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What is the Bears Offense?

| November 17th, 2014

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Tweeting in-game is growing on me. Not only do I enjoy expressing joy and frustration in the moment but going back and looking at those Tweets can often tell the emotional story of a football game. Here is a Tweet from well-into the Bears victory over the Minnesota Vikings:

This offense means nothing to Cutler. He makes no plays in rhythm. Idea that changing offense will impact him is fallacy.

I don’t remember the play that spawned this comment but, quite honestly, couldn’t it have been all of them? Many individuals, including myself, have argued the Bears changing the head coach at the end of the season would be a detriment to Jay Cutler because it would be yet another system change for a player whose career has been marred by a lack of consistency in the playbook and on the field. But watching the Bears offense, even when it is performing well like Sunday, left me asking a singular question: what is the Bears offense everyone is so passionate about not changing?

I know what it’s not.

It is not about a commitment to the running game and more specifically the running back, who happens to be the Bears best offensive player. Forte had 3 carries in the Bears first 15 plays or so Sunday and on 4th and goal from the 1 the Bears chose to unleash their secret playbook weapon: the Cutler sweep left.

It is not about the rhythm passing game Trestman was lauded for in Oakland. Look around the league at the most dynamic passing attacks – Green Bay, Denver, New England – and chart how many passes are delivered within a second or two of the ball being snapped. Always to an open receiver, almost always while the receiver is moving in the direction of the desirable end zone. Rodgers, Manning and Brady quite often know where they are going with the football before the ball reaches their hands, keeping defenses off balance and limiting the opponent’s opportunity for pass rush. The only times Cutler delivers the football in rhythm he is usually throwing it behind the line of scrimmage on a bubble screen. This is the offense you’d expect a team to run when they are attempting to hide a rookie quarterback or when they’re starting Kyle Orton.

So what is it about?

Sunday’s win against Minnesota was about Jay Cutler’s big arm. It was about Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery using their size and strength advantages to make plays when they were not open. It was about Matt Forte gaining yards when there seemed no yards to be gained. Sunday was about a victory for talent, not scheme. For players, not coaches.

While it’s in vogue to kill Jay Cutler for everything from his facial expressions to his methods of childcare, one thing was clear to me watching the game yesterday: most quarterbacks in the NFL don’t attempt either of the Brandon Marshall touchdown passes. Don’t. Attempt. Them. Cutler trusts his receivers to make plays. At times it’s a strength. This year it may very well be his signature flaw.

Dan Pompei credited the head coach: “Marc Trestman and his offensive staff did a nice job of creating matchups that were favorable to the Bears.” Really? They did? Exactly who in the Vikings secondary would not have been a mismatch for Marshall and Jeffery? What makes the offensive talent of the Bears unique is the fact that those two men are a mismatch for every defensive back in the league. But what does Trestman do to get the ball in their hands, outside the far too often screen? When do Marshall and Jeffery have easy catches down the field? The answer is rarely.

The Bears are twenty-six games into Marc Trestman’s offense and the only thing I definitively know about the system is it features the tailback in the passing game. Sometimes it throws a bunch of screens to receivers. Sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it features the tight end. Sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it tests the opponent vertically. Sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t.

One would have no issue arguing that system stability is a key to sustained success in the NFL, especially on the offensive side of the ball. But when one looks at the performance of the Bears offense, what system do they see? Other than terminology, what would be so different if the Bears replaced their head coach at season’s end? Wouldn’t any coordinator with a working pair of eyes understand Forte’s value in the passing attack and see the two star wideouts are bigger than the fellas being asked to cover them?

What is the Bears offense? What does it do today that you, as a fan, would be afraid to lose in a post-Trestman system? What does it do today that differentiates it from the dozens of other offenses across the NFL? What does it do…period?

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  • BearDown100393

    I suppose this is a bit of a broken message but I’ll repeat it once more. This offense did not get going until Matt Forte started carrying the football. The running game steadied the offense and allowed the passing game to open up. The first few offensive series were not impressive. Dumb penalties. Out of sync offense.

    • 1st quarter had 14 called passes (including a QB scramble on a called pass) and 2 called runs. 0 points.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        what does that even mean though?
        First drive Cutler was 6/9 for 64yds and they missed a FG that Robbie is usually automatic on. Forte accounted for 42 of those yards on the first drive so what difference does it make if Forte ran for 30 or caught it for 30 on a screen? That drive stalled because of penalties anda missed FG not because Forte didn’t run the ball enough.

        Second drive Cutler was 6/7 for 71yds and they scored a TD.
        I don’t know what you’re trying to get at about somehow having a small number of called runs and 0 points. It doesn’t make any sense.

        • you’re absolutely right that the offense was only stopped by itself in the first quarter, so it’s not fair of me to equate a lot of passes to no points. Correlation does not equal causation here.

          I still hate the lack of balance though. Recurring issue for this team, and it’s frustrating.

          • Cormonster

            With you 100% on the offensive balance.

    • SC Dave

      Not sure if there is some notion that you have to establish the pass to set up the run, but it sure seems that is part of the philosophy.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    First to say, sounds like you are saying Keep Trestman for the sole reason that if we lose him it hurts Jay? Not sure if that is wise or not at this point.

    Sure, new systems always have a learning curve, but I say if there is a BETTER coach out there that can use Jay, BM, Jeffery and Forte better than our coaches are now..GRAB HIM.

    The story is the same we have the tools to truely be a AWESOME Offensive force…why are they just so so? Play Calling? Lack of motivation from the Staff? All of the above?

    The Bear Offense is under-performing. Something needs to happen and quickly to turn that around.

    • I think he’s saying the argument that changing to a new offense sets Cutler back is overblown, because Cutler is not a system QB. He’s at his best when improvising and playing schoolyard football.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        Ah OK I misunderstood. Yes, I totally agree Culter is a better QB as a “on the Fly” performer. I still say let Culter call his own plays for a half and see what can happen.

        • BillW

          No – they would run even less then.

      • SC Dave

        That’s how I read it, more or less. But the argument is also that “the system” is not well-defined. Not that I’m sure one needs to be.

        One of the problems right now is that the debacles vs. Brady and Rodgers are still too close in time. In those games, whatever offensive game plan there was became obsolete by the end of the first quarter. Versus Minnesota, it would seem there was a better chance to stick with the game plan.

    • jim

      so-so because cutler is so-so and immature. he will never win anything, anywhere, he is 1-10 against the packers. pathetic.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I have no fucking clue.

    I’d add another question to Jeff’s questions: what do Bears O want ? What do they seek to accomplish from the opposing Ds ?
    The most basic….do they want them in nickel or in base ? Do they want them in zone or man ?

    I have no idea. I’ve quit trying figuring it out.

