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Bears Fall to Lions in Overtime, Drop to 2-4: Rapid Fire!

| October 19th, 2015

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Social media was aghast yesterday in the wake of the Bears 37-34 overtime loss to the Detroit Lions. It seemed everybody wanted to assign blame. The truth is everybody on the Bears sideline was somewhat responsible.

  • If John Fox doesn’t make a zillion mistakes managing this game (the most egregious, in my opinion, is detailed below) they probably win the game.
  • If the Bears finish their drives down around the goal line, they win the game.
  • If Jay Cutler hits Matt Forte on the wide open wheel route that looks destined for the end zone, they probably win the game.
  • If the Bears catch a few balls they dropped, including pivotal ones by Martellus Bennett and Marquess Wilson, they probably win the game.
  • If Pernell McPhee doesn’t rough Matt Stafford, they probably win the game.

But let’s remember. If the Lions don’t fumble two punts, the Bears aren’t even getting this game near overtime. Fans have been fooled by their quarterback’s heroics over the last three weeks into believing this is suddenly a good team. It is not. And we learned that definitively Sunday.

  • Bears secondary is the worst in football. And any team with the capacity to chuck it deep, as Stafford and Carson Palmer did, will exploit that. Oddly enough there aren’t many teams that play long ball left on the Bears schedule.
  • People were CLAMORING for Sherrick McManis to get playing time. The only thing that happens when Sherrick McManis gets playing time is you end with Sherrick McManis on the field. Lance Moore, who I didn’t know was still in the league, dominated him.
  • Guess we’re moving Kyle Fuller back into the concern column.
  • Adrian Amos is a player. Terrific closing speed and packs a punch when he gets there. With the play of he, Langford and Goldman, Ryan Pace’s first draft is starting to look solid.
  • Give McPhee a pass for roughing Stafford. The guy out there on an island trying to take over games. Bears primary motivation this off-season needs to be supplying this guy with pass rush help. He’s getting none.
  • Martellus Bennett’s performance art during the week would be much cuter if he caught the ball on Sunday.
  • Still don’t understand how Tate’s touchdown gets reversed. But, then again, I’ve lost complete touch with the rulebook and so have the officials.
  • Has Jeremiah Ratliff made a play yet?
  • Welcome back, Alshon Jeffery. Hell of a catch in the end zone.
  • So Jay Cutler’s last three drives in regulation have been: (1) setting up a game-winning field goal to beat Oakland. (2) Going the length of the field for a game-winning touchdown to beat Kansas City. (3) Ripping up the Lions down the right sideline, with twenty-one second remaining, set up a chip shot field to tie the Lions and send the game to overtime. Ummm…this is amazing. Nobody in the league this season has done anything approaching this. Think you’ll hear about it from the folks covering the NFL? (Spoiler alert: you won’t.)

WHERE JOHN FOX LOST THE GAME

Jim Caldwell kicks a field goal to cut the Bears lead to four points. Bears receive kickoff with about two and a half minutes left. John Fox decides to run three give-up plays. He didn’t let Adam Gase give the Lions pass looks and run out of them. He lined up and ran the ball into the middle of the defense. He admitted later all he wanted to do was get Caldwell to use his timeouts. Folks across Twitter referred to this as Fox’s “conservative” approach. This approach is not conservative. This approach is stupid. Here’s why:

  • The timeouts don’t matter. With the way the Bears secondary had played all day how can Fox not know that more than two minutes was plenty of time for the Lions to score a touchdown?
  • Fox chose to let his defense decide the game and not his offense. How could any human being watching the events of the game transpire think this was a sound football approach? Jay Cutler is the best player on the team. Why would you take the ball out of your best player’s hands and put the game on the shoulders of the worst secondary in the league?
  • You only need twenty yards! Twenty yards ends the game! How does the head coach walk into meeting rooms this week when he acknowledged on the field he didn’t trust his offense to get twenty yards?!?!

Fox is a running game/defense coach. Well too bad. The strength of the Bears is their passing attack. Sooner Fox acknowledges that, the more success the team will have in year one.

OVERALL THOUGHT

The Bears aren’t good. But if their quarterback stays healthy they might actually make a run to 7-9, 8-8. The best development for the 2015 edition of this team is Jay Cutler’s development under center. Through six games, he’s carrying the team.

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  • Viva

    Yes.

    • The Yes Guy

      NO!!!!!!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yes Guy, I had hope for you … but you failed us.

        • BearDown100393

          …for the last time, Yes Guy.

    • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

      i needed a laugh to start my week. This did it.

    • You’re stealing Yes Guy’s shtick.

      He has so little!

  • Irish Sweetness

    We lost to an 0-5 team. Penalties, play-calling, refusal to blitz … all just excuses. We had every opportunity to beat them and we didn’t.

    Good to see Anderson stepping up, he deserves more snaps.

    One more year.

  • Scharfinator

    It was an ugly game, but someone had to win it. Obviously, today, we’d rather be 3-3. But if we are that bad, maybe losing to the primary 1st pick opposition is a bit of a silver lining? If anyone should beat us, it is the horrible teams that will clear us a lane to #1 pick.

  • “Fox chose to let his defense decide the game and not his offense. How could any human being watching the events of the game transpire think this was a sound football approach?”

    Couldn’t have said it any better.

    • Viva

      Fox got beat by fucking Caldwell. The same Caldwell who should have gone for it on 4th down but instead kicked a FG (unless of course Caldwell was banking on Fox being as big a pussy).

      • BillW

        You may have nailed it. Caldwell expected Fox to give the ball back and he knew the pass rush was bad and the secondary weak. I have to say that was in fact good coaching (relative to his opposition).

        What fries me is how the 10 second runoff actually helped the Lions. I understand not declining it because they were all in on preventing the td. But that comes back to putting the game in the hands of their weakest unit

      • SC Dave

        No, the Bears got beat by the Lions.

  • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

    I could name 10things in less than 30 seconds that made this game brutal but i’ll stick with one aspect to keep it simple. At the end, when you needed a first down to win the game you had 2 chances.

    1.Royal dropping that crossing route and Bennett not getting the first down was disappointing. The Bears not sneaking the ball with one of the toughest motherfuckers on the team?????? Even more disappointing. Let Cutler get that 6 inches and fucking win the damn game.

    2.The 3 pussy run calls were brutal. The up the gut runs slanted to left of center had been getting blown the fuck up all game so we run 3 in a row. I’m not against running the ball but more importantly, there are about a hundred other ways to get Forte the ball that will keep the clock running that don’t fucking involve running up the gut to get 1yard and burning 20seconds off the clock in 3plays. get the ball outside the tackles and you fucking win the game.

    I’ll ignore the other glaringly obvious fuckups, bullshit calls, poor gameplanning, dropped passes, defense giving up six 70yd drives at will at anytime for any reason, red zone INT, bullshit reversal of a fumble and a special teams fuckup on a cataclysmic level.

    Holy Fuck

    • Viva

      Rule Number 1 at Marine Infantry Officer Course:

      1. DO NOT BE A PUSSY AT THE POINT OF ATTACK.

      Fox violated rule number 1 yesterday and he team was beat as result.

      Dear John,

      Stop being a pussy.

      Viva

    • Irish Sweetness

      Is it just me, or does nobody else tink we should have been blitzing that fool like everyone else did?

  • “The strength of the Bears is their passing attack. Sooner Fox acknowledges that, the more success the team will have in year one.”

    He had Peyton Manning for 3 years and never acknowledged that.

    • T’Challa

      As well as Jay has played these last 3 weeks, I would not want this offense to become pass happy. I believe the success that Jay has had is due because of the running game. Too many passes eual bad Jay in my opinion.

      As far as the serious before the 2 minute warning in the 4th was horrible. Three straight runs up the middle was predictable and very defensible.

      • A balanced offense is key. They went run-happy, and it ruined the offense. I just posted a ton of stats on this up top.

  • It’s not just the end of game. It’s OT too. They took the ball out of Cutler’s hands until 3rd and long forced it on every OT possession. never gave the O a chance to go out and win the game.

    Pathetic.

    • Of Chicago’s final 4 drives, the only one where they didn’t take the ball out of Cutler’s hands was the desperation last-gasp FG drive, where he marched them 69 yards in under 20 seconds.

      Then they get to OT and take the ball back out of his hands. Indefensible.

      • Viva

        Bingo.

      • AlbertInTucson

        If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, Coach.

  • Prior to that defeatist decision to run-run-run-punt with over 2 minutes left, the Bears had gained 20 or more yards* on every meaningful drive in the game except 2.

