• Bobby Douglass

    Are the Bears playing? No? Guess I’ll go watch some HS basketball.

    • BearDown100393

      They have not really played for nearly a season and a half. Maybe next year.

      • Bobby Douglass

        True dat. But my boy won his game.

      • SC Dave

        No, more like 7/8ths of a season.

  • bloomie1937

    Bobby. Your once gal Friday, CJ McCarro, worked for me at Paragon Studios in Chicago in th 70s

  • willbest

    I want Carolina, Dallas, Denver, Baltimore. I will probably only get Denver

    • Irish Sweetness

      Went with CAR +11.5, BAL +7, IND +7. Couldn’t bring myself to back the girls +5.5 in Vadge’s back yard.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Shoulda taken them when it was +7. I almost did

        • Irish Sweetness

          I think i saw +8. Dallas will have the ball a lot. Carolina could conceivably close down Seattle’s ground game, ditto Baltimore on the Pats. And Peyton just has to shit the bed, right?

          • TheBigCheesy

            I’m also very tempted by the 11 points in Seattle. But I feel like by the end of the 1st quarter we’re all gonna feel like a bunch of idiots for ever doubting it was gonna be a rout.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Their D could make it a rout, for sure. But their O comes on the ground, and CAR look pretty good at shutting that down. The Under on 39.5 looks good for a defensive struggle.

          • BerwynBomber

            Can’t see Peyton shitting the bed against that Colts D, especially at home. In terms of SEA ground game, Wilson makes them multi-dimensional. Have a hard time envisioning CAR winning that one.

            The other two dogs — DAL and BALT — both have good chances.

      • Big Mike

        Would be surprised (happily) if it is even close in Seattle. If Carolina beats the spread, Chico’s got a nice group developing in Carolina. A bit like Seattle was the year they got into the playoffs upside down, came to Chicago and made it a much closer game than I would have thought.

        • willbest

          Did we watch the same game? it was 28-0 until there was 3 minutes left in the 3rd. Then the wonder that is prevent D ended with the game 35-24. I don’t know why people insist on prevent D. You are better off just letting them get the sidelines on the short passes.

          Or are you remembering the game mid season that was 23-20 or some such?

          • Big Mike

            Wrong year. I was comparing Carolina to Seattle a few years back when Seattle got to the playoffs with a losing or..500 record, won a wild card game I think, but more importantly came to Chicago and played the Bears closer than would have been expected.

          • willbest

            No that was 2010 when the Seahawks went 7-9 won their division, beat the Saints and then got @#$#slaped by Chicago. It was the year of good fortune for the Bears up until Cutler’s MCL injury because Rodgers missed 2 games giving the Bears the division and the #2 seed, then the Packers went and beat Atlanta giving Bears home field throughout.

            Seattle did play the Bears in a very tight game earlier in 2010 which was the 23-20, but in the playoffs the Bears stomped them.

          • Big Mike

            I had the right year, right playoff, but I forgot that the Bears smacked them around in the playoffs. Point still stands, that Carolina is going to be a team to deal with. Seattle ran away with it, but down 14-10 at half to Seattle, in Seattle is not a bad showing at all. Chico has that group going in the right direction. I don’t think anybody can win in Seattle right now. Not sure if I’d rather see Dallas beat GB today, or have Seattle spank their asses in Seattle… I take that back. I want them to lose today.

        • BerwynBomber

          Carolina has a decent front seven on the D side but that is about the closest you get to a SEA comparison. No LoB, no Wilson, no Beast, etc.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Martz O got the better of their D that day.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Ian Rapoport tweeted this:

    @RapSheet: When Rex Ryan is asked who his offensive coordinator will be as HC, 1 of his strongest pitches includes Marc Trestman. They want to pair up.

    • BearDown100393

      Pair up? Like feet?

      • Shady

        I always knew they were sole mates.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Ohhhhhh.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Maybe that’s another way of him telegraphing to the Bears that he doesn’t want the job.

      Not sure why he’d do that, especially as they haven’t said anything about calling him in for an interview, but by saying that he’s pretty much guaranteeing the Bears won’t call him.

    • Big Mike

      BTW, that would be a great sitcom. Hire new HC, he brings in the fired HC as his offensive coordinator. Think of the back stories, plot lines and all of that.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Jeff’s tweets as of late reminds me of that line from 40 Year-old Virgin, “That Fucker came out of nowhere! “

    • Irish Sweetness

      “Nigga here now!”

      • burntorangenavyblue

        I could watch that movie over and over

  • TheBigCheesy

    “Someone explain how Rex Ryan & Marc Trestman fit. Trestman’s offensive approach is literally opposite of Ryan’s desire to run, run, run.”

    -@dabearsblog

    Jeff, how many times did you call for Rex as the DC under Marc Trestman in Chicago? 45 times? 50? I understand that you’ve soured on Trestman since then, but a Rex-Trestman tandem has always sounded much better than a Trestman-Rex tandem anyways.

    Maybe it still won’t work, but I can’t really understand how you of all people would have the gall to shit on that idea so quickly.

    • BearDown100393

      T-Rex-icles

    • Big Mike

      A well run west coast offense can control the clock quite well.

      • willbest

        A poorly run west coast offense gets shut down by cover 2, and that is what we saw all year.

        • Big Mike

          Poorly run, because Cutler doesn’t fit the West Coast scheme.

    • implicit in that is that Rex DOES NOT believe in Cutler.
      If Rex is going around selling him and Tresty, then obviously he assigns the blame for the offensive dysfunction on CUTLER.
      And he would be more right than wrong.

  • BearDown100393

    # of nauseating camera pans to BJ Jones/Christie box will be ____________.

    • Doc Hamstring

      At least one for every Cowboys score.

  • Big Mike

    what is this? A discussion of teams still playing. Bah, on to the draft…

  • Viva

    I want to see Old Sauce get a ring.

  • BerwynBomber

    When did NBC start getting Divisional Weekend games? Thought they only received two WC games and then every third SB — FOX and CBS getting all Divisional and Conference Championship games.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      I was shocked to see the WC game on Espn last week

  • BerwynBomber

    That was easy.

  • Shady

    Steve Smith Sr. is what Mike Brown would be as a WR.

    • BerwynBomber

      Good comp. But I’d place Smith a little higher than MB.

    • Johnnywad

      His brain is going to be a problem for him down the road. He just has no fear and seems to have no instincts of self preservation.

  • BerwynBomber

    Flacco looks fantastic so far. Fabulous pass protection too.

  • Johnnywad

    I enjoy watching DB’s try to tackle Gronk on their own.

  • GPLDAN

    Now we got a football game.

    • Johnnywad

      Barb just came in off the ledge.

  • GPLDAN

    You know what Cris Collinsworth is really really good at? Lying through his teeth.

    • BerwynBomber

      Never questioned Goodell’s integrity? That was laughable.

    • BearDown100393

      His tendency of snickering at his own comments is mind grating.

    • Gargling Rodger nuts is also acceptable.

  • Trac

    Jeff: “Ravens are everything I hoped the bears were”. Yup, shouldda drafted Mosley!

    • Not sure about that. A lot of ppl wanted Aurthur Brown and T’eo too, doesn’t always work out with ILBs.

      Also, Fuller is no slouch either.

      I do think we need to draft a MLB though in the first two rounds next draft, and there might be some good ones like Mosley available.

      • Trac

        I hope we find some. Soon!

  • GPLDAN

    Who is NOT Flaccid? Flacco. Not flaccid.

    • Seeing REAL QBs play efficiently, making quick reads, accurate passes, correct audibles and inspiring teammates makes me sad.

  • Some guys just aren’t head coaches. Norv Turner isn’t a head coach. Wade
    Phillips isn’t a head coach. Gary Kubiak is one of those guys. – Jeff

    I totally agree. I don’t want Kubiak as HC either. Good OC, mediocre HC IMO.

    That goes for Shannahans too.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Read that Dan Quinn wanted to bring Kyle Shanahan with him wherever he ended up.

      • Dan Quinn and Kyle at OC might make a good combo. Kyle runs that bootleg stretch O he inherited from his dad, and is young enough to maybe innovate on it, though I think Shanahans are weasels by nature.
        Kyle basically quit the Browns this offseason and it didn’t exactly end well in Washington.

  • I would think Pats would run more to take the pressure off Brady.
    Is Gronk even playing?

  • Is the Pat’s Manamanu related to Martz’?

  • That was PI, but lining up CJ Mosely man on Gronk. BALLS.

    • GPLDAN

      I was just about to ask: is there a LB in the NFL who can line up with the guy? THe Ravens started by putting the SS on him, and that was just not working.

      • What SEA did to Graham was put Wagner or another big bad LB to knock the shit out of him at the line, and that totally shut him down.
        Not sure if even Suggs can do that to Gronk, but Mosley is very athletic.

        I don’t expect the Ravens to keep playing with fire like that though. You know Bill and Brady saw that match up

  • GPLDAN

    A fly route with the fullback. Awesome.

  • Flacco in the playoffs is like Cutler on his best day.

    • BearDown100393

      Tom Brady vs Ravens is like Cutler on his typical day.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, that pass looked like Cutty.

      • The INT? He was leading his receiver too much, perhaps, and probably didn’t see the double coverage.
        When Flacco hits a DT in the gut for an INT, then we’re at Cutler level.

        • BerwynBomber

          I was mostly shitting. They’re not in the same league now. Flacco’s a top 10 guy and probably in his prime. Cutty is in that 14-18 range and his arrow is pointing down.

          • Hey, I once thought that Cutler had a chance to become like Flacco. So-so regular season, turn it on in the playoffs, but I was WRONG.

            Wishful thinking fallacy bites once more.

  • And somewhere in Romania an eagle weeps.

    • BearDown100393

      Choked to death on its non-existent dick.

    • Trac

      Ravens are battle tested having to play in their division. Belicheat is not a beast today. Hee hee.

  • Brady is gun-shy. Looks like our O.

  • BearDown100393

    “There is nothing more he’d like in the world than put a ring on his finger” – Stupid and awkward.

  • You can tell the Ravens are just playing conservative zone to make Brady take time off the clock with dump offs.

  • Another unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on the Ravens?
    Wow. I guess the NFL really wants a Cowboys-Pats SB

    • BearDown100393

      The NFL just wants Baltimore to go away this season.

  • I never get that. If you call a “casino” blitz, you MUST take the inside slant away.
    Make them throw a quick fade, which is harder to pull off than a 5 yd slant.

  • BearDown100393

    Can Brandon Marshall throw a tight spiral?

  • Bender McLugh

    THAT IS WHY BELECHIK IS THE MAN.

    • BearDown100393

      Who?

      • Bender McLugh

        *hic* is it loud in here?

  • Wow. If Pats lose cuz of Revis penalties, that would be the ultimate of ironies.

  • The Pats are like the new Packers. They just keep finding no-name 350 pounders to plug that Dline.

    • Bender McLugh

      Ravens have two biguns as well

  • I really wanted that Ravens FB when he was comming out of college. I think he’s from Harvard too.

  • BerwynBomber

    Wow, that Revis penalty was fucking huge.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Is Kubiack on the table for the Bears. Love the choice of plays he is callin for this game.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Think Flacco and Cutler are very similar QBs minus the ints but both big arms with good mobility. I would like Cutler in this kind of offense.

    • Yeah, but the turnovers are HUGE. That’s like saying that a Porsche and Bug are the same, except you know, one is a VW Bug.

      Flacco threw one INT in like over 100+ attempts IN THE PLAYOFFS. I don’t think Cutler could ever do that just throwing in a back yard against kid defenders, no matter what scheme he’s in.

      That’s not even counting his penchant for fumbling, audibling incorrectly, not hitting guys in stride, or inspiring teammates.

      But other than that, they’re exactly the same.

      • Thisguy_justsaid

        Thanks for clearing that up for me

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        same guy designed both the Porsche and the Bug.Ferdinand Porsche.

  • Bender McLugh

    Kathy Bates’ Baltimore accent on American Horror Story this season is spot the fuck on

  • Bender McLugh

    Brady’s eye contusion is getting bigger

  • One of these days the Ravens are gonna defend the flats, right?

  • Bender McLugh

    just heard………. Brady is now the all time leader in post season td’s, passing Joe Montana with 46 lifetime.

  • Calling it now. Flacco is gonna drive from the 11 and win the game.

    • BearDown100393

      Hell of a throw before the 2 min warning.

    • Maybe not. Hell of a game though.
      That last INT was inexcusable though. Didn’t think that safety would go over to Smith. Wrong.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yep, he misread the safety.

  • Raven fans aren’t bitching about that Flacco contract now

  • Shady

    Now this is football.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Clutch just clutch

  • Shady

    Oh noe Flacco.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Told him and cutler were similar

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Why would you through that? Dammit Flacco

    • I was about to say that they’ll take a shot, but that was just a dumb throw by Flacco.

