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A Conversation with Sun-Times Beat Writer Adam Jahns [AUDIO]

| May 28th, 2015

I had a lot of questions. Adam Jahns always has a lot of answers. On this pod we discuss:

    • The fallout of the Ray McDonald signing at Halas Hall.
    • Was Cliff Stein demoted with the hiring of Joey Laine? (Sure sounds like he was)
    • Where the hell is Martellus Bennett and what does he want?
    • Would giving Matt Forte another year tacked on to his deal suffice or is the back looking for a multi-year commitment?
    • Shea McClellin. Lots and lots of Shea McClellin.
    • The Ultra-Positive: observations from the John Fox practice field.

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  • AlbertInTucson

    “The fallout of the Ray McDonald signing at Halas Hall.”

    Put away the whip,already. THAT horse is dead!

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      come on that move destabilized the organization, its going to send the NFL into an irreversible tail spin, which in turn will cause the economy to crash, leading to the greatest depression in history. In order rectify the economy business will stop following EPA regulation therefore speeding up global warming which will cause sea levels to rise while and then environment will be ruined causing us all to die. So Thanks Ray McDonald and the Bears for signing him.

      • BearDown100393

        Screwed up those coral reefs also. Thanks a lot Ray.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Dammit. HBP! You overloaded my sarcasm meter!

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          don’t even get me started at the possible impacts on the universe this will have.

          • BillW

            What – did he kill a butterfly too?

            The biggest impact so far seems to be on Jeff. Thank God I don’t live in that world.

  • AlbertInTucson

    1:23 “You have half the fans, I think, saying , I think it’s a little more than half saying, ‘They should never have signed this guy’…”.

    One again, I submit that the MAJOIRTY of posts on the Ray McDonald issue on this blog were of the
    “Eh, they took a chance, it didn’t work out, he’s gone now” camp.

    Please stop MAKING UP statistics/facts that support your position.

    • The GP

      Al,

      You may have slept through the posts, I know you’re getting up there in age – but we discussed how the NFL might regulate such that it can mitigate taking chances on guys with domestic violence issues. I know you very much want to promote the narrative that fans are “over it” and we “move on”, but there is more story about the Bears evaluation process and owners in general that are worth discussing.

      Luckily, Adam and Jeff talked about that.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I respect your opinions but I don’t care for or accept the concept that the blog is “a dingy alley” and Jeff’s clear implication more sentient beings are on Twitter (HAH!) and email.

        • The GP

          I was just joking Al.

          We’re the hardcore. We’re the select few, not just on the blogosphere but in Chicago (because I actually live here and talk to Bears fans all the time on the train), who really give a shit that Shae McCellin is looking like the new ILB signal caller.

          There are guys you meet in the crowds at Bourbonaiss who care as much as the rank and file here, but in my profession I don’t encounter them anywhere but here.

          I can also tell you that my S.O. is a female C-level at a big Chicago company. One that drops deep six figures on Bears advertising in their programs. She watches the Bears because I like them and because they advertise there. She and her boss, who is the CEO, thought the Bears made a bad bad step with McDonald.

          So I get it – down there in Arizona you just want people to move on from the story. But to people here, not being the Raiders and having more Charles Tillmans and fewer Ray McDonalds means a helluva lot when you are dropping major coin on the team. And that’s what the knuckle draggers here, especially, really don’t get.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Blogfather seemed ready to accept us as the folks residing in the alley.

          • Doc Hamstring

            You’ve made a really good point that I hope doesn’t get lost. The Bears have a tradition of having good guys on the team. Guys who transcend the game, in many cases.

            While I think the McDonald signing wasn’t a BFD–it was a mistake, one that luckily played out before he played a down in the navy & orange–it’s a mistake that should never be repeated. The Bears should be known as the team that had Charles Tillman, not the team that signed Ray McDonald.

            In other words, the Bears are not the Raiders.

            Hell, I lost it for Wanny when they got Bryan Cox. That jerk exemplified everything the Bears are not. Let’s hope Fox/Gase haven’t had their Wanny moment already.

          • BearDown100393

            They haven’t and IMO won’t.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i would not be so fast to say the Bears are not the Raiders. between 2000 and 2013, the Bears had more arrests than the raiders.

            http://www.thephinsider.com/2013/6/29/4476652/nfl-arrests-by-team-since-2000

          • Scharfinator

            A sobering statistic.

            Both for Bears AND Raiders fans.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Our defense was all-time terrible, and that must sting a guy like George who was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth and hasn’t done jack shit in his life. He wanted some teeth on the D, and he rolled the dice on a guy Papa Bear wouldn’t have looked twice at. But it’s already yesterday’s news.

          • BearDown100393

            All true but I will give him this… George McCaskey stood up, acknowledged the mutual disappointment, swept away those responsible and with consultation brought on board Pace and Fox.

          • Joecashflow

            I agree on the Bryan Cox LB FA trade. I think he played for the Fins before us. But I kinda liked him on Hard Knocks as a coach. Being a jerk player somehow transcended into being a good coach and family man.

