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Who Survives This?

| December 5th, 2014

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There is no reason to dissect the most recent Chicago Bears humiliation – this time at the hands of the Dallas Cowboys. The individual drives, plays, moments do not matter. Because despite having beaten five teams over the course of their 2014 journey this Bears team has cemented their place as one of the worst in the proud lineage of the organization.

Now the only questions to be answered are ones of survival. Can Marc Trestman survive being the head coach of a team so noncompetitive week after week after week? Can Phil Emery survive having put Trestman in charge? Can Mel Tucker survive the weekend? Can the McCaskey family and Ted Phillips survive the public relations nightmare of making no changes?

This is all that’s left. Not talent evaluation. Not playing with pride. Nothing. The only relevant moment remaining in 2014 will be the announcement of who is not returning in 2015.

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  • Bears-4-Ever

    Tucker has to be Gone…I mean it’s ludicrous to think he’ll be here next year. Trestman is still a big question mark, it would make sense to start looking for a new HC and let him go but since when does the Bears management team make sense? I think Phil will be GM next year.

    One thing I can take away from last night’s game that was a “good” thing…Willie Young. Against a VERY good offensive line and the limited blitzs the Bears actually tried, I thought he played very well.

    • GPLDAN

      The thought on the Score is only Tucker gets canned. Trestman will be back next year.

      If so, I’m out. I can’t be a Bears fan if that corporate tweezil is running the show. Can’t do it, not when Tom Coughlin will be cast out after this year and the Bears were humiliated 3 times, twice on the national stage – and one more national beatdown comes next week with the Saints.

      George and Phil will stay the course and we’ll all be poorer for it. Anybody on the season ticket wait list is being asked if they want to buy expensive tickets for the remaining games this year. Nobody wants to go see this shitshow any more.

      This whole thing has to spiral, spiral like the Lions under Matt Millen which didn’t quit until Clay Ford got a boot up his ass, and the same thing here. We gotta wait a decade, probably, to see Ginny kick the field goal of death and the kids to lawyer up and squabble until it’s all gone and in the hands of McDonalds. And then, it will occur to somebody that to get the ticket prices they want – at SOME point it helps to field a team that can play. That person will probably be promoted for that brilliant insight in 2024. I’ll be 54 then. I’ll go pick up Murph at the old folks home and we’ll drive over to watch Schottenheimer’s kid try and turn a franchise who hasn’t seen the playoffs in 15 years try and be respectable again.

      • Big Mike

        Oh no.. the doomsday truth bomb.

      • Trac

        I would love for the Cardinals to come back to town. It has been a lifelong dream of mine.

    • Big Mike

      Trestman is not a question mark. He is a gutless, never was that lacks basic leadership skills and is overmatched by this job.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        “Question mark” as in if he’ll return next season. Not that he is the wrong man for the job. 🙂

        • Big Mike

          Agreed. My thinking is that going 5-11 and a couple of embarrassing losses might be what it takes. The “bubble” is 5-11 but competitive or 6-10. Which is a sad statement. He took a 10-6 team, had a redshirt new coach season at 8-8, fine, but to regress to 6-10. I call bullshit. If Lovie can get run out of town for going 10-6 and not having a solid offensive scheme, I’d say Trestman can get run out of town for having all three phases of the team underperforming

  • Trac

    Who survives? How about everyone. Emery will not budge until the end of the 2015 season. I can’t think of any other scenario that will happen before then. Firing DC’s and HC’s this early into Emery’s reign will cause even more problems for the Bears in my opinion. Maybe DeCamillo goes but even if he stays I won’t be surprised. You either clean house or you keep what you got in my opinion. I would take the opportunity when the trade doors open to peddle every single veteran for fresh young meat and draft picks. No player should be off the trading block.

    • Big Mike

      Trac, I agree with the last part on dumping veterans, but I think from Trestman down they are gone.

      • Trac

        Emotionally, I agree with you on the firing of the coaching staff however, I don’t think Emery believes his plan has been given enough time to draft and implement his vision. That’s really what everything comes down to. Does Emery jump onto the life raft before the ship hits the iceberg? Year 3 is the iceberg. I don’t think he’ll do that because for him to admit failure this early on, in his mind, he might as well resign.

        • Big Mike

          I don’t know how Emery has kept his composure this long. Trestman is not only a bad HC, he is damaging the brand. Bears are not tough, they are not fighters, they are not gamers, they are not good. They are a patsie that quit on their coach.

          • Trac

            It’s very hard for a person to admit that they made a mistake when they purchase some bad stock in the market. Typically they continue to tell their investors that the market will correct itself for as long as they can get away for it.

  • John Doe

    Only Tucker will be fired.

    Keeping or firing Trestman is more of a business decision than a football decision. $$ always wins.

    • Big Mike

      Not true. Bears fired Lovie after going 10-6. They paid him $5 million in 2013 to go away. Money didn’t win.

      • John Doe

        Lovie was fired after 9 seasons.

        And the fact that they paid Lovie $5 million just last year makes it extremely unlikely that Trestman will be fired this year.

        Trestman has 2 years left on his contract. It is believed he is the lowest paid Head Coach in the NFL at $3.5-4.5 million per year.

        So 2 years payment for Trestman would be $7-9 million.

        Are McCaskeys ready to pay out Trestman $7-9 million for not showing up for work so soon after paying Lovie $5 million?

        And we have not talked about firing all other coaches and eating their contracts.. And bringing in a coach that will ask for $5-7 million a year.

        Short answer: not happening.

        • Trac

          Could it be that the Trestman hire was a way for the McCaskeys to recoup the money they ate with Lovie? Hmm.

          • Big Mike

            I think you meant to say the Mcaskey’s hired Trestman because he was inexpensive, to make up the Lovie $. But something else got typed.

            Interestin point.

          • John Doe

            That has been my theory all along. Emery, the smartest guy in the room, told McCaskeys I will get you an offensive genius for Head Coach AND he will pay for the money you will have to pay fired Lovie.

            Trestman was so desperate to become a Head Coach in NFL, he readily agreed to Emery’s terms.

            Emery’s exhaustive search was a dog and pony show to fool everyone how thorough he was when the decision was already made. I remember Jimmy Johnson announcing on Fox pregame before the first wildcard game that two of his guys (Trestman and Rob Chudzinski) are getting HC jobs. This was before Emery had even met with Mike McCoy or Bruce Arians.

            So all these conditions on Bruce Arians were just a ruse.. you know asking him to keep DC, making him do a press conference..etc etc.. Just a polite way of saying no by putting conditions Emery knew he would not accept.

