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Bears need to learn from mistakes made with Cutler

| April 8th, 2015

The trade the Bears made for Jay Cutler six years ago didn’t go as planned, but they’re as much at fault as he is.

With a new general manager, a new head coach and Cutler turning 32 years old, they’re likely going to have a new quarterback in the near future, but they can’t repeat the mistakes they made with Cutler.

This isn’t a defense of Cutler as much as it is an indictment of the previous two Bears regimes. The GM/coach combination of Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith didn’t understand what it took to help a quarterback be successful. The duo of Phil Emery and Marc Trestman were better at offensive player evaluation, but couldn’t put together a defense that wasn’t awful.

If you had to pick which group was more successful, it would easily be Angelo and Smith as the Bears won 58 percent of Cutler’s starts in the three years they were all together and 67 percent the last two. Cutler was injured 10 games into the 2011 season and nobody seemed to be questioning how valuable he was.

If Cutler wasn’t injured in 2011 or in the 2010 NFC Championship game, maybe the story would be different. the new Bears regime seems to be at least a little interesting in finding that out. Still, there’s no questioning that the Bears failed their quarterback by not providing him with adequate blockers or pass catchers at that time.

The last two seasons have been a failure of the defense, while Cutler was productive, although still prone to turnovers. He will always be prone to turnovers, it doesn’t make him a bad quarterback, it makes him a flawed one. Every quarterback has flaws.

The mistake they have consistently made the last six years is thinking that a quarterback can carry them when everything else goes wrong. That can be true for short spurts, but football is the ultimate team sport. Maybe if Cutler was Tom Brady or Peyton Manning he could’ve overcome a lack of adequate receivers. As for the lack of a defense, not even they have won with defenses that ranked in the bottom five.

The Bears may or may not still be in the market for a quarterback, depending on who you ask. They seem to like Oregon’s Marcus Mariota, but that could also be a smoke screen. Maybe there’s another quarterback they like enough to take in the second or third rounds, we won’t know until draft day. What we do know is they need to build around whoever the quarterback is on both sides of the ball and the best way to build a good and deep team is through the draft.

Since acquiring Cutler in 2009, the Bears have drafted three skill position players and two offensive linemen in the first four rounds. In that same span, the Packers have drafted five skill position players and five offensive linemen. Go back a year earlier when they knew Aaron Rodgers was taking over and the Packers drafted Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley in the second and third rounds, as well as Josh Sitton in the fourth. They also have a coach who helped Aaron Brooks look like an NFL quarterback.

The Patriots have drafted five offensive linemen in the first four rounds since 2009, to go with nine skill position players. While they have changed offensive coordinators, their system has remained the same with each new offensive coordinator developing on their staff.

Even if you count the two third-round picks (which should really count as one considering they traded pass-catcher Greg Olsen away for one) the Bears gave up to get Brandon Marshall, they still invested less than the teams with the best quarterbacks in the league. They have also had four different people design and call plays for four very different systems.

In that same span, the Patriots have never had a defense that ranked outside the top 20 in points allowed, while the Packers have only once and the Bears have three times.

This week’s hot rumor has the Bears going after Mariota, possibly trading up — in a deal that would supposedly involve Cutler — to get him. As with all rumors, especially those reported by Jason Cole, that one almost certainly isn’t true. If the Bears love Mariota, they should try to get him, but beware of the asking price to trade up.

If you scan the best quarterbacks in the league, you’ll notice almost none of them required major non-financial investments.

Peyton Manning was the first pick in the draft, as was Andrew Luck, their teams didn’t trade any other picks for them. Rodgers was a late first-round selection and walked into a Super Bowl-ready team. Tom Brady was taken in the sixth round, Russell Wilson was in the third, both to teams that already had solid rosters. Drew Brees was a free agent signing, Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco both dropped in the draft.

Of the last 16 Super Bowl champions, the only quarterback who cost his team more than one high draft pick is Eli Manning. Perhaps that is proof that a team shouldn’t invest more in their quarterback than they do in his supporting cast.

Whether they add a quarterback or not this year, the Bears still need to upgrade their offensive line, add another receiver, find a running back to replace Matt Forte and have a long list of things that need to be done on their defense. If they sell the farm for Mariota, or anyone else, they’ll be putting him in a no-win situation. It’s something they tried before and, so far, it hasn’t worked.

As important as having a great quarterback is, it’s just as important to have a good team around him. The Bears failed to do that over the last six years, it’s a mistake the team’s new leadership must learn from.

 

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  • Frank Schoenburg

    First! Welcome aboard Andrew!

    • Frank Schoenburg

      Make that second. Still glad to have you onboard!

      • Frank Schoenburg

        Never mind, I was first. I’m leaving now.

  • Johnnywad

    This piece was somehow stolen from the Waffle Files. It was scrubbed of cursing and Tradewind, and reposted.

    Nonetheless, a very well thought out, reasonable piece, AD. Looking forward to your weekly stuff.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Things would have been different if Cutler didn’t get injured in the 2010 NFCCG? Yeah, maybe if he hadn’t have shown up at all, the Bears would have had a shot.

    • Johnnywad

      It would be impossible for him to gag away a game like the Pack did in last season’s NFCCG.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Irrelevant

        • BillW

          Not at all. Dom Capers Defense let up mightily in both games. Aaron Rodgers QB rating was below 60 in both games.

          I do think GB beats Chicago in that game even with a healthy Cutler, but we would have had a real chance given GB’s propensity to choke on D and Rodgers poor NFCC play..

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      Bears were never winning that game. GB had a comparable defense to Chicago that year (both were among the best in the NFL) and were better at every single position on offense save RB.
      If Cutler had not gotten hurt, the Bears still would have lost. What would have changed is the narrative. Instead of the incredibly misguided “Cutler’s a pussy,” there would have been a lot of “Cutler sucks, especially against GB,” with perhaps some people focusing more on “why can’t Chicago field more than 4 NFL-caliber players on their entire offense?”

