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Brandon Marshall Traded to Jets

| March 6th, 2015

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This move has nothing to do with football or money. The new Bears leadership doesn’t want Brandon Marshall in their locker room in 2015.  This is a personality purge – the type Emery and Trestman should have executed on the defensive Lovie Loyalists a few years back. Does it mean anything for Jay Cutler’s future? Who knows? Does it make the Bears a better team? Who knows? The Bears lost one hell of a productive wide receiver, sure. But where did that production get them exactly? And was his behavior – the details of which we still don’t know – worth the production? Clearly Ryan Pace and John Fox did not believe so.

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  • Sactowns#1

    First to say I hope we got more than a 5th for him.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 15m15 minutes ago
    This is a long process & can’t judge off of 1 move. This is a rebuild, said it yesterday. Cutler & Forte aren’t safe either. #Bears

    • Irish Sweetness

      Why did Jeff ‘mute’ you Aaron Leming ?

  • Big Mike

    From a talent perspective it is a terrible, terrible trade. The Jets fleeced us. It’s a statement move. The statement is, we are starting over. We aren’t close. Let’s get our guys in here. Here are the Bears 5th round draft picks. Going back to 2005
    Airess Currie
    Mark Anderson
    Kevin Payne
    Zackary Bowman
    Marcus Freeman
    Nathan Enderle
    Evan Rodriguex (4th)
    Jordan Mills (5th)
    2014 didn’t have one

    • Big Mike

      My point is that our 5th round picks are shit. Maybe this crew will do better. Hope so. But this was about getting rid of the old culture. Nothing safe. could be a 6-10 years. Never thought I’d say this, but that would be ok in my books if they burn it down.

      • Scharfinator

        I think we got your point 🙂 – I’d say 2… maybe 3 of them were worth their salt. (on the fence about Bowman, but Anderson and Mills were serviceable 5ths)

        • Big Mike

          For a pro-bowl quality #1, Clearly not about talent. Not even about $. Simply a statement move. Getting younger, quieter, team first, don’t need 2 of the same receivers. Gonna need to pay Alshon. Need a speed guy and a #3 to go with Alshon and Bennett. Hard to judge this move on it’s own, other than to say, it wasn’t about talent. Bears got worse, but added flexibility and shed some light on their path forward. 2015 is going to be painful.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll pull up a stool beside you on this one Mike. Nothing good happened today, except in New Jersey.

            Anyone who thinks we’re not in rebuild at this point needs to leave the bar.

          • Big Mike

            I’m ok with a rebuild. I’ve spent my career as an entrepreneur. I’ve built and sold a few companies, I’ve advised a couple dozen companies through the process of going from $500k to $5mm in revenue. One of the most important lessons I’ve learned doing this, is to “fail faster”. That’s what this crew needs to do. Not saying it’s an all out “Suck for Luck” style campaign, but get the pieces you want, put them on the field and coach the hell out of them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            True what they say Mike? “takes money to make money”?
            Ever see it happen the other way ’round?

          • Big Mike

            The lesson is don’t be afraid of mistakes and don’t drag it out. Be decisive. sometimes 3 quickly executed left turns, are better than one right turn that takes forever to decide to make and is executed slowly.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sounds a lot like Holdem. Know when to get out.

  • John Doe

    Brandon Marshall was brought to Chicago for Cutler. I doubt Phil Emery would have traded for him if Cutler were not Bears QB.

    Phil Emery’s first major player move as GM – trade for Brandon Marshall
    Ryan Pace’s first major player move as GM – trade away Brandon Marshall

    • BerwynBomber

      Kudos, JD. You were on the BMarsh stuff from the get-go.

      Tremendous receiver — best in Bears history. Weirdly enough, I’ll always remember that 360 he executed on that corner TD fade in what turned out to be the infamous Rodgers-to-Cobb game. But never cared for his act or personality.

      • John Doe

        Danke Schoen.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Bay-bee dan-ka SHANE ….

          (cue Matthew Broderick looking like a dick miming to Wayne Newton)

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Fantastic move by Phil Emery.

      45 games played, 280 rec, 3.500 yards, 31 TD, 1 Fumble/1 Fumble lost, elite run blocking.

  • BerwynBomber

    I guess Dan Bernstein’s reporting was accurate after all.

    • yes and no. He changed his tune.
      First reported before Pace and Fox hirings that Marshall was done as a Bear and it had already been decided.
      Now saying top brass wanted him gone, but left it up to Pace and Fox.

      • BerwynBomber

        So how would that be inaccurate?

        • because his first report stated the decision had already been made, when that was not the case. He overstated his case, then backed down later.

          • John Doe

            Same difference.

            McCaskey would never want his name directly tied to a player getting traded or cut. That is what GM and Head Coach are there for..even if they are doing their boss’s bidding.

            Bernstein was 100% accurate. And he didn’t change his tune. Just was more politically correct later on.

          • very real difference. Subtle but important shift that many won’t notice or realize.
            My initial complaint about those rumors was that the decision had not already been made. Bernstein later changed his story to say the same thing.
            He was not first to say Marshall should be traded. That was Hub. But Hub said SHOULD, not WILL, which is the important part. He didn’t state facts that didn’t exist. Bernstein did.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Are we handing out medals to people who thought Marshall should be traded? We’re celebrating giving away our best player?

          • Big Mike

            Irish, we just have to move forward. $7million plus in cap space and maybe the new crew can draft a guy in the 5th round that makes the team. Good luck to Brandon Marshall. I really liked him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yep, I’m over it already – the tone has been set. All that remains is to see how badly we got hosed. A third would be nice but I don’t see it. He was my favorite Bear, a thoughtful intelligent dude doing the best with what God gave him.

            Surely Jay has to go now too, then we can be at peace.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t think this means “jay has to go” . Doesn’t mean he won’t. But he could be a part of the plans still. Does tilt the odds that he is gone. I think the start date of camp, might be more of a tell. If you are trying to get to work with your QB as a new head coach, you jump the gun and get working. You set an early OTA date. Bears have set a late OTA date. Looks to me like they are saying that they don’t want to have to repeat themselves with their class of free agents and draft picks.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I was just thinking … if they go with Cutty, then the plan might be to bench him for Clausen if he gets up to his old tricks. – Fox will have the balls to bench him. Then if he gets pissy about being benched, they can shop him to a desperate team early in the season. QBs go down. We’d get a king’s ransom for him at that point.

            Or maybe he plays fine with a running game and a solid defense.

          • Big Mike

            It’s a scenario I’ve thought about. It’s actually the one I’d like to see.

          • I’m not commenting on the quality of the move at all.

            I’m commenting on the “he had it first” idea. Bernstein was first to say Marshall would be traded, but not should, it’s just that Bernstein was in fact wrong when he first stated that Marshall would be traded, which is why he changed his story a few weeks later.

          • John Doe

            I want players that buy into the program set by Fox and Pace. If the buying into the program means no tv show, then no tv show regardless of how good the player is.

          • SC Dave

            Matt Forte is our best player.

          • BerwynBomber

            Forte is our best player. After that Long. BMarsh was third or fourth by season’s end.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think last season was an anomaly for Marshall – he was hurt, and I think Cutty was giving him the cold shoulder. Disagree about Matt though, he does the receiving part of his job well. He;s not a good blocker and his running between the tackles is meh.

          • BerwynBomber

            He was about five states closer to the truth than Blogfather; that was my main point, and as far as I know Bernstein never wavered from his thought that BMarsh would be gone.

    • FourFeathers

      Bernstein is a vindicative jerk, but his reporting is usually always accurate. I like Hub Arkush, and he has been consistently on the money as well. The problem with Hub is that a lot of fans can’t stomach him telling the unvarnished truth when it comes to the Bears.

      • BerwynBomber

        Hub has never bothered me but he is smug. Right on about Bernstein. Total jerk but his shit is usually well-sourced.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hub was right on the money reporting his inside sources and scooping the Cowher hire …. oh wait ….

        P.S. It matters not a fuck who broke the story, only that our hearts are broken this day.

  • John Doe

    Well said..

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog

    If I am one of the 456 outlets in Chicago covering the Bears every minute of every day, I’m pursuing @AaronLemingNFL.

  • BearDown100393

    Just patiently waiting for Jake ‘ heartfelt message….

  • FourFeathers

    The absolute right move…and now lets get Cutler out of here next. The next season or two are going to be LEAN in terms of wins. But I have faith in Pace and Fox to build the foundation the right way and get this ship turned into the wind and headed in the right direction. Patience Grasshopper.

    • Irish Sweetness

      What is the sound of one receiver clapping, master?

      • Big Mike

        They aren’t done. Let’s see what they do. Gives them some cap room to either go get a WR, or more likely fill a need on defense in Free Agency and draft a WR.

        • Irish Sweetness

          A trade down from 7, they grab a pass-rusher and a WR. How ’bout them apples ?

          Oh please Tennessee, please … pull that trigger.

          • Sactowns#1

            This is what I’ve been hoping for. That or trade Jay and a 5th round for someone’s 1st.

          • FourFeathers

            That won’t happen. The rumored Tennessee deal would be Cutler and our 2nd and 3rd round pick for Tennesee’s 2nd and 3rd round picks, which are 5 spots higher than Chicago in each of those two rounds.

          • Sactowns#1

            Sold!

          • Irish Sweetness

            So we lose a QB and get no extra picks. That’s called rape where I’m
            from. A fair deal is they get Cutty and we get their 2nd and 3rd.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They’re essentially getting Cutler for free at that point. They’re not really giving anything up. Value be damned, they could end up with two better players than whoever we pick. They’ve got to give up something. At least a 4th in that scenario. Swap picks and give us their fourth, still a terrible deal IMO. Not for a starting QB.

            Or give us Kendall Wright or Justin Hunter and swap picks.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t mind Cutler. I would mind trading out of the 7th spot for anything less than 1s and 2s, this year and next or something close to that.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Fucking Raiders have a brighter future… but lets have faith. Praise the Lord.

  • Scharfinator

    Now they need to trade Forte to a contender. He deserves a ring and his career won’t last the rebuild.

    • BerwynBomber

      I bet the Pats would love to have him as a one year rental. He checks off all their boxes for what they look for in an RB.

      • John Doe

        too much money.

      • $$. They need it for defense. Don’t have it to pay him.

    • FourFeathers

      Forte makes way too much money for any team to trade for him…even a lower round pick. Forte may end up getting cut given how teams in the NFL “value” running backs.

      • BerwynBomber

        Could be. I would imagine Indy would love to have him given their depth chart.

      • Big Mike

        Forte’s not getting cut. He’s a model citizen, fits in well with any offensive scheme. His versatility and durability are exceptional. No reason to get rid of him, except $ and the bears aren’t in bad shape.

        • yep. I’ve heard from people I trust that they’re shopping him, but cutting would make no sense, and I doubt they find anybody willing to trade anything meaningful for him.

          • Big Mike

            The only strategy that is even plausible is that they have a huge set of FA targets and need every dollar of cap space and are happy to go with a “whatever” kind of RB, or a draft choice.

          • With a loaded RB draft, I’d be thrilled to trade forte for a 3rd or 4th round pick. Use that pick on his replacement, have a cheap young RB duo for the next 3 years.

            But nobody is giving that up for Forte.

          • Big Mike

            Or cut him, draft the 3rd round back and use the $9.2 million in cap space to fill other needs. Pick up some younger free agents, guys hitting their 2nd contract (cost more than the 1 year rentals, and end of career guys we’ve been getting)

            In that case you are “trading” Forte for a RB in the draft and whoever you add in FA. Could be 1 top 5-10 FA or a 2 2nd tier guys. None of whom should be over 26-27 years old. IE in the sweet spot of their career.