            After 2013 season, Emery must have been feeling like a genius. He found a brilliant offensive mind for cheap! Now, another year later, not so much.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            There’s another possibility…. Trestman could have been ‘forced’ down Emery’s way by the higher ups as the best Lovie like solution.

            PS: The same report that says lots of the things you remind us in your post writes this:
            “Along the way, a high-ranking Bears official fell in love with Trestman, who kept two members of Smith’s staff: defensive backs coach Jon Hoke and defensive line coach Mike Phair, who was fired after last season.”

            That ” high-ranking Bears official” wasn’t Emery I can tell you that.

          • Trac

            The organization didn’t want to can Lovie. I can definitely envision them telling Trestman you only have X amount.

          • Big Mike

            Did you mean Emery had only X amount? You’re typing like the Bears play football 🙂

          • Trac

            Yup, my bad.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            I don’t know if I buy that, the cheapest way out was Mike McCoy as he makes $4MM, Trest is at $4.25MM and Arians is at $5MM. Trest is ranked #21 on the coach comp list. We could’ve hired someone cheaper. I personally wanted Arians Bevell or McCoy, but that’s just me. Think Emery just got caught trying to be the smartest guy in the room.

          • Big Mike

            The smartest guy theory might be right. Whenever I hear the Bears are too cheap, they’re doing this because they are cheap, I need to see the facts and have the background. Cheap isn’t their problem. Out of touch, disinterested, those are all problems. Owners don’t make their money from operations. They make a chunk, don’t get me wrong. They make their money from ownership. The Bears are worth between $1.5B AND $2B.

        • Big Mike

          Ugh..the numbers make this situation look worse. why did you have to go and bring facts into this dialogue… 🙂

  • Big Mike

    Who will, or who should? Emery will survive, Trestman is 50/50 still (unbelievable 6-10 probably gets him fired), Tucker will not.

    Only Emery should survive.

    • Scharfinator

      Only if he is willing to get a coach who has the stones to sit Jay if necessary.

      • Big Mike

        You only sit Jay if you’ve got a better option, right? Or is this like a “timeout” for a toddler?

        • Scharfinator

          Would any of us have considered McCown better than Cutler at the start of 2014? He sure as shit outplayed Cutty last year.

          I guess my point with that is that maybe you don’t think you have better, but if you let Fales/Clausen play a few games, maybe we’d reconsider.

          • Big Mike

            McCown was not better

          • Big Mike

            McCown was at no point in his career, better than Cutler. I don’t even like Cutler.

          • Scharfinator

            Their records for that season disagree. Cutler was 4-4, McCown 4-3. I’m throwing out the game Cutler got hurt, but we could give them both a loss for that.

            Ultimately, all that matters for a season is results. Winning. You can holler about the D playing better in certain games or opponents, but that’s a fruitless exercise where you will never be able to input all of the variables.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        better yet, why not get a coach who will actually use him? Trestman has neutered Jay, and therefore the entire offense, this year with his scared play calling.
        I’m not gonna sit here and say Jay is great or any shit like that. But he’s been put in an impossible situation this year.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Seems like almost every year has been like that for Cutler except for last year. Running scared for his life during Lovie’s tenure, and then has the protection and play-calling to do what he wanted to do last year, but then gets neutered this year. I just don’t know what the heck is going on over there, really.

          The problem with this team is that this ownership along with other ownerships around the league that are “bad” is that if they really don’t care about their teams, and only the money, then there’s no established “identity” or direction for the coaches, players and fanbase to buy into.

  • BerwynBomber

    Agreeing with others: Tucker will be the fall guy. And maybe Trestman is forced to take on an OC whisperer as Garrett was in JerryWorld.

    • Big Mike

      Unfortunate.

    • Big Mike

      Who stands up and inspires this team? Who is the leader? It’s not Trestman. Didn’t like that about him when they hired him, got over it last year because you know, offense for the first time in forever. But leadership is tested under stress. He’s failed miserably. Not one player on that team is fighting for Trestman.

      • SC Dave

        Maybe Trestman needs to learn to stare at the Jumbotron.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    Two more blowout losses still on the docket. None of the coaches survive this, IMO.

    • Big Mike

      I’m with you.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, I would say that the NO defense is there to be had. No denying our D is historically bad but it would be nice to see our win-shootouts-offense show up once when it mattered.

      Honestly, we only caught a glimpse of that promise once the entire season: during the first half of the first Cheese game.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        When has Chicago even slowed a QB of Brees’ caliber this year? Even if the offense has a decent day (and last night was about their ceiling for this year), they’re not holding NO under 40, IMO.

        • BerwynBomber

          I don’t disagree. I was only stating I would like to see a four quarter shootout. Not a 35-7 “comeback” in the fourth Q.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            I’d like that too, but I don’t see it happening. Especially with Marshall likely done

        • John Doe

          Offense was decent last night? They put some yards and points AFTER the game was well beyond reach.

          When the defense was fighting and holding them down in the first half, the offense couldn’t do jack.

          This has happened in many games. Even in the Pats game, the defense made some stops in first 4 series, holding Pats to a field goal and the offense kept doing 3 and outs. Finally, the defense gives up a bunch and the game is out of reach. Same story last night.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            I said even IF they have a decent day they’re still going to lose big. Last night I think decent is fair. Not good. Certainly not good.
            I said before this game that their last 3 home games are all going to feature the Bears scoring 25 or fewer points and the road team scoring 35+. Came close last night.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            and you can’t really say the D held for the first half.
            They held the first quarter (first 2 drives). Then Dallas realized that Chicago’s pass coverages really are that consistently stupid, and they weren’t stopped again all night.
            Their next 7 drives were 5 TD and 2 FG (and that includes one where they were just trying to run out the clock). Then they knelt to the end of the game.

  • Big Mike

    What could Trestman say at his press conference today that wouldn’t piss you off? I’ll start.

    “I’m resigning” That’s about it.

    Upon further review, let’s go hire Darell Bevell from Seattle.

    http://sportsmockery.com/2014/12/6-coaches-can-help-chicago-bears-remove-marc-trestman-noose/

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I’ve thought for a while that getting one of Seattle’s position coaches at DC would be a good move. Love the attitude that D plays the game with.

      • Big Mike

        Dan Quinn would be another option. Bevell as an OC has won with different types of personnel.

    • BearDown100393

      “Mel Tucker has been relieved of his duties”

      • Big Mike

        That’s a good one.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Wait Jeff… where’s the ‘we only have only 16 Sundays of Bears every year, so you should enjoy everyone of them’ ?
    I don’t really understand why people are so convinced Emery chose Trestman straight up. I have questions about that. He’s wayyy similar to Lovie not to find this coincidence eye popping.
    And even if Trestman was Emery’s choice, he was kind of forced to do that.

