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FrontRowTickets.com Game Preview: Bears Attempt to Inch Closer to .500 in St. Louis

| November 13th, 2015

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THROUGH THE HALFWAY POINT…

…here’s some of what we might know about the Chicago Bears.

  • Jeremy Langford might be a better fit for a John Fox team than Matt Forte for one reason: short-yardage. Forte is one of the best all around backs in Bears history but his primary weakness has been the ability to get that one yard when the Bears need it, especially around the goal line. Langford runs like a taller Maurice Jones-Drew.
  • If Jay Cutler is the Bears quarterback in 2016, the Bears might have no problem being playoff contenders in 2016.
  • Eddie Goldman, Adrian Amos and Pernell McPhee are players. Jarvis Jenkins, Lamarr Houston (late development) and Tracy Porter might be capable of contribution. Every other position on the defensive side of the ball is up for debate moving forward.
  • Alshon Jeffery might be capable of being a number one receiver. (Will the Bears pay him like one?)
  • Phil Emery might have stolen the Bears a left tackle at the tail end of the 2014 draft. But the next eight games will go a long way towards that determination.

THE GAME POEM

This is a poem by Jim Moore that appeared on the walls of NYC subway cars for a while. It’s brilliant. Not sure what it has to do with this game but I’m also not sure I care.

I remember my mother toward the end,
folding the tablecloth after dinner
so carefully,
as if it were the flag
of a country that no longer existed,
but once had ruled the world.

WELL THIS SEEMS A PERTINENT STAT

Yards per pass play against. The first team on this list not realistically in the middle of a playoff hunt? You guessed it, the 2015 Chicago Bears.

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Last week the stat of pertinence was opposing passer rating. Now it’s yards per attempt. What does this tell us? The trick to winning in the NFL is still quarterback play.

THREE THOUGHTS ON THE ST. LOUIS RAMS

  • Gurley is averaging 5.6 yards per rush. That’s more than a yard better than Adrian Peterson, who is leading the league in rushing. Gurley averaging 110.7 yards per game. That’s more than Peterson (94.8) and Bell (92.7) and the rest of the damn league (nobody else over 85).
  • Nick Foles averages 185 passing yards a game. That’s the lowest total of any still-starting quarterback in the league. In many ways this is the best match-up for the Bears defense all season.
  • Rams defense is top six in yards allowed, points allowed, passing yards allowed and sacks. This defense belongs in the conversations with Carolina and Denver for the best in the league.

TWEET THAT TELLS THE STORY…

The previous statement? “If the Rams had Jay Cutler they’d be a Super Bowl contender.”

IRISH VIDEOS OF THE WEEK

One of the great Irish songs.

The greatest moment of the European Championship 2012.

THREE BEARS OF INTRIGUE

  • When the opponent struggles throwing the ball it is incumbent upon the safeties to limit the damage in run support. Adrian Amos has emerged as the Bears first legitimate thumper since Tony Parrish. He’ll need to keep Todd Gurley in front of him.
  • Where the hell did that Lamarr Houston fourth quarter come from in San Diego? Houston, many believed, was a perfect fit for this Fangio defense and if he can produce at near the level he concluded the Monday Nighter the Bears might finally have their complement for Pernell McPhee.
  • Kyle Long has had periods of dominance in recent weeks as he learns a new positions but he’s also made mental mistakes, including a few penalties at costly moments. With Charles Leno facing an onslaught on the other side, Long needs to be sturdy Sunday. Bears can’t afford to help both tackles.

WATCH OUT FOR TAVON AUSTIN

The Bears are going to punt against this Rams defense. They are more than likely going to punt half a dozen times. And when they punt, the world’s worst punt coverage unit will be tasked with keeping Tavon Austin’s explosiveness out of the end zone. He is right up there among the best in the business at it already.

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Sunday is the type of game where neither offense is going to light up the scoreboard. So the Bears can’t allow special teams to be the deciding factor. Pat O’Donnell needs to land his punts in the third row.

GAME PREDICTION

3-3 becomes 6-3. 6-3 to 9-6. 13-9. And then 16-13. And we wrap up somewhere like…

Chicago Bears 23, St. Louis Rams 20

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  • Viva

    Get Some!

  • The Yes Guy

    Yes?

  • “In many ways this is the best match-up for the Bears defense all season.”

    Except they’ve been terrible at stopping the run. 27th in yards per attempt allowed.

    • DaBearsBlog

      It hasn’t killed them. They’ve managed the opposing run game.

      • there’s truth there, but Gurley is far and away the most explosive RB they’ve faced this year. The Bears have been good at preventing explosive runs (I think they’ve only given up 2 20+ yard runs this year), but that will be tested this week, and IMO will be a big key in this game.

        • DaBearsBlog

          Yep. Limit the home run. It’s been their defensive key all season and the reason for those drop back/8 guys at the goal line maneuvers. Fox and Fangio must be preaching field goals are friends.

  • Here’s my 2 keys for the game for the Bears, 1 for each side of the ball.

    1) St. Louis is better than Chicago running, defending the run, and defending the pass. The only spot where Chicago has a clear advantage is passing. So if the Bears are going to win, it’s going to be on Jay Cutler making plays (while evading a fierce St. Louis pass rush).