    *Excludes end of 1st half and drives where they scored without needing 20+ yards.

  • BTW, I complained about this very nature of John Fox when the Bears hired him.

    He’s a good program coach, he gets your team headed in the right direction and keeps them competitive, but he is terrible in game.

  • Viva

    Fuck the bye-week.

  • Trac

    Well MB, there’s always Rugby. Right? Go New Afrika, or is it Suid Zealand?

  • Trac

    I’ve got nothing but oh what a mess yesterday was.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    All we needed was a first down. Just a first down and we could have run out the clock…3 Run plays up the middle and a punt. That is not only on Fox/Gase, that is also on Jay, he should audible if the play call makes no sense. Also, the refs in that game was the worst crew I had seen so far this season, it was like they were instructed to give the Lions a win, since they were the only team in the league that had not had one yet… On the final TD I saw one of the Lions Linemen practically tackle a Bear form behind going after Stafford…I jumped outta my chair yelling “Holding! Holding!…there was a ref standing in the back plan as day…no flag. Sucks.

    • Scharfinator

      From what I understand, Jay’s ability to audible has been drastically reduced in this system. However, he could have burned a time after they lined up (since Det had already stopped the clock).

    • No, we do NOT need Jay to go “rogue” again.

      But I agree with everything else wholeheartedly.

  • The GP

    Watching that game was football purgatory. You wanted it to end, but it kept going.

    Let’s put aside the coaching and field general mistakes and talk about the Tate catch.

    The Tate catch, and I’m not trying to go full hyperbole here – the Tate catch is ruining football. You can’t go back a few years and look at the Megatron catch in the south endzone where he steps through and then SETS the ball down and have the ruling be he didn’t complete the catch and then put that side by side with the Tate catch and say he took two steps (he didn’t by the way, go and watch) and broke the plane, etc.

    This now smacks of refs applying the Justice Stevens Pornography test: I know it when I see it.

    It REALLY does feel as if the NFL is adjudicating football on a ex-post-facto basis. That they cannot go into a game with a prescribed set of rules and say “this is this, that is that” – it’s all just “let’s see what happens and we will tell you what we think.”

    All the refs on the field called touchback. Mike Pereria back in referee land called it a touchback. The head ref overruled these decisions.

    Kyle “beat me like an abused dog” Fuller got dropped for two steps, but at LEAST he got that hand in there and STRIPPED that ball PRIOR to the 2nd foot coming all the way down, and based on the Megatron rule that was not a completion of a catch. Unless the Megatron rule is no more.

    Nobody knows any more. The sport is the near definition of arbitrary.

    • CanadaBear

      As far as I’m concerned, I never want to hear a Loins fan cry about the Megatron TD/not a TD ever again. The slate is even.

      • beninnorcal

        When they do cry, point to this play. Is was the refs way of paying them back. It was bullshit and it decided the game.

        • Irish Sweetness

          We had plenty of opportunities to put that team away.

        • CanadaBear

          I agree Ben but the refs were hideous all day for both teams. The Bears got the worst of it by far but if ever there was a season to get a bunch of bad calls out of the way, this is it.

    • BearDown100393

      If I can’t watch the game, I can’t watch the game. If I’m hurt, I’m hurt. I mean… simple as that. It ain’t about that… I mean it’s.. It’s not about that… At all. You know what I’m saying I mean… But it’s…it’s easy… to, talk about. It’s easy to sum it up when you’re just talking about watchin’ the game. We’re sitting here, and I’m supposed to be the Draft Kings champion, and we in here talking about watchin’ the game. I mean, listen, we’re talking about watching the game, not Draft Kings, not Draft Kings, not Draft Kings, we talking about watchin’ the game. Not Draft Kings. Not, not… Not Draft Kings, that I go login and die for and spend every nickel like it’s my last. Not Draft Kings, but we’re talking about watchin’ the game, man. I mean, how silly is that?…. And we talking about watchin’ the game. I know I supposed to be logged in. I know I’m supposed to lead by example… I know that… And I’m not.. I’m not shoving it aside, you know, like it don’t mean anything. I know it’s important, I do. I honestly do… But we’re talking about watchin’ the game, man. What are we talking about? Watchin’ the game? We’re talking about watchin’ the game. We ain’t talking about Draft Kings. We’re talking about watchin’ the game, man. When you come over to my house, and you see my at the computer, you see me on Draft Kings don’t you? You’ve seen me give every dollar I’ve got, righ? But we’re talking about watchin’ the game right now. We talking about wat….

      • Willie

        This is the best thing I’ve read in a long time.

        • MB30SD

          stop playing with my emotions!

          • Willie

            I’m kinda back! Back enough to read comments. I see you still hate pop-tarts. I’m in the loop!

          • MB30SD

            cheater.

            I don’t hate them. I love them… but they will kill me if I eat them.

      • MB30SD
    • Irish Sweetness

      Normally I say when people blame the refs, they just need somebody to blame. The best team usually wins. But I though the officiating in that game – and I could care less about who got steamed – ruined it to the point of farce, and it is worse than ever. It is the one main reason why the sport has no adopted international support. They spend more time talking about what happened, then actually playing the game. A one hour game takes 3.5 hours to play. There’s something wrong with that if you are observing from the outside.

    • Sactowns#1

      And this is why I’m really starting to rethink betting on football. Far too many shady calls and inconsistencies.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      totally agree. Just FYI, Mike Pereria is the former head of officiating, he is now employed by Fox as a Rules Analyst. The fact that a TV Network needs a Rules Analyst is very telling of the state of NFL rules and officiating. I don’t know of any other sport that needs a person on a broadcast staff just to try and explain how fucked up the rules are and how inept officials are, and it is sad that the former head of officiating who retired 6 years ago knows the rules better than the guys that are on the field.

    • BillW

      Not saying I agree with there should be a distinction, but there is. In the Calvin Johnson rule, he’s going to the ground. In the Tate case, he was upright. Upright means he’s a runner and once he controls the ball and it’s at the goal line the play is over. you can’t strip the ball at that point.

      Where it gets confusing is why they didn’t call the Royal case a catch and fumble recovered by the Bears. (Credit to HBP for bringing up this point). And you really unfortunately have to wonder if they would have called it different if Detroit recovered.

      To complete the thought – another excellent point by HBP is the lunacy of a sport needing a rules expert to augment the other broadcasters.

      I guess the NFL doesn’t realize this screams out a problem they have. “Our game is so complicated you can’t possibly understand it on your own.” They think that’s a GOOD thing?

    • Cormonster

      Well said GP. Yesterday was the first time this season I stayed home and watched an NFL game start to finish, and I regretted it. I’ve lost all passion for the NFL for this reason. I’m sure I’ll catch a few more games this year, but I certainly won’t plan a day around watching this shit. The NFL is a total joke, and it’s lost me as a die-hard fan. I used to watch 3-5 games a week, and this year I don’t think I’ve seen the equivalent of 5 games total.

    • SC Dave

      Fan Duel Rulez!

  • The GP

    Kyle Fuller’s new blog name is Pop Tart. Because, like my pop tarts, he keeps getting burnt at the corners.

    • CanadaBear

      I’m taking your word on this. I haven’t had a pop tart in over 50 years!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Still a good snack. I don’t even toast’em

        • MB30SD

          Sugar covered processed white wheat, covered by more sugar. Yikes!

          • CanadaBear

            You say that like it’s a bad thing!

          • MB30SD

            hahaha… well, if you don’t have genetic issues, sure, you kill yourself slowly any way you want. I’m trying the, ‘death by vagina’ path.

          • CanadaBear

            You might notice that I posted I haven’t had one in over 50 years. I eat plenty of bad stuff but certainly not pop tarts. To me they taste like a combo of sugar and paste. I REALLY like your plan!!!!!

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, exactly. I buy the ‘natural’ ones for my kids, but they only get them on special occasions. They get ice cream all the time, so I try to limit all other sugar… don’t think their mom does at all so I have to be the upstanding citizen (and food bad guy).

            Me too. I’m trying my hardest canada, I really am. But I take a licking and keep on licking. (I just came up with that!)

          • CanadaBear

            It’s like my quote on Discus. If you can’t cut the mustard you can still lick the jar!

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha… if you can’t get to the prize, you can still play with the box?

          • The GP

            I grind Pop Tarts into a powder and then freebase them off the asses of expensive hookers.

          • MB30SD

            perfect.

          • Viva

            That was funny.

    • MB30SD

      OHHHHHHHHH…. SNAP!!!

