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Grasu Pick Not Sexy, But Substantial

| May 5th, 2015

Hroniss-Grasu

“His makeup is outstanding. When you talk about work ethic, team captain, leadership all those traits that we stress around here, he brings those to the table.”

-Ryan Pace

The Bears expect Kevin White to be a star but third-round pick Hroniss Grasu could be the most important piece of establishing their new identity. Taking Grasu in the third round wasn’t sexy and wasn’t expected, but it’s not unlike 1998 when the Bears spent the 64th pick on Olin Kreutz. One major difference: Grasu’s impact should be felt more immediately.

Kreutz didn’t play much as a rookie for the Bears and it took him nearly four years to get his feet set. When he established himself, the Bears became the NFL’s biggest surprise team, going 13-3 with Anthony Thomas leading the way. The next few years they suffered through the end of the Dick Jauron era before Lovie Smith came. After Smith hired Ron Turner, the Bears reestablished their power offense and Kreutz was the best offensive player on a team that went to the Super Bowl.

Grasu is two years older than Kreutz was entering the league and comes with 52 collegiate starts. While many are quick to dismiss his collegiate experience as playing in a gimmick offense, it is the same offense Kyle Long played in before starting — and playing well — as a rookie with far less experience. The new Bears center even said his new team is going to be doing many of the same things his college team did.

John Fox wants to run the ball. Given their roster, we can expect the Bears to be in spread formations a significant amount of the time. It’s not how Fox did it in Carolina but the league has changed and Fox has evolved with offensive coordinator Adam Gase.

The Broncos operated out of the shotgun the majority of the time last year and with heavy investments in White, Eddie Royal and Alshon Jeffery already on board, you can expect the Bears to do the same. With Grasu, they have a center who can snap the ball on target — a major issue for Roberto Garza over the years — and then make a block. It’s a skill most rookie centers don’t have, but Grasu showed it consistently at Oregon.

I don’t know if Grasu is going to dominate as a rookie, but it isn’t unusual to see rookie center play at a high level. Learning the exotic blitzes the likes of Mike Zimmer and Dom Capers are going to throw at him will take time. As will getting use to some of the physical defensive tackles he’s going to see over the course of a 16-game season.

With Grasu, the Bears have a guy who has a chance to be more than just a guy. They have a guy who has a chance to become The Guy.

Young players get blasted for who they hang out with, but in Grasu’s case that works in his favor. He and Long have both spoken about their friendship off the field. While Grasu may not have the talent Long has, he has similar traits both on and off the field. He’s the kind of player the Bears want.

With a 60-year-old coach and two coordinators who want head coaching jobs ASAP, the Bears aren’t going to wait forever to win. They need Grasu to be ready sooner rather than later. He has the ability, the intelligence, experience and attitude to help them, if not from Day One, then very soon.

Grasu is going to be a big part of the team’s identity going forward. He is a smart and tough player, a battery mate for Long as the team establishes who they are going forward. If there is one player from this draft class who symbolizes who the Bears are going to be, it’s Grasu.

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  • Scott W.

    Okay man. If yer sold, I’m all in. Kyle was sure a smart move. Why not Grass?

  • I think we have to judge the pick by who else was available at that pick. Here’s that rd, (not to mention other players in later rds being available).

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:3

    So the real question: who ELSE besides Grasu would you have drafted?

    Some notable players: HB Tevin Coleman, QB Grayson, CB P.J. Williams, OLB/Edge Eli Harold, DT Carl Davis…

    • GPLDAN

      I noticed the Bengals a few picks later picked up another TE named Tyler

      http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/tyler-kroft?id=2552586

      Eifert has been a bust so far, torn labrum and broken elbow. I wanted Eifert in that draft, so clearly I picked badly. He may have a year this year for Cincy and the magic underperforming Lewis gang.

      • I thought Eifert would be good too. Good TEs seem to come out of nowhere. I can’t remember a stud coming out of the 1st. Maybe that Chief’s TE.
        Anyone who’s ever played FF knows what a pain the behind it is to project productive TEs.
        Bennett I think was a top 5, and Girly Thor like #2.

        • DaMurph

          Vernon Davis, Olsen, Shockey, Jermaine Gresham on Bengals all first rounders. Gresham is why Eifert hasnt been used as much, Gresham was pro bowl a few years ago. Theres been some first rounders that have been pretty good.

          • Trac

            I don’t disagree with those guys being good, I just don’t like the risk reward ratio when drafting a TE that high.

          • Trac

            Ditka???

          • Murph, your’e back?! Were you a former 1sr round TE? lol

            A very valid argument can be made that all those TEs you mentioned have underachieved or underperformed.
            1. Vernon Davis was supposed to be the new type of TE. Just a monster. Never quite lived up to the billing, though still solid.
            2. Olsen. Well, we all know that story. We got, what, a 3rd? That’s probably where he should’ve gone.
            3.. Gresham. Same thing. Just OK. That’s why they probably drafted a TE high lately.
            4. Shockey. Came on strong but burned out (almost the opposite of Olsen). All I remember about Shockey is him wining like a bitch all the time.

            Meanwhile, Gronk, Graham, Gonzo and Gates all fall out of the 1st (not to mention many other TEs who produced as much as those guys you mentioned like Witten, Heath Miller, or even Bennet when given the chance).

        • Trac

          I’m not a fan of drafting TE ‘ S, NT’S or guards in the first round. The pain is too great if you whiff at those positions in the 1st round.

        • Irish Sweetness

          You just wait until the freaks show up with production, then ride that waiver like a two dollar whore.

        • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

          Greg Olsen I would classify as a stud that wasn’t used properly in Chicago, as we all know.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Don’t fall into the trap of saying a guy who got injured would’ve been a bad pick in hindsight. Maybe if the Bears pick him, he doesn’t get injured. Maybe if the Raiders pick him, he ends up in a wheelchair.

        Especially broken bones–those are most often freak injuries. Tendons, ligaments, cartilage… you can, a little, attribute those injuries sometimes to bad technique, to bad conditioning, to bad training, to laziness, etc. But broken bones? Nope.

        In other words, a guy getting injured doesn’t make him a bad pick. It means, more often, he just had bad luck. Look at Colombo. That knee injury he had was freakish bad luck.

      • Irish Sweetness

        They also picked up one of the most talented bad-boys at linebacker, Paul Dawson. Another Burfict?

      • Big Mike

        Can’t hate a pick for those types of injuries. Sucks for everyone, but Eifert might still be everything he was projected to be.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I had a boner for Carl Davis. Clearly the Bears didn’t. But we’ve been ill-prepared since Olin Kreutz, and that’s not yesterday. We allowed Olin and Lac to leave the building without any heirs apparent, just terrible. Complete lack of planning.

      So who else was there? Nobody as important as he will be to us.