    2) Chicago’s run D has been bad this year, but one thing they’ve excelled at is stopping explosive runs. That needs to continue here; prevent Gurley (and Austin) from having those big runs that can be one-play scoring drives. Force St. Louis to march methodically down the field and assume Foles will make a mistake somewhere along the line that prevents it.

    • BearDown100393

      What if Alshon does not dress?

      • BillW

        Well, I hope he stays in the locker room rather than on the sideline undressed.

      • Then it becomes even harder on Cutler.

        • BearDown100393

          Ed Royal ruled out.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Then Cameron Meredith needs to go 6 recs for 110.

    • Irish Sweetness

      1) It’s on Jay every week.

      2) I’d spy Amos on Gurley the whole game. He deserves respect.

  • I’m not sure I would call Eddie Goldman a player yet. Has been the definition of “meh” to me so far this year.

    And Lamarr Houston will not be a Bear in 2016, IMO. The problem is that he’s not really a complement to McPhee. A guy who complements McPhee at OLB has to be able to drop and cover unless being called on to blitz, because the 4 guys always rushing are going to be the 3 DL and McPhee.

    I’d still like to see some of Houston on the DL in nickel looks, but at this point I think it’s pretty obvious Fangio isn’t going to try that.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Timu is coming.

  • Joecashflow

    If our O line continues to mature, if Jay continues quick releases and footwork to move around in the pocket to avoid the first pass rush, if Langford continues to show progress and we get some rushing first downs and if we have more than just Alshon making plays down field….we can win this. Foles does not deserve a win anyway.

  • The Rams are basically a carbon copy of the Vikings. So I expect this to be a toss-up game. Hopefully Chicago can finish it at the end again.

  • Scharfinator

    Looking at the stats, can we drop the is Alshon a #1 debate? He’s averaged over 100 yards a game this season. He’s putting up #1 numbers.

    Granted, #1’s stay healthy.

    • Sactowns#1

      Yeah…play a whole season and I’ll be impressed.

      • MB30SD

        how about half a fucking season at this point?!

  • Scharfinator

    http://www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/index.php/home/research/20-game-strategy/33-when-should-an-offense-begin-its-four-minute-offense

    Interesting article on, basically, why you should always stay aggressive when running out the clock.

    • BillW

      Interesting. But I’m not convinced it really answers the question. I wonder if JWood looked at this.

      I tried writing out my confusion but the whole study and my questions are way too wordy.

      Too many variables to consider. The concept though is simple – run “safe” plays that keep the clock running without too high of risk of having a fourth down. I can’t see where that is a bad strategy at the end of a game you are winning unless your defense is very bad.

      • Sactowns#1

        To state it simply, opportunity cost. You are intentionally trying to gain nothing while at the same time risking quite a bit. It makes absolutely no sense.

        • BillW

          Not sure you are trying to gain nothing. You are trying to run the clock out. But the risk is that you fail (which of course is always the risk).

          Granted, this is taken to the extreme too often. I still remember Shoop taking a knee three times and then punting!

          Most often you can’t run the clock out without a couple first downs. That’s what a four minute offense is. And most often you can’t get a couple first downs without a pass thrown in here and there. But low risk throws – not 20 yards down the field in tight coverage.

          Running a four minute offense makes sense. But calling three straight runs regardless of the outcome and then punting to me is not really a four minute offense.

  • MB30SD

    Like that poem. I miss my mommy.

    One thing I caught in the above. you guys see weems up there. Dude’s been crushing it. Funny that I haven’t hear hesters name in about a year. I know he’s hurt, but a little funny weems is actually the ex-bear blowing it all up. Karma’s a biatch sometimes I guess?

    • DaBearsBlog

      That game against Tampa last year was Devin’s swan song.

      • MB30SD

        Looks that way Jeff. Missed you in SD

        • DaBearsBlog

          Poor scheduling. Scottsdale was a weird place.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, I have a two good chick friends from there. Say it’s alien.

            Should have come to sd. We had a good DBB contingent and the game was a blast.

    • CanadaBear

      Weems is like a Wolverine. Just nasty. Leave it to PE to cut him loose so he could stock the roster with his scintillating picks. Our ST’s have never recovered from that idiot cutting all the good ST’ers. Weems isn’t going to hit any HR’s but he will hit a lot of doubles and will spike you coming into the bag. Really miss him. He brought it every time he was on the field.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I remember my mother toward the end,
    folding the tablecloth after dinner
    so carefully,
    as if it were the flag
    of a country that no longer existed,
    but once had ruled the world.

    • The GP

      Come on now.

      That’s like comparing Whitman to John Phillip Sousa.

      • BillW

        Or maybe Paul Simon to Weird Al. (Respectfully of course.)

        • The GP

          Rembrandt to Dali.

    • CanadaBear

      Gotta agree about the mother sentiments. Miss her every day. As far as poetry goes, there are many types and most of us don’t really get poetry, so Burma Shaves are right up our alley.

  • CanadaBear

    In the last thread GP talked about an article from Hub about Matty Ice. I assumed he meant the Falcons QB. My comment reflected that. Not a fan of the Falcons QB. Have to agree with Hub about Forte. I don’t think he makes the HOF unless he keeps up the same pace for another 5 years. Not likely. Still have enormous respect for Forte.

    • BillW

      I only wondered why Hub would bring up a discussion no one even seems to be having.

