• 100% Yes.
    Has no correlation to me being first!

    • I seconded that emotion

      • I think all these hypotheticals come with a caveat: get rid of him for what?

        If you give me a 1st for Bmarsh, Forte, Cutler – see ya.

        As WWF wrestler Ted Dibiase astutely refrained: everybody has a price.

        • willbest

          Nobody is going to trade for Forte. He is a 29 yo RB making 8.5 mil next year and an FA after that. Well Maybe the Colts, they apparently have blind spots when it comes to RBs.

          • Oh yeah, I know. It’s all about diminishing returns.
            We MIGHT get a 3rd for Forte. Would we trade Forte for a 3rd? It’s not just the financial trade off, but the emotional. What message would that send to the team?

            Then, factor in that good RBs don’t necessarily grow on trees like everyone assumes. Need I remind us of Barber/Wolf/Bush/Benson/Enis…

            I think we can get a 2nd for Cutler, and a 3rd for Bmarsh, both with conditional picks, realistically.

          • AlbertInTucson

            A 2nd for Cutler? Not with THAT contract.

          • His contract is really not all that onerus anymore.
            He’s going to count $15M against the cap in 2015. And if another team signs him, might be less (they didn’t pay the gauranteed or the bonuses).

            That’s about what Cutler level QBs will be getting paid going forward.

            At any time they can cut him or restructure.

            It’s like the Jets getting Harvin. they could cut him, no sweat off their balls.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’d say ”what team?’ – do we have one? Who’s the leader? I didn’t see a team this year, man, I saw a bunch of millionaires picking up cheques.
            I’d bite someone’s arm off for a 3rd. Plus, you’re dumping his contract when you could be paying a rookie 1.5M or whatever. We dump BM we dump our passing game, Alshon cannot carry this team. I don’t care who the guy is that picks up the four yards.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Trent got work …..

        • BerwynBomber

          Somebody mentioned Lynch and (an unnamed) DB for Cutty, BMarsh, and Forte. Seems like a solid move to me (unless the DB has some tremendously high salary and sucks). Anyway, just a silly hypothetical as SEA would have absolutely no interest in Cutty’s contract and probably very little in BMarsh’s as well. But did make me laugh as someone else said that Forte’s salary would be the one hard to move.

        • EnderWiggin

          Randy Savage took that Million Dollar Belt and whacked Dibiase upside the noggin.

      • SC Dave

        Yeah, emotion was the clear part of it. But I’ll trust the coaching staff. Because in the end, they decide and what we think is irrelevant.

    • Trac

      If we can parlay a 1st and 3rd rounder for him I would be all in for that. He’s on short time anyway as I don’t think the Bears will give him what other teams will offer when his contract is up.

      • willbest

        Okay sure Marshall has demonstrated he is in a better place now, but there is no way the Bears are going to get more than the two 3rd rounders they paid for him. He is 3 years older, is now an injury concern, and at ~$10mil/yr not exactly a bargain.

        • BerwynBomber

          I would take two 3rd rounders for him in a heartbeat. That would be a no-brainer move for Pace.

          Despite the hiring of Fox and Fangio, Bears would still be smart to be playing the long game. BMarsh (and his age and that contract) is short-term as hell.

          • willbest

            Yes it would, but it is unlikely we would get more than a 4th and a conditional 6th for him at this point.

      • SC Dave

        Hug that dream. NO WAY Marshall brings us that

        • Trac

          Lol. Ok, maybe a 2nd and a 3rd. He is worth it and there are teams that will pay it.

  • I think Fox could “control” Bmarsh. I doubt he’ll be challenging kangaroos to boxing matches on twitter under his watch.

    The more intriguing question is whether Cutler and Marshall have broken-up permanently, or if they will rekindle their bromance?

    I’m almost positive that when Bmarsh blew up talking about some in the locker lacking passion, it was directed at Cutler.

    His “buyer’s remorse” comments didn’t help either.

