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A Look at the Phil Emery Drafts in the Wake of Jon Bostic’s Trade to New England

| September 29th, 2015

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2014

Outside of Pat O’Donnell, who I think is one heck of a punter, there is a possibility this draft does not produce a single long-term starter at any of the 22 positions. That would be a nightmare scenario for the Bears. There is also, however, a chance it produces three. If Fuller, Ferguson and Sutton are not productive components on the defense moving forward, GM Ryan Pace is truly starting from scratch with this rebuild.

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2013

Just…wow. Kyle Long was the steal of the 2013 draft. Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Chance Warmack and Jonathan Cooper were offensive linemen taking in the top ten of this draft and Long is better than all of them by a significant margin. The Bears have gotten zero production from the remainder of the selections.

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2012

It’s unlikely Shea McClellin will be a Bear in 2016 and the jury is still out on whether Alshon Jeffery is part of this new regime’s long-term plans. If he’s not, Emery could potentially be remembered as one of the worst drafters in the history of a league that allowed Matt Millen to draft yearly for basically a decade.

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  • BearDown100393

    Sutton Ferguson Sutton. Sounds like a law firm.

  • Scharfinator

    Holy shit those late picks of 2014…. I only remember Frey.

    • willbest

      Brandon Hardin was in theory going to be the Urlacher replacement but he was drafted injured and stayed that way. I think he played half a preseason game. Rodriguez pretended to be a fullback for a few games and then got arrested for something. McCoy I don’t think ever made it to the field.

      • Bender McLugh

        I remember being excited about Rodriguez being a true FB ala Clutts, but he was too stupid off the field.

        • CanadaBear

          Never really saw anything on the field either.

      • T’Challa

        I remember thinking when the Bears drafted McCoy and passed on Dennard, what a wasted pick. McCoy never made it to the season, in fact I think he was apart of the 1st round of cuts that year. Dennard played pretty well for New England that year.

      • T’Challa

        Hardin was a CB in college who they had planned to make a FS out of. After one tackle, he was hurt again. All while recovering from an injury when he was drafted.

  • huntinbare

    I imagine after 0 and three, Pace and Fox have changed their “vision”…… Now, when they walk the hallowed Halas halls they do not see players anymore….when they look around the locker room they no longer see bodies; now they see draft picks in front of each locker…some look like a 2, some 3’s and 4’s….alot of 6’s

    • DaBearsBlog

      I think they’ve had that belief since well before the season started. They knew what 2015 would be.

      • huntinbare

        Now let us hope they have correct vision and create a solid foundation….
        Relevance for years to come please
        No quick fixes…Theo-ish

      • Pissed Off

        I’m not sure they envisioned it to be quite this bad. A lot of injuries to contribute to the offensive side anyway but the D is worst in the league also. Is that part of it strictly a talent thing?

    • Sactowns#1

      There is nobody outside of Long that would garner as high as a 3rd round pick.

      • huntinbare

        It’s like we took the rusty porch swing down to the second hand shop and demanded they pay us top $ for the King Louie the 15th …nobody is buying our story

        • Sactowns#1

          Some of these people are insane thinking we’re going to trade Forte, Alshon etc for anything more than a ham samich.

  • Doc Hamstring

    Matt Millen was a train wreck. You cannot compare his record to Emery’s. Emery was only a car wreck. Millen relegated the Lions to a decade of horrid teams, including a team that went winless.

    Emery wasn’t that bad. In hindsight, he looks really bad. But he’s not “franchise-scuttling” bad.

    • BearDown100393

      Aren’t the Bears scuttling now? More players are rumored to be traded for picks.

    • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

      Had Emery been around as long as Millen was, it may have ended up being a plane crash.

  • MB30SD

    Brutal.

    In today’s sports cross-over news… this is my kind of fighter: http://www.mymmanews.com/brye-anne-russillo-fights-paige-lian-at-acc-12-for-title/

    • Bender McLugh

      Yummy

    • CanadaBear

      I guess I’m a little too old school. Never really wanted to have sex with a woman that could easily kick my ass.

      • Bender McLugh

        Watch Skin Deep again with the late great John Ritter. Great line when the muscle chica gets naked and flexes for him, “I’m scared stiff!”

        • CanadaBear

          There was some funny stuff in that movie. I never really thought John Ritter was funny until Bad Santa. The scene where he can’t bring himself to say anal sex makes me laugh every time.

      • willbest

        Its usually pretty hard to lose to a girl. mv = mv and all that. Though these gals are fighting at 150, which means if you don’t have a physically intensive job or lift regularly they probably would have a shot.

        • CanadaBear

          I lift regularly but I’m in my 60’s and 5’2″. There’s no doubt in my mind these ladies would kick my ass.

    • Sactowns#1

      Wait… she’s doing both the classic lean forward at the waist and the laying down in bed pose? -100 points.

      • MB30SD

        sigh. Sac. come on maings. Look at those huge milky titties.

        +1,100 points!

  • Emery’s drafts are still better than what Angelo did from 2006-11.

    When Emery was fired, I said we needed to see how the 13/14 drafts panned out before knowing how well he drafted. So far, not looking good.

    Was possible Fuller turned into a true #1 CB, Bostic emerged as a starter, Mills re-established himself as a competent RT, CornWash became a rotational DL, Wilson a #3 WR, Ferguson and Sutton solid DL guys, Vereen a decent S, Carey a rotational RB, Fales a solid backup QB. All of a sudden, those 2013/14 drafts look pretty good.

    Unlikely all of those things happen, unlikely none of them do. How many of them actually do would go a long way towards showing us if Emery was a good talent evaluator who just bombed at hiring coaches or was an all-around bad GM.

    So far, it’s looking like a bad all-around GM. He had 1 hit in 2012 and 1 hit in 2013. 2014 has no hits so far.

    • willbest

      How are you defining hit? Because the next DC and HC think enough for McClellin to have him lead the defense. And they liked Washington as well before he was sent to IR.

      • guys who have already proven to be quality starters. There’s still the possibility for more than 2, but from his first 2 drafts there are only 5/12 still on the roster, which is not good.

    • Harley Weewax

      After a decade of poor drafting, we should probably consider ourselves lucky that the team wasn’t worse than it was during that span. Even if the rebuilding goes well, I expect us to be paying penance for at least 5 years.

      • getting 3 borderline-HOF players to build the D around in Urlacher, Briggs, and Tillman covered a litany of sins for a while. They were able to scrape by on offense through FA.

    • Pissed Off

      I dont believe Fuller has looked at the ball once on any pass thrown his way. Every time I just see his back turned usually resulting in pass interference. Can that be fixed?

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Do you guys think if we wouldn’t have traded BMarsh to the Jets, they would have taken Kevin White?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Over Williams? Nope. No way.

    • willbest

      I think its apparent that BMarsh needed to go at this point.

      • Irish Sweetness

        .. not the question. He means if we didn’t trade away one of the best receivers in the NFL for a bag of peanuts, would Leonard Williams be a Bear …

        • willbest

          Oh so the theory is that the Jets would then have drafted White instead? I still think they draft Williams. They aren’t going to win a shoot out with Brady without a legit QB, so White isn’t worth as much to them as a D-line guy.

    • CanadaBear

      I’m guessing they wouldn’t have drafted White but can you imagine the shit show this year if BMarsh was here? I loved the guy’s production and truly believe he means well but he just wears everyone out.

      • T’Challa

        Marshall and Jeffery were basically the same type of players. We needed some diversity in the WRs. White offers us a burner, full of speed, which this offense lacks.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        I was more trying to say if we’d have traded BMarsh elsewhere, would the Jets have pulled the trigger on White leaving us to gobble up Leonard Williams.

  • willbest

    So apparently Alshon Jeffery threw out the first pitch of last night’s Cub’s game. That better mean he is playing this week.

    • Irish Sweetness

      He’s back, Cutty is out.

      • BearDown100393

        “Just a hamstring”

        • willbest

          Roid rage barbie pulls a hammy like every year and is out 3-4 weeks.

      • Sactowns#1

        I haven’t seen any reports on Cuttys status. Have they said anything yet?

      • Pissed Off

        I know you love your fantasy football and multiple sites have him starting this week. He apparently did a light workout hours before the game in Seattle running sideline to sideline so that was promising….as far as him being able to go.

    • CanadaBear

      Don’t get the connection. Walking out and throwing a baseball 60 feet doesn’t exactly translate to hanging and banging on the gridiron.

      • willbest

        Its the optics of doing fun things while you are not doing your job.

        • BearDown100393

          Don’t caaarrrreeee

        • CanadaBear

          I’m guessing he was scheduled for the first pitch for months. Anywho, hope he’s back this Sunday.