      Apparently he is trying to bait people into subscribing to his site so they can tell him what a jerk he is.

      I don’t know how much in debt he still is, but I’d gladly contribute if it meant he’d go away.

      • The GP

        I saw the same thing.

        Why write an article saying Matt F isn’t going to Canton? So the fuck what? Neal Anderson didn’t make it to Canton either, he’s still a great Bear.

        I saw it as Schlub trollin, hatin and rollin dirty.

  • BillW

    Next year a game like this would worry me. Only because after 8 games next year I expect we’ll be in playoff contention and this would be a swing game (tie breaker etc)

    But this year – I’m looking forward to it to see how far the team has come and what work is still needed. In that sense, with no playoff expectations – this has been a surprisingly enjoyable season.

    Side comment – can someone tell Houston to stop that sack celebration? Just a matter of time before he hurts himself again.

  • MB30SD

    Something to keep our eye on. Super interesting. What Villma said is 100% the I played, I was coached, and the way fucking football should be played. When he says he’s 15 years in the past and isn’t playing the ‘new football’. It kinda makes me sick. The game is evolving into fucking badminton.

    http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/11/11/jonathan-vilma-gregg-williams-dirty-reputation-bountygate-saints-rams

    That said, all we need is more injuries.

    • The GP

      I do think he deserves the reputation and I’m speaking objectively because I played for him for three years,” Vilma said. “And frankly, he’s been in the league for over 20 years. The things that he practices, he coaches and preaches is an old-school mentality.”

      I guess “old school” is basically a euphemism for Jo Bob Priddy going low. Conrad Dobler low.

      • MB30SD

        oh stop, way to take the most nebulously interpreted parts that the media wants everyone to read… and think Vilma just called out his old coach, which he didn’t. Retype the part that he doesn’t think it’s dirty, it’s just the way he coaches… and transcribe his description of what and how he coaches.

        That’s called, how a defense in football SHOULD play!! Not dirty, but so aggressive and attacking that it breaks down the O and wins games because the O is so beat up and tired they can’t perform to their max. That IS football and it should never go away.

        • The GP

          I’m all for that. D should crack guys goin over the middle and make them hurt, Mark Carrier style.

          But facts are, WIlliams was in that Bountygate story putting money on tables for guys who could claim it if they destroyed the ACLs of opposing QBs.

          • BillW

            The 85 Bears would never be allowed to play the way they usually did. However, I do believe they would adjust, still dominate, and still be a physical presence.

            A team can intimidate without being encouraged to cause injury. Williams has the reputation of encouraging injuries.

          • DaMurph

            Shoot , every blogger on here took pleasure when chicken dinner knocked
            Rogers out of the game on a legal hit. I want my D to hit every guy so hard he cant play any more for the day.

          • MB30SD

            I don’t know if it went that far. That’s a ridiculous level and if that was the truth, he shouldn’t ever be in the league again.

            If he was just rewarding guys for big hits and blowing guys up (NOT injuring them), then I am all for it.

            In high school we got crunch bars for every “huge” hit we made. same thing. and it worked well.

          • CanadaBear

            When all the bounty stuff was in the news Williams was encouraging players to take shots at players injuries. I know that isn’t a rare thing but it’s not much of a leap to go from there to trying to take guys out any way possible. I hate the direction the game is going but I have to admit the older I get the more empathy I have for the old broken down players. Tough call.

          • DaMurph

            Buddy Ryan and Ditka both put “bounties” on opponents. Rewarding dirty play is not good, but rewarding tough aggressive fair play that results in the opponenet not being able to continue, I see nothing wrong with that.

    • Sactowns#1
      • Sactowns#1

        BTW Teddy says he didn’t get a concussion. Guess he just needed a little nap and found a good spot on the field thanks to his friend Lamarcus. lol https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/screen-shot-2015-11-08-at-3-39-14-pm1.png?w=1000&h=600&crop=1

        • MB30SD

          Hahahaha… the dude got his with another man’s freaking elbow.

          That’s like saying o shouldn’t let my kids rough house because they could bounce their domes off the ground and get a concussion. Part of life baby

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          i heard from many players that there is extra padding in the area of his nap,so picked a great spot.

        • MB30SD

          He looks so sweet when he sleeps, doesn’t he?

          Hahahahahahaha!

  • MB30SD

    It’s boobie Friday boys!

    I aim to teach as well. You know there’s a whole catagory of boobies called “puffy” boobs?

    I personally like them. Interesting. I think they’re kinda rare based on my own cross section. I think I’ve only had one set. What do you think, you Like?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=puffy+boobs&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=685&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMI_sGapOaNyQIVRjc-Ch3ptQdr

    DEFINITELY NSFW jokey!

    • Sactowns#1

      Its because of you that we cant have nice things, like imbedded videos! lol

      • MB30SD

        You are welcome my good man. You are welcome.

        And btw, I’m chalking that response up to a “yes”

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Huge Bear’s Penis Approves of this post.

  • TJ

    Why is there a statement of “if Jay is a Bear in ’16”? Who’s better than Jay that’s available? Who’s going to be better than Jay in the draft that a GM is willing to bet his career on? You know what Jay is and that’s a top 10 QB. Always has had the top 10 talent with moments of bad decisions. His contract reflects that. He’s got five or so years left. Ride him and build around him. Get another weapon in the draft and get the D built and we are ready to take the North.