      • Johnnywad

        I respectfully disagree Woody. Bears won the division, were 11-5, and had already beaten the Packers at home that very season. To say the Bears were never winning that game is a bit of a stretch.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          they beat the Packers on the strength of a late ST touchdown and a record-setting number of penalties by GB. And even then it was a close game.
          They were not winning the NFCCG against a hot GB team. The 1st half was enough to tell us that.

          • BillW

            To be fair, Mr Peppers had a LOT to do with the record number of penalties. He was unblockable. And that game may be the reason GB decided to take a chance on him years later.

          • Johnnywad

            Shit happens. Green Bay could not possibly have lost last season’s NFCCG either. But they did. Why bother to play the games otherwise? That wasn’t the Raiders out there in 2010. It was the Division Champs.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            I’m saying that, based on what we saw in the 1st half of that game, CHI was not winning that game regardless of whether Cutler, Hanie, or Collins played the 2nd half at QB. Going in to that game, I though CHI had a chance but it would have taken the offense avoiding turnovers and the defense getting a couple turnovers, and a DST TD to boot.

          • Chris Drewery

            I tend to agree, but I do believe the NFC winner was winning that Super Bowl.

      • Scott W.

        I think the Bears would have won that one if Cutler had made the stop, and not gotten injured in the process.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          are you thinking of 2011? When he got hurt tackling a SD defender to prevent an INT return TD after Johnny Knox fell?

          • Scott W.

            God I’m old. Yes. I was. Wrong game and year.

            Pass the Geritol, somebody.

          • BillW

            Sorry. I drank it all. I’d get some more but I have no energy.

          • Scott W.

            Says a lot we remember Geritol…sigh.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

      Hate to agree, but i do. All i remember thinking when Cutler started riding the bike, “fuck” but that was quickly followed by, “well, maybe we’ll get a qb in there that doesn’t shit his pants”.

      • SC Dave

        I qulify that last sentence to include three final.words “… agsinst Green Bay.”

        In general, I’ve never hated Cutler’s game. except against the Packers.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    Great point about the investment in supporting cast. Great points all around. Good stuff, Andrew.

    • Scott W.

      I don’t get the “either/or” demands.
      Beasely, Fowler, etc., are good, no question. But we can live – and live well – without them. Later rounds, IMO, will offer plenty of talent. Maybe not their “beastly” version, but talent nonetheless.

      The wall I keep hitting when I think of letting Mariota slip on by is big. Our long-term answer at the most pivotal position in the entire game is standing right over there in Hawaii, waiting for his phone to ring at month’s end.

      Yes, we have Cutler, yes, he’s expensive, yes, he can win some games, yes, we have defensive needs out the wazoo.

      We also have to field the best team possible AFTER 2015. At the end of Cutler’s 7th season with the Bears, and his 11th overall, what’s the plan? One argument not being made by anyone is that Jay, with the right everything and everyone else, will bring the Lombardi to Chicago.

      He was picked after Vince Young and Leinert in 2006. That’s a story that believe it or not, actually gives me pause as I lobby for Mariota.

      The better ending to this now rumor – filled story may be Jay Christopher Cutler stepping onto Soldier Field in December after a full season of wins, with the Halas Trophy in reach. A redemption story of triumph and validation finally surrounding our much embattled field general. If Jay is indeed our starter this season, that’s the ending I will root for all year.

      Conversely, after all that, I still believe, strongly, that letting Mariota go to the Titans, Eagles, Browns, whomever else, would be a short-sighted mistake. I think he is a great future winner in the NFL, and he is within reach. He is tomorrow, not today, and yes, he’s a risk.

      The two that were picked before Cutler are now yesterday’s news. They flopped. Many do. But MM is neither of those guys. He’s better. By a lot. And he can learn; he’s no one’s Vince Young. Young had the big arm, athleticism, etc. He won honors as a pro his 1st 2 years. He also had “issues” that ruined him.

      I believe we need to get Mariota for tomorrow. He has what it takes to become something very special, and as a bonus, he’s not nuts, a rapist, moody, selfish, an addict, or stupid.

      The bigger, more dangerous gamble is to just cross fingers and hope there is another QB available “when the Bears are ready”, which apparently only means when the Cutler contract is easier to eat, and all other needs are filled. For as close as we are to getting someone of Mariota’s smarts, character, and ability, if we can, then we must.

      The future at QB is only 5 steps up. I hope Pace can climb them without breaking a leg.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        If the Browns or Titans pick MM, then I’ll be exulted that we didn’t pick him. He will be a guaranteed bust at that point.

  • Scott W.

    That was a good piece Andrew, and welcome to the farm. Here, we harvest lunacy and produce medicated coherence.
    You’ve re-articulated several of the posts here pretty well. Not selling the farm for one guy has been a resounding theme.
    My pitch – since long before the Tennessee trade rumors were even an idea – is to grab our long term QB while we are close enough to do it.
    Mariota is either just out of reach, or just within. I think we can build the supporting cast in later rounds. Why not? Why do we need the other pieces to be taken high? With overwhelming historical evidence that Defense and offense can be adequately addressed after round 1, if it can be done WITHOUT selling the farm, then Marcus Mariota should be a Bear in 2015.

  • BerwynBomber

    Oh, man. Not this narrative again. Really, six years and three HCs later and we’re back to the Bears didn’t invest enough in Cutty’s supporting cast?

    Wow …

    • Scott W.

      The Bears careened through personnel and players like drunks in bumper cars. Yer right about this.

    • GPLDAN

      Agreed. It’s a Pollyanna article. Lacks any insight at all.

      While Hester and Knox were not serious wideouts at 1 and 2, there was much more to the narrative than Jay Cutler didn’t have good players on his teams.

      • Johnnywad

        There is insight here. The breakdown of the Bears’ draft selections dedicated to moving the football versus other teams was particularly interesting.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

        No wonder Jeff likes him.

    • Bender McLugh

      Um….you don’t believe that was the case the first three years he was here?

      • BerwynBomber

        No because a) that is the story, at some point, for nearly EVERY QB in the league, and b) even during the bad O years Cutty had, at minimum, Forte and/or Olsen, both of whom are highly skilled O skilled players, and top of the league STs and D’s that masked his shortcomings/flaws.