  • CanadaBear

    I started bitching about Emery after the first draft and never stopped bitching. What a tool. Hired the worst HC and DC in the league and couldn’t draft to save his life. But he rocked those granny glasses so there’s that.

    • Bender McLugh

      I remember and you were on the minority here, but you were correct. I always had rose glasses on for any new GM, so I can now thank Angelo/Emery for breaking that habbit

      • CanadaBear

        There was just something about him that didn’t seem right from the beginning. The longer Nessman was here the more pissed I was about not hiring Arians.

        • BearDown100393

          His best moment was his first press conference

    • Irish Sweetness

      Gave really good pressers though. He could sell sand to the Arabs.

  • CanadaBear

    I just don’t get Jeff’s love for the new punter. Is he better than Podlesh? Of course, he is. Is he anything out of the ordinary? Nope. Slow to get the punts off and as inconsistent as any punter I can remember on the Bears roster. You never know if he’s going to launch a 60 yarder or a 25 yarder. Not saying he won’t get better but right now he’s nothing special.

    • BearDown100393

      1st round draft pick priority ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Pissed Off

      After his 10 punts on Sunday I heard he is “day to day” with a sore foot. I remember the days when our punter was our MVP….Brad Maynard. We’re pretty much there.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Pretty sure our Packer troll made that “cheesy” joke already. See what I did there? Sorry, it seems like with every child my wife bears me I can’t fight the urge to make dad jokes.

        • Pissed Off

          I actually heard it on Rich Eisen……assuming it was tongue in cheek there also

    • Cormonster

      He certainly can’t coffin corner kick it like Bob Parsons.

  • T’Challa

    Emery’s 1st draft was hard because he was trying to get Lovie style players. He missed on drafting McClellin as a DE when Chandler Jones was still on the board. Moving up to get Alshon was a good move. But the rest of that draft was questionable at best back then. On the contrary, the Bengals had a solid draft that year. It seemed like the Bengals were drafting a solid player one after another that year.

  • BerwynBomber

    The Allen and Bostic trades seem to futher suggest that if your name isn’t Kyle Long or you aren’t part of 2015 draft or FA signee class, you’re on the clock/your time in a Bears uni could be limited.

    Pace apparently left no stone unturned in trying to move Cutler in the off-season. These trades seem a continuation of that. Maybe a slight moratorium during the PS and the first few games into the season but that’s it. More roster purging to come.

    • CanadaBear

      At this point they might as well get all the picks they can. If they aren’t going to re-sign Alshon or Forte, trade ’em. Other than Long, there should be no untouchables.

      • BerwynBomber

        Maybe Robbie too, albeit he is getting up there in years, but finding kickers who can consistently get it thru the uprights in cold weather off natural turf isn’t always easy.

    • Trac

      Just goes to show you that Bostics second fastest combine time don’t mean jack.

      I can almost picture Emery anxiously picking up the phone during the draft to pick Bostic in the 2nd round. SMH.

      • BillW

        There seems to be many GMs that want to hailed as geniuses. You can’t be considered a genius I guess unless you see something no one else does. They’d rather have 6 failures and 1 “wow!” than say 4 solid choices and 3 failures.

        I often wondered if how a team would stack up over the years picking only players based on some draft sites consensus players. I have to believe the Bears would be playoff contenders had Angelo/Emery done exactly that.

        Maybe Silver and the 538 people could do a market analysis on draft picks – under the assumption that the collective opinions of people betting money (like is done in the election markets) is the most accurate predictor.

        • SC Dave

          interesting idea

        • The thing is that pro scouts have access that the Mel Kipers of the world do not, esp with “character” and “medical” insights.
          This seems to always “spoil” all mock drafts, for better or worse.

          Sometimes I think interviewing a person is not necessarily beneficial in football.

          It’s been proven time and time again that nim-wits can win a lot of games in the NFL, and I bet Marino didn’t impress more than Fitzy in the interview, but you take Marino 10/10 times. Shit, Trestman “won” the interview, but Arians had the track record. How’d that go?

          Anyhow, it’s been my experience that the “consensus” is usually wrong, and never really exact.

          I think Mike Mayock’s top 5 at each position is perhaps the most accurate overall with gauging the consensus, but even then there were some abysmal stinkers

          http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/4/2/5570846/nfl-draft-rankings-mike-mayock-2014

          (Blaine Gabbert over Newton/Dalton rings a bell)

          I think in the long run, the success rate of hitting in the draft would probably be about the same if a GM were to follow “mock draft experts” as opposed to their own staff, but then again, the NFL scouts are usually the ones who dictate the market anyhow so it’s a bit of an echo chamber regardless.

  • CanadaBear

    You just can’t consistently miss on 1st rounders. CD and Fuller are both whiffs. Long was an awesome pick. Alshon was a good pick for sure. Ferguson/Sutton are TBD but there’s nothing so far that says they were good picks. Other than that, YIKES!

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      How much better would this team look with Chandler Jones (who EVERYONE thought was going to be the pick over CD), Aaron Donald and Leonard Williams.

      • Trac

        I know for a fact that passing on Donald was a huge blunder.

        • BerwynBomber

          Did the Bears pass on Donald or Williams? I thought they were selected before Fuller and White?

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Think he means not trading up to secure them.

          • Trac

            Yep. The guy is a baller and I should have clarified. The Rams got a beast.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          especially because it would have only taken a 4th realistically to move up two spots. Maybe a 3rd in the following years draft.

        • Irish Sweetness

          When did we pass on Donald?

      • beninnorcal

        Donald was picked by Stl before we were up. I wanted him too.

        • beninnorcal

          Same for Williams.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          most def, just wish that Emery and Pace would have had the cojones to move up and snag them.

  • BearDown100393

    Any NFL team ever do a complete fire sale for picks prior to the season trade deadline?

    • Bender McLugh

      Raiders must have

    • willbest

      No.

  • BillW

    I wish I understood the value of stockpiling #6 picks. I get the Allen move for reasons well beyond that – in effect they were doing him a favor. He tried the move to OLB without complaint and it didn’t work. So they gave him a chance to end his career on a somewhat up note.

    Bostic I get only in the sense they obviously weren’t going to use him. But are they an injury or two away from regretting letting him go for so little of a price?

    We now have two roster spots open with no one better to fill them. Therefore I doubt the moves are over.

    • BerwynBomber

      Because (theoretically) two sixes may allow you to trade them for an extra five. And having two fives may allow you trade it for another four, and having two fours … etc.

      Of course in reality those dominoes don’t fall like that, but I would assume having more picks (in general) increase your chances of being able to deal/move up. Plus, Allen’s deal was done at the end of this year, right? So move him now and at least get something in return for him (as opposed to nothing at the end of the year) if you know he is not in your 2016 plans.

      But yeah, he amounted to a damn expensive sixth round pick.

      • Johnnywad

        Exactly BB. Better a sixth rounder than zilch. He hasn’t done a damn thing for the Bears, money’s already spent, make room on the roster and get a late pick to couple with something else later.

        • BillW

          Like I said, I get moving Allen and happy we got something in return.

          Bostic I’m not as convinced but only because I don’t see who the replacement is.

          Unless there is more to come. Like packaging 2 6ths and a player for a 4th or something like that.

          • Read above/below, Bill.
            Bostic was CLUELESS.

            Fangio knows a lil something about what it takes to play LB.
            Then again, Shea is starting, so who the hell knows?

          • MB30SD

            yeah, I’m a little puzzled at all of that.

          • BillW

            I’m not saying he’s a good player. Not at all surprised they decided to get rid of him since he didn’t seem to fit.

            But it’s not like they got an offer they couldn’t refuse. They weren’t saying “can’t ever have enough 6th rounders”.

            And it’s not like they needed to clear a roster space. I haven’t read any roster moves today. I assume there will be two before practice tomorrow.

            While it’s not a fire sale it seems like a garage sale. A bunch of things you don’t want to throw out so you hope to make them cheap enough for someone to take off your hands. Not because you need the money – you just don’t want to keep looking at stuff you have no intention of ever using.

            I guess there is no more to it than that.

          • Pissed Off

            Let’s call it a dumpster fire sale. Sounds better.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Shea’s had three games, he prolly won’t get too many more.

  • 505 Bears

    Hmmm…interesting..Do we ditch Forte considering he probably is not in the future plans? What is he worth at this point? http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2015/09/29/denver-broncos-should-try-to-acquire-matt-forte-from-the-chicago-bears/

    • Scharfinator

      Not a lot. He’s a very good RB, but he is almost (maybe already) 30, on the back end of his career, and RB’s are a dime a dozen.