    • I said it in my “preview” how it’s remarkable that the Raiders and Chiefs didn’t take shots at Fuller cuz he’s good for allowing long bombs or getting PIs.

      Then again, the Raiders and Chiefs aren’t coached well, I suppose, and the Lions finally caught on.

      I’m still gonna refer to Fuller as “Neckbrace” cuz the next time he turns his head when the balls in the air will be the first time.

  • Irish Sweetness

    At least we didn’t pull Chuck Pagano calls.

    https://twitter.com/NFL/status/655943070488236032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    • AlbertInTucson

      No, but the Bears got pantsed on a fake punt when the game situation should have screamed “watch out for a fake punt.” And THAT was the ball game right there.

      • SC Dave

        I did not like that play.

  • Viva

    Evan –

    How many games do we need to lose to go 12-4?

    • MB30SD

      4?

      • Viva

        Thanks, tonio…

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    I have never, ever seen a field crew have that many calls overturned by the upstairs booth. That was the ugliest game I can recall seeing. That being said, the playcalling in the 4th and OT, other than Cutler slinging it 60+ yards in 20 seconds was just godawful conservative.
    I wanted to turn the TV off after the INT…sorry, TD call, but then slogged through another half and OT period and for that, I’m very sad.

    • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

      What’s up, Rabbit? Long time!

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Hanging in there; life keeps throwing curveballs but that’s the way it goes!

        • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

          Feel that, brother. Hang in, buddy.

  • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

    by the way Jeff, Good effort by Ireland, the game could turn to any side in the last 10 min, but Argentina is a better team and could take the most of a tired Ireland. All blacks vs. Argentina.

    • MB30SD

      Look at you with a sheepish, mis-aimed shot at Irish.

      1st my south american fried… the all blacks are going to be shockingly upset this week by my Boks. BOOM!!

      Secondly, no way on god’s green earth argentina get’s past the aussies. They are about to be blown out me lad.

      If I was a betting man, and not a south african, I’d say Aussie v NZ final with the all blacks taking a tough fought match. stick that in your mate gourd and drink it through your fancy metal straw.

      • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

        MB, I would´t bet against all black till finals, south Africa was atonic blown by Japan, japan!!! god´s sake.. can´t see they can beat NZ. if it happens, run and buy a lotery ticket.

        Argentina is a up tempo team, they could score 5 try, correct me if I mistake, if a team can score that deal in quarters, can score against anyone. well not anyone but NZ.

        Aussie team is always a warrior team, but Pumas is not toothless and has speed. Look at Matura, and Sanchez. best game next weekend

        • MB30SD

          Japan was a fluke caballero.

          I think you guys have about the same chance with Aussie as we have with NZ. Bueno suerte amigo.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I thought we were piss poor myself. Down 17 points after ten minutes, the game was effectively over. Scotland should have beaten Australia, and it would be no surprise to me to see the Pumas in the final (they were third before).

      • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

        Ireland could back from behind because they take the most of pumas’ mistakes and because of his classic girth.never discounted them. Scotland should have won but Australia is Australia. Can’t wait to Pumas vs. Australia meanwhile all back is almost checked in the final.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    The thing that incenses me the most on the TD/Int call was that the call on the field was INT. How in the world was there enough evidence on the replay to overturn. I can understand if TD had been called on the field. Then you err on the side of the call on the field. They can’t sit here and tell me that there was enough in the replay to overturn the call on the field. Screw Dean Blandino and the rest of the NFL officials.

    • CanadaBear

      The Bears have been on the wrong side on a couple of those this year. I’m convinced they make it up as they go along. Not to mention everything miraculously comes out right at the point spread. I used to laugh at the conspiracy theories about shady refs but at some point it makes you wonder.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        unfortunately that State Farm commercial with Rodgers is almost spot on. Refs not paying attention to play huddle up realize non of them were paying attention, lets make something up.

    • AlbertInTucson

      As far as I am concerned, the re-spotting short of the first down was a load of crap too. I saw nothing “definitive” to take that first down away.

      • DaMurph

        He wasnt near an actual yard marker or hash mark, i think they did it based on that screwy superimposed yellow TV line , which in no way is definitive. Can the NFL explain to us how that call was changed when the official had as good or better angle.

        • AlbertInTucson

          The yellow line is clearly advertised as “Not Official” so if that IS what they did, piss on ’em.

          I have found that the yellow line is almost always set slightly beyond the actual line to gain marker.

          Bears got screwed on that one.

          • DaMurph

            Then I have no idea what they used to determine the ball was six inches farther from a first down.

        • BillW

          Late responding to this – but I don’t think that yellow line (nor the blue one) shows up when reviewing the play.

          The first years of replay the Bears got screwed on a TD pass that was ruled beyond the line of scrimmage, At the time, the BALL had to be behind the line, not just the feet. The TV commentators kept drawing a telestrator line showing where the QB’s feet were, and the replay official (who was up in the booth then) supposedly saw them do that and ruled accordingly (and incorrectly).

          I don’t know if that last part is true or not – but I’m quite sure he did see the telestrator line. At that time there were no challenges – I think the guy upstairs buzzed down to review anything he thought should be reviewed.

          Anyway the same “irrefutable evidence” standard existed. And based on that, plus the fact that the feet being behind the line had nothing to do with it – the call never should have been overturned.

          And by the way – for what it’s worth – I think there was enough evidence to show Uni didn’t get the FD.

          • BillW

            http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2014/11/06/instant-replay-game-packers-bears/18627459/

            I searched for this. Frustrating (but not surprising) that so many Packer articles on it simply ignore the fact that the rule at the time was based on the ball, not the feet. Similar to a touchdown or a first down. They say the call was absoulutely correct because his feet were behind the line. But that was not the rule.

            The best I read was the above link. Acknowledged the actual rule and the fact the league said it showed not have been overturned. Though I can see the argument of why throw a flag in that situation unless it clear. The ref claims he had a clear view and sounded pissed he was overturned.

            I frankly think they are getting better with replay. I think part of the problem these days is guys like Perera are trying to predict what the ruling will be rather than stating what they think it should be.

          • DaMurph

            Then what did they base the change on? A blade of grass?? unreal i have no idea.

    • BillW

      I see things with blue and orange colored glasses too, but in both those cases I happened to understand the rulings.

      In the first case, he had possession long enough – while being upright (not going tot he ground) to declare the play over. You couldn’t see that in real time but the replay showed it.

      HOWEVER – HBP makes a great point in this thread that why didn’t that same logic hold for Royal’s completion/fumble that was ruled incomplete? (Worse than that – and I the only one that wondered how they would have ruled it if Detroit recovered. I’m sorry – but the game seemed like a whole “apology gift” for the batted ball fiasco.)

      The second one – looking at the replay it was clear it was short of the line to gain when he hit the ground.

      I was frustrated that there were so many judgement type calls and they all seemed to go against us.

  • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

    Here’s something I need help from somebody who played more than high school football to understand. What’s the point in scripting the first 10 plays of a game? If I understand this right, there are ten plays that team X runs to start it’s offensive game. So suppose the play you called on 1st down works and you get 5 yards, then 4 yards on 2nd down. Now it’s 3rd and 1. So if the third scripted play was a pass play, would the team still run it, or would they opt to run it up the gut for the tough yards? And what if they get a 10 yards on first down, and ten yards on second down, both resulting in first downs. Now, you should be calling a play designed for 1st and 10 but it’s conceivable the script calls for something you would conceivably run on third an short?

    I don’t get the logic in this. Is it to throw out an arbitrary allotment of play types to see how the defense will react so that we can have a better informed game plan going forward? What’s also weird, is that often times the first offensive series is one of better ones of the game. Would it not make sense then to script all of your plays? Or just draw plays out of a hat?

    It reminds me of a philosophy/mathematics book I read for my undergraduate senior capstone project where a person attempts to apply the mathematics of Game Theory to the notion of God. The argument stems from the supposed “Problem of Evil” whereby it seems logically inconsistent (to some) that God can be all powerful, all knowing, and all good, and yet still allow evil to exist. The author of the book uses game theory to show how even though God can do anything at anytime, it is in the best interest of free will to act arbitrarily a certain percentage of the time….It’s a good read, not one that I feel makes the most sound argument, but an interesting take nonetheless.

    The point is, might the possibility of a bomb on 3rd and one instead of the obvious power run call (at least on occasion) serve to keep the defense guessing a bit more and then allow for more offensive flexibility (free will). I don’t know. This can get very deep. Mostly though, I’d like to hear educated opinions as to the benefit of scripting your first X plays.