        Not saying the guy wasn’t dealt a crap O hand from time-to-time, but I don’t know if there is a team in the league that is constructed perfectly enough for Jay to “realize his full potential”. After nine years he is what he is.

        • Bender McLugh

          blinders my man, you haz them

          • BerwynBomber

            pot meet kettle …

          • Bender McLugh

            make me!

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      we have found ourselves a true JJ Web-Kellen Davis fan.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, because the “Cutler doesn’t have enough” excuses are beyond tired and legit, I’m a JWebb/KDavis fan. Air-tight logic there, Barbie.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Yeah…and just because I say JJ Wabb, Kellen Davis & Co were absolute bums…I’m a Cutler apologist.

          Fuck you crack whore.

          • BerwynBomber

            I didn’t accuse you of anything. I was only answering your stupid accusation. Frankly, I could give a shit what you are.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            And I was responding to your childish opinion that the narrative is about ‘Cutler’s supporting cast’.

            Fuck Cutler. Stop being obsessed with him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And let’s not pretend for a second that Mariota is likely to be anything other than Tim Tebow, if he’s lucky.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            His throwing is pathetic ? I haven’t heard such opinions.

  • BillW

    When I read the headline, I though “oh no.. here we go again with the Cutler excuses”. And I was wr..wron..wrong.

    The point really isn’t Cutler himself – it’s the philosophy of the team. Are you trying to build a team or plug in pieces? The Bears over the past two regimes (and longer probably) were simply plugging in pieces. Good teams – like Barb’s beloved Pats – BUILD.

    THAT is AD’s point, articulated VERY well in my opinion. Which I believe argues against trading up.

    “We’ve got this thing and it’s f-ing golden” to coin a phrase. The number 5 pick in the draft (non-QB edition). Let’s get this right and continue BUILDING!

    Great job, Andrew!

    • Sactowns#1

      I’m still going to bang the drum for trading down, getting an additional pick and building a team. I don’t want to see the team put all its eggs in one basket, or even 1/3 of our eggs in one basket. How about a dozen eggs and a dozen baskets?

      • BillW

        Yes – trading down does make sense. But that gets tricky too. (That’s how we got Rex).

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

        I’m.normally for trading down, But the bears are not picking in.the teens this year. For once, we might be able to draft a pber and not just merely a starter. Naturally, If some team wants to throw us their draft I’m all ears, but obviously that team would have to think very highly of a player we’re willing to pass on

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

      Depends what Bears give up. If it’s only Cutler and switching firsts, that’s not exactly selling the farm.
      Either that or we gotta root to suck like the Bucs or get extremely lucky like the Pats.
      And even getting a #1 AND a sb winning qb is still a bit of luck. Colts sucked the right year, Ram, Raiders, Chargers…not so much….

  • Bender McLugh

    instead of Landon Collins at SS, as he’ll not be taken at #7 but probably gone in the first round, what other Safeties are worth targeting in this draft? I can’t see the Bears not drafting one unless the talent pool is really that bad after Collins.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I think Jaquiski Tartt could fit the bill in round 3. I also think NU’s Ibrahim Campbell fits the mold of a Fangio S as a mid-round (3-5) target.

      • antityco

        Wow. I don’t follow college football, so I thought that you made that name up.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The ten-year safeties come in the first round. Probably. I’m tired of the mid-round lottery picks on safeties, that have never added up to anything, going on ten years now.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

      Here’s a pretty good summary of the S class. Spoiler alert, not impressive.

      The safety class in this year’s draft is not very strong. There is only one player worthy of a first round pick and that is Alabama safety Landon Collins. Most scouts feel there is only a handful of safeties who have a chance of becoming legitimate starters in the league. The consensus is that most of the class will be quality backups.

      http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/nfp-prospect-focus-adrian-amos-and-jaquiski-tartt/

      • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

        thanks

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

    “He will always be prone to turnovers, it doesn’t make him a bad quarterback, it makes him a flawed one. Every quarterback has flaws.”

    Lol that’s like a smoking hot chick telling u, “i only got one flaw…i got aids”

    And don’t forget the other minor flaw…that he’s no leader, or can’t go through progressions fast enough, or has trouble w crossing routes or. Throws back peddling…and pretty soon the smoking hot Cheryl turns into this

    https://youtu.be/ZHFp8s_R1LU

    • BearDown100393

      Unlike HIV, flawed quarterbacking cannot be subdued with large amounts of cash.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        Magic Johnson spent large amounts of cash to subdue his HIV.

        • BearDown100393

          Yes indeed. He had it ground up into a magic green serum and injected. Classic South Park episode.

    • BerwynBomber

      For all of the Cutty defenders bemoaning of endless Cutty debates they are far from guiltless when it comes to re-opening them. Makes me wonder if the Cutty topic results in more clicks and traffic for the site.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

        Guess Andrew didn’t receive Jeff’s decree about the Cutty Moratorium…

        • BerwynBomber

          Well Blogfather didn’t live by it either …

  • Trac

    2010 thru 2012 were good teams.

  • Sactowns#1

    So in other news, I ordered the Bears 1985 Tops team set for $17 on Amazon. I also got some card protectors. I wanted a way to RAK people I see driving around with Bears bumper stickers, lic plate holders etc. Gave away Willy Gault yesterday when I saw a Camry parked at my gym with DaBears on the back. Just put it under his wiper blade and went about my business. So question is- would the average fan appreciate a Willie Gault card or would they just think “what the hell is this crap?”

    • GPLDAN

      You’re like a fucked-up Johnny Appleseed with a George Halas vibe, spreading Bears cheer to fellow converts in the religion of the damned.

      Well done sir. All hail Ginny and Fuck the Pack!

    • Trac

      Aww, How sweet. Hero……hahaha

    • BearDown100393

      $17 for the ’85 Bears? Fairly certain that amount matches Ditka’s signing bonus.

    • BillW

      You got one with Calvin Thomas playing the saxophone?

    • Scott W.