    This shit hole was dug up 3 years ago when ownership forced the new GM to keep Lovie for another year. By doing so the last year of Defense was lost and the Offensive rebuild was stalled.

    • Big Mike

      I will enjoy each one of them. As bad as it is, I will gather with my friends and have the game on. We will drink, play ping pong, foosball, and darts. We will make a fire in my firepit and watch more football after the Bears game.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Hell no… Redzone all the way. Why should I lose on all that commercial free fun ?
        Truth is I’m in Redzone mode since after the Panthers game.

        • Big Mike

          I would suggest a requirement for having such strong opinions might be to watch the game?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I don’t have to watch the game live to construct strong opinions. I rewatch it later in HD. It’s even better that way because you can set aside emotions.

            It’s not like you are 100% focused and into it while watching the game with your friends drinking, eating, messing around.

          • Big Mike

            So you do watch the game. I take back my comment.

            I have NFL Game Rewind and watch the All 22. I watch the Bears and 1 or two other teams every week this way. It helps me as a coach.

    • TheBigCheesy

      Oh barb.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Jeff,

    Can you arrange a dabearsblog first take situation with sc Dave and Johnny waffle? Every Monday they can break down each offensive play and fight about whether it was the QB or the coach who fucked it up. Their passionate banter deserves a better medium; we need video.

    Then you can a special segment where barb phones in to wax poetic about Phil emery.

    • Scharfinator

      I would pay (like $5, don’t get crazy) to listen to this.

      • GPLDAN

        I want Barb to have a Yakoff Smirnoff outrageous East European accent and misuse common colloquialisms, for our amusement.

    • SC Dave

      I try really hard to never feed trolls. but why are you here?

      • TheBigCheesy

        I came for the schadenfreude and stayed for the GPLDAN

  • CanadaBear

    I read enough of the previous blog to get Cheesy’s joke. I’m shocked you guys keep arguing over Cutler vs the D. Newsflash, they both suck. If Marshall doesn’t get hurt things would have been different. He was back to being a beast last night and paid the price. I’m sure he’s done for the year. Gotta be a few broken ribs (since they took him to the hospital, I’d guess they were shattered). Why keep the Black Uni in the game when he can barely walk? I get he was still getting it done (kinda, sorta) but why kill him for a lost game? ESPN can bitch all they want about the Bears abandoning the run game but when you’re getting nothing out of it, what’s the point?

    Nessman is horrible with no leadership qualities. Same with Tucker. The Camel sucks too but he has to be saddled with the worst ST’s players, ever. I can’t think of one coach that needs to be retained. BTW, who hired all these guys, stocked the roster with a bunch of players that don’t fit? I don’t know how anyone can defend that guy. Every fan over estimates the talent on their favorite team’s roster so I get that but look at the results. We have 2 good OL men. The rest are below avg. He over paid Houston, foolishly signed the washed up hillbilly, only have 1 decent LB and he’s way over the hill, 4 safeties that wouldn’t crack the starting lineup of any decent team and a whole bunch of spare parts that don’t fit. Not to mention, he had the reigning NFL coach of the year in for an interview and doesn’t hire him. I see no reason to keep any of them.

    • GPLDAN

      + everything left in the points bucket

    • Scharfinator

      I’d argue the Willie Young pick up was pretty good too – but you make some legitimate points nonetheless.

      • CanadaBear

        Young was a good signing. Same with Rat. Emery has done some good things (Jeffery and Long). Some decent things (Fuller, Marshall, Black Uni). And a ton of either meh or much worse. Plus, like numerous other posters have pointed out, hired the coaching staff and re-signed Cutler for a boat load of dough. It doesn’t take Doc to work the math on that equation to see the answer is negative. By a lot!

  • AlbertInTucson

    I think Tucker is jettisoned the Monday after week 17. I don’t see them firing Trestmen, yet.
    Last night was about what I expected, except for the Bears scoring so many points.
    Guess my over/under 140 for Murray was a bit conservative.

  • GPLDAN

    At least the MSM went ahead and asked Nessman if his team had quit on him.

    He said he was insulted by the question. Yeah, well, the city is insulted by this team you pencil neck dork.

    They followed up asking him if he was worried for his job. I was so happy somebody said it in the press room. It needed to be said. He said his only focus was on checking on the health of his players that were hurt. I wanted to puke.

  • huntinbare

    With Tucker’s defense setting gaudy statistical records in the franchise record books; I am sure his christmas goose is cooked. What scares me is the idea that …”if the defense can keep us in the game mentality” that may give Mr. T another year running this show.
    M y concern with the O is that they are undisciplined; way too many penalties. Even if the D stinks the O should not be this disjointed.
    Draft or buy speed and force. We lack punch and are slow to the plays.
    My two favorite plays last night were Longs tackle and Gros two point conversion.
    Marshal also was in rare form until they blew him up.

    • GPLDAN

      As John Doe rightly points out: you eat your Christmas Goose even if it’s burnt and tastes awful when you can’t afford to throw it out and start over.

      • huntinbare

        Hah.
        I am sorry to all gooses out there for disparaging your fine species with that Mel Tucker reference.

      • johnnywad

        Ooooorrrrrr……you use your credit card and go get yourself a kickass steak dinner and pay for it later with magic money that will hopefully just appear. (Harbaugh is the steak dinner and the credit card is somebody else’s. Not mine.)

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      the O is trying to dink and dunk their way down the field. They are coaching like an offense that can execute properly to pick up small chunks without any mistakes for 10-15 plays.
      Only problem is they can’t do that. Drops, penalties, sacks, turnovers… odds of a 10+ play drive are very remote.

      • huntinbare

        Dallas passing game last night heavily favored passes under 10 yds. also…
        They executed better and the results proved it
        After 2 years into this offense the ” little things” should not keep defeating us…it boggles my mind…

    • SC Dave

      I thought Conte had a pretty good shot on Murray. Although most the best plays were Young.

  • huntinbare

    With the horrible on field results ….do you think it has translated into lost revenue for the owners….
    enough so that would result in them being financially forced into major changes?
    I find myself only wearing the colors out in public if my mood is able to answer the tough questions.

    • BearDown100393

      Nope. Revenue sharing.

      • huntinbare

        No hope for the fans $ instituting change
        We are trapped like rats in this Pavlovian experiment…

    • Big Mike

      secondary market for tickets is taking a beating. But all tickets are sold. Saw a lot of Bears fans at the TB game that “got tickets from a season ticket holder buddy”. When I organized my outing for the TB game, the first 4 tickets I bought cost about $300 each (Section 335 row 6). The 2nd 4 tickets were better seats, (section 233 row 3 – media deck) and costs $175 each. I bought these the week before. Seats in the Upper Bowl were going for below face value.