    • BillW

      You don’t have to tell Jeff that, that’s for sure.

      Actually, Jeff is good at making us all say mentally what you just said.

      “Jay is our quarterback…Jay is our quarterback… “

    • BearDown100393

      The conversation is almost always slanted if the Bears decide to keep Cutler. What if Jay himself decides he wants out? And if so, could he be blamed? Does he want to go through a rebuild?

      • Jay still has 5 years left on his contract. He really has no say in the matter.

        • BillW

          BearDown does bring up a point though. Dangerous question to ask I realize, but given two things, I wonder if perhaps Jay might be traded yet.

          First let me say it’s very unlikely. Second I’d probably be upset if they did.

          BUT…
          1. From what we’ve heard, they did try.
          2. His market value must be better now

          Well, and a third. Most people believe that neither Jay nor Fox will be on the team when they get to competing for a SB (not just playoffs, which they will likely next year.)

          And maybe a fourth – Gase may not be here next year and that’s yet another risk with Jay learning yet another offense and seeing if he responds to the next OC.

          But maybe it’s as much the QB coach as Gase?

          It’s not a dead issue.

          • It’s not a dead issue at all. I think Jay is probably here through 2016, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s traded this offseason.

            If they draft a guy who they want to be their guy in round 1, it makes more sense to trade Cutler (who will likely draw a 2nd + a conditional future mid-round pick) and sign a Hoyer/McCown veteran bridge type.

            I’m just saying Jay’s input doesn’t matter a whole ton.

          • TJ

            Not saying it’s not a possibility either. Just saying that the offense is ready to win now. Health obviously plays a factor so so add to WRs and build the D. I don’t think a deep run is out of the question. Who thought the Pack was winning it a few years ago. Or the Giants for that matter.

            That being said, why trade Cutler for draft picks? College kids are prospects and transition is not guaranteed especially quarterback. That’s why Cassell still has a job.

            I like Cutty. I guess my fandom makes trading him sound like poor decision. GB saw Rodgers work for three years before letting Farve go. I think you draft a guy and see how they develop before parting with Jay.

          • DaBearsBlog

            I wouldn’t trade him because he’s good.

          • Johnnywad

            Ditto. Jeff, please help me understand……..if Jay supposedly has five good years in him, why wouldn’t he be here when the Bears are ready to contend? No team is five years away. Most are no more than three with good management and a good quarterback. Furthermore, why can’t John Fox win a Super Bowl? That’s silliness. He’s coached in two and lost one by the slimmest of margins. This notion that John Fox’s ceiling is getting to and losing a Super Bowl, but having no chance of ever winning one, escapes me altogether. It’s one game.

          • BillW

            Well, you don’t trade him if you think you’re going to compete for a SB with him. And you definitely do not trade him unless the return is great.

            Reasonable minds will disagree on what that actually is. If “all” it is ends up being a 2 and a 4 say as JWood assesses, I’d be inclined to say no.

            If it was a John Hadl “Lawrence Welk” deal, it’s obvious. But no one is as dumb as the Packers were back then.

          • That’s the most likely outcome at this point, I think. But if they draft somebody with a high round 1 pick, they might decide they’d be better off trading Cutler while his value is high so those picks can help them get more talent around the QB.

          • BillW

            Agree

  • The GP
    • BillW

      I don’t know what is stranger in that loop – Trump or some of the people in the audience (especially the one on the far right as you look at it. She doesn’t move at all – maybe she’s dead?)

      Actually many don’t move – and many look like they couldn’t sit still if you threatened them. One guy looks to be eating popcorn?

      • The GP

        Imagine your life is such that you have time to attend political rallies in Iowa.

        • BillW

          Well, the key word there I guess is “Iowa”.

  • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

    MB,

    Reading about and receiving images about your new found sexual exploits can be difficult for a married man to hear. Don’t get me wrong, it can be exhilarating and all that, but it can be difficult.

    However, hearing you spout off yesterday about how you get to go home with no date and no kids and all you’re going to do is watch football, eat Thai, play games, etc…. well now that’s just going to far.

    Honestly, that made me way more jealous than all of the sex stuff. Bastard.

    • The GP
    • MB30SD

      Doc, as you already know. Any time you need a weekend escape from reality, mi casa su casa my brother.

  • BillW

    To Jeff’s point, and also JWood’s concern –
    Can we afford to overplay the run with Amos and not worry about getting eaten up by the pass?

    The defense has slowly improved but it’s not much more than mediocre still. The pass rush is inconsistent (which is an improvement) and coverage is still generally bad.

    I know the consensus seems to be Foles is not very good, but it may not take a good QB to move the chains passing if we play 8 men up.

    I guess that’s the key to the game?

    • Trac

      For what ever reason, the Bears D has kept them close in ball games all year. In my opinion last year’s team didn’t come close to doing that. I guess I take issue with any characterization of this team as bad, Comparitively speaking.

      • BillW

        As a team, certainly not bad. In spots like the secondary, I think they may be.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    Oh give me a fucking break with the packers making this list: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/187773/ranking-nfl-teams-most-hurt-by-injuries

    • BillW

      I guess from the headline a a quick read they are looking at the impact injuries had vs where they might be without them. So the argument could be that GB might be undefeated if Jordy hadn’t gotten hurt.