          • BearDown100393

            At least on camera?

          • Joecashflow

            Giving him benefit of doubt. Kept his job, after head coach change. His players say good things. Not on any rap sheets.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I will be so pumped if Shea makes it. He will be testimony to the clown cars we’ve had in charge

          • BearDown100393

            And if he does not?

          • Maybe it is different for the Bears diaspora.

            To me, they took a shot on a guy with a questionable pattern of behavior, like Bmarsh. Dude screwed up. He was fired. No harm, no foul.

            But perhaps to those in the city it portended more things to come, but I just don’t see it.

            McCaskey’s are a lot of things, but they aren’t Jerry Jones or Al Davis.

            I don’t ever see them taking a chance on someone who was CONVICTED of an offensive crime, esp in this day and age.

            Could be wrong, but I doubt it, and that’s why I don’t consider it a big deal.

        • DaBearsBlog

          In no way was that my implication. My statement was that this is a small minority of the sample size.

    • DaBearsBlog

      You do realize that this blog does not represent a majority of anything. I get more emails/Twitter comments than comments on here. I also speak with folks like Adam who receive THOUSANDS of emails.

      • The GP

        Da Blog is like a dingy alley, full of hobos and needle addicts, and we’re those hobos who just lay on the ground and grunt at each other. Jeff goes out to the street and talks to non-degenerates.

        • DaBearsBlog

          I love this alley even though I ramble down here far less than I used to. But to assume it is somehow representative of the whole of Bears fans is misguided.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’d imagine it’s the opposite of what general fans think, but I don’t even live in the states or talk to fans (other than on here) so I don’t know.

            Isn’t there a pretty even spread of opinions on here?

        • AlbertInTucson

          So Da Blog has been thrown under the bus.

          • BearDown100393

            We are now all Jay.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll take the money.

        • BearDown100393

          Sure give hobos a bad rep.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Ohh, Twitter! Well, THAT’S certainly the barometer of truth.

        My comments specifically referenced this Blog.

        You felt the need to do an end run.

        I don’t Tweet.

        I don’t read your emails.

        • BearDown100393

          I just post.

        • BillW

          Al – I’m with you. I’ve typed and deleted 3-4 posts the past couple of threads expressing a sense of disappointment in Jeff. I just can’t find the right words.

          I do feel that Twitter can create a false sense of importance. You have some large number of followers and you can begin to believe what you think and say is really important to them – discounting the idea that maybe you are simply one of many sources of Bears info.

          That comes through to me when I see things (on the right side of the blog in Chrome) about topics far removed from football.

          To say nothing of the fact that I firmly beleive one cannot effectively communicate anything other than a simple fact in 140 characters. “New blog post.” Bears cut McDonald” etc. as examples.

          Not stuff like “Sometimes you have to sit back & applaud the Sepp Blatters & Vlad Putins of the world. They live behind a wall of impenetrable delusion.”

          I said it in another post – it sure seems like Jeff has gotten full of himself. Pot calling the kettle black? I don’t think so mainly because I don’t host a blog.

          I’m a customer and you can take this as filling out the comment sheet (you know – the ones that restaurants and hotels leave behind and then hrow away because they really don’t want to know, they just want people to think they want to know.

          Jeff asked what we wanted the blog to become. I complimented him for that. Now he says he comes here far less than he used to.

          So I’m confused and disappointed. I do know this – take this same level of discussion over to JWood’s site and I’d never come here again.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            NO SOUP FOR YOU!

            quit whining.

          • AlbertInTucson

            A Larry Thomas reference!

          • DaBearsBlog

            So you’d like me to not use my Twitter feed or my site to voice my opinions? What should I do with them?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think they mean stop posting the twitter feed on here … but it’s your site in fairness, and your call. I think it’s a fair diversion, and you can maybe catch something new that’s happened with a quick look at the feed. I get my Bear news from here usually, before I see it anywhere else.

          • Johnnywad

            Lighten up Francis. Jeff hosts a site where literally anybody, even sociopaths from Romania, can post and discuss their opinions. And yet, you keep bashing him for having his own. I don’t get it. If Jeff didn’t have opinions, this place wouldn’t exist. You’re starting to sound like an old lady again.

          • Joecashflow

            I suspect twitter is a necessary marketing evil for Jeff, to keep his voice out there. All the big boy sports writers do it. And since Jeff is also a huge Bears fan, I suspect it also is a release of fan emotions. Nuttin wrong with either of those avenues, so give him a break. Just because you don’t see the value of twitter, maybe others might?

      • BearDown100393

        Thousands?

        • Scharfinator

          He definitely reads *all* of them, compiles the data, and runs statistical analysis. How else does the media support their claims? 😛

    • SC Dave

      I said don’t sign him

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Jeff could to a poll, and we would get a good feeling on what our fellow readers actually think on the issue.

  • The GP

    “The Bears are VERY VERY HIGH on Shae McCellin. They see him as Patrick Willis in this defense. This is a real thing.” – Adam.

    I like how Jeff just laughs his ass off.