      The wealth of the McCaskey’s is not based on operations. The real wealth is based on the value of the franchise, which is estimated to be between $1.5 and $2B

      • huntinbare

        That is depressing…the brand has been created by an inovator and may be unrivaled when it comes to the creation story of the NFL…so much so that even this most horrible of seasons may have no effec;t towards excellence as the owners rest in the armchairs of luxury created by Papa Bear…

        • Big Mike

          There is no NFL without George Halas. Wish he wouldn’t have bailed out the Packers franchise when it was going to go belly up in the 50s :).

          The NFL is a brilliantly run corporation.

          • Trac

            Yeah but it was the Packers that lent Halas money when the Bears when he was having trouble making payroll a few years later. Unfortunately we are tied at the hip by a sick twist of fate.

          • Big Mike

            Packers lent Halas much earlier. This was in the 1930s.

          • Trac

            You are correct sir. The Packers did struggle from 22 to 58 though. Had my facts mixed up.

  • BearDown100393

    Pinocchio —-> Real Boy, Elf on the Shelf —-> Marc Trestman.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    BTW, Bears called runs on 6/20 1st half plays last night. That’s less than that magic 1/3 I’ve been talking about.
    This one wasn’t that bad though, in terms of balance. They were forced into it by being completely unable to run. That and penalties put them in too many must-pass situations.
    Biggest issue with this offense right now? Their RBs have combined for 20 carries for 40 yards the last 2 games. Barely running, and not able to catch D off guard and have success when they do.

    • BerwynBomber

      Marinelli game-planned his D primarily toward stopping Forte. Simms relayed as much on the telecast. I am guessing that had something to do with Jay’s ability to find the Uni and some of our wideouts, though Dallas’s D isn’t all that regardless.

      • Trac

        Looking back, Emery should have kept Lovie and Nellie until Lovies contract was up.

        • Big Mike

          With two more draft classes, Lovie would be ahead of where we are now.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          No thanks….Lovie surely was calling the shots on the drafts in his tenure with the Bears…..the trend of the NFL nowadays does not make me confident that Lovie would have started evaluating and swinging to the offensive side of the ball with picking O players properly. Although Emery isn’t perfect with his picks, the overall scouting of the players I feel are better with what direction this team needs to head in order to be competitive with other NFL teams in reaching the championship.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            And look at where the Bucs are now as a team with Lovie pulling the strings….although it’s just the 1st season back, still not something I miss from him at all.

          • Trac

            There was never this kind of shit show under Lovie. That’s my point. Would we be any better now if he had stayed? You bet your bippy mister.

  • huntinbare

    Sad to think this may have to be what football feels like for the next few years….
    The hope and hype after last season was so believable; after the marketing of our offseason moves…
    No amount of hype will sway me going into next season, with the current system in place.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Busted ribs for Marshall at least?
    may bruised / lacerated kidney or spleen?
    Done for the year in any case I would gather.

  • BillW

    Don’t have time to read all the comments from last night or today but I have a couple points I want to make:

    I feel like Canada said earlier – I was very sad to read Dave and Waffle going at it. Both passionate Bear fans and this junk of an organization has reduced them to arguing as to which part of a crap team is crappier.

    The theory as to how Trestman got hired is a good one. Emery convinced the McCaskeys to fire Lovie by promising them a relatively cheap replacement. The Jimmy Johnson reference convinced me that was true.

    The McCaskeys ARE cheap. Don’t use player salaries as contrary evidence. There have the same a salary cap and floor as every team and they use it. The Bears will never have to worry about being caught going over the cap like other teams have. I’m not saying that’s good or bad. But the player salaries in total are controlled by the league – not the Bears.

    I play this stuff out in my mind like we use decision tree modeling at work. I did it last year and was called all kinds of names when all I was doing was fast forwarding to where we are today. Everyone calling for Trestman to be fired. I won’t bother telling you where I think we’re going next.

    Decision tree modeling goes wrong if basic assumptions made up front are wrong. The basic assumption is that the Bears organization feels winning championships is the primary objective. They don’t act like it is, so I don’t think it is.

    They want to maintain their legacy. That’s it. They don’t need to win championships to do that (they feel), It’s enough for them to be the founding member – the Monsters of the Midway. Virginia is the matriarch of the NFL. We’re a premier franchise. There is no shortage of people who want to coach here.

    And on and on – delusionally. The Bears are just another bad NFL team and show no sign of them even realizing it. That has to come first before any meaningful change takes place.

    If Halas were alive Trestman would have been fired WEEKS ago. We are a mashmallow soft team with a few warriors (Willie Young, Matt Forte, Martellus Bennett based on last nigh alone. Certainly others but not enough – and certainly not the coach.

    I’m still proud to be a Bears fan but I m no fan at all of the McCaskeys. NONE of them.

    • Trac

      I’m one of the few here that thinks Emery has to go. Being old school, it starts at the top. So yes, in a perfect world, the McCaskeys need to be out of the equation as well.

      • BillW

        I’m all for the McCaskey’s owning the team as long as that’s all they do is OWN it. Hire a football guy to run it. Which they would do if championships were important.

        But they have this nice multi-billion dollar “mom and pop” shop going where all their family and wonderful friends like Teddy can bask in the glory of owning and running one of the founding franchises.

        Every now and then one of the costs of doing business is replacing nice people like Jerry and and Dick and Lovie and eventually Phil and Marc. But only when they feel the legacy is being threatened too harshly.

        You can bet that their FIRST reaction to the press calling for a firing is to dig in harder.

        • Trac

          Your theory has a major glaring flaw that’s so obvious you never should have missed it. The problem with your post Sir is that whoever that guy is you’re thinking needs to be hired, it will be the McCaskeys who will have to make the decision on who to hire.

          I’ve got a novel idea. Why not just throw caution to the wind and hire the first female GM. Now there’s a novel concept. I think Hillary’s available.

          • BillW

            I never said they WOULD hire the football guy. I’m quite sure they won’t. It was premised on them truly caring about championships. Which I said in a previous post I don’t think they truly do – no matter what they say.

            Oh – they will SAY they do. But actions speak louder than words. Their actions show they like things the way they are organized – and a cost of that is occasionally getting new GMs and coaches.

          • BillW

            Actually I misread your point. Yes you are correct. Even if the mccaskeys hired a football guy to run things, they’d be the ones hiring him. So we could end up in Matt Millen land. . I need a drink.

      • Big Mike

        I respect that opinion about Emery, but believe the only reason for getting rid of him, is that he hired Trestman (and of course McLellin) .