      Didn’t see or didn’t care about that safety.

      • Bender McLugh

        didn’t see

  • BearDown100393

    Just waiting for Revis to get another penalty.

  • Shady

    All around a great game this afternoon, hard to believe the CAR/SEA game will top it. Let’s find out whose NFC defense reins supreme.

    • Seems like it should have been reversed. This game has potential blow out.

      It’s like eating cheescake before dinner.

  • Billicheat ties all time playoff wins record, which as someone else pointed out, is like Barry Bonds passing Hank Aaron. *

    • Shady

      I think the video gate thing is a bit overblown. The combo of Brady/Belichick is one of the all time greats. I would be thrilled if the Bears offered Belichick millions to become our football czar or pigskin guru.

      • I’m sure Goodell burned the tapes for no reason.
        I also have a Bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

        • CanadaBear

          Marshall Faulk told a great story about the tapings. He said in the SB they ran a play in the red zone they had never run all year. Just in practice leading up to the SB. The Pats stoned it like they knew it was coming. That was enough for me. Ever since I heard that story I knew Belichick’s cheating had paid dividends. Great coach but I wouldn’t trust him any further than I could throw him.

    • BerwynBomber

      The ‘chick is the greatest HC I’ve ever seen (though I don’t date back quite as far as the Lombardi era). Maybe his most impressive feat was winning 11 games with Cassel, who at the time had not played since HS. That was unreal.

      • BearDown100393

        Looking forward to his HOF speech emulate a typical post game press conference.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dude. Once more. Don Shula = 33 seasons as HC, 2 losing seasons. 347 career wins. Belichick would have to average over 10 wins a season for the next TWELVE Years in order to beat him. He’s a cheat, Shula wasn’t. Can’t have them in the same convo, superbowls or no, IMHO.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    (Pace)/Bowles/Fangio/Power-O/T • 2 hours ago
    And somewhere in Romania an eagle weeps.

    Trac > (Pace)/Bowles/Fangio/Power-O/T • an hour ago
    Ravens are battle tested having to play in their division. Belicheat is not a beast today. Hee hee.

    BearDown100393 > (Pace)/Bowles/Fangio/Power-O/T • 2 hours ago
    Choked to death on its non-existent dick.

    Bitches… keep doing what you do best. Suck dicks. You can suck 3 dicks each or all 3 one dick.

    • Pats had a good game. I thought the only team that could actually beat the Pats at home were the Ravens, but Flacco shit the bed in that last drive.

      You think the Pats could beat the Hawks?

      I actually think the Colts would have a better chance of beating the Pats next week than the Broncos.

      Nice to see you talk shit AFTER the outcome lol

      • BearDown100393

        Go easy. He just finished his shift flipping burgers.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          man… you moron… at least don’t show everybody how limited you are… not everybody on the planet eats burgers.

          I know it might be a surprise for you, but minorities don’t get killed on the street everywhere. The world is big, you ignorant wanker.

          • beninnorcal

            No burgers in Romania?! Fuck!!!

          • BearDown100393

            The main diet is apparently sperm.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            he was pumping gas.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        remember to swipe the seamen off yourself before you go home.

        • I let girls do that for me, not fat romanian construction workers, like you.

          • BearDown100393

            He is the Romanian Vito Spatafore.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If anyone can beat the Hawks it’s Brady. He won’t though, the Hawks put up 31 points on a good defense.

  • Is anyone outside SEA actually going for the Hawks?

    Everyone loves an underdog, and SEA fans are annoying mostly because they’ve only been around for 3 years.

    • BerwynBomber

      I will root for them if it means denying Brady or Manning a ring. I loved last year’s SB.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Seattle Seahawks has as many SuperBowl appearances and wins as the Chicago Bears do.

      • Patriots have worst SB beat down record ever.
        See, I could do that too.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          good for them

      • Irish Sweetness

        And are about to double it ….

    • Irish Sweetness

      Nobody is close to the Hawks, they’ll destroy whoever they meet in the Superbowl.

      DEFENSE wins championships. I hope that’s sprayed on the wall of Ryan Pace’s office.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Superb game. that was incredibly intense.

    PS: That call on Revis before half time was one of the most egregious I’ve ever seen. If a CB can’t do that what a hell can he do. Getting flagged for being perfect…it’s just preposterous.

  • Shady

    Wow. Pats only ran the ball 4 times in the 2nd half? One QB sneak and 3 kneel downs? That’s a recipie for losing, unless of course you have a hall of fame QB slinging it.

    • If Flacco gets a TD in that last drive, you know the critics would have been citing the lack of run game though.

      • BerwynBomber

        A bit. But they were down 14 twice. Tough to be patient when it is loser goes home.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      They’re doing what needs to be done. And they work on it all year long.

      Did the same against the Lions and the Jets. It’s part of their ‘arsenal’.

  • Keuchly vs read-option should be epic.

  • GPLDAN

    That woulda been a helluva Super Bowl.

  • Wow. SEA sloppy.

  • Shady

    Glad we get announcers Kevin Burkhardt and John Lynch instead of the other Fox alternatives.

  • Every third play a penalty. Got it.

  • That was a bad throw by Cam. Looked frustrated.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      hell no… better than a punt.

      • It’s like a 44 yd punt, but not sure that’s what he was going for.
        If Panther’s cant set up the run, it’s over.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          yeah, but they also have to go deep…so they can run.

          I don’t understand why teams don’t do that more often… with PI bonanza that’s the NFL…

  • Shady

    That was a well timed Richard Sherman Beats commercial.

    • BearDown100393

      Sherman rocking out to AC/DC. Sure….

  • Chico’s got that D flying.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Wilson has a lot of lizard in him.

  • Panther’s got to get at least a first down or two to flip the field.
    Set up the run, then hit Benjamin over the top from time to time.

  • Tolbert, the Bowling Ball!

  • That was really horrible safety play by Panthers. Almost Conte-ish.

    • BearDown100393

      If the misplay also resulted in a game ending concussion, I agree 100%.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      rookie S.

    • “LeBeau has said he’s not retiring. It’s unclear where he’ll land next, but six teams are looking for head coaches”

      LeBeau to Bears? Plot thickens.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        what would be an interesting GM-HC combination. The youngest and the oldest.

      • Johnnywad

        Isn’t he 77 years old?

        • Yup. About the same age as Coughlin I think.
          I think he might want to be a DC elsewhere, and if he likes historic franchises, Bears might be in play.

          The Steelers let Arians “retire” too, so who knows what’s going on over there.

          • Johnnywad

            Gotta respect him for being healthy enough to coach at that level at that age, but it seems like you’d be inviting trouble to hire a dude that old.

          • LeBeau is aggressive on D though. Perhaps runs the most exotic and complicated D in the NFL, so much so that one of the knocks on him as that his Ds take a lot of experience to master, sorta like the defensive version of Martz.

            Not sure if the game has passed him by. Some fans swear by him, others believe he’s done.

          • Johnnywad

            So what do we know about the DC from Detroit the Bears are interviewing? He had a good season I suppose but I don’t know a damn thing about him.

          • Didn’t even hear about that. Which DC?
            It’s hard to imagine that DC being the main reason either way.
            Suh, Fairly, Ansah, and they had Young the previous years when they excelled under Schwartz.

          • Johnnywad
          • Hmmm. Thxs. Have to follow up on him, that D was impressive this year, and if he joins the Bears, maybe Suh follows him here.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Ron Rivera is a peach of a coach. It hurts me that he isn’t the Bears HC. Maybe in the future…I fucking hope so.

  • Newton, besides that bomb INT, has looked reasonably sharp.
    Need to watch out with his reads though. SEA jumping routes.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      He had the Cotchery wide open for a TD on the side line and blew it.

      • Reasonably sharp, not Rodger-ish.
        That Benjamin throw for a TD for example.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I agree. Much better than one would have thought. He needs to hit that big play if he wants to win…though.

  • Interesting adjustment by Chico.
    Cam is almost running exclusively out of the shotgun, and it’s been effective.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Keep giving it to Tolbert. Let him soften this D up

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I’m so happy for Brown… when he went down last week I took it at a personal level.

  • That looked like offensive push-off to me.
    But hey, home team ref advantage.

    • Shady

      It was also a bit of a hold by the DB. Perfect throw by Wilson. No call was the right call.

  • Still contend Chico looks like a Good Fella.

  • Wow. Even on 4rth and 1 the Panthers are still lining up in shotgun.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      well… you have to when you do power run, especially with the QB.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        hmmm 2 things that usually don’t go together Shotgun and power run.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          if the QB as a runner stays under center the G that pulls runs over him.

  • That’s gotta be reversed.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      if it’s not it’s a robbery.

  • Shady

    Is it just me or have there been about a dozen taunting penalties today?

    • BearDown100393

      IQ drops and emotions overrun in the playoffs. Sort of like when the UN airdrops tampons over Romanian airspace.

      • Jack Lacan

        LOL…simile or metaphor…very funny…thanks…oh, and not flaccid…

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        man… I could destroy you with my answer, but I do have limits so I’ll pass.

      • Cormonster

        During WW2 the soldiers used to save their cigarette butts and donate them to the pygmies in Africa so the women could use them as tampons. True story. My Grandpa told me so.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Used butts? Euch. They’d sure be the right size for an Asian snatch, but I thought African booty would have big old flanges ….

          Next week on Global Gash ….. South American pussy.

  • Twice! Chancellor. Thrice?

    • Shady

      Would have been nuts. Surprised he didn’t give it a try there.

      • I mean, after the first time, the SP team’s coach has to change the snap count, or tell his Oline not to dive on his side. Damn.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      what a fuck !?

  • Haha. Just saw the Jenny/Lambart commercial.
    Funny. I was at Amoeba records in Hollywood about a month ago, and was rummaging through the $1 CDs. Adam Lambert was heavily represented. Curious, I wanted to see how many albums he had.
    To my surprise, quite a few, enough even to come out with an Adam Lambert greatest hits.

    The records were exactly as you might imagine. Think, Liberace 2000.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=adam+lambert+records&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    • Irish Sweetness

      That dude can flat out SANNNNNNG! I remember watching him on Idol thinking this is one of the greatest rock singers I’ve ever heard.

  • BearDown100393

    Brandon Marshall opens a fantastic fitness center for all the under privileged children in Northbrook. He also stumps for Ditka’s return.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Panthers have stopped the run while playing nickel. That part is going to be huge in the second half.

    The Seahawks will want to rectify that. The game is all in that ‘match up’

  • Shady

    How does Wilson end up with that ball?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Barb UMihai Mar • an hour ago
      Wilson has a lot of lizard in him.

      He’s ‘different’.

      • Shady

        Whatever you’re trying to say Barb, just say it.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          He’s superhuman.

          • Shady

            Certainly fun to watch. When he, RGIII and Kapernick were drafted, I was curious to see how their read option styles would work in the NFL. I think it’s worked out well for Wilson because he’s been smart about when and how to run it while always keeping his eyes downfield.

          • To me, It was pretty apparent that Wilson was very savvy from the get-go. Some QBs just get it, have an uncanny pocket presence/decision making process, on top of the other stuff like arm/accuracy/mobility.

            RG3 right off looked like Vick to me. Just a knack for getting CRUSHED.

            Kap I was/am uncertain about. One game he looks like Steve Young, the next he looks like Vince Young.

            He’s working with Kurt Warner this off-season to try to learn what Wilson already possesses, but I doubt he can learn it.

            I think some intangibles are just innate, like pocket presence.

          • Cormonster

            Wilson had a lot of rushing yards his senior season at Wisconsin, but he almost never took a hit. The Badgers very rarely if ever ran the read option. Most of his rushing yards were designed draws or scrambling (mainly). Not sure if it still stands, but Wilson had the highest QB rating in college history his senior year. RG3 had the second highest.

          • Wilson is like a running version of Drew Brees, which is scary.

            My only question of him coming out was his size, if he can take an NFL crush, but so far he’s been too slippery for that. I don’t recall him ever taking a hard hit.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            He’s fearless and incredibly smart. Natural born leader. He’ll be great at anything he’s interested in.

  • They’re letting those DBs/WRs play, that’s for sure.
    It’s uncanny how many balls SEA recover when they fumble.

  • Pam Oliver always looks like she’s hungover.

    • Shady

      Lotta tread on those tires, a grizzled veteran sideline reporter.

      • Like Tony Seragusa.
        Even Irish would pass on Pam (maybe)

        • Irish Sweetness

          Nope. She’s my thing. I’d wear her like a surgeon’s mask.

          • CanadaBear

            Somehow I’m not surprised my Irish friend!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Grizzled or pre-grizzled, I was never a fan. Then again, I dislike the whole “reporter from the sidelines” concept anyway. A production assistant could relay the same info to the booth without the inane cutaways.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I still would.