    • BearDown100393

      If this is true, the Trestman Era will be reminisced as the golden era.

    • SC Dave

      Be as sarcastic as you wish. I’ll wait to see how it plays out, because *I* think that professional football coaches just *might* know more about players than I do.

      • The GP

        Thanks Dave. I will.

        Shae can prove it. He played SS backer in a 4-3 last year, or did you forget? Maybe catch some tape on that. Tell us how you think he did.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I think at some point, we have to accept that Emery’s regime and scouts, and POX’s regime and scouts, have evaluated Shea as being a smart guy with upside. You can’t get smarter, but you can get in the gym and get buff. That’s what guys like Ray McDonald tell me – the NFL is full of buff idiots. If you have a modicum of intelligence you can make a career in the NFL – like in the military – by just doing what you’re told.

      Shea looked to be Lac’s replacement when we signed him. He may well turn out to be who we thought he was. Not Lac, but his replacement. It just took a while.

      I hope ….

    • BearDown100393

      Shae was pretty hot on GOT. Up until she was strangled to death by the imp.

  • The GP

    I also like how Adam says Bostic hated playing 4-3/C2. He was not a 4-3 LB.

    It appears McCellin and Christian Jones will be the starting ILBs. Fangio not high on Bostic.

    • BearDown100393

      Who is?

      • The GP

        I was. I like how he’s a thumper.

        I don’t like how every crossing TE in the league fakes him out and he’s incapable of properly playing the drag route.

        • BearDown100393

          But he looks so damned good in preseason week 2!

    • SC Dave

      That’s because Bostic has shown nothing

  • The GP

    Speaking of alleyways….

    Tibs got dumped… and dumped HARD. Jerry, be it the Sox or Da Bulls, usually plays it close to the vest and keeps the squabbles on the down low.

    Not this time.

    Jerry rebukes Tibs publically, then kicks him to the alley and spits on him on his way out the door.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2015/05/28/tom-thibodeau-out-as-bulls-coach/28033467/

    • AlbertInTucson

      But the Bulls still owe him $9M.

    • Waffle

      damn, for a corporate press release that was tantamount to Reinsdorf pointing to his crotch and hissing, “suck it bitch”.

    • BerwynBomber

      Don’t understand the point of Reinsdorf’s press release. If it was to justify/rationalize the firing, it went too far. Even if Thibs is everything management claims — basically an insubordinate, paranoid control freak who runs his players into the ground — what good comes from bashing him publicly? If Thibs is PR smart he will not retaliate but merely thank the Bulls for the opportunity and wish them well in the future. Take the high road.
      Btw, as much as Thibs gets criticized, Paxson seems a very meddlesome GM (or VP of Hoops Operations) who wants to control coaching decisions. If he had any balls, he would appoint himself HC. As it is, I suspect he will hire someone else whose strings he will eventually attempt to pull as he did with Thibs and his predecessors.
      Starting to wonder if the Bulls have a dysfunctional workplace that goes beyond the presence of Thibs.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Pretty classless.

      • AlbertInTucson

        On second thought, COMPLETELY classless.

    • AlbertInTucson

      So, JR fires a 5-time playoff coach, constantly beset with untimely injuries to KEY personnel, but sits idly by and watches Robin Ventura continue to underachieve with the White Sox.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I don’t understand the patience with Ventura. But JR seems to over-value “the family” stuff. Fine line, I suppose. But the Sox D fundamentals look so poor I can’t help but attribute some of that to coaching/managing.

        • BearDown100393

          Simple. Ventura played for Reinsdorf. So for now, he stays. Thibs didn’t and gets fired. Over the years, Reinsdorf has constantly sought to circle the wagons of his front offices and managers/coaches with those he is most familiar.

  • Jack Lacan

    See the film “The Living” —all abuse…
    Jack
    Jack

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    the blogs been a little too serious lately so lets get back to something fun, like objectifying women in this weeks addition of “Things that Bounce”

    http://thechive.com/2015/05/28/things-that-bounce-thursday-15-gifs-13/

    • Irish Sweetness

      I knew there’d be no nubian queens ! Side note: we just got a Ugandan university graduate programmer in, and I have to show her the ropes. Wow. I like.

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)
    • Sactowns#1

      In Chicago? You must have not been watching the news over the last year.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        I don’t watch that which I cannot trust.

    • Waffle

      that was 10yrs ago and he’s one of the most corrupt cops in history. Like the Cutler of Cops.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        Tom Brady of cops

    • SC Dave

      dailykos… really? Perhaps the worst tripe that media has ever spawned.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        I digest large grains of salt regardless of the media outlet. Still, this was unknown to me. Hope things are getting better in Chi.

        I would say though, that Fox News holds the title “worst tripe that media has ever spawned”. But that’s just me.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Given that a lot of its front-page content is sourced and found in other media (including mainstream news like WaPo, NYT, CNN, etc.), it’s not tripe. Unless you consider Newsmax or Alex Jones to be prime beef?

  • Sactowns#1
  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    NFL players have a useless union that agrees to the most ridiculous contract stipulations in sports. Then all the members do is complain.”