        • BerwynBomber

          The Cutty contract too. Sorry, I sound like an annoying broken record on that but if you’re judging PE his biggest moves have been the Cutler contract and the Trestman hiring.

          • Big Mike

            It’s not that bad. The question is how much of Cutler’s plummeting performance was due to the shit show that happened this year. I have to add, this is not an excuse to make Cutler look good.

          • SC Dave

            Last season, the Bears offense had the luxury of essentially ZERO injuries. The same line played pretty much the entire season. Other than Cutler, no skill players suffered injuries, and as it turned out the bench warmer came in and performed better than the starter last year.

            This season, the injury tale has been a little less fairy.

          • Big Mike

            He’s been awful with no pressure on him. He still holds on to the ball too long, has forgotten, or never learned to pump fake and doesn’t climb the ladder in the pocket as well as he did last year. Yeah the line was better last year, but he’s done better with worse lines.

    • GPLDAN

      Don’t have time to read all the comments from last night or today…

      And that’s disrespectful to the community here. If it’s true: keep it to yourself. Don’t preface a post by stating that you can’t be bothered with anyone else’s thoughts. I get that senior citizens like yourself may not get this whole interwebz fad, but social convention is kinda part of it.

      • BillW

        No disrespect at all, sir. Well over 600 comments last night. And I did just get caught up on today’s thread. I skimmed the comments before posting what I did.

        The reason I mention not reading everything is I feel it’s disrespectful to restate something someone else said as if it’s your own thought. I try not to do that – but if I can’t read all the comments then it’s likely to happen. Hence my “disclaimer” – which I admit could have been stated better,

        My New Year’s resolution a few weeks early: do not argue with or in anyway disrespect a true Bear’s fan. We are going through too much in that aspect of things to let that happen.

        • TheBigCheesy

          I’m gonna have to rule in favor of ol’ Bill W. here.

  • Viva

    Jeff, you need to be patient.

    DAVE TOUB for HC.

  • Old broken romanian Jericho
    • TheBigCheesy

      There is only one man in the NFL who could play through that injury…

      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/19/cowboys-confirm-romos-fractured-rib-collapsed-lung/

      • BerwynBomber

        Yep, who ever thought Romo would be the toughest QB in the league this side of R-berger. And now he’s playing with cracked vertebrae. He’s still a fourth quarter pick waiting to happen but the dude’s earned loads of respect playing thru his injuries the last few years. Frankly, he looks like a dude who should retire.

        • DrPhil

          If Romo really is playing with a cracked vertebra then he’s a fucking idiot who’s playing russian roulette with his spinal cord.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        Romo is a tough sumbitch. WR different than QB although I don’t know how anyone could do anything with broken ribs and a punctured lung. I threw out my back sneezing the other day.

        • DrPhil

          Will you change your handle to PackerFan now? And Barb to ‘I love Tom Brady’ …

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    i don’t get the Emery ‘trying to be the smartest guy in the room’ theory. there are other interesting theories on why Trestman was hired. but did anyone think that the reason Trestman got hired was because he might have had an outstanding interview? I am pretty sure that we all know people that got hired because of an outstanding interview and then turned out not to have what was needed to be successful. I know everyone is grasping at straws trying to figure out why we suck and who to blame, but look what Trestman did with the O last year. We all saw the possibilities of the Offense last year, what’s different? injuries have played a part this year, but the main thing is Trestman did not focus on the O as much this year, he has spent time trying to help with the D. He is the HC so that should not be an excuse.

    IMO, Trestman is in over his head as a HC, i think he would have been a great hire as an OC. Trestman does not seem suited to handle all 3 phases of the team, and be successful. But, honestly, there are very few HCs out there that can. HC’s need to be able to lean on their Coordinators to be good, and if you have shit coordinators that makes things hard. I think everyone will agree that Tucker sucks and was a bad hire, but no one ever looks at Kromer. By all accounts i have read, Kromer role is game planning, and it appears he really sucks at it. Just remember the Saints O and game planning sucked the year Payton was suspended. Coincidence? Probably not!

    I personally think they should fire everyone, but chances are that is not going to happen, so how do we fix it. Hire someone that can handle the D alone and let Trestman focus on the O. There are going to be some very good options out there this off season. Big names like: Rex Ryan, Rivera(not sure he would come back), Fewell(if Coughlin is fired) to name a few. Whoever it ends up being, they need to bring an attitude back to the D.

    • BillW

      Your comments make a lot of sense. Unfortunatly, assuming Trestman is kept next year (as I believe he will) the Bears will not get a name DC. Trestman will be viewed as a short timer and the eventual new HC will likely want his own coordinators.

      Worse than that, the Bears could once again force the new HC to keep the DC, scaring away qualified candidates yet again.

      Worst case of all – the new DC improves things enough for the Bears to better their record next year (up to say 8-8 again) and Trestman gets an extension.

      If Trestman stays, I’d rather have Tucker back too.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        true to a point. Just because you fire a HC does not mean you fire all their Coordinators, they do have separate contracts. Granted it might limit the possibilities on hiring a new HC going forward if you are forcing a DC on them, but it has worked in the past. As a Bears fan as old as you, i would have thought you would remember Buddy Ryan staying on as DC when Ditka took over.

        Also it does not need to be a big name, any assistant coach(dline, LBs, or CBs coach) that is hungry for a DC job and is better than Tucker will work. Just do the leg work and i am sure you could find someone for instance off of Seattle or SF staff.

        Basically, if they don’t fire everyone, it would be a crime to allow Tucker to stay.

        • BillW

          So true about Buddy but I always considered that an exception forced by a very strong man (Halas) that Ditka respected.

      • Big Mike

        Weird ass logic. I see it, but ugh. Trestman and Tucker have to go.

    • GPLDAN

      Isn’t it reasonable to say: Emery hired Trestman, who is so CLEARLY out of his league out there he coaches and leads from the sideline like a scared puppy.

      Isn’t it reasonable to chalk it up to a judgment error by Emery?

      Here’s my theory: Emery got the nod to move up the ladder WAY late in life. It’s pretty rare not be getting groomed for a general management position at a sports team by age 40. If you hit 40 and you are still down the scout ranks, you were probably never going to get a taste.

      But Emery is an exception. So he gave the HC job to another guy who he felt was LIKE HIM, a guy who paid some dues but never got a sniff at the show. Except there’s a rub: there was a REASON these guys were never considered for top jobs their whole lives. They aren’t that good. They have BAD judgement, poor leadership skills and are prone to the weird or nonsensical decision that is the hallmark of a guy in over his head.