    PS: I think the answer lies in McCown’s 6 games last year. Cutler is.. well Cutler.
    Based on McCown games I believe Trestman’s O seeks nickel, man-to-man Ds.

  • EnderWiggin

    Jay and B have looked their best under Tice. Cutty runs for his life and flips it to Marshall (on every play).
    Sometimes I wonder where Cutty would be if Turner was still around (probably dead or mildly retarded). Thank Goodness we’ll never know, but Turner was our only OC that realized that Cutty was better on the move.

  • Sactowns#1

    Offense? I would charge them with neglegent homicide for killing fan’s hopes and dreams.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Now that’s an NFL that would gain world wide fan following. Arrest all players and units that don’t perform to their offseason hype.
      Particularly high success would be reached in areas like Russia and the Middle East.

  • BillW

    Jeff – I read your post twice and must say I found it very deep. I like the point you’re making but I think you might have held back a little.

    Main point – losing Trestman doesn’t mean we Cutler is set back. he doesn’t seem to be running any offense in particular.

    Going deeper though – and has been posted – we saw the offense last year under McCown.

    So let’s take this deeper – maybe Trestman has a good offense but not a good offense for Jay.

    No one has ever compared Rich Gannon’s style to Jay’s style. Therefore – maybe Trestman is “wasted” on Jay.

    I don’t think a jump ball offense is what Trestman aspired for this team. Now in fairness, it’s what the Vikings seemed to beg for, so good for them for exploiting it.

    Presumably Tampa will play the cover 2 that supposedly is the “correct” defense. We’ll see if Trestman devises a game plan that exposes its presumed weakness (the middle) with Bennet and with Wilson.

    • SC Dave

      By the same token, losing Cutler doesn’t mean we’d be setting Trestman back. After all, look at Josh last season.

  • Peanut FTW

    I think the only real part of this that I don’t agree with is that Rodgers and Brady know who they are throwing the ball too pre-snap and Cutler doesn’t. If anything I would say quite the opposite in most cases. Yes, in the red zone, you man up Gronk, thats where Tom is throwing it, yes you play single high safety and there is a go route on Nelson, that’s where Aaron is going. But once the play begins, I think that is where Cutler stays focused too long on his 1 and the other two simply go to their next read(s) until there is an open one.
    When teams shell up and play cover zones against us, this team fails to take advantage of the running lanes or open middle of the field that those defenses give up. I am a bit on the fence about the offense because while it isn’t great, it isn’t screens to the fing TE who is standing behind center and 7 step drops or the most vanilla west coast playaction offense in the world either.
    What I hate the most, is that things that seem to be working in a game, moving Jay, moving the pocket, passes to the TE, or Jay actually pump faking; none of those things carry on to the next game.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Big difference between throwing to a guy because the system dictates it and throwing to a guy because that guy I trust.

      • SC Dave

        And an even bigger difference throwing to a guy BECAUSE HE’S FUCKING OPEN.

  • Peanut FTW

    I would add that to some degree in Trestman’s offense, some of those passes are effectively runs. Those insanely quick hitters to alshon is really a student body sweep where u need less blockers because there are less defenders.

  • SC Dave

    Whatever our offense is, it’s certainly NOT this:

    “1. The rest of the NFC contenders have to be hoping the Packers don’t seize homefield advantage for the playoffs. They have jumped out to leads of 30-3, 45-0, 38-3 and 42-0 in the four home games since Rodgers’ R-E-L-A-X admonition. They have posted a 50-burger in consecutive games for the first time in their 93-year franchise history. Rodgers’ touchdown-to-interception is 31:0 over his last 13 home games. The Pack’s average score over the past seven games overall is 39.4 to 20.9.”

    A POX upon the Packers, I say!

    • Relax coincidence? I think not.

    • BerwynBomber

      His TD:INT ratio is fucking insane. And right now he should be the leader in the MVP race.

      That said, how many times have we seen how-powered offenses stumble and fall in the post-season? More often than not is the answer.

      If McCarthy were smart, he would scale back on the Rodgers Show except when needed and try to establish Lacy and Starks more. Would help the Cheese big-time if they make the post-season.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The Patriots will beat them to a pulp.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        Barb, if the Patriots fought the 1986 Soviet Army on neutral ground such as a high school parking lot in Afghanistan who would be victorious?

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          Patriots in a rout?

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Hey man. I’ve been actually making some good fucking money betting on the underdog Patriots the last 3 weeks. Hopefully I’ll double up when they play the Pakers. Again underdogs…again me playing Patriots win straight up.

        • Only thing worse than getting trolled by a Packer fan, is getting trolled by a Romanian “Bear” fan who hasn’t come out of the Patriot closet.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Are you sure about that? This jamoke is just temporary. You’ve been stuck with the big cheesy for years.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Fuck you, cunt !!!

            Kidding aside… who the fuck you think you are questioning my Bears fandom and putting me in the same discussion with some packer wanker !?

      • SC Dave

        Wrong. The Packers will kick their miserable asses.

  • TheBigCheesy

    “Sunday’s win against Minnesota was about Jay Cutler’s big arm. It was about Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery using their size and strength advantages to make plays when they were not open. It was about Matt Forte gaining yards when there seemed no yards to be gained. Sunday was about a victory for talent, not scheme. For players, not coaches.”

    Great writing. And accuracy.

  • Irish Jose Conseco Comets streaking across the universe
    MB Kim Kardashian Butt and Lovie returning to Soldier Field.
    If there ever was a time to return, the time is now.

    • GPLDAN

      If DBB were a bar, and Jeff owned it, he could commit to having a drink. You take a Twinkie, tear it in half, pull all the frosting out of the middle and smear it across the plate in a trail, and fill half the twinkie with Trade Wind.

      We could call it the Canseco Comet.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        and i’d pound them all day as everyone at the bar kept calling for the good old days of MacGowan.

  • Jeff actually made me realize that Cutler is who he is, and that no new OC, Linemen, Weapons, Scheme, etc will make him better, or worse.

    Look at his 3rd season on the Broncos, arguably his greatest season, and under a totally different (competent) scheme and personnel.

    Now compare that to THIS year’s stats, and tell me you see “progression.”

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9597/jay-cutler

    His rating is a smidgen higher, but his QBR is dramatically lower.

    Data astutely pointed out that the rating favors completions, and since Cutler has had tons of dumps offs to Forte, that that is why his rating is higher than it probably should be.

    The implication being, that if Trestman does get canned and a new system is in place, it really won’t matter much. Cutler will get about the same touchdowns, complete about the same %, and TURN IT OVER at the same rate no matter what system he’s in.

    That type of QB MIGHT work with a strong D and Specials, but we’re not all that close to having those dominate.