      • Trac

        Bingo. Nail on the head Irish.

  • willbest

    I thought the pick was unexpected because I would have thought there would be plenty of other players that filled a need rated as high or higher. You can still find valuable contributing rookies in the 3rd particularly near the top, and I just felt with Montgomery on board (was a center for the Fox/Gase broncos) that center was a position of less pressing importance.

    I am not unhappy with it because the O-line (like the D-line) always needs help.

    edit: Cliff is the best in the business. I am glad he has survived the Pace purge so far, and hope he is a Bear for a good long while.

    • NewBearInTown

      Cliff isn’t going anywhere. The Bears know he’s one of the best at his job and as far as I can tell he isn’t really “under” Pace in the grand hierarchy.
      Grasu was a player that I liked going into the draft, but didn’t really have much thought on what round he should go in. Center is a lower valued position than, say, tackle, so taking Grasu at the top of the third is like taking a tackle at the top of the second. I have the same expectations of Grasu that I do of Goldman in terms of development and ceiling. This was a great pick.
      Montgommery is a stop-gap for a year or two until Grasu can become The guy. The table is set for him, he just has to take his seat.

  • Trac

    Not a technical piece Jeff but your optimism is contagious.

    • EnderWiggin

      Heck, not even a “Jeff piece”.

      • Trac

        Dang. I almost checked to see if he wrote that but thought it sounded like Jeff.

        • They sound somewhat alike, esp when it comes to Cutler, but Dannehy is less of a jabroni, and you figure with a name like Dannehy he would be more jaboroni than Jeff.

  • Irish Sweetness

    I couldn’t be happier with this pick. He just needs some conditioning and he’ll soak up the rest from his coaches. We have a Hilgy/Olin here by the looks of things, and it’s a new OL that’s going places once we get Mills out of there. Tayo’s desire might have him in at RG sooner than later, Long to tackle dealing with the edge rushers. We could be solid.

    With the defense seeming to be light on pass rush and suspect in the middle of the ‘backers, it might be the offense that carries the team next season. Another draft and round of FA, and she’ll be right.

  • Irish Sweetness

    When you think about it, the change this will have on the line is monumental.

    * I had never seen a Center false start before Roberto Garza. I mean it’s his own fkin snap.

    * The Where-will-it-go? Rand-o-Matic shotgun snap from the walking knee braces

    * Not being able to get one yard of push up behind our Center for years. Now we can have Tayo at guard, Terry Williams at HB, and hand it off to Robbie Gould to walk through the line untouched for a TD.

  • BillW

    Crooooowwww!!!

    • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

      Crow was stellar all night, and so was that D in front of him, swarming like crazy. Awesome game that wasn’t boring despite the 1-0 score.

      • Waffle

        The hawks have been playing such incredible defensive hockey. Toews and Hossa are like Scottie Pippen. They are a threat on offense, keep plays alive, play incredible defense and do the little things that result in victories.
        Kane is like icing on top of a moist delicious cake. You’d like the cake even if it wasn’t iced but when the icing is put on you end up eating 4 pieces and laying on the couch happy and bloated.
        Crawford put on a gut punch performance last night with at least 5 or 6 incredible saves that brought the Wild fans to their knees.
        The defense is playing well, limiting turnovers and not allowing a ton of solid chances for Minnesota.
        When the Hawks play like this is hard to think of anyone that can beat them in 7.

        • BillW

          “brought the fans to their knees”. Boy that’s for sure. There were several times I simply expected they would get the tying goal.

          I missed the power play after the too many men penalty – but that actually may have been a lucky penalty. A bad pass or clear (as I remember – I was leaving the bar to catch my train) just as a line change was happening. Had they finished the line change without penalty, the Wild may have had a great scoring chance.

          Side note – I wonder just how delayed the TV broadcast on NBCSN really is? When I got on the train and check the score on Yahoo sports, about 5 minutes of clock time had gone by in about 5 minutes of real time. With a penalty kill in there as well (usually there is at least one or two goalie coverups that stop the clock) that seemed pretty fast.

          • Waffle

            Kreuger’s line played great as well I wanted to give credit where it’s due.

        • Trac

          I thought only women got bloated. Hee hee

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          If they go to the Cup Final (not a jinx) I hope they play the Bolts so I can go and cheer on Da Hawks!

    • BearDown100393

      Sox were swept this weekend. Hawks returning the favor to MN.

  • Trac
    • Bears-4-Ever

      One thing I’ll say about Allen, he’s positive. I think he’ll do rather well at OLB since he still has speed. I’m actually excited about watching him in the new spot.

  • Aaron T. Starks

    I fully expect White, Goldman, Grasu to start Day 1 and for Langford to basically be co-starter with Forte. The only reason Langford won’t be allowed to outright take the starting job from Forte is Forte’s experience and management not wanting him to pout. He’ll be gone after this season and Langford/Carey will play for us in ’16.

    • NewBearInTown

      Forte is a really good running back. If Langford has a 1000 yard rookie season in him, he still might not be as productive as Forte.

      • BerwynBomber

        Langford is probably the heir apparent (unless he washes out in camp or PS), but the only way Forte is not the starter this year is via injury or contract holdout/trade.

    • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

      don’t forget Jizz as the change of pace.

      • DaCoaches Mustache

        Excellent nickname.

    • GPLDAN

      Grasu will not start this year. He may play, but he’s not ready to start.

      • Big Mike

        I don’t agree. Why do you think he won’t be ready?

        • GPLDAN

          His scouting report and Tom Thayer’s report on him.

          • Big Mike

            Bah, Thayer what does he know… 🙂

        • willbest

          Montgomery is familiar with Gase/Fox offense and has plenty of NFL center experience. Grasu isn’t likely to beat him in camp.

    • SC Dave

      And the fact that it is highly likely that Forte is just better. People on this blog have inexplicably been trying to bury Forte for the last three years. Fortunately, the Bears are smarter than that, and Matt is having no part of it.

  • Doc Hamstring

    After rookie signings, how will the Bears be on cap space? I’m sure some decent vets will be available this summer–either guys disgruntled with their current teams (e.g., Kendricks) or guys let go for cap reasons. Bears might be able to pick up an upgrade at ILB, DE, or CB.

    • they have a little over $5M to work with. Expecting them to be done with major moves though.

      • NewBearInTown

        Don’t forget that a couple of guys have adjustable contracts (Cutler in particular). The team has a ton of cap space next year – if they see someone they want, they can make the move.
        But I agree, big moves are likely done. I think Pace wants to avoid carrying dead money over as he purges the Emery roster and hits the reset button.

      • Doc Hamstring

        So trading Marshall was actually a good financial move. Without it, they’d have less than $2 million to work with.

        • Waffle

          haha, but the tradeoff is that we’d have the best WR in Bears history on the field….