          • I’d be opposed to that, I think. Use that 3rd elsewhere this year, have the $$ freed up next year. They have enough $$ for now, don’t want them overspending.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t disagree. I was just putting that out there as a scenario that could at least be justified to some degree.

          • If we could get a 3rd/4rth, I would too.But yup, ain’t happening. C
            Can’t think of a worse offseason to trade a WR/HB. Arguable two deepest positions in draft.

            Just the Bears luck (and no safeties. Great)

    • yes, but he’d have to restructure.
      he’d probably do well on the Colts.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        The Colts have the cap room to take on his entire salary without a restructure and it would serve them well not to do one, they need to save plenty of future room for Luck’s 8 year/$200MM extension.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Brady would OWN with a back like Forte. They’d have a short yardage banger, and the primo dump-off guy, plus Gronk, Edelman …. ouch.

    • SC Dave

      Giving Matt a chance to play for a winner is the only acceptable reason for doing so. You don’t get rid of the best player on your team, unless he’s a discipline or public relations disaster. Matt Forte is neither.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Great flick by the way. Terrible sequel.

    Sad day and woe is me. Curious that our best linebacker in 30 years, and our greatest ever receiver both left Chicago with a boot firmly put between the cheeks of their arses, and seemingly to jeers and whistles.

    Bright side? We have a top five pick next year.

    The New Jersey Jets have just committed daylight robbery and I hope they deal for Jay so that they have somebody who can throw the ball to a very talented corps – the best in football now?

    Fare thee well Brandon, the Bears were never meant for one as beautiful as you.

    • I wouldn’t be surprised to see Marshall continue to have off-field struggles in NY. He needed to go to a better situation than that to thrive mentally.

      • Big Mike

        Not a great situation for him. I don’t like the move. I understand it. I see the message it sends, his personality in the locker room must have caused more problems than we knew about. The handful of outbursts that were public, were understandable and in some cases I was agreed. I genuinely liked the public persona of Brandon Marshall. He was articulate, passionate and dedicated. But ok, move on.

        • I’m sad we won’t get to see him in a great situation now, maybe ever given how up there in age he’s getting.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Can I say it now? His wife is fine. Smash ‘er back doors in. Ruin it.

          • Big Mike

            what?

          • Johnnywad

            I think he wants to have anal sex with Brandon Marshall’s wife.

          • Irish Sweetness

            British vernacular for doggy style Johnny – nobody mentioned the old rusty bullet hole. NTTAWWT

      • BerwynBomber

        Shouldn’t be much of a worse situation than here. Plus, he will be very close to the studio where he does his TV show.

        • no, better than here in 2014. But 2014 was when he didn’t thrive mentally.

    • FourFeathers

      Football players have expiration dates. That and the NFL is, first and foremost, a multi-billion dollar BUSINESS. Urlacher dug his own grave in terms of his ugly ending with the Bears. Marshall? Well, he became a toxin. And lets face it, this now makes 3 teams in Denver, Miami and Chicago who decided the negatives outweighed the positives. Revealing that Marshall has never once played in a playoff game too. I’m mostly excited today because Pace has me pumped up that there won’t be any putting lipstick on a pig…rather, we are going into full scale (and probably painful) REBUILDING mode. Bring it on.

      • “Revealing that Marshall has never once played in a playoff game too”

        That is the dumbest football argument against a player there is. Somewhat applicable for a QB. Not really for anybody else.

        Marshall has twice been a key part of great offenses that were paired with the worst defense in the NFL. He was also the best player on a team that went 10-6, which typically gets you in the playoffs.

        His career win % is much higher than Calvin Johnson’s, which illustrates just why you shouldn’t use that as a measuring stick of a WR in a team game.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Agreed. He basically caches 100 balls a year is what he does, He opens up your run game, shields the ball well, makes insane grabs. He’s a stud with a side of cray cray is what he is. Genius and insanity. Fine lines. Surprised he didn’t end up a Raider.

          • Big Mike

            AND, he blocks like a really fast FB

          • Johnnywad

            Only 7 inches taller

      • BerwynBomber

        I will defend Lach in the sense that PE or Trestman may have felt that threatened by his leadership, whereas with BMarsh, Pace and Fox just didn’t want the clown show.
        The only defense I will provide PE and Trestman is that Lach proved to be done physically.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Whoa nelly. His first move was getting rid of our best player. I’m watching this fucker like a hawk.

        • SC Dave

          Matt Forte is still on the team, so his first move is not getting rid of our best player.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I still contend that Forte is basically a receiver, who runs like everyone else in the league, but not so well through the middle. Brandon is a better receiver and blocker. Where defenses ha to watch Brandon last season, Matt had little trouble braking the record for receptions by a HB. This season Matt disappears underneath 8-man fronts.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        A ton of players in the NFL have never sniffed the playoff air….so what does that have to do with deciding whether a player is good or not?

        • Irish Sweetness

          It doesn’t. Laying the playoffs at the feet of a skills player … on a fifty player roster?

    • BearDown100393

      I do not know this to be fact or not. Laurence Holmes last night broke down Cutler’s statistics as a Bear with and without Marshall. It seemed the numbers were better without Marshall while Martz was OC. I understand a lot of other variables have to be considered into the equation. But it does suggest that it is a theory rather than a fact that Cutler performs better with big name big body (slow?) wide receivers.

      • BerwynBomber

        Cutler performs best where he is restricted from audibling and/or having to read defenses at the line of scrimmage. That was why he looked best under Martz and Shanny.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I beg to differ, Ber. He performs best when wrangling huge bags of cash from unsuspecting incompetents whilst looking bored, smug and care-free.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Emery couldn’t do it. He had to build an NFL type offense. Starting with Marshall.

    The NFL isn’t a personality contest.

    The thing I find funny is that even the incredibly criticized Josh McDaniels gave a much worse version of Brandon Marshall 1 year of ‘trail period’.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Well I would have liked to see BM play for the new coach just to see if he could have worked or not. Oh well. Hopefully it works out in our favor.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Tomorrow… the next Jeff article.

    Matt Forte Cut

    This move has nothing to do with football or personality………………….

  • The pick they get for Marshall is one pick ahead of the one they gave up in the Brock Vereen trade last year. So the Bears basically traded Marshall and their 2014 5th round pick for Brock Vereen and Charles Leno.

    I know, I know, this wasn’t made for football reasons. Just saying, on the surface that’s hard to stomach.

    This just shows how far the Bears are from being a top team. You need years of a good front office being able to make intelligent decisions on players, and move on when the time is right (aka maximum value in trade or let contract expire at right point). They just sold low on Brandon Marshall. I know they didn’t really have a choice, and it’s not really Pace’s fault.

    • Big Mike

      You can’t leave out what the Bears can do with $7.2 million in salary cap. That has to be a part of the equation.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        “You can’t leave out what the Bears can do with $7.2 million in salary cap”

        Not really. Unless you’re thinking about savings from a ‘firing Trestman-hiring Fox costs money’ point of view.

        • Big Mike

          $3,950,000 of cap space gained from trading Marshall. That gets you something pretty decent. Or goes on top of the stack to get something at the top of the list. In any case, it has to be part of the equation.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            when you have 40+ M… it’s pretty useless, in the sense that it doesn’t make or break you.

          • Big Mike

            No, you can rebuild your defensive core with young guys instead of “rentals” or guys at the end of their career. Get 3-4 guys coming out of their rookie contract who have proven themselves and still have more of their career ahead of them instead of behind them. If you don’t like that, you can front load contracts for guys you want to sign and effectively “carry over” the cap savings.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Man…this ain’t Jaksonville.

            You can’t carry cap space like that. This is the Chicago Bears.

            That was a rant.

            Seriously… carry over cap for what… you’ll soon be having a rookie QB and you don’t have to carry anything and still have tons of cap space (who’s increasing by 10 mil a pop every year).

            It’s old debate… do we spend after we find our Qb or do we build a great team and help the new Qb from the get go.

            the Raiders, the Jaguard and the Titans did it the first way. The Jets did is also…but they canned the GM in a heartbeat.

            I think the Bears ‘arena’ is much more similar to the Jets one.

          • Big Mike

            Build team, get QB. QB draft this year is two deep. Cutler’s trade value goes up next year. (contract is club friendly, not likely he sucks as much next year). My only point is with more FA market you can younger guys, coming out of their rookie contract instead of rentals and last contract type guys. By solving needs in FA you can draft BPA, vs need. Get younger, get better etc. In my opinion QB isn’t the issue this year for a rebuilding team. I believe that is next year.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I agree.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This. If we’re re-building then let it be with youngsters. No more retirement fund benefits.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        its $3.95M in cap, they had dead money from his signing bonus.

        • Big Mike

          Sports Track shows his cap hit as 7.7 million http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/brandon-marshall/
          I could be reading this wrong or leaving something out. My point is you have to add back what we get with the extra cap $

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            That’s the Jets cap hit for him because when he got traded they didn’t have to account for his signing bonus. Last year he signed a 3 year extension that gave him a $7.5M signing bonus. Bears were allowed to spread the signing bonus over 4 years; 2014 and the 3 extension years for an annual amortization of $1,875,000. Once he was traded though, the portion of the signing bonus that had not been amortized (3/4 or .75 or 75%) immediately hits the bears cap as dead money. That number is $5,625,000. He was set to count against our cap at $9,575,000, but now he is only counting against our cap in the amount of his dead money ($5,625,000) the difference between those two numbers is 3,950,000. That is the savings.

            Here is the updated Bears spotrac page, scroll to the bottom and check out the 2015 Dead Cap section.

            http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/cap/

          • Big Mike

            I get it. Thanks for the link. $4 million is still a pretty good FA and needs to get factored into the algebra, wouldn’t you agree?

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Oh yeah, I was purely looking at it from a numbers standpoint.

        • Well, that nearly covers our draft picks, at least.

      • BerwynBomber

        Exactly. Part of the trade is salary shedding; the other (and larger part) was change of culture. I’m sure Pace got all he could for him.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      This was my battle the whole January. Very little of the Bears disaster was Emery’s fault. He got got fast, though.

      What’s the standard ? How do we judge these guys ?

      • you need somebody to survive the turmoil that comes with the changeover so they can set up their vision and then be around to run it. That’s when you really find your success.

        Took Ted Thompson almost 5 years (finally got Favre out, installed his guy, switched to 3-4 D). Took Seattle 3 (D took off that year, and they lucked on Wilson at same time). Took Belichick 2 (FA moves led to stud D right as Brady emerged).

        Emery was just getting the team how he wanted it. Personnel wise, it was ok, but he whiffed too much on defense. He also whiffed on the coaching. The combo led to him getting fired.

        Now we go through that process all over again.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Oh… I agree.

          but what’s the standard ? Is it the Record ?

          • record is important, general trend of team probably too. That one really didn’t work in Emery’s favor.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Shit man. We’re the new Jaguars.

          • if Pace can’t draft well, they’re headed that way. They’re gonna dump all their veteran talent in the next 2 years like Oakland’s GM did.

            He had a couple bad drafts that have really hurt them. Pace can’t afford that.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That was Emery’s plan as well. Dump all the veterans in the next 2 years.

            He just would have started next year.

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        Very little of the Bears disaster was Emery’s fault.

        Except the whole hiring Trestman and approving Kromer’s hire and giving Jake a massive contract nobody felt was warranted when the tag was sitting right there.

        Outside of that, very little.

        Fuck.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          My point was different. So if Pace hires a great coach, doesn’t overpay for a QB, hires assistants that don’t leak, but doesn’t win a playoff game in 3 years…is he gone ? Do we send his ass packing ? How do we judge these guys ? Is it the record ?

          PS: Giving Cutler a massive contract isn’t all that important. If they cut his ass today the Bears still have 40+ M in cap space and much more next year.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Pretty much dumbfounded at this move and the fact that Kromer successfully predicted this with his twitter marathon post extravaganza.
    Idiocy.