    They HAD a chance to elect a former player as their chief.

    Would things be different had they gone with Trace Armstrong?

    Pretty sure the Bears moved him( a BAD move IMO) because he was a pretty outspoken player rep.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    The ability to throw to the side like trash is, of course, IN the contract. The contract they all signed. https://twitter.com/adrianpeterson/status/604018490949808129 …”

    Yo, Adrian, EXTREMELY convenient (and self-serving) of you to completely discount/forget/ignore the nice pile of money you received up front.

  • SC Dave

    Jeff, you comment on McClellan are the epitome of douchbaggery. Clearly, you know more than Fangio and Fox. Goes with the hubris that has infected you of late.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Huh? Did I even make a comment about McClellin other than to say it’s ridiculous to expect him to be Patrick Willis?

  • AlbertInTucson
    • The GP

      Payton better start humming that Nationwide theme louder. He’s going to need to file a claim on his spine this season.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Gotta feel for the guy. 2 out of the 3 years of his new contract, he’s been out with injury.

      Except that he’s been fully paid for both those years, so it’s not like he’s going hungry.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    I’m shocked Adrian Peterson is a moron. I thought he was just an evil fuck that beat children with weapons. But a moron? No way!’

    “Evil”?

    You KNOW that’s how he was disciplined as a child, ergo, HIS concept of normal.

    Ignorant? Misguided? Dead Wrong?

    Yes, yes and yes.

    But “Evil”…?

    Can’t agree with “Evil”.

    I certainly don’t excuse his behavior and he’s getting terrible advice for his apparent unrepentance in the matter but I think “Evil” is bit of a leap.

    “Moron”? That’s a separate issue and if he’s not, he’s doing a damn good impression of one.

    Apparently his head coach, and former staunch defender, Mike Zimmer, is fed up since he basically just said “You can play here and collect your $12m or you can sit out.”

    • BerwynBomber

      Well said, Al. But yes, bad advice after last year. He should be all about humility and self-sacrifice this year. Thing is too, Minny could be a potential WC team if Bridgewater and the D continue to progress.

      Funny about Bridgewater though. Two of his worst games were against our historically bad D. Go figure.

    • Trac

      I thought that was over the top as well. When I hear Jeff defend an unborn child’s right to life, I may just take some of his twats concerning humanity seriously.

      • The GP

        When I hear the Pope stop saying things like “Britain’s right to marry for homosexuals is a crime against humanity.”, then we may take organized religion seriously.

        Wait… no, scratch that. We never will. And by we, I mean people who think.

        • Trac

          Ha! The GP’S advocate speaks. Such a righteous man you are.

        • Irish Sweetness

          was there a vote in Britain? It was voted in in Ireland for sure.

        • BearDown100393

          I like the concept of personal faith but deplore the abuse of organized religion.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Yea I am gonna stick with evil with a man rips the scrotum of young child with a weapon.

      • Waffle

        he’s a farm animal from the south Jeff. Be real. It’s not evil, it’s just what farm animals do.

        • DaBearsBlog

          I don’t care if he’s “trying” to be evil. An evil deed is an evil deed, regardless of the intention behind that deed. If I was raised to strangle dogs in an alleyway because my father did the same, that doesn’t make the action ok. My concept of normal doesn’t really matter because there are pedophiles across this country with THEIR concepts of normal and how are they treated?

          • AlbertInTucson

            “.. that doesn’t make the action ok.”

            Blogfather, NOBODY ever said it was “OK”.

            You want to brand him as “evil”? So be it.

            But it is completely inappropriate of you to use that phrase in rebuttal because it implies that somebody in this particular discussion is trying to excuse AP’s actions or thought that they were “OK”.

          • BearDown100393

            I agree with AIT’s point here. Nobody (at least from what I have read) here condoned Peterson’s action. The interpretation of the how and why to the situation has been debated (IMO fairly) but certainly not used as an excuse to either condone or justify.

          • Waffle

            Jeff, I think you and I are in complete agreement on the actions taken being OUTRAGEOUS. I think we vary differently on WHY he does that shit and why it’s so prevalent in that culture. I also think too many people are scared to really discuss why it happens.

        • DaBearsBlog

          He’s a human being who beat a child bloody with a weapon and then sent text messages to the mother laughing about it.

          • BearDown100393

            The truth is a composite of 2 posts which would read, “He’s a farm animal from the south who beat a child bloody with a weapon….”

          • Waffle

            he’s a fucking animal. A mindless animal who beat a fucking defenseless child. You’re just too scared to take the next step in the logic progression….

      • AlbertInTucson

        We disagree.

      • Doc Hamstring

        I gotta go with Al here.

        AP was raised to believe what he did was not only normal, but expected. Yes, it was wrong. Very wrong. And he should have known better. Hence, he was charged and accepted a plea deal pretty much admitting his guilt.

        That’s not “evil.” “Evil” is knowing something is wrong, and doing it anyway because it’s expedient, or because you will profit, or because you’re a sadistic fuck. That’s not AP. Misguided, but not “evil.”