        • without it, they wouldn’t have signed Royal for $5M, which was pretty much the amount they saved by trading him.

  • I saw an interview with an Oregon blogger where he quoted Oregon’s media guy (basically their Larry Mayer) saying he was the 2nd best leader he’s seen in his 15 or so years at Oregon. http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2015/5/5/8548537/five-questions-with-addicted-to-quack-about-hroniss-grasu

    I think that is the biggest reason this pick was made. Pace has put as much thought into the locker room as the on-the-field product this offseason, trying to get things in order after the chaos of 2014.

    • NewBearInTown

      I was also a big proponent of getting leadership into the locker room with this draft. That was one reason I liked Henderson so much – a true captain for the D.

    • Trac

      Team Chemistry is huge. Emery and Trestman didn’t do well in this dept.

      • GPLDAN

        #understatement

        • Trac

          I harped on this a lot last year but got shot down by barb and the Emery faithful on da blog.

      • Big Mike

        oh my. Didn’t do well? Holy shit. They almost sabotaged the entire history of a founding franchise of the NFL with their inept leadership and the culture they created

        • SC Dave

          Hyperbole, anyone?

          • Big Mike

            I don’t know. I just despised Trestman’s leadership style for a HC of the Chicago Bears. Or for any coaching position outside of youth sports.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i tried to give Trestman the benefit of the doubt, but i admit when it appeared that the punishment of Bennett last year came from Emery instead of Trestman i seriously started to doubt.

          • Big Mike

            Rotating captains. SMH

          • SC Dave

            “sabotaged the entire history” – seriously?!? smh

          • Big Mike

            I got worked up.

      • BearDown100393

        “Build men. Destroy team chemistry”

      • But that’s what happens when a team goes “all in” on FAs/Mercs.

        Psychologically, an athlete has more loyalty, and as such, has more emotionally invested in a team when drafted by that team (and as such, might try a little harder or give a bit of a discount when it comes to contracts).

        I think a bit of a difference is taking ship with FAs between Emery and Pace.

        Emery was trying to win a championship and often teams in that mode take on character/inj risks (just look at the Cowboys drafting Gregory, or Bills courting Collins).

        Bmarsh and Bennett perhaps the biggest risks.

        Pace seems like he’s just trying to plug holes and getting rid of such risks to win in year 2 or 3.

        He’s already dumped Bmarsh, tried to trade Cutty, and perhaps Bennett.

        If Forte doesn’t “buy in”, wouldn’t be surprised if he trades him, or simply lets him walk after this season.

        • SC Dave

          So what does “buy in” mean? Kiss ass? Do you really think Matt Forte won’t bring his best effort? Is there a single shred of evidence you can cite from his career in Chicago that makes you think he won’t?

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Grasu was a pleasant surprise when i heard the pick. We needed an anchor Center that knows how to do the job and can glue the OL together, his relationship with Long will add in this big time. Will he be another Olin? Perhaps, but I’d rather not compare him to anyone. Let’s hope this kid is as smart as he sounds.

    • GPLDAN

      Grasu is not NFL start ready. He may be by mid-season, but they went and got Will Montgomery to start. And he will unless he gets hurt in PS.

      • Big Mike

        Who knows. Trial by fire. I’d like to see him add about 10lbs of muscle.

        • Trac

          Montgomery started out in the league as a guard from 2006-2011. He’d be a great mentor to grassu if they were both on the field at the same time.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            I would imagine they would keep the middle of the line at Slauson-Grasu/Monty-Long, especially if Grasu beats out Monty would be best to have two guys who know each other well to play next to each other.

        • Doc Hamstring

          Without steroids, that would take about 40 weeks of intensive weight training. And considering the wear and tear NFL bodies take during the season, don’t count the 4 weeks of preseason, 17 weeks of the regular season, and 2-3 weeks of camp.

          In other words, he has no chance of having an extra 10 lbs of muscle until August of 2016.

          • Big Mike

            You just saying words, or do you know this to be a fact? I have no idea. I know how long it takes to convert muscle into fat (sucks to get old)

          • Doc Hamstring

            I know this to be a fact. After I did my Ph.D., I picked up a B.S. in Kinesiology and I work in a sports medicine practice as a trainer.

          • Big Mike

            Awesome. So you really are Doc Hamstring. Never knew the story behind that. Tell us some more. My experience with Trainers is they were either my worst enemy (PT) or my best friend (massage, note to skip practice, good tape job, etc)

            BTW, I wasn’t calling you out so to speak, I figured you had some basis for your comment. But it has happened where people on the blog have “just said some words” without a basis. Which is cool, because everybody gets to have an opinion. I just wanted to know if this was opinion or fact.

          • Doc Hamstring

            No worries. I actually have had issues in my practice, because I have a Ph.D. and have the “right” to be called “Doctor,” but there’s no way in hell I’d do that (nor would it fly) in a practice with a bunch of M.D.s and D.O.s. I wouldn’t want to confuse people, anyway. But we had a manager who wanted to promote the expertise of the staff, and when she heard I had a Ph.D., she was all gung-ho to market my Ph.D. I told her it was completely unrelated to my job, and… well, no.

            My opinion on trainers is probably at lot darker than yours. The ones who do PT are good for PT, and are often well-educated and knowledgeable, but they get stuck in the same mental traps everyone does, and so they end up doing one-size-fits-all stuff.

            Athletic trainers you get in team sports are often the absolute worst of the worst. If they stuck to taping your ankles and icing you down after activity, that’d be fine. But once they start giving mechanical advice, or PT exercises, or anything out of their education, it’s like asking a paramedic for advice about your cancer.

          • Big Mike

            Cool stuff. Couple related stories. My wife has a Ph.D. She works at a University, so her title of “Doctor”, fits more naturally. About 10 years ago, she had her assistant confirm an appointment she had to get lasix done. The assistant said I’m calling to confirm the appointment for Dr. Big Mike’s wife. She ended up getting a 40% professional courtesy discount.

            I’ve found a range of good and bad amongst athletic trainers. I’ve always seen a pretty clear distinction between the athletic trainers and the PTs. My experience is they stay in their lanes. The local HS solves their puzzle by having a handful of PTs on call. I think they always have at least one experienced PT on premise. I believe they contract out for a few during football two a days and other high participation practice days.

            That would be a cool study.

          • BearDown100393

            Any thoughts to physical tear down of a typical NFL player over the course of a season? IMO players lose muscle mass.

          • Doc Hamstring

            It depends.

            It isn’t easy to lose muscle mass if you’re actually using the muscles under strain and you are taking in enough calories and protein. I would argue that any NFL player is in fact using his muscles under strain, and eating properly.