    • EnderWiggin

      Me too. I guess we just need one #1 receiver, and Alshon is cheaper.

    • Kromer?

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        John Doe.

  • FourFeathers

    Now all eyes point to Jay Cutler. Please for the love of God let him also be an ex-Bear by Tuesday. If we are going to rebuild (and we NEED to) then lets not mess around any longer with the enigmatic and moody 32 year old Jay Cutler who ain’t never going to change. I can stomach Jimmy Pickle at QB for a year while Pace / Fox / Gase identify a viable long-term option at the most important position on the football field.

    • EnderWiggin

      Whatchou talkin’ bout?
      It was Jay’s idea to get rid of B.Marsh. All it took was one phone call.

  • John Doe

    Jim Miller hoping for Cutler trade too…

    james miller @15miller · 4h4 hours ago
    1 down, 1 to go, #Bears off to a great winning start in Free Agency!

    • BerwynBomber

      That will be the tricky one. BMarsh was always more plausible.

      • John Doe

        Titans to the rescue…

        • BerwynBomber

          Would be ironic if that happens: BMarsh shipped to city where he does his TV show; Jay ending up where he lives off-season.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            Everybody is happy.

      • trickier because it’s not a fire sale must go. Much more valuable piece, and they need to get value from it one way or another.

        • John Doe

          It is a fire sale. Everything must go (except Kyle, Kyle, Alshon).

          And a great opportunity for Titans. They won’t be able to buy any lower.

          People are underestimating the chances of this trade.

          • Bears decided they had to dump Marshall. From what I see from people in the know, they’re willing to trade Cutler, but aren’t committed to the point they’ll give him away or cut him if they can’t trade him like they were with Marshall.

          • BerwynBomber

            Sounds about right but your idea of what constitutes “giving him away” might be different from yours.

            There has also been some noise that Pace is way interested in Mariota, though some have speculated it could be a pre-draft smoke screen.

          • trading him for the right to move up 5 picks in both the 2nd and 3rd rounds, as some have suggested, is giving him away.

            I will be upset if Pace gets less than a 2nd, because that would even be underselling based on the established QB market. If he gets less than a 3rd, he should be fired on the spot IMO.

          • John Doe

            It is not giving him away. When the buyer’s remorse comments came out, NFL and ESPN had asked former GMs about Cutler’s trade value. Many said that Bears cannot get anything more than a 3rd rounder.

            If you look at the rumored Titans trade..

            Bears moving from #39 to #34 will require a 4th rounder.

            Bears moving from #71 to #66 will require a 5th rounder.

            Plus, another 5th rounder is proposed in the trade.

            A 4th + 2 5th roughly equals a 3rd rounder.. exactly what former GMs had predicted during ‘buyers remorse’ days.

          • there were also NFL people who suggested Bears would have to give a pick up to get rid of Cutler. People are dumb.

            Giving him up for that trade would be a firable offense.

          • John Doe

            And you thought Emery should be retained.

          • actually, no. I said I would be fine either way with Emery, as long as he wasn’t given free reign to pick his own coach next time.

          • Irish Sweetness

            … which is being royally scewed any way you want to dice it. Jay is a starting-caliber NFL QB … just not one that we want. Even a second rounder is bad value for us. Third round, and I want Pace’s head on a platter.

          • Big Mike

            Bears need to keep cutler, rehabilitate his stats and trade him next year. He can’t possibly suck as much next year as he did last year.

          • SC Dave

            My big fear is that your last sentence is not true.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Similar to the point I made above. The waters may not be right to move Cutty for a good pick, so we wait. See what he’s like with a running game and good defense around him, take the pressure off him.

            Scenario 1 : He plays okay. We trade him season’s end anyway. Liquidate the asset.

            Scenario 2 : He starts shitting the bed again and shrugs his shoulders. Fox benches him. He bitches. He gets traded in-season to some team that’s just lost their starter, have a shot at the playoffs and are desperate. Instant first rounder and maybe more.

            Caveat: I’ve been waiting for Roberto Garza’s upper body to just fall to the ground when his knees disappear in a puff of smoke. Brandon’s gone which mean our WR corps sucks once more … now one hopes that Pace will rectify this, but Jay could be in for another rough year.

          • Big Mike

            Both scenarios work out better than trading him now. I thing the lines going to be fine. They’ll add some depth. Hopefully avoid the walking wounded bug. Garza’s got to be close to done.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Jim Miller is clueless.

  • I think a lot f GMs are drunk thinking every draft will have immediate impact rook WRs. It used to be the norm that it took 2 years for WRs to really become good. last year was a bit of an anomoly with Benjamin (who still has too many drops) ODB, and a few others.
    I’m a little suspicious that WR rooks can make the same impact, though who knows? Maybe college WRs are coming into the NFL more ready than in the past (which is somewhat ironic given that college QBs are entering the NFL less prepared cuz of the spread-read-option).

    • BerwynBomber

      I doubt Pace or Fox are thinking a rookie WR will immediately fill BM’s shoes. This was more about the locker room, distractions and a change of culture. Or so I suspect.

      • Oh, yes, I know that about our particular situation, but the WR FA market in general will be a buyer’s market because of the impact of last year’s rookie WR class.
        GMs around the league are just thinking, “Why splurge on vet FAs, even if they’re PBs, when we can just draft an ODB…” As if ODBs just grow on trees.

        Historically, WRs have busted at a high rate (look no further than the Lions).

        In the past, even like 2 years ago, I def believe Marshall would have got at least a 3rd.

        Other FA WRs are in for a rude awakening too.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Nothing would be expected of a WR if we drafted one high, three years later, different story.

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    Dan Bernstein gets it right because his “source” is George.

    He’s long been known in Chicago circles as their “friend” in the media.

    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/x2Ii4BLiR28/maxresdefault.jpg

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    Cutler and we switch the 2nd and 3rd rounds with the Titans, then we go sign Locker, their old QB – woth cap relief money? Is there cap relief money or are we paying his salary while he plays for the Titans?

    • John Doe

      If the Titans get him, then they pay the salary.

      Bears will get $12.5 million in cap space relief and will carry $4 million dead money cap charge in 2015.

      If they are able to trade him away, Bears will have $45 million in cap space.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Closer to $40M if you count the draft class.

        • John Doe

          It will be a lot…but I still don’t want them to go after Suh or other big names. That is exactly what gotten Bears in trouble.. Peppers, Allen, Cutler contracts.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            So essentially Johnny Dough is saying the worst mistake the Bears ever made was firing Vanisi. Ditka thought so too.

            We’re back to building teams with mid-level vets and the draft.

            What goes around comes around.

            Cutler started as a desperate bid by Glitchy to save his ass. When it bought him some time, he doubled down and did it again with Peppers. But it all crashed down and now we go back to being a draft-building team focused on youth.

            It’s a merry go round of stupidity.

          • John Doe

            Exactly. Sign tier 2/tier 3 level guys in free agency with no big numbers.

            Carry the cap space over, give contracts to your home grown players.

          • willbest

            What home grown players? You giving Jeffery $30 mil up front? You can’t even negotiate with Long until 2016, and why would you since you have him under contract until 2018 with a ridiculously cheap 5th year option.

          • “We’re back to building teams with mid-level vets and the draft.”

            Maybe. Hopefully. If they go after Suh, that ain’t mid-level. Or what if they target that Pat’s Safety, that would be high end snuff.

            The bears can clear roughly $17M if they trade Cutty (coupled with the Bmarsh trade).

            They’ll end up dumping some other dead weight too.
            I’m pretty sure they can carry over the cap to next season if they’re frugal this offseason. (For all we know, they become puritanical and go the Packer route of practically neglecting FA)

            But I will be curious how they operate in FA.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      By trading Cutler, Bears will realize $12.5M in cap savings.

    • Big Mike

      You think Cutler sucks? Locker is Cutler without the arm.

      • John Doe

        But very cheap compared to Cutler. and not a bum like cutler.

        • Big Mike

          Don’t even need Locker. If we’re simply going tits up next year roll Jimmy Clausen out there and go 4-12. Caleb Hanie’s not doing anything.

          Maximum Value for Cutler is for him to play for the Bears next season and trade him next year, when his contract is actually club favorable. His stats can’t be worse next year, QBs are always needed, the Bears than have another offseason to fix things. Dumping Cutler because he didn’t live up to expectations and has a frowny face is wrong.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Ryan Fitzparick could win games for us, but he’d cost us a pick. We’re getting one for Brandon.

      • Actually, Locker has an arm. He’s just made out of china.

        • Big Mike

          That’s right. I knew it was something. Thanks.

          • In some ways, Locker reminds me of a more athletic Fat Lesbo at this stage in his career.
            Stafford no longer has that “fragile” tag (if anything, Cutler and Rodgers have been more inj since).
            That’s why I wouldn’t mind at least kicking the tires on Locker (and still drafting a QB)

          • Big Mike

            Cutler traded to TN, what do you think we get back?

          • They have all the leverage. That’s the problem.
            Not only do they have Mettenberg stashed in their back pocket, but the #2 overall pick.

            I’ll be very surprised if we even get a 3rd + some draft swapping.

          • Big Mike

            + the difference in cap hit. Wouldn’t do it. My opinion has been that next year is the year to trade Cutler. Statistically and from an opinion standpoint it is not likely he sucks as bad as he did last year. His contract will actually be favorable to a club in 2016.

          • willbest

            The Cap gains at this point are overrated unless you plan on winning the Suh Sweepstakes, there aren’t enough quality players to spend it on. And for the laughable notion of saving it to pay home grown talent. Outside of Jeffery there isn’t anybody to pay until 2017.

          • There’s plenty of FAs besides Suh to spend $$$ on.

            Just check out my list of FAs (above/below).

          • Irish Sweetness

            We need about three or four LBs, so there’s that …

          • I agree actually. We should be able to get at least a 2nd for Cutler who is better than most QB FAs on any given off-season.

            But maybe the league has truly sniffed out Jake. It happens like with McNabb.

            The Bills hired Kromer knowing full well Cutler was never going to be an option. So they wanted no part in him.

            The BROWNS preferred McCown.

            Ten would rather roll with a a 6th round sophomore.

            Jets aren’t interested.

            Cards and Birds rather roll with china dolls.

            And I agree – Cutty’s contract is not THAT repugnant to turn off that many teams.

            The stink might be emanating from Cutler himself, in which case, next year the Cutty market will be no better, even if he does improve on his stats. The NFL might have simply moved on from the Cutty Reclamation Project, and we’re stuck with the bill.

          • Big Mike

            The stink might be Cutler. It might be all the negative press he generates, it might also be that he led the league in turnovers last year. A 25 TD, 13 INT, 3,500 yd year would fix most of that. Get him a year removed from the “Lord of the Flies” year that was last year, with a real HC his value might go up. His contract being easier to take next year helps even if he sucks ass again. Even if we can only get the same thing next year, the QB situation in FA and the draft could be better.

          • AlbertInTucson

            If Cutler AND Clause had both gone down the Bears COULD have become….wair=t for it…..”LORD OF THE FALES”.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll take the over on the 13 INTs, and I’l double that with McGregor taking Aldo’s head off in the UFC.

            Oh for a million squids on that ….

          • Big Mike

            It’s possible for Cutler. But not probable. I have no idea what UFC is.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Trust me, somebody’s QB goes down in week two next season with a broken arm or leg … and they’ll come knockin’ with next year’s draft in their pocket.

          • I agree, but it’ll have to happen before the trade deadline, so we only have like, what, an 8 week window for that scenario?
            (unless they go down in pre-season)

          • Irish Sweetness

            Leonard Williams I hope. We should have offered them the Cutty/BM twofer.