      Whereas a team like the Bears was not expected to do any better record-wise and so aren’t hurt at all since they are on pace (pun intended) to win at least 6.

      But of course we’d argue the opposite – without the injuries to the O-line and receivers we’d be in the wild card hunt at 4-4 or maybe even 5-3..

  • MB30SD
    • The GP
      • MB30SD

        so, so…. so bad.

    • Sactowns#1

      2 things. Athletes are not actors and Jimmy Fallon isn’t funny.

      • MB30SD

        He’s very talented though

  • MB30SD

    This is interesting, a little light on real, but interesting all the same.

    The future of football? http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/10/07/super-bowl-100-coverage-hub

    Ps, my prognostication involves maxi pads, bubble wrap, flags worn around your waist, and personal force fields. No touching boys!

  • MB30SD

    I’m going to try this tonight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOni6fi8GZc

  • BearDown100393

    35 dead in separate terrorist attacks in Paris France. This is ongoing right now.

    • AlbertInTucson

      NBC has the toll up to 60 and 100 hostages being held.

      • BearDown100393

        CNN also confirming those new numbers. Awful.

  • AlbertInTucson

    NOT good news coming out of Paris…

    • AlbertInTucson

      Multiple attacks, bombings, hostages.

      • AlbertInTucson

        You can bet security at NFL games will be ramped up precipitously beginning Sunday.

    • The GP

      France is a powder keg. Paris is the fuse

      • AlbertInTucson

        The frickin’ WORLD is a damn powder keg!

  • Sactowns#1

    Trac and I are both 6-3 and now we are tied at 16pts after TNF. Should be an interesting matchup this weekend!

  • AlbertInTucson

    Now there are (unconfirmed) reports that hostages are being summarily executed one at a time.

    • beninnorcal

      How could this happen? I thought guns were illegal in France?

    • MB30SD

      Fuck. No words. How can you defeat people who have no regard for life… and what’s more, are ‘rewarded’ for murdering as many innocent people as possible.

      Disgusting things.

      • Trac

        The only country, people or nation that could defeat them will have to have the constitution that will allow them to persecute a terrible war on these islam/muslim animals by using the same tactics they do. Genocide. Rehab won’t work. obama doesn’t even bargain with these people, he gives them what they demand. Read the secret iranian treaty you’re not allowed to see. hmm.

        I think it’s interesting how nobody on the blog have used the words, muslim or islam and if they have, I’ve missed it. Have we really become a nation of cowards?.

        • Scharfinator

          I think you’re right. To win against ISIS, it can’t be thought of as war. It has to be thought of as extermination.

          • Trac

            America doesn’t even enforce the Geneva conventional on the battlefield which is a huge mistake. Any enemy combatants captured not wearing a uniform identifying them as part of a military force should be lined up against the wall and shot. It worked in WW2, it will work today.

          • Scharfinator

            At least let our boys bring back flamethrowers if we’re not going to follow Geneva.

        • Fuck off Trac you bigot

          Yes, let’s exterminate all the Muslims. And since the only way to tell ISIS sympathizers from their enemies would be to talk to them to gauge their “badness,” we should just bomb them all. No use talking to them and finding out how complex loyalties are. Why differentiate? Just kill all the Muslims. It’s only a billion and a half people.

          While we’re at it, let’s make some perjorative comments about the founder of their religion. Let’s call them “facts,” as if we know everything about life 1300 years ago halfway across the world.

          Let’s just kill all the Muslims. Because Christians are good, and Jews are kinda/sorta almost Christians. So the Christians get to live. Wait, how do we tell the Christians from the Muslims when they live in the same neighborhood? Aww, hell. Fuck ’em. Kill ’em all; God will sort out the Christians.

          • DaMurph

            Well he married his wife at age 6 and consummated the marriage at age 9 and from what I gather thats a historical fact.Whether that pegs him as a pedophile is open to interpretation. I didnt take Tracs comment as kill every Muslim but rather every “animal”. Seriously if your going to attack him for his view at least have the balls to use your real handle and not make one up so you can remain in the shadows while you hammer the guy by what you perceive his post to mean. Just sayin!

          • MB30SD

            Agree murph

          • Trac

            You are a shining example of idiocy. Have a good day sir.

        • CanadaBear

          Trac you’re off base on the Obama crap. If it’s a secret treaty how did you read it? Please. In case you missed it there have been a ton of terrorist Muslims killed on his watch. Genocide? Really? You don’t think that will spark a million more of these idiots to sign up? It’s a complicated problem and the Muslim world must be part of the solution.

          • MB30SD

            agree with everything you said canada, but how? The muslim world isn’t interested and seemingly will not police their own. So what is the solution? Is there one even available?

            I don’t think you’ll ever be able to rid that people/culture/religious sect of that faction of extremists, it’s part and parcel. Has been since the beginning of time.

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta agree but I do think the Muslim world has to be involved in the solution. They have to fight these bastards every day up close and personal. At some point the vast majority of peaceful Muslims have to realize they are getting the worst of it and fight back. Like you, if all of these sick bastards could be rounded up and exterminated I wouldn’t shed any tears but I just hate to see the collateral damage from indiscriminate bombing. That’s a recipe to make more of these fuckers.