    As for this debacle of a game, I’ll save my comments until after I watch it. The radio feed was agonizing enough.

    • CanadaBear

      It’s my understanding they script the plays to find out how the D is going to play in certain situations.

    • BillW

      My understanding was that it’s not as rigid as it sounds. For example, if it’s 3rd and 1 and the next play up doesn’t make sense for that situation, it’s changed. I could be wrong but I seem to recall reading that.

    • “that God can be all powerful, all knowing, and all good, and yet still allow evil to exist” ah yes, I remember that.

      Epicurus came up with that argument. I think it was part of the larger Greek philosophy of trying to treat human issues mathematically. Supposedly Plato didn’t allow anyone who didn’t know geometry into his school, and they always sought to make ethics into a math (which seems ridicules now).

      Other side notes on Epicurus. When your girl gets a “pedicure” it’s from his name, which is ironic because he was practically acetic. Epicurus advocated that the best life was to “eat, drink and be merry” (but not hedonistically, just a simple life. He ate mostly oats and drank water because, logically, you don’t need more, right?)

      Many mistakenly associated Epicurus’ hedonism to extravagance, hence the “pedicure”.

      He also advised that you should stay away from poor ppl since they’re more trouble than they’re worth for multiple reason, not least of all because they tend to be ignorant and always in some sort of crisis that you don’t need in your life. Sound, eh?

      Good ole Epicurus…

      • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

        I like how you unintentionally (I assume) misspelled ridiculous as redicules as if the word is a Greek character itself. Brilliant.

      • MB30SD

        Nice. So basically the take-away from his life’s work was… don’t hang out with packer fans.

        Solid.

    • Big Mike

      This may have been answered, but here is how this works. The script is set up based on a successful outcome of the play. If you run Forte off tackle you expect to get 3 yards. So you then have 2nd and 7. You run play 2 and expect to get 5 yards, and you have a 3rd and 2, you pick up the first down etc, etc.

      The purpose is to get a sense of the rhythm of the offense based on what you have projected will work. within that mix of plays you will have a number of down and distance plays scripted.

      What you really end up with is a subset of a subset of plays. The full set being your playbook, the subset being your game plan for the day and the sub,sub set being the so called “scripted” plays.

      Simply put what you are doing is organizing a package of plays that force the defense to expose their strategy, confirm match up advantages and disadvantages. There is an added benefit of enforcing discipline and giving the offensive coaching staff a chance to get into the flow of the game without having 150-200 possible plays to choose from.

      • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

        So there IS some flexibility within the script?

        • Big Mike

          I can’t speak for all 32 NFL Teams. But I was at a coaching clinic with several NFL Coaches. The biggest name was Nick Saban. Kyle Shanahan also had a session. The most useful (interactive Q&A session) was done by Jim Harbaugh, who at the time was in his second year at Stanford. The question of scripts came up and he referenced his experience with Chicago and Indianapolis, as well as his brother’s experience as the HC of the Ravens. His comments were that the script is a guideline with a narrow set of plays to pick from based on down and distance. He commented that he’d never seen the first 10 plays executed in exactly as drawn up. He did recall (I don’t know if it was a joke or not) that he did get 6 plays into a script once with the Bears. He then said that was because the Bears only had 5 or 6 offensive plays that worked.

          • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

            Ha ha. Excellent. Thank you sir.

  • AlbertInTucson

    ?If the Bears catch a few balls they dropped, including pivotal ones by Martellus Bennett and Marquess Wilson, they probably win the game.
    Eddie Royal’s “drop that wasn’t a fumble” was pretty big, too.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      in slow motion it was as much of a catch as the TD that wasn’t an interception.

      • BillW

        Great point. I was OK with the TD / no INT call by my understanding of the rule. And then this happened and I wondered how long do you need to hold the ball in the filed of play to count as a catch. If it’s not the same criteria the rule needs to state that explicitly.

  • MB30SD

    “The Bears aren’t good. But if their quarterback stays healthy they might actually make a run to 7-9, 8-8.”

    Still calling 6 wins my maingses. Don’t understand why everyone’s getting all bent out of shape. We see some good things (cutty finally starting to come right-er) and some bad m(play calling, dropped balls, time management, d backfield, etc…).

    This is what year 1/ground 0 of a total rebuild looks like guys, and if you’re getting your panties in a bunch every. single. game. we. lose. then you’re a total spaz and I can’t help you.

    Look for the good stuff, see if the bad stuff improved over the course of the year, hope we find some hidden gems (Amos), and search for hope that this new head office is taking us in the right direction.

    For my $.02, I’m pretty fired up. If we can find 5-10 playah’s this offseason, this team is easily 10-6 with a year of experience with each other under the belt.

    • CanadaBear

      5-10 players is a lot in one offseason. I’m sticking with 5 wins this year. Fox can channel Lovie at any time, usually at the worst possible time. Totally agree about the rebuild. Grasu, Amos and Goldman do give me some confidence in Pace.

      • MB30SD

        yes, I’ll take any amount in that range. And agree, I think pace is good. I’m excited.

        And if I’m totally honest, it’s actually kinda nice to have a ‘free’ year where I don’t have to flip the fuck out every sunday and be bummed out. I hate that, and there’s been a whole lot of it for the last 5 years.

        • CanadaBear

          I gave up early last year (not unlike the players) and the season didn’t really bother me too much. Esp after Kromer went nuts. From that point on I was pretty sure it was going to be a clean sweep in the front office/coaching staff.

          • MB30SD

            last year sucked. hard.

            I much prefer this… at least there’s tons of hope. And signs of life.

          • CanadaBear

            For me it was mostly embarrassing more than anything. Once Kromer lost his mind and the team quit, I did too. Still watched but wasn’t even remotely invested in the outcome.

          • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

            I quit after the second packer game. First bears game I turned off at the half in my life.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve turned off a few over the years. Always when the Bears were bad and things were going completely off the rails. No prizes for being the most stubborn fan on the planet.

    • i’m guessing conte won’t be on the bucs roster after this year. could be a nice veteran safety to help us bridge the gap until we find our next brandon hardin.

      • CanadaBear

        Love the positive vibe!

      • MB30SD

        I hate… and love you right now.

  • T’Challa

    The Bears seemed not to have any sense of urgency on offense in the OT. They had two possessions in OT and did not get the ball pass the 50 yard line.

  • T’Challa

    A loss as oppose to a win right before the bye week might be more beneficial in the long run. Players practice harder and coaches coach better after losses. They tend to focus more during a time that could lend itself to vacationing.

  • TheBigCheesy

    “Cutler’s last 3 regulation drives:

    GW FG to beat Oak.
    GW TD to beat KC.
    Tying FG to force OT w/.21 left.

    Anybody else in NFL doing this?”

    Anybody else in the NFL trailing these 3 shitty teams in the 4th quarter?

    • WP34

      2/3 broncos.

      Cheese – that fact that u r here – makes u a interesting dude.

      • TheBigCheesy

        You have a good point there with the Broncos. So I guess the answer to Jeff’s question is: Yes, Aqib Talib.

  • Seeing as my nickname is Data, I had to go look and see if there was any statistical defense of Fox’s decision making late in the game. Spoiler: there wasn’t.

    For starters, Chicago has not been good at running between the tackles this year. 3.5 yards per carry on 91 rushes. Prior to those last 3 drives yesterday (excluding the desperation FG drive), they had run between the tackle 17x for 2.6 yards per carry. On those last 3 drives, they ran it between the tackles 5/9 times for a grand total of 9 yards. That’s indefensible; it’s a play that wasn’t working.

    I went and compared Chicago’s 1st 9 drives (not including the end-of-1st half, this was their 1st 31 points) to their last 3 (not including the desperation FG drive). Shows just how dumb Fox was.

    Run %: 41%/67%
    Yds/run: 3.7/1.8
    Yds/play: 5.7/2.1
    Yds/drive: 40/6
    1st dns/drive: 2.3/0
    Pts/drive: 3.4/0

    So Fox took an offense that was rolling (40 yards and 3.4 points per drive is best offense in the NFL territory, NE leads NFL this year at 42 yards and 3.6 points per drive) and changed everything about it, with highly predictable results. He did what Detroit’s defense couldn’t do and shut down Chicago’s offense.

    It’s like when Lovie went into the prevent defense and it did nothing but prevent a win. If you don’t coach to win the game, you’re coaching to lose. So if you’re coaching not to lose, you’re actually coaching to lose (ironic, huh?).