      • BillW

        Unless there is a contender who feels they need a solid RB this year only to as a final piece. Not sure that’s the case with anyone – but on any given Sunday that need could materialize.

        • 505 Bears

          Which is why I found that Denver article interesting. I think it is more their line than their RBs, but Kubiak does like him a workhorse back.

          • BillW

            Thanks for that link. Interesting but I can’t see the Bears trading Forte for another RB and then a lower pick. They have RBs behind Forte to use. Not sure what they could get for Forte from a team that really believed they needed someone like him, but I would hope it would be a 4 or maybe even a 3 for a team thinking its window is closing.

        • Scharfinator

          Agreed, that’s really the only possibility. I don’t have a problem with it, as long as we shoot for decent picks.

      • BerwynBomber

        RBs like Forte are not a dime a dozen, but yeah, agree with everything else and strongly suspect this is his final year.

        I also don’t think Pace is done shopping Cutty but that will wait (probably) until the off-season. The one veteran skill guy who could be a coin flip is Uni. But I have no idea what remains on his deal, etc.

        • Scharfinator

          I didn’t say he was a dime a dozen, but I can see how I might have led to that inference. My dime a dozen bit was more in regards to the availability of backs in the market and their tendency to be replaced.

        • willbest

          I think given what we have seen over the last 6 quarters, Cutler is your starting QB in 2016 unless Gase ends up getting a HC gig. Which is possible if he can get a bunch more games like the first 6 quarters out of Cutler, because then it just won’t be Peyton Manning making him look good.

          1) The Bears have a crap ton of cap even with Cutler on the roster. They aren’t going to be able to spend that 15 million if they trade him.

          2) He has shown every willingness to work with Gase and in this new system

          3) They have so many holes that BPA won’t necessarily be a QB, which means you are looking at a draft and development project not a day one starter at the position. But even if you end up with somebody like Cook or Goff, I can’t see a reason they shouldn’t hold a clipboard for a year when you have somebody like Cutler.

          • CanadaBear

            Esp since he’s guaranteed $10 mil net year.

          • willbest

            Is it a guarantee or a bonus paid out at the start of the league year? If its just guaranteed salary then whoever you trade him to will pick it up.

          • CanadaBear

            It’s part of his $16 mil salary for next year. That $16 mil salary for next year will make a lot of teams think twice.

          • willbest

            No it won’t. Its well established that a market for a 10-20 QB in the NFL is 15-18 million a year. A 5-10 talent is 18-20 and a top 5 talent is 22 mil

          • CanadaBear

            It’s also well established that Cutler sucks moose wang.

          • BillW

            Were you not entertained by what Gase was seeming to deliver based on 6 Qs this year?

          • CanadaBear

            Entertained? Somewhat. Encouraged? Slightly. Care if he’s traded or released after next year? Not at all.

          • BillW

            I know I saw this word for word somewhere (Here? JWood?). Found it but I think it’s a copy/paste like I’m doing here and not the origianl source:

            In 12 drives with Cutler at the helm (including the 2 turnover drives), the offense has averaged 51 yards and 3.1 points per possession. The NFL leaders in 2014 were at 39 yards and 2.7 points per drive. It’s a tiny sample size to be sure, but that’s a very high level of play.

            If you want to look at it another way, Chicago’s defense last year gave up 36 yards and 2.5 points per drive; that 2.5 points per drive was the worst number of any D in the NFL (yards were 30th). So Chicago’s offense this year (with Cutler) has been better than the typical offense against them last year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Eyeball test. He was playing great til he got hurt. Bennett fucked up omn one INT, and well, yeah, he threw a screamer too.

          • Pissed Off

            Let’s pump the brakes on 6 quarters. Let’s get him on the field first and foremost and get at least an 8-10 game overall guage.Then we can see how the chips fall. I am encouraged by what I’ve seen except for when the team got “Cutlered” (INT to seal the game late VS GB, pick 6 VS Ari with an injury on a failed tackle to add insult)

          • Irish Sweetness

            Gash !~ You don’t need any more than 6 Qs to see he’s got a different mentality already.

          • Pissed Off

            I beg to differ

          • Pissed Off

            Oh wait….was that sarcasm again…I’m bad with that

          • Irish Sweetness

            No he doesn’t. I heart Jay. Again.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And we only pay him 12 and 13 mill the next two years after that.

          • BerwynBomber

            A) I still think Pace wants his own QB. B) Could depend on what he thinks as Cutler as a potential mentor. C) I don’t know if this year has shown Pace anything different than he already knew about Cutler.

          • BillW

            The cap worries me actually. They will have so much room apparently I don’t see how they can effectively use it. We are all in agreement – build through the draft, not FA.

            So how do we spend that money? Maybe a bunch of one year “Show me” deals?

          • willbest

            What you end up doing is overpaying for mediocre players. Probably some LT that some other team didn’t care enough to franchise or get a deal done with.

          • BillW

            That’s what I mean. They have to spend a certain amount and they probably won’t have a roster that in sum is worth that amount. (I know it’s based on a longer term average – not each year.)

          • willbest

            Well they do have some options. Say the resign Jeffery to a TY Hilton type deal. 5yr 65mil, 38 guaranteed. Instead of paying him a 10 mil salary and a 15 mil bonus. They could just give him a 25 million salary, and then 10 million a year for the next 4.

            They could also negotiate with Long next year as he will be on the final year of his rookie contract. Though he is grossly underpaid for his talent, and his 5th year option might even be a steal as well, making it less likely a deal gets done.

          • Pissed Off

            Lets have Alshon see the field for a while in a #1 role 1st.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ain’t no #1, Kev was drafted with that in mind methinks. AJ looks nice when Brandon is on the other side … ‘member?

          • Pissed Off

            Not saying I disagree but If we’re going to potentially sign him paying him #1 money……

          • Irish Sweetness

            T.Y. Hilton and AJ are putting up pissy stats right now. Mr. Luck ??

          • Irish Sweetness

            We might have to pay big bucks to guys who are on the roster now. Guys who aren’t stars yet.

      • SC Dave

        Rbs are a dime a dozen. Matt Fortes are not.

        Bah… should have read ahead.

  • BillW

    I read the PFF article Jeff refers to giving Rodgers a negative grade. Two quick thoughts –

    The model would appear to be flawed. Similar to the Aikman (I think) rating that one week gave Tebow a higher rating than Brady. A model needs to avoid situations where the result aeems illogical.

    But I do like one aspect of it – it takes into account whether a TD pass was due to the QB (primarily) or not. I always argued that TD passes have WAY too much weight in the passer rating. In this case 3 of Rodgers TD passes were “regular” completions with the receiver fighting for the yardage.

    In addition, it did not take into account his drawing KC offsides for free plays twice, and his awareness in catching them twice with 12 on the field.

  • BerwynBomber

    Of course some of the damning the past drafts stuff comes down to player development or lack thereof (which can still be an indictment of a GM, albeit more indirectly). But as example Jon Bostic. By all accounts a miss of 2nd round pick. But then again, if Belichick turns him into a useful/effective player it would not be shocking.

    • MB30SD

      you can almost put money on it BB. Like you can smell it’s just going to happen.

      So then the question becomes, how do you get to that point as an org… as the bears org. What are the actual, actionable steps to becoming more like the pats in that regard? What needs to happen/change, and do we have those things in place now?

      We need 3 years to see, but if I was NFL ownership, that’s what I would be trying to do… without the, you know, cheating part.

      • CanadaBear

        Bostic is very athletic but has absolutely no football instincts. Can coaching help with that? If it can, he might pan out for them. If not, they just threw away a 6th round pick (they probably have about 20 of them stockpiled).

        • MB30SD

          yeah, if it was someone else besides the pats I would be very suspect. They obviously saw something they liked. As did I. He seems to be a faster, more athletic mayo or spikes who were/are both really slow… I think both ran around a 5.0 40, but were run support thumpers.

          Bostic is exactly that, but much faster. We’ll see.

          • Dude is TOTALLY clueless. He’s fast, but just means he’ll get to the wrong spot quicker. At this point, I think he might be beyond repair. It’s like trying to convert track guys. Athletic, but no instincts.

            Pats also liked Groh, who they dumped, and tried to pry Fales away from us last year, but didn’t this year, so sometimes they get it wrong too. A lot of times, actually, but they have Brady and Bill and that makes up for a lot.

          • CanadaBear

            Couldn’t agree more. I’ve never seen any player over run so many plays.

          • SC Dave

            Bostic was nothing from the start

          • Pissed Off

            C’mon dont you remember that hit heard round the world VS San Diego in a meaningless preseason game in his rookie year.