    Anyways, the one good aspect about Fox, an experienced coach, is that he’ll keep the numb-nuts in check – Bmarsh, Black Uni, etc.

    • CanadaBear

      Who knows what happened to cause Cutler to check out last year? He’ll never tell and I wouldn’t trust Nessman any further than I could throw him. My guess is BMarsh and Cutler will be just fine next season. Might not be all buddy buddy but they are both smart enough to know they need each other.

    • willbest

      I can’t see why Cutler and Marshall’s relationship would be strained by anything that I saw.

      I guess we will see if they all get together in Miami and party this off-season with some team building stuff.

  • beninnorcal

    MB30SD: Come back, man. Too many things have happened to the beloved since you were last seen here. Not enough T and A around either.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    First a Cutler post then a Marshall one ? Next… Shea McClellin.

    • CanadaBear

      I think Jeff will keep these polls to just the people that actually make a difference for the Bears on game day.

    • BerwynBomber

      Or Chris Conte …

  • CanadaBear

    Here’s a VERY detailed look into the rules and possible consequences for deflategate. Personally I could give a rat’s ass but a lot of people seemed to be obsessed by it.

    http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/21/new-england-patriots-deflategate-investigation-bill-belichick-tom-brady

    • Big Mike

      It’s a ridiculous rule. Let either side play with whatever level of inflation in the ball that they want. What would be unfair is if the Home team supplied the footballs and one team had an advantage. With that said I hope they take away draft picks.

      Even in 8th grad football, we let the air out of footballs when they are wet.

      • CanadaBear

        I don’t like Bellichick and I’m guessing they are guilty of breaking a rule. BFD. Like you, I’d be more than happy to see a fine and loss of a draft pick.

        • Smokin’ Joe

          What they need to do is dock NE a draft pick and give it to Indy.

          Losing draft picks doesn’t seem to deter Belicheat… maybe if those draft picks benefited his opponents, he might get the hint.

          • SC Dave

            This… and be docked THEIR ENTIRE DRAFT. A 31 team draft, and give Indy say, NE’s 2nd round pick

      • SC Dave

        It’s irrelevent what any of us think of the rule. The real point is that they flagrantly voilated it, and should be punished every bit, or more, flagrantly.

        • Big Mike

          I get your point and I don’t disagree. I just don’t care.

    • It’s not the rule, but rather the INTENT.
      11 of 12 balls were deflated by 2lbs or something like that? THAT is not “accidental”.
      Their INTENT was to gain an unfair competitive advantage AGAIN. That’s the worst part. Now allegations come out that the Colts complained about it to the NFL since November, so it throws their entire season(s) into question. It makes you wonder what other shaninagans they tried and got away with.

      It’s like getting busted for a DUI. They say you drive like 100 times drunk for every one DUI just that particular night you get caught.

      It threatens the integrity of the game. The whole appeal of the NFL is “parity”. That’s it’s heart. This undermines that uniqueness/marketability.

      Honestly, if I were the Commish, I would give the Pats an ultimatum.

      You either play with Brady or Billichick, but not with both in the SB.

      I would banish one from the SB and their facility TODAY, and if I find any connections down the line, they would both be banned from the HOF.

      I would also lottery their 1st draft pick to the Jets, Bills or Fins.

      Maybe that will send every team a message.

      • willbest

        I am with you that intent matters. I heard that the balls were checked at half time found deflated, filled, and then found deflated at the end of game on ESPN 1000. The expanding/contracting of gas as I mentioned yesterday would not account for this.

      • Irish Sweetness

        “They say you drive like 100 times drunk for every one DUI just that particular night you get caught.”

        I wonder how many times this dude was drink driving ….

        From today’s Irish Independent :

        “A man with nine convictions for hit-and-run incidents, 23 for drink driving, and has had 79 prison terms served upon him, has been given a 10 month suspended sentence and 10 year driving ban after he was found guilty of driving the wrong way on a motorway at 180km/h.”