            So no, they’re not losing muscle mass. Not TOTAL muscle mass. It’s certainly conceivable a guy would lose a little mass in one muscle group and gain corresponding mass in another (e.g., an OT loses a few grams off his traps and gains a few grams in his glutes). But to break down muscle requires the body go into a crisis mode–usually from caloric restriction–and creates a whole host of metobolytes that are hard on the kidneys, to boot. In other words, an NFL player would have to be in really bad shape, and would get in worse shape, if his muscle was breaking down. I don’t think that happens often.

            The weight players lose is water and fat. Stress (mental) and physical wear and tear depletes glycogen storage, which means losing water weight as part of the metabolizing of that glycogen.

            What might LOOK like losing muscle mass is a guy who’s been GAINING it in the off-season by good training, and then during the season the catabolic processes of the wear and tear of contact sports, painkillers, anti-inflammatories, etc., prevent the guy from putting on more muscle mass during the season. So during the off-season, a guy’s weight is stable because he’s gaining muscle as he’s losing fat. Then during the season he keeps losing fat (same diet, same caloric expenditure), but not gaining muscle, and thus loses weight.

          • BearDown100393

            This is good stuff. So how likely compromised (losing muscle mass) is a player during an injury such as torn rotator cuff? It is surgically repaired and requires a latent period for basic recovery. Sure rehab is initiated as quickly possible such as passive ROM based exercises but that arm is definitely going to be weakened. To restore mass (and strength) to pre-injured status, what is your time estimate with appropriate rehab/conditioning? I don’t ask for trivial purposes but rather suspect that guys trying to get on the field asap are nowhere near as strong and do require a complete off season for rehabilitation. Anyway thank you for the information.

          • Doc Hamstring

            That depends on whether he keeps doing strength training with his other muscles.

            Also, asymmetrical injuries have some weird consequences. We all know how if you have one arm in a cast, the muscles atrophy from disuse, right? Well, what you didn’t know is that if you do strength training with the un-casted arm, you will actually put on muscle in the casted arm. Your body naturally tries to keep symmetry when you apply stress like that. So you fight atrophy in an injured limb by working the other side.

            And recovery from surgery is dependent on so many different variables that I wouldn’t even hazard a guess in a hypothetical. You get freaks of nature like AP who bounce back from ACL surgery in 8 months, while Derrick Rose takes twice as long.

            It also depends on what the guy’s sport and position is. A MLB fastball pitcher who has a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder is going to take a lot longer to come back than an OG, because the OG can wear a harness and limit the movement of his shoulder with no detriment to his game.

            I know from personal experience with a shoulder repair that it took me 2 years before I was back to pre-operation strength and ROM. I played club sports in undergrad, but had I not gone to a volleyball powerhouse, I probably could’ve played intercollegiate–so I was a pretty good athlete, and it still took 2 years for me to recover fully. At age 19. Take that as one data point.

          • Ask a Kinesiologist:

            Dear, Hamstring

            Any insight into the new trainers set to replace the old ones in an attempt to prevent soft tissue injuries?
            Are there different philosophies to prevent them?

            – Butch from L.A.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Arnie put on about 25 pounds of lean muscle mass the year he spent with the tank regiment, but I think he was taking Dianobol too. Even if you don’t work out, it’s great to listen to him talk about the human body. He drops gems everywhere.

            “Blueprint to cut”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcM9CZMMDkU

          • Doc Hamstring

            Arnie was shooting steroids. End of story.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You think he doesn’t know more about how the body reacts to training than 99.9% of people who have ever lived?

          • Irish Sweetness

            40 weeks??? If he takes protein supplements and amino acids, hits the gym hard, he can have a new body in 4-6 months depending on how much he wants it. He’s not bodybuilding. Ten pounds is nothing to a guy that size. Bit of mass, better strength. He’ll be fine. Muscle is nice, but he can get up there in weight in no time, and he’ll have to in order to push out Monty.

            So that’s why it’s Doc Hamstring …. are you a Nubian queen by any chance?

          • Doc Hamstring

            You don’t quite understand the human body and metabolism. You can lose a shit-ton of fat in 4-6 months, but if you’re already in shape, the human body is limited by protein turnover to putting on 1/4 of muscle a week, supplements or amino acids be damned. Neither supplements nor amino acids can change the rate at which the body processes the proteins that make up muscle fiber.

            Now, if you’re shooting HCG, HGH, steroids, or testosterone, that’s a different story.

            If you argue that supplements/aminos boots GH or testosterone, the best supplement regime only boosts GH and testosterone incrementally–not enough to significantly improve that 1/4 a month muscle gain. Increasing strength? Sure. Decreasing fat? Sure. But not significantly increasing lean muscle mass beyond what you can do without the supplements.

            I can refer you to peer-reviewed literature, if you’d like.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No, I don’t get into ego battles. The crux of the matter is that Grasu can put on 10+lbs easily – playing weight was the point. It doesn’t need to be all lean muscle, it just needs to weigh ten pounds at least.

      • Trac

        Week 1 starter, watch. Evra one has to learn the new playbook. Advantage grassu.

  • GPLDAN

    “oh NOOOOOOOOOO… we were NEVER looking to deal Cutler or pick up a QB. That was NEVER our plan……(whistles)……”

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25175070/gm-bears-were-never-close-to-drafting-jay-cutlers-replacement

    • BearDown100393

      No different than denying wandering eyes when caught red handed by the Mrs.

    • Trac

      Any chance Cutty gets supplanted but an undrafted qb next year? Doubt it.

  • Bears mentioned in “Deflategate” report. Text exchange between ball handlers before the Bears game:

    A: Can’t wait to give you your needle this week
    B: Fuck tom… make sure the pump is attached to the needle… watermelons coming
    A: so angry
    B: the only thing deflating Sunday is his passer rating

    Unfortunately that’s not quite how things worked out

    • GPLDAN

      The Pats assistant managers had been doing it all through 2014, and were pissed they were made to do it – and moreover – they joked in email between themselves that they were going to go to ESPN and blow the lid on it:

      http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/patriots-staffers-rip-tom-brady-texts-deflategate-report-article-1.2212663

      • willbest

        Except they didn’t have the balls to be a whistleblower.

      • BerwynBomber

        Again, don’t think this does huge damage to Brady’s legacy. Let’s be honest: he wasn’t throwing deflated balls when he put on that clinic against us in the snow a few years back.

        But it does ding his character and put an asterisk next to his 2014 season, including the SB win.

        • SC Dave

          How do you know? He could have been doing this shit for 10 years.

  • AlbertInTucson

    White & Goldman have signed.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Did Brady illegally deflate footballs? Answer in report is “Yep he sure did.” Which even though is silly on face value is STILL CHEATING.”

    SEA still should have fed the Beast.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I’m SURE Barb can explain it all away.