          • Bender McLugh

            Read that they are looking for Bostic to replace Mayo with Mayo being in the last year of his contract, not sure they will get what they are looking for

        • Irish Sweetness

          I always felt he should be running at the QB, that’s it. No football, just hit the QB.

      • Sactowns#1

        #1- Keep a coaching staff in place for many years, preferably one that knows something about calls on BOTH sides of the ball.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        can a team be that successful without the cheating part?

        • MB30SD

          I think so maings. I get it sucks and creates an asterisk situation, but they are the shit no matter what. Remember a couple years ago when they literally had no WR corps, they still made it work and got to like the 2nd round.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            I don’t know – i am skeptical especially since they had no WR corp and still made it to the 2nd round. They have proven enough times that they can’t be trusted to follow rules, which rules did they bend or break that year?

        • Trac

          Congress named the “Patriot Act” after them Big dick. They’re America’s team now. Hee hee.

    • Bender McLugh

      Who is this “IrishBearsFan” in the comments I wonder…..

      • In that one I’m “KissMyButkus” but changed it cuz someone else had a handle close to that.
        “Hollywood 1” is Waffle.

        • CanadaBear

          I couldn’t remember who Kiss was. I knew Johnny for sure just by the tone of the posts.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And Artoo’s handle, before I christened him !

      • Big Mike

        I love his post “Webb is an abysmal blocker due to his size and sloth,”

      • Irish Sweetness

        Wow, I forgot how much they paid for Julio Jones ….

    • BerwynBomber

      Hah! Wasn’t Carimi also the pick where Angelo’s incompetence ended up screwing the Ravens? Maybe Carimi’s resulting bust was, in part, due to the football gods meting out justice.

      • Bender McLugh

        Creamy was really good in run blocking but nothing else

    • Waffle

      ugghhh, how was Carimi that big of a bust. It had to be partly because of that knee injury. He was such a bad mofo in college.

      • Had to be that knee. Most on Da Blog were praying he’d still be available. He was a consensus top 5 OT which we desperately needed.

        But just bombed.

        • Waffle

          he bombed so epically that it was almost comical.

          • MB30SD

            where have you been sir?

          • Waffle

            my buddy just turned the corner for the worse in his cancer battle so I’ve been spending a lot of time with him watching sunday, Monday, thurs games with him, bringing over dinners to his family and stuff like that.
            Also, watching a 6’2 220lb guy with beautiful Mitt Romney-esque hair lose 80lbs all his hair, covered in sores and about to die at 47yrs old took some of the steam out of my desire to fight about football and discuss how shitty Angelo, Emery, Trestman, Tucker, Tice, etc fucked up the team.
            I’ll get back into things down the line but i’m really fucking hurting right now and just try to focus all of my energy on my guy.

          • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

            Damn, Johhny. Hang in there bro. That’s rough, man.

          • MB30SD

            fuck man. So sorry. That’s brutal. Just know that what you’re doing is massive for him. You should feel good about that. Try your hardest just to take the little good things that come. Fuck. hearing shit like that makes me sad.

          • CanadaBear

            Lost my best friend since childhood a few years ago to brain cancer and my best friend in Canada to colon cancer. Trust me, you will be repaid a million times over for being there for your friend in his time of need. Sorry you’re going through this and I hope your friend passes quietly.

          • SC Dave

            Cancer sucks

          • Waffle

            haha, we still got into an argument about Cutler last night watching Rodgers light it up and we both couldn’t stop laughing. I told him that he’d better not die because there would be no one to refute my Cutler claims. He told me he wanted to die just to hear me stop talking about Cutler.
            Classic shit.

          • CanadaBear

            We can relate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Trac

            It’s a wonderful thing you’re doing Yonny. In my whole life, my folks, wife and kids are the only kinda of friends to me that you are to your buddy.

            A friend in their deeds are few are far between.

            God bless you and your pal my man.

          • DaMurph

            You’re are good friend my man. Pray his suffering ends quickly. God bless you too Waffle!

          • AlbertInTucson

            I hear that.

            The older I get, the less important Football, and sports in general, are to me.

            The last year and a half has been an absolute crapstorm of people I care about who are my age or younger than me dropping like flies.

          • Pissed Off

            Agreed, sorry to hear about it Waffle, football is but a meaningless cog in the machine that is life…..as spoken by PO

          • CanadaBear

            About 25 years ago my mother told me the worst part about getting old was burying all your friends. Mother’s know best.

          • RenoBear

            Ouch man. I’m sorry to hear that, that is just brutal. Hang in there man. Prayers to your friend and you maing

          • WP34

            Ditto that. So sorry to hear about your friend.

      • Big Mike

        Made me hat wisconsin football for the better part of a decade. Just starting to get over it.

  • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

    Ugh.

  • Bender McLugh

    I can see J Jones taking a gamble on Cutler if Romo is out for longer than anticipated. Fat chance but still……

    • BearDown100393

      And what about the salary cap?

    • Pissed Off

      Hey Houston needs a QB, maybe we can trade em for JJ Watt straight up.

      • Scharfinator

        Hee hee this one made me laugh.

      • Irish Sweetness

        JJ Watt is as big a tool as he is good at football.

        • Pissed Off

          What makes him a tool? You must just have something against sconnies for which I dont blame you but did I miss something that makes him a d-bag?

  • I gotta give it to Cutler, at least he’s not DEMANDING to be traded. Wouldn’t you?
    Granted, perhaps the market isn’t exactly drooling for his services, but I know if I were Cuter, I would at least want a SHOT at a SB at this stage in his career.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, but other than DAL (or ARI last year) most teams desperate for a QB are a bit removed from the possibility of winning an SB. And in terms of DAL, he would only be keeping the seat warmed for Romo.

      • MB30SD

        his evil twin.

    • CanadaBear

      I’ve always thought Jay was pretty much a stand up guy. Maybe not a real nice person but someone with a moral compass.

    • BearDown100393

      Trying to remember Jay Cutler being quoted about the importance of playing in the Super Bowl…

    • AlbertInTucson

      A trade demand would have to be accompanied by an off to restructure his deal, mightily.

      • BerwynBomber

        A trade demand to a contender would also be met with chuckles/disbelief. Cutty’s not stupid enough to be unaware of that.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He gets paid 12 million in 2017, and 13 million in 2018.
        How many starting QBs get paid that little …?

    • Pissed Off

      For the money he’s making the least he can do is keep his mouth shut. This guy will never win ANY team a SB. The Bears were his best chance….2010 etc.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Strongly disagree, he’s a different player based on his play thus far this season. He wasn’t capable of winning a SB in 2010, wasn’t mature enough, too careless.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If we give him a Defense and sideline crap like Ducasse, he’ll get his shot.

  • BillW

    Regarding Jeff’s tweet on Bostic being described as a 2014 tackle leader. He was in fact second on the team behind Mundy.

    But I always laugh when people talk about a player being a team leader in anything. Every year every team has a leading tackler. And a leading rusher. And a leading passer etc. Meaningless by itself.

    • CanadaBear

      He had a lot of tackles last year. 90% of them 5 yds past the LOS or further.

  • Trac

    It’s too bad the Bears couldn’t take advantage of Olson’s skills when he was a Bear. Gotta admit that JA did draft some good players. He just couldn’t build a SB winner.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/29/pft-live-greg-olsen-tyrann-mathieu-kareem-jackson/

    • DaMurph

      Thats why I said on the previous thread, I think Emery was worse than Angelo. Emery hit on Long, but other than that? Not impressed. Alshon is good but he is never on on the field so he ends up kinda irrelevant.

      • Big Mike

        Emery was in fact worse than Angelo. Angelo got caught trying to push a team over the top that was past its prime. Never thought I’d say this but glitchy wasn’t the worst.

        • Bender McLugh

          Blasphemy!!

          • Big Mike

            the record is there. For a 4-5 years Angelo was good. Then.. not so much. Emery, never gave us good and he also hired douche nozzle as the HC

          • Big Mike

            I take it back. I went and looked at his glitchy’s draft record. He was shit for a longer period of time. So basically for 13 years the Bears have not know how to draft. They’ve gotten lucky a few times (Briggs, Forte, Tillman), in 10 years… damn

          • WP34

            Has it always been through the draft/fresh blood to build a sustain winner?

            I started watching in ’80, did we build that “black and blue” OL that we eventually had #63, 62 #78 etc… through the draft?

          • Big Mike

            Yes we did. Covert, Thayer, Bortz 1983, Becker 1982, Van Horne 1981

          • WP34

            I recall them being pretty good, I especially liked Jay Hilgenberg
            Damn we have a lot of work to do.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ’83 was an awesome draft, 7 starters :

            Jim Covert
            Willie Gault
            Mike Richardson
            Dave Duerson (R.I.P)
            Tom Thayer
            Richard Dent
            Mark Bortz

          • WP34

            Wow, that is awesome, given we hope to get 1 out of these recent years. Thanks for the data.