  • willbest

    Whether or not it makes sense to keep Marshall depends on
    1) What you are getting for him
    2) Whether Wilson has developed into a legit #2
    3) Whether Bellamy is ready to become the speed guy in the slot he appears to be.

    We have more important issues to address in the draft than to go WR hunting, so unless by some miracle Cooper falls to 7, we should touch one of the few areas of our roster that isn’t broken.

    • wilson didn’t even show enough to make us think he’s a serviceable #3. i think legit #2 is still a ways off.

      • willbest

        He did okay with Clausen. I think that was more a comfort issue as he spent more time practicing with the backup QB.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Zach Miller. I’m a believer.

    • Scott W.

      Agreed. With all out glaring needs, the Marshall question isn’t really a question at all.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    ABSOLUTELY. He might have a “screw loose” but he’s still a damn good WR. Keep him and if he can stay healthy, he might just become the beast we need.

  • BerwynBomber

    Play the long game. If someone offers a decent draft pick for him (say, a 3rd rounder) and is willing to eat his contract, move him.

    • willbest

      His contract isn’t a bargain, but its not bad. Its basically a 3-yr 30 mil deal with 5 mil left in guarantee. Bears would eat ~4 mil salary cap hit if they traded due to accelerated bonus coming due.

      • BerwynBomber

        Thought I heard they save four million if they move him. Anyway, seems to be conflicting reports on the financial benefits/liabilities. But Stein and Pace will assuredly know.

        My mentality would be to convert as many of the big contracts into draft picks as well as get said contracts off the books. Hanging onto aging veteran contracts seems a fool’s errand unless you truly believe you can contend next year.

        But hey, maybe the Bears do. The Cheese, I’m thinking, will take a few years to get over their NFC title game meltdown (I see them closer to 9-7 next year than 12-4) and who knows what the Kittens will look like if they lose Suh.

        • willbest

          Sorry, I wasn’t clear. There is 4 million in dead money if they move him. They of course wouldn’t have to pay him his 2015 salary, so which would mean there would be roughly 5 million there to spend on something else (in addition to whatever draft picks they get).

          Of course, I don’t know what you are going to spend $5 million on that is better than Brandon Marshall.

          • BerwynBomber

            If it is a younger player whom you can count on contributing for a few years, yes he will be a better bargain than BMarsh.

  • John Doe

    Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 1h1 hour ago
    My man Eric Kay crunched numbers
    and spoke to a physicist – doesn’t sound like Mother Nature caused a pressure drop: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24982438/did-weather-play-a-role-in-patriots-colts-deflategate

    • Yeah, no “magic bullet” theory is going to fly for me.
      The problem? Kraft is Roger’s boss. How do you go about disciplining your boss?

      A lot of Pat’s fans are actually the most pissed-off about this whole scandal. Everyone keeps giving them shit about video-gate, and they’ve been defending the Pat’s honor all these years, and now this.

      They feel betrayed.

      • GPLDAN

        What advantage is it to Brady to have soft balls (besides the fact that Gisselle likes them that way)?

        Is Brady cursed with small hands? The kicker ball is separate so it’s not that.

        • willbest

          Its easier to grip when its wet.

          • GPLDAN

            So? It’s easier for Luck as well, so what advantage is that?

          • willbest

            Because Luck is using Indy’s balls, and Brady is using the Pat’s balls.

            Its a provide your own offenses ball situation where the refs inspect it beforehand

          • GPLDAN

            Is that the case? Was there a Pat bag of balls and a Colt bag? Or was there one bag?

          • willbest

            Each team’s balls are on their own sideline being watched by each team’s ball boy.

          • GPLDAN

            Ok this was misleading in some articles which made it seem as the refs had ONE bag of balls.

          • willbest

            Apparently they used to just use new balls, but Peyton Manning didn’t like that that. So each team submits balls their QB is going to use for inspection and then they are signed off on as being conforming.

          • BerwynBomber

            Bottom line — and I won’t forgive the Pats on this one — but the NFL needs to bring league balls to each game and have them distribute/use those during the game.