    • I just noticed your new handle.
      What other tracks does Mink Lloyd lay down? “Shine on you blood diamonds…”

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        Just you and me Butch and we’ll get two other DBB’er to play keyboard and drums.

        We’ll do seedy lounges AND 3rd tier corporate events. Mink Lloyd, a Floyd cover band for the rest of us.

        As some 3rd rate CEO of a spoon washing company gives his rah-rah speech to the pawns just before the softball outing, we’ll kick into the riff from Money…

        • This feels like a Bill Murray script.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            A buddy movie where a young Bill Murray and Harold Ramis start a seedy Floyd cover band and play cheesy corporate events in Wisconsin is like my fantasy cinema. The b-side to the Blues Brothers, a film that SHOULD exist but doesn’t.

          • haha, that would be many levels of awesomeness.
            If you want to make it really weird, have the Cohen brothers and David Lynch co-direct it.

            Heck, I’m writing this script, and sliding it under restroom hollywood delis.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            I should also like to say that DSOM, when set as the sound track to the Wizard of Oz, is mind bending.

          • Johnnywad

            Just watched “St. Vincent” last week. Perfect character for Bill Murray.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Good movie.

            How’s that book coming long?

          • Johnnywad

            I’m enjoying it Irish. I only read a few pages a day so it will take me a while. He’s got some groundwork laid out for me so far and I’m thinking we’re about to get to the meat of it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Good. Ha. Wait til you get through the second book. Mind-blower.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Got any good acid? Let’s pop some pills and set controls for the heart of the sun.

          “Facebook Alameda … CAN YOU HEARR MEEEE ?”

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    I wonder what happens if Marshall fails his physical.

    • BearDown100393

      The deal falls apart and everyone involved feels awkward?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      It’s a possibility.

      Nothing happens. The Bears cut him and don’t get the 160 something pick in the draft

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      We should be so lucky.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      This blog would self-implode

  • BerwynBomber

    Schefter was just on NFL Live saying that all indications are pointing to Cutler returning to the Bears for the ’15 season. He said the Bears would like to field offers but they are not getting any. Also said the Jets will release Percy Harvin.

    Wonder if the Clausen re-signing is further indication that Cutty returns.

    • IMO Clausen move doesn’t signal either way. I heard it’s a 1 year deal, likely for no guaranteed $$.

      So if Cutler is back, Clausen competes with Fales for backup. If Cutler traded, you bring in a more experienced QB to compete with whoever you draft.

      • BerwynBomber

        The surprising thing about that scenario is that Pace is on record in saying that he believes in the Ron Wolf “as many swings as possible” philosophy of finding a QB.

        Hence, he would be bringing back the same three guys; unless he truly thinks Cutler or Fales are long-term answers.

        • Johnnywad

          Whether Cutty stays or he doesn’t, Pace will likely still draft a quarterback as his first swing. I don’t think the two situations really have much impact on each other. I can’t imagine he’d count signing a Hoyer or Sanchez type as a “swing”. Those guys are known commodities.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If Pace :

            1. Gets less than a second for Cutty
            2. Drafts a QB in the top three rounds

            I’m starting up the diesel outboard on the S.S. BringMeHisHEad and there’s plenty of room.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      That would take stupid at a whole new level.

      Having Cutler in a 2015 Bears uniform is sheer incompetence.

      • BerwynBomber

        I tend to agree, but hey, it is what Schefter reported.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I find it funny when people throw ‘building through the draft’ and ‘we have 40 M of cap space available’ in the same sentence. Make up your mind.

    • I’m kind of terrified Pace is going to go crazy in FA. My biggest fear is that he backloads a couple big deals to damage their future when there is absolutely no reason to do that right now.

      I’ll breathe easier once we’re to next Wednesday.

      • I hope to god that doesn’t happen. Just look at the Saints this year.

        Hopefully, Stein slaps him around if he tries to go bonkers like that.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I wanted for them to spend all the money and try an win this year…every year..

        The Bears don’t need the cap space. Before the Marshall trade they had 30+ M this year and 30+ M next year. Now it’s 40-40. With only 2 starters/key players to re-sign in the next 3 years. Jeffery and Long.

        They’ll soon have a rookie QB with his lame contract. That means it’s a cap feast. It’s an NFL general rule.

        • willbest

          Actually next year it is going to be 60+ million assuming the sign Jeffery to a 10 mil/year contract and cut Allen while keeping Cutler. Dump him and its 75mil+

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Don’t rookies have an ‘option 5th year’ ? Or is it only the 1st rounders ?

            Allen, Bushrod, Jennings, possibly Bennett.

          • Only 1st rounders have the 5th year option. That is why some rookies actually prefer to drop to the 2nd instead of the late 1st.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Okay…so Jeffery is next year. Long 3 years from now. Nobody in between.

          • willbest

            Well of the guys we know are talented. And with them trading Marshall I fully expect Jeffery to get extended this off-season, cause he isn’t worth top 5 money so the franchise tag is out for him. And Fox/Pace should be public flogged if we enter 2016 without a legit WR.

            There are a lot of prospects that hit FA in 2017. Bostic, Jones, Hurst, Lattimore, Greene. We don’t know how they will perform in the new defense. And of course you have Young. On offense Fales, Wilson, Mills, Bennett, and Ola. Of those on offense the only one I think that could possibly be a money issue Wilson if he has a breakout year

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            All those might become productive elements, but they’re not in the planing for 1 year ahead to re-sign them

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Allen, Bushrod, Jennings, possibly Bennett.

        • Irish Sweetness

          You’ll always have the Pats, Barb.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Thank the Sun !!!

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd
    • Irish Sweetness

      They quote our own Aaron Leming (of Bear Report). There’s a blog in need of re-branding BTW.

  • On less somber news, I am VERY content we re-signed Clausen.
    I’m on record as hating these 1 year contract deals,. They suck. If Clausen blows up, then what? Next year we’ll be stuck with the dilemma of paying a one year wonder $18M/yr.

    I never understand these one year prove it deals. Sign them for two years.
    If they perform well, then you can have him under contract CHEAPLY the following season while you figure out if it was a fluke or not.

    (See Young)

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The agent of the closet superstar isn’t a moron. He’ll demand double guaranteed/roster bonus/ base salary…whatever the fuck it’s called.

      You end up paying double for every bum you sign, just because he might be touched by God in the meanwhile.

      You do have a point though. It happened with Josh McCown. So… you know… it’s all relative… Emery signs the gim teacher to a 1 yead deal and he ends up getting 4years/20 M from other teams. Meanwhile Emery gets fired and the new guys would have died in delight for having McCown all for themselves to re-sign until FA.

      • Yes, but IMO ” double guaranteed/roster bonus/ base salary” for an “IFFY” player (which is why he’s a one yr rental to begin with) is worth it. It’ll still be cheaper than a guy who signs one year, blows up, then he’s demanding the moon (like with McCown).

        Emery did a good job with the Young contract. I would like to see more contracts like that. Players with ‘upside’ signed to 2yr contracts. If you have to make it 3, so be it (as long as the 3rd year has marginal cap ramifications).

        It’s risk/reward.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Sure. young was a great pick up. People with minimal knowledge knew it frim the get go.

          But the 3 years weren’t an Emery genius move. young was a long term contract type of FA player. He wasn’t a 1 year contact player and Emery took a shot.

          He would have signed somewhere else for 3 years. maybe a shitty team/city, maybe a different role (he was initially an official starter for the Bears) but still 3 years.

          There’s a difference between rentals like Clausen and productive players like Young.

          • Irish Sweetness

            As I recall, the word on Young was a hot-headed penalty machine.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Who cares ? So are Michael Bennett, Suh and Brandon Browner. Would you want them ?

  • So, we’ll have close to $40 in cap, give or take. To rehash my FA moves.

    1. S McCourty. In many ways I DON’T want to do this, but we have to. The safety market in FA and the draft is a barren wasteland. Plus, we’re switching to a 3-4, so safeties must do more than in the Lovie 2. We’ll have to overpay, but years of Glitchy/Emery failures will at last mercifully end.

    2. DE/DT Odrick. We really don’t have a DE. Maybe Houston. This guy’s versatile and shouldn’t cost an arm-and-a-leg.

    3. ILB Wilhoite (once he’s released). Not much going on at ILB, unless you’re willing to gamble on Rolondo McClain. From what I’ve read, Wilhoite is servicable and familiar with Fangio’s system. Another cheap option would be Mason Foster

    4. DE/OLB Worlids. In some ways, this might be a luxury pick because I think we’re drafting our OLB, but hey, if we got $40M…(also might afford us the luxury of being able to draft WR Cooper/White and or the best OT).

    5. QB Locker. One word. Upside. OK. two words. CHEAP.

    I would NOT backload any of these contracts.

    • right now, they have about $27M to work with (after factoring in rookie class). But more moves could be coming.

      • I’m assuming at this point that Cutty’s all but gone. The fact that they practically gave Bmarsh away makes me think we’ll be giving Cutty away for spicy hot cheetos.

        • willbest

          Cutty has zero off-field issues, and nobody has ever said he isn’t a hard worker. He just doesn’t inspire the fans because he is either a bully (JWebb), or doesn’t give a s@#$@ (NFCC)

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Weird take on both those situations, but whatev’s.

          • willbest

            I didn’t have an issue with him getting up in JWebbs face, nor did I have a problem with him sulking over his MCL. I do care about Cutler’s below average ability to diagnose a defense and his bad habit of not getting off his primary target. But even with those limitations he is still the 14-18th best QB in the league. So you can compete with him as long as you don’t have to rely on him.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Hey… JWebb was the Bears Left Tackle for almost 2 years.

            Show some respect.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Being the Bears’ Left Tackle normally voids one of respect.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Yeah…it’s all Cutler’s fault.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      My guess is McCourty isn’t leaving New England.

      The reason they didn’t tag him wasn’t because they’re prepared to lose him, they did it because they’re prepared to pay franchise tag money per year ($9+M) and they might want to play with the cap hit (make it smaller in the beginning, larger on the back end) in order to be able to re-sign Revis.

      PS: I’d trade a mid rounder for Patrick Willis-Armand Brooks. But I want to try an win now, so I’m on a different planet.

      • I’m taking the draft into consideration (like GMs). It’s a decent class for ILBs.
        We can probably find a gem with a 4rth or something.

        Willis is like, what, 31?

        Most of these FAs are 27ish.

        As a GM, one has to gamble on finding value at certain positions in the draft.

        I think since this draft class is deep in pass rushers and IMO, ILBs, that we could take a calculated risk at those positions.

        Same holds opposite for bereft positions like S. We’ll have to either overdraft a S, or over pay one in FA.

        I’m not sure the Pats pay for McCourty esp if there’s a bidding war. They’ll plug someone else in while trying to squeeze Revis into their cap.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          McCourty is a leader and an elite young player.

          Can they cut Vilfork and lose McCourty as they try and repeat ? I don’t see it.

          Between McCourty and Revis I see them re-signing McCourty before Revis by a long stretch.

          Their problem is they have 20 M of cap space. If they would have used the tag on McCourty that would have left them with 11 to re-sign Revis. Basically a lost battle from a losing position.

          You’ll see.

          • I could see Revis leaving. He got his ring, and rumors are, the Jets want him back (lol oh the Jets).

            I just don’t recall the Pats valuing the safety position much since Harrison.
            At one point in time, they were starting Brandon Merriweather.

            But I could see them splurging a bit with a backended deal, but the question is, will McCourty play ball?

            This is his pay-day, and he knows ‘back-ended’ deals with the Pats ends in getting dumped. Just ask all those other vets like Seymour how quickly Pats dump former stars.

            I know if I were McCourty, I’d take the $ upfront instead of later.

          • willbest

            McCourty has his ring, he is going to be about guaranteed. Bears have money. It could work.

          • That’s what I’m thinking.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The Bears are tanking.