          • CanadaBear

            Glitchy at least had a glimmer of an idea about roster building. He always had an eye on the roster for ST’s. That’s just about all the positives I can come up with for Glitchy.

          • Big Mike

            Special Teams..Ah…the good old days.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Glitchy had a drunk pet monkey throwing darts at a draft board to make his picks

        • Irish Sweetness

          I have to disagree – with Angelo, the shite-ness at drafting was prolonged, and therefore much more expensive. 2004 wan’t bad : Harris, Tank, Berrian, Vasher.

          http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bears-huddle/2011/12/jerry-angelo-a-complete-draft-history/

          • Big Mike

            First, I have to say I’m not defending Angelo. His last 5 drafts killed the Bears. But being objective, a couple of his epic busts from that list, just plain got injured. Colombo, Carimi, Tommie Harris, (also counting Berrian as a bust, because “grossman made berrian” shows the Bias in that article). His first 4 drafts were solid. Also some of the guys this article writes off actually have played pretty well since it was written Paea, Wooton, Melton. So let’s give him a D+

            Emery gets an F. Two impact players in 3 years and one of them can’t stay on the field. Long and Jeffery

    • Big Mike

      Quarterback position killed him.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I blame Martz, who preferred Brandon Manumaleuna types.

        • Big Mike

          Not even close to his biggest problem. Those TEs were free agents. Martz cost us olsen, but in hind sight he got more out of Cutler than anyone

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          did you actually spell his name right? if so +100

          • AlbertInTucson

            I knew him when.

            He played his college ball here in Tucson at U of A.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Chris Williams, Gabe Carimi, Stan Thomas.

    We need 4th for the Bears’ “Mount Rushmore” of first round O-Line busts.

    • DaMurph

      Dave Behrman, a center ….drafted first by the Bears our of Michigan State, but went to play in the AFL instead. That qualifies as a bust.

    • Benson?
      It can be argued he cost us the SB

      • AlbertInTucson

        Stay focused, men. O-Line.

      • Irish Sweetness

        With a healthy Tommie and Mike Brown, Peyton Manning does not have a ring. This is depressing.

    • WP34

      Or a QB wall: Cade mcnown,

    • BillW

      I went back to look things up because I could not think of another. I assume you left out Columbo since he had a decent career post Bears. But in a way he was a bust.

      Another in the same vein is Rufus Mayes. (Didn’t realize he died at 42.) But he was a good player – they just traded him for 2 nobodies after his first year.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_Mayes

      Going back further is almost irrelevant.

      So there are “only” 3. Though I like DaMurph’s suggestion.

      We could leave it empty in honor of their trading the number 2 pick in the 1970 draft for several Packer washed up players.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Oh, I like the Columbo nomination a LOT. He was a bust as a Bear. Couldn’t stay on the field for any length of time that I can recall.

  • RenoBear

    All right guys… Name this player in my avatar without looking it up online. MB, here’s a proper avatar, eh?

    • WP34

      tim wright?

    • ManoManulua

      Or however you spell Orka

    • Trac

      Brian Baschnagel.

      • WP34

        #84 I really liked him.

    • Big Mike

      Moorehead

      • WP34

        think he was 87?

    • Big Mike

      “Chicago is where receivers go to die”? Marty Booker?

    • Big Mike

      or is it that gigantic tight end? marmalade or something like that?

    • MB30SD

      I don’t know mate… let’s see who he is first. haha, but yeah, better than the G my maings.

      Dezzy was 87 right… and black. hahaha

    • Trac

      Who was Tommy Waddle for a thousand please Alex.

      • He wore 87. Come on. You knew that.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Who was the toughest Bears receiver of all-time ?

    • Pissed Off

      I feel like its on the tip of my tongue but i dont know.

    • Pissed Off

      Is it the Bears tight end from Tecmo Bowl?

      • Cap Boso. Face full of turf.

        • Pissed Off

          Nailed it….thats who it was. As soon as I googled Cap Boso that image appeared.

    • CanadaBear

      The one and only Cap Boso.

  • BearDown100393

    Boogie Nights II starring D-Rose

  • FourFeathers

    Phil Emery was horrendously bad. My Lord did he do a lot of damage in 3 years. Makes Jerry Angelo look good in comparison.

    Bostic sucked in 2013 and 2014. He just did. At least we got the likely last pick or two of the 6th round for him. Better than nothing.

    • Irish Sweetness

      “Makes Jerry Angelo look good in comparison.”

      No, no, no. Nothing could make Jerry Angelo look good. Don’t let’s go there again.

  • Sactowns#1

    Can anyone who thinks Forte should be traded please raise your hand? I would like to ridicule you and your ignorance publicly. These meatheads on the radio are just laughable.

    • CanadaBear

      If the Bears aren’t going to re-sign him (and it looks like they aren’t), the smart move is to trade him. I like Forte as much as anyone on this board and hope they re-sign him to a reasonable 2-year contract but it just doesn’t look like they will.

      • Sactowns#1

        The Bears would be idiots not to sign him and Forte wont be getting a lot on the open market. Jamal Charles (one of the best in the business) signed a 2 year 18 million dollar deal at the age of 27. Forte will be 30. Frank Gore was lucky to sign a 3 year 12mil contract last year. So you’re looking at paying Forte somewhere around 6-7 mill a year. That’s a bargain and Forte will be hard pressed to get much better. In return you want what? A 5th round draft pick? lol

        • CanadaBear

          LOL all you want but if they aren’t going to re-sign him, trade him.

          • Sactowns#1

            And if they don’t plan to resign him then this front office is worse off than they were under Emery. The chance to resign a premier back for chump change vs a 5th round (most likely bust) draft pick.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m not disagreeing with you. I think Forte is one of the best backs in the league. I can’t make the leap these guys are worse than Emery over one decision.

          • SC Dave

            I could, were it that mind numbingly stupid

          • Big Mike

            I think you’re hanging on to the present too much. Forte is a very versatile, top notch running back, pass catcher and blocker. The Bears aren’t going to the playoffs with him. He’s not the difference between 3 wins and 8 wins. Gale Sayers in his prime wouldn’t make this an 10 win team. Jim Brown or Walter Payton wouldn’t take this team to the playoffs. Hell, Jim Brown and Walter Payton won’t get this team to the playoffs. They have rotted from the core. If you can get a 3rd for Forte, let him have a shot at playing in the playoffs.

        • Big Mike

          2nd round pick and he’s gone. Anything less, shouldn’t do it. I’m fearful they take a 3rd rounder for him. Good for Matt. Bad for us for the next couple years.

          • SC Dave

            I cant see a second, although even a second likely.wont be as good for us as forte finishing up here

          • Pissed Off

            The only scenario with which I’d trade him for a 2nd (and I dont give a shit if they are a contender or not) is if we have no intent to re-sign him in the offseason and if that pick can be used to get us a freaking franchise QB

          • Big Mike

            Forte for a 2nd round pick you’d be insane not to let him go. You’re over valuing him. He’s a very good player on an awful team.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No way is anyone giving up a 2nd when they can draft a future 8-year starter …

          • Big Mike

            You are oh so correct. But if someone offered it you’d take it. That was what I was responding to.

        • SC Dave

          You go Sac! I’ve become weary of fighting the idiocy of the trade forte talk

        • BillW

          Point well taken in that the Bears will be awash in cash next year without a lot of quality places to spend it (assuming they are quiet FA players as most suspect.)

          Still, if they could package him and our 37 6th round picks for a third…

          (and then I woke up.)

          • SC Dave

            Sigh… the odds of us drafting a third that has as many good years in him as forte has left is less than one in two. Probably a lot less.

          • Big Mike

            Better GM, better drafts. Repeat after me. Who is to say we are trying to draft a replacement? More picks, we can upgrade the OL which is where you always should start.

        • Forte is going to be looking at both the Gore and Lynch contracts as comparable.
          His agent can make a compelling argument that Forte is at least at their level.

          If that’s the case, I say offer him a decent contract, maybe a lil extra on guarantees for being such a trooper. And tell Forte, “this deal will be here if you want to test the open market, but we want you here.”

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      No, he deserves to end his career here. That being said, I would like his carries scaled back a bit so that we can get some more Langford into our lives.

      • Big Mike

        Are you mad at Forte? He “deserves” to end his career here? What he deserves is a chance to have 3-4 more productive years with a contender.

        • SC Dave

          I think he deserves the opportunity tk finish a bear if thats what he wants. So i agree with both of you i suppose

          • Big Mike

            If he wants to, fine. But why?