    • Big Mike

      I don’t know when Bears fans will realize that Cutler is just a guy. He’s a nice QB. That’s it. Those who want to run him out of town, have no clue about. Those that expect him to be Brady or Rogers are equally clueless. He has plenty of weapons to be “a guy” and win. Need to use the weapons right. How about running on 1st down? How about working on building a field position edge and controlling the clock.

      • What pisses a lot of fans off is that Cutler isn’t getting paid like a “JAG”. He’s making MORE than Brady or Vadgers.
        But I agree. He’s definitely better than the bottom 3rd, but that’s not saying much.
        I wonder, how much better would we be if we had an Alex Smith or even Hoyer?

        • Big Mike

          Their contracts are old. It’s a great contract. The Bears have some flexibility. They needed to make a statement. They did. Cutler’s our guy. If Rodgers’ contract was up, he’d be getting 2x what Cutler did.

          • CanadaBear

            It was close to the same time and Rodgers is getting more overall per season. I think it was in the 21/season range.

          • SC Dave

            And deserving 3x

          • Big Mike

            Absolutely.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Rodgers got paid the year before Cutler did

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          are you kidding me?

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            I’ve seen it all man, seriously. I’ve got posters comparing Cutler to Bortles and Geno fucking Smith. I’ve got posters wondering if we should have kept McCown or what we’d be like with Brian Hoyer as the quarterback. Alex Smith is a fucking first round professional fucking quarterback dude not some guy you “just get”.
            You guys used to pine for Cam Newton, some guys wants Bridgwater, people call for Jimmy Clausen…
            what the fuck is wrong with you short bus all stars?

            this is one of the most infuriating and entertaining blogs I’ve ever been on. I never know what the fuck you guys are going to come up with next.

          • I wouldn’t want Geno Smith, or Bridgewater, or Clausen, or even Cam. Cam is probably about the same as Cutler, IMO.
            However, I would def trade Alex Smith for Cutler straight up, esp since Alex Smith is cheaper. And even though he was a 1st rounder, for a long time, he wasn’t productive, so much so that the 9ers preferred Kap over him.
            McCown would have been a totally different philsophy. That would have meant a rebuild, which would have taken us in a totally different direction, including probably not signing Allen or being so aggressive in FA in general.
            We need a QB who doesn’t turn it over as much, it’s really that simple.
            The one think you can bank on for Cutler is his TOs. No matter the team, scheme, personnel, OC, etc He turns it over too much.
            You can’t argue that he doesn’t turn it over too much, and you can’t possibly blame everyone else besides Cutler.
            To do so would be to pretend Cutler has just been a very unfortunate QB of circumstance – instead of the culprit.
            I now believe no amount of “coaching up” will ever make him a SB winner.
            That’s just me. Though obviously, I’m not alone.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            can I tempt you with Orton?

          • Nah. I liked Orton too, but him and the “Amish Rifle” Dalton I don’t think would cut it in the play-offs. They would have to “Dilfer” it.
            We need a more efficient QB who CAN unleash when called upon.
            A Wilson/Smith type.
            Cutler just unleashes no matter what (Dooont Caaarre)
            And Orton and Dalton are INCAPABLE of unleashing.

            I still stick to my original plan. Keep Cutler for next season, but aggressively search for a new franchise QB. Unless a Peyton falls in our laps like the Broncos.

            Talk about fucking winning the jack pot. Going from Tebow to a HOF.
            SMH.

          • guest

            Alex Smith was the worst QB in the NFL. For a long time.

          • BillW

            I don’t know what the blog will come up with next but apparently the days of tits on kittens are over

      • DaBearsBlog

        I disagree with him being just a guy. I think he’s a special talent.

        • BerwynBomber

          And that’s your problem. Lots of people get intoxicated by the good Cutty (huge arm, decent pocket mobility, good downfield runner, physical toughness). Unfortunately, there is the bad Cutty (questionable decision-making, slow thru progressions, locks on a receiver, sketchy ball security). All in all, it makes him “just a guy” or a middle of the pack QB. Nothing horribly wrong with that — he is as good as half the starters in the league — but I doubt any “QB guru” will ever rid him of his flaws and his contract is a killer.

          • BillW

            A statistician is someone who has one foot in boiling water and the other in ice water and says “on average, I’m comfortable”

        • SC Dave

          Special as in “special needs”?

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I disagree with him being a special talent. I think he’s just a talent.

        • Big Mike

          Results don’t support your opinion. I was on the Cutler bandwagon, I believed all the problems. (no talent, bad OL, different systems, bad OC). I said early on this was his year to prove something. He has. He has proven that he is an above average QB. He is the ultimate “whole is less than the sum of its parts” guy. He’s got an arm, he’s got good feet in the pocket, he’s mobile, he’s got good football IQ. But yet… mediocrity (for his team) is his ceiling. I don’t know why, it’s unexplainable. He made 2-3 passes Sunday that I don’t think Rogers or Brady makes. He also had a couple that looked like a HS backup QB. It’s maddening. I want to be wrong, but what would it take? I dunno 5-1, 6-0. Carry the team to victory type stuff? Probably less than that, but at the end Cutler’s likely the QB of an 8-8 team, after being 5-6 last year. “with all this talent”.

  • GPLDAN

    Bear Down hit the point. I read all the responses and hoped somebody would hit the main point:

    If the Bears OL controls the line of scrmmage with their zone blocking, and they open up holes, they win. Because once Forte can start making trap runs, sweeps and draws, then the essential truth comes out: Vikes can’t stop them with 7 in the box.

    And yesterday, if you watch the film this week you will see: they couldn’t stop them with 7 in the box.

    Sooooo….. they had to come out of C2 High and C3 and play C1 and bring Harrison down to stop Forte. And that leaves Alshon with his man and maybe the free safety high – it doesn’t matter if the free safety is there or not, Cutler is going to put it up there. And he did. And it worked.

    So for all the say-so about Sharriff Floyd being this emerging dominant 3-tech, Long pretty much handled him and the edge rush was not that good – Ola held up that right side really well. DLP filled in for Slauson really well. The Vikes had to contend with the run.

    Can the Bears make Lovie commit to 8 in the box? I think it will be the same game plan – make the Bucs stop Forte and then go deep with the jump ball. I would LOVE to see somebody like Wilson actually just burn a day and get behind him, but barring that, it will be Forte and then the back shoulder throw to the twin towers.

  • GPLDAN

    Rosie Colvin was at the game yesterday and told Mannelley stories about his 6 years with Bellichek and how crazy brilliant he was. He would come back after a camp day and talk about making corrections to things he saw that were on a DIFFERENT practice field than the one he was at. He bookmarked everything he saw and could break any detail down to any player – essentially he could coach any position as well as any position coach on his team could. There was nothing he didn’t know.

    We, however, have the Cryptkeeper. So there’s that.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      He’s obsessed with ST play. He has guys that would be Bears starters that don’t dress for games because they have no ST value.