      So where do I need to park? Heh.

      The “average” fan is unaware. Most fans will be danged happy, Mr. Appleseed.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      That is awesomely weird.

    • Irish Sweetness

      My old man had a few of those gift-box complete Topps baseball cards from that era. What are they worth now? $20 $200 ?

      • Sactowns#1

        $20-$40

  • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

    anyone catch Season 1 of Better Call Saul? So good, way better than expected. Odenkirk better got some recognition for this role.

    • GPLDAN

      It was really good. Michael “Spinal Tap” McKean as his shitbird brother was really good as well. The dynamic between the Cain and Abel parts of them was great.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      sometimes it’s great, other times is borderline boring…the last episode of the season was boring.

    • BearDown100393

      There is no show without Odenkirk. Deserves no less than a nomination for best actor. Johnathan Banks also should warrant a nomination for supporting actor. His back story in Philadelphia might have been the most compelling episode of the season.

    • Shady

      Chicago. Sunroof.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Illegal tint!!!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Mike stole the shoe for me.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Chicago Bears main problem was the lack of Defensive young talent.

    You can not draft much on Offense, but at least keep on adding valuable D pieces.

    At the end of the day bad drafting overall was/is the Bears weakness the past decade. Defense, Offense…it makes no difference.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

    Some other mid-round safeties worth exploring.

    FS Damarious Randall……..- http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/damarious-randall?id=2552389

    S Derron Smith……- http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/derron-smith?id=2552390

    SS Ibraheim Campbell….- http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/ibraheim-campbell?id=2552605

    They all make you cringe a little bit, but perhaps dual threat safeties like pocket QBs are disappearing thanks to the spread/read/pistol.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I hesitate to call Randall a mid-rounder. Some teams late in the 1st round have been taking a look at him. I saw a rumor on Twitter the other day that DAL thinks he’s the top S in the draft (they had him in for a pre-draft visit). IMO he’ll have to be Chicago’s 2nd round pick, if he’s even there at 39.

  • GPLDAN
    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

      “With a revitalized defense and some added weapons on a well coached team, the Bears can win with Cutler”
      Win what, a play-off game before getting booted by a D that recognizes Cutler’s deficiencies?
      Or is that writer expecting Cutler to magically reverse his 1-10 record vs Pack?
      Cutler hasn’t won vs the Pack since 2010, and this is what it took for him to “win” that game:

      “Cutler’s last victory against the Packers came in 2010, and in that
      outing, the quarterback completed just 59.3 percent of his throws for
      one touchdown and one interception and a passer rating of 82.5. The
      Bears used a 62-yard punt return by Devin Hester, a timely strip from
      Brian Urlacher and a Tim Jennings recovery to win the game 20-17 on Robbie Gould’s 19-yard field goal with four seconds left…Another notable from that game: officials flagged the Green Bay Packers 18 times”

      http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4695392/jay-cutler-looking-to-shake-futility-against-packers

      So yeah, as long as the refs go flag crazy and Hester, Urlacher, Jennings and Gould can do their thing – oh, wait…

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

        That being said, I’ll go on record for not trading up to #2 if we must give up more than our first and Cutty.
        Others might believe in Mariota that much, but I don’t. I think he’s going to be a huge project, and if Bridgewater were in this draft, he’d likely go ahead of him.

        I just don’t see that much of a difference in Mariota vs Petty/Grayson in the 2nd/3rd besides Mariota’s 40 time.

        Right now Mariota might be more dangerous, but 2-3 years from now will he be better than Petty or Grayson?

        • Scott W.

          Yes, he will be, if he lands with a team that really wants him and has the staff to bring him through puberty.

      • Johnnywad

        http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXyearsXX2010XXopp.htm&t=all_passing

        82.5 against that D. Pretty good. He beat most statistical averages on the season against them.

        • SC Dave

          Oh gawd.

          • Johnnywad

            What? It just makes me laugh that we’re bashing Cutler for a game he won in 2010 against the Packers. A game against what was the best passing defense in the league that season. He played better than most quarterbacks in the league that season against that team. But , its not enough because the defense and special teams played well enough to aid in the victory. There are plenty enough reasons to bash Cutler. That game isn’t one.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    Tillman won’t be back with the Bears, per Jeff Dickerson. Visiting with Carolina.

    I don’t know how I’m gonna handle seeing my 2 favorite Bears (Tillman and Marshall) in other uniforms this year. Hope Tillman retires.

    • SC Dave

      Give Matt a little love. He’s earned it.

    • BerwynBomber

      Once I saw Jordan in a Wiz uni I never again felt bummed about seeing a hometown hero in another jersey.

      I would actually like to see Peanut give it a go with another team. No hard feelings.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Tillman can still play. Re-singing him is a no brainer for me.

    • Scott W.

      A damned shame. Tillman is really special.
      Said it before. I hope he writes a book someday. Of every Bear on the roster, if I was still on a beat, he’d be the interview I would bust my ass to get.

  • Scott W.

    22 days out, I don’t think that in real life, we will draft a QB.
    I do think Mariota is the real deal, but the odds of the Bears drafting him are zero or less.

    Mayock just moved him above Winston, but even he knows that’s meaningless (“No one in their right minds listens to me”).

    I kept forgetting the Jets in my list of QB hungry teams too, so it’s a VERY expensive hike from 7 to 2, and the Bears should not go after a deal with TB. Ever.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I think they’ll draft a QB, just not in the first round.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

        Who do you think would fit Gase best in the later rounds?

        • GPLDAN

          What’s odd about that is that Data had some article earlier last year that said QBs in the 2nd or below almost never pan out (minus the huge Brady exception). So why would we take one?

          If there is a Titans trade parlay with the Eagles and a flush 7-pick draft, that is the Golden Ticket to Wonka’s factory. You draft all D and start Jimmy Pickle and rebuild the Monsters on D and then deal with O next year. Why anyone would not want that is beyond me.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            look at teams in similar situations (new HC/GM) with comparable QBs in the last 10 years:

            Seattle 2010 (old Matt Hasselbeck): traded a 3rd for Charlie Whitehurst in their 1st offseason as the heir apparent. Hasselbeck left after 1 year.