        • Pissed Off

          He’s made plenty of money in his career. He doesn’t DESERVE shit. He gets to play football for a living. What is it with you guys who think these guys are entitled to more. If he wants to leave and sign a deal with a team that might be a contender for whatever price they want to pay him then fine. But it’s not like we owe him a trade to a contender. WTF?

          • Big Mike

            Calm down. I don’t know who you guys is, but save it for the Score or some other BS site. Bear Down in Tampa said he deserves to end his career here. My comment was reflecting that spirit. If the sentiment is to do something “nice/good” for Forte, you’d let him go to a contender instead of locking him up here in Chicago. Never once was money mentioned.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          I more meant his choice in the matter is what he deserves, if he wants to be a legend in Bears lore (not a bad thing BTW) by staying here then let him do that. If he wants to win a ring somewhere else then so be it.

    • FourFeathers

      Forte will be playing for somebody else on 2016. He’s 30 years old and a high mileage running back who is the best player on the Bears. If tradeable right now then hell yes you trade him for a pick. Probably worth a 3rd rounder, but it comes down to an acquiring team having the cap space. Which is problematic for most every contender who could value from adding Forte.

      • Sactowns#1

        How in the hell do you come up with a 3rd rounder?! For what? 5 months left on his contract? You’re insane! They would be luck, LUCKY, to get a 4th.

        • Big Mike

          But if you could get a third, you would do it. Slam dunk…

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hmmm. I guess you’d have to.

      • Irish Sweetness

        We have 4 backs behind him who can run and catch the ball. Can’t see how he’s on the team next year if he wants 8M, no.

    • SC Dave

      Fuck… and i thought i was the only one on this entire blog who thought this way. Two hundred seventeen thumbs up

    • Pissed Off

      If we’re going to let him walk at the end of the year of course, if not and we have some intent to re-sign him then no. Simple as that. I would like him to get a modest deal and stay here.

      • willbest

        If we were going to resign him we would have done it already and not paid him 8 million this year.

        • Pissed Off

          Maybe yes. Maybe they think the market will be cheaper one year later when he’s one year older. Maybe they wanted to see how Langford does if they could roll with him instead maybe they were waiting to restructure maybe they wanted to see if he shows a decline this year

    • Irish Sweetness

      Bad business sense, and makes no football sense to do that now. Worth more to us on the team.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    I watched a lot of the Bucs/Texans snoozefest on Sunday. Happy to report Chris Conte hasn’t concussed himself once yet, but he still sucks, oh HenMel still has some game, Major Wright is injured and Tim Jennings got hurt, not sure what happened as I blacked out after that for awhile.

    • BerwynBomber

      In other news, Tillman is still healthy after three games. Surprised Blogfather hasn’t generated a dozen tweets over that, though no FFs or INTs yet for Peanut. Actually, CAR’s other CB (Josh Norman) may be putting together a Pro Bowl year.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      you blacked out??? did Conte magically transfer a concussion to you?

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Brock Vareen has been waived, so much for that.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      In his place we have signed a white safety. MB, you know what to do.

      • MB30SD

        Don’t you dare!

        • Big Mike
          • MB30SD

            sigh

          • DaMurph

            You know you like ya some white safety! You were six inches and a second short of the NFL my friend!

          • Big Mike

            So you’re saying he @MB30SD:disqus was short and slow.. Damn.. that’s harsh. I figure I was about 3 inches and a 1/2 second from a shot..

          • DaMurph

            Well I might be a little harsh on the second, but to make 6’1- 6’2 he needs 6 inches!

          • Big Mike

            That’s better. I mean if he needs a full second, he’s probably running a 5.8 40. A time otherwise reserved for the slowest of NTs.

          • DaMurph

            He had great instincts! …………And still does!

          • Big Mike

            Football IQ we call it. You see it in kids as early as middle school. Sometimes you never see it.

          • DaMurph

            I was actually referring to his Boob instincts! Hahahaha!

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha… I don’t know whether to say thanks or fuck you Murph!

            Hahaha

          • DaMurph

            I keeeeed I keeeeed! On the one second thing!

    • CanadaBear

      No surprise.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        def not, I just liked him so much coming out of school. Thought he could play in the league.

        • CanadaBear

          I guess that’s the good part about me not watching college ball. I never have any rooting interest in any of these guys coming into the NFL.

    • Pissed Off

      Brock Vereen…….he gone.

    • Irish Sweetness

      YAYYY!

  • Pissed Off

    The dumpster fire sale continues….

  • CanadaBear

    I’ll give these guys credit for having the stones to dismantle this train wreck and go all in on a rebuild. I wish they would have done this the day they arrived but better late than never.

    • They probably also knew how HORRIBLE the coaching was.
      Is like adopting a kid. Oh, poor kid. You take him in. You feed and clothe him.
      Then he burns down car.

      Take him back, “Never mind. Can’t be fixed.”

      • CanadaBear

        Not trying to defend the old guys but can you imagine what Peanut, Briggs and a few other vets must have thought when Nessman was leading them and Tucker was running the 2004 version of the Tampa 2?

    • BerwynBomber

      The only thing I can figure is that once Pace could not move Cutler and/or snare the Mariota pick he made the calculation, “ok, I’ll give 2015 a shot but the moment the playoffs become an unrealistic goal, the big purge begins.”

      • Irish Sweetness

        Gase & co thought Cutty could be put back on track,. And they were right, no?

  • CanadaBear
    • Big Mike

      Damn Bellichik ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Big Mike
    • DaMurph

      He is proving worse than we thought!

      • SC Dave

        Well, at least proving worse than the current staff believes.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “The gift that keeps on giving.”

  • Sactowns#1

    Jay and a pick for Cam Newton. Would anyone not take that deal?

    • DaMurph

      Jay and one of those 6th rounders?

      • Sactowns#1

        Nah it would prob have to be a 2nd or 3rd plus a late rounder. Expensive but I like the guys game.

        • TheBigCheesy

          Why would carolina do that

          • SC Dave

            They would…if they hired Phil Emery

          • BerwynBomber

            Emery would then re-structure Cutty’s deal to make him the highest paid player in the league and hire a fellow nerd as HC.

          • BearDown100393

            “Growing Men, Losing Games” authored by Marc Trestman

    • AlbertInTucson

      Um, Carolina, for starters.

      • SC Dave

        No shit!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Nope. The train is on the superbowl track. Believe.

  • DaMurph

    How bad is it that we sign two players waived from the Jags? Damn, can they really be better than Vereen? They couldnt play for the fucking Jags!!! The linebacker better than Bostic?

    • BillW

      Got to believe these are for special teams.

    • Big Mike

      Funny you say that. I was commenting to a buddy. You know all those teams that you never give two thoughts to, like I don’t know Jacksonville, Tampa, Tennessee.. They are all better than us.

      • With Clausen, yeah. With Cutty – a push

      • Irish Sweetness

        Not with Cutty on board. Acho is in place now, and I feel Fox will eventually jettison CD for Timu.

        • Big Mike

          As we stand now, we are the worst team in football. Going to the bottom. We could be 0-6 and it would not be a surprise. We have an inexperienced football team, that is relatively old. How does that happen?

  • RenoBear

    The avatar is Cap Boso my friends, I think Canada got it first. I remember the sun-times pic from when I was a teenager like yesterday. It was a better pic than this one.. Turf hanging down one side of the helmet and you can see his one eye looking possessed. It was badass

    • BillW

      Wow – Captain Bozo. That’s one I totally forgot.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I BELIEVE that was from a Monday Night game against the Jets where the Bears miraculously sent the game into OT and then won it.

      • BillW

        Is that the game where Mongo stood up a ball carrier with one arm and ripped the ball out with the other, then fell on it?

        Dan Dierdorf’s man-crush for him after that play was memorable.

        • SC Dave

          Mongo… ah some good memories of that guy. A dt with a season over ONE HUNDRED tackles. a fucking DT

          • DaMurph

            Compared to production of todays DT’s, Mongos sacks and tackles make him elite! He was insanely underrated, but when you play with Hampton and Dent and Fridge being the sideshow, his production often overlooked. He retired with 95 sacks and 838 tackles.Sapp is in HOF with 96.5 and 435 Sapp played 13 years, McMichael 15, one in GB and New England where he basically had no stats. Obviously Mongo has HOF numbers when compared to Warren Sapp His 13 years in Chicago 92.5 and 813

          • SC Dave

            Hampton was done by 1989 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HampDa01.htm), tho Dent was still an animal.

            But, yes, Mondo measures up well against any DT I know of in NFL history.