            PS: The Patriots have money too. And no other hole to cover.

            They’re in the Revis hunt, but that’s just a luxury. If they don’t sign him, how fucked are they really ? They have Malcom Butler for another 2 years at a 500K cap hit per year.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Oh…he’ll take his money.

            How teams play with the cap hit has nothing to do with it. Jerred Allen got 15 M for 2 years from the Bears. His cap hit last year was 3 M or some lame number like that.

            He’ll get a 5 years/47 M/28 M guaranteed.

            Look at Jairus Byrd’s contract. See how the cap hit it made ?

            http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/jairus-byrd/

            PS: The thing with McCourty is he was a top CB before becoming a S. So he’s not really just a S, he’s a Charles Woodson. He’s a DB.
            Belichick loves that.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The Jets’ Woody Johnson wants Revis back in his fold which is

            A) Is another “Makes no sense for Jets” move

            and

            B) May drive Revis’ price up beyond what the Pats want to invest.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            So they’ll re-sign McCourty and give more space to Malcom Butler.

            My point is…they have a plan to keep both, but if they can’t they’ll keep McCourty.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            It makes a ton of sense for the Jets. It’s a roster need, you subtract him from your competitor, you have huge amount of cap space and a rookie QB contract on your hands.

            It makes all the sense in the world. Also it’s huge PR win for the new GM. And that’s important for that team. He needs it with crazy fans and insane owner behind his back.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Good, then sign Willis and McCourty. Two leaders at LB and DB. Draft Shelton and let’s get this party started.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The Bears are in tanking mode. Hard to see elite players go there.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What’s the drop-off between McCourty and Rahim Moore?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            McCourty is elite, Moore is just another guy.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Willis is a stud – how much is he looking for? We don’t just need LBs, we need a leader.

    • AlbertInTucson

      5, Three words: Brittle.

      • It’s a catch 22. Wouldn’t be cheap if he weren’t brittle.
        It’s like a chick with personality. OH, only if she were hot too, but if she were hot, she wouldn’t have personality, and she definitely wouldn’t be available or cheap.

        • BerwynBomber

          The other knock on Locker is that he can’t read defenses. I would be willing to kick the tires on him as a potential bridge guy but discount buyer beware.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Bears had their dance with Chris Chandelier. He WAS effective…when he wasn’t on the shelf.

  • I think I mentioned this before, but another reason for devaluing WRs is perhaps the SB.
    Neither the Pats nor the ‘Hawks had a true stud WR.

    Naturally, there are many blue prints to win a SB, but this is a trendy copycat league.

    Also, Wilson will now have to step up, and I’m enthusiastic to see what he’s got. Some of our other WRs flashed too.

    #glassHalfFull

    • willbest

      Gronk is a stud receiver and the two they put on the outside are both more than capable of beating the single coverage they get because you are putting 2 on their stud TE. The the Seahawks lucked into SB quite frankly. If it wasn’t for GBs utter implosion they wouldn’t have even gotten there. And nevermind the only reason they ended up with the #1 seed in the first place is due to the Cardinals losing not one but two QBs.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Edelman may not be big, but that dude is a beast.

      • And slot WRs can usually be drafted in the later rounds.
        All happen to have the same scouting report

        ‘not fast, but quick. undersized, white, overachieving, scrappy.’ 3rd day pick or priority UFA”

        • Irish Sweetness

          What round would you draft Tom Waddle in? Give me a Tom Waddle.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      If you edit second sentence to say “had a prototypical big stud WR”, I think it works.

    • like somebody mentioned below, lot of solid WRs coming into the NFL the last few years. College is passing more and more, so it’s getting easier to find guys who can at least contribute there.

      • with the emphasis on shared RB duties too, and the plethora of competent RBs found cheap in draft (or UDFA), I think the near future of the NFL is probably going to shift to an emphasis on winning with OL and D (unless you have one of those stud QBs, of course).

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd
    • BearDown100393

      “could be a bust”

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        IN fairness, it’s a fantasy blog and they are talking about point production.

        • I see you’re doing your homework…
          Speaking of which, what happened to the reigning champ, Shady dog?

          • Shady

            Offseason.

    • willbest

      It is a bust from a fantasy standpoint. Cutler was targeting Marshall 10 times a game. He isn’t going to get that from Geno or whatever they dredge up for a QB next year. I haven’t put all that much thought into it, but I doubt I would rank him higher than 15-18 next year. That is barely a starter in a 10 team league.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Alshon also a bust in FF next year.

  • John Doe

    Jeremy Stoltz on why Marshall was traded:

    “At a certain point, you take addition by subtraction. And when you piss off the guys way at the top of the pyramid (the McCaskeys) it’s tough to come back from that.

    When you factor in his age and his lack of production last year, it was a move they felt they had to make.

    Pace and Fox want to wipe the slate clean. Cutler is next. It’s just them starting from scratch and getting rid of the guys who were dragging down the locker room.

    I just got off the phone with one of my good sources. You know why Lance Briggs has had one foot out the door for the past two years? Because he knew they’d never win with 6 and 15. Those were his exact words.

    The crappy attitude of those two filtered throughout the locker room. Think about it, have you ever seen a team completely roll over like they did last year? That had a lot to do with Marshall and Cutler, who were supposed to be the team leaders.”

    • BerwynBomber

      Wow. Strong stuff. I speculated last night that Briggs may have checked out less because of Lovie fidelity and more because BMarsh was leading the locker room. Briggs always struck me as a guy who didn’t care to lead, which was fine when Lach and Kruetz were around. Not so much afterward.

      • Trac

        I’m one of the few here that thought Cutler threw the game on purpose the week before he was benched. I still believe it and he’s been dead to me since then.

        • willbest

          I don’t think for a second it was his intention to lose the game. That being said, I don’t think he executed the game plan that game through his headset.

        • BerwynBomber

          Against the Saints? I thought it was less he threw the game than he carried into it the ultimate give a fuck ‘tude. In some sense, understandable because of the Kromer stuff; in another sense, completely unforgivable if you are a professional and others are relying on you to do your job.

          One thing that always raised a red flag for me was how he handled the Denver situation — specifically when he flew back to TN and refused to speak to their management. Granted, McDaniels handled things poorly too, but I worried about Cutty’s attitude from that moment on.

          Anyway, strange dude. The final chapter of his career is yet to be written, and he is one of the twenty best in the world at what he does, but he may ultimately end up as a guy’s whose legacy was as a coach-killing enigma (as one DBBer put it recently).

        • SC Dave

          This; I absolutely agree – Cutler is nothing more than a bloated, fetid corpse since that game.

        • the fact that Aaron Kromer wasn’t fired before that game was a much bigger problem than anything that happened during it.

        • Irish Sweetness

          It was my distinct impression that he threw caution to the wind in that game – and that’s being diplomatic about it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      ” …his lack of production last year ..”
      (facepalm)

      Yeah, he should have shrugged off his bum ankle and the fact is ‘buddy’ was looking the other way after the bromance went south.

      • Marshall was still getting targets. Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett, and Forte were all within 5 or 6 targets of each other when Marshall went out for the season last year. The balance was really good. The production, not so much (from most of them).

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Fuck you Jeremy Stoltz !

  • I guess we could upgrade the RT position, or maybe even kick him in to OG. He’s mammoth.

    • willbest

      I don’t know what this is in reference to but I have no qualms with them grabbing an OT at #7. Especially if we are going to lean on the power run game.

      • Barksdale is set to hit FA reportedly.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Me neither, Scherff is a solid pick. Probably. He goes to guard, Long swings outside. Draft a center ….

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        That’s insanity.

        The Bears need ILB and OLB. OT is the last of the concerns…they have 3 capable young guys. It’s up to the staff to find the right one.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          The Bears’ coach is now Fox…he’s a man’s man. I believe that he will be able to hold players accountable and that the players will step up to play their hearts out for him. We definitely need good draft picks on Defense to balance the team out as well as make it younger.

          I’d rather get a stud D player at #7 that is impacting the team on day one for the new defensive scheme. The O-line is led by Long and I think he and the new coaches will surely help solidify it.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Exactly. The Bears need a new leader for the new Defense. A building block.

            A linebacker. The scheme is all about those.

            The OLine already has those blocks and there’s the personnel to fill the other spots.

          • looking at how the draft is projected to shape up, IMO they’re grabbing an ILB to be that guy in rd 2.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Probably FA. I hope by trade personally.

          • I know you want them to trade for Willis. That would be a good move, at the right price. Can’t give up too much for a 31 year old.

            Personally I would be happy with Stephone Anthony in the draft. Love his film. My dream would be Eric Kendricks, but it seems he’s not likely to fall that far. Still, you never know.

          • Kendricks is short with T-rex arms, I think, so he might fall to the early 2nd.

          • yeah, the knock on him was too small and not athletic enough. He’s still too small, but posted good athletic numbers at the Combine. Most mocks have him going in the last 1/3 of the 1st round, but you never know with those. If he’s there at 39 and Chicago gets him, I will be thrilled.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You need a leader.

            Look Wood…jump on the Patrick Willis band wagon with me. Do it now !!!

            You want to know why ? Because I’m smart enough not to re-invent the wheel.

            Question for you Wood… if you could chose your own ILB corp in the league, which ILB corp would you chose ?

            ***Be aware…this is the classical trap question**** hhahaha

          • Agreed that Willis’ leadership is exactly what Chicago needs in the middle of their D. Just not giving up a high pick + a big contract for a 31 year old coming off a serious injury, especially when there’s a good chance he’ll be cut and the Bears have an inside track to sign him thanks to Fangio.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You can’t be cherry picking. You need to have balls and be proactive.
            The Bears have cap space. I don’t care about the money.

            This is why you should jump of the Willis band wagon…. analyze how the 49ers have build their elite ILB corp, the best in the NFL.

            One of my favorite players is Takeo Spikes. Not because he looked like a beast, but because that dude has his own ILB mentoring tree.

            At the age of 32 the 49ers signed him for 1 year, then extended him for another 2 years.
            They already had Patrick Willis drafted 1 year earlier. He mentored him, then the 49ers drafted NaVorro Bowman. He schooled him, also.

            In 2010 the Chargers sign him to a 3 year contract. At age 35. They had already drafted 1 year earlier their ILB, Donald Butler. Spikes grooms him for 2 years.

            2007 49ers draft Willis
            2008 49ers sign Spikes (32 years old)
            2010 49ers draft Bowman
            2011 Spikes leaves in FA

            2010 Chargers draft Donald Butler
            2011 Chargers sign Spikes (35 years old)
            2013 Chargers cut Spikes

          • I’d be all over Willis as a FA. But giving up a 3rd or 4th round pick for him is a different matter.

            Now that they have that 5th though, if they could turn Marshall into Willis I wouldn’t complain.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I don’t care about the draft picks.

            As long as you don’t have a true leader in the middle of the D the draft pick ups are rather useless.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There’s two of us in the boat, Barb …. the Ebola barge.

            But are we drafting fat bastard Shelton to put in front of Willis and rotate him with Ratliff?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            A NT ? You have to be insane.

            Pass rusher.

          • That’s what I’m thinking. There will be a run at S after Collins is drafted, which will make ILBs fall.
            We can still get Willhoite or someone along that line in FA to give us draft flexibility.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Have we given up on Shelton? It’s about time we had a fat bastard in there.

        • willbest

          I haven’t seen the Bears win the LoS on offense with any regularity in forever. So it most certainly is a need. And as they are drafting 7th BPA might even dictate they draft a OT rather than reach for a OLB that should be drafted somewhere in the early teens

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            3rd best pass rusher ?

            trade up and get the best.

          • willbest

            Easier said than done. Skins had to give up a boat ton to move up what 5 spaces to get RG3. You willing to mortgage next years draft to get the best pass rusher this year?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Maybe the Bears best pass rusher is the 2nd in others view.