            SF 2011 (Alex Smith): drafted Colin Kaepernick in the 2nd round of their 1st draft as the heir apparent. Smith lasted 2 years, was benched halfway through his 2nd year as Kaepernick took over.

            OAK 2013 (Carson Palmer): drafted Terrell Pryor in the 3rd round of their 1st draft (supplemental) as the future at QB. Shipped Palmer away for peanuts after 1 year.

            STL 2010 (Mark Bulger): no major moves in the 1st offseason, Bulger left after 1 year and they drafted Sam Bradford 1st overall.

            In 3/4 similar situations they spent a 2nd or 3rd round pick in their 1st offseason to bring in the future at QB while keeping the incumbent around for at least 1 year. Seems to me that’s pretty likely to happen in Chicago too.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            in terms of who fits, I honestly have no idea. Gase has only been an OC with Peyton Manning. Before that he’s been a QB coach with a couple guys (old Kitna, Tebow), but he didn’t get to choose them, to the best of my knowledge.

            Pace has talked about looking for another Brees, but I don’t know exactly what that means. I honestly haven’t watched any film on QBs in this years’ class, so I’m not going to start talking about who I like.

          • Scott W.

            Jahns said Gase’s longevity would be the key factor in developing Mariota, and he figures Gase to get a HC gig sooner, not later.

          • BerwynBomber

            Bulger would have been decent had he been able to stay healthy but the dude was glass.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

            Especially given Cutler’s contract. It’s playing it safe. Keep the vet. Groom the rook.

            However, in a city that’s trying to ride Cutler out of town, the media would have a frenzy every time Cutler throws one of his patented Big-Fella INTs.

            They were already hounding Emery/Tresty about benching Cutler last year almost midway through the season, and that was with CLAUSEN as the back-up. Imagine if Mariota is sitting on the bench while Cutler sulks with his cap backwards after a red-zone INT?

            I think you’d begin to hear Mariota chants at Soldier Field (or even some away games!)

          • Scott W.

            “Keep the vet. Groom the rook.”

            That was exactly what I had in mind.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And maybe we suck this season under a Clausen/Fales. Good. Better draft picks next year. Following season, you turn on the burners.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

            Maybe we can follow the SEA blue-print. Take one in the top of the 3rd.
            That way we can still build the team with blue-chip ballers, while gambling on a relative low-impact 3rd (If a team can find a good player in the 3rd, no reason why they can’t in the 4rth).

            The key is simply to hit on the draft. Gotta score 7 year starters with the 1-2, and hopefully find another gem in the rest of the draft.

            Realistically, a PB with #7, a border-line PB in the 2nd, and another starter 3-5 and some special teamers/depth in the 6-7th/UFDA.

            By some accounts, either Grayson/Petty/Hundley/Mannion will be there for us in the 3rd.

            Personally, I think Grayson is going in the early second, Petty after him, while Hundley/Mannion most likely in the 3rd.

            Grayson interests me in the 2nd-3rd and Mannion after that, perhaps in the 3rd.

            However, this would mean skipping on some serious talent elsewhere. Usually in the 3rd a team can snatch some draft prospects who fell who shouldn’t.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            that only works if you really hit on a QB in the 3rd. Not to mention Wilson didn’t show up until 2012, and they had already landed a bunch of studs in 2010 and 2011 that set up their D for its current run.

          • Scott W.

            I have been kinda using the Favre/Rodgers model.

      • Scott W.

        Ok. Yer on the floor.
        Which ones do you think would be keepers for us, and in what round, do you think they’ll go?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Why have we given up on Fales? He needs some reps, that’s all. He could be good.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agreed. I also think the Titans/Bears rumors are just that … rumors (of the unconfirmed stripe). Why would the Titans move on Cutty now when they could have done so before the March deadline? Mind, if ANYONE approaches the Bears with a Cutty deal, Pace will be all ears. But can’t see that happening this late. And can’t see Mariota falling to #7 either.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

        I also don’t know why the Titans wouldn’t prefer Rivers (as long as Rivers commits). Or even Bradford and a bundle of picks for that matter. I don’t believe in Bradford, but a team can convince themselves that he just needs a chance.

        That cannot be said for Cutlers. Apparently, every team has closed the book on him.
        However, it only takes one…

        • BerwynBomber

          Oh, believe me. I would love for those Titans rumors to be true, but yeah, can’t see the logic behind them.

          Good points about Rivers and Bradford. The team that would have been a nice Cutty fit was CLE. TENN too but that #2 pick can make a guy like Cutty redundant (if they go Mariota). Still semi-amazed that McCown was the first QB FA signed.

        • Scott W.

          Maybe the Jets will want him for a Marshall/Cutty tandem.
          No, wait…

        • BillW

          It certainly would seem that the league has closed the book on Cutler. That’s astounding to me – given the dearth of decent QBs.

          And objectively Cutler is no worse than a decent QB. I’ve often said if any set of fans know what a bad QB looks like, we do. He’s not a bad QB.

          It can’t be just the contract. It gets more favorable as time goes on.

          And it’s not like he is locker room trouble. Or off field issues. He’s the opposite.

          So what exactly is it? My cynical and analytic minds both tell me there is something there we don’t know.

          Is it even possible that Pace and Fox really DO believe in Cutler? That actually makes the most sense.

          • BerwynBomber

            Good points. The only thing I can think of is that the coach-killer rep is cemented and the potential of Cutler is no longer worth the risk of trying to fulfill it. But yes, it is baffling that a team like CLE would not view Cutler worthy of a two year trial but instead opt for a McCown/Manziel combination.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s amazing how the current future – David Fales – just gets completely ignored. They clearly have faith in him – he’s the development project. Doesn’t that take a couple of seasons? Why have we written him off?

          • Big Mike

            My guess is he’s probably not that good.

          • BillW

            Fox knows Jimmy Pickle. I assume he’ll be on the roster. Like others, I suspect Pace will draft a QB down the line. But he’ll be a project like Fales. And as you say, there is no evidence that Fales can’t make it.