  • Panthers need some sort of trick play ala Pats.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Not saying it WILL happen or that I necessarily even WANT it to happen but, how funny would it be for the defending champs to get knocked, at home, by an opponent that went 7-8-1?

    • Johnnywad

      Maybe it kind of balances the books after the Hawks were in the playoffs a few years back at 7-9.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Hadn’t even thought of that. Looks like a moot point now.

    • huntinbare

      It has been a strange year….

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    why not go deep on 3-20 at midfield ??? sometimes I don’t understand these OCs.

  • Big Mike

    Man is Kuechly a good LB

    • NewBearInTown

      I think pretty much the entire blog wanted him the year he was in the draft. But he went too high for us to even trade up for him.

      • SC Dave

        Um no… almost no one on this blog mentioned him at all until I started my Viva-like campaign. Maybe he’ll do better getting Toub.

        • That’s not true SC. I know for a fact that NBIT and I and a few others loved him, but knew he would be gone before our turn.
          I’m sure someone can dig through Gnome Chicago Now to verify, but I don’t care THAT much.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Both he and Davis are elite.

      • SC Dave

        Davis is Kuechly’s version of Briggs.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          on the field yes. But from a leadership stand point Davis and Kuechly are at the same level. Nobody is the side kick in that pair.

          Davis is a player that’s very underrated and little talked about, but his story is one of the best you’ll ever see.

          You have to be happy for the Panthers, also. Their loyalty with Davis has been rewarded. He could have been cut because of his cap space when he was injured with minimal chances of ever playing again. They stuck with him and paid real coin.

  • Roman Harper should spear Lynch like he speared Bennett.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Panthers D is astounding.

    • huntinbare

      6 shutout 4qtrs.
      I love good defense…

    • SC Dave

      Did not watch tonight, but Luke is a fucking monster. Best defender in the NFL not named JJ Watt.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        which is strange because they’re 2 white dudes.

        I do think it’s JJ Watt at the very top (for 3 years now) and then there are others with Kuechly part of that group. I don’t see Kuechly at a level on his own.

  • huntinbare

    Cam has got to inpire his troops…
    These 1st down penalties after a gain is our way…

  • GPLDAN

    If Stewart or Tolbert had some pass catching skills like Forte they could expand the effective plays by 40%

    • huntinbare

      Drive killers

    • Lots of drops. Still think the Panthers would be a prime candidate to trade Bmarsh.
      Bmarsh is a great blocker on top of receiver, and he can mold Benjamin.

      At this point, a 2nd would be reasonable if they think they’re ready to win now.

      • GPLDAN

        I’m watching the Chicago Fox affiliate, and they did a bit at halftime how BMarsh just spent some big coin and opened a disadvantaged kids sports facility in the city.

        Perhaps his version of a good will campaign to stay on the Bears.

        • huntinbare

          That intrigues me
          Wonder why he wants to stay?

        • Shady

          Apparently it was in Northbrook.

          • GPLDAN

            Not too many welfare kids in Northbrook.

      • SC Dave

        Benjamin does not need Marshall to mold him. In fact, he’s better off without BM

  • GPLDAN

    Jefe:

    Cam Newton strikes me as the kind of guy who burns the cookies because he forgets he’s baking.

    Did you see that Jennifer Lopez movie trailer?

  • AlbertInTucson

    She’s not singing yet, but I think “The Fat Lady” may be warming up for the closing number.

    • BerwynBomber

      She’s warbling now …

  • BerwynBomber

    Luke Wilson looks like … Luke Wilson.

  • huntinbare

    Rivera’s tackling is letting him down
    Unexpected from him

    • AlbertInTucson

      They’re too busy trying for the strip.

  • Benjamin looks like a baller.
    One of the knocks on him is that he drops too many, but one of his assets was that he comes to play on big games like in college.
    I guess that’s true.

  • huntinbare

    That feels like JC

  • GPLDAN

    I like that Chancellor guy. I think he has what it takes to be a pro.

    • BearDown100393

      LOL you think?

  • Shady

    Cam on Cam crime right there.

    • BearDown100393

      The Cutler came out of Cam.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Flacco’s last throw of the day looked very Jay-ish, too.

      • BerwynBomber

        He Cutlered.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Se Fin, amigos.

    • huntinbare

      Shoulda stayed with Olson
      He is streaky …always could string catches together to close a drive….

      • AlbertInTucson

        That WS a manly catch down the middle by Olson. He HAD to know he was going to get whacked.

        • huntinbare

          Stung him a bit…he stepped up…too many mistakes in key plays…I hope if nothing else; we learn to play “clean” football…let skill beat us; not our sloppy play.

  • It’ll look like a blow-out in the box score, but really they were one score away most of the game.
    The Panther’s didn’t embarass themselves like many thought, but they desperately need more playmakers.

    If I were them, I would seriously look into trading for Bmarsh and drafting a stud HB like Gordon or Gurley.
    Beef up that Oline too.

    • BerwynBomber

      I don’t know if Rivera would want BMarsh in his lockerroom.

      • GPLDAN

        He’d be the 2nd best wideout behind Kelvin Benjamin. Doubt he would like that.

        • SC Dave

          And also that it is Luke’s team.

      • Maybe. They let Steve Smith go, only to see him thrive on the Ravens, so maybe they’re willing to rethink their tolerance.
        They have to have a plan though.
        If next year they have Benjamin, Bmarsh, that rookie WR in the slot, plus Gordon/Gurley + Cam and a healthy D…that would be a force.

        • Johnnywad

          Not to mention Olsen

          • Yup. That read-option would be lethal with Gordon-Cam back there.
            Tuck it in, throw to Olsen, Bmarsh or Benjamin, or Cam runs it himself on naked bootleg or something.
            Gordon back there would also save Cam from so many hits.

    • Irish Sweetness

      CAR didn’t cover the damn spread though – Kam Chancellor, really? Ruined two FGs, and a pick six. Magnificent bastard.

  • GPLDAN

    I didn’t know Jack Buck called Ice Bowl 1.

    I wonder if he wore a hairpiece as nice as his son’s.

    • Jack Buck, great porno name.

    • huntinbare

      I hear they are good cold weather gear

      • GPLDAN

        Google images shows that Jack was old school.

        Combover.

  • Hey, Corm, which team would you like to see Gordon land on?
    WalterFootball mocks him going to the Chargers, while the Lions land Gurley.

    • BerwynBomber

      Kittens would be insane to take an RB that high. Joique Bell really played well for them down the stretch. And he looks like a dude who can shoulder a big load. At this point they could live w/ drafting a late round back-up for him.

      Instead, they might have their eyes on a DT if they let Suh walk.

      • Maybe they’ll want Paea. Knock-off Suh.

        I don’t think it’s a good year for DTs in the draft, esp where they’re drafting, but they might lose both Fairley and Suh, so wouldn’t surprise me if they reach for one.

        • BerwynBomber

          Hadn’t thought of Paea to the Lions.

          Suh will be a huge loss for them but my guess is they will be weather it better with Caldwell at the helm than Shorts.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    They lost, but the Panthers are the real deal.

    • Johnnywad

      They were 7-8-1 and only in the playoffs because they were in a horrible division. They damn near lost to the Bears. They’re pretty ordinary.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        they stopped Seahawks run attack while playing nickel. Their D is be elite material.

        they had 6 rookies starting tonight.

        when you lose your best LT, WR and DE and manage to win a playoff game..you’re on the money. His name is Ron Rivera.

        • Johnnywad

          They squeaked by the Bears October 5th. They then went 8 weeks without a win and were sitting at 3-8-1 but still in contention for the Division title in the worst division in football. They finished with four wins against the Bucaneers, who’ll be drafting first, the Browns, who are the Browns, the Saints and the Falcons to back into the playoffs. Then they beat the Cardinals with a street bum at quarterback for the “playoff” win you’re touting. Tonight they played a real team and lost. They fought well, and the score isn’t really reflective of what happened on the field, but that team had no chance of beating any team other than the Cardinals with their 3rd quarterback in the post season. Ron Rivera was once again on the hot seat in November and discussions of his job security were under way as they often are. 2/3 of the league is at least as good as, if not better than the Panthers.

          • SC Dave

            Playoff standings say you’re wrong.

          • Johnnywad

            Well thank god we’re all intelligent enough to consider the reality of things as they are and not just as they appear based on a short streak of good fortune.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Look… you have to watch things with big picture glasses.

            Just because you care about their record doesn’t mean they do. For them it’s a winning season. That creates swagger, confidence, experience, trust.

            Before the season they lost 3 of their best 5 players: Kalil, Smith and Hardy. Lost cap space in the process.

            With a patched up WR corp -at best- they were supposed to be a running team, but at one point in the season they were playing the 5th RB, which was a practice squad RB from another team.

            Their OL was hit hard by injuries also and they started in Seattle with 3 players that haven’t started a game in the NFL before this year (2 rookies+1 practice squad OT). In addition to the 2 rookie WRs and 2 rookie DBs.

            While they were 3-8-1 but still in contention for the Division title they made changes, cut veterans, started rookies in their place. And they started winning. Won 5 games in a row, including 2 away games in New Orleans and Atlanta.

            That shit doesn’t happen if you don’t have what it takes for sustained success.

            The name of the game is find a way, execute it. I don’t care about none of the record, opponents stuff. They won their division (first time repeaters) and a playoff game and did great in Seattle. Ron Rivera is a fantastic head coach. Period.

          • Johnnywad

            Well damn. Ron had to deal with injuries? How did he ever survive?

            He’s 32-31-1 in four seasons. In three of those seasons he was 7-8-1, 7-9, and 6-10. He’s had one good season of 12-4. Four years in, he’s a .500 coach. And what the hell are you talking about with regard to their record? They don’t care about it? Its their only ticket to the playoffs.

            He’s a pretty damn good defensive minded coach. He’d would be, and has been, a great DC. But the Panthers are not yet “the real deal”. And Rivera, as much as I like him, is not a great head coach despite your belief to the contrary. There is no evidence, anywhere to suggest he is. There is enough of a body of work to show that thus far, he’s an average coach. If he’s a great coach, what’s Belichick? God?

            What’s next year hold? I don’t know. Perhaps their offense will improve. Maybe Can Newton will turn into Aaron Rodgers. I hope he has success as long as its not at the expense of the Bears.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Since they drafted Kuechly and Davis returned after knee injuries they’re 19-12-1 with 2 division championships and 1 playoff win.

            Remember Seattle were becoming the real deal when they won the division with 7-9 record. It’s a process.

            They’re 19-6 if you subtract that 7 games ‘losing’ streak this season they eventually overcame.

            I know…you can’t just ignore such a losing streak, even if it was caused by an incredible number of injuries but the way they managed that moment shows you the leadership and mentality they have. That’s what makes them the real deal. there’s a lot of Rivera in that.

            PS: He’s the HC, not the DC with the Panthers.

          • Johnnywad

            I know. My point is he’s a better DC than HC. As he was with the Bears.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            He is great at both.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Ron Rivera was never on the hot seat. N-E-V-E-R.

          • Johnnywad

            Yes he was. Multiple times.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            This year ? That’s ludicrous.

            Who had him on the hot seat ? Some blogger ?

          • Johnnywad

            Yes. This year. In the midst of his seven game losing streak. Much like two years ago when he was busy shitting the bed. His name appeared several times in conjunction with other losing coaches on talk radio, ESPN and the like. As for the “sources”, I have no idea. But when your record is shit, and the national media is mentioning your name along with the likes of Marc Trestman and Rex Ryan in the middle of a horrible slide, as coaches on the hot seat, you’re officially on the hot seat.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            No. I call bullshit. And I can prove it.

            The GM never wanted him gone. You know why ? Because that means he’s fired too.

            The owner ? Come on man. That guy knows the sport… he knows you can’t win with 2 rookie WR, 2 rookie OL, with your LT retired, your QB at 50% following ankle surgery and with all 3 RBs injured.

            The only man that might have been on the hot seat was the GM. He was under fire big time for changing the WR corp on the fly, not planing for Kalil’s retirement and franchising Greg Hardy.

            PS: Vegas had them Tied 20th with 40-1 odds at the start of the season.

          • Johnnywad

            Well 17 teams had a better record. Three more had the same number of wins. So they finished the regular season no higher than 18th, and had the tie not happened, they would have finished somewhere between 18th and 21st with a record that gets you into the playoffs twice in the history of the NFL. Sounds like Vegas nailed it.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            exactly. the roster was poor and nobody expected anything from them.
            the hot seat discussion is insane, you see ?

            The fact that they got hot at the end is proof of how great Ron Rivera is. He ended up winning the division and a playoff game.

          • Johnnywad

            They didnt get hot. They beat the worst of the worst in football. Beating the Falcons, Saints, Buccaneers and Browns isn’t hot. Its expected of average teams. They won the division because the Falcons and Saints were abject dogshit. Not because they’re good.