            Take Fuller for example. The Bears thought he was the best CB of the class, while the majority had him 3rd or 2nd.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We need to gain picks, not lose them. I’d say Pace is trying to wrangle the #2 off the Titans but they’re not budging. He wants Williams. Anyone would.

          • willbest

            Yeah I am sort of thinking Pace is trying to trade Cutler and swap #1s

          • Irish Sweetness

            I hadn’t thought of that. Swap 1s. We get Williams. No extra pick, but we get the stud. I like.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Gain picks for what ?

            The Bears need starters-difference makers, not young depth. Emery took care of that.

            Every roster position has young depth

            RB: Carey
            WR: Wilson
            OL: Ola, Mills, Leno
            DT: Ferguson, Sutton
            ILB: Jones, Bostic, green
            CB: Hurst, Jean Luis
            S: Vereen

            Only positions without young bucks are TE and 3–4 OLB ( maybe Bass or Washington)

          • Irish Sweetness

            Cary runs like old people fuck. Wilson = meh. Mills sucks, the others = meh. The rest on the list are backups at a push. To have depth means having viable starters first. We have one WR. One RB. 2 or 3 OL. No LBs. No DEs. One good young corner. I like Mundy. We don’t have depth, anywhere IMO.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You base there opinions after a disastrous season with awful coaches at the helm.

            I think their actual value is still to be decided. Especially on D.

    • There are a bunch of RT options who should hit FA and could be in the $4M a year range. He’s one of them. Previewed some others here. http://dabearsbeat.com/2015/03/05/free-agency-preview-right-tackle/

      Wouldn’t be disappointed by a solid RT in FA at all. Also wouldn’t be shocked if they mostly spend $$ on D instead.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Jay Cutler should be the Bears QB next year for one reason: Jay Cutler is good. All the other options are poop.”

    So much for wanting him gone in your Jay Cutler as victim column, eh? You can’t quit your Cutty.

    I suspect you will get your wish (about his return) but not for the reason you think. Pace apparently can’t find any takers, hence #6 might very well line up under center in September. Biggest mysteries right now might be a) what happens if Mariota slides to #7. and b) does Pace select a QB in the draft and bring four QBs into camp?

    • willbest

      I am sure they have received offers, just none that make sense from a business standpoint. Marshall had to go because he was publicly being disagreeable.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Nothing wrong with having Mariota ride the pine for a year watching and learning how not to be a QB. That’s the way it was always done.

    • BearDown100393

      Good at what? Metastasizing?

    • AlbertInTucson

      No way Mariota is around at #7. Jets would either take him or exact a handsome price from the Eagles.

      • FourFeathers

        Trading down I the draft is very difficult to do. Especially in a draft like this where most pundits think the mid round of the draft has a lot of sameness in terms of player value.

      • There’s a SLIGHT possibility. Bridgewater fell, and IMO, he was more pro-ready than Mariotta.

        Also, all this philly moving up stuff could be smoke. Could be they WANT Mariotta gone so that Hudley falls to them.

        Hudley has drawbacks, but under Chips system, they can be minimized. Plus, he’s a PAC guy, so Chip knows all about him.

    • John Doe

      Pace and Fox will have absolute zero credibility if they now come out and say that they are fully behind Cutler. Nobody will believe them. Not the locker room. Not the media. Not the fans.

      More importantly Jake will not believe them. He already has a history of distrust of coaches and with start like this where they repeatedly declined to get behind him publicly, he will punk them for 2 years as revenge. What are Pace and Fox going to do midseason when Jake does whatever he wants? He will have guaranteed money for 2015 and $10 million for 2016 even if doesn’t throw a ball or throws 40 INTs. I am pretty sure Pace and Fox are not that dumb.

      The other thing, from Cutler’s perspective, is that does he want to play here? Die hard fans keep saying ‘Don’t trade him , no bette option’. But after what has transpired last year and since Pace and Fox have taken over, does anyone seriously think Cutler is excited and eager to play for Bears? I doubt it.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Cutler or his agent have already made overtures to Ken Wisenhunt. He would like nothing better than play out 3-4 years in Tennesse and then hang it up.

      And let’s get real. Tennesse is the only trading option. I am sure they have exchanged ideas on a trade. Pace might be trying hard to get the best deal he can.

      From Tribune:

      One NFL source said the Titans are the only realistic destination in terms of a trade for Cutler. It would be something if Pace could move Cutler and his guaranteed salary of $15.5 million for 2015. The solution isn’t to start Jimmy Clausen, re-signed to a one-year contract Friday, or David Fales. But the Bears might believe the sooner they shed Cutler and begin the process of searching for their next quarterback, the better. They might desire as clean of a slate as possible, and moving on from Cutler after trading Marshall would sure accomplish that.

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-biggs-brandon-marshall-bears-spt-0307-20150306-story.html

      • FourFeathers

        The problem is Cutler’s contact. Pace and Fox are forced to grin and bear it with Cutler for one season because trading or cutting him is not doable.

        • John Doe

          Pace and Fox have absolutely no leverage over Cutler.

          He has his contract, he has his guaranteed money whether they play him or bench him.

          Why would Cutler bust his balls for Pace and Fox who went to 10 of his former coaches to hear them bitch about how bad he is and then all that got leaked to the media? He will be passive aggressive and punk them all the way to his bank.

          Pace and Fox have cornered themselves where getting rid of Cutler is the only option.

      • willbest

        Without really thinking about it… the Texans are 1 above average QB away from contending. The Rams too. The Redskins QB situation is a mess.

        I am sure if the Bears wanted to dump cutler for a 7th rounder they could just fine a number of trade partners. But then you would be without a franchise QB and without any tools to acquire one. Which means you will enjoy a very nice 5 years as GM of the Bears and then be out of a job by the time you are 43.

        • BerwynBomber

          IF that is the case (in terms of existing partners), then they will dump him. All indications are they don’t want him back.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The Cardinals are one team in the NFL a QB away from being great. They’ve got to be our market with the Titans.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog: Jay Cutler should be the Bears QB next year …”

    Huh?

    2 Days ago you re-tweeted

    “Bears should trade everybody they can not named Jeffery, Fuller & Long.”

    • John Doe

      Breaking up from Jake is hard to do.

      • BearDown100393

        Cue Love Hurts

        • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    • I would defend Jeff, but he’s been a known Cutler defender, even tried to declare a Cutler Moratorium so that Da Blog would stop trashing him.

      Did not work.

      And I imagine the longer Jake stays on the roster, the more bitter the fans are going to get.

      • BerwynBomber

        Blogfather looked the fool when it came to Brandon Marshall/Dan Bernstein/Score stuff.

        It is one thing to be a Cutty and/or BMarsh defender. It is another thing to dismiss and mock sourced reporting when it does not agree with your wishes.

        • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

          That’s Jeff in a nutshell, though. Been that way since 2007 when I got here.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, guess I’m learning. Only been posting since the ’13 season.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            Jeff’s most popular article, the one that nearly broke national into the MSM, was that long diatribe about what a hero Brandon was for wanting to wear green shoes and bring light to mental illness. That gained Jeff a lot of Twitter cred, it certainly helped him with doing things like interviews with Cam Worrell and being on the radio in Des Moines although it happened after those things, it bumped his standing.

            Now, I think the truth is that BM was just being media savvy. He needed a hook, some cause people would think he was brave, because that’s the zeitgeist we live in: the person must confess and redeem to be accepted. It’s a very Catholic approach to media stardom. So he decided to “come out” as bi-polar because it hadn’t been done before. And it WORKED. It got him media interviews, it allowed him to make friends in the industry and it got him a tv gig with HBO. And THAT is what he cares about. He really really WANTS to be the new Cris Carter, esp. since Carter is getting a little tired and tv needs a new crop of stars.

            So BM played everybody. And in retrospect, that article that Jeff wrote played into BM’s media strategy. As big an asshole as Dan Bernstein is, he did a whole show with that sock puppet sidekick of his on this subject. BM is just a con man playing the long con. So, I can see from Jeff’s perspective, he’s sad to see BM go.

            But Jeff wanted to hold onto Lack, he wrote posts about how it was a mistake to let Kreutz go, etc. Jeff hates change.

          • Catholic zeitgeist.
            Waiting for Youtube vid on that.

            And it’s true. I’m trying to think of a star player Jeff wanted to dump. Drawing a blank.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not Greg Olsen. He was “the key to the offense”

          • BerwynBomber

            Thanks for the blog education, GP. Good stuff.

            Yeah, I never quite bought Marshall’s BPD excuse, but as you point out, it seems to have worked. I should catch his NFL show at some point. I never thought he was all that smooth media-wise, though he was compelling and a lot of these guys can get trained up. Jerome Bettis was next to horrible when ESPN first wheeled him out but now he at least appears competent.

            Setting aside BMarsh, I just wish these NFL shows hired ex-player analysts based on their announcing and analyst chops rather than their name. Although sometimes even when they hire a guy w/out much of name — David Deihl on FOX last year — they’re horrible too. Still can’t believe they cut Billick for that guy.

          • Oh, I don’t know if he’s feigning BPD. That’s seems overly cynical. Could be that Bmarsh has BPD AND is an attention whore (he wouldn’t be the first MeMeMe WR). Not mutually exclusive.

            He did stop acting the fool and getting stabbed in the preseason after all – and I’m pretty sure he’s not writing in a journal during games, seeing a sport’s psychiatrist while challenging twits to fights for “charity” cuz he’s playing with a full deck.

          • BerwynBomber

            I should have clarified: I would not say he is feigning BPD either. BUT even if legit I never bought it as a justifiable excuse for his past wife-beating jacket (full disclosure: I am not a huge believer in the insanity plea). So that is what I meant by the “excuse” of it.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            I think he has BPD as well. He just crafted a strategy (or his agent did) to turn a lemon story into lemonade.

          • willbest

            HIs ex stabbed him with a knife, and quite frankly, I am not inclined to believe it was in self defense. But then I have a far more realistic view of domestic abuse than the media would have you believe. It is not at all a one-way street, and the sex gap on abusers closing rapidly.

          • BerwynBomber

            He was arrested for it more than once (and if I’m not mistaken convicted with a suspended sentence). Wasn’t a single incident as with Rice or Peterson. Pictures of her injuries were on the ‘net.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Insane people don’t understand right from wrong though, so it’s a pretty straightforward thing when deciding to execute somebody or not, if one still lives in a place where that barbaric practice still happens.

            Didn’t his wife stab him in the gut? Three sides to every story. Wouldn’t be surprised if she’s the crazy one.

            No reason to hit a woman? Tell ’em Bill.

          • Irish Sweetness

            BM’s behavior is fairly indicative of BPD. He doesn’t appear to be medicated and is just rolling with it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This. It seems that when any TV or movie ‘celeb’ sees their star waning, it’s followed by “I was abused.” / “I’m an addict”. Instant spotlight for ten minutes, Ellen goes “poor you.”

        • Yeah, I was one that wouldn’t have minded Bmarsh on the roster (esp if only getting a 5th in return), but I admitted I wasn’t in that locker room, and now all sorts of reports are surfacing about Bmarsh in the locker room that are no bueno, so I can see the logic.

          And I’m guessing some of those reporters know of more stuff that they did not reveal (since they still want access)

          • Johnnywad

            Link em up Butch. I need to feel better about not having Marshall on the roster. He has got to be a raging douchebag to get traded for a fifth with his talent and skill.

    • Johnnywad

      Perhaps he knew Cutler is untradeable

  • FourFeathers

    The Bears and Cutler are saddled with one another in 2015. Next season is going to be a struggle under year 1 of rhe Pace / Fox rebuild, and so it’s reasonable to expect Cutler will continue to feel enormous heat and anger from rhe media and fans. The problem for both the Bears and Cutler is that his contract makes him untradeable and simply cutting him impractical.