            With so much else to deal with, why waste time on a competition for third string QB?

          • Scott W.

            David Fales is Doug Flutie short by today’s standards, and has small hands.
            He’s rep material, but not an NFL stud QB.

          • Big Mike

            He’s toxic this year, because of Trestman, Kromer, Marshall and so on. If he puts up a year like he did in any of the last few seasons, except last year, next year the Bears will have multiple offers for him.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

            I really think that Saints game was the final nail in his career. If Cutler had been in the military, he would’ve been shot for insubordination.

            Yes, a lot of the team quit (and they should be dumped). Ironically, Marshall was one of the few who never quit. Goes to show maybe valor in the face of certain defeat must be a little mad.

            However, Cutler is the QB. He’s supposed to be that guy who wraps himself in the flag and flings himself off the cliff instead of the enemy capturing it. He’s supposed to be the captain going down with the ship not the sailor bumping women and children out of the way to make room for himself on a lifeboat.

            Why would any team want that as a franchise QB?

          • Big Mike

            I don’t believe half of what has been written and speculated about the N.O. game. My feelings is that even if the worse was true, it was a reflection on Trestman. Who will in my book be the biggest disgrace in the history of the franchise. My vitriol for him is worse than MB’s hatred of our white, slow, broken, bad angle taking safeties. How bad must it have been that Jay Cutler who I see as a tough son of a bitch, just laid down. (I don’t think he did, but let’s just suppose). This is a man who has taken beatings for the Bears.

            My belief is that one average Jay Cutler season out of him next year, will look fantastic in comparison and boost his trade value significantly. Plenty of teams will be interested.

      • Scott W.

        My best guess is Mariota will be a Titan.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

    Tra Waynes highlights. Wow. Kid is aggressive (sometimes overly handsy). Highlights don’t even really show what he does best, which is bump at the line. Needs to gain about 10 pounds, but plays like he weighs 220. That’s what we need. An aggressive defender who can match up with Cobb/Nelson and the new wave ODBs…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGqHUi6ZsWM

    • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

      first I’ve really seen of him, immediately thought Al Harris….then saw the text below the video calling himself Al Harris. I’d have to agree, long strong arms, tackles well and great cover skills. Can we please get both Collins & Waynes?

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

        Perhaps what impresses me most about Waynes is his aggressiveness. He’s got confidence. Gonna need that vs Rogers, megatron…Waynes and Fuller with Jennings in the slot could help out our pass rush. Fangio can get more creative/exotic if he trusts they can hold it down for a second longer.

        I like Fowler and Beasley, but don’t think they’ll be at #7. Ray as a pass rusher just – not as sold anymore after his combine. Gregory all kinds of red flags. Scherff – na. No OG at #7.
        WR I can see – Cooper or White.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

    A very late rounder (6th-7th) I might take a flyer on is Connor Halliday. Needs to gain about 20 pounds, but he’s 6’3 and looks like a traditional pocket passer (with some wiggle). Plays aggressive, and looks like he has a solid arm. Some of these are NFL throws. Darts, hitting guys in stride, on the move, between windows, some touch, etc…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yhFSt-xw4E

    • Big Mike

      no flyers. Need bodies that can contribute.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

        3/4rths of those 6/7th rounders rarely make the rosters that originally drafted them. They tend to be training camp fodder, but I hear ya. We esp need help on sp teams, but did you check out the vid on Halliday?
        He looks like an NFL QB to me. He’s only dropping because he had a horrible 2013 season (22 INTs) and a broken ankle, but when looking at QBs you just gotta examine his mentality, if he hangs in the pocket and is able to make NFL throws accurately.
        To me, he showed potential. I’d prefer him as a UFDA, but a 7th round flier? Hm, I would (then again, we still have Fales).

        • Big Mike

          Fales should be better than any 6-7 round guy coming out this year, right? Or was that another Tremery bust. Let’s not kid ourselves, late round QBs are at best ok career backups. Go find some wrong sized football players Tweeners that will play lights out special teams.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

            Fales was projected from 4-6th, if I remember correctly, so he’s probably along the same draft position as Halliday except Halliday is coming off an inj. But IMO, Halliday has the QB frame (6’3) and much better arm. He’s also aggressive and tough. But Halliday can very well become a priority UFDA.
            Yup, I know. The Martz 6th round QB special.
            I think a team has to invest in them though, but most just discard them after a year.
            I would like to see Fales, but the brain trust didn’t play him even in junk time last year.

          • Big Mike

            I hate late round QBs. So there I said it. It’s just a roulette wheel. You’ve got a better chance with a QB who is early in his career who has been discarded for whatever reason, by his team. Find a guy who needs a break. I think we have a guy like that in Clausen. I’m telling you go get some guys who will kill it on ST. Undersized LBs, DEs, with some speed. Great college players who are just “too small” in the eyes of the experts, who have a burning passion to play ball, who have high football IQs etc.

          • willbest

            Isn’t that true for most QBs?

          • Big Mike

            Statistically, you have much better odds with an early round pick.

          • SC Dave

            Like good old Bill Bates… I hate(d) the Dallas Cowboys, but you had to like that guy.

          • Big Mike

            Exactly!!!!

    • BerwynBomber

      His pocket presence/movement reminds me a bit of Rivers. Yeah, he might be worth a late round flyer if we don’t take a QB in an earlier round.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

        That’s a good comparison. He’s fearless, and sometimes TOO aggressive, but gotta like that in a QB. Also, great arm and can throw on a rope.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          “He’s fearless, and sometimes TOO aggressive, but gotta like that in a QB”

          That’s funny, I’ve spent most of the offseason listening to people say “DUMP CUTLER, HE TURNS IT OVER TOO MUCH!”

          Those are 2 ways of saying the exact same thing.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

            Cutler isn’t a 6th round rookie flyer costing a cheetos bag. Cutler already has proven he can’t be coached-up. Maybe Halliday can.
            Plus, this guy looks like he can actually hit ppl in stride and over the middle.
            Not saying he’s the next Brady, but from the late rd QBs, I prob like him most.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            I get what you’re saying, I just find that particular dichotomy humorous.