      • BillW

        Let’s see:
        “If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying”
        “It’s not cheating unless you get caught”
        “It’s not cheating if other teams do it too”
        “It’s not cheating unless they catch and punish other teams too”
        “It’s not cheating if the rule is stupid”
        “It’s not cheating since NE would have won the game anyway”

        I think that about covers it.

        Bottom line, Barb – it’s cheating. Period.

        • Trac

          Fart knocker!

          • GPLDAN

            LOL

      • BerwynBomber

        Oh yeah. Soon we will hear the “but it had no bearing on the outcome of the game” argument.

        • Irish Sweetness

          It didn’t really. Carroll fucked up.

    • BearDown100393

      Order a dispersal draft of the NE roster. Ban Belichick for life. Excommunicate Kraft from the NFL permanently. Sell the team for a nickel on the dollar.

      • BerwynBomber

        Only Brady is implicated. By all accounts the ‘chick and Kraft were out of the loop. And given that it was occurring as early as October, Brady might sit a few games next year.

        • BearDown100393

          This is all an elaborate plan to scapegoat Brady as a patsy and usher in the Jimmy Garoppolo era….. 🙂

          • BerwynBomber

            Hey, I did see some discussion a few months back that Brady would eventually leave NE. So what do you think, Belichick? Cutty for Brady, straight up. C’mon, Bill. Get rid of that lying cheat #12. You know you’ve stayed up nights imagining turning Jay Cutler into a champion and displacing Lombardi’s name on the trophy with yours. You can now make that dream a reality.

            Give young Mr. Pace call. He will be waiting.

          • BearDown100393

            Belichick & Cutler would make great reality television.

        • SC Dave

          I call bullshit. If Belichick is so smart, how could be he so stupid not to know?

  • EnderWiggin

    Fox and Gase pick up Paul Cornick. Looking worse every minute for Mills.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Mills will make a great backup. And once he’s healthy and has some time to learn some better technique, in 2-3 years he might be a pretty decent RT.

      Of course, by then Long or Tayo will be the RT, so Mills will still be backing up. But again, for a 5th-rounder, that’s a pretty good future.

    • I always thought Mills would make a better OG, but if he’s inj, or has some degenerative health issue (which we’re not privy too), then he’ll be sub-par no matter where he’s positioned.

  • BerwynBomber

    Btw, these text messages among the Patriots’ equipment guys are quite revealing/amusing.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “I love Tom Brady. I prefer an NFL with Tom Brady playing every week. But if I were Roger Goodell I’m sitting Brady down for four weeks.”

    Given the equipment managers’ text messages, a half a year wouldn’t be shocking. Either way, Goodell is once again in the spotlight.

    • GPLDAN

      THe NY Daily News, which is kind of New York’s more slimy paper, posts lots of excerpts from the investigation emails between the Pats managers.

      WOW. Just wow. These guys hate their own QB.

      I bet the Bears equipment managers are treated better by Jay than Brady treats these guys. But he’s mister Hollywood.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/patriots-staffers-rip-tom-brady-texts-deflategate-report-article-1.2212663

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, sounded like Brady must have been a bit tyrannical. Found it funny that the one guy started referring to himself as the Deflator.

      • BearDown100393

        Cutler wipes his rear end with $100 bills and hands them over to the equipment guys as bonuses.

    • SC Dave

      I predict the golden coach and his golden boy escape with a wrist slap, just as during their other obvious cheating with the practice tapes.

      • BerwynBomber

        Different climate than then. I am with Blogfather. I predict four games for Brady.

  • Jack Lacan

    The Hardy Boys – The Case of the Flaccid Footballs

    • GPLDAN

      The level of hate towards Tom by the managers made to do this by him is incredible.

      These are guys told to cheat by Tom and HATE having to do it, but don’t have the fortitude to resign.

      • GPLDAN

        I also seriously love how Robby Kraft was going around saying Rodger and the NFL owed them an apology.

        Rodger dropped the bomb on them. Fuck your apology.

        • BillW

          Yeah – that’s where Kraft is in trouble. PFT said he stalled on making people available for interviews.

          A bit premature on the Tom Hagen routine (“This committee owes an apology!!)

          • GPLDAN

            More like the other Duvall classic

            “I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Smells like….. Foxboro….”

      • BerwynBomber

        Nah, Brady’s legacy is pretty secure. But this will always taint it just as Spygate will always taint Belichick’s. In the end most damning thing for Brady will be his obvious lying even more than the cheating.

      • willbest

        It won’t keep him out of canton. And yes the managers were spineless @#$# who deserve to be homeless living under a bridge. I weep if they are father to boys. Either stand on principle or commit to the cause. Doesn’t even have to be the Patriots cause. It could have just been you are a merc and did it for the perks. But whatever it is own it.

        • BerwynBomber

          You weep if they are fathers of boys? Hyperbole much?
          They probably got strong-armed by the league. People confess to shit all the time when authorities start breathing down their necks. Happens all the time.

          • willbest

            I am not saying they are required to take the fall, but they can confess without spewing hate at their co-conspirator. And make no mistake they are equally culpable. They are trying to spin it as if they are abused animals and had no choice. They took payment for this, any attitude by Brady is secondary to that.

          • BerwynBomber

            Huh? They “spewed the hate” well before the authorities were on to them — in October and then in early January. That is when their text messages are dated.

            What spin are you talking about?

          • willbest

            Not especially. I read a couple articles and heard about 15 minutes of talking heads today, but I have not, nor will I, read the 240 page report. The thing to keep in mind is these guys didn’t need to release the text messages. This isn’t a criminal investigation, its not even a civil one. There are no subpoena powers involved in any of this. So the spin was in providing the league the text messages in the first place.

          • BerwynBomber

            They are a couple of shlubs. I don’t understand your vitriol toward them. They “spun” because they cooperated? So cooperating with investigation by handing over evidence is now “spinning”?

            I don’t get why you think they should be homeless and living under a bridge. Your emotions seem unhinged.

          • SC Dave

            Good god, and it just gets worse.

        • SC Dave

          Fuck that horseshit. I’m stunned someone would say something like that. You must be a hopeless Brady fan-boy, because if ANYONE deserves to be homeless under a bridge from this it is Tom Brady, not some working class schmuck whose job was not doubt threatened by some punk-ass frat-boy jock.

          • BerwynBomber

            That’s what I figured too — hopeless Brady fanboy — and for the record NO ONE deserves to be homeless and living under a bridge for this.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          Barb????

      • Trac

        I wonder if that new female ref will get to check the balls before games?

        • GPLDAN

          Trac wins the Andrew Dice Clay award for the day.

          Boom! Heeeeeeyyy!!!!

    • BearDown100393

      The Case of the Flaccid Footballs is a nice follow up to the Case of the Mystery Urinal Deuce for the Hardly Boys.

  • BillW

    Also sounds like Kraft did not cooperate fully with the investigation. I think the team may be in for some trouble as well as Brady. I love how Bellichik skated by all this unharmed. Probably only because he’s smart enough not to text message.