          • willbest

            Bear in mind that before the US went through and toppled all the nasty dictatorships these moderate muslim dictators spent a lot of time killing the extremist that were a threat to them. We have effectively removed such safeguards.

    • All I can think about this situation is a quote from Lord of the Rings: What can man do against such reckless hate?

      It’s just so damn hard to comprehend a mindset that could lead to actions like this. Executing hostages is the one that really got me. Hijacking a plane and crashing it into a building is fairly impersonal. Firing bullets or a bomb into a crowd is fairly impersonal. But lining 100 people up, looking them in the eyes, and then shooting them for no reason is highly personal.

      I know the intent is the same-to kill people for the crime of living and not agreeing with them-but the personal nature of that type of slaughter just hits closer to home for me.

  • BillW

    So incredibly sad. I cannot imagine the horror of being in that concert hall. Or stadium. Or anywhere nearby.

    Vacationed in Paris a couple years ago. I really had no desire to go. But something about it hooks you once you are there. Can’t explain it. It’s a mystique

    I hope this doesn’t change that, but I know it will. Jeff can speak to this but sadly I would think it’s difficult to ever think of New York without at least a fleeting sadness from 9/11

    And now add Paris and 11/13.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “Noble be man, merciful and good.”

    – Goethe

    • MB30SD

      Coulda fooled me

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

        ha

  • MB30SD

    we’re up to 127: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/france-vows-to-punish-is-for-paris-attacks-that-kill-127/ar-BBmZjjH?li=AAa0dzB

    Something has to be done. it’s enough. Not sure what you can do. I have plenty of thoughts on this, most probably not towards to pacifist side of the spectrum. These people (jihadist extremists) do not understand, respect, or respond to diplomacy of any sort. They believe they were put here to kill innocent people and it’s the only path to heaven. So what do you do with that… there is only one option. Extermination. I don’t advocate carpet bombing of every muslim state, but I do think an all out surgical strike war around the world on ALL extremist targets (I don’t care what moniker they use while they carry out their murderous hate).

    Pick a day and send every drone you have to every single confirmed target around the world and in one moment, you take out as many targets, groups, training grounds, people, leaders, recruits, (bad) madrases, and houses you possibly can… all at once, in one foul swoop. See if you can weaken them at once.

    There will always be more, they (again, the extremist factions… I’m not talking ‘every muslim’ or ‘them’ here) manufacture them in their madrases. It’s part of the culture that you can never ever eradicate. You have to do everything you can to minimize collateral damage, because most people living in and among these animals are just normal, good, simply people trying to make a life. But something must be done… it’s time.

    • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

      i keep typing multi paragraph responses and then deleting them.

      • The GP

        We actually monitor space pretty well. All LEO objects are tracked.

        I’ve been to Direct TV’s master control farm in Wyoming. It’s impressive. They are a private company and they have screens that show where every bit of space junk is, so they know who to go after in case one hits one of their birds.

        We’re now finding atmospheres on distant planets.

        So maybe a bad metaphor.

        • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

          I think it’s very telling that a private company is most likely one of the leaders in the tracking of potential threats, albeit corporate in nature. i’m talking about space space not just the visible sky and areas and targets that we specifically choose to delve deeper into. We have great tech and it will only get better but things happen all the time that we just can’t or don’t even know that we have to monitor when it comes to space.
          We don’t have the resources to monitor the simple fact that ISIS or whatever you want to call it is in pretty much all 50 states. Our domestic assets don’t have the resources or manpower to follow up on even the potential targets they already KNOW about. That is not from me, that’s from an FBI upper level guy.
          Sadly a bunch more blood will spill and sadly it will be on US soil before the obstacles to true protection are removed.

          This will be a struggle that will require constant vigilance against for our lifetimes and our kids lifetimes and their kids lifetimes. It will evolve and our tech and our priorities and our skill will evolve to defend against it to a degree but as in all progress there are going to be some hard fucking times ahead.

          Haha, but what do i know, i’m just a simple quarterback from Indiana who may be helping to bring back a version of the Plague that will end us all.

          • The GP

            I have not one, but now two nephews in the CPD. So I know all about LE manpower shortages.

            If Snowden’s reveal of Prism showed anything, it’s the tendency of the higher ups to think technology and indexing people’s email using algorithms that will pick out extremism will actually work – it won’t. Tech will not fix this.

            Take that money and hire spies. Real people with real skills. It’s messy, and sometimes they go rogue and even betray – but that’s the game. You need people working the issue, not computers.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            completely agree. I don’t want to get this guy fired but let’s just say the push to hire THOUSANDS more FBI agents to actually address this will only happen after more bad shit happens on our soil. His words not mine, he could be wrong. It’s going to take some up close and personal shit mixed with some ballsy plans and some cool as technology to defend as much as possible against a threat that will get some shit through the defenses from time to time….not to mention, a couple of events that all make us wince because it feels kind of dirty.

    • The GP

      The French are going to what they need to do.

      Which is: fund the secret police (DCRI) to make the Stasi look like elementary school hall monitors. Watch Munich. THey will fund a group of double 0.

      Open up a island off the coast where the law doesn’t apply aka Guantanamo.

      They will peel the wings of civility off on their burgeoning internal Islamic population.