        I don’t want to cry with sympathy for a multimillionaire, either, but he’s pretty fucked. He doesn’t want to play for Minny–and he has cause to be upset with them–but they have him by the short hairs.

        • BearDown100393

          I understand your point. But I’m leaning hard toward “evil” in this case. Blood in the underoos is evil.

        • DaBearsBlog

          Your definition of evil rules out Many many evil people.

          • BerwynBomber

            That’s the point. There are probably not as many truly evil people as you think.

            And if AP is one of them (I don’t think he is), he’s way, way down on the list.

  • The GP

    Even WaPo has stepped in to remind Reinsdorf that he’s a douche. And they take a few shots at Paxson as being a meddler and kind of a dick.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/05/29/chicago-bulls-couldve-handled-tom-thibodeau-situation-better/

    • AlbertInTucson

      But you can’t just completely ignore your bosses which, apparently,Thibs would do for months at a stretch.

  • The GP

    AP should really stay off Da twitz.

    http://www.latinpost.com/articles/56303/20150529/nfl-trade-rumors-2015-adrian-peterson-out-minnesota-vikings.htm

    On second thought, he shouldn’t. He should keep this going. Because when Black Unicorn is a no show at camp, and let’s be honest, he isn’t coming back to the Bears even if he has to violate his contract and start running up the fines, then the fact that AP is doing the same will be the national story and the Bears situation can fly under the radar.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Maybe the Bears trade Uni and Forte for AP.

  • Bender McLugh

    OK – without peaking, who’s the only other RB that had 100+ receptions & 1,000 yards rushing in a single season?

    “No matter the coordinator, Forte’s level of production remains
    unchanged. Forte leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage (11,431) since
    2008, and last year, he became just the second player in league history
    to gain at least 1,000 yards rushing (1,038) and 100 receptions (102) in
    a single season.”

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Tomlinson

      • Bender McLugh

        well that was fun

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          well i thought it was either Tomlinson or the guy from the Cardinals whose record Forte broke for receptions and i could not think of his name.

          • Bender McLugh

            I was thinking Faulk at first, looked and saw it wasn’t him, then guessed Tomlinson. 100 Receptions (exactly) in 2003, 1680+ yards rushing.

  • The GP
  • The GP
  • Sactowns#1

    Alright, maybe it’s time we put out faith in Shane and get behind him for once. They’re putting him in the position we had all be screaming for him to be in since he came into the league. He’s been hitting the gym hard for the last year and hopefully he’s in prime condition. Lets give him a chance with the new regime before we chime in with all our negativity and naysayism.

    • Doc Hamstring

      One game. That’s all he gets. Unless he lights it up at ILB and everyone sees him shine in the position he should’ve been playing since drafted, he’s done. He won’t “grow” into the position. It’s either obvious from the first game, or it’s not gonna happen.

      • It took more than one game for Lach to grow into MLB and he was only moving from OLB not from DE/OLB.

        I think 4 games will give us a better sample size. If he’s still getting trucked or ALMOST making plays but still whiffing, time to move on.

      • SC Dave

        Bullshit.

    • SC Dave

      Finally. thanks Sac…

  • Ahhh…the question of evil…gotta love Da Blog…come for the Bears, stay for the ancient philosophical debate.

    I tend to lean towards team AL (cuz I’m a soft determinist). Ppl raised in certain environments might not share the same morality as you. BREAKING NEWS!

    It’s like calling a Spartan “evil” for banging his comrade.
    Or an ancient roman “evil” for owning slaves, including little children.

    Or even more recently, Gramps might have slapped around the lady a bit. Same dude who was fighting Nazis.

    Some grow up thinking cock and dog fights are the norm, or hunting, and aren’t as morally outraged as PETA members.

    I don’t know how anyone can think otherwise.

    I guess some still believe humans are endowed with some sort of Godly compass, when history has proved otherwise (why do you think laws exist and why are they continually “evolving”?)

    Truth is, we LEARN what is right and, and even then it is based on an individual’s empathy. Some are naturally more empathetic than others and don’t need to be trained, some are natural born assholes and NEED society to say, “Yo, dickhead, that’s wrong!” – AP seems like the latter.

    • NewBearInTown

      I think I could probably count on one hand the number of people I’ve met in my life that are truly evil.
      Selfish? Stupid? Shortsighted? Misinformed? Lacking serious self control? Mentally not all there? Tons.
      Evil? That’s a pretty strong statement.
      Through all of this, I genuinely believe that Adrian Peterson loves his children and wants the best for them. Its a strange thing to believe when you see the results. But I don’t believe that what he did came from an evil place.

      • Totally agree. And even then, the most “obvious” rules sometimes must be judged by circumstance.

        I was watching a Holocaust doc and some of the survivors said it was common practice to KILL others who would steal food. Many didn’t see that as “wrong” or “evil”.

        I know this might alarm some (moral relativism), but humans have always applied “justice” in such ways, that’s why the judges are still human, and not robot (except in Futurama, naturally).