          • Johnnywad

            You know who else beat the Buccaneers and Falcons? Marc Trestman. He must be great too.

      • AlbertInTucson

        … and they only advanced because the Cardinals were down to another team’s practice squad guy as their QB among other offensive spare parts.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Far from ordinary, that’s a top D, and when you have a top D you’re always in every ballgame a la 05/06 Bears.

        • Johnnywad

          http://www.panthers.com/schedule/schedule.html

          Look at it. Look at it and get back to me. They were 3-8-1 this season with two of those coming over the Bears and Buccaneers. Then look at the teams they beat to sidewind into the playoffs and the order those teams will be drafting in. “Ordinary” is being generous.

  • GPLDAN

    Who can realistically knock Seattle off?

    Cowboys can’t.

    Beating this team would be Brady’s finest hour.

    • Shady

      Cowboys already went up to Seattle this year and did it.

      • GPLDAN

        Do you think this is the same Seahawks team?

        • Shady

          No. They’re better. But the Cowboys would probably feel like could do it again. Packers lost in Seattle week 1, but you’d have to think they would have a decent shot.

          • Packers could do the SEA what MIA did to da Bears in 85. Spread them out and score.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They’ll shut down Murray. Dallas D cannot contain SEA offense. Game over.

      • They out Seattled Seattle

      • Irish Sweetness

        They weren’t in their groove. Crucial injuries on D, missing Wagner I think. They’re in top gear now.

    • huntinbare

      4 perfect qtrs.

    • Gronk vs Chancellor/Wagner would be awesome.

    • NewBearInTown

      Carolina was hanging with Seattle for 3 quarters. They’re beatable.

      • NewBearInTown

        And if Brady plays them, it won’t be in Seattle.

    • SC Dave

      Rodgers can.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I’d agree if he was 100% but hecertainly is not this time.

        That torn calf muscle is like a ticking bomb. It could give out on him virtually any time. It certainly isn’t going to heal until this off season.

        • SC Dave

          Rodgers (at least before this season) was the most sacked QB in the NFL over a five year span. The sob is tough.

          • AlbertInTucson

            No argument here about his toughness.

            But against Detroit we got a preview of what can happen.

            He tried to move and the left leg just collapsed on him. Fortunately for him, THAT time he was able to unload as he went down and got a TD. If that thing gives out a step or 2 earlier, that TD drive turns into a FG attempt. What appens if it goes ona dropback? In in his own endzone? Plus I have to assume the exptreme cold only makes the possibilty of it giving out / ightening up / cramping up even greater.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Of course, 21 degrees isn’t going to make Tony Romo’s BACK feel nice and loose, either.

        • BerwynBomber

          I agree. I think his mobility will be limited. Rodgers is still damn good in the pocket but if he loses his ability to create he becomes mortal.

          He might have just enough to get by DAL but SEA will eat him alive.

  • Forgot Lynch was a HOF candidate.
    Don’t think he gets in this year though. My list would be

    Kurt Warner, Orlando Pace, Don Coryell, Jimmy Johnson, Tim Brown.

    I hope Dungy doesn’t get in simply because he’s on TV a lot, and Seau might get some sympathy votes over Brown. Seau is borderline to me, but I wouldn’t lose any sleep if he got in. He was a force for many years.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I’ll be surprised if Seau is NOT selected.

    • BerwynBomber

      Forgot Lynch was so good as a player. Four All-Pro selections and nine Pro Bowls is pretty much HoF standards.

      Interestingly, Briggs will be a borderline case at some point. Don’t know if he will get in but he will be considered for many years if not.

      • So who would be your 5?
        It’s tough. Will Shields was a boss too, but was “only” an OG.

        • BerwynBomber

          I like your list but Terrell Davis and Shields are right there. TD’s career was short but he was absolutely dominant for a few years and has some post-season heroics on his resume.

          • Tim Brown has been getting snubbed for too long IMO. If Carter made it into the HOF, Tim Brown deserves it too, but I have a feeling Seau will get in instead of him.

            Man, so many good-to-great players. I liked Lynch too, but then the question is, who gets left out of musical chairs?

            That’s why I’m not that optimistic about Forte, Briggs or Peanut.

            Forte still has a shot, but I think he needs at least 4 more seasons of Forte-level production, and a ring wouldn’t hurt, on multiple levels.

          • BerwynBomber

            No way Peanut ever makes it. Two Pro Bowls and one All-Pro doesn’t cut it. Don’t see Forte making it either. Similar to Tillman — two Pro Bowls and zero All-Pro selections.

            Carter was better than Tim Brown. He had the best hands I’ve ever seen and that includes Jerry Rice.

          • NewBearInTown

            Peanut was on a superbowl defense, but didn’t get the credit back then like he does now. For a long time he was seen as a good “system” guy; then he shut down megatron. I think he goes down as a Chicago hero, but unless magic happens and he wins two superbowls before retirement, he’s not getting in.

          • NewBearInTown

            Forte also needs a couple of rings. He’s the best player on our offense, but we’re not winning enough games for him to get media attention right now in his prime. Philly and KC are both more high profile, so their guys get a bigger national push. Plus, he doesn’t get on TV breaking tackles the way Marshawn Lynch does, so he doesn’t get as much highlight reel attention either.
            And frankly, with all of that, I’m still not sure he’s doing enough to earn Canton. He’s got great numbers, but I rarely feel like we win games because Forte puts the offense on his back.

          • NewBearInTown

            Briggs will not get in. He’s good enough, but the era is passing him by. He’s an outside linebacker that doesn’t rush the QB. Without the sack totals, guys like Clay Matthews get all the media attention even though they play a completely different position.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Tim Brown for sure.

  • SC Dave

    Fuck… I watch one replay, and it’s Kearse pushing off to be open for a TD. Nothing more to see.

  • AlbertInTucson

    21 degrees and snow flurries predicted tomorrow at Lambeau. They had the $10/hr volunteer shovelers at work removing snow today.

    • NewBearInTown

      Surprisingly that might favor Dallas. The Cowboys have the better running game. If the weather is bad enough to disrupt the passing game, I don’t know that the Packers will have the horses to keep up.

      • SC Dave

        Lacy does not give up a lot to Murray, actually.

        • AlbertInTucson

          They have BOTH been known to lay it down. I think the big myth is that Packer Player are happy to play when conditions get like this when, In truth, the home team doesn’t enjoy playing in it any more than the visitors do.

          • CanadaBear

            Put Lacy on a team with an avg QB or worse and he’s just a guy. A big guy, but just a guy.

          • Johnnywad

            I think that goes for Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb too.

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure about that. Although Jennings and Jones aren’t exactly all world since they left. Cobb might get out of town. He’s on his last year.

          • Johnnywad

            I think Cobb, being on the small side, benefits greatly from Rodgers’ accuracy more than his own particular skill. I guess I’m not really sure about Nelson. I suppose you don’t know until they go elsewhere.

          • CanadaBear

            Nelson’s faster than people think. I can’t imagine how much better our passing game would be if Cutler just hit guys in stride. That almost never happens and the YAC is pitiful.

          • A LOT better, IMO. How many times does Bennett have to reach back, down, up for a ball when he’s wide open? and that’s not counting when Cutler just plains dumps it off, audibles to the wrong play, or when he sails it to the other team.

          • And to be fair, a lot of critics say the same about Flacco. They call him “jump ball Joe Flacco” and yesterday he sure reverted to form unlike in his previous playoff appearances.

          • BerwynBomber

            Exactly. BMarsh and Alshon are the perfect WRs for Jay. A Nelson or Cobb would largely be lost on him. To be honest, Rodgers wouldn’t mind having our tandem in the RZ. They’re gigantic targets down there and can outfight a lot of DBs.

          • BerwynBomber

            The YPA was just as bad — Cutty’s was 30th in the league, I believe.

          • Cutler apologists will blame that on Tresty play-calling and injuries to Marshall, yada yada…
            Not to Cutty’s inaccuracy or constipated dump-offs.

          • Cormonster

            I disagree on Nelson. He might be the best Packers receiver in the last 20 years, outside of maybe Donald Driver.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Lacy is good/average RB. Murray is elite when healthy.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Harbaugh calls Patriots’ four-lineman shell game unprecedented
    Posted by Mike Florio

    “[I]t’s a substitution type of a trick type of a thing,” Harbaugh told reporters after the game. “So they don’t give you the opportunity, they don’t give you the chance to make the proper substitutions and things like that. It’s not something that anybody’s ever done before. The league will look at that type of thing and I’m sure that they’ll make some adjustments and things like that.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

    Fricking Josh McDaniels, man. He’s such a good coach. He followed that drive with the TD thrown by the WR with his first career NFL pass.
    He’s an artist, but has proven a certain lack of leadership skills. If I were a GM I would bank on his potential and my skills in getting the best out of him. All you have to do is make it a team effort and not give him control over everything as he had in Denver.

    I’d want him as the Bears HC for sure. Ain’t going to happen, though.

    • NewBearInTown

      Jay Cutler does not agree with you.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        who cares ?

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Rex Ryan-Greg Roman would have been a killer combo for the Bears too.

    If Rex signs in Buffalo that leaves Vic Fangio, McDaniels and Kubiak as the remaining great coaches on the market.

    I doubt the Bears will interview either of them.

    • NewBearInTown

      Josh McDaniels was a terrible coach in Denver. He might do better at his next opportunity, but don’t assume he’s great just because he’s from New England.

      Fangio is a DC. DC’s, interestingly, have the lowest rate of success of the pre-HC jobs – OCs, College HCs, previous HCs, and STCs all do better. Bellichek, Ryan and Carroll were all DCs, so there are plenty of counter examples. But don’t assume a DC is an automatic HC. Plus, explain to me why Fangio is for sure better than Todd Bowles, Ray Horton or Dick LeBeau.

      Kubiak is a previous HC that had a lot of time in Houston and was not successful. I like him as a prospect for the Bears, particularly to run our offense, but there’s no guarantee that he’s any better here than he was down south.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        It has nothing to do with the fact he’s from New England. Did you watch the game last night ? I mean the dude called a set of plays on a TD drive that were never seen in the NFL.

        Because Fangio isn’t tied up in a scheme like Horton and LeBeau are. And I personally like Fangio more than Bowles.

        Kubiak won 2 division titles while Manning wasn’t around and in Luck’s first year.
        What a fuck could he do more with Shaub as his QB ? He also brings in DCs with personality, which is a sign of a guy that knows what it takes.

    • beninnorcal

      Great coaches?

  • Irish Sweetness
    • CanadaBear

      Good interview. I know it’s all softball questions but Pace doesn’t come off like Wilford Brimley’s illegitimate love child like that dope PE.

      • Scott W.

        LOL

    • Not the smoothest talker, but that’s ok. Almost shows that he didn’t just lawyer smooth talk his way up the ladder.
      Pace gives off an “awe schucks” persona, but it’s just a schtick. He seems pretty savvy.
      For example, when asked about Cutty, Pace says he needs to know him more “as a man” and “nuts and bolts” when by his own admission he said he reviewed the Bears’ roster already since they payed the Saints in week 14.
      I assume a lot of what he reviewed was the Cutler tape (and not just this year, but the last 9 years, including when we played them previously, esp in the playoffs), so I’m guessing Pace knows EXACTLY where he stands on Cutty, but is just being political, which is smart.

      But it’s only going to go so far. The media is going to keep harping on it all the way up to the draft, and eventually Pace is going to have to state that Cutler is a “franchise” QB, and give him the dreaded vote of confidence (whether he means it or not), unless he trades Cutler.

      • BerwynBomber

        Pace saw Cutty first-hand against the Saints this year, who had the second worst D in the league. He knows what he is getting.

        My guess is the Pace/Cutty relationship will be like the Emery/Lovie one. Cutty will have a year to either a) miraculously turn into someone he is not, or b) deliver a title. Then he will be gone. Moreover, I sense the huge rebuild will be in full downsize mode not this off-season but next off-season.

        Only wildcard could be Kubiak. If he falls in love with Cutty, maybe Pace is dissuaded from moving on from him.

        • Johnnywad

          I’m thinking similarly. The focus this year is probably just the draft. I’d be surprised to see even a moderately priced free agent join the team. Cutler shows or goes next year. The numbers will be easier to work with either way and they just don’t have the horses to win soon. Time to ride out the heavy contracts and hopefully have a great 2015 draft bringing in quality cheap talent to build upon.

          • Scott W.

            Yer likely right as rain.

        • Scott W.

          What a conundrum.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        i personally don’t see why any GM should have label anyone a”franchise” player. Pace should have a standard statement regarding all players. “Player X is under contract and is currently on the roster. Player X will remain under contract and on the roster until the time we find a player that is capable of out performing Player X. We are constantly looking at ways to improve this team, if we find someone that is performing better than Player X, then Player X will no longer be playing and will be relegated to a backup position.”

        there is absolutely no need to give a vote of confidence or call out under performing players. Let your actions make the statements on how you feel about players.
        Especially after the shit storm Kromer started a couple weeks ago.