      Every depth guy has to be great at ST if not they’re out, fast. He brought in LaFell because he’s great ST. His starting 3 WRs all play ST.

      Last night he kept one of his Gunners out of the actives in order to go with Fleming. Everybody knew right there what they planed to do. Go with 6OL and run the ball down Colts throat.

      Everybody knew it 1 hour before kickoff. It’s the only possible reason to make him keep his starting Gunner out. In his place at Gunner played Malcom Butler who played minimum snaps on D after a stellar game against the Broncos. Butler’s presence in the lineup keeps another CB on the inactive list…Alfonzo Dennard… a starter for the past 2 years (2 AFC Championship losses).

      That’s what I’m talking about !!! We still start McCllelin and Briggs.

  • GPLDAN

    O’Donnell and Dennhey Auto parts are punting in a very VERY average way, while Tress Way might make the Pro Bowl as a punter for the Skins. But we waived him.

    Emery fucks us again.

    • Big Mike

      I don’t believe you can predict this. It was a calculated move designed to get us a good punter. POD out kicked Tress Way all camp long. Who knows what happened that made Tress Way better. The Bears didn’t lose because Tress Way worked out somewhere else. The Bears have a good punter (with some upside I believe) for years to come.

      But yeah, a crystal ball would be nice. We could have drafted another QB that we could cut.

      • BillW

        Who knows what made tress way better? . Maybe a decent special teams coach?

        • Big Mike

          OOOOH there it is. Was even thinking about that. Oh man, that makes it worse.. 🙁

          • CanadaBear

            I didn’t think POD outkicked Way by much, he just had the draft pick thing going for him. Unless POD totally shit the bed the Bears were going with the draft pick.

          • Big Mike

            By much is the key. and of course he was going to stick. But he didn’t do anything to “lose” the job.

  • Old broken romanian Jericho

    ok, i’m going home to watch the Monday night game and grab some wings. i’m sure that someone will be having wet dreams about Jake Locker tonight and how if we only had him we’d surely be 7-3 right now.

    • BerwynBomber

      Although two more years of Jay’s salary vs. Mettenberger’s $585K a year, and you might have some takers on the latter.

  • Cormonster

    Hey MBHAP, are you living back in Nebraska again? I’m guessing the locals were in a state of shock after the game Saturday. They must just hate Wisconsin after joining the Big 10. After years of dominating teams with the run game and now having it turned around on them has got to sting bad.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Yup, I lol ‘d at that score. Didn’t hear much from Husker Nation this week after ending up on the wrong side of history.

      • Cormonster

        Wisconsin has pummeled them in all but one match-up. This weekend’s game or the Big Ten title game in 2012 have to be their lowest points in the last 15 years. Nebraska got dominated on both sides of the ball Saturday. It was glorious! Bo Pelini looked like he was about to lose it Saturday, just like some of the other games against Wisconsin. I never liked Nebraska football because of Tom Osbourne. He was an asshole.

  • Cormonster

    Testing, one two.

    • Cormonster

      7th Heaven chairlift at Whistler Blackcomb. One of the most beautiful views I have ever seen skiing.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “China Clipper calling Alemeda…”

      • Cormonster

        Al, you got some great old movies for me to watch? You are definitely the expert on this subject. Just looking for a top 5 from the 40’s-60’s. I quit most of TV, but looking for some older movies to watch.

        • AlbertInTucson

          40s -60s,eh?

          Let’s start with the 40s.

          Particular Genre’s?

          Noir? Western? War?

          Here’s some 1940’s ssuggestions;

          In the 40s Noir you can’t go wrong with Bogart in THE MALTESE FALCON or CASABLANCA.

          Great noir with no Bogey?

          OUT OF THE PAST with Robert Mitchum, Kirk Douglas and Jane “Who-knew-she-was-so hot”, Greer.

          War: SGT. YORK (Gary Cooper) . 30 SECONDS OVER TOKYO (Spencer Tracy Van Johnson) OBJECTIVE: BURMA (Errol Flynn).

          TWELEVE O’CLOCK HIGH (Gregory Peck). SANDS OF IWO JIMA (John Wayne).

          Westerns: THE WESTERNER (Coop and Walter Brennan) MY DARLING CLEMENTINE (Henry Fonda) The First 2 of John Ford’s Cavalry triology, FT. APACHE and SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON.

          The 3rd, RIO GRANDE, is 1950.

          Family: HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m a Bogey fan. Just watched one of my faves, The Big Sleep. That movie was so far ahead of its time. Funny, sexy, a little dirty, endlessly entertaining and at some point you need a scorecard to keep track of who killed who. Bacall was such a babe back then and Martha Vickers as Carmen Sternwood is just crazy hot. The Maltese Falcon and The Big Sleep are my two favorite Bogart movies.

          • AlbertInTucson

            THE BIG SLEEP IS entertainaing , even the the plot is a mess that makes no sense couldn’t be cleaned up even tho’ they tried to with a re-cut version.
            I also like DARK PASSAGE, also, with Bacall,even with some plot machinations that force some suspended disbelief and KEY LARGO which has Bacall AND Edward G. Robinson.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve seen both versions. The plot is a non-issue with me. I can’t remember who made the famous quote about good movies have 3 great scenes and no crappy ones, but The Big Sleep has scene after scene that is compelling. Of course, Bacall singing in the casino couldn’t suck harder if it wanted to.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Can’t disagree. Plot or not, I watch it.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Another good Bogey. THE DESPERATE HOURS.

          • AlbertInTucson

            1950s (and I’m at work now so I don’t have my DVD inventory list handy and these are off the top of my head)
            CRIME:
            WHITE HEAT (Crime /James Cagney “TOP OF THE WORLD, MA!)
            THE BIG HEAT (Glenn Ford and early, evil Lee Marvin)
            THE ASPHALT JUNGLE & THE KILLING (Crime / both Sterling Hayden caper noirs)

            THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH (Family /Charleton Heston). A BIT hokey but it is still the best look at the last days of the Circus under canvas and the climactic train wreck is still great cinema.
            MR ROBERTS (War-Dramady/ Fonda, Jack Lemmon)
            STALAG 17 / THE BRIDGES AT TOKO-RI (War/William Holden)
            RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP (War / Clark Gable & Burt Lancaster)
            HONDO/THE SEARCHERS/RIO BRAVO (Wayne Westerns)
            SGT RUTLEDGE (John Ford’s under appreciated look at racism Great work from ex-NFLer Woody Strode)
            BROKEN ARROW / WINCHESTER ’73 (James Stewart Westerns)
            FORBIDDEN PLANET / THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (Still two of the best, most literate Sci-Fi movies ever).
            OPERATION PETTICOAT (War Comedy / Cary Grant & Tony Curtis)
            THE CAINE MUTINY (War/ Bogey & Van Johnson but Jose Ferrer STEALS the movie in the last reel).
            THE GUNFIGHTER (Gregory Peck. Possibly THE adult western).
            THE BIG COUNTRY (Peck & Heston and Burl Ives is great too. Also one of the best Western music soundtracks ever.)
            Can’t leave out these Epics”
            BEN-HUR (Heston .The Sea Battle and Chariot race are STILL two of the best set pieces ever filmed.)
            BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI (Holden, Alec Guiness, Sessue Hayakawa). It too me YEARS to realize the greatness of this psychological war drama David Lean. The last 2 words of the movie sum it all up, succintly)