    Fox coached not to lose yesterday, and it cost the Bears a win.

    • The GP

      And if Fox had allowed Gase and Cutler to start chucking it to get the 1st downs needed – and that resulted in Pick 6?

      And that resulted in the city and the writers skewing Cutler and destroying the good will he’s built up in the locker room and started the finger pointing?

      We may not agree with Foxy’s decisions – but not all decisions are based on stats.

      • That is the risk. Then the narrative turns to, “Why not run it with Forte the best rushing back in the NFL!?”

        We roasted Trestman for passing in such situations.

        In the end, we just didn’t execute.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          I don’t think it is the fact that we ran the ball, it’s the plays that are called. Forte does not run between the tackles well. We have seen that for years.

          • BillW

            And the formations that telegraphed the play.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Don’t get burned on a fake punt in a game situation that screams fake punt and the rest is moot.

          • We need a new SP teams coach NOW. That was an OBVIOUS “red alert” fake punt situation that our team was clueless about.

          • BillW

            I read they said they were ready for a fake punt but thought it was coming up the middle. I call BS on that.

          • Yeah, but I remember when Trestman ran a misdirection flip to Forte on a critical short yard down, and even though Forte converted (BARELY), many fans were still shouting, “That’s too dangerous. Just run it up the gut!”

            I get what you’re saying, but it’s hard to run it anywhere, inside or outside when the other team is stacking the line.

            Look at last night. Brady who almost always converts on 3rd and short running that sneak couldn’t even get an inch on one series cuz the Colts stacked the box.

            But yeah, I agree maybe we can get a lil more creative in the future.

            But next time we need to run the ball and they come out in the spread, I don’t wanna hear anyone bitching!

          • BillW

            Can’t disagree; it’s always a great call when it works and bad when it fails.

            But that’s what the coaches are paid to do; put their players in the best position to succeed. As JWood points out, the run up the gut didn’t work the whole game. I’ts not like it was successful but now they were stacking the line. You need a play or two you believe in to take advantage of them overplaying the run. You don’t need to come out in the spread. Make them think you are running up the gut and do something else that exploits that.

          • BillW

            To quote JWood:

            “Prior to those last 3 drives yesterday (excluding the desperation FG drive), they had run between the tackle 17x for 2.6 yards per carry.”

            That was a failing strategy, plain and simple. The worst part is with all the time left it didn’t hurt the Lions to burn their timeouts.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Simple playaction. Screens and stretch plays.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i will never bitch(at least i don’t think i will) at running on short yardage, but this was not a short yardage situation we needed 10 yards for a first down and in 3 plays we got maybe 2.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Swapping out Ducasse for Tayo largely solves this problem, but sometimes the staff can’t see the wood for the trees.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Whenever we only have a minute and need to get downfield and score, Cutty doesn’t seem to have a problem doing it. But if all we need is a first down, we’re inexorably fucked. No excuses for that, Mr. Gase.

  • Albino. Lovie.

    The more important trend I want to evaluate is if Fox will continually “prevent” Gase. It did seem odd that for most of the game, Gase did a great job of moving the ball down field (still need more redzone effiency, but Alshon should boost that), then in crunch time and OT, he becomes Tice.

    Had to be Fox, right? Gase IMO has no qualms getting creative, aggressive or pass happy (sometimes too), so I’m leaning towards Fox pulling rank, which I hope will NOT continue in the future. Fox needs to let both Fangio and Gase do what they do, esp in game; however, does Fox have that humility? Can he give up power in critical moments? Most HCs have massive egos and are micro-managers, so unfortunately, I expect more of it, but hopefully the COACHES can reassess their approach on game day during the bye.

    • Fox’s teams have acted like that in close games across 3 franchises, 10+ years, and a number of OCs.
      Fox doesn’t call the specific plays, but he tells them when to dial it down and play it safe.

      • Fox doesn’t call the specific plays, but he tells them when to dial it down and play it safe.

        This is EXACTLY what he SHOULDN’T do and a trend I fear.
        This is why he can’t beat good coaches.

        Fox is consistently conservative which is a double-edged sword.

        I guess it can be worse. Being aggressive when you need to be conservative, and being conservative when you need to be aggressive (Nessman), but Fox needs to trust Gase in the future.

        Fox needs to understand that his main job is basically that of an inspector, not initiator.

        He needs to simply weed out the losers, whip players into shape, make sure the ship is running right, but when the battles unfold, step back and let his generals Fangio/Gase call the shots.

        • BillW

          Curious if that’s the norm or not. I have nothing to base this on, but I I think it’s possible that the head coach wants to be be responsible for all strategy decisions (FG vs going for it, going for 2 vs 1, taking a knee at half etc.)

          This falls somewhat in that area.

          • I’m leaning towards that Fox pulled rank. Ordered Gase to run out the clock, nothing fancy. Trust our D.

            It failed.

            If you look at their profiles, Fox is old and conservative, and Gase is young and aggressive (who allegedly loves and trusts Cutty).

            And again, Fox always loses in big games, and now Bear fans witnessed first hand why.

            In crunch time, he becomes timid, and the team takes on that personality over time.

            This is why the Pack got booted from the playoffs last year, and why I expect them to get booted again this year.

            Coach is too pussy when shit gets real, and it has a trickle down effect.

          • did you see GB’s D on the last drive trying to hold the win against SD yesterday? Blitzed on every single play.
            Forced Rivers into quick decisions and throws. He was magnificent in the face of pressure getting them down the field, but fell short on the goal-line.

          • Maybe the fatty has learned. We’ll see when he gets to the playoffs

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, but I think 4ever85 was referring to how McCarthy turtled in the fourth quarter in their NFCC against SEA with his offensive playcalling.

            Rivers is a freaking beast. Reminds of Fouts in how he will stand up to huge pressure but still get the ball off while taking a beating. Actually, Eli is capable of that too.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Rivers is good under pressure, Stafford is not, and we should have put him to the sword. And who are Mitch Unrein and Bruce Gaston? Why isn’t Terry Williams a Bear? No penetration = no good.

            BTW – Peyton Manning leading the league in Interceptions with a stellar rating of 72.

      • BillW

        We won’t hear about it (nor should we) but I imagine there are some interesting conversations going on within the HC and all three coordinators today.

        If there were a market analysis on Gase’s HC chances, that stock dropped from yesterday. But that can change in a hurry.

      • Big Mike

        He f’d it up yesterday.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Anybody else think McPhee was held twice on that final Loins drive? One the first play scrambe that game them some room and then on the scramble bomb to Megation?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      he was also held 4 or 5 more times in the previous couple series in the 4th Quarter. It is often said that holding penalties can be called on all plays. While i don’t mind not calling holding in the trenches, but when it is blatantly obvious you got to call it.

      • AlbertInTucson

        They seemed pretty obvious to me since McPhee was trying to break free and the guy was already behind him.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          same here.

          The announcers stated a couple times throughout the game that the officiating crew on the field yesterday has called the least amount of penalties in the league, like it was a badge of honor. I am all for letting players play but you have to call the blatant shit.

    • willbest

      Problem is there are holds on every play. I have seen our guys get the free ones too.

  • MB30SD

    As pissed as I am about that fucking cunt craig.

    Check this GP: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1781315388/uncrate-20

    • The GP

      Still going to see Spectre.

      I love Taren Killam’s impression of Christoph Waltz.

      • MB30SD

        Me too. Bond is my favorite. Would never miss it, just pissed off that craig said that. What a dick.

      • MB30SD

        Oh, and not bad. What’sherface is turrible. god she sucks.

        This is one of my favorite scenes. Visceral and crunchy maings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lydYhl1982Y

  • I like to thank the immortal Marcel Marceau for providing me for the perfect avi for the 15 Bears.

    When we got blown out, it can be interpreted as an expression of shock.
    When we win, it can be interpreted as an expression of “can it be?”
    After hearbreaking close losses it can be interpreted as an expression of disgust.

  • Big Mike

    There should be no question that this game was lost in the redzone. 9 plays from inside the 10 with only 3 field goals to show for it, and by play calling at the end of the game. Analyzing the sequence with inside of 3 minutes to play, 1st and 10, run.. no problem. 2nd and 10 is where they gave up. That should have been a conservative pass play to get 4-5 yards. But they ran. Then they ran again on 3rd down, that was terrible. But the real give up happened on 2nd down.

    When they repeated the run on 1st and 2nd down and 2x on 3rd down in the fourth quarter, I was very disappointed. The game was there for us to take.