            Solves any future issues.

          • Scharfinator

            Agreed. Seems like a simple solution. Screw the baby QB’s wanting a specific feel.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I did not know that. Thought the NFL provided the balls.

          • John Doe

            Comparative Advantage.

        • John Doe

          Small hands could be a factor. Brady has admitted he likes deflated balls.

          Erin, on the other hand, has large paws and prefers over-inflated balls.

        • BerwynBomber

          Most QBs would prefer under-inflated balls. Only Rodgers, from what I’ve heard, prefers them over-inflated because his hands are abnormally large and he feels it gives him an advantage over other QBs.

        • This is a long thread about balls.

          • SC Dave

            Swingin’ low…

        • Irish Sweetness

          He would be accustomed to throwing them, whereas Russell wouldn’t. Wilson’s passes would be way off until he got used to the weight of the ball.

          If and only if both QBs would be using those balls. Don’t know how that works.

      • SC Dave

        Fuck them, the cunts. That organization has a decade-long history of cheating.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Asked readers of DBB if they want @BMarshall on Bears next year. A little more than 100 votes in, a little more than 90% say yes.”

    And I am sure if you queried Cubs fans about keeping or trading an aging Sosa or Wood back in the day, you would have gotten similar results.

    Bears fans should hope Pace cares little about public opinion or potentially short-term public relations hits when it comes to his decisions.

    • You would cut Bmarsh?

      • BerwynBomber

        Nope but I would try to move him. If someone offers a third rounder and is willing to eat his contract, sayonara.

        • Yes, a 3rd would be tempting at this point, but then we would have to look for another WR. Wilson didn’t wow me, and those other guys are really unknowns.

          • BerwynBomber

            But … if you feel this team is a couple years from contending … then at some point you will be looking for another receiver (to go with Alshon) anyway.

            But I will admit I am in the total rebuild camp, which is dwindling to almost no one since the Fox and Fangio hires. But I still think Bears (Pace) would be smart to convert as many as these aging veteran big contracts into draft picks. Unless, of course, the Bears can truly contend the next two years — and hey maybe they can.

          • Scott W.

            I think they will compete next year. I believe they could have contended THIS year, if they’d had a coach that realized practices were for the games to be played, not the entire focus.
            Looking back, with my 20-20 hindsight, it is absolutely appalling to me that Phil Emery hired Marc Trestman. Hell, I can’t believe he even interviewed him.
            What a waste.

          • Scharfinator

            Alshon is a solid starter. But I get your point, not much known outside of that.

          • SC Dave

            Not that you were one, but I guess all the ridiculous Wilson love has been dispelled by a slap of reality?

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s solid when he has a premier WR on the other side of the field…. he disappears when BM is not there.

          • Scharfinator

            Maybe. It’s hard to consider last season a solid sample for many players. It was such a mess.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And then our passing game goes in the shitter. We have a shitty WR roster if BM is not on it. Alshon disappears … puff! We have no OL to run the ball, we get the shit kicked out of us week in week out.

          Upside? Lots of high draft picks for years to come.

    • willbest

      Well in fairness it is a trick question, since the obvious answer is “it depends”

      Is Cooper available at 7? Do we have Jay Cutler? Is somebody offering a 3rd rounder for him or are we getting a 5th rounder? Is he going to lose his offseason to rehab?

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, can’t much disagree there.

      • Scott W.

        Fair points all, except I don’t think Cutler is necessary to the equation.

        • willbest

          I like Marshall a lot less if you don’t have Cutler around.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Cutler couldn’t get him the ball! Orton has the NFL record with Brandon!

    • Scott W.

      That. Your last sentence. I don’t imagine Fox would put up with that though.

  • GPLDAN

    Jefe –

    Please keep this poll data until this time next year. It’s trending 90-10 for keeping him.

    When he loses his mind in November, this will be good data to have.

    • Scott W.