            Like when people say they want to dump Cutler and bring back McCown because Cutler turns it over too much, conveniently ignoring that McCown turns it over more.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    tIs there an OLB at 7 that can play ILB ?

    I was always in awe with Jamie Collins ever since he’s been drafted. He’s been a high school QB (successful one it seems), then switched to S in college, them LB, them OLB. Now he’s playing ILB and he’s spectacular in all phases.

    Now I understand drafting a player that high means you’ll never change his position, but my post isn’t about that. My post is a question…does any of the main OLBs have ILB skills or experience ?

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      he went right after Jon Bostic. Uggh.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Chandler Jones-Jamie Collins instead of McClellin-Bostic. Which one ‘hurts’ more ?

        I think that’s the advantage when you run multiple type Defenses scheme instead of a clear cut Defense.

        When you’re looking for guys that can do different things you can put them in a position to succeed and basically buy time until they become real players and set themselves in a defined position.

        Jamie Collins played in some limited sets and on Special teams his first year.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          Both Bostic and McClellin are guys who have that versatility. The problem is they haven’t been very good at anything so far. Dunno whether that’s more coaching or them.

          • SC Dave

            Maybe we’ll get our answers this season

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            lets hope we don’t.

            wasted resources for minimal gain.

          • AlbertInTucson

            McClellin has played under 2 regimes.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            that’s true, but he was out of position in the first one and has really only had a chance with the 2nd one.

      • Big Mike

        🙁

    • DaMurph

      Brian Urlacher was drafted to play outside, he wasnt very good at it. The rest is history.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

      I think both Shane Ray and Beasley can play ILB.
      Kendricks looks like a beast. Great instincts, can cover, knack for turnovers….problem is, he played at 6’0 220, but I think that perhaps he can play ILB. I would love him at the top of the 2nd.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        If Beasley can play ILB he’s the man for me.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

          Beasly and Keuchly’s combine #s are twins.
          Ray has the mentality and instincts, but is smaller and slower.

          • SC Dave

            Kendricks’ on-field results are a close twin of Keuchly’s. And I take on-field performance over silly combine shit 10,000 times out of 10,000.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

            Manti Teo

  • BillW

    There are only 2 QBs in the draft that project to be impact players. And the way things go, it’s quite possible only one (or neither) will actually become one.

    It’s been said that teams can’t consistently compete for a championship without an impact QB. Certainly seems that way. Seems like either you need a great QB or a great defense. And not just a great dfense – almost historically great.

    And yet the rules continue to favor passing. Making the extremely rare commodity even more important. Rendering 20 or more teams essentially out of the SB competition.

    I’ve thought for several years this is the league’s biggest on-field issue. Fans are in love with passing stats; running is forgotten and runners) are seen as replaceable parts. There simply doesn’t seem to be any new “46”-like wrinkles in defense anymore to slow the top QBs down. If anything, the rule changes make it near impossible to shut down the passing game week after week.

    I have no real point to this other than to remind myself that while football in my mind is a near perfect game, it’s no longer being played the way I used to like it.

    • Big Mike

      There will be at least 2 impact QBs drafted this year. We just don’t know who they are.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        I don’t know that I’d say there will be at least 2 impact QBs.
        How many impact QBs are in the NFL right now? When they’re drafted, they last 15+ years. There aren’t 30 impact QBs right now.

        • Big Mike

          You have a higher bar for “impact”. I see where you are coming from. My point is there will be at least one surprise rookie QB next year who’s “impact” is far greater than pundit’s predict.

  • BillW

    Peanut visiting Chico and the Panthers. I’d hate to see him play for anyone else but he certainly deserves to give it another try if that’s what he wants.

  • Sactowns#1

    I’m fairly certain the Bears will NEVER draft a quality QB in the first 2 rounds. We could have gotten Jimmy Garappolo last year and instead took Ego Ferguson. I think that’s the clearest example of going out of the way to NOT draft a QB. It was ridiculous.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      Who says Garappolo is going to be any good? And why on Earth would they have drafted a QB that high last year given the investment they just made in Cutler?

      • AlbertInTucson

        That’s the “New England drafted him so he MUST be good” concept.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

          They have just won the SB, and have won 4 in the brady/bill era (not to mention barely lost two other SBs)
          A lot of ppl liked Garappolo, but the Pats also tried to poach Fales from our practice squad, so who knows?
          The Gmen’s back up was also liked a lot coming out of college (Ryan Nassib).
          And naturally, Mike Glennon.

    • Irish Sweetness

      POX won’t draft a QB in the first. It’s their first big buy-in. Fox will want to set the tone with the Fangio defense and he’ll have a statement pick in the first. Somebody they believe may be a defensive game-changer.

    • Trac

      Really. What was “beast” Emery thinking? Hee hee

  • Irish Sweetness

    I just saw an interview/highlights with/of Mariota. My first time. This Tebow kid? This child? #7 pick … betting he’s the man for 10 years? Nah. Likely not. Pass.

    Draft me a gorilla that’s going to Fuck. People. Up.

    • Scott W.

      No. He’s not ready now, man. But in 2-3 years, He’s going to be a fighter.
      That’s what’s appealing to me. The future, not this season.

    • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

      has he been through the paces with Gruden yet?

  • Irish Sweetness

    I’d never seen Louis CK’s TV show. Just started watching season 4 episode 1. First scene. The noisy binmen working outside when Louis is trying to sleep. They break in through his window. I’m a fan.

  • Irish Sweetness

    This Sean Mannion kid is a lovely passer. Anyone seen him play? Would he be there in the third?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0W0MnAS_Kc

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I’ve seen him projected anywhere from 3rd to 6th/7th.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Oregon State did not play U of AZ this season.

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    Probably not the first to say this, but here’s a fond farewell to my favorite bear since Walter. So long Peanut. Hope you have fun in Carolina and may your bust one day be in Canton. Thanks for the memories.