    • John Doe

      Keeping Cutler now would be the dumbest thing that Pace and Fox do.

      Cutler was a miserable punk during best of times in Chicago when eveyone from coaching staff to GM was ready to cater to his whims.

      You really think he is going to play hard for Fox and Pace?

      • FourFeathers

        Cutler absolutely needs to leave. But you can’t trade that contract and if they were going to cut him it would have happened by now. I have full belief that Pace and Fox want to start anew at QB, but it might take a year to do that. And they hold all the power in the relationship right now. If Cutler acts like a jerk then they can humiliate him for a year.

        • John Doe

          “and if they were going to cut him it would have happened by now.”

          Why would they cut him now when the deadline is March 11 midnight? That doesn’t make any sense.

          Plus, why cut outright when you can trade him..even for a bad deal. A trade with a bad deal still gives them huge cap relief this year and gets the contract off the books.

          There is a lot of time left between now and when FA opens and when March 11 deadline comes up.

          • FourFeathers

            Who on earth is going to trade for Cutler and rhat contract hit?!? Answer is sadly nobody.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Titans will. They’re just going round the houses when it comes to negotiation. Pace wants this, they want that.

            Here’s fair, if they’re not giving up their #1 pick.

            Swap the 2nd and 3rds, and they give us Wright or Hunter. Anything else is getting hosed, and you’re the one that’s supposed to do the hosing when you’re shopping your QB.

          • FourFeathers

            The Bears can’t give away Cutler. There have been several sources that have come out and said Tennessee has minimal Interest in Cutler and will absolutely not flip flop 2nd and 3rd round picks for the privilege of taking him off our hands. I want Cutler gone. I’m convinced Pace wants him gone too. But short of cutting him he is staying for one more year. Yes it sucks.

          • Yup. Like I said. The Titans hold all the leverage. We have ZERO.
            The entire league saw that Saints game.
            What a clusterfuck. Just another reason Cutler should have stayed bench.

          • FourFeathers

            If it is me I simplu cut Cutler and take the massive cap hit in 2015. We aren’t going to remotely contend for a couple of seasons and I prefer eating the sh!t sandwich now and building from a clean slate. Yes I can stomach one season of Jimmy Pickle or some other nobody at QB in the interest off getting this right eventually.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            They can’t do it. Media markets like Indy give them a pass when they Suck for Luck, but not Chicago. The media will make the season a death march if they go 4-12.

            They need at least enough firepower to split with the Lions and Vikes and go 6-10 or 5-11. Anything else puts John Fox on Calvary’s cross and that isn’t fair to them.

          • FourFeathers

            Pace and Fox have a full scale rebuilding on their hands. The talent gaps on this roster are huge. If people somehow think that this team should contend in 2015 then they are sadly delusional. There will be no slapping lipstick on a pig and expecting good results in year 1 of the new regime. Hence why I bite the bullet and cut Cutler now.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            I agree with you. I would love to see John Fox play Buttermaker and take a scrappy bunch of kids, mostly rooks and URFAs with some no name QB with a ton of guts, and just go out there and scrap like hell.

            But the media will bend the narrative to incompetence when the losses pile up. You know it and I know it.

          • FourFeathers

            Yep. The meatballs and the nut jobs will be furious if John Fox can’t take this team to 9 wins and playoff contention on year 1. Honestly given the talent gaps all over rhe place I can see a 3 or 4 win max season in year 1. Especially playing in the tough NFC. We have one building block in Long so far as the offensive line goes. One quality WR. Forte is now 30 and a hi mileage back. We have crap at linebacker. Only secondary player of positive note is Fuller. Etc.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed … BUT … if Fox/Fangio can immediately make the D competent they may conclude they can win five or six games with Jimmy Pickle.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            I like Clausen pickle. I think the kid has scrap. I like that.

          • I like him too. I would like to see him, a draft QB and Fales compete for the starting job, no holds barred, like the Joker made 3 guys with the pool stick compete.

            Then again, could be McCown part deux, but we all know this is just a temporary fix anyways.

          • FourFeathers

            How are they going to make it immediatelu competent when we have crap at linebacker and safety, only one viable cornerback, a washed up Jared Allen who no longer fits the scheme, a Willie Young who might not return from injury during rhe season and an injured flop in Houston?!? The Bears need enormous talent infusion on defense.

          • Yeah, NO WAY will Bears fans be cool with becoming the Jags.
            Even our Romanian friend is outraged over conceding to “rebuild”. And he’s in Romania!

            We do need 3 solid drafts though to compete for the SB, but that doesn’t mean we can’t compete period.

          • Cut Cutler? NO WAY.
            I’m no fan, but that would be insane. If anything, I would rather carry him on the roster and let him ride pine for the next 2 years if necessary.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This. We don’t wanna start him? Make him the best 3rd string QB in the NFL.
            “Sit down Jay, we’ll call you when we need you”

            Meanwhile, QBs start dropping like flies during the season … BOOM! First rounder.

          • BerwynBomber

            That is what I heard too. The only thing that COULD change that result is if TENN has no interest in Mariota. If that is the case then there is still an outside chance they might take a look at Cutty for a bottom of the draft pick. But I am beginning to think the Bears will see an offer that is not even as good as the BM one if they seen one at all.

          • Johnnywad

            Irish, you can’t possibly think anybody is giving up a 1st for Cutty.

          • he must be on that Serbian Weed.

            Though, I was hoping for at least a late 1st, the market has spoken.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Why can’t they trad him, the other team will have to pay him what they’d pay any #1.

          • willbest

            Because there are a lot of people that seem to think that if Cutler were a FA he wouldn’t be able to get 32 mil guaranteed, which of course is completely unsupported by any evidence in the current QB market.

          • BerwynBomber

            He is not an FA. He is guy with an existing contract and the reputation as a coach-killing malcontent. Those two things — his contract and rep — completely alter the prospective landscape.

          • willbest

            His contract and rep are only relevant in so much as you believe that he is not worth those rate. Because if you actually thought he could get 2-yr 32 mil guaranteed in FA, then you pointing them out makes no sense.

            The Bears could, if they wanted trade him for as little as say swapping 7th round picks with the Titans. And if the Titans were at all interested in Bears (and willing to pay the 2-yr 32 mil) then trading is better for them because once Cutler hits FA he will have increased options.

            Also, not discussed is how cap friendly his contract can be because it contains the automatic bonus clause. So any team that acquires him could if they want pay him a $10 million bonus in lieu of salary, and reduce his 2015 cap hit to $7.5 million.

            There are only two things that prevent Cutler from being traded
            1) Bears find him more valuable to keep than what other teams are offering
            2) He isn’t worth 2-yr 32 mil guaranteed

            I am saying #2 isn’t it. Therefore the only reason Cutler isn’t on another team right now is because Pace/Fox think the Bears are better off with Cutler than whatever they can get for him.

          • We can trade him, but not for merely switching draft position and a 5th.
            Fuck that.
            We’ve been through too much with Cutty (not to mention what we gave up for him) to go down like that, although if they throw in Mettenberg, I would listen.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Why wouldn’t he? Tressy was a joke from the get-go, and Lovie lost his bearings as the years passed when it came to finding stability on the offensive side of the ball. If Fox and Pace have to work with Jay Cutler from a business stand-point, then they will be professionals about it and go on ahead and do what they have to work with.

        • FourFeathers

          Nobody wants Cutler. And certainly not Pace and Fox. But it looks like they have no choice but to stomach one season of the enigmatic Cutler.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            Enigmatic. Interesting adjective.

          • And Bmarsh was “mercurial”.
            “Enigmatic” and “Mercurial” might make for a great artist, but not captains of a football team.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            Mercurial Enigma sounds like a great name for a yacht though. Especially if it had big twin Mercury outboards.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Jets, Titans and Cardinals want him for sure. It’s the price that’s in question

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      again with the R word

      • FourFeathers

        Live in denial all you want. Pace and Fox inherited a steaming pile of crap and have a lot of work to remake this roster.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          It’s all relative isn’t it ?

          They just traded for a 5th rounder a WR who in 3 years has done:

          280 catches, 3.500 yards, 31 TD, 1 fumble, elite run blocking.

          • FourFeathers

            And was a soul crunching cancer who played by his own set of rules. A cancer who has now be kicked out of Denver, Miami and Chicago DESPITE all his wondrous talent on the football field. I’m very please that Pace and Fox dumped this asshat and set a new tone.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You confuse me with your faulted logic.

            Cutler is as bad as Marshall, but they’ll keep him because it costs them cash to cut him.

            IF YOU HAVE CANCER YOU DEAL WITH IT… YOU DON’T THINK AT THE COSTS.

          • willbest

            Sometimes the costs on cancer are too much that the thing to do is to dope up and ride out the rest of the contract err… I mean life.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I agree. But you can’t do things half way.

            What you suggested would have been keeping them both.

            But you can’t fight the cancer in the lens and leave the one in the liver because it’s riskier.

  • Maybe McDaniels wasn’t as short-sighted as originally thought. All these years later, and it seems we can’t even give Cutler away.

    • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

      When even the insane clown posse that is the New York Jets don’t want you….

      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/06/jets-arent-interested-in-trading-for-jay-cutler-dang-it/

      • Yeah, I read that. They’ll take their chances with Geno or a rookie QB.
        More damning to Cutler.
        That’s why I’m not optimistic about Cutler being traded, or being traded for something reasonable.

        How bummed will this blog be after Tues….

        • willbest

          Its probably the most anti-cutler space I frequent. If Gase is the pro everybody thinks he is, then he will restrict Cutler’s ability to audible, add some more run focused attacks and we might get an offense that looks more like what the cowboys did last year. Not saying Cutler is as good as Romo, nor our line as good as theirs, but at least it will be competent.

          • Johnnywad

            I would say most here are “Cutler Agnostics” as Butch so eloquently put it. There aren’t many Cutty stalwarts left. The rest are either indifferent, or want him gone in the worst way. The latter are the most vocal so it reads pretty negatively.

            I’d prefer he stays. I’d also like to see Pace drafting quarterbacks.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            unfortunately the negative voice has been the loudest lately.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fair point. Even though they have a top line, good back, and some good receivers, I’m still surprised he was the highest rated QB in the NFL this season.

      • Trac

        I read all the posters comments and I couldn’t find 1 pro Jay comment. The closest one that came to being positive was where some guy said it would be stupid to give him away. Yup, da cat is outta da bag.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          i think there is a pretty good sized faction that is indifferent to it. I for one think Jay is still our best option for this year. But I would not be upset if they traded him away, as long as we got decent value. I would however be royally pissed off if they simply cut him, that would be a colossal waste of money. Let him compete, if he gets the starting spot let him play, if he fucks up bench his ass.

          • Trac

            Exactly. I’m right there with you big penis. Wait, that doesn’t sound right. Hahaha

          • Yes the Penis has a firm position.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Best option for what? Winning? No chance. We suck right now. What Cutty is to us is a draft pick. We swap picks with the titans, dump his contract and draft Leonard Williams. That is immeasurably better than winning 5 games with Jay Cutler under Center. Can we even win 5 games without Brandon?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      McDaniels was on the money. He build the roster Fox had success with.

      He would have been a hit in Denver, but the Broncos made a huge mistake in giving him to much power, before he could earn it.

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        He would have been a hit in Denver, had he not drafted Tim Tebow in round one. THen let all the crazy Colorado bible boys turn the QB thing into a referendum on character.

        • When VH1 does a “2010” music capsule, I expect Tebow to pop up in one of those trivia bubbles…

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Drafting a young late 1st round QB to groom in the second year of the project isn’t such a big error. Especially not after gaining a loot of picks after trading Cutler-Marshall.