      • The GP

        Here I will follow up to this, maybe somebody will post anon and call me a bigot, too. Wouldn’t that be ironic, since Sac and I hold up the left around here.

        The wash of Syrian refugees that swarmed across Europe will be surgically extracted from many of these countries. Quietly.

        As for the coward who called Trac a racist (Trac is a Christian demogogue of the garden variety, which – in the west – tend to equate whiteness with civility, but really that can’t be held against him), let me quote Hitchens:

        “I’m in favor of multiculturalism. I’m defending it against the hideous challenge from political Islam. You cannot defend multiculturalism and also have people who want to kill all the Jews and Indians in the country. I would have thought that would be axiomatic for a multiculturalist. The official multiculturalists, whose view is that you mustn’t make distinctions between cultures, would thus be uneasy making the simple point I’ve just made.”

        We miss you, Hitch.

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

        GP, in my circle we have a buddy who we all joke with because he has this insane cover for being gone for months at a time SINCE officially leaving the military. He just had to cancel a guys weekend because of a business conference that came up out of nowhere. Haha, he’ll show up in a few months with the inside of his thumb worn down to the nub, an extreme sunburn and a face that has shaving nicks all over it.

      • MB30SD

        France has been a Muslim haven in western Europe forever. Many jews boycott the country because of how France turns a blind eye towards blatant and rampant antisemitism and how it fosters and attracts more oil money and everything that comes with it.

    • “Pick a day and send every drone you have to every single confirmed target around the world and in one moment, you take out as many targets, groups, training grounds, people, leaders, recruits, (bad) madrases, and houses you possibly can… all at once, in one foul swoop. See if you can weaken them at once.”

      And what about the collateral damage from that? What about the hospitals that get destroyed, the civilians killed, the school hit and the bridges taken out? Is that all ok because it’s not a western country and its people on the receiving end?

      • MB30SD

        Of course not. What other options are there. The best possible outcome would be that Muslims police their own (instead of either turning a blind eye or helping) so we wouldn’t have to contemplate these horrific last ditch ‘solutions’.

        Your thoughts on a solution ev?

        • I don’t think there are any simple solutions. Western Civilizations must choose a strategy though, as a whole.

          On the one extreme, all out interventionist wars.
          On the other extreme, “contain” the factions with surgical strikes and diplomatic and economic pressure and hope the “moderates” in their own clan breed them out.

          Fanaticism tends to burn itself out, but in the meanwhile, stuff like 9/11 or Paris is going to happen, and if we invade, (which is what they want) we’d only be providing them with more air to burn.

          As they say, it’s complicated.

          • MB30SD

            Invasions are just a way for people to make money and perpetuate power structures.

            Surgical drone strikes.

        • I agree with your best possible outcome. Don’t know that it would happen, but countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Iran (yes, them) should be standing up and fighting this radical element.

          Drones and I don’t get along. I have no love or support for the program.

          • MB30SD

            That will never happen, it’s why it is the way it is today. Zero interest in self policing. Thus…..

            I think it definitely has it’s place… like here.

  • MB30SD

    To lighten the situation a bit, Hey GP, check this oldie but goodie out: http://uncrate.com/stuff/1972-lamborghini-miura-p400-sv/

    Give you something to do when you’re not secret santa posting. hee hee

    • The GP

      Not sure what the secret santa crack is supposed to mean, but I can tell you unequivocally I did not post the follow up to Trac.

      I do not post anonymous. In the off season I changed my avatar to some wacky characters because it was so fucking boring, but i don’t have a 2nd account and I don’t post anon. Moreover, there was nothing incorrect about Trac’s sentiment and he was cowardly called a racist by somebody wrapped in the blanket of PC-dom.

      • MB30SD

        I was mostly fucking with you solely because I know you and he have a “fun” relationship and back and forth sometimes.

  • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

    It’s also tough to see these news articles that have these poignant titles and heartbreaking photos of women crying, men in distress, etc. It’s like giving terrorists a new batch of social media marketing tools. Instead why not post a dimly lit picture of a paratrooper regiment for the French Special Forces gearing up to go put a scalpel in the heart of a terrorist training camp with the headline: “Hey ISIS, try to guess which location we’re about to head to, you’re about to discover how few virgins are coming your way”.

    Technically it would be : Hey ISIS , essayer de deviner à quel endroit nous sommes sur le point de la tête de , vous êtes sur le point de découvrir comment vierges peu sont sur ​​votre route

  • Irish Sweetness

    Corey Graham leads all free safeties in the NFL with over 70 tackles.

    Chris Conte is fourth, and has 2 FF and an INT.

    Mike Adams, SS for the Colts has 5 INTs.

    • The GP

      It was a mistake to let Graham go. I’d like to lay that on Emery but it was Glitchy on that one.

    • willbest

      Conte is a below average safety that was made to look awful by crappy line and linebacker play, and the inability to stay healthy.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He’s officially not below average now though.

        • willbest

          He wasn’t in Lovies last year either

  • CanadaBear

    Here’s a really long article about all of this crap. Very informative if you have the time.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/?utm_source=SFFB

  • Irish Sweetness

    Samurai gets A Football Life :

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/a-football-life/0ap3000000578563/A-Football-Life-The-Quarterback-on-Defense

    A clinic with Mike on coaching and life :

    • MB30SD

      Just watched the one on. Sugar ray and no mas. Super interesting

  • beninnorcal

    I was no fan of the Iraq War but we sure made things a hell of alot worse with our hasty exit. Isis, as it is now, wouldn’t have taken off like this, but also wouldn’t last too long if we still had a strong presence there.