    Seriously – people STILL think if you erase something it’s actually gone??

    • BerwynBomber

      Every NFL guy I heard on the four-letter said it would only involve the QB and the equipment manager, so yeah, seems plausible this is ONE thing that evil genius Belichick was in the dark on. Or at least willfully ignorant of.

      Don’t know if Kraft didn’t fully cooperate but he did run his mouth. Still I think the punishment will be confined to Brady. And it could be harsh given that he lied. IIRC, that is usually where Goodell comes down the hardest — where he thinks the player bullshitted him.

      • BillW

        PFT had something about how Kraft didn’t cooperate fully – not making some employees available for interviews easily.

      • Scott W.

        Kraft said the employee in question had been interviewed 4 times, so they refused a 5th request. Said the guy was only PT, had a FT job elsewhere.

        Don’t shoot the messenger.

      • Doc Hamstring

        “Plausible deniability” worked for Reagan.

        • Trac

          “I never had sex with that women” must have been implausible deniability then. Hee hee.

          • Doc Hamstring

            At the time, I was convinced that Clinton was trying to legally argle-bargle his way out of the truth by saying “that woman,” but then he used her name.

            I remember being out with some drunk friends a few years later and one guy decided to be an asshole and “hit on” some women by proposing he shove cigars up their hoo-has. When they get (rightly) offended, he said, “What? It’s not sex! The President even said so!”

    • BearDown100393

      Robert Kraft unconditionally loves his two sons: Tom Brady and Aaron Hernandez. However he keeps that crazy Uncle Bill chained in the basement.

    • willbest

      These guys need to consult Richard Daley in how its done. Every couple years one of his lieutenants went down on corruption charges and the guy knew nothin. They got Blago on tape, so I have to believe Daley’s phones were tapped with some regularity of the years.

  • GPLDAN

    Tom lied Baltimore cried. And then burned.

    #DiceClay

  • BearDown100393

    Can someone please post Giselle’s tw….. eet about all of this Bradygate business?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Deflategate: This MUST be Jay Cutler’s fault.

    • Only thing he’s guilty of deflating is hope.

    • BearDown100393

      Actually yes it is. At least 50% anyway. The other half is shared between Bush and Obama.

  • GPLDAN

    Jastremski (10:54:40am): FYI…Dave will be picking your brain later about it. He’s not accusing me, or anyone…trying to get to bottom of it. He knows it’s unrealistic you did it yourself…
    Jastremski (10:55:32am): Just a heads up
    Brady (10:59:32am): No worries bud. We are all good

    S’all Good Man.

    • This is gonna get ugly. I’m beginning to think Brady didn’t show up to the White House cuz he knew this was going down.
      I also don’t think it was a coincidence this report came out after the draft when it’s perhaps the slowest football period.

      Brady has to get suspended.

      Between this and the incinerated tapes, all their success, imo, is tainted.

      *Pats.

      • GPLDAN

        I wonder if Simon Evans feels like the dumb fuck he is for writing this:

        http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/26/in-defense-of-tom-brady-why-the-deflategate-hatchet-job-is-misguided

        Probably not. Simon Evans is like the UK version of Jay Mariotti.

        Hey Jeff, tweet Simon his stupid story and tell him to suck on it

        https://twitter.com/sgevans

      • willbest

        Brady is going to eat a 4-game suspension and drunk football fans will debate it for the next 20 years. At which point drunk fans will have a lot of other more recent stupid @#$@ to debate about, and half the drunk fans won’t have even been around to have witnessed it first hand.

        I find baseball’s holier than thou approach to the juicing era as sanctimonious BS. As if they didn’t know it was going on at the time.

        • I tell you what, that’s one of the reason I stopped watching baseball, and that used to be my #1 sport.
          I grew up playing little league, buying Tops basebeall cards with that stale bubble gum, and going through the Dodgers-V-Cubs lineups in my head while practicing my swing in the back yard. I would do a whole game in my head with Vince Skully calling the games, switch hitting.

          Now, I can’t even tell you all the teams in MLB, yet alone the lineups of two baseball teams.

          The NFL thinks it’s impervious to losing fans, but MLB once assumed that too (and probably boxing and horseracing).

          Pride cometh before the fall.

          If the NFL keeps getting rocked by scandals that attack the integrity of the game, it will suffer the same fate.

          I know I will walk away from it, as inconceivable as that may feel.

          Maybe switch to Hockey or Rugby…Curling…

        • BerwynBomber

          What bothers me most about baseball’s steroid era is that it becomes a popularity contest in terms of how damning it is to a player. Clemens? Bonds? A-Rod? Unforgiven cheaters. Big Papi? We’ll look the other way.

          The whole HoF crap about steroids always seemed like a slippery slope.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    does the Deflategate Report seriously need to be damn near 250 pages long?

    • willbest

      When you are getting paid 7/8 figures for your investigation, yes. I am regularly paid 5-figures for my opinion which boils down to a half page summary, but its always accompanied by 30-50 pages of analysis so that people know I didn’t just take their money and pound something out in an afternoon.

      • Big Mike

        Interesting. Same here. But to write the summary, you have to do the work. My process is usually research, writing the body of the report, writing the analysis/summary, going back to clean up the body of the report. Because it has notes and highlights etc.

      • GPLDAN

        What do you do? Are you a proctologist?

        • willbest

          If that is another word for attorney than sure. Though these days I spend just as much time doing profitability analysis as I do regulatory compliance.

    • BearDown100393

      It was written in binary code in order to be fed into the Goodell bot for further processing.

    • NewBearInTown

      There’s a lot of repetitive stuff. Its not meant to be read front to back. The first 20 pages summarize pretty much the entire report. The rest is just more details fleshing those 20 pages out.

  • Found this in the comment’s section, and I tend to agree:

    “The year this even became an option was 2007… Check the patriots fumbling records since then. They were in middle of the road for the 7 years prior to that, then after this rule change they shot up to the team with the leasr fumbles per play.

    It makes no sense that a bad weather team would have such a drastic improvement that “coincidentally” started in the year that they could have taken advantage of this rule.

    #Cheaters”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/06/ted-wells-more-probable-than-not-patriots-manipulated-balls/

    • SC Dave

      As I recall, this was brought up some time back here when the deflation thing surfaced. It seems pretty damn obvious that Brady has been cheating for much of his career.

      Pete Rose treatment would not be unwarranted.

      • Yeah, I forgot who submitted the stats (prolly Data), but it was pretty damning.
        Not sure if Brady will even get suspended, much less banned or bounced from the the HOF.
        The NFL would have to admit that their most “successful” team scammed everyone, and that their rings are a farce. No way the NFL tarnishes their own “shield”.