  • BearDown100393

    Rex Ryan is signing a 5 year deal with the Bills. Greg Roman is tagged to be the OC and Jim Schwartz is likely to stay as DC.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      wawww !!! That’s a potentially great coaching staff right there.

    • Wow. Greg Roman is the 49ers OC, right?
      Definitely power O, which fits Rexy’s smash mouth philo more (as opposed to the “pansy” WCO) but didn’t the 9ers suck at it?
      Schwartz at DC solid, but once more, it’s the OC that will determine Rexy’s tenure.

  • Norv Turner one of two or three best play callers in the history of the
    NFL. Sean Payton had his play-calling duties relieved by Jim Fassel. – Jeff

    I agree with Jeff. No Kubiak as HC, and for those same reasons, no Shannys or McDaniel.

  • Everyone keeps citing Rodger’s 25-0 TD/INT ratio.
    Prediction. He throws at least ONE Int today. Lacy scores 2 TDs.
    Prediction. Murray runs for at least 100. Dez also catches for 100, but starts off slowly, like always.
    Witten makes 5 catches.
    Romo and perhaps the kicker still somehow find a way to lose.

    Go Cowboys?

  • Brandon Marshall is good to go!

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/11/broncos-brandon-marshall-good-to-go/

    Misleading headline of the day.

  • Didn’t know Quinn was a dead-ringer for Jay Glazer.
    Then again, all bald dudes with goatees look a like to me.

  • John Doe

    Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 1h1 hour ago
    Bears prepared to make a major push for Ravens OC Gary Kubiak, per source. Kubiak now free to talk with teams about HC vacancies.

    I think Kubiak will be a very good option at HC. He deserves a second chance. If they are not able to get rid of Cutler, he can get the most out of him in the next year or two.

    Kubiak will be great for defense too. Wade Phillips was his DC in Houston and he might bring him along.

    Don’t forget 2 of Wade Phillips’ long-time assistants – Reggie Herring and Paul Pasqualoni – are already on Bears. So Phillips as DC will save Bears $$ on canceled contracts but more importantly keep continuity for youngsters on DL and LB. Ferguson, Sutton, Jones, Bass, Washington etc. will benefit from continuity of position coaches.

    • Jeff is not a fan, to say the least.
      “Gary Kubiak is Norv Turner. Took several opportunities & several
      failures for league to understand his limitations as leader…Can’t imagine Ryan Pace took first GM job, received mandate for change & thought “We need that guy who lost more than he won in Houston!”

      And I might agree with him. Is Kubiak in the line of Tresty-Lovie-Wanny-Juron metronome personality?
      I know Phillips is, though Phillips at DC I like.

      • John Doe

        Kubiak was done in by Matt Schaub (and one reason he may not want Jay Cutler around..)

        But Houston looked great the year they beat crap out of Bears in that embarassing SNF loss at Soldier.

        Plus Kubiak’s offense has looked great in Baltimore this year. If they don’t want a first-time HC, then I think Kubiak is a very good option. Maybe he learned from his losses in Houston.

        Kubiak is not Tresty and did not lose the locker room in Houston like Tresty did.

        • It’s always difficult to predict with “re-treads”. Some do learn from their first failures (Billichick, Carroll, etc), but so many others don’t.
          And I know I give Cutler a lot of shit, but he’s definitely a tier over Kubiak, but who knows there?
          It could be that when interviewed, Kubiak has another QB in mind (through the draft and other wise) and Pace agrees.
          Houston did however look very out-coached in the playoffs under Kubiak, which raises a red flag.
          Do we really to recreate Texans 2010 in CHI?

          • John Doe

            First step first.. just create something better than Bears2014 in CHI?

            If Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips are the best to do it, then I am all for it.

  • BerwynBomber

    Ditka and Stafford on the Bristol set talking Lambeau. That was interesting. Have to say, Stafford will have a future in broadcasting once he retires. Came off well.

  • Hey, Interpol on Fox Football! Go figure.
    They’re one of my fav contempory bands.

    Chick out this pretty cool Interpol Vid.

  • John Doe

    I don’t want Doug Marrone at all. The only thing that worried me about Ryan Pace hiring was the possibility of Marrone as HC. He seems to be the Jay Cutler of coaches.

    • John Doe

      Chris Mortensen @mortreport · Jan 10
      If Doug Marrone does not land a head coach job, sources say he will have an offer to join close friend Bill O’Brien as a Texans consultant

  • John Doe

    Will Rex go after Jay Cutler? No Orton, only EJ Manuel and no first round pick. QB situation worse than Jets.

    • BerwynBomber

      Wouldn’t be shocked if he reunites with Sanchize if the latter is cheap enough.

      • John Doe

        Sanchize will be much cheaper than Cutty for sure..

  • AlbertInTucson

    FOX jusrt supplied further evidence on the “FROZEN TUNDRA ADVANTAGE” myth. Packer are 3-5 in their last 8 sub-freezing games.

    NOBODY wants to play in that kind of weather except Polar Bears and Penguins.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      it makes no sense…they’re finesse – timing team. That doesn’t bode well with cold temp.

    • Cormonster

      It could be revisionist history on my part, but I seem to recall that Favre had an incredible record in cold weather games at one point in his career. As he aged, late in his career that seemed to slip.

      • Pain-killers keep one warm, I guess.

        • Scott W.

          No, they don’t. It’s all metabolism based, with blood pressure driving the car.

          • I was half-kidding, but good to know. I think I’ve only taken pain killers once, unless you count mary jane lol

          • Scott W.

            Hilarious….yeah, MJ counts man.

      • AlbertInTucson

        That’s how I remember it, too. I think it’s one of the big reasons he ultimately wanted out of Green Bay and found Minnesota (Dome) so appealing.

  • Here’s what worries me about Kubiak.

    “The 2012 season saw the Texans start 5-0 for the first time in the franchise’s history.[18]
    The Texans would finish the season a franchise-best 12-4 and beat the
    Cincinnati Bengals in the AFC Wild-Card Round for the second straight
    year before falling to the New England Patriots 41-28 in the divisional round.” – Wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kubiak#NFL

    So, in arguably Kubiak’s finest year, with a MUCH MORE talented roster than what we have now, or will have in 2 years, Kubiak still got spanked by Pat-level teams.

    I don’t know about you guys, but that doesn’t inspire much excitement in me.

    If we wanted to beat the Bengals/Wild Card teams of the world, only to get spanked by SB contenders, then we should have stuck with Lovie.

    IMO, Bears need to aim higher, perhaps gamble more high risk/reward.

    That’s my 2pesos.

    • BearDown100393

      His health is a concern.

    • John Doe

      You talk of Pat-level teams as if they are CFL level.

      No shame in getting spanked by Pat-level teams.

      Dungy and Manning got spanked by Pat-level teams.

      • I beg to differ.
        It IS a shame to get spanked by the Pats, or any team for that matter.
        Like I said, I don’t want the Bears to simply be Wild Card fodder like under Lovie (why I didn’t mind Lovie getting fired after 10 win season); I want Bears to be the SPANKERS not the spankees, but others rather settle for playoff losses.

        Personally, I measure NFL success by SB rings, not play-off appearances.

        • John Doe

          Everybody want SB rings. First, you have to get in the playoffs though..

    • BerwynBomber

      Kubiak is like Shanny. They are both solid, professional hires. Whether either is more than that, who knows? But a young GM won’t embarrass himself, a’la PE with Trestman.

      • Scott W.

        I really worry about hires like this, not that there’s a real deep pool.
        I think someone like Dave Toub would bring a hungrier, smarter, less habit-heavy presence.
        I never wanted Cowher, Shanahan, etc. I want new without brand new (Trestman), experienced without tons of baggage (Ryan).
        I didn’t join the Viva campaign to be hip, I joined because I think Toub would bring a fresh skill set to the team, one that has some historically proven success, without being ensconced in the old boys club.
        That all, of course, comes from my years of experience in hiring NFL coaches…so take that with a box car load of salt.

        • John Doe

          Ballard blew it for Toub. No other team is even giving an interview to Toub.

          If Gary Kubiak has Ernie Accorsi in his corner, then he has a good chance of being the new Bears HC.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah, I know. I was just giving my dream its eulogy.

  • One advantage Boys have is Old Sauce’s familiarity with Rodgers.

  • BerwynBomber

    Rodgers playing on one leg. Had him in the shotgun the entire drive and is already limping.

    • Rope-a-dope?

      • BerwynBomber

        Nah, can’t go the faking route. You don’t go to the sidelines and into the tunnel and give your division rival a chance to score 14 unanswered points while Matt Flynn mans the helm with the division title on the line. Dude’s hurt and will be hurt all post-season.

        Might get away with it against DAL but SEA will kill him. Sucks for the Cheese but those are the breaks. He won’t heal until the off-season.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    I think the Bears should call Dennis Green in for an interview, and only ask him 1 question. “Who were the Bears?”

  • So Jim Rome gets royalties from those commercials for being an instigating annoying prick?
    Got it.

    • BearDown100393

      I like how he was lampooned as Jack Rose in Any Given Sunday.

  • Cluuuuutts!!!

    • Scott W.

      I miss him too.

  • Scott W.

    Where. Did. NBIT. Go?

  • willbest

    Maybe the Lions fans were right and the zebras are on Jerry’s payroll

  • How is that not a late hit on Matthews!? and a low cheap hit at that.

    • willbest

      Different rules apply to playmakers, you know this. Whatever poor schlub gets home and ends Rodger’s season by hitting him with his left leg planted is going to get flagged for a personal foul regardless of the circumstances.

      • I’m a Boy’s defender, and I see that, I’m DEFINITELY going after Vadger’s calf, 15 yds be damned. It’s the hockey rule.

  • Scott W.

    NBIT has all the neurons I lost. Sure hope he comes wandering in from his sabbatical soon.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Clay Matthews should get suspended for that late, low hit, right ?

    I mean what’s the difference with what Suh did ?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Did Clay Matthews just declare Open Season hisQB’s left calf with that obvious cheapie?

    • willbest

      One can hope.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Shame on Steratore. That was late AND low.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          it’s cold…he didn’t feel his body.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      dirty football…just like Suh… arguably much more dangerous. Still…nobody will call for a 5 games suspension and eventual ban.

      • Scott W.

        If it will make you feel better, I will call for it.

      • Matthews doesn’t have a body of work as “dirty” like Suh though.
        Though no denying that if you come out in Fat Head commercials and are on the Pack, you get free passes.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          that’s 2 years ago… plus, dirty is dirty.

          • Yes, but you’re asking why no one is calling for Matthews ban, and that is why, whether you agree with it or not.
            Ppl have long memories, and there’s been plenty of other “questionable” plays by Suh that couldn’t be proven.

            I really don’t care. I like my dlinemen mean and borderline dirty, but that’s not the modern NFL anymore, sadly.

  • Does anyone remember the last time Cutler got someone offsides from a hard-count?
    I seriously can’t remember.

    • madscout12

      I’ve not seen anybody but Brady and Rogers do it…to be fair.

      • BearDown100393

        Manning. Rivers also.

        • Luck, Rothelisburg.

          • madscout12

            I’ve not seen them do it…except on those 4th and inches obligatory “try to get you jump so we don’t have to punt” plays

          • I remember all those QBs doing it, esp Luck, and I don’t even watch every game of theirs.
            Wilson too.
            I can’t recall Cutler doing it, and I’ve watched all his games.
            I’m guessing some time in the 2013 season, unless I’m missing a play I can’t recall.

          • madscout12

            If you’re talking 2014, those guys have O-Lines that you know, execute…so, can’t do it with all our presnaps

          • I’m talking about EVER. I can’t remember Cutler drawing someone offsides with a hard count EVER.
            And Rodgers arguably had a worse Oline than the Bears for a while too. Though his has been discussed ad naueseaum already.

            I’m just trying to remember a specific play where he has drawn a player offsides. But I get it. It’s everyone else’s fault except for Cutler’s.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed about Cutty, but Rodgers and Brady have the best hard counts in the game. Both Mannings are pretty good at it too.

          • I actually think Luck might be the best at it right now, but yeah, those guys are good at it too.
            I remember Marino had a mean hard count in his days. Or was it Elway? probably both.

        • madscout12

          Right…I meant Manning, not Brady

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      i don’t know Mills jumped a lot.

      • Scott W.

        LOL

  • willbest

    Go Mincy

  • madscout12

    WooHoo! Take that, Vagers

  • AlbertInTucson

    Maybe it’s different with the Packers but when the QB claps his hands isn’t that usually the signal to the center to “Snap the damn ball!” …?

  • BearDown100393

    “He is playing with half of his arsenal behind his back” – Aikman.

    • madscout12

      Ha! Fuck you, Aikman

    • BerwynBomber

      Technically, it was Buck who said that.