          • AlbertInTucson

            1960s
            SPARTACUS (Kirk Douglas/Lawrence Olivier). Sorry, it’s better than GLADIATOR or 300. Still THE “Sword & Sandal” epic.
            FAIL SAFE (War/Fonda. DR. STRANGELOVE without the humor.Also Walter Matthau without humor)
            DR.STRANGELOVE (War/ Peter Sellers. FAIL-SAFE, with humor).
            7 DAYS IN MAY (Political/ Lancaster & Douglas)
            BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (Paul Newman/Robert Redford)
            CAPTAIN NEWMAN, MD. (Military Drama; Peck, dealing with PTSD when it was called Combat Fatique. GREAT work from Bobby Darin, Eddie Albert and Robert Duval as well. Tony Curtis for laughs. Angie Dickinson for looks)
            THE THE MAGNIFICENT 7 (Yul Brynner and a bunch of guys like McQueen, Bronson and Coburn who soon became stars in their own right. Another GREAT soundtrack)
            THE GREAT ESCAPE (War) (Star-studded POW epic. Deserves GREAT in the title)
            THE PINK PANTHER / A SHOT IN THE DARK. (Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau.)

          • NewBearInTown

            That is an impressive collection right there, and without notes. Well done.

          • BerwynBomber

            Al, check out “In Harm’s Way” starring Wayne and Kirk Douglas. A WW2 pic about naval operations in the pacific. Excellent stuff. I’m still a sucker for “From Here to Eternity” too. But I’m sure you know that one.

            In terms of McQueen, I would also add “The Sand Pebbles” and “Bullitt”. There’s also a solid WW2 movie starring McQueen. But I honestly can’t remember if it is “Hell is for Heroes” or “The War Lover”.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Thanks, Berwyn, but
            “…HARM’S,,,” “…ETERNITY” and “BULLIT” are all in my collection and IN HARMS WAY is a long time fav:
            Torre (Wayne) to Eddington (Douglas): “Your record already reads like a bunch of pig tracks.”
            Torre (Looks at Movie Magazine): “What IS Vicki Marlowe’s secret?”
            Powell (Burgess Meredith): “Well, it’s NOT what it says in THERE. Vicki Marlowe’s secret is she make’s a Million bucks a picture and STILL collects alimony from me in my present, reduced circumstance. But I have the satisfaction of knowing that all her pictures have been STINKERS since I stopped writing them. Rockwell, my boy, never, I say, NEVER marry an actress.”
            Torre: “You married 3 of them.”
            Powell: “It was like eating peanuts. Once I started I couldn’t stop.”
            I didn’t want to take up space listing all 375 or so titles, in my DVD library. Loves me my movie collection and they aren’t all “classics” by general standards.
            THE HUNTERS is another good Korean War flick with Robert Mitchum and Robert Wagner flying F86 Sabres and shooting down Mig 15s. Not on a par with THE BRIDGES AT TKO-RI but still good viewing.
            HELL IS FOR HEROES is WWII infantry vs. Germans. McQueen heads a cast of lots of recognizeable faces from Fess Parker to Bobby Darin to Bob Newhart,
            In THE WAR LOVER he’s B17 pilot /womanizer, “Buzz” Rickson who goes after pal/co-pilot,, Robert Wagner’s, girl.
            Not sure WHY I don’t have THE SAND PEBBLES yet. “HOLMAN! COME DOWN! HOLMAN! COME DOWN!”
            Richard Crenna (Rambo’s Col. Trautman) is also excellent there as the Captain of the San Pablo.

          • CanadaBear

            Out of all those you listed here are my faves; Stalag 17, Bridge on the River Kwai, Spartacus, Dr. Strangelove, Magnificent Seven, The Great Escape, The Hustler, The Wild Bunch, Point Blank, Hombre, Cool Hand Luke and Lawrence of Arabia.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Great minds think alike.”

          • AlbertInTucson

            Animal (Robert Strauss): “Schnickelfritz.”

            Harry (Harvey Lembeck): “Equipoise”

            Harry (Complaining about Sefton’s homemade whiskey):
            “Mr. Management! What are you trying to do? EMBALM US?

            Sefton (William Holden): ” “Whaddya expect for 2 cigarettes? 18 year old bottled and bond? All the management guarantees is you don’t go blind.”

          • Sactowns#1

            I would add Knife in the Water, 2001: Space Odyssey, Dirty Dozen, Dr Stangelove, Cool Hand Loke, Midnight Cowboy, Bullit (best chase scene ever?) and lastly Casino Royale just because its so damn weird.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The only car chase scene I can think of off hand that approaches BULLIT is in THE FRENCH CONNECTION.

            For whatever reason I just cannot really like 2001. It plods along for me.

            Dirty Dozen.

            Maj. Reisman (Lee Marvin):”Well, whaddya think, Sgt?”

            Sgt. Baron (Richard Jaekel): ” I think they’ll be just fine, sir.”

            Reisman: “Don’t give me THAT! I said what do you think?!”

            Baron: “I think the first chance one of them lovers gets he’s gonna shoot the Major RIGHT in the HEAD, sir.”

          • Sactowns#1

            Ronin has a pretty amazing chase scene.

          • AlbertInTucson

            True, true. Also the remake of THE ITALIAN JOB with the Mini-Coopers ain’t bad.

        • Sactowns#1

          You’re missing out on the best era of film- 1930’s. Thin man series is great. It Happened One night is the formula for just about every rom com to come, Modern Times (Chaplin at his finest) and of course Duck Soup.

          • CanadaBear

            Marx Bros and W.C. Fields are classics. The later Marx Bros are just OK to terrible but the first half dozen or so are treasures. Fields movies are hit and miss because they are so weird. He’s always funny on screen but some movies he’s just one of many “stars of the era”. For me, when he was on there wasn’t anyone funnier with the combo of physical comedy and bombastic characters. Always loved the swearing but not quite, usually either a browbeat husband or a general lout.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Cormonster requested 40s 50s 60s or I’d have happily supplied 30s titles.
            1939 is commonly known as the best year ever for Hollywood.