        But hey, that’s just me, though I have given a lot of thought to it.

        Hume especially links it up specifically to empathy, and I tend to agree.

        If a psychopath goes on a killing rampage, is he evil? He doesn’t have a conscience. He doesn’t FEEL like most “adjusted” ppl when looking at kittens getting skinned, or people being torched.

        Nothing there.

        On the “nurture” side, it’s not even a debate that if you’re raised in an abusive home, the child tends to come out fucked up and often violent him/herself.

        Always, no, but lots of times. Is that person evil? Hmmmm….

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      Well said, POX.

      I’ve had this discussion many times with my wife. I’m agnostic about things like God and the afterlife, but I actually don’t believe in evil as a thing that exists. I call my theory “varying degrees of imperfection” of which we all suffer somewhat. Chances are, if you look closely at the lives of some of the truly “evil” people throughout history, you find some sort of trauma (often childhood trauma) that precedes it. That, or they have mental illness or what have you. Charles Manson? A hideous human being, yes, but evil? No. His mom was a whore and he grew up on the streets, mostly in and out of jail. That’s a like a feral cat. Nobody taught the cat to do fucked up shit. But it grew up on the streets and had nobody teach him right from wrong. Nobody to teach discipline, and nothing but bad examples abound.

      I don’t know everybody’s story, but to me, evil means that there is a darkness inside you that wants to see/do/cause bad shit to happen (Devil?). Most of the time, the bad shit that happens can be attributed to poor upbringing, the desire to survive, greed, need for power, mental illness or just plain selfishness and shortsightedness. And if you gathered up all the real scumbags, the people most people would agree are “evil” (Charles Manson, Ted bundy, Son of Sam, whomever) I bet you can find some horrible thing they witnessed or fell victim to when they were kids.

      So i don’t believe in EVIL. I believe in varying degrees of imperfection. Some people are just more egregiously imperfect than others. AP? Not evil. Just a relic from a time gone by when it comes to discipline and perhaps not a very bright, empathetic, or forward thinking guy. But evil? No. No way.

      • You know what they say about agnostics,,, they’re just atheists without backbones (or balls? lol)
        Eh, just fucking with ya. Buddy Jesus thumbs up.

        Ted Bundy suspected his “sister” was his mother or something like that which fucked him up – others just have uncontrollable impulses like Dahmer who KNEW what he was doing was wrong, and later really felt remorse, but he just couldn’t control his dark fantasies and urges.

        Like NBIT said, very few ppl are truly “Evil.” In fact, I suspect that true “Evil” perhaps is as rare as true “Greatness”, but perhaps I’m going too ying/yang.

        • Trac

          There is a distinction between moral, physical and natural evil. There are evil acts and evil spirits that influence a persons decisions. Everyone has a different definition of evil so I don’t believe a discussion can actually get anywhere unless the definitions are agreed upon. The Bible clearly defines evil while worldly philosophy creates a moving target. I believe man has a consciousness that filters out evil unless it’s become so clogged with wickedness/sin.

          At the end of the day, our definition of evil is meaningless when compared to Gods. His opinion is the only one that matters so if a person doesn’t submit to God, they will be judged accordingly. No excuses!

      • Trac

        Agnostic=agnosia (root: agnos, o=omega) = ignorance. agnostikos = unintelligible.

        • The GP

          “May you get fucked in interesting ways.” -Chinese Scholar Cum Chin.

          • Trac

        • That’s why I’m a believer. Praise Zeus!

    • BearDown100393

      I’m quite comfortable being judgmental on a few matters. No grey. Just black and white. If that makes me a simple son of a bitch, I’m content. Men don’t beat women. And men don’t beat children. Furthermore a man doesn’t beat his son’s balls into a bloody mess. I don’t care what era he grew up in. Or how he was raised. Or about his religion or faith. I have no spiritual need to walk in his shoes or try to find some reason to justify, accept or condone why he would act like an animal. He is what he is and that isn’t anything worthwhile at all. So AP, you beat your child. You are guilty of beating your child. And I don’t care what happens to you from this point onward. However, I do hope the boy you beat in the balls does get some serious mental counseling so that this behavior pattern no longer trends further down your animalistic genealogy.

      • Judgmental much?

        I don’t beat boys in the balls, then again, I never heard of a switch cuz I’m not from the south.

        That’s sort of the point.

        Ppl used to beat their children all the time under the philo of “Spare the rod, spoil the child.”

        • BearDown100393

          Yes I am.

  • Trac
  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    I’ve laughed out loud 8 times at this Blatter speech.”

    Only heard an excerpt in a radio update but that was laughable, too.

    I’m SURE the sycophants who re-elected him have absolutely NO “vested interests” that would have influenced their vote.

    On the job since 1998 (?) but knew NOTHING about all the payola…?

    A clear case of:

    “You’re either too crooked or too stupid to hold this position and there is no third choice.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      i believe him as much as i believed Brady about deflated footballs.

      • AlbertInTucson

        ..or, about as far as you could throw either of them…?

