed. Regressed. Thanks Mel Tucker. He must’ve had a weird $1 Trading Places bet with Trestman that he could take a Pro Bowler and turn him into absolute shit.

    Robbie Gould: 4 yrs, $15M, $8.85M g’teed. Missed 3 of 12 FG’s and an XPE before ending the season injured, but Trestman never noticed because he didn’t use him anyway.

    Jay Ratliff (technically not an extension, but signed during the exclusive negotiating window): 2 yrs. $3.75M: Played in 11 games. Flashed in the MIA game with 3.5 sacks and had sacks in 3 of the last 4 games he played in. Still can’t stay healthy but of all the multi-year extensions handed out after 2013-14 by PE this was the best value by a mile.

    Someone go back and do the multi-year FA contracts handed out after ’13-’14 with comments for each. Between this list and the FA one, you can see part of the reason last season fell apart. I know it’s hard to judge after one season, but geez. Here’s hoping these guys earn ‘dem checks going forward.

    • willbest

      You forgot Allen, Houston, and Young. Young already performed his entire 9 million contract in 2014 with his double digit sack performance. Whatever he does the next two years is a bonus.

      Allen was the victim of a perfect storm. His illness took him out for a few weeks, and by the time he got back to form the offense imploded, the coverage wasn’t there, and they were playing from behind. And the icing on the cake is we switched to 3-4 making him a limited role sub-package guy with a $12.5 million dollar cap hit.

      Houston… yeah don’t even know what to think about that.

    • madscout12

      Believe it or not, the worst of those is Jennings. With his age and size, even with his past performance, his 2013 just didn’t warrant that contract.

  • Sactowns#1

    Happy cinco- such a California holiday.

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