  • NewBearInTown

    Jeff: “The Bears are twenty-six games into Marc Trestman’s offense and the only thing I definitively know about the system is it features the tailback in the passing game. Sometimes it throws a bunch of screens to receivers. Sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it features the tight end. Sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it tests the opponent vertically. Sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t.”

    Here’s a question that I don’t know the answer to. What is the Patriots offense? Bellichek is a defensive coordinator prior to becoming a head coach. He has offensive guys that are the envy of the league, but they never seem to do much when they go elsewhere. He has Tom Brady, but the year he had Matt Cassel, they still got 10 wins. He has Gronk, Moss, Welker, whatever, over the past decade, but it doesn’t seem to matter who they put on the field, they score a lot of points. Yesterday, they put a tailback fresh off the practice squad on the field and he scored 4 touchdowns.

    Obviously the Patriots coaching staff has a ton to do with why that team wins. But what is the “system” that those coaches have installed?

    • BerwynBomber

      Technically, they got 11 wins that year with Cassel. That year convinced me that if choosing between the two — Belichick or Brady — I would choose the ‘chick as the most responsible for the Pats success. And that is not to take away from Brady who is a first ballot HoFer and is one of best QBs ever. But Cassel? He had not taken a snap since fucking HS. That was unreal. And that Pats team was not stacked either.

      Belichick is the best HC in my lifetime but I’m not old enough to go back to the Lombardi’s, Halases, Browns or even the early Shula.

      • NewBearInTown

        I agree, but that begs the question.
        Bill Walsh is amazing for perfecting the west coast offense. Lombardi had the Green Bay sweep. Buddy Ryan had the 46 defense.

        What is Belichek’s great offensive innovation?

        • BerwynBomber

          I honestly don’t know if there is one. But here is the thing about Belichick: unlike nearly everyone but Shula, he has won with vastly different teams. Those first two SBs were defense first/rushing game teams (despite Brady getting a ton of SB credit). Then the Pats morphed into the aerial show led by Brady. Belichick had his imprimatur all over those early Pats teams — he made his bones as a D coordinator — but the story is he took special interest in the O once he saw the pass defense and QB hit rules become so restrictive.

          Far as I know only Shula made such a mid-career coaching philosophy switch with comparable success. Shula of course started as a ground and pound/no-name D guy and then switched gears (and was before his time) once he had Marino.

          I always thought Joe Gibbs was fabulous too given he won with three different QBs.

          • johnnywad

            Perhaps his systemic philosophy is just adaptability. The offense clicked regardless of running back and even switching from Randy Moss to Wes Welker to Gronk as the main receiving threat. Perhaps he is great because he doesn’t stick to preconceived notions.

            Now, before Barb jumps on this post and tries to sell me Patriots t-shirts, I still believe their ultimate, Championship level success, is more about the good fortune of HOF QB and Coach running into each other at just the right time and making each other better simultaneously.

            Brady was passed over by the whole league nearly six times and Bill was far from successful prior to his stop in New England. These weren’t calculated decisions based on known qualities by some super shrewd GM. This was good fortune. I have nothing but respect and credit where its due for the successes since (and perhaps a bit of envy). Let’s also remember this team hasn’t won a Super Bowl in a decade and the Giants and Steelers have each won two. They’ve each won two sprinkled amongst seasons of utter failure with the same coaches and QB’s. Luck and planetary alignment both seem to count.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            If you want to talk american football, talk american football. There was no need to call me out as a Patriots femboy.

            I agree. The system is adaptability. Prepared, planed, designed adaptability. I think that’s based on Belichick’s main trait of not wanting to have any weakness.

            They indeed didn’t win any Super Bowl in 9 years, coming after back to back SB wins.

            The last 10 years they played in 3 Super Bowls, won 1, 6 AFC Championship games.
            The last 14 years they played in 5 Super Bowls, won 3, 8 AFC Championship games.

            Playing in the same division as Payton Manning, the best QB ever.

            Looking at those numbers and seeing that we’re talking about ‘systems’ I think their system is highly successful. Incredibly successful.

            I also think a system in general has little to do with winning or losing a Super Blow. The system gets you there ! After that it’s a game of who’s who, based on numerous factors.

          • johnnywad

            Fair enough. I can’t disagree. You’re still Bill’s BFF though.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I admire the Patriots and follow them closely. I also root for them to win the Super Bowl each year. They’re by big brother’s team so we exchange opinions about them often.

            I’m able to follow them without breaking much of a sweat by reading their espn blog. Those guys do a better job than the entire Bears media coverage put together.

            It’s where you find gems like these ones that give you knowledge and insight, especially if you watch their games.

            Patriots Defensive Backs snaps against the Colts:

            CORNERBACK
            Darrelle Revis — 56 of 58
            Brandon Browner — 55 of 58
            Kyle Arrington — 48 of 58
            Logan Ryan — 33 of 58

            SAFETY
            Devin McCourty– 57 of 58
            Patrick Chung — 34 of 58
            Duron Harmon — 8 of 58

            There were 15 snaps where the Patriots had only 1 S on the field…McCourty.
            It happened when the Colts went with 3WR-1TE. Browner was taking the TE Fleener, while the other 3 CB were taking the WR in press man coverage. The one that had TY Hilton had constant help from McCourty over the top… he was basically spying TY Hilton.

            So they played nickel every snap with CB man coverage across the board, Jamie Collins on the RB and 2 spies… McCourty for Ty Hilton and one LB for LUCK !!! The LBs were alternating assignments… when one was blitzing the other one spied either the RB or Luck. They also started chipping Fleener with the OLB when he was on a roll.

            If confirms what I saw live during the game. Stop the run while playing nickel, shut down Wayne with Revis, double team TY Hilton with McCourty and stop Luck scrambles.

            So simple, so beautiful.

            I got all that by watching the game and reading 5 minutes of gold information.
            Ask me what Bears D is doing and I have no fucking clue.

            PS: I also found out in that 5 minutes that these transfer deadline acquisitions played:
            Jonathan Casillas — 12 of 58 snaps (+ST)
            Akeem Ayers — 40 of 58
            Alan Branch — 15 of 58

            It makes me wonder how come 6-2 Super Bowl favorites New England Patriots
            acquire important players to an already stout roster, while Emery doesn’t bring in nobody to the 3-4 Bears ?