      • BearDown100393

        Thought it was Aikman. If wrong, I’m wrong.

    • willbest

      Which is reason enough for the Packers to lose. They aren’t going to beat Seattle on the road with Rodgers like that.

  • BerwynBomber

    If it were not for Jerry Jones and Dez Bryant (and Chris Christie), I would be okay with the ‘girls winning the whole thing.

    • Irvin is pretty annoying too.

    • willbest

      I care more about Seattle not winning then anything else. That isn’t true. GB not winning then Seattle not winning

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    guys… any of you played american football in real teams (in the sense ‘not for fun with friends’ at the picnic) ?

    • Lots of guys on the blog.
      I only played pop warner, jr high, and high school, though if I wanted to I probably could’ve played community college or something, but I was too busy partying and pooning in college.

      MB played college, and I think some others even played a bit in the NFL, but they remain somewhat vague.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        cool.

        I played a little with the amateur that’s here in the city. Ran some WR and I found it difficult to see the ball because of blurry vision when running.

        I asked because I don’t understand why it doesn’t happen more ofter what happened to nelson…lose the ball when running at full speed like on that 3rd down.

    • Scott W.

      Yes. Oh so many years ago, I did.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        what level/position ?

        • Scott W.

          I never got past High School. Played hoops at a small college that didn’t have a football team.
          I was a DE and WR, played both ways, back in the day there weren’t seperate units except at enormous and rich high schools.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            copy/paste

            I asked because I don’t understand why it doesn’t happen more ofter what happened to nelson…lose the ball when running at full speed like on that 3rd down.

          • Scott W.

            Well, for me, it was raw fear. Peer pressure came in the form of nearly manslaughter when one of us fumbled, no matter the reason or cause.
            Then there was the coach, who was a certifiable maniac.
            But in reality, the ball becomes part of you when you are running like that, Barb.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I guess.

          • Yup, that’s the way it was at my HS too.
            I played WR/CB and even some specials.
            Specials was always way scarier to me lol

          • Cormonster

            As a small, fast guy, I loved being the gunner. You can lay wood at full speed on a bigger guy and not feel a thing. I was the long snapper too. I can still do it like it was yesterday. It’s just an upside down pass.

          • Scott W.

            Had a great friend that was the RB and punt returner. He HATED returning kicks, though he was better than average at it. Extra high punt? He was scarred SHITLESS of you guys.

  • BerwynBomber

    DAL somehow goes down and scores a TD here, this game might be over. Would the Cheese dare bring in Flynn?

  • RenoBear

    Love love love love watching the packers struggle. Freakin aeesome

    • Shady
      • RenoBear

        Yes. Exactly

      • Scott W.

        Oh, that was a damned fine post, Shady.

        • Shady

          Don’t thank me, thank the Germans.

          • Scott W.

            Can I do it singing Wayne Newton’s hit, Danke Schoen?
            Besides, the Germans don’t post here.

    • BearDown100393

      I agree but somewhat the enthusiasm’s muted because the opponent is Dallas.

  • Jason Witten going to the Hall, Aikmen? That’s news to me.
    Gonzales and Gates for sure. Gronk and Graham.
    Not sure about Witten.

  • BearDown100393

    Did Green Bay subcontract the Park District to lay down that turf? Looks like absolute crap.

  • BerwynBomber

    A gimpy Rodgers and the Pack’s D makes the Cheese a very ordinary team.

  • willbest

    That spot was generous. Should be about 3rd and 1.5

  • Shady

    Joe Buck is such a fucking homer.

    • BearDown100393

      Homer for hire. He will read whatever homer cue cards are given from FOX Network.

    • Journalistic nepotism.

      • Shady

        I also dislike Chip Caray.

  • In my predictions I was going to state Witten will be good for 3 first downs, but figured 5 catches would cover that.
    So far, he’s going to cover that prediction in the first half alone.

    Still say Murray runs for 100+ and Dez goes for 100+ receiving.

    Romo has already fumbled it, so we’ll see if his chokes cost them a win.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    Jerry is going to want his money back on that spot correction. damn reviews

    • BearDown100393

      Video replay will include “Jerry Cam” next season.

  • Haha. Kill Kill!

    I bet Romo audibled out of a run on 3rd and 1, then muffed the snap and threw a jump ball in the red zone.

    Sadly, All too familiar.

    • BearDown100393

      He is playing with a healing fractured spine.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Aikman said the “Kill, Kill” Romo called was definitely an audible.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, the Cowboys call timeout because they think they made a first down. The Booth uses that time to review the spot (which WAS absolutely CRAPPY and should have been reviewed and re-spotted short). The Cowboys then lose the first down on the review AND the Timeout that allowed the review. Something smells wrong about THAT.

    • BearDown100393

      I thought there was an injury timeout????

      • AlbertInTucson

        Nope.

    • That’s what happens when Jerra hires a yes man for HC instead of a real coach.
      A real coach would’ve ran a quick snap, THEN called a TO.

      • BerwynBomber

        Garrett has been known to fuck up in the past when it comes to time management; in fact, at times he has been horrendous about it. On the flip side, McCarthy sometimes doesn’t know when to go conservative and sit on a lead. I always recall that Cobb special teams pass a few years back that kept us in the game. A bonehead coaching move if there ever was one.

        • True, I remember that play.
          Maybe in the past McCarthy didn’t trust his run game, which is why they drafted Fat Eddie.
          Sometimes good coaches get too cute; Garrett isn’t getting too cute – he just sucks.
          Though if they somehow pull out a SB I might have to revise my position.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yep, too cute. That is what I think of McCarthy at times.

            Other than that end of the half sequence, Garrett has coached a decent game. ‘girls playing smart football.

          • madscout12

            Let’s hope they continue to soften up GB via the run.

  • And that completes my Cowboy kicker choking prediction.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yep. That was big. Then again, Crosby isn’t Mr. Automatic either.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    that’s incomplete pass

    • BearDown100393

      The ball clearly hit the ground.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        they’re doing shit as they come… there’s no universal standard.

    • willbest

      New York has spoken.

      • AlbertInTucson

        New disagrees with Pereira a LOT.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    During SEA-CAR on Sky Sports UK their NFL crew that come in during US commercials said this:

    ‘last year only 3% of drives that had a sack during (that drive) ended up in a TD’

    Jeff should appreciate this stat… he’s a sack lover.

    PS: I don’t know what ‘last year’ means. This regular season or the one last year.

    • BerwynBomber

      That is a cool stat. I would bet an offensive holding penalty tracks about the same.

    • Jeff is indeed, a sack lover!
      bwhaha

  • GPLDAN

    Big Peppa

    • willbest

      Peppers is playing for his job. Turning in a monster game.

  • Shady

    Pepto-Bismol

  • one thing none of us have spoken about in getting rid of emery – choosing Jared Allen over Peppers. any merit to it? anybody?

    • willbest

      Peppers wasn’t worth the 20 mil cap hit. Not based on his prior to years.

    • madscout12

      Peppers would not have played well for us. Allen is not relevant to that discussion.

      I think the truth is that cutting Peppers was the right move, and signing Allen, so far, was the wrong one.

      • willbest

        I don’t know. Nobody can predict the fact that you are going to play down 14 points or more half the season, or Allen’s pneumonia, or the fact the linebackers couldn’t cover anybody for 2.2 seconds.

  • AlbertInTucson

    T.J. Lang, you ignorant slut.

    Shaddap,Packer faithful. The Zebras got that abosolute right.

    • madscout12

      Vadgers, you gravy sucking pig.

    • Maddbearfan

      Yep, that penalty hurt them big time.

    • Cormonster

      Packer fans are crying bloody murder over on Facebook. The refs are at fault for the Packers losing.

  • Shady

    Clutts stoning the Pep Show?

  • GPLDAN

    Clutts pancakes Pep on that TD run

    • AlbertInTucson

      Yeah, we didn’t need a Clutts on the BEARS. We only want KLUTZes.

    • A white FB stonewalling Pep on a critical play.
      Sounds vaguely familiar.

  • Maddbearfan

    Green Bay feeling the pressure…..

  • willbest

    What is the point of only rushing 4 if you aren’t going to actually play coverage.

    • BerwynBomber

      That was good man-to-man. That ball was perfect. Nothing the DB could have done short of PI.

      • Yeah, but everyone in the building knows it’s most likely going to be cover-2 or 3.
        Rodgers is very familiar with where the holes are in both schemes – I think you gotta blitz and take your chances, or at least do a better job of disguising, esp when the defenders are sub-par.

  • Shady

    What a throw.

  • Shady

    Why aren’t the Cowboys RUNNING THE BALL?!!?

    • madscout12

      Because why would you go with what’s been working?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      must of picked up the wrong playbook leaving the locker room at half. My guess Trestman accidentally left one behind during the season

  • GPLDAN

    Fucking clinic.

  • RenoBear

    Fuck the pack. And now the announcers will commence the verbal fellatio. They will go straight for the deep throat

  • Scott W.

    I’m sorry, but I can’t root for Seattle OR Dallas under almost any circumstances.

  • BerwynBomber

    Stupid challenge. That’s a catch.

    • willbest

      If the Cobb thing was a catch, that most certainly is

    • Cormonster

      Dez made a “football move” before he went down.

      • BerwynBomber

        GB will be out of TOs.

        • Cormonster

          I guess “the process” trumps the “football move”. What the hell do I know. I don’t understand the rules anymore.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I say that “catch” call is going to be overturned.

  • Shady

    Down by contact, right?

    • Cormonster

      Bryant’s midsection hit the ground before he stretched out his arm.

      • madscout12

        And his elbow. And his knee.

        Just unbelieveable

        • AlbertInTucson

          Neither of those matters when it comes to completing the catch.

    • AlbertInTucson

      That is a “no catch” all day, every day by the current rule.

      • Shady

        He caught the ball, Al.

        • BerwynBomber

          So did Calvin Johnson and Troy Polamula.
          They need to do away with the rule.

        • AlbertInTucson

          No, Shady, he didn’t. When hs are slammed the ball on the ground it came loose and he had to re-grasp it. heat was an easy reversal. That ball can’t come loose when iut contacts the ground whether he knee, forearm or ass hit the ground first or not. ‘m sorry it helped the Packers but that’s the rule. It was correctly applied. I

          • Shady

            He caught the ball. He stretched for the endzone. That’s a catch by definition.

          • willbest

            He made a football move after gain possession. He didn’t need to control it to the ground.

  • Shady

    You can’t overturn that.

  • Shady

    omg

  • Shady

    That’s such shit.

  • BearDown100393

    I give up. I no longer know what constitutes a catch in the NFL.

    • Shady

      So fucking stupid.

      • BearDown100393

        What the NFL is trying to accomplish with VR is beyond me.

  • willbest

    No football move my ass. he moved to his outside arm and then extended it.

  • GPLDAN

    FUCK that.

  • Shady

    That’s a horrible call IMO, but I guess it’s karma for last week’s debacle.

    • BerwynBomber

      I thought his left knee was down but on the last replay it looked like it wasn’t. Will have to see again.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Knee down has NOTHING to do with whether it was a catch because he hadn’t made a “football move’ yet.

        • Cormonster

          So let’s say Bryant caught it at the 20. If he took 3-4 more steps stumbling to the ground and the same thing happened, would that be an incompletion because he didn’t make a “football move”?

    • BearDownChi

      Same ref that made the Calvin Johnson call wich allowed Bears to win

      • Shady

        Yes, “the process of the catch”

      • BerwynBomber

        Didn’t like the rule back then. Don’t like it now. Actually the most egregious example of it was the Polaluma INT vs the Colts during PITT’s SB run under Cowher. He literally flipped over twice on the ground and then the ball popped out and they waved off the INT.

        • BearDownChi

          It’s just crazy when u watch I saw it live I thought what an amazing catch.

  • RenoBear

    Packers are a classless bunch . Arrogant asses. Joe Buck sure does like them though. As he ‘heaps the praise’ on Vadgers. Bitch

  • BearDown100393

    “The catch that wasn’t” but was.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Sorry. You are wrong.

      • willbest

        He moved the ball from two hands to 1 hand (football move), then extended 1 hand (football move), was then down by contact, and then the ground caused the ball to come out.

      • GPLDAN

        Nope. You are.

        • AlbertInTucson

          You KNOW that’s not possible.

  • RenoBear

    And whoever coined ‘fatty mcbutterpants McCarthy’ last thread was freakin awesome! Such an apt description

    • TheBigCheesy

      that was waffle. it was awesome

  • Shady

    People will obviously focus on the replay reversal, but Jason Garett should be grilled for abandoning the run down the stretch. Second game in a row he’s done it, forgetting what got the team there in the first place.

    • willbest

      You tend to have trust issues when your RB fumbles the ball.