        • BillW

          “That’s why he goes to the Pro Bowl while other guys just sit!” Or something like that. I actually got chills when I saw the play and while Dan Dierdorf could be annoying there was no way to overstate that play. The Bears went on to tie the game after the TO and win in OT. (Twice I think, in that they thought they scored but didn’t and had to come out of the locker room to run another play that was a TD>)

    • Pissed Off

      What my “tecmo bowl” TE comment didn’t cut it

      • RenoBear

        ahh, i guess that’s acceptable ha… i thought Canada’s came in first man…

    • Irish Sweetness

      Dude ! I loved Cap Boso !

  • WP34

    The Bears announced a few roster moves on Tuesday as they signed S Chris Prosinski and LB LaRoy Reynolds.

    The Eagles released safety Chris Prosinski on Friday. Prosinski was a solid special teams player, recording seven tackles over eight games which makes it somewhat of a surprise.

  • BillW

    From the Tribunal:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-brock-vereen-waived-20150929-story.html

    As I guessed, they were signed for special teams. I love the description of Vereen, which essentially says Fox liked him until he saw him play football.

    • Big Mike

      no way.. Did it really

      • BillW

        “Coach John Fox said he liked Vereenโ€™s cover skills coming out of Minnesota during the 2014 pre-draft process. But he quickly fell out of favor once players began practicing in pads. He was demoted after the first preseason game.”

        • Big Mike

          That’s epic.. I like the way you worded it better. Nice Job.

        • And yet they had Vereen covering Graham.

          • Johnnywad

            Without help.

            Bet you real money that was a serious communication breakdown on the field and Fangio was shitting a solid gold brick as the ball was snapped.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    You can’t have Kyle Long. https://twitter.com/mchappell51/status/648957777147248640 โ€ฆ”

    Someone said they’d take either of the Bears’ guards. Has he SEEN Ducasse play?

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    It’s not a fire sale, folks. It’s a purge. And a purge is a good thing.”

    Joe Stalin was BIG on purges.

    • Scharfinator

      SO are my bowels after Subway…. never again.

      • Johnnywad

        What did you get Scharf? The Jared Special?

        • Scharfinator

          Nah, I think I’m too old for him…

  • BillW

    Comment on PFT regarding the Bears “purge” (I prefer Garage Sale):

    YOU get a Bear, and YOU get a Bear, and YOU get a Bear…
    – Oprah

    • Big Mike

      that’s good.

  • BearDown100393

    Drew Brees. Make it so.

    • willbest

      Drew Brees for Cutler straight up? Probably a fair trade. He doesn’t look that hot when they can’t protect him and he doesn’t have people to throw to.

      • Pissed Off

        That is some funny shit bro

      • TheBigCheesy

        Jesus H

    • BerwynBomber

      For Cutler? Hah! That is as absurd as CAR trading Cam for Cutty, though I’m sure Pace would consider selling a relative to ISIS to make it happen.

      • willbest

        In fairness, Brees is 37. You get maybe 2 years out of him.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I have relatives I will sell to ISIS … link ? Second thoughts, I have relatives I will give to ISIS … link ?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Dude ….. toasted. He done.

  • Sactowns#1

    Jimmy Garoppolo!!!!!!!! Man did we whiff when we passed on him. ๐Ÿ™

    • Pissed Off

      What has he shown? Oh that’s right nothing he’s a backup we have no idea how he would look in a real game or over the course of a season. New England has even whiffed on him at this point.

      • Scharfinator

        Do they not use sarcasm where you live?

        • Pissed Off

          No you have to let me know when you are using it. Im from out of town.

          • SC Dave

            I have a hard time with that font too.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I think it was a fair comment. Sarcasm should be clearly noted as such.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    these trade proposals people are posting are pretty laughable, the only way the Bears would get a team to give a 2nd round pick for Forte, or Newton/Brees for Cutty is if Pace goes full Cosby and drugs the other teams GM to make the deal.

    • Yeah, the most we’d get for Forte is a 4rth by a very desperate team, but I doubt even that.
      We got a 6th for Bmarsh. A 5th for Forte would be more realistic.

      • Sactowns#1

        And look at all the 5th rounders of the past couple of years and where they are now.

      • Big Mike

        Which I was I was incredulous on another post below when I said you take a 2 for Forte in a heartbeat and there was disagreement.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Given we got him with a 2, I don’t know how we wouldn’t take a 2 for him now. That would be daylight robbery on our part.

    • BerwynBomber

      Early predictions:

      a) Cutty will be moved in the off-season
      b) Forte will be allowed to walk
      c) Uni will stay unless another team comes knocking with a nice offer
      d) I have no idea what they will do with Alshon.

      • I think with Alshon, it depends on what he demands.
        He definitely should earn LESS than an overpaid Hilton, but agents always follow precedents.

        I think he stays, even if he’s franchised for one year. Even though it’s a new regime, coaches are reluctant to letting young talent walk out the door.

        • BerwynBomber

          Valid point. And as unavailable as Alshon himself has been, the Kevin White injury would presumably give him huge leverage.

          • Sactowns#1

            Please don’t mention that draft pick ever again. At least not unless he makes the pro bowl or paralyzes Rodgers after an INT.

        • Pissed Off

          A lot of questions should be answered by oct 28th

      • Irish Sweetness

        I know we only have a 1.5 game sample on 2015 Cutty, but I like what I saw.

        Given that the penny has dropped for our boy (if indeed it has) ….

        Why would we trade Cutty? He makes 16M next year, but only 12M and 13M through 2018. That’s a good deal for us.

  • 505 Bears

    Pace going full Ari Gold on this squad!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkhWE9N9inY

  • Big Mike

    Just watched offensive all 22 on Seattle game. Whatever you thought about Clausen, it’s worse. He’s Caleb Hanie. 1 read, slow to make it, slow release and not much zip. Pocket presence is ok, not good, not bad. Long is a beast. Slauson spend the day chop blocking and diving at the feet of the LBs. Bushrod, was solid in pass protection, but when he was on the backside of a play his man was making plays all day long. Montgomery is way better than Garza. Receivers blocked only ok. Bennet had a few missed assignments. Any plays in particular you want to know about leave a comment. I’m cutting and pasting some screenshots for my 8th grade team as a coaching tool.

    • I’m curious about Goldman and Ball, coach

      • SC Dave

        A non-emo report on Shea, please.

        • Big Mike

          First half Shea was good in coverage. He gave up a play to Jimmy Graham. But he had good coverage on a 10 yard out. (it’s the play where Graham was ruled down got up and ran a few more yards and the challenge was denied). Against the run he looked like a LB. He was making plays or chasing plays sideline to sideline. Some plays he got blocked, some plays he defeated the block. His best run play was 3rd and 1, Seattle was at their 27. The LG whacks him Shea takes the hit, sheds the block, comes back to his right and redirects the play to pursuit for a loss. His worse play was when the Bears lost coverage on Lynch on 4th and 1. (see comments on A Ball below)

          He had good coverage in the second half, some of the sacks and pressures had to do with Shea picking up the back out of the backfield, or having Graham covered. On the deep completion to Baldwin (22 yards), Shea blitzed got chipped and was right at Wilson’s feet as the ball was released. Close, no cigar.

          His play can be summed up as competent. He didn’t have any huge impact plays, he also didn’t get blown up.

          This game simply leaked away from the Bears until it looked like a blow out. The defense didn’t wear down, but Seattle simply had too many chances to figure out a combination, get a rhythm, get a play or two to work and move the chains.

          Of all the positions where the Bears need to upgrade. Middle LB is way down on the list.

      • Bender McLugh

        Ball seemed to be better this game, at first glance anyway

      • Big Mike

        91 was largely a non-factor. He played 5 series before the game got out of control. I stopped watching after that. Most times when he was doubled he got blown back. He split the double team once got off the block and rerouted the ball carrier. He showed a decent swim move and looked more comfortable playing head up on the center than in the 3 technique. He works hard to the end of each play.

        24 was largely unchallenged until the 2 minute drill. Up to that point he showed good reaction on run plays and came up solid on run support. In the 2 minute drill, he gave up a 19 yard completion in which he turned to soon and got himself out of position. He was also involved in a blown coverage, when Lynch went uncovered. He had 3 very nice plays in a row at the end of the half. The first he picked up a receiver dragging across the back of the end zone and re-routed him out of bounds, than he made back to back plays in the corner of the end zone. The second half he had on pass completed on him. He lost coverage on a crossing route on the Seahawks first offensive play of the second half (after the ST unit forgot what they were doing). I thought he looked pretty good. Jimmy Graham did most of the damage to the secondary and the Bears haven’t been able to cover a tight end this century. In run support he did get sucked in and sealed a couple times on play action,

    • Trac

      I posted Clauson ‘ s stats from 2010 a few days ago when he started against the Bears and tanked. He’s the same qb he was back then. I think Fox and Pace had a plan A and a plan B from the start.