        • BerwynBomber

          I believe the NCAA has acted that way too. They could have suspended Cam Newton before the championship game. They didn’t. They could have taken away Ohio State’s national championship after all the Maurice Clarett stuff broke. They didn’t.

          There is no way either entity wants to say, hey, remember that title game you watched and loved? Didn’t count. One team should not have been playing in it.

          They might do something years down the road like that but never so close to the championship itself. As you said, would be horrible for their product.

          • SC Dave

            To me, it’s more horrible for their product to basically tell all the fans that is DOES NOT MATTER that their team has a fair chance in the league. Far more horrible, actually.

          • I’m with you on this, SC. As a schlub who played sports (organized and street) and who never cheated, they should come down hard on Brady and the Pats. It’s been shown to be a pattern, an arrogant and selfish middle finger to the game.

            This is not about being self-righteous or sanctimonious. It’s about justice and fair play, you know, the reason ppl even play sports.

            How can a coach look at their kids in the eye and tell them, “It’s ok to bend and break the rules, just look at Brady and the Pats! You want millions, adoration and a super model wife, just cheat!”

            Brady needs to be suspended for a year, at least. And his HOF status should be seriously debated.

          • BerwynBomber

            Don’t know if watched the four letter today but both Hasseback (Tim) and Bill Polian were pretty eloquent on the subject.

          • Nah, haven’t watched it. I’ll prolly check them out later. I wonder if ESPN will be more adamant about punishment than NFLnetwork (conflict of interest). ESPN did pussy out with the concussion doc.

          • NewBearInTown

            Steroids, more than anything else, destroyed baseball. MLB is just now recovering and probably 20 years of great players will never get respect because of it.
            The NFL does not want that to happen to the Patriots dynasty.

          • BerwynBomber

            I didn’t think ESPN tried to cover for Brady. At least their NFL guys. Some of their journalist talking head shows did. But mostly the NFL guys were pretty reasonable and curious as to what the punishment would be.

            Then again I only caught about thirty minutes in total. Snippets here and there.

          • Irish Sweetness

            To be honest Butch – as an outsider to America – the feeling that comes across from looking at American culture for about 40 years is that winning is all that matters. Flo-Jo. Lance Armstrong. Brady. Whoever. The culture breeds it. I don’t think anyone expects the game to be honest, just to have the appearance of honesty.

        • SC Dave

          Unfortunately, you’re right. Do you suppose it would make a difference if Brady were not white and married to a supermodel?

  • BerwynBomber

    The most damning thing for Pats supporters and Brady fanboys today? Those equipment guys’ texts date back to October, which pretty much nullifies the “it was only one game and had no bearing on the outcome” argument.

  • GPLDAN

    “I got a mean son, yeah – you know – a mean kid. I said to him, ‘hey, you know, someday you will have kids of your own.’ He said, ‘yeah, so will you.’ ”

    -Dangerfield on Carson

    And on that note… good night…

    • Viva

      Dangerfield was awesome.

      • AlbertInTucson

        So, I come home from work early today and I see my neighbor runnin’ into his house, NAKED. I ask my wife “How come’s our neighbor’s running into his house, naked?” and she says “Because YOU came home EARLY! “

        • AlbertInTucson

          I went & saw my doctor today, you know, Dr Vinnie Boom-botz. He says to me “You’re to fat” and tell him “I want a second opinion. ” He says, “OK, you’re UGLY, too.”.

          • AlbertInTucson

            NO respect I tellya, no respect at all. My wife tells me”Take out the garbage”. I told her “YOU cooked it, YOU take it out!’

          • AlbertInTucson

            I get in a cab tell the driver “Take me to someplace FUN! Someplece with LOOSE women! “…He took me to MY house!’

          • BillW

            My favorite!

      • I heard him interviewed. Was shocked to learn he was very depressed most of his life. I guess I shouldn’t have been – the crying clown is an ancient archetype.

        But I still remember what he said in that interview, “Hey, I’m depressed, not depressing.”

        Words to live by.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Practically all of the British comedy greats were manic depressives. They’re not such strange bedfellows. When you’re down you need to get up.

        • BillW

          Robin Williams as another example.

      • BillW

        I went out with a girl. At the end of dinner she said would you like to see my apartment? I said sure! She drew me a sketch!

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Try the veal, it’s the best in town and don’t forget to tip your server.”

  • NewBearInTown

    I think that Bob Kraft should come out in support of the Wells investigation. He should say the league appointed a qualified investigator who did good work and that he accepts the findings. Tom Brady should fall on his sword too as he comes out looking very bad in all of this (reminds of Lance Armstrong scaring all those whistle blowers into submission over the years).
    In terms of discipline? Goodell won’t do this, but I think he comes out and says “deflating footballs is a one game suspension and an additional fine of one game check. Not cooperating with the investigation and not being truthful with investigator is another four games suspension. In this case we’re going to round up to a six game suspension.” He should then explain, in detail, what the league plans to do to safeguard against this kind of tampering in the future.
    Goodell doesn’t have the finesse for that though. I suspect he will muck up explaining the penalty and end up making the league look bad. They should really have the independent team publish a penalty recommendation as well, the league can issue the final fine, but don’t let it start with Goodell.

    • Big Mike

      The problem with a suspension of that magnitude, hell any suspension for anything, is it calls into question the “ranking” of any other suspension. If smoking a joint is X and smacking your girlfriend is Y, how can letting the air out of balls be Z.

      If the NFL were to only need to issue punishment for “Game Related” issues, it would be fairly straight forward, but since the NFL is now seen as being responsible for criminal conduct, alleged criminal conduct and all around behavior (no charges filed), how do you have a scale of fines and punishment ranging from deflating balls, taping your opponents practice to alleged and actual criminal behavior.

      • BillW

        The arbitrary nature of NFL discipline is a hole that keeps getting bigger and bigger.

      • NewBearInTown

        Yeah, as I was writing I realized that the numbers were probably too big. Still, the key point – that lying during an investigation is the real reason for the fine – is what I wanted to get across.
        The same speech works if Goodel says “I’d have just fined Brady a game check if he had been forthcoming with investigators. But he lied, pressured others to lie and generally was uncooperative. For that, I’m suspending him two games.”

  • And the winner of the internet goes to Deuce5:

    “You know, when I go to the bathroom, I usually bring 12 footballs with me.
    Doesn’t everybody?”

    Ding Ding Ding

    • BillW

      Your new avatar looks like JC taking a selfie.

      • Sactowns#1

        That’s buddy Jesus. From a very underrated film, Dogma.

  • Doc Hamstring

    Here’s the big problem with the Patriots. It’s highly probable they cheated with the deflated balls. It’s a small cheat, compared to watching videos of your opponents’ practices. So you’ve got two different paths to weaseling out: “It’s only PROBABLE, not DEFINITE”; and “It wasn’t a BIG cheat.”