  • beninnorcal

    That was in reference to the heavy conversation from earlier. As for an actual solution? To terrorism in general? Probably no more ‘Iraq Wars’, as a start.
    Some moderate Muslims do need to have a sit-down with their extremist counterparts.
    Everyone always brings up The Crusades when someone blames violence on Islam, Christians have killed too. But that was what, like 800 years ago? These modern religious extremists need to update some of their policies and procedures.

    • willbest

      A sit down? Iran wants a nuke as much, if not more so, to prevent the Sunnis from wiping it out as it fears the US and Israel.
      The mistake most people make is believing that peace is the normal state. A cursory stroll through history shows that is not the case.

      • beninnorcal

        Sorry, just a bit of sarcasm really. In reality, I think these people are hopeless. Like you said, this shit’s been going since the beginning of time, nothing we do will change anything.

    • DaMurph

      The crusades werent based on Christian views, but in response to the Turks threatening the byzantine empire. It was officially sanctioned by the Roman Catholic church. Ive never heard of a war waged by Christians for the sole purpose of killing non believers……men women children.

      • Trac

        The Muslims attacked Christians in the middle east for over 300 years before the first Christian response known as the crusades was ever mounted. Every crusade was an attempt to aid Christians being slaughtered in the middle east and guess what, the end result was an overwhelming muslim victory because the crusades were so costly and ill prepared when they were mounted. The first one actually started out of a need to protect Christians from being murdered on their pilgrimages to the Holy Land.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        maybe no wars were waged with the sole purpose of killing non believers but there are countless times the Church tortured/imprisoned/killed people for not converting to Christianity or not believing in what the Church wanted. Also while not sanctioned by the Catholic Church or any other Christian Church there have been a number of wars throughout history where Christianity has played a major role.

        The problem is not specific religions, because all religions, for the most part, are inherently peaceful. The problem is when groups of people contort the teachings of the various religions to extremes. And ALL religions have these extremists, including Christianity. And these groups are active today. We hear most about the Islamic groups because the US and the rest of ‘Western’ world is mainly a ‘Christian’ society. There seems to be a concerted effort not to report the actions of Christian Terrorist groups, and if they are reported the role of religion is greatly downplayed.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Clearly though, Religion is a major cause of war and murder throughout history. People can mention all the schools that are built …. but it’s hard to argue that the world is a bettee place because of religion. If there were no soldiers, religions, flags or anthems … this world would be a nice place to live in.

        • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

          You sound like 15yr old that heard “Imagine” for the first time then failed to address how the earth was populated and how nation states began and evolved to the point where you could download the song “Imagine” while drinking potable water without dying because of the common flu or due to a virus.

        • DaMurph

          No, its the different ideologies of nations that cause so many wars. Many ideologies have close ties to religious beliefs as is the case of the muslim culture and governments. Far far far more murders are committed for reasons other than religion. Not once have a read a headline that said, “I killed him because he was a Presbyterian and Im a catholic”

    • Irish Sweetness

      Everyone has blood on their hands. The “coalition of the willing” went into an ancient and proud nation, and absolutely destroyed it, for no good reason. Reprisals were to be expected, and now they’re here to stay.

  • BearDown100393

    Need the Yes Guy to bring about proper perspective.

  • Regarding the Paris attacks, I think this sums up the “war”, and in fact, maybe ALL wars, best.

    “I could enjoy their company, as a guilty intellectual exercise, up to a point. In reviewing Mein Kampf
    in March 1940, George Orwell confessed that he had “never been able to dislike Hitler”; something about the man projected an underdog quality, even when his goals were cowardly or loathsome. “If he were killing a
    mouse he would know how to make it seem like a dragon.” The Islamic State’s partisans have much the same allure. They believe that they are personally involved in struggles beyond their own lives, and that merely
    to be swept up in the drama, on the side of righteousness, is a privilege and a pleasure—especially when it is also a burden.

    Fascism, Orwell continued, is

    psychologically far sounder than any hedonistic conception of life … Whereas Socialism,
    and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people “I offer you a good time,” Hitler has said to them, “I offer you struggle, danger, and death,” and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his
    feet … We ought not to underrate its emotional appeal.”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/?utm_source=SFFB

    — See, in my estimation, some humans require PURPOSE more than security, peace or fun.

    And some even require that purpose be bloody since it only enhances the drama. That’s what fundamentalism is at its a core. It gives MEANING to existence, and often a dramatic and absolute meaning that will always seduce the disaffected, the disenfranchised, the dystopian souls who feel utter contempt for contemporary civilization in whatever its form (whether it’s the Afghans fighting the USSR or the US).

    This will always be humanity’s true eternal battle.

  • MB30SD

    Baylor’s unis are bad ass tonight. .. they’re getting their asses kicked, but still.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Anyone see Rousey v Holm ?? Just. Wow. Honda got her ass kicked. Bigtime.

    And somewhere inside a Maybach, Floyd Mayweather chuckles.

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