      Plan A) If Cutty stays healthy, let’s try to make this roster work.

      Plan B) If Cutty gets hurt, let’s clean house and have a fire sale.

      • BerwynBomber

        My bet it was more we’ll give 2015 a go but as soon as the playoffs become a pipe dream it is fire sale time.

        As bad as Clausen is, it is highly debatable whether he has cost them a single game yet. Unless you sincerely believe Cutty would have won in SEA.

        • Trac

          That’s about right.

    • BearDown100393

      Good Lord you are brave to rewatch that crap

      • Big Mike

        It’s different when you’re breaking down film as a coach. I was focused n funding good examples of double teaming up to the Lbs and sealing the edge. Also examples of pulls, backside blocking and blitz pick up

    • AlbertInTucson

      I submit that comparison is an insult.

      To Caleb Haney.

      • Big Mike

        Not sure. Neither of them was/is any good.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Oh, I didn’t mean to imply EITHER was any good but

          Haney did actually once hit Johnny Knox for an 80 yard TD and it wasn’t a screen pass or a quick slant, it was an actual BOMB!

          As I recall he could also scramble a bit.

          Haney was poor.

          Clausen is pathetic.

          Can Fales be worse?

          Don’t answer that last question.

          • SC Dave

            No. Well maybe. Oh shit…

          • Irish Sweetness

            I recall Hanie being quite good in the playoff game … in between interceptions.
            Wait ….

          • Big Mike

            Caleb Hanie threw that bomb blindly. He was terrible. Clausen was going against the Seahawks, in Seattle without any real wide receivers. He’s terrible alright, but you have to look at the Seattle game differently.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Is Ducasse as bad as I think he is? Does he have any upside in the run game?

      • Big Mike

        I think he and Long will be ok. Some of the troubles over there are 2 guys never playing next to each other. Ducasse has potential. His mistakes appeared to me to be more based on technique and assignment than being physically overwhelmed.

  • From the rumor-mill

    ESPN’s Ed Werder reports the Cowboys have not discussed trading for Bears RB Matt Forte or WR Alshon Jeffery.

    Both players are in contract years and could be moved before the October 28 trade deadline if the Bears decide to purge their roster. After dealing Jared Allen and Jon Bostic, it certainly looks like Chicago could head down that path. Although any offense could use an all-purpose game changer like Forte, Cowboys lead back Joseph Randle currently ranks ninth in the NFL in rushing. – Roto

    • Pissed Off

      That’s the problem with all of this some say boy a team could really use a good rb like that for a couple years and then say we should trade him for a 2nd rounder or less. We could use a good rb like that for a couple more years also couldn’t we? My point is that we should try and resign him if we can for market value unless someone makes us an offer we and refuse which can be used toward getting a franchise qb

      • SC Dave

        This. The odds of replacing a player as good as Forte with even a second rounder are slim, at best.

        • Scharfinator

          Maybe. It depends what time period you’re speaking of. Next year? Probably not. In 5 years? I think we know which one is more likely to still be in the league…

          • SC Dave

            Yes, maybe. Bears second round picks the past decade

            Goldman
            Ferguson
            Bostic
            Jeffery
            Paea

            Forte
            Bazuin
            Hester

            Granted, Hester was the bomb and most exciting player since Butkus/Sayers, but of all, who is *your* choice to be in the league in 3 years? I know mine.

          • Scharfinator

            Jeffrey, though in a Bears uni, I’m not sure.

  • Here’s a good question. Many assume that the Bears are the worst team in the NFL with the #1 overall pick.
    Well, with Clausen, perhaps.
    But the Lions are pretty horrible too and have a shot at the #1 overall too.

    So I wonder, if they do earn that pick, if they draft a QB and dump Fat Lesbo?

    • Trac

      It’s gonna be hard to lose even once to the Bears this year.

  • Interesting. Just heard that Derrick Rose is MORE polarizing than Cutler in CHI.

    Is that even possible?

    • DaMurph

      Oh yeah, the guy is always hurt yet calls himself elite and is a horseshit teammate

      • SC Dave

        I dont follow basketball, but that nails my impression of Rose. You can’t help the club if you’re riding the tub.

        • The Alshon of the NBA

          • SC Dave

            Disagree. Alshon keeps his mouth shut.

        • Trac

          Me neither. Not since the days of MJ, Magic, Bird, The Mailman and Isaiah.

      • He strikes me as an obnoxious Grant Hill, who oh yeah, may have drugged and gang-raped a girl.

    • BearDown100393

      Pride and joy of the Chicago Public School system

    • BerwynBomber

      No surprise. Cutler has had his d-bag moments but mainly they have been of the minor kind and confined to the field of play/sidelines or being snide with the press.
      Rose? He has basically said he is in it for the money and he puts self-interest above all else. Plus, the whole Mr. Humility act has been laid bare and his “posse”, mainly his brother, have come off like disruptive crybabies.
      Jay may be Jay but he is also always Jay. Rose, OTH, has begun to come off as a greedy phony.

    • Trac

      Ha! The mob is fickle my brother.

      • Trac

        G

    • AlbertInTucson

      Remember: NBA contracts are 100% guaranteed.

    • wreckinball

      I’m not thrilled with either of their attitudes
      Rose is more full of himself than Cutler

      • Big Mike

        Cutler is a prince compared to Rose. Cutler has no entourage, or “Camp” who speaks for him, he’s never bad mouthed the organization or another player, he faces the music every single week. Good game, bad game. Cutler looks like he enjoys the game and his teammates. Rose..I’m not even going to start.

    • Big Mike
  • AlbertInTucson

    Jimmy Clausen’s QBR from Sunday: 8.9

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      are you sure that’s pretty high?

      • AlbertInTucson

        He pumped it up by not getting picked.

    • Is this the first time in NFL history where a team punted more than their QBs QBR?

      Punts=10
      QBR=8.0
      Wins=0

      • BerwynBomber

        Another funny stat was that SEA had more in return yardage than we did total offense. Then again, I bet we did the same to a team during the Hester/Lach years.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Let’s say “Strange” stat.

          I saw nothing “funny”.

        • willbest

          Didn’t we break some sort of NFL record on return yards that week we played the Packers last year?

      • TheBigCheesy

        I’m pretty sure that happens almost every week. Jay cutler had a 3.9 against New Orleans last year. Did the Bears punt 4 times that game? He threw a bunch of picks so maybe not?

      • Big Mike

        Great stat.

    • Trac

      The sad truth is that I think what we saw from Clauson last week is a typical performance from him.

    • Big Mike

      SMH..

  • MB30SD
    • Trac

      For up top?

    • That looks awesome. I always get a lil irritated around my adam’s apple.
      It’s local, too, Irvine!

      But lasers around my neck? hmmmmm

      • Scharfinator

        There is a star wars reference somewhere in there…

        Either way, why does everyone shave against the grain in these videos? WTF?

        • haha It’s like those hose infos.

          In everyone, it looks like some poor schmuck is having a life and death battle with a garden hose like it’s a 20 pound python

    • SC Dave

      It is, of course, a fraud

      • MB30SD

        why’s that dave?

        • SC Dave

          Okay, I stated that wrong. I should have merely suggested that you wait until you find out whether it works before shelling out too much money.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            got a point. I did a kickstarter for a 3d printer over a year ago and they are still fine tuning the software and tweaking everything. Quality has been good enough for what i need it for but if i needed it to higher detailed, i would have been majoryl disappointed.

          • MB30SD

            Ahhhhh… well, 1.6 mill in backers have so far. I don’t know about malfunctions, loosing your entire chin over a shave seems like a lot of downside risk.

  • Trac

    Holy Cow!!! The Cubs actually clinched a playoff berth?

    See how I did that? He he.

    • madscout12

    • wreckinball

      Amazing had zero expectations for them and WTF in a good way

  • wreckinball

    A loss to Oak and its wear the bag time
    That’s some serious shitty drafting
    Guess it can only get better

    • OAK isn’t horrible.

      Carr, Murray, Crabtree, Cooper, etc are more high-flying than ppl give them credit for.
      They got Mack leading that D, though it’s still shaky.

      Even with Cutty this would be a tough match-up, but without him, I don’t think we can keep up with their O without some turnovers.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    for those talking about Derrick Rose. he needs surgery after first practice.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/derrick-rose-suffers-orbital-fracture–will-have-surgery-225627841.html

    • Bender McLugh

      So effed up

  • AlbertInTucson

    Alshon Jeffrey,

    What’s the Over/Under on when he comes up lame next?

  • Big Mike

    New thread.

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