      So it’s less about the interview and more about seeing a kindred spirit. They probably mutually felt they were going to “show everybody” what they were really about. And they did.

      And they have.

      • BillW

        Great theory. I have seen that in business myself. TMI but I’ve been in the middle of such a situation myself and it did not go well. We all recovered eventually but found our own comfort level lower than we were.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        Sorry but i think the age thing on Emery is BS. “WAY late in life” Emery is 55. There are several other GMs in the league that did not get the job until they were in their 50s also. And its not like he was just a scout’ he spent years as the Director of Scouting with ATL and KC.

        I agree it was probably a poor decision by Emery to hire Trestman, my point is that we were not in the room when they interviewed HCs, so we don’t know how it went. There might have been some bias like you said to giving him a shot, but it also could have been the Trestman blew them away in the interview. Either way he’s our coach and probably will be next year we just got to deal with it and hope they can get the crap figured out.

        • GPLDAN

          I’m sticking with my theory and others have said similar things. This was a guy that was not on anybody’s radar.

          Teddy hired a search firm to find Phil. That is what rubs guys in the industry badly, it’s just usually not done. Teddy found Glitchy with a search firm. And that was a bad GM. So, why have the firm do another search for you?

          Because you don’t know shit about football operations? Check.

          Phil was not a guy that most owners would have greenlighted. Score guys think that, others in the Trib have said that, it’s true. He did not have the pedigree to a be a GM.

          • johnnywad

            Isn’t Teddy hiring a search firm smarter than Teddy hiring a GM given he isn’t a football guy? Apparently he known this, hence the search firm. I guess I don’t understand your complaint with that. Especially when considering Teddy is going nowhere.

            Oh, and fuck the Score guys.

          • GPLDAN

            Teddy should remove himself to CEO only and hand President of Football Operations over to somebody who knows that business and how to manage it.

            Teddy can count the money, he gives the Football Ops guy a broad budget to stick to and then he keeps his hands off.

            A bad President is like Frank Langella in Draft Day. A good one is like Parcells when he had full control over the Jets.

      • Big Mike

        Yes. But I believe Emery is good at his job. FA, Drafts are getting better each year.

        • BillW

          He is a decent looking gm compared to angelo. I will say that.

        • Trac

          Houston and Allen?

          • Big Mike

            Book is out on Houston. yes. Allen has been a bust.

          • johnnywad

            Every GM in the league has draft picks and free agents that don’t work out. Those guys are a waste of money, but most of the teams the Bears play have the same problems. Can’t hold Emery to a different standard than the rest.

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt everyone has some shitty picks and signings. But at the end of the day you are what your record says you are. We suck something awful and are trending down.

          • johnnywad

            Hard to argue with. I just wonder how we would view him right now had he hired Arians instead of Trestman. I’m betting he’d look a lot different in that light. He made one giant mistake there that may end up painting the final picture of his career as a GM

      • SC Dave

        Very interesting indeed, GP. Way more than reasonable, and perhaps far closer to the truth than other theories.

      • Scott W.

        Good plot line. I remember Emery was effusive about Trestman’s interview. I think your theory dovetails nicely with him then outsmarting himself with the actual hire. It also fits/rings up with the approach Trestman, Kromer, and Tucker have taken with the entire team.
        Nice post GP.

    • Big Mike

      A head coach is as much about leadership and setting the tone for the locker room, meeting rooms and the “culture” of the team. Lovie Smith did it. Ditka did it. The other guys did not. Wannstedt, Jauron, whoever else.. Trestman has not set the tone. His failure there is as big a part of my call for him to get tossed as are his failure as an offensive coordinator.

    • SC Dave

      Wow…. someone else pointing out that Kromer is our OC? I felt like the voice in the wilderness all season long until now. Thanks, man.

      • johnnywad

        In title sure. The guy calling plays from the sideline is Trestman. He’s your OC in practical application. I’m sure Trestmans input on game planning is significant as well.

        For my part, fire them all. Trestman was brought here for one reason. And he isn’t getting it done. He’s not even getting close. And he’s ruining Matt Forte in the process.

  • Trac

    Francesca reports Rex Ryan won’t entertain DC jobs and will only entertain HC gigs. I figured as much. At this point I would welcome him as HC as much as I hate the thought of that.

    • Big Mike

      I’d take him. I like Rex Ryan. He’s handled the NY Media and that’s the only city with a bigger bunch of prima donna douche bag writers than Chicago. He’s solid on both sides of the ball, he’s worked with young talent and he fits the Chicago persona. Tough guy, loud mouth etc. Ditkaesque. I would say.

      • DaTruth

        Rex Ryan is only in the NFL because of who his daddy was. End of.

        • Big Mike

          That’s a ridiculous comment.

      • DaMurph

        Chicago would love Rex Ryan. I met him in Hawaii during Pro Bowl week, approached him, had a great conversation about football, the Cubs and Chicago. Cub fan he, Sox fan me. His brother was with him, and both were great with other fans that came up to us. Hes the kind of guy you would love to sit in a bar with and talk about anything.

  • BerwynBomber

    So if we are sticking with Jay throughout his contract why not just offer Shanny a two year deal? I’m not very high on Shanahan but lord knows he is more proven/better than Trestman and if he likes Cutty maybe he can maximize the latter’s talents where others could not.

  • BillW

    God help me but I may be climbing on the Rex Ryan band wagon.

    Hey, isn’t Dr. Scholls hq in Chicago?

    • Big Mike

      He’s a good coach. Big enough personality. Good leadership skills, strong defense not bad on offense.

      • BerwynBomber

        One potential problem is that guys like Ryan or Shanahan might eat PE for lunch. PE is probably aware of this. You would hope he would not feel threatened but I would not be shocked if, in his heart of hearts, he is.

        Hence, he hires a junior version of himself in Trestman.

        • Big Mike

          His military background tells me he would not back down from Ryan, who is mostly bluster. Which is what the Chicago Bears market likes.

          • BerwynBomber

            Valid points.

      • BillW

        Buddy probably wouldn’t be around to see it but wouldn’t he LOVE to see his son take the Bears spotlight from ditka

        • Big Mike

          Buddy Ryan was not my favorite. He was a cantakerous old f$%k. Great defensive mind, but only a guy as strong as Ditka could handle an insubordinate prick like him.

          • BillW

            I have a place in my heart for both. And I try hard to keep them separated

          • BillW

            Cuz dat an da sah-siggiz will give me a harddatak my fren.

          • Big Mike

            Its a conflict definitely. After watching his act in Philadelphia, punching that other coach and watching a biography on him my position was clear.

          • Scott W.

            Buddy was more than what you saw and read via media. He was a pretty good guy overall. Fair and focused.