    • BerwynBomber

      They ran the ball 28 times, passed it 19. Romo played well. Murray played well (but for the fumble). Key play — outside of the overturn — was the first Rodgers 4th Q TD to Adams. That was a 3rd and 16 play. Killer.

  • Anyone still belie the NFL doesn’t favor the Pack?
    Never thought I would, but I gotta go for Seahawks next week as the vehicle to bring balance back to the force.

    • GPLDAN

      That was ridiculous. It’s the kind of call that hurts the sport. Badly.

      • And Cheeseheads will go to the grave parroting, “process” and that’s BS.
        He LUNGED towards the end. He EXTENDED.
        THOSE ARE FOOTBALL PLAYS.

        Packers will swear he didn’t, and that’s a bunch of BS.

        I hope the Packers get crushed now.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          When the ball snaps, how is anything you do considered a “non-football” move other than to diliberately go over to someone and punch them in the face or some type of harmful act?

          • I think for some catches, esp in the endzone, when a player is just stationary bobbling the ball, or even sometimes when a receiver is coming down bobbling the ball, they consider bobbling/juggling a “non football move.” and apparently, someone could bobble the football for 50 yards and it would be considered an incomplete.
            But when you’re reaching for the endzone, I think that argument goes out the door.

  • willbest

    Well my Sunday afternoon opened up next week. NFL doesn’t deserve my eyeballs when its going to stage the product so blatantly.

  • So, if the football crosses the endzone, then it’s a TD, not incomplete, right?
    How is LUNGING for the endzone with possession of the ball NOT considered a “football act”.
    He lost control for a bit after his elbow was down (which is like a knee, right?) but still ended up with the ball.
    I thought the ground couldn’t cause a fumble either. Am I going crazy here? WTH is going on?

    • willbest

      What is going on is New York wanted the Packers to win.

      • AlbertInTucson

        “Conspiracy” argument? Against “America’s Team”? Ludicrous.

        • willbest

          “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”

          • AlbertInTucson

            That’s very cute. But irrelevant in this case.

            The truth is that as soon as more than one person is involved, the kind of conspiracy you suggest is an UNKEEPABLE secret.

    • BerwynBomber

      I actually don’t think his left knee hit. It looks like it would on every camera angle (though you never see it touch), but Fox showed one angle from the sideline and it appeared it never did. If it didn’t, I can see the overturn.

      • Didn’t his elbow hit though? Isn’t that like a knee?
        Where’s Madden when you need him…

        • BerwynBomber

          Ha! Yeah, I don’t know about the elbow but the rule might be that you still have to maintain possession if the player has not executed a football move.

          Anyway, I never liked the rule, even when it worked in our favor against the Kittens and Megatron a few years back. But as I said downthread, the worst overturn I ever saw of it was when Polaluma picked Peyton for what seemed a game-clinching INT a few years back. Polaluma literally turned over twice on the ground and then lost the ball and they overturned the INT>

        • AlbertInTucson

          The elbow is not an issue in completing the act of the catch.

          • You didn’t think he made a football move?
            He didn’t stretch out like Superman, but it looked to me like when he was coming down, he tried for the endzone with possession/control, his elbow hit the ground (which if you possess the ball, is the end of the play).

            I think the only debatable point is whether Dez made a football move or not, and to my eyes, live and in slow-mo, he did.

          • GPLDAN

            He did. Al is wrong.

          • Johnnywad

            Looked like a completed catch to me Al. He had clean possession took two steps and was down by contact before the ball ever moved. It only matters that the ball moved after he hit the ground if he doesn’t make the two steps first.

  • BerwynBomber

    Feel bad for Romo. Garrett being classy.

  • Detroit Lions fans are dancing around chanting “Karma”.
    Talk about conflicted emotions.

  • BerwynBomber

    Would be surprised if the Colts don’t get trounced.

  • Maddbearfan

    It looked like Dez was extending his arm for the goal line and when the ball hit the ground it came loose. What he shouda done has secure the ball so that Dallas would keep the ball. Big oopsie!

    • Dez thought that extending for the goal-line would be considered a football move.
      He forgot he was playing the Packers.

  • Broncos can’t leave Hilton one on one with Talib or any CB for that matter.

    Broncos must bracket him, and force Luck to beat them with Fleener, Wayne and Herron.

    Then again, I subscribe to the Billichick school of eliminating the opponent’s most dangerous weapon.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Guys, I’ve been doing something else and missed the 2nd half. What happened ?

  • “Boom” Herron goes “Boom”.
    Funny, I read that T-rich has been demoted to special teams. I wonder if he’s even active.

    • BerwynBomber

      Richardson is inactive for today’s game.

      • Literally every RB they inserted has greatly outperformed T-rich.

        That was a big a bust as Shea.

        • And on an FF note, Artoo stuck with him all last year and this year too!

          You are a stubborn one, Artoo.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          yeah but the Browns weaseled several picks for him in a trade.

          • And didn’t that pick turn into Johnny Football?

            The Charlie Browns.

          • BerwynBomber

            Exactly. It was “only” one first round pick, which the Clowns used on Manziel.

  • BerwynBomber

    Colts killing themselves early with these dumb penalties.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Anything from Jerry Jones about the ref fiasco today? Just got off of work

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      nope – though his bank called and said he had insufficient funds in one of his off shore accounts which caused a couple transactions to bounce.

  • If my last name were “Wolfe” and I sacked the QB, I would howl to celebrate. That would be my thing.

  • Cormonster

    What was wrong with the two feet and possession rule? Was there too much controversy over that rule, so they decided to make it worse with even more grey area?

    • AlbertInTucson

      While I think they made the correct call with the rule as it is, I am ALL for removing “grey areas” for the zebras to to have to interpret. Getting rid of the “Force Out” rule a couple of seasons ago was a good start.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Man I love Special Teams !!! Become a Bears far because of it…Toub-Hester.

    Cribbs took 2 huge hits…didn’t bulge even for 1 second.

  • BearDown100393

    Just noticed Coby Fleener’s helmet. A new design supposedly to help prevent concussions. A bit more information here: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/3/28/5547618/riddell-speedflex-helmets-insite-technology

    • Shady

      It’s been around for a while, hasn’t it? Personally, I’m skeptical of what these manufacturers claim these helmets do or prevent.

      • BearDown100393

        I have no idea. The article was published March ’14. I have not noticed any other NFLer wear this model in games.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          oh, yeah… it’s been around all year.

  • “What am I supposed to do? I’m just reaching for the goal line. I don’t understand,” Bryant said, via Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/11/dez-bryant-i-was-reaching-for-end-zone-what-am-i-supposed-to-do/

    Apparently, the NFL doesn’t want you to actually play football, Dez. Just make a catch like when you’re practicing on the jug machine.

    • John Doe

      Dez should be happy he got to play today after kittens got jobbed last week.

      Cowboys totally deserved that call.

      Karma is a bitch.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    those wankers are booing Payton Manning.

    I guess they miss Tebow time…or Orton…or Cutler…

    • BearDown100393

      Jake Plummer

      • Jake the Snake!
        I actually enjoyed watching him.

        • AlbertInTucson

          He walked away from the game when Denver tried to exile him to Tampa.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Andrew Luck dam I’m jealous. Wish the Bears could have a qb like him.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Love Sims knock on Luck about Rodgers. Hate hearing this guy commentate.

  • willbest

    In watching the Broncos we can add Denver as a possible trade partner for Cutler. Manning looks done.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    this is pathetic.

  • John Doe

    Dan Leberfeld4m
    Fox’s Jay Glazer announced that John Fox could be out if Broncos lose today. If that happens, I wonder if he would get one of the open jobs.

    • AlbertInTucson

      It’s John Fox’s fault that Father Time seems to be catching up with Peyton Manning?

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I like this Colts tactic. Go deep instead of punting.

  • BerwynBomber

    Horrible tackling by the Colts. Could cost them the ballgame if Denver wins.

  • John Doe

    The teams looking to hire HCs:

    Bills – Sign Rex Ryan. done.
    Jets – Deal in place with Quinn.
    Falcons – Want Jason Garrett or Josh McDaniels
    49ers – Vic Fangio front runner?
    Raiders – Sporano?
    Bears – Wide open…

    • BearDown100393

      Sounding like Kubiak for the Bears. But who knows really?

      • John Doe

        only Accorsi knows.

        I would be ok with Kubiak ..especially if he brings Wade Phillips.

        • Shady

          I would be very OK with Kubiak and Phillips.

        • BearDown100393

          After the GM hire, I’m definitely not jumping the gun on who will be the HC.

    • Dave Toub?

    • Shady

      I heard Kubiak was prime target for the Bears this morning.

      • John Doe

        Yes, I heard that too. Kubiak’s QB coach- Rick Dennison – was interviewed by Phil Emery 2 years ago.

  • BearDown100393

    This game is not yet over but Manning is reminding me more and more of the veteran boxer who will give a younger stronger opponent a tough fight yet inevitably loses.

  • Shady

    Not gonna lie, I would enjoy watching this Luck kid knock off Manning and Brady in their own buildings.

    • BearDown100393

      He seems to keep the opponent’s offense off the field with sustained long drives.

      • AlbertInTucson

        If he throws 2 picks in New England and they’ll bury him.

  • AlbertInTucson

    8 minute drive resulting in a FG. UH-oh, Broncos.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Looked like a good spot to me, Broncos. Hasta luego, caballos.

  • BearDown100393

    Changing of the guard here between old Colts QB and the new one?

  • Shady

    I know we’ve got the Bennett brothers up there, but did anyone figure out who those other two guys are?

  • Shady

    Seattle 7.5 faves over GB right now.

    • Shady

      Gotta think NE would be at least 4 pt faves over IND.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I’d say more.

        • Shady

          They opened as 7pt favorites.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Thanks! I was gonna guess 6 and a hook.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Wise guys thinking “Seahawk defense instead of Cowboy defense plus Rodgers’ calf dosen’t figure to be any better next week”.

  • BearDown100393

    Denver wasting a lot of clock time.

  • BearDown100393

    Denver offense waved the white towel. Pathetic.

  • BerwynBomber

    Nice try by Elway but doubtful they will be able to maintain such a star-laden team in the off-season.

    Wonder if Peyton retires. Seems too much the competitor but he is also smart and has to know Father of Time may have finally arrived.

    • John Doe

      Yes, Peyton looks done. His throws have no zip and they wobble all the time…ugly ducks.

      Sure Peyton is smart and much better than most QBs and yes he can beat up the Jags, Raiders etc. but he is not winning Super Bowl because he struggles against a half decent defense.

      • BerwynBomber

        For the record I meant “smart” in terms of knowing when to hang’em up.

        Only issue could be if his legs were more injured than anyone knew. But yeah, the last six weeks DEN seem to be hiding his limitations whenever they could. Also, I would be surprised if DEN is this stacked again. They have some high-priced FAs to deal with in the off-season.

        • John Doe

          Denver window has closed.

          They had a shot last year but ran into Seattle and they were not even close to them. So Elway spent a bunch of money and re-loaded for try number 2 this year. And once again they did not even come close. They can no longer take short-term, easy decisions to make themselves contenders.

  • NewBearInTown

    Well we saw New England play Denver in the regular season and nothing convinces me a playoff game would look much different. The Patriots are the superior contender for the AFC.
    But New England v. Indy is more intriguing. This could be Luck’s year, despite the flawed team around him.

    • BerwynBomber

      The other thing is that the Colts D looked surprisingly competent.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Broncos spent good money on Demarcus Ware and tonight he looked like “DeMarcus NoWareToBeSeen.” Von Miller was pretty invisible,too.

    All this against a, supposedly, POOR Colt offensive line.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Nov. 16, 2014: Patriots 42 – Colts 20.

    And THAT was AT Indy.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Dez Bryant: “They took it away.” Wah, wah wah.

    Like the Cowboy defense was going to stop the Packers anyway?

    The Packers weren’t even trying to score after that call and the Cowboys couldn’t get the ball back.

    • NewBearInTown

      1. That was a catch. If the rules say otherwise, the rules need to be changed.
      2. I agree, Green Bay likely would have scored on the last drive if they needed to.

      • AlbertInTucson

        The rules say otherwise, ergo, it wasn’t a catch. But as I agreed earlier, it IS a VERY grey area and I’m all for eliminating grey areas in the rules.

        Yes, just like last week, that call didn’t end the game. The Cowboys still had a chance and gacked it up just like Detroit did.

        • willbest

          You won’t convince me he didn’t make a football move. He made a football move, he didn’t need to maintain possession to the ground.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Adding a bit of a lunge while in the act of falling down doesn’t qualify as a football move.

          • willbest

            A lunge is a deliberate act. How would it not be considered a football move.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Because he was still in the act of going to the ground which superceds all the football moves complaints. The rule in question is very SPECIFIC that if catch a ball while you are going to the ground you must maintain control when you hit the ground. He didn’t.