    • BillW

      I’m torn. Like Jeff, I feel he should never have worn another jersey. But really it’s up to him if he wants to try it somewhere else. Sadly, he’ll probably fail, but I get the fact he needs to know it for sure before he hangs it up.

      A lot of athletes end their careers somewhere else. No one ever remembers those seasons.

      I think the front office was fair to Peanut and even said he will retire a Bear (one day contract thing). In the meantime they have a team to build.

      • SC Dave

        They will let him retire a bear if he wants it

        • Big Mike

          Yes, I was pleased to hear that. Good luck to Peanut. Wishing him the best. But most likely he’s done by week 8. Old man injuries, just happen. Can’t stop’em.

  • BillW

    “Keep the vet. Groom the rook.”
    Good advice.

    Almost as good as:
    Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

    • GPLDAN

      Fuck the Rosato brothers.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Frankie “5 Angels” Pentangeli: “They do violence in their own neighborhood.”

        • Trac

          Jeff sounds like Fredo. Hahaha

  • GPLDAN

    Sickening. RT @caplannfl: #Panthers are expected to sign veteran CB Charles Tillman, per league source.

    It’s not sickening. It’s pragmatic new leadership, Jeff. You being the one who would have given Lack more money and re-signed Kreutz.

    This is Kreutz part 2. He won’t make it half a season as a Panther unless he is 2nd string.

    Not everybody gets the Carlton Fisk Harley at home plate. When it’s his time to hang it up, I am sure the front office will handle it right. Don’t get carried away.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Sickening” is definitely hyperbole in this case.

      I would substitute “Disappointing”.

      The disppointment, for me, is with Peanut, not with the Bears.

      The Bears, talented-wise, are in NO position to do a farewell tour.

      Tillman’s body sent a clear message with the same body part failing twice in rapid succession.

      The Bears HAD to heed that message.

      • BearDown100393

        Why cannot Tillman continue to play? It is his career. Not yours or mine. The Bears don’t want him and Carolina does. Pro football is business.

        • AlbertInTucson

          True enough. I hope it’s not another case of “Stayed too long at the fair>” or worse, his body sneds another, nasty message to him.

    • Shady

      He probably got a deal from Carolina that would have been insulting had it been offered by the Bears.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Pretty sure we don’t play Carolina this year, it would break my heart to see the Peanut Punch used against us.

  • Shady

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    “Love idea that “Peanut is done, leave him to OTHER teams”. Other team went 13-3 a year ago & field top 5 defense. They have no issue!”

    Jeff is wearing his homer hat proud today. It’s 2015 boss, not 2012. Peanut simply doesn’t fit with what the Bears are trying to build, there’s no reason to force a square peg into a round hole. Joining Rivera’s Panthers on the other hand makes a ton of sense and I wish him all the best.

    • BearDown100393

      {General comment not directed at any particular posters} I never understood why some fans felt an athlete “owed it” to them to retire {as a fill in the blank} instead of moving on to another team.

      • AlbertInTucson

        We’re fans. We’re always looking for the happy ending.

        The Bears made the right calls on Lach (nobody else wanted him much, either) and Kreutz (Signed with the Saints but had to hang it up after just 4 games).

      • Scott W.

        I don’t think he “owes” it to fans at all. On any level.
        However, I do wish there was a system in place that allowed players like Peanut to finish at “home” if he chooses too without cap and contract issues.

        • BearDown100393

          Now that is an interesting concept.

          • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

            yeah I like it

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 85Bears4eva(akaButchDeadlift)

    In regards to Beasley playing ILB, check out his profile compared to Keuchly’s. They’re almost identical.

    Keuchly

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/luke-kuechly?id=2533056|

    Beasley

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/vic-beasley?id=2552301

    Naturally Keuch had much more experience on the inside (instincts/technique), but i think Beasly would project well at ILB and pass rusher.

  • BerwynBomber

    No issue with Peanut wearing another jersey. It was time to move on. Wish him well with Carolina and Chico.

    • BillW

      He may not even get to opening day. Not health wisw. Just may decide during camp he doesn’t have it.

      Maybe just wanted to prove to himself there was a team willing to sign him.

      Unlike Lach.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Don’t give a shit about salary cap nonsense. Peanut Tillman should have never worn another jersey.”

    Ludicrous.

    The Bears HAVE to “…give a shit about salary cap nonsense.”

    • Scott W.

      There should be a better, more pragmatic system in place for players like Peanut to finish with their team.
      It is ludicrous that he has to leave to finish.

  • AlbertInTucson

    OK. So, Tiger shot 1 over today. The test for him is tomorrow. He hasn’t had consecutive decent rounds in a major in ages.

    • Shady

      He’s certainly worth keeping an eye on tomorrow, it’s only a matter of time before he’s feeling better and finds his happy place again. Jordan Spieth’s game seems well suited for Agusta and I expect him to be in contention on Sunday, but there are some big names well within striking distance who will once again put all kinds of pressure on the 21 year old. Hopefully he holds up this time.

      • Scott W.

        Tiger makes me cringe a little when he drops his club, cusses, gets dramatic, etc.
        I’m not offended, it makes me wonder if he can hold his focus or get back on track.

        • willbest

          Pretty sure we are watching the end.

          • Scott W.

            What’s weird is that he won 5 times in 2013. And even he didn’t really care because none were majors.

        • Shady

          Don’t forget about the world #1:

          http://fat.gfycat.com/FewLastingBat.gif

          • Scott W.

            Heh…I’d forgotten that gem. Trump had a diver retrieve it, and gave it back to him.
            And Europe’s Ryder Cup darling…

            Sergio Garcia spits: https://youtu.be/DS6dA6ngKok

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          he has done that his entire career. when he was winning no one noticed or the cameras did not focus on it, now it stands out.

    • Big Mike

      …. the number of f’s given.

    • BearDown100393

      As Jake would say, “Don’t care.”

    • Scott W.

      He’s had 2 consecutive decent rounds in a few since the debacle, but collapses on Saturday.

      Not sure Spieth can do it for 3 more, but hope he can.

  • Scott W.

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