          • Big Mike

            Divisive on the 85 Bears.

          • Scott W.

            He was doing his job. His mistakes came at season’s end, but remember, he’d been building that D for years, not just 84/85.

          • Big Mike

            We’ll disagree. I believe he was an asshole. He punched one of his own coaches on the sideline? WTF is that.

          • Scott W.

            I am not arguing he was without flaw, Mike. Not saying he didn’t do dumb things. I personally am the King of Doing Dumb Things. But he was a great D coach, probably the best of his era. You can judge him as a man, but you will never, ever see that Defense again in your lifetime.
            I sat down privately with Buddy once for over an hour after he left Chicago. I was a member of that despised group, The Media. He was gracious, blunt, honest, and asked no forgiveness or understanding; he just spoke his mind, fully, on his job and some of the Bears that made him famous and feared as a coach.
            I wasn’t enamored of him, in awe, or any of that other crap. We talked, and I saw in him a laser focus on his JOB. He spoke very respectfully and fondly of men like Fencik, Plank, Wilson, Dent, all of them. Those men would tun through brick walls for Buddy, and he gave the respect he got.
            You cannot ask more of a man – or coach – than what Buddy Ryan gave to the Chicago Bears, and to football.

          • Big Mike

            Here is my original post on Ryan. “Buddy Ryan was not my favorite. He was a cantakerous old f$%k. Great
            defensive mind, but only a guy as strong as Ditka could handle an
            insubordinate prick like him.”

            Being racist, self righteous, old windbag doesn’t get you a pass. When you consistently do the same kind of dumb things, it’s no longer simply a “dumb thing you did”, it’s who you are. But who am I to judge.

            My comments are only meant to be taken as part of a discussion about his legacy/legend etc. He was a brilliant football coach. But, when I look back at the 85 Bears through the lens of history and information that has come out about Buddy Ryan, I’m not inclined to put the pedestal so high.

          • Scott W.

            That’s certainly your prerogative, Mike.

          • Big Mike

            See look. We disagreed like gentleman and nobody got their panties wadded up. Wish more people were on the blog now to witness this 🙂

  • BerwynBomber
    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      Wilson also has shoulder injury

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        Groy, Ola, Garza, Mills and Bushrod have an infectious disease called “can’t fucking run block-itis”.
        It’s ironic that the things that killed drives for the bears last night were penalties and running the ball which ended up being like penalties half the time since they resulted in lost yardage.

  • ChiBears34

    I really do not understand all of the comments wanting Rex Ryan as the head coach of the Bears. Seriously here is his NFL record as a head coach: 2009: 9 – 7, 2010: 11 – 5, 2011: 8 – 8, 2012: 6 – 10, 2013: 8 – 8, 2014: 2 -10. So that is the man you want to run the Bears? What is it with all of the retreads?

    • Trac

      Yes, like I said, he’s not my.ideal candidate but I’d take him over Trestman.

  • Trac

    At best, Emery had modest success scouting players prior to the Bears hiring him. Google it, I think he had like three feathers in his cap when it came to finding good prospects. 3. After he drafted CD, I found several reports of the Chiefs visiting with CD while Emery was with them and I’m certain part of his shpiel during his interview was that he had found a secret weapon in the upcoming draft class . I think after 3 drafts the Jury is out. Guilty!!!

    Every team searches for O – linemen and LB’S and DT’s to build a team around. Emery has whiffed at all three of these positions in the draft(with the exception of Long), it’s hard to justify a 1st round pick on a gaurd in my book. The players he chooses to hang his hat on may be good players but they aren’t impact players you can build a team around.

    I just don’t think Emery knows how to build a team. He’s gotta go.

    • CanadaBear

      Gotta give him credit for Kyle. That was an inspired pick. Other than that, I agree with ya completely.

      • Scott W.

        Fuller is going to work out too, unless he’s ruined.

        • CanadaBear

          I agree but he’s taking a shit kicking right now. Definitely a gamer. So far I like him but since the first month he looks like a rookie CB.

          The whole team seems to be afraid to make a mistake so they end up making a zillion of them. Numerous times last night we could have bottled up Murray if Bostic just shoots the gap. Nope, just stayed where he was and joined in the tackle 8 yds downfield.

          • BillW

            Trial by fire fuller is receiving. What does not kill you makes you stronger.

            Unless, you know, it kills you.

          • Trac

            CJ Mosley would have made us stronger. That decision to draft Fuller over Mosley was huge in my opinion because to me it proved that Emery didn’t realize the true state of of Linebacker corp. I saw the shit storm coming, Emery used a band aid in DJ Williams and to me its inexcusable to let our Linebackers get old and arrive at the end of their careers without finding viable replacements for what is arguably the most important positions on Defense.

          • Scott W.

            What you said, plus season already being over can inspire mediocrity.

    • Scott W.

      I think Kyle Long was a brilliant pick, so that one he hit into Lake Michigan.
      But I agree, he’s not worthy of the position he holds, and most of his choices have been dumbfounding.

      • Trac

        “he’s not worthy of the position he holds”. My point regarding using a 1st for a guard.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      he’s spent a 1st, 5th, and 7th on OL in the draft so far. Gotten one stud, one borderline starter, and one we don’t know yet (Leno). Also gotten a couple potential contributors as UDFA.

      WAY too early to say on DTs. They’ve both been inconsistent but shown some flashes this year. I think there’s a very good chance at least one of them ends up being a quality starter.

      He has not done well on LBs (or defense in general much yet).

  • huntinbare

    Sayers and #51 a football life on NFL network tonight…10:00

    • SC Dave

      Watch #51. There is a guy who never quit on Bears fans.

      • huntinbare

        Niether player played a playoff game…show was excellent…Sayers is a deeply emotional human…teared up when talking about his knee …the doctors …what could have been…and his besutiful relstionship with Picc.
        Butkus is a man who can laugh about himself as hard as he could hit an opponent…
        Watching the highlights made this season and all the emotion it has created very trivial…
        In their 1 and 13 season in 69…Sayers led the league in rushing coming off his surgery..
        Butkus was defensive player of the year…
        Funny how 2 players can eliminate the sting of defeat.

  • SC Dave

    I sit and read all this shit about the team “quitting on Trestman”. But in the end, the players have quit on me. On Johnny. On huntin. On every single one of us that are fans of the Chicago Bears.

    Millionaires forgetting who provides the money for their ludicrously inflated paychecks. Those annual salaries more than the LIFETIME EARNINGS of many of their fans.

    Huntin’ just posted a reminder on Sayers and, infinitely more to the point, #51.