          • willbest

            If you have it within you to make a lunge, you are not going to the ground.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Sorry but, yes, you are going to the ground.

          • Bender McLugh

            when is it deemed “going to the ground” is the big question then. After two feet are already on the ground and, if no other movement, the player would not be going to the ground. Since Bryant initiated the lunge, refs deemed it as going to the ground during the catch, which is not right. Ground forced the ball out, should have been a catch.

            But who cares, fuck the Cowboys.

        • NewBearInTown

          I watch the replay and I see that he had full control of the ball and then reached for the pylon. Regardless of what the book says, the rules need to allow players to do that.
          But I agree, the “football maneuver” is a stupid gray area that should be changed. In John Madden’s words “If five guys watching the game in a bar all say its a catch, the rules should say its a catch.”

  • BerwynBomber

    ESPN just showed the reverse angle of the Bryant play. His left knee never touched. Arguably, the first thing that hit the ground was the ball.

    Anyway, it was a stupid rule when they first concocted after the Polalumu INT vs. PITT (that was waved off). And it bit Calvin Johnson in the ass when they played us. The rule needs to be adjusted but technically they got the call right.

    • willbest

      His belly clearly hits before the ball hits the ground

      https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/554427654905298944

      You will also notice that the ball is firmly in his hand with both feet on the ground, and that it is moved forward when he moves his arm.

      • BerwynBomber

        TJ had a good take on Primetime, namely that Bryant’s superb athleticism worked against him.

        Will be interesting to see if it comes up before the rules committee in the off-season. Never been crazy about the rule.

        Btw, it was an amazing play by Bryant.

        • Bender McLugh

          very Marcus Robinson-esque

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Indy has a structural problem against New England. On Defense they can’t stop the run, Gronk or the WRs. On Offense they can’t run against New England nickel D and they will double team Hilton on every play with McCourty over the top.

    It Colts win next week it would be a huge result. It would be a dream game for them.

    PS: The Patriots have on their roster 2 RB that put 200+ yards against the Colts last 2 times they met.
    In the chess match that is a football game how can you stop THAT without opening yourself to the other weapons and attack tactics?

    They need a masterpiece of a game plan and superior execution.

    • willbest

      Colts are the only team I am neutral on. But I will be rooting for Darth Hoodie, because neither Seattle nor Green Bay must be allowed the top prize, and I don’t believe the Colts can beat either.

      • Bender McLugh

        Darth Hoodie lol

  • huntinbare

    Pace.. Call Marinelli tonight and ask him if he would be open to coming back

    • Shady

      As a coordinator? Sure. As HC? No thanks. That stench of the 0-16 season still lingers in my nostrils.

      • BerwynBomber

        Doubtful he leaves DAL. That is a pretty young D that was injured yet still markedly improved from the previous year. Moreover, DAL might go big on D in their draft.

      • AlbertInTucson

        To be fair to Rod, that season was also under Matt Millen’s most odious watch as GM in the Motor City.

      • Trac

        I’m pretty sure old sauce has said he doesn’t want to be a HC again. Lovie had to practically beg him to take the DC job

      • huntinbare

        To keep channels open…it is good for business …maybe by the time DC comes up we might want to talk to him

    • willbest

      I am surprised it hasn’t been announced that Marinelli is the new DC for the Bucs yet.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Manning has nine ‘one-and-done’ playoff appearances. The greatest choker of all time. I love it.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yep, 11-13 in the post-season and 1-2 against underdog SB teams. He is the best regular season QB ever but his post-season results are, at best, iffy.

      • AlbertInTucson

        And he certainly was NOT the MVP of the Super Bowl he DID win.

        • BerwynBomber

          Agreed. Should have gone to either Rhodes. Beside him, Addai. That MVP was a career achievement gift to Peyton. Then again, I didn’t Brady should have been awarded his first either against the Rams. Pats D won that game.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Philosophy there seems to be, “When in doubt, give it to the winning QB”.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not always: R-berger played fantastic against AZ and they gave it to Santonio Holmes and last year Wilson had a fantastic game, though I could see why a member of SEA’s D received it.

    • Yeah, I couldn’t believe that stat.
      Hard to say lock HOFer, then 9 one-and-done in the same breath.
      Crazy.

      • BerwynBomber

        There are plenty of HoFers with crappy post-season records. He’s a lock, but yeah, his game definitely fell off in the playoffs most seasons.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I can think of two HOFers with NO post seasons.

          Dick & Gale.

      • willbest

        Yeah. He is a HoFer, but he shouldn’t go into the special room.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Wow. A bit Damning.

      • Trac

        Not a fair assessment Al.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Because….? And he only DID win a SB because Lovie and Ron Turner gave it to him.

          • Trac

            Peyton is a good boy.

          • AlbertInTucson

            No argument with that. No argument with first ballot HOFer. But the post season record IS a bit thin.

            My favorite Peyton commercial is still the one with “Would sign this for my brother? You’re his favorite accountant!”

  • AlbertInTucson

    You want to cry about what lost the game, Cowboy fans? How about giving up a 3rd and 11 to 1-legged QB with 2 minutes to go?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Natural grass or synthetic in Seattle?

    I don’t hink a harder surface is going to help that calf any.

    • BerwynBomber

      Rodgers will be toast next week without his trademark mobility. Gutty effort today — but SEA will sack him often.

    • Shady

      If you’re searching for an edge in capping the NFC Championship Game between Green Bay and Seattle, look no further than the turf of CenturyLink Field.

      The Seahawks have long enjoyed home field advantage thanks to the vaunted “12th man,” but it’s the playing surface that could create a major cause for concern for Packers bettors. Green Bay has played five games on FieldTurf this season and have failed to cover in each of those matchups. The Packers went 9-2-1 against the spread in games played on grass this year.

      Predictably, the reigning Super Bowl champions have fared much bettor on the artificial surface. The ‘Hawks are 6-3-1 ATS on turf after squeaking out a cover over Carolina at home Saturday.

      The Greek opened Seattle as 7-point home faves for the game with a total of 48.

      http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx?theArt=403792

      • CanadaBear

        Isn’t Lambeau some type of Field Turf? I know it’s not all grass.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Where did Eddie Lacy disapear to the last art of that game?

  • BillW

    I recall one packer fan I know arguing with me over and over after the calvin Johnson ruling that Detroit got robbed and the Bears didn’t deserve to win

    Today of course he feels the exact opposite and literally sees no contradiction in that whatsoever

    Seriously there are very few packer fans who will discuss football rationally. So many have this annoying sense of entitlement it’s very easy to root against them

    I admire how the Packers turned themselves into perennial contenders. But their fans for the most part need a bit more humility. Of course when they lose next week they will talk about how it’s because Rodgers wasn’t 100 percent. Yet when other teams say that packer fans say they are whiners

    Go Seahawks!!

    • Shady

      So true.

    • TheBigCheesy

      all fans are the same, Bill. They are all morons.

  • John Doe

    Brad Biggs2m
    #Ravens announce offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak is staying in Baltimore. So scratch him off list of possible candidates for #Bears job

    • Thank god. Jeff, let’s celebrate!

      • John Doe

        I think his health will keep him from considering HC job again. Stroke or TIA is no joke and Kubiak suffered on live tv and was lucky to get immediate medical attention.

        I am surprised he even got back to being OC. It is not as stressful as HC job but still is tough. And when you get one stroke, the chances you will get it again go higher.

        • Well, I don’t like THAT part of it, but I agree with Jeff. I think Kubiak is like Turner.
          A fine play caller, but not HC material.
          Naturally, I hope his health improves for his sake.

          • John Doe

            Obviously, we all have our opinions. Regardless of what Jeff thinks, Kubiak would have easily got another shot at HC this year if his health permitted him. He is not going to come out and say that.

            Kubiak was considered a strong candidate by Bears and front office people at other teams.

            Btw, the candidates Jeff prefers are not even on Bears radar. He first wanted Harbaugh and Bears did not even make a call to him. Then he was on to Rex Ryan and Bears came out and said that they have no interest in Ryan.

          • Well, we ALL wanted Harbs as our first choice, but knew pretty early on that was a dream. Still, a gal can dream.
            As for Rex, that too was a long shot because the Bears don’t like boisterous coaches. They like the mellow Lovie type That’s probably why Kubiak was so coveted.

            . But that doesn’t mean Rexy would be a bad choice (with the right OC).

            I think Jeff knows there’s always been a disconnect between the fans and McCaskeys, for better or worse.

            For instance, a lot of fans want Toub, but doubt that happens too..

          • BerwynBomber

            Ryan’s track record of loose locker rooms was never going to sell with the McCaskeys and Phillips after this past year.

    • BerwynBomber

      Wow, that is surprising. Wonder if Kubiak wants no part of NFL HCing again.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Just watched the ‘controversial’ call. Wow. Really? In no way was that ever a catch. I can’t believe that’s even a thing.

    • Shady

      In no way was that ever a catch, except for the part where he caught it.

      • EnderWiggin

        I have to take Shady’s side. Since when is three steps,and a dive for the goal, not “a football move”?

        • BillW

          Was it three steps? Haven’t seen it. Heard he was falling. Was he touched or falling on his own?

          • BillW

            And what did pereira say?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Pereira said he would have reversed the call to incomplete.

          • Dez was going down, but kept his balance, control AND it was obvious his left arm EXTENDED for the endzone. And it was called originally a catch.

            As anyone who has ever played the game on any sort of level, you don’t EXTEND for the endzone unless you’re very sure about control cuz you don’t want to fumble it, esp that close to scoring.

            It was different than the Megatron reversal because that was a sideline catch.

          • BillW

            If he is going to the ground he has to maintain control throughout. Calvin essentially let go of the ball himself after falling untouched in the end zone. Mistakenly thought the play was over and didn’t know it wasn’t until he hit the ground with full control

            Sounds like dez didn’t know he had to maintain full control as he was falling and as he hit the ground. If he took three steps with control falling or not I would think it’s a catch. So without seeing it I’d say he probably didn’t

          • Actually, the steps don’t matter. In that respect Al is correct.
            It’s whether or not Dez made a “football move”.
            IMO, and many others, Dez did catch it, control it, then LUNGED for the endzone. His elbow and maybe belly hit the ground, at which point, the play should be over.a
            It’s like if someone catches a screen and dives for the endzone, but someone comes and knocks the ball out of bounds or something.
            It’s still considered a catch.
            The refs somehow concluded without a doubt that Dez DID NOT reach for the endzone, thus negating the “football move” part, in which case, it was NOT a catch, but to anyone who has watched the play, it very much looked like a football move and thus, catch.

          • BillW

            Listened to pereira on Fox website. Sounds like they felt the lunge came as he was falling. Looked that way to me. So lunge or not since he is falling he needs to maintain control even when he hits the ground. He didnt. No catch

          • It comes down to whether extending his arm for the endzone (whether he’s falling or flying is irrelevant) with control is a football move.
            Seems like it would be a football move to me.

          • BillW

            Just watched the replay. I think even live I would have thought it incomplete though I saw it in slow motion

    • BillW

      Just watched the replay. Have to agree. From everything I read I thought it was close. That was no catch

  • BillW

    So who do we NOT want as coach?

    I don’t want marrone. . Not sure the DC for Detroit makes a good hc just because their defense is good. No negatives against the other mentioned candidates

    No toub interview scheduled I assume he’s out. Anything on Shanny?

    • I don’t want Kubiak, and apparently he’s out.
      No Shanny
      No Morrone

    • John Doe

      I don’t think they want to pair a young, inexperienced coach with the new 37 year old GM.

      Jack Del Rio is the new favorite.

      If they want HC from offense side of the ball and don’t mind a young HC, Pete Carmichael Jr., Saints OC or Darell Bevell Seahawks OC.

      Not sold on Adam Gase. Not sold on Lions DC as well.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Bevill. Hmm. Not sure about him.

        Seattle is who and where they are because of their defense.

        • Johnnywad

          Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch might want a little piece of that pie too.

  • In non-football news, the U.S. is no longer a “democracy”. And in other news, water is wet.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy

    • AlbertInTucson

      Technically, the USA has (had?) been a Republic, not a Democracy but, no sense quibbling since you don’t have to be Thomas Jefferson to realize that it’s one giant influence-peddling machine anymore.

      • That was my original thought. Even Ancient Greece was more of a Republic. Pure democracies can only exist in very small communities, and even then, “Leaders” tend to arise.

        Oligarchy or Plutocrachy, final answer Alex.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      of course it isn’t…you guys keep killing the best leaders on the market.

      That being said it doesn’t matter. It’s still a great country to live in… if you chose the right place…and there are lots of great places. Like Canada.

  • Here you go Irish, and other space fans. 1.5Billion pixel Pics of Andromeda galaxy, where our overlords originated.

    http://www.iflscience.com/space/one-and-half-billion-pixels-andromedan-magnifcence

    http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic1502a/zoomable/

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