      I don’t think there’s any more question about Brandon than other charismatic receivers. He’s actually very, very good. He had some injuries this year, so all we saw was “Inside the NFL” as far as Brandon really doing anything.

  • Scott W.

    This poll would have been more interesting if Marshall’s name was replaced with Forte’s. I think he’s the hotter topic. I would vote “Yes” to keeping Matt, so if you do put up that poll, go ahead and start it at 1 for.

    • CanadaBear

      Make that 2.

    • SC Dave

      Add however times I get vote… you know, in the good old Chicago tradition.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Get rid of what Matt …. for what pick? Everyone has their price. A second for Brandon. I’d think about it. a 4th? No way. A second for Matt ? Absolutely. A 4th/5th? No.

  • BearDown100393

    Marshall! Marshall! Marshall!
    (Get rid of him asap)

  • CanadaBear

    For all you guys wishing to trade away good players for picks, keep in mind we have no idea if Pace has a clue about drafting/roster building. If we trade away Forte, BMarsh, Cutler, etc. we’re going to be awful next year. With the worst coaching staff in the league last year, who knows how good or bad this team really is? Not to mention, Fox didn’t sign on to lead a major rebuild.

    Good luck selling a rebuild to the fans. Cubs fans are OK with it because, well, we’re Cubs fans and the Cubs usually suck. That and Theo has a history of being a very smart baseball man.

    • BearDown100393

      Reality is this team is going through a rebuild whether fans want it or not.

    • BerwynBomber

      Bears fans won’t abandon the Bears either. If you’re the Bulls or (especially) the White Sox, you have to worry about such things. Bears and especially Cubs have an unwavering fan base. Hawks do now too but it could change if they stink it up in a few years. (And remember, Kenny Williams still had the balls to let go of Ordonez and Lee back in the day and look how that worked out.)

      So long as fans know what the plan is, the majority of them will sit tight.

      Btw, your comment is EXACTLY why I said Pace should not be swayed by public opinion when making decisions. That is what the Cubs did, I’m sure, for years and they ended up with nothing for assets that they should have unloaded years in advance.

    • Johnnywad

      Your first paragraph…..that’s the $64,000 question. I don’t trade any of them. I keep them all and see what happens this year. Pace needs a draft to get his sea legs under him. I’d keep the offensive core intact just to see what an actual professional coach does with it, mix in some of last year’s young defenders plus this year’s draft as a baseline. Add bodies around that as needed and available for 2015. Then Pace/Fox start culling as needed. Lather, rinse, repeat for 2016. Turnarounds can sometimes happen quickly in the NFL. I hope this is one of those times.

      • SC Dave

        Nothing unreasonable there. I remain convinced, however, that Cutler is not the man. New staff will not change what I’ve thought since at latest 2010.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Sounds very much like the very definition of insanity, Johnny. Keep everything the same, and expect different results.

        Nobody can coach the defense we’ve had to greatness. The pieces just aren’t there methinks. Not one great LB, not one great pass-rusher, I only saw 4 impressive weeks from Fuller. We haven’t got the roster and we are the worst defense in the NFL right now. Coaching alone might raise that to #20.

        Only way to make that better is trade somebody valuable. That means Jake and Matty. Obviously we’re not trading either of the kyles.

    • SC Dave

      Usually?

    • Irish Sweetness

      C-Bear, we’re going to be awful next year anyway, but I hate the idea of losing Brandon. We can draft anyone to run the ball. We cannot just find a #1 WR, and any kid we draft will be a project. He is still a potent weapon and keeps defenses honest. With him on one side and Alshon on the other – we have weapons. No draft pick can replace what he provides us in the passing(or running) game.

      RBs should not be targeted as much as Cutty used Matt as his outlet – it tips your hand.
      We can replace MAtt, we cannot replace BM.

  • John Doe

    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 5m5 minutes ago
    The #Bears are hiring Adam Gase as their offensive coordinator, source said. It’s a 3-year deal.

  • EnderWiggin

    New thread. Wake up.

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