    Who the fuck did Butkus play for? Dooley? Gibron? Are you friggin’ serious? Those teams sucked year after year. The best Bear ever played on TWO teams in nine years that had a winning record (9-5, and 7-6-1). In fifty years of watching the Chicago Bears, of all players*, he personified everything that was right about football. Everything right about being a Monster. Everything right about representing the city of Chicago and its football fans.

    Now? A sea of butthurt brats ready to quit on YOU at the drop of a hat.

    So, go ahead, blame the coaches. Not me – I refuse to give a pass to a bunch of non-professional divas that have quit on *ME*. Quit on *YOU*.

    Of course, just fire Trestman and it’s all okay, right?

    * okay, Walter was close.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I didn’t expect Arizona could pull it off again vs. Oregon after an emotional win last week in their ASU rivalry game, but i certainly didn’t expect that their offense would be a complete no-show.

    The PAC 12 was crossing it’s fingers that AZ wouldn’t upset the applecart and cost the conference a seat at the playoff table as a 2 loss AZ team doesn’t not getinto the final 4.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I stopped watching the post game pressers. Did Trestman have any different platitudes besides “Good week of practice.”?

    • BearDown100393

      “Jay is our quarterback”

  • TheBigCheesy

    Jerry Angelo never gets enough credit from Bears’ fans. It’s inconcievable to me that someone could rate Phil emery higher than Angelo at this point. Especially the cutler supporters. Angelo is the one who went out and got cutler. Angelo got him when he looked (arguably) promising. Phil emery eschewed the franchise tag in favor of $54 million guaranteed for cutler and by the 9th game of this season half of the fanbase was looking for ways to offload him.

    Angelo’s bears were inept at times, but they were always admirable. Emery’s Bears are simply ignominious.

    • beninnorcal

      I hate to kinda agree with you, ya Cheesy bastard. After all most would agree that the best player on the team, Mr. Forte, is an Angelo selection. But in the same breath, most under appreciated Lovie, who probably made Angelo look a little better on account of his ability to field a consistently well-above average D.
      But the jury is still out on Phil, IMO. I’m not gonna say he’s worse than JA.. yet.

      In other news, why do you, a fan of the best team in the conference and league care about these lowly Bears so much? Are the Pack forums really that terrible?

      • BlameAngelo

        Out of what, 70 wasted picks … picking Forte gets him off the hook ?

        • beninnorcal

          When did I say he was off the hook? I’m no Angelo fan. Doesn’t change the fact that he picked our second best RB ever tho. Slow your roll, sir.

          • beninnorcal

            I believe Hester was his pick as well. Probably a HOF’er.

          • Trac

            I’d say that outside of injuries and Cedric Benson, we pretty much got our money’s worth from the players I listed above.

          • Trac

            Some of Angelo’s draft picks that stand out: Alex Brown, Charles Tillman, Rex Grossman, Lance Briggs, Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher, Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris, Danieal Manning, Dusty Dvoracek, Mark Anderson, Greg Olsen, Corey Graham, Mat Forte, Earl Bennett, Henry Melton, DJ Moore, Stephen Peae, Chris Conte Corey Wooton.

        • Trac

          Emery has made noise but that’s about it. Yoko Ono made noise.

    • BlameAngelo

      1. Angelo didn’t get Cutler, having Kyle Orton got Cutler … but a cheesehead wouldn’t know that. The only other runner in the situation was Washington, and they only had Jason Campbell to offer.

      2. You make it sound like getting Cutler by giving up our starting QB, two firsts and two thirds was a good idea …..

      • TheBigCheesy

        It was a better idea to gamble draft picks on a potential franchise QB with high upside than it was to throw away $54 million guaranteed on a proven lemon

        • Trac

          I hate to agree with the Cheese but the net net of trading for Cutty hasn’t produced. We’re actually further away from being good than we were we when signed him.

        • SC Dave

          This

      • Trac

        We actually had Rex Grossman as well and I think he got cut after the Bears traded for Cutty. Grossman actually went on to win some games for the Redskins.

    • Trac

      You are correct Cheesy. People got jaded after Martz and Tice and forgot Angelo’s contributions. A lot of pro’s on Sirius warned Chicago fans about getting rid of Angelo and Lovie at the height of their displeasure. I think fans were blinded after signing Cutty because we thought he was the final piece.

    • johnnywad

      Holy shit. Please go look at this list and remind yourself why Angelo was fired.

      http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/draft.htm

      I’m not backing Emery with this post. But every virtually every draft Angelo had after picking up Hester was void of any NFL talent barring Forte and Olsen, whom he traded.

      There has to be somebody better. That’s why he was fired. I’ve been an Emery supporter, but I’m waivering. The Trestman hire seems to be a fireable offense at this point

      • TheBigCheesy

        It was time for Angelo to go, there is no question. But Bears fans pretend like he didn’t build the 2nd most successful team in the super bowl era.

    • Big Mike

      Credit Lovie smith not Angelo. Angelo buried the franchise with his last 5-6 drafts

  • tobijohn

    Here’s my opinion, as worthless as it may be:

    It’s too soon to get rid of Phil, he should get some more time to see if he can work himself out of this hole. He’s made mistakes, let’s se if he can learn from them;

    Marc Trestman strikes me as being a good, high character guy and compassionate man. As someone said many threads ago, he is exactly the HC you’d like your high school kids to play for. He was worth taking a shot on but I don’t think it’s going to work out even though I’d be mildly surprised if he’s not back next year. He’ll get another chance too.

    Mel Tucker is gone as are probably most of the D coaches although one of them might get a shot at DC as who outside the organization would want to work for a probable lame duck HC (see Lovie Smith/Mike Martz) although you never know. Some no-name assistant might want to give it a shot;

    Joe D might not deserve to be gone because of what he was given to work with but he probably will be too;

    Cutler is going nowhere and not changing either. If I were the OC, I’d be trying to devise something that plays to his obvious strengths and minimizes the inevitable damage…

  • Jack Lacan

    I just want to say that I don’t care who goes – who stays – what changes — draft picks — trades — any of it all —- I just want the
    Chicago Bears to win games…many games…and I believe we all do…This is probably more worthless than the most worthless on this Blog…but I wanted to say it…
    Best – Jack

  • Dick Buttfucka

    Man the da bears suck worse than a two bit hooker…. Maybe Brian Urlacher could cum back and teach Jay Cutler how to be a man… Since Jay Cutler acts more like a bitch than most females on prom night…. It’s time for Jay Cutler to cum to terms with his homo erotic fantasies….

  • Dick Buttfucka

    Yeah Steve take it like a man…. Not like the bitch that you are you f**king F**got…. Fill in the blanks cocksucka…

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