  • BearDown100393

    The latest twat “I don’t know when I would stop torturing a person who harmed my guys. It would take weeks. Guantanamo shit.”
    Come on now man. It is Friday afternoon. Relax a little. It requires the evil side of human nature to torture another. Think about this a bit. First you have to incapacitate and restrain that person. Are you truly up for that? Would you do it alone? Would you recruit others to do it for you? Do you have the cash? Then you have to plot out the actual methodology of such torture. Could you even make that drive to Home Depot to pick up those tools? So how are you going to do it? And perhaps more importantly, how are you going to end it? Weeks you say? Do you have any notion to what that type of duration will do to your conscience? Do you understand the type of mental approach you would need to carry out weeks of “Guantanamo shit”? Think about the end point. Are you truly capable? Could you really live with that for the rest of your life? Did it solve anything? Did retribution serve any purpose for your guys? Or was that time better spent being a part of the process of helping the victims heal? Would it be worth cashing out the rest of your life by being incarcerated afterward? You need to stop. This about winning an Internet argument and it is silly. Kyle’s tweets are silly enough. Don’t do him one worse.

  • Since it’s the off-season, and Off-Season Da Blog topic has become “the question of evil” I submit, exhibit A.

    If the question of evil, hit men, and the mafia interest you, check this interview out. It’s on “The Ice Man”.

    • BearDown100393

      I remember this documentary. I also remember some believed Richard Kuklinski fabricated a lot of tales. Not suggesting he was not a serial murderer for hire (he was).

    • The GP

      John Dupont, Dennis Haster…

      gotta watch out for the wrestling coaches….

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/us/politics/hastert-indictment.html?_r=0

    • DaBearsBlog

      The full doc on him is one of the eeriest things I’ve ever watched.

      • He’s from your neck of the woods too, right?
        Yeah, it’s definitely the most eerie serial killer interview I’ve watched, and I’ve watched a lot of them (like I said, the question of evil has always fascinated me).

        The part when he’s talking about the rats eating ppl alive while he’s watching the tape over and over again is disturbing. It took that extreme scenario to even move his empathy meter ever slightly, and even then he didn’t know what to label it. Empathy was so alien to him, probably got beat out of him at an early age.

        The scariest part though is that he was a family man and came across as likable and even funny (unlike those other creeps like Manson, Bundy, Nightstalker, etc).

  • The GP

    Bears picked up Nate Breske this week as head trainer.

    Another refugee from the reign of Jed Dork.

    I think that camp will have more hitting and conditioning will be tougher than it ever was under Lovie, and certainly under “if it’s raining, let’s go inside and watch film” Trestman.

    • Ii think the Hawks got “busted” for a few practices that went to hard, so maybe it’s an NFCW thang.

      Also, I remember a lot of peeps giving Lovie crap for all the Rams/Bucs refugees…I guess it’s just 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon in the NFL.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Falcon fans must be SO proud today: Michael Vick’s Legacy Lives!

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/ct-football-shembo-dog-cruelty-spt-20150529-story.html

    A real “Prince” among men.

    This guy just might well qualify as “Evil”.

    • Trac

      That guy was accused of raping girl who later committed suicide and he still got drafted in the 4th round after a glowing endorsement from the Falcons top brass. I guess being a dog killa just isn’t tolerated in Atlanta but all other applicants are welcome.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Think they got a character recommendation from Vic Fangio?

        • Bender McLugh

          ouch.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Bishop takes “King”.

    Rangers blanked at home in game 7. NBC can NOT be rooting for a Ducks-Lightning Cup finals.

    • DaBearsBlog

      As a friend of mine at NBC told me, it’s the “doomsday scenario”. They were looking at the greatest final rating ever with Rangers Hawks.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Barry Melrose had picked Hawks-Rangers. He’s not usually wrong twice but…?

    • BearDown100393

      I’m confident. Hawks get the job done tonight.

  • Joecashflow

    It needs to be said that Jeff’s interview with Adam Jahns provided the most insight into the Bears since the hiring of the new regime. It gives this blog pack many avenues for anaysis. This evil blog pack. Kudos to Jeff!

    • Waffle

      haha, you don’t mean that Joe. We’re like cute little puppies. We love Jeff and have been here for years and that is why we give him a hard time when we feel the hard time is due. If we didn’t we’d just quietly go somewhere else.

      • Joecashflow

        Yes, I jest.

  • Viva

    Da Hawkcse!

    • BearDown100393

      3-0 Hawks. 2nd period.

  • The GP

    ESPN Insider’s article on NFL QBs seems to be open to the public at this URL

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/12965440/havingt-healthy-tony-romo-change-dallas-cowboys-approach

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Martellus Bennett is a very good player. He makes Bears better. He’s not a transcendent TE. And he certainly isn’t worth the bullshit.”

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Did I miss 2014 season where Martellus Bennett reinvented the tight end position? Did he earn some major cash bump? https://twitter.com/dabearnecess/status/604661070481874945 …”

    Agree and Agree.

    • BearDown100393

      So who is going to replace Bennett?

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        i here Kellen Davis is available.