    No player who was on the practice squad in week 1 with a hyphen (that should be the DBs nickname by the way) in his name, should be expected to cover Calvin Johnson for 5seconds plus (which is about how much time Stafford had thanks to the non-holding call).

    Frustrating loss, but in line with what we expected this season.

    • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

      Big Mike. See my question below about the benefit of scripting plays. I’d like to get your take on it.

    • BerwynBomber

      That was my take last night.

      Four RZ trips during the first three quarters that resulted in three chip shot FGs and an EZ INT. Nine points scored out of a possible 28. Do that in a shootout-like contest you will often end up on the losing side.

      But DET did everything in their power to keep us in the game.

  • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

    Here’s an enormous task for you Data. Go back however many years and tabulate success in the first 10 “scripted” plays vs the rest of the games when the coach picks plays based on game situation.

  • BillW

    I missed the SNF game (watching the Cubs strike out parade instead). Just saw a video of the trick play the Colts failed on. I imagine most have seen it – I know it was commented on in the last thread.

    First thing I thought of was the Indiana Jones scene of the guy threatening him with a sword and Indy calmly shoots him. I mean there were five guys swarming in to tackle the guy taking the snap. In fact the first guy calmly bypassed the center and easily got him by himself.

    I keep reading the word “miscommunication” when looking for explanations. I’ve yet to read any actual admission what was supposed to happen.

    What – you don’t want to tell anyone because you plan to do it again?

    • Scharfinator

      Apparently they never were supposed to hike it? They wanted to see about getting the Pat’s with 12 men on the field or a neutral zone in fraction.

      KISS.

  • MB30SD

    Johnny Manziel, proof that he’s a stand up guy (besides being a great NFL QB): http://fox8.com/2015/10/19/dash-camera-video-expected-in-roadside-argument-involving-johnny-manziel/

    • BearDown100393

      Johnny Football needs to rent Depp’s movie “Blow”. And then hire a chauffeur.

      • MB30SD

        Hahaha… dude’s a douche. He doesn’t need a chauffer, he needs an intervention…. for his girlfriend. My god, what an immature little princess.

        …but I guess I’d expect nothing less.

        Ps. She’s still hot.

        • CanadaBear

          I know this is hindsight but how do guys allow themselves to get suckered into this drama? I get it when everyone is hammered and nobody is exactly a brainiac but once you sober up why in the hell would you put up with the drama queens? Esp someone in his shoes who should be able to choose from a buffet.

          • MB30SD

            Hot. Vagina.

            Need I really say more canada my maings? MUCH smarter and MUCH better men have fallen prey to the exact same thing as Mr. Dipshit.

            Pussy, Money, & Guns/Drugs baby. Live by sword, die by the sword.

          • CanadaBear

            I get that up to a point but when you can pick off the top shelf like JM, why settle for that shit? I guess it’s because I’m too old but no loving is worth putting up with drama queens.

          • Scharfinator

            Yeah, so many more fish out there. If you’re an NFL QB – why would you be exclusive at all? At least… not until late 20’s and you need to find marrying material before you’re out of the league.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This is what gets me. Why does ANY NFL QB get married while they’re in the league?

            WHY?

          • Scharfinator

            Or at least, to no name whiny brats?

            If Upton or Lawrence was dating a QB, I could understand.

          • MB30SD

            he’s young. You should have seen the ridiculous shit I put up with in my marriage. I was 25 when we met. At 39, I finally woke up and went, FUUUUUUCK THIS SHIT!

            More for my kids than me, but still. I was young, dumb, and full of shit. And I consider myself to be half compos mentis (or compoos mentoos). this kid is a fucking dumber version of a dumb bag of dumb claw hammers.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “He’s Young”

            And he’s even YOUNGER than his actual age.

            Boozing, and espcially drugging, tends to stunt one’s emotional growth.

          • MB30SD

            I personally think being an idiot (not in the euphemistic sense) is the biggest factor. That and upbringing… couple that with tons of fame and fortune at such a young age, and you’re bound to get this. Dude is just a dumb ass… literally.

          • The GP

            Don’t undersell yourself.

            You’re at least 60% sane

          • MB30SD

          • Irish Sweetness

            I wouldn’t give Manziel a job packing groceries.

  • Trac

    I’m tired of hearing the Fox bashing already. In 6 weeks, Fox has turned Cutty from a zero to a hero by building his confidence and scheming to avoid bad Jay Football. The Bears just don’t have the pieces yet imo and I’m stoked at the competitiveness I see through 6 weeks. Relax boyz.

    • CanadaBear

      I don’t think it’s Fox bashing as much as people realizing just how conservative he is when push comes to shove. I think almost all of us are grateful for this coaching staff but wish Fox wouldn’t get so predictable with the game on the line.

      • Trac

        I hear you Canada but I think Fox has to first change the culture, then get the personnel. Not saying things can’t be tweeted but the players lost this game, not the coaches.

        • BillW

          I praised Gase last weeks for calling plays based on the players he had, not the ones he wished he had. Fox needs to recognize the secondary is horrible and you can’t expect to win if it’s up to them to make a stop. Of course they players lost the game but they were not put in the best position to win given their weaknesses.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Yeah, put your fate in the hands of your best unit.

        • CanadaBear

          Pretty sure they both had a hand in this one but if I had to assign blame the players would be getting their fair share.

      • Agree. I think we all got bad Lovie flashbacks of him staring at the jumbotron.

        But, Trac probably liked those Lovie flashbacks lol

      • SC Dave

        Sure looks like Fox bashing to me.

    • BillW

      Excellent point. It’s just frustration especially since we thought coaching was our strong point and the lack of talent was the only issue.

      The things I am criticizing (and others) at least come from a clear strategy – one that failed, but a strategy that was understandable and (somewhat) logical. (except for relying on the defense to win).

      It was “make Matthew Stafford beat us”. If he didn’t have Calvin Johnson, or we had Peanut in his prime, or a pass rush that was getting there, maybe it would make more sense

      • Trac

        I think next year, it’s going to be a different story.

        • BillW

          We are in complete agreement!

    • MB30SD

      There it is tiger! I knew you had it in you!!

      I am 100% behind fox and his team.

      • Trac

        I still hate losing.

    • willbest

      The only thing Fox/Gases has done is realize that Cutler is below average at decoding defenses, and reduced his ability to do it. They then did what Martz wouldn’t and designed a playbook around what they had rather than what they wished they had. Basically, they are the first offensive coordinators in a long while to come through who bothered to do their jobs competently.

      That does not however mean that with respects to managing the clock and what to call on that 2nd to last drive they didn’t sh$t the bed.

      • Johnnywad

        We have no idea how and what Cutler is calling do we? Seems to me Gase is getting the play in quickly so Cutty has time to see and think. That’s what all good OCs do. Shit, how many timeouts has Cutler had to burn over the last five seasons because the play doesn’t come in efficiently? I would not agree that they’re handcuffing Cutler at all. I think he’s just playing to his potential in a good, efficient, professional offense.

        • willbest

          That was mainly a Tice thing. Though it didn’t seem like Trestmen was able to manage it towards the end. It is apparent that he is using the audible less than he was last year, though he still appears to do it. How much of those are fake audible only they know. And his no huddle has been really good, though I doubt they do what GB does and let Rodgers go nuts during no huddle. We also know that he did some of his better work under Martz who did limit his ability to audible.

          • BerwynBomber

            And Shanahan too. “Moon” Mullin did some reporting last week that, in fact, this is exactly what is going on — they haven’t limited the playbook for Cutty but they have limited his ability to audible. But like you said, Gase isn’t trying to jam square pegs into round holes like Martz was in terms of players and scheme.

            Btw, Gase is a Martz student. Martz gave him his first pro coaching gig in SF.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Once you tie your QBs hands to change the play, then it’s all just a big bag of bollocks. Jimmy Mac at the end of that game is not running it three times in a row if he needs a first down etc. Yes, you get chewed out, but winners don’t get dictated to. If Jay strongly dislikes a call then he needs to man up.

          Although there’s no way that loss goes on Jay, he got us to overtime, and then Gase shit the bed.

          Six games in and I am not a fan of Gase or Fangio.

      • Trac

        I think that once a team becomes a winner, those things tend to take care of themselves. Coaching will improve as the team gets better.

  • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

    I think everyone (Trac, MB) needs to allow at least 24 hours for the emotions to dissipate before calling out the chicken littles. Maybe 48 for division games and maybe 72 for division games that were as poorly officiated as this one.

    • MB30SD

      I get it my brother in maths (well, not really, but…) but why… why get all wound up about the first year in a total reorg rebuild? It’s pointless.