        • BerwynBomber

          But I’ve been rabbiting on w/out answering your question. I don’t know what the ‘chick’s coaching “system” is but the Pats football organization seems to have some hard and fast rules:

          1. stockpile draft choices/almost always trade down in the draft
          2. be ruthless when it comes to cutting or trading fan favorites/formerly productive vets
          3. only sign aging star FAs to one-year deals

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            these aren’t rules, but effects.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t know how you can say that. They look like rules for developing your roster. If you are saying it doesn’t describe the “system”, I can go along with that. But 1-4 in @disqus_2SrnuwTOe8:disqus’s post are rules.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            No… the rules are

            1. build though the draft and know what you’re looking for
            2. no individual player is more important that the team. Individual performance is the most paramount factor (leadership skills are a factor, but never the decisive one, that one might be the financial aspect)
            3. don’t commit future money in questionable situations.
            4. develop young depth players and seek/seize/act upon favorable deals.

            Nobody on the Patriots is thinking:we have to trade down, cut veterans, fans favorites, only sign 1 year deals and trade a backup no matter what.

            These are just effects of the bigger picture (build for now and for the future at the same time) and I can give you contrary examples on each of those points. That makes it not a rule, because the No 1 rule is ‘follow the rules’. If they create exemptions to the rule, the players never will. That was my point.

          • BerwynBomber

            No, Barb was right. Her rules (below) are more accurate. (I respect Belichick and the Pats but I’m not a fan/weekly follower.)

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I’m stunned.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Well, they call it ‘the Patriots way’. Of course people use it now even when Belichick goes to take a dump, but it’s real.

      Their system is exploiting opponent weaknesses and not having any themselves. It refers to all 3 phases.They key is the meritocracy they follow to the dot. Best players play on every given week basis.

      What I found over the years following them is that their way works so well other franchises almost ignore what they accomplish in one way or another. It’s some sort of inferiority complex mixed with stupid. Football fans in general also do that, but that’s another matter.

      I’ll give you an example: I watch every Patriots game, so I watched their preseason game against the Eagles. In that game Jonas Gray had 12 carries for 98 yards and a long TD called pack for a penalty. Also in that game the UFA Malcom Butler has doing some Revis style shut down corner stuff. It’s not the numbers in the preseason, those 2 just looked like propper NFL quality. So I come here and tell everybody that the patriots have the 2nd most roster depth in the NFL and that if I were Emery I would trade a middle round pick for those 2. Now Butler played so nice in the preseason the Patriots didn’t even risk putting him on the practice squad, but Gray was there for 8 weeks. And nobody picked him up. After seeing him play, I ask you ‘how the fuck does that happen?’.

      Another example and maybe a more glaring one is nobody picking up Edelman in FA 2 years ago. The Patriots got him for the minimum + bonuses. I remember a Jeff article where the put ‘sign Edelman’ on Emery’s to do list. I think the article was from 2 years ago.

      Nobody bit and now they have the 1.000+ yards WR-ST specialist for pennies.

      • NewBearInTown

        Everybody is talking about Bill Bellichek the GM, but nobody is talking about the offense. There are four teams in the league with consistently explosive offensive offenses: Green Bay and New Orleans both run pass heavy attacks that take advantage of star QBs that can make deep throws while keeping the defense honest with a very accurate, rhythm-based screen game. Both teams have used running backs over the years when available to keep some offensive balance, but they live off those passing games. That model is what most teams in the league try to emulate.

        The Colts/Broncos use Peyton Manning to run what is actually a fairly small playbook. But they rely on a very smart, albeit immobile quarterback to audible into a favorable play no matter what the defense runs.

        The Patriots have went to a power run game last year, a two tight end attack the year or two before that, and a deep ball Moss/Welker attack the years before that. I wasn’t following them closely during the early Brady years, but I guess they were more run heavy in those days. So they’ve run all sorts of offenses. All sorts of systems.

        What is the common thread that makes them so effective?

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Great coaching and great player leaders.

          I think they ran the same offense with Moss that they’re running now. It’s just the personnel has changed and they highlight the strong parts.

          At the beginning of this year, for example, they were a 3WR Offense. Injuries at TE might have had something to do with it. It didn’t work and now they are in 2TE Offense.

          The Defense was a 3-4 as the main D scheme from Day 1. It didn’t work and they went with the 4-3. With Mayo on IR they’re now a 4-2-5 all day long. Only the Jets ran against their nickel D, which they kept even in front of 2TE personnel.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “WHAT IS THE BEARS OFFENSE?”

    Not as point productive as it should be.

    Just under 500 yards in the first Green Bay game produces 17 points?

    Look at yesterday’s yardage;

    Cutler 330 passing. Jeffrey 135 receiving. Marshall 90 receiving. Forte 117 rushing.

    Seems to me that should add up to more than 21 points on the board.

    More damning: Yet to crack 30 in a game.

    • BerwynBomber

      Two INTs, a missed FG, and a dumb fourth and goal call. Btw, I was less down on the semi-weird fourth and goal call than not kicking the FG. Just take the sure points there. Minny’s O was making our D look like a Lovie-era D in its prime. No reason to get risky.

      • Big Mike

        Explaining the obvious doesn’t correct the situation. The talent is there. They just don’t get the most out of it. Most = points scored by the offense.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Blogfather Tweet: “Why some Bears fans should root for Titans tonight. Important to get Miami into postseason to delay their pursuit of Harbaugh.”

    Dream on.

    After a string of semi-comatose-demeanor coaches like Jauron, Lovie and Trestman, do you seriously believe Bear ownership would go anywhere NEAR the volatile-as-live-ordinance that is Jim Harbaugh…?

    I,for one, do not.

    Not to mention, WHEN was the last time the Bears hired a head coach who had already BEEN an NFL head coach and Papa Bear returning to the helm after a couple of hiatus’ does NOT count.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I mean AFC is so insane in the standing, I can’t even start thinking like that in week 10. There might be 1.000.000.000 variables right now.

  • BerwynBomber

    Laveon Bell is an SOB. Watch out for Pitt down the stretch.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      They’re exciting, but don’t have enough talent for going a long way down the stretch.

      • Trac

        I’ve got a name for you. Dick Lebeau!

    • wreckinball

      Pittsburgh is such a strange team. One moment suck can’t score next moment absolutely unstoppable,

      Their O is Jekyll/Hyde both were out last night

      Their D is average at best and LeBeau still play calls like they are the Super Bowl squad Their secondary gets torched some because of it

      We ll see My AFC pick is NE now

      • BerwynBomber

        NE or Denver is the best bet. But Pitt could be scary if they qualify and their D starts getting healthy. R-berger is one of the top five QBs in the league, Bell is the AFC version of DeMarco Murray and Antonio Brown looks like Victor Cruz a few years ago.

        But Pitt has to win their division or snag a WC berth first. Neither is a given in the competitive AFC.

    • Trac

      But he’s my Fantasy SOB. He he. Oh and the Steelers? Yes, they became my defacto team after the Bears shit the bed this year. I even went out and bought me a steelers cup. My Bears cup? I have no idee as to what happened to it. He he.