          He was in Denver for 2 years. Those 2 QB draft classes were awful. Tebow was the best QB of those 2 QB classes he could select…and I said it all.

          He didn’t draft Tebow because he loved him, he did it because he was the only one with minimal upside. He thought ‘I’m an offensive guru. I can make him at least an average thrower. He surely has the work ethic and intangibles’.

          http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/year/2010/quarterbacks
          http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/year/2009/quarterbacks

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            Jimmy Pickle was picked in the 2nd round in the 2010 draft. Colt McCoy in the 3rd. Skelton in the 5th and Smokin Joe Webb in the 6th. So it was a weak QB draft but to spend a 1st on Tebow when Devin McCourty and TJ Ward, Gronk and Lamarr Houston were all out there – it was a bad pick. It was a fiasco. He could have gotten Pickle in the 2nd and had Gronk in the first if he was that hard-up for a QB after trading Cutler.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I get he other players. But he had a plan. He wouldn’t go with Orton for 4 years as the starter. He wanted to start looking for the future. Until you find your franchise QB you almost have to spend such picks on them.

          • BerwynBomber

            I still think Tebow could have had a mildly effective five or six career in the right system. Would have needed to be a heavy run first offense, but teaming him say with AP (when Minny was starting Ponder) might have worked to a point. Certainly would have made DCs do extra homework in scheming against the run. Limited but half-effective.

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    I like this Polish chick’s version because it’s obvious she can’t speak English and is just trying to sing the song the way the words sound, and doesn’t know the words themselves.

    Even done in earnest it’s a catastrophe. This version is clearly the choice for the Marc Trestman – Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler montage video.

    • Trac

      She’s on a highway to hell wearing 6 inch pumps.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hard to believe they did the ‘Baby come back’ thing with Jay …

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    I can’t hop the Trib paywall and don’t *do* Facebook or their login, but Campbell did a story on Crazy Conte

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-chris-conte-bears-spt-0308-20150307-story.html#page=1

  • AlbertInTucson

    Since it has been mightily dicussed on this thread I believe a clarification is in order.

    It is my understanding that Marshall’s “BPD” is actually “Borderline Personality Disorder” and NOT “Bi-Polar Disorder”.

    They are are two different mental disorders / diagnoses.

    • yes, Marshall has borderline personality disorder. BPD refers to that.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Several posters have mistakenly referred to him as being Bi-Polar.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Well said Al.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog @sim54gar Bears have a punchers chance to win NFC North. But they would need to punch Aaron Rodgers in the ACL. Hard.
    Cheese might not be all that next season. Hangover from their epic NFCC collapse. Won’t be as injury-free as they were last year. Will lose more than win in FA. And Rodgers is due for a semi-mortal year.
    Problem is the Kittens no longer have Shorts at the helm and Minny is improving. NFC North will be a 9-7 dogfight. We might not be in that mix but I can see the new regime gaining us an extra win or two.

    • willbest

      If the Kittens lose Suh you can count them out otherwise I can’t expect them to be that bad on offense even if they regress a bit on D. Vikings are quietly getting good though. I might be loopy enough to predict they win the North come week 1 when I start making foolish predictions.

      As for Rodgers, this is now 2 years in a row where he has sustained significant injuries. Obviously, I don’t wish him ill, but the game might have finally started to get to him. And then we will see what happens in FA. They got a lot of issues on defense to address.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I don’t think Rodgers is made to last like Brady or Manning. For one thing he is slighter and shorter. For another his style of play leads to more hits and chances for injuries.
        Losing Suh will obviously hurt the Kittens but I think that team/organization took a significant step forward in making the post-season under a first year HC and that their confidence will carry over into ’15.
        Agree about the Vikings except they probably need another year to be considered an absolute threat.

      • Johnnywad

        I disagree here Will. Didn’t Rodgers just start 18 games this season and win the NFL MVP? He had a strained calf, not a torn ACL. That dude’s gonna be a pain in the ass for a while yet.

        • BerwynBomber

          Torn calf muscle and he never looked the same. His style of play leads to hits and injuries. He is more at risk than a straight drop-back passer. Plus, he ain’t built like Favre.

    • GB will win double digit games-and the NFCN-again. Only way that doesn’t happen is if Rodgers gets hurt.

      Peyton, Brady did it every year in their primes. Rodgers is in his prime.

      • FourFeathers

        Green Bay is strong and they develop thru the draft brilliantly. Detroit is getting scary. And Minnesota has a lot of young talent and a competent coach for a change.

      • NewBearInTown

        One way or another, they always find a way. Though Minny and Detroit are both looking fairly well put together after last season.
        There is a pretty good collection of coaches and young QBs in the NFC North right now. Not exactly a great time for the Bears to be rebuilding. I am concerned that under Fox we will look like the Rams under Fisher. Good D, competitive team, but just unable to stack up wins without a clear franchise QB.

  • willbest

    I didn’t see this discussed but too bad for Nick Roach. I hope he was smart with his money, and that he will be able to manage his concussion symptoms in the long term.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000477159/article/nick-roach-released-by-raiders-career-in-jeopardy

  • willbest

    I would think Chicago’s lack of interest in Paea would be mainly due to their scheme change. Between that and his injury history they probably wouldn’t be comfortable paying him what he could get from a 4-3 team.

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    This is a personality purge – the type Emery and Trestman should have executed on the defensive Lovie Loyalists a few years back.

    Every once in a while I read something Jeff posts and I’m like… “wait… WHAAAAT?”

    Purge the Lovie loyalists a few years back? (wipes eyes)
    Am I reading this?
    Is that you John Wayne?

    Blogfather goes BANANAs – guaranteed – if the Bears cut Briggs and Tillman – you know – the Lovie loyalists – during Trestman’s first season. Everybody goes bananas. As it was they sent Lack packing after he was insulted by his $1m/yr. offer despite being a broken down wreck. Imagine that same summer, doing a Lovie purge of Tillman and Briggs as well.

    Holy revisionist thinking Batman. Time and place. Time and place.

    • willbest

      I agree with Silvy in that the problem wasn’t keeping the Lovie loyalist so much as pandering to them by learning “their” defense. Tucker should have put the talent he, Tress, and Emery came up with in the best possible situation to succeed, but it should have been on Tuckers terms.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Or

      “Holy 20-20 Hindsight, Batman!”

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Talking about revisionism

      “Bears offered Urlacher, who earned $8 million in 2012, a one-year contract worth $2 million, Urlacher’s camp had been seeking a two-year contract worth $11.5 million”

      I’m insulted as a fan. Urlacher gained more money in his career than Ray Lewis, while playing less years.

  • Scott W.

    18″ of snow and a massive power outage later, Marshall is a Jet.
    Wasn’t he our first official WR Diva? Always liked him though, even donate to his charity every year.
    You’ll be missed, Brandon. Hope you figure out how to level out man.

    • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

      First WR diva? Oh no….

      David Terrell, a 1st round pick from UMich and a big bust, insisted on having special white socks for the game. And a special plate of food pre-game. Terrell was the anti-Waddle.

      Willie Gault from the famous Super Bowl Shuffle, had headshots and an agent and did multiple auditions in Hollywood for parts that probably ended up with Eddie Murphy. He thought he was going to be the next Billy Dee Williams.

      Heck, one could make a case that Johnny Morris and his wife Jeannie, invented the Chicago wideout diva. He constantly clashed with Ditka and was part of that CBS team with Bill Kurtis and Jacobsen and was, according to the Rich Cohen book, a diva.

      • Trac

        That explains why Ditka busted Johnny Morris’ s chops in a lot of interviews. Hahahaha

      • Scott W.

        I don’t remember any of those guys being as…hmm…outspoken? Flashy?
        I dunno, always saw Marshall, even during his Inside the NFL run, as being an Owens or a Johnson. I know a lot of guys here were bent out of shape over him, but hell, he had a pulse. Enjoyed getting more than the party line from someone in a Bears uniform, right or wrong.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Jeannie is the EX-Mrs. Johnny Morris since the 90s

  • Cormonster

    I was talking with my sister the other day about Boderline Personality Disorder to get an insight on Brandon Marshall. She’s a shrink and a shrink professor at a really good medical college who has dealt a lot with this disorder. I’ll try to summarize some of the things she mentioned. Don’t quote me on anything. I’m just going off what I remember.

    The first thing she did when I brought up BPD was roll her eyes and say they are the hardest patients to deal with and impossible to “cure”. The best you can expect is that they will get better at dealing with or coping with the problem.

    Most, but not all, patients were physically or sexually abused as kids, or neglected. They are often attention seeking and have a deep down hatred of themselves. They often hurt themselves or are self destructive in some form because of the self hate.

    She said it’s very, very hard to be friends with people with BPD. They have wild mood swings. They may praise you or look up to you one moment, but if they feel betrayed or slighted in some way they can turn on you quickly. You can almost feel their anger towards you. They are good at finding your weakness and making you feel like shit. If they are having a bad day, they will make everyone around them have a bad day.

    Maybe his disorder is why he wears out his welcome after a couple years at every team.

    • Irish Sweetness

      There’s no medication for it. So he’s just dealing with it, and unfortunately the cracks are still showing. I would have persisted with him as his coach. The benefits of him on the field are greater than … Josh Morgan or Marquess Wilson (facepalm).

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      great stuff.

      Marshall has been dealing with it in a great manner. He’s very intelligent.

      Instead of respecting him for trying to do his best in the situation, they call him a cancer.

      This is the NFL. Production tops sanity because one way or another everybody is fucking insane

    • BearDown100393

      Marshall prioritized a television show over the team’s wishes. He was given a choice by management. He made his decision and the Bears made their own. This made known to being an issue because Brandon Marshall discussed this meeting to the media, also against the wishes of the Bears. I already wrote earlier what would have been a compromise mutually beneficial for both sides. Perhaps that was never on the table. However IMO, this issue has little to do with his disorder. Jerry Azumah and Anthony Adams each tweeted messages of support for Marshall. Not sure about his “current” former Bears teammates. And what happened with Marshall regarding his teams before arriving to Chicago is not reflective on the Bears. At the time of his arrival here, many considered it to being his “last chance” at a NFL career. And he seemed to understand that during his introductory press conference. Over time, that changed.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog: “Every day that goes by I wonder why Cutler doesn’t tell reporter, “I want to be Bears quarterback. I want to lead Bears to the Super Bowl.”

    C’mon. The many character assassins who pass themselves off as “media” would have a FIELD day with that.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Cutler has all the leverage in the world. Why would he do such a silly thing ?

  • willbest

    And when the reporter follows up with questions that he is being shopped? or wonders why Pace/Fox is talking to the corpses of coaches he has left in his wake?

    He gains nothing until March 12 where he can say
    “I look forward to working with Coach Fox and Coach Gase on putting on an offense Bears fans can be proud of. I am excited for this new direction… yada yada yada”
    or
    “I appreciated the time I spent in Chicago. It is a great city, and I will miss my former teammates. But I understand this is a business and Pace wanted to go in a different direction. I am looking forward to getting to know and they have a great program there, yada yada yada”

    • BerwynBomber

      Agreed except for the date. Even though I suspect Cutty will be the starter next season, that is not a given until AT LEAST after the draft. All reports are lines are wide open in terms of trade talks involving Jay. I suspect they will remain open well after cut/FA day.

      • agreed. Until their 1st round pick passes without them grabbing a QB, Cutler’s not safe.

    • BearDown100393

      Every season, a starting QB is injured and out for the year. The first one to go down, the market will go up for the Bears regarding #6.

  • BerwynBomber
    • Barb UMihai Mar

      well obviously.

      they never wanted to deal with the PR hit of losing him.

    • AlbertInTucson

      And he got he $10m a year.

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    UA product. I might be in favor of taking a flyer on Brooks Reed although a Texan Rusher comes with the “I got to play with J.J. Watt” disclaimer.

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