      Do what’s ever you want of course, but I don’t really get what purpose it serves. I’d personally much rather see all the smart dudes on this board shouting out what GOOD they saw, where we are improving, seeing Data’s… data, etc…. that’s valuable stuff right now.

      We’re winning between 5-8 this year. Thinking/wanting/crying about anything else is a waste of time IMHO.

      • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

        I agree. And anyone who thought this team had a chance this year based off of barely beating the raiders and chiefs were probably delusional beyond hope anyway. So my emotions are not based on this season. In fact, I wasn’t all that upset yesterday. They fought hard and I saw a lot of very good things. I am pissed, however, that they lost to the lions the way they did and understand others emotional responses. I don’t think it has anything to do with the season. If we were 2-13 I would still be kind of pissed they lost that last game. …to the lions…because of stupid shit….

        • MB30SD

          I can agree to that. I fucking hate the lions as much as you, but I’ve just kind of called the mulligan for this entire year in my head. Maybe that’s wrong of me, but I just don’t see a more utilitarian and logical route.

          I’m open to hearing from the peanut gallery at what a pussy lipped surrender monkey I am.

          • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

            For me, it’s not even about the playoffs. Watching my teams is one of the only outlets I have for my competitive spirit. We play (and watch). To Win. The Game. Not the SB necessarily, just the game at hand. Like I said. If we were out of the playoffs, I still root for a win and hurt from a loss (just slightly less so).

          • MB30SD

            PLAYOFFS?!?!

        • If it was any other team besides the Loins, I would’nt have been as disappointed.

          But the damn Loins! Hate those dudes.

          The Pack are just blessed with the best Qb.

          The Loins are dirty jagalos.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Let’s be clear.

      The officiating didn’t lose this game for the Bears.

      The Bears had several chance to put this in the “W” column.

      Red Zone play was substandard on both sides of the ball and that they were faked out of their collective jockstraps on that faux punt at THAT time of the game and THAT field position is awful.

      And let’s face it, the officiating is pretty bad almost every week.

      Score more points when you have the chance and you take the zebras out of the equation.

      This should have ended with the Bears in victory formation.

      • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

        After reading that, I am no less pissed.

  • beninnorcal

    Al, normally I would agree that officiating is never the cause of a loss, or that if it were it was our fault to be in that position. This game was different as that Tate TD was literally the difference in the game as well as utter bullshit. Yes we still had chances after and yes there were other bad calls, but this was THE bad call that resulted in points and maybe even a swing. What I’m saying is that this loss is on the Zebras, plain and simple.

    • willbest

      The way the Lions were boned against Seattle was even worse.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I remain unpersuaded, Ben.

      The Red zone inefficiency, the AWFUL pick Cutler threw and the playing scared/playing-not-to-lose play-calling in O.T. more than offset the zebras.

      Even with that phantom TD, the Bears should have put the Loins away and they didnt/couldn’t.

      They took two step forward and now, one step back.

      We shouldn’t be too surpised about that.

      that said, I can’t say I agree that “Officiating is NEVER the cause..” either.

      • madscout12

        Bears had 3 chances to win that game. They gave it to the guy who was running for 2.8 yards per carry instead of the guy that was torching the Lions secondary. You fucking go for that 1st down at the end of regulation. Then, after Cutler raises you from the dead, you learn your fucking lesson and throw the ball to get in FG range, or at least run from sets where they think you’ll throw. Then when you don’t learn your fucking lesson on the first OT drive, you pull your balls out of your purse and throw the ball on the second drive.

        Bears had their chances. Zebra call could have won it for us, but it didn’t take away the bear’s having chances to win and not doing it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Never leave it in the refs hands though, Ben. That’s why I never blame the refs. We shouldn’t be looking to refs to hand us games on a platter.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        the refs need to do their jobs though

  • The GP

    So this working theory on sports radio is that the Cubs can’t hit high heat outside of Schwarber

    • TheBigCheesy

      Actually I’m hearing that they can’t hit without heat outside. (They can’t handle the cold)

      • The GP

        That comes from all the ski masks

        madden needs to take that stupid wool cap off and look like he doesn’t care

        • Viva

          Sign of weakness….

  • beninnorcal

    Also, I really can’t stand Stafford. He’s a whiny little bitch, always looking for the flag and yelling at the refs. I was at the game in ’11 where he dragged DJ Moore to the ground by his facemask and started a huge brawl(which, I believe, resulted in a Bear penalty). Basically, I hate that guy like other people hate Cutler. But Stafford sctually deserves it, Jay doesn’t show much emotion on the field while Matt looks like a 4 year old out there sometimes.

    • RenoBear

      No kidding. He’s such a douche. Especially when he’s out there beating his chest after a TD. Who does that anymore? ESPECIALLY QB’s… Smdh…What a tool

      • BillW

        Yeah. He should kiss his biceps. Or pretend to tear open his shirt to show theS. Or discount double checj

        Kidding. They are all immature moves in my opinion too

      • AlbertInTucson

        Cam Newton is a chest beater.

      • madscout12

        Made it worse while I’m there screaming….HOLDING!!!! HOLDING!!!! HOW ARE YOU NOT GOING TO CALL THAT!!!! FUCK YOU, NFL!!!!! HOLDING!!!!

        And that little bitch is pounding his chest. Fuck him.

        • RenoBear

          I still don’t know HOW that wasn’t called… Willie young was around the corner chasing him and bring BLATANTLY held. Those always get called…except in Detroit

    • CanadaBear

      One thing about Cutler’s emotions that doesn’t get discussed is the diabetes thing. Because of the diabetes he’s supposed to stay as even keeled as possible to help with his insulin levels. It’s not that he doesn’t give a fuck (although clearly he doesn’t give a fuck sometimes), he’s just trying to keep his emotions in check.

  • beninnorcal

    Also, I see no way these Lions beat us in our turf this year. We’ll look back at this one and just think ‘wtf?!’

  • In an alternate universe, Washington and McDonald are complementing McPhee.

    Sigh.

  • The GP

    hurst shifted – off the roster

    • Irish Sweetness

      We have two new players, I think. Bruce Gaston, DL. Antone Smith. RB.

  • BillW

    Guys, I think I’m in the minority here so please tell me where you think I’m wrong in my interpretation of the int/td

    A guy catches the ball without falling to the ground. He is upright. Both feet on the ground. The ref signals td immediately. The guy doesn’t have to run or anything. If he stood flat footed and spiked the ball it’s still a td

    In tates play there is absolutely no “Calvin Johnson” situation. He has the ball. Upright, not falling. Nose of the ball over the goal line. Play over. Td. No matter what happens next

    That’s how I saw it before the decision and everything I read said just that. Obviously many disagree.

    • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

      I hear ya. I don’t think there was enough on replay to overturn the call. I would have felt the same way if the initial call was TD. That’s my beef.

      • BillW

        Things happen in real time harder to see. So the only remedy is getting rid of replay and making teams reliant on the refs in real time. I don’t think any of us want that..

        My beef is not understanding why Royals catch /fumble/bears recovery was overturned. The reason I guess is the football move garbage. To me catching the football with your feet on the ground is a football move.

        If they need to possess it for a certain amount of time then they need to define it. If they need to take a certain number of steps then define that.

        The fact that the NFL is the only sport that requires a rules expert as part of the broadcast team should be embarrassing to them

        • AlbertInTucson

          I don’t necessarily disagree.

          Frankly, I thought the re-spot replay that took a first down away from the Bears was MORE agregious.

          Part of my “How to fix replay” solution is to only allow replay in REAL TIME.

          No slo-mo. No still frame. No zoom it up.

          If it’s an OBVIOUS blown call then it’ll show up on replay in real time.

          If not, let’s “Move along, nothing to see here.”

          The other part of my replay fix is that the on-field officials have NOTHING to do with the review other than report the call from the replay official.

          • BillW

            I like that a whole lot . A lot. Makes real sense.

            Further I’d go with anything is reviewable. Even and maybe especially “judgement” calls. At least major penalties like roughing the passer. And pi. .

            Give the coach two challenges only. . If right on a challenge they get it back. So if the coach is wrong twice in a row they are out.

            But why punish the coach for being right three times by saying “now we can mess up and there is not a damn thing you can do about it”

          • willbest

            Never understood why the whole thing was dependent on a coach making a decision within the 13-17 seconds that elapse before the other team snaps the ball in a hurry up.
            They should just review any play that has the potential for a score, and any play that has the potential for a turnover. And the whole play should be reviewed not just the 1 little aspect of it.
            I also agree that if somebody is going to get 15+ yards and a new set of downs it should be reviewed. Lastly, and this just annoys me, how come an offensive personal foul isn’t 15 yards and automatic 4th down?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Can’t see automatic 4th down.