    Add to it someone will probably pile on with “EVERYBODY cheats a LITTLE!” or “EVERY team PROBABLY does it!”

    And then there’s the fact that they won the Super Bowl and their balls were properly inspected (heh) and inflated for that game, so you’ll get the “Well, they didn’t NEED to cheat, and they’re the champs!”

    So everything is set to minimize the whole thing, and sweep it under the rug. I would expect anything more than token punishment (Brady suspended for preseason games, not regular season) would be interpreted as “overly harsh,” especially considering the weak suspensions handed out for criminal offenses.

    • BillW

      To me the fumbling statistics are far more troubling. As detailed in another post a cold weather team near the best in lack of fumbles?

      Often one fumble turns a win into a loss. One loss turns home field advantage to going on the road. Or a bye into one more game where an injury can take place.

      It matters. And the punishment should be severe ESPECIALLY because of the cover up.

      How did we all know Brady was lying at his press conference? Because his lips were moving.

      Barb. The team you admire so much are simply a bunch of lying cheaters. Talented lying cheaters but lying cheaters. No respect for them or their “accomplishments” at all.

      I have far more respect for the Packers

      • Big Mike

        GAAA you had me until you said Packers.

        • BillW

          They don’t cheat. They just suck. They messed up the NFCC game honorably.

    • suspensions for preseason games… I don’t think there’s a precedent for that. I’m guessing a 1 week suspension.

      • BillW

        Since they have the opening day game, I assume it would be then. The bad publicity the Patriots would have from having their SB winning QB suspended the first game of the season – nationally televised – would in fact be additional punishment to the Patriots.

    • GPLDAN

      Everybody does do it. Rob Johnson of the Bucs Super Bowl team said he did it. And that in the realm of QBs, everybody knows it happens.

      This is John Harbaugh getting payback on Tom Brady for saying he doesn’t know the rules of football when he complained about that weird formation.

      This is the old boys club turning on each other over petty politics. Fuck, John Madden said Ken Stabler used to deflate balls. It IS not big deal, it’s being made into one as payback and house politics.

      • BerwynBomber

        Everybody does it, but as far one knows, no one has broken the rules. There is a big difference.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        no one had gotten caught up until this point. no one got i fined or suspended when Oline were using vaseline on their arms and cooking spray on the jerseys until a few were caught doing it. Everyone also probably had some sort of Bounty system but it was the Saints that were stupid enough to get caught.

    • BerwynBomber

      The problem with the SB argument is that, after yesterday’s report, it is pretty obvious that they were doing this throughout a good portion of the year; hence, the previous “it had no bearing on the outcome of the Colts game” argument no longer flies.

      We can presume they did it before the Ravens playoff game. Who is to say they play well enough to win that game (it was a nip and tuck affair) w/out the help of cheating? Who is to say it didn’t help them win one extra home game during the regular season that allowed the home field advantage throughout the playoffs? We will never know the answers to those questions but they now exist whereas the Colts blowout could rationalize the cheating as being irrelevant.

      What it does is tarnishes or even asterisks their recent title. I agree with Blogfather that Brady’s legacy is secure. The guy is one of the greatest ever at his position and even at his advanced age is arguably still the best in the game (no small thing). But his character is now called into question and so is his team’s recent title.

      Oh, and I think the suspension will be multiple games. Goodell punishes most those that lied to him or didn’t cooperate.

      • Scott W.

        Good analysis. Overall, though it doesn’t dillute from his skills, it does skew his reputation, and even “little” violations seem big when taken as a collective.

  • BillW

    “Brady broke rules & should be punished. Notion his legacy is tarnished is poppycock. Watched him play like Montana in Chicago blizzard.”

    With a deflated football that was easier for him and his rbs/WRs/TEs to grip.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      In fairness, they kicked our asses. They could’ve been tossing a medicine ball. The secondary just couldn’t cover.

  • BillW

    I love statistics:

    “There is only a .4% likelihood — a fraction of 1% — that the difference in average pressure between the teams occurred by chance.”

    • willbest

      That seem high to be honest.

  • Scott W.

    I’d start with an apology, but I’ve busted my ass on this, so I won’t.
    I will be submitting the fan project results to Jeff first before it is released into the Blog Domain/Lair/Psych Ward.
    Everything is being assembled as you read.

    • BillW

      At least it was faster than the Wells report!

      • Scott W.

        Yeah, I coulda done it in hieroglyphics, been faster.

    • NewBearInTown

      Am excited to see the results.

      • Scott W.

        Heh….me too!

  • BillW

    Waaay long time ago Alex Karas and Paul Hornung were banned for an entire year for gambling.

    Just saying.

    • NewBearInTown

      Gambling is a bit different. Gambling may result in players trying to throw the game and make their own team lose. Gambling also carries a threat of all sorts of bad folks getting improperly involved in professional sports in ways they shouldn’t. As bad as Tom Brady’s deflation issues are, they aren’t going to invite mob involvement one way or the other.

      The league expects players to bend or break rules to try to win. That’s why we have officials on the field, checking all kinds of minutia and getting things set pregame. The officials are there to push back on stuff like this. Officials are not there to stop players from sabotaging their own teams.

      In terms of scale, I look at the deflated ball thing as on par with spitballs or corked bats in baseball. I think the league should match that penalty, which appears to be about 5 to 10 games in baseball (the equivalent of 1-2 games in football).
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corked_bat
      But I do stand by my opinion that an penalty should be imposed because Brady tried to lie his way out of the investigation. Not sure how severe, but that point should be made as well.

      • BerwynBomber

        Good point. Best analogy is corked bats or the spitball. And yes the lying is as damning as the actual cheating. Brady’s father didn’t do him any favors yesterday either.

      • BillW

        Right. My point only is that integrity of the game is important.

        Brady’s agent is complaining about the report. One of his complaints is that the league should have told the Patriots to stop doing it rather than catch them doing it.

        “Your honor – it’s not my fault. The police showed have warned me that I shouldn’t break the law.”

        The whole thing insults our intelligence. I hope Brady is suspended for 2 games at least. Which would include their first game – nationally televised – which requires the whole issue to be discussed again by the commentators.

  • Irish Sweetness
    • GP Mexican UFO Specialist

      And according to Maussan, a widely recognized Mexican UFO specialist, the images provide “undeniable” evidence that aliens do in fact exist.

      Mack Maussan, Mexican UFO Specialist, at your service!

      • Irish Sweetness

        He’s a legend. In Mexico, the govt don’t put the mute button on UFO stories, so they have a hugely popular UFO show on TV. Edgar Mitchell supported the findings of a 5 year study of the slides.

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    I would bet 99 % of bloggers on here that one of their Mt. Rushmore of word is “boobs”

  • burntorangenavyblue

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