    • johnnywad

      http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000430302/article/adrian-peterson-suspended-without-pay-for-rest-of-14

      Click on the link and read the league’s official statement on the matter. I’m curious if it changes your position or not.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Guy… do you know how many snaps Marquess Wilson played on Sunday ? I’d like to know.

  • johnnywad

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/11/17/bears-notes-still-wasnt-good-enough-marshall-says/

    The important piece here, is Trestman’s thought regarding the end of the half. He states that part of the thinking is to get them (Vikings) to burn their two timeouts just in case they get the ball back. Jesus. Lets over think this a little more shall we. He isn’t thinking let’s go down there and get seven, kick them in the nuts, and get the ball back to start the third. He’s worrying about what they might do if he doesn’t pick up a first down or two. This is the root cause of the problem. You have to attack in the NFL. He seems to be just trying to hang on and prevent the other team from winning, rather than trying to win.
    He. Does. Not. Get. It.

    • Peanut FTW

      I don’t have a huge problem with the first run if that is the case, my issue was with absolutely no sense of urgency getting to the line when you do get great yardage. I mean even given the same two run calls, if they hurry to the line and again and spike it, they are probably at midfield with a time out and close to 40 seconds left.

      • BillW

        It’s a process.

        • Peanut FTW

          I think it is an expectation. Trestman expected to get nothing out of those runs, when they got a lot of yardage he looked up and said oh crap now I have no time and I burned my last TO.

          • BillW

            Actually I was thinking the same thing.

  • Peanut FTW

    I think it is very ironic that Baltimore is so sensitive about Ray Rice being their face of the franchise and how bad it looks for the team that he hits women. I think hitting women is absolutely abhorrent, okay, let’s get that fact down. Abusing women is horrible and should be aggressively punished. However, Baltimore, the last face of your franchise killed a guy. All he got was a $50k fine. Ray Rice fits right in with the face of your franchise.

  • Trac

    Uh, uh, uh, I love me some Le’Veon Bell. Yes Sir.

    • AlbertInTucson

      And LeGarrett Blount again shows who he is.

  • NewBearInTown

    Insanity in Israel today. Only through continued building will we overcome these all too frequent tragedies.

    • Trac

      Do tell NB. Are you talking about the jihad attack on worshipers today?

      • NewBearInTown

        http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/187608#.VGuDVJUtA5s
        The image in the article posted is a man, in full prayer garb, dead on the floor of a synagogue.

        • Trac

          Terrible hatred that the world turns a blind eye to because of spiritual darkness. Unfortunately my friend, it’s only going to get worse.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Sorry to say just a drop in the bucket if Iran gets Nukes. Since they are both crazy enough and stupid enough to actually use them.

          • Trac

            Yup. I agree.

          • Sactowns#1

            Wait.. I’m still looking for the coming ebola apocalypse you guys promised me.

          • Trac

            You’re half right sac.

  • GPLDAN

    Wanny on the radio said he thought Lovie was going to come to town and be the Grinch who Stole Thankgiving but the Bears have more talent.

    He also said that if it’s bitter cold like today that only helped the Bears. All hail Wanny insight!

    • CanadaBear

      In 6 years he made the playoffs once and finished with a career mark of 41-57 that included 4-12 his last 2 years with the Bears. Not to mention, a rousing success everywhere else that he’s gone!

    • BillW

      I t will take you the rest of the day to recover from listening to Wanny. My condolences.

  • johnnywad

    Jeff,

    I don’t do Twitter. But I see your tweet below regarding four year old children. I cannot agree more. Its stunning that a large segment of the population still thinks this treatment is not only okay, but that he’s in fact looking out for his child’s best long term interest. Sickening.

    • NewBearInTown

      See I think a lot of folks have got the wrong perspective on this.
      I don’t think Peterson’s behavior was okay, but I also believe him that he thought he was doing the right thing. So what we’re dealing with is a situation where we can take someone who has unhealthy views and educate them about how to be a better parent. Education will (a) help the child in the question; (b) hopefully stop the cycle of abuse for future generations; and (c) provide a much more positive sound byte for the NFL.
      Peterson should have been suspended – he committed a crime. But he should have the door open for him to come back into the league and be an example for the other players and the fans. That’s what we do with players that have real substance abuse issues and its what was warranted here as well.

      • johnnywad

        I can see what you’re getting at. But there is an infinite gap between substance abuse and child abuse. For me, personally, zero tolerance. You don’t get to come back from it.

        Click on the link in the article and read the league statement on it. I think Roger’s being generous.

        http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000430302/article/adrian-peterson-suspended-without-pay-for-rest-of-14

      • Sactowns#1

        I have no idea how people somehow try and excuse or justify Petersons behavior. In my mind this is far more egregious than Ray Rice’s elevator incident. You’re talking about a 4 year old child, possibly physically and mentally scarred for life with these actions. Take that and contrast it with two drunk adults fighting in an elevator and you tell me which should be getting the stiffer penalty.

        • Trac

          In the middle of all these issues is our humanity. But for the grace of God go I. Anyone is capable of all of the above given the right circumstances. You gotta hope people learn from their mistakes and build better lives when they miss the mark. Ignorance has a lot to do with bad behavior. I hope rice and AP are better people having been punished and called out. I wish abortion received the same attention these guys are getting.

          • BillW

            AP didn’t sound sorry at all; he continued to justify his actions as being a cultural thing (and my God, why would anyone want to admit that torturing a 4 year is part of their culture.

            Yes – torture. Beating until bruised. Stuffing leaves in his mouth. The kid has no mental way to process what is happening; no way to know if and when it will stop; no way to even know why it’s happening and when it will happen again. That’s torture.

          • Trac

            I haven’t spent any time on him. I just know what he did was wrong.

  • wreckinball

    Bears offense?

    Agree with some perplexing game plans and lack of rhythm etc

    So Tresty is definitely questionable He also is a year 2 HC

    I think the Cutty factor is the majority of the issue He is a veteran and he is not executing like an elite or even average NFL QB

    Hope he changes Don’t think he will

    But this week just beat Lovie

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      He is not executing like Rodgers right now to be sure…no one is. To say he’s not executing as even an average QB would is simply lunacy. I’m disappointed that more people aren’t calling you out for these types of comments. In this post you bring up a good point about lack of rhythm and game plans that don’t seem to mesh with our strong points but then proceed to go all Yahoo and make an outlandish comment like that. Not even average? Unfortunate.

      • wreckinball

        He’s not executing. No where near Rogers and also no where near the guy who played last night or half the QBs at least that played Sunday

        The list is long. You actually think he’s top 10? He’s number 3 in his own division

        It’s reality not idiocy get off this blog a little and get other insight

        I’m not going to digress into name calling we ll just have to disagree

  • jim

    BS on supporting cutler for 2 years, trade him. he will never win anything anywhere. he is jeff george cutler.

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