            Maybe LOSS of down which they already do for intentional grounding.

          • BillW

            Absolutely needs to be loss of down. I’m surprised we don’t see guys close to intercepting a pass being tackled to prevent it. Alshon needed to do that yesterday.

          • madscout12

            I’d add holding in there too, but it too often goes against the Bears for me to like that. OPI needs to be a loss of down or DPI needs to not be a spot foul. Vadgers has benefited from DPI too liberally this year and knows how to game that system. Also, turn too many men into a judgement call…if a player is not off but is running off and close to the sideline with no intent to return, no call. There’s judgement on everything else, why not there?

          • BillW

            My thought is go all the way. Dpi results in an auto completion. Opi should be an auto interception. I have heard a logical reason why not. Other than along the lines of. “well, come on. That’s ridiculous”

          • AlbertInTucson

            Much as I hate to admit it, Belicheat had a good idea.

            A coach gets one additional challenge that can challenge ANYTHING.

    • The GP

      In tates play there is absolutely no “Calvin Johnson” situation. He has the ball. Upright, not falling.

      Incorrect.

      http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/10/golden-tate-touchdown-interception-bears-lions-explanation-nfl-rules-catch

      He falls to the ground. Ball pops out as the 2nd foot is going down, no real demonstration of control anywhere along that line.

      • BillW

        Fantastic link and GIF. Now I’m back to confused but it simply isn’t necessary to be confused

        I can make up an explanation but it’s pure guessing on my part and it should not be

        He isn’t going to the ground when he has possession and the ball crossed the plane. Play over before he starts going to the ground

        Bow, is that actually the reasoning? Shouldn’t have to wonder. And if so, if anyone should know it’s Perera (misspelled but I can’t look it up easily on my tablet)

        Two pertinent points, one already said by HBP and I have expanded – it should be an embarrassment to the league that the networks feel the need to employ a rule expert as part of their broadcasts. . No other sport needs that.

        Second and worse- the employed expert too often comes to a different conclusion

        And the NFL is trying to expand its fan base while acknowledging their sport is too complicated to sit back and enjoy without expert help?

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’m tired of hearing “there was not enough evidence” to overturn. If you’re doing the video replay thing .. then sort it out.

    • willbest

      My understanding of the situation is if in doubt, give Golden Tate the TD.

      In all seriousness though, Dez Bryant’s non catch was ruled such because he was going to the ground despite the fact that he took two steps before going to the ground. Golden Tate doesn’t make a football move before breaking the plane, and he is headed to the ground before the second step is made. So why no complete the process?

      I can’t reconcile one to the other. If Dez had caught the ball the way he did and instead of hitting the ground on the 5 yard line did so at the minus 1 it would have been a TD. And where us simpletons have an issue with all of this is that a non catch can be a catch if it…. comes in contact with the player? at the right location on the field.

      • BerwynBomber

        I think the difference is the goal line/break the plane thing. That didn’t come into play with the Dez Bryant call but it probably had huge influence on yesterday’s Tate play.

        • willbest

          Right but the question with breaking the plane is, does the player has to have possession when they break the plane. And possession requires either completing the process to the ground or making a football move. Where was his football move?

          • BerwynBomber

            I have no answer and thought the play should have stood as an INT.

            But I do think the invisible plane leads to contradictions. Remember Uni’s near TD at the end of the first half in the first GB game last year? Turns out he never broke the plan but had he broke the plane it probably would have been ruled a TD even though his football move would have been completed short of the plane and the end zone.

            To that end I have always felt the NFL is too liberal (in favor of the O) when spotting forward progress.

          • willbest

            Agreed on that last part. In the name of safety, has gimped a lot of defensive play, but they could make it up to them through a more stingy spot.

  • MB30SD

    at least we dolled out some pain to these MFers:

    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 6h
    Lions placing RB Zach Zenner on IR with multiple cracked ribs and a partially collapsed lung.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Ouch.

    • I liked ZZ coming into the draft too. thought he could be a banger for us.

      But man, Amos brings the wood!

    • DaMurph

      Thats the kind of effort the old school Bears put out. We may have lost but you sure as hell paid a price for your victory!

      • MB30SD

        yes murph… yeeeeees.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Partially? Damn.

      • MB30SD

        Pumas?!?! Dude.

  • AlbertInTucson

    File under “Who Cares beside me?” but…

    I’m up 18 in my very basic FF league.

    Opponent has Murray and Sproles.

    My gun is empty.

    Both of my losses so far this year came on Monday night multiple TDs for the other guy.

    • willbest

      I am happy to report that my benching of Alshon Jeffery will not be the reason I lose this week. It would be that I am playing against Devante Freeman and Andrew Luck

      • In our league, Stafford scored 42! Damn.

        • AlbertInTucson

          42 is for a QB is impossible in our league.

          • Hmmm. And I only award 4 points per TD too.

            I think 42 is the highest score this season thus far.

            Get points for a 200 yd game, a 300 yd, and 400 yd game. Stafford hit all three and threw 3 TDs.

            QBs also get points for every 5 completions, but penalized for sacks and turnovers.

            Plus, big plays of over 20 yds.

            Stafford just really scorched the Bears D on multiple levels. Not sure someone will get that much again.

    • Hmmm. It’ll be close. Murray may get a TD but lil yards, but Sproles may get yards but not TDs.

      Both of them essentially make ONE 3 down back.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I also sat Odell Beckham because he was questionable. So far, I’m even on that because I put Jeremy Hill into the lineup instead.

  • MNF. Will Ender comeback to beat GP?

    http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/scoreboard?leagueId=835653&seasonId=2015

    Stay tuned…

    • The GP

      How come you don’t ask if Eli will go for 6 TDs so Shady can win?

      • Because he’s also starting the Eagle’s D?

        Man, Rivers went for 500! I don’t even think there’s a bonus I can give for that. Only up to 400 I think, but I’ll double check for perhaps going forward.

        • willbest

          Max negative looks like is -13. They can easily negate that with a blocked punt for a TD return, and then the 4-5 sacks they will invariably get if Eli is going to throw it 60 times

      • TD for you GP. ODB!

        Oh, wait…

      • MB30SD

        That racist muslim extremist stuff is messed up man. I usually go zombies for my range targets… so that I don’t offend anyone.

        http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2014/02/z4-larger-view.jpg?w=300&h=459

        • Scharfinator

          I get that, I mean who would find that offensive?

    • EnderWiggin

      Not looking good.

  • BerwynBomber

    “People were CLAMORING for Sherrick McManis to get playing time. The only thing that happens when Sherrick McManis gets playing time is you end with Sherrick McManis on the field. Lance Moore, who I didn’t know was still in the league, dominated him.”

    Agreed. He has looked horrendous in coverage. What has happened to Ball? He had some limitations but he looked like Revis Island compared to McManis.

    • T’Challa

      I was one who wanted to see what McManis could do, and now that I’ve seen him, I don’t want to see him any more at Nickel. Although I thought his skills were better suited for the outside as opposed to guarding guys in the slot.

  • MB30SD

    nice throw eli

  • MB30SD

    demarco ryans… is…. everywhere.

  • MB30SD

    this game is BRUTAL.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    Holy fucking Star Wars

    • willbest

      Yeah and Lucas didn’t have anything to do with it so we can be spared another Jar Jar, one hopes.

    • Was that fucking George Lopez?!

      the human Jar Jar binks.

    • Scharfinator

      I’m not a huge stars wars nerd, but I will admit, I’m pumped.

      I hope they do something drastic, like kill Han or something.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Ahhh, VICTORY for my guys over the first place and previously unbeaten team!

  • AlbertInTucson

    My new favorite TV commercial.

    http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/every-kid-gets-trophy-no-thanks-says-kia-sunday-night-football-ad-167379

    I understand this has gone viral.

    The PC crowd will HATE it.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Meanwhile, the Giants unraveled like an old ball of twine tonight.

    • BerwynBomber

      And looked like a machine that first drive of the game.

      NFC East is this year’s NFC South.

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

        which is every years AFC South

  • EnderWiggin

    FF:

    One point, GP…

    • The GP

      it’s a game of inches

      • MB30SD

        That’s what she said

      • You better pray the NFL doesn’t make any stat corrections GP lol

        That’s the second time you lucked out!

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