      • beninnorcal

        The ole ‘Jay Cutler defense’

        • willbest

          Above average TEs are easier to come by than above average QBs

          • SC Dave

            And even average QBs, which is what we have.

          • willbest

            This is where people think 32 teams, 32 QBs, Cutler is always around 16, he is average, bites them in the butt. There are some 50 odd qualifying QBs over the last half decade or so. Meaning his rank of 16-18 makes him above average.

    • NewBearInTown

      Losing Bennett would hurt our offense. Overpaying for him and not being able to do something important like keeping Jeffery would hurt worse.
      Emery gave Bennett a fair salary. Pace will probably stick to his guns on this one.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Right now, it’s just an excuse to skip the voluntary OTAs. I’ll consider it an issue if he stays out of camp.

  • The GP

    Chicago has a dynasty akin to the Jordan Bulls in these Hawkcse.

    • Viva

      Love watching these guys play.

      • AlbertInTucson

        They are exactly two series farther along than I thought they’d be.

        But then again, Patrick Kane showed up two series before he was supposed.

        Patrick Kane.

        Steve Rosenboob once advocated that the Hawks should get rid of him.

        • BearDown100393

          A few seasons ago, it didn’t look like he would grow up. And then his mother moved in with him. It has been all roses ever since.

    • willbest

      I wouldn’t go that far, and their money problems aren’t getting better.

    • Viva

      The Jordan Bullsce!

    • SC Dave

      Not yet, they don’t.

  • EnderWiggin
  • AlbertInTucson

    Neat Trick: John Danks goes 9 for a 10-Hit Shutout today.

    I THINK I remember Stan Bahnsen throwing a 12-hit shutout for the Sox in the early ’70s.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Completely disagree with that last tweet “Fair Point”….

    For what the Packers have, they have continuously burned out and fell short of what they are supposed to achieve. And for games that I have watched, I don’t get the “Stars show up for big game” feeling. However, it’s usually one and done scenarios, so it’s harder to gauge that among NFL players, so I can see that NHL stars ramp up their efforts, especially in elimination games.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Hawks’ Stars certainly showed up. Ducks’, eh, not so much.

    • willbest

      What do the Packers have really? Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, and Clay Matthews. Its enough to beat up on the sorry NFCN, but it isn’t enough to go on a 3 game win streak against competent teams.

  • Johnnywad

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/29/politics/bergdahl-taliban-five-prisoner-exchange-qatar/index.html

    Somebody help me out here. Forgive my ignorance because I kind of gave up on the news a few years back.

    Did we trade away five terrorists, for one guy, in order to bring him home and charge him with desertion? There have to be some gaps here that need filling in.

    • SC Dave

      Wouldnt surprise me. The important point is that our ‘enemies’ win.

    • beninnorcal

      From what I understand, that’s precisely what took place. Not only did we ‘negotiate’ with terrorists, but we got an extremely shitty deal.

      • Doc Hamstring

        “We” have “negotiated” with terrorists since terrorists started terrorizing.

        Trading prisoners has been happening for centuries. Yes, he’s being tried for desertion, but first off, he’s innocent until proven guilty. Second, we have a history of not leaving Americans behind. Third, we didn’t have the full story while he was being held by his captors in Afghanistan, so we had to presume he was innocent when the deal was being made. Fourth, we don’t leave Americans behind.

        Even the biggest asshole in my unit (and there were some ginormous assholes in my unit) would’ve had all the rest of us marching into Hell to get him back.

        Just you wait, anyway. The five that were released will probably be on the receiving end of a Hellfire before too long.

        • beninnorcal

          I know ‘we’ have negotiated with terrorists in the past, are still in the present as well, and I’m sure, will in the future. My point was that it was this current admin’s alleged policy that we don’t, their words, not mine.

          Also, it was pretty well known immediately after the swap amongst the media and the public that this guy was a deserter. Let’s face it, he is. The powers that be damn sure knew it before we did. You can say whatever you want, we got fucked here, dude.

        • beninnorcal

          And I’m not sure whatever it was that I said in the past that put you off, but you certainly seem like your not a big fan of me. Not sure why.

      • willbest

        We must have let the Israelis do the negotiations. They routinely trade live terrorists for dead bodies.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Which is probably why the company policy has always been , “We do not negotiate with terrorists.”

    • who the hell knows what’s going on with black ops.
      For all we know, they tagged those MOFOs with some high tech subdermal tracker and set them loose to locate others.

      • Scharfinator

        Unlikely… but nice to think.

    • Trac

      “We” didn’t do this!

    • BearDown100393

      We? Nope. He? Yup.

  • Viva

    You think we could lure Coach Q to coach our beloved during his NHL downtime? I mean that dude knows how to prepare his team and staff to win.

    • Waffle

      i’d rather have the Blackhawks front office. Look at the squad the Blackhawks have fielded since 2009. It’s insane.
      Q sometimes gets in his own way!!! I mean how many times can you forget that putting Kane and Toews on the same line is unstoppable in a series? He pissed it away last year against the Kings waiting so long to do it.

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