• Big Mike

    Stupid move

    • Scharfinator

      It’s only stupid because it isn’t Fales. Let the kid play. He’s got time to show he has an upside. Clausen is a known quantity.

      • BerwynBomber

        Clausen is a known quality unless he pulls a McCown under Trestman’s system.

      • McCown was supposed to be a known quantity, as was Gannon.
        Cutler is absolutely a known quantity, and one the Bears can do without if at all possible

        • Scharfinator

          Even if Clausen shows up and looks amazing, what does that do for us? Trestman is fired at the end of the year and Clausen won’t have his system anymore.

          • Getting a coach that believes in the WCO isn’t all that rare. It’s not like with Martz – WCO is a pretty common Offense that can translate to other schemes.
            At the very least it can make Clausen our version of Orton. A guy who can bridge the gap between franchise QBs.
            Also, you never know. Brees, Brady, etc surprised many.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ha! You had me till that last sentence. But I agree about a potential bridge.

          • BillW

            Spot on. See my recent post

          • Scharfinator

            Between? We have one now? 😛

          • SC Dave

            So what? The point that will be made is that Cutler is NOT the guy.b THAT is the best thing that could happen out of all this.

            Because he’s simply NOT the guy.

          • Scharfinator

            But does the opinion of the lame duck head coach matter? Trestman only has two games then he’s gone. PE and maybe whoever HC’s next will decide what happens with Jay.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Agreed. Unless it’s Fales getting the start, this is pointless.

        • SC Dave

          Completely disagree. If Clausen does well, it will, for the second season in a row, show that the system is not the problem. since a “nobody” can star in it.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Really? If Clausen does well, the system is vindicated?

            Does that imply Cutler would be implicated as THE problem, and nothing else was a problem?

            I see what you’re saying, and to a point I agree. I would amend what you’ve said to instead read: if Clausen does well, MAYBE the system isn’t the ONLY problem.

          • SC Dave

            Can’t go that far toward your statement, but yeah you’re right, somewhere between what I said and what you said.

    • BerwynBomber

      Why? If nothing else, it allows the team to see what they have in Clasuen. (Personally, I don’t think much.) Trestman is gone anyways. His future relationship with Cutler means nothing.

      I’d rather see Fales but the kid I’m sure is not ready.

    • SC Dave

      Brilliant move. The only one that tells us anything. If Clausen does well like McCown, then we all know where the real problem is.

      • madscout12

        And when he doesn’t, does that settle the debate as well?

        Course, we all know what will happen. Pickles will do OK, and all those who hate Cutler will call the system vindicated, and those who love Cutler will say that Pickles didn’t play that great.

      • Big Mike

        My Bear fan brain is scrambled. First we can’t play defense and our offense looks good, but we’re 2 games worse than the coach that got fired. Then we can’t play offense or defense or special teams. Then none of the receivers who were the 2nd (1 yard from first) best tandem in the NFL can’t get open or catch. Then we give our most productive, consistent player the ball 8x in a game we said we’d get it to him more. Not too mention coaches crying in front of their players because they might have hurt their feelings, and then benching the “franchise QB” just to show’em. How bad it must have gotten for Trestman to finally do that.

        I can’t think straight.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Agree or disagree with move (I disagree with it) but this is the first moment of genuine, impressive leadership from Trestman all season.”

    I’m on the fence but I agree about the leadership: where has this Trestman been the last two years?
    My theory is that Tresty knows that PE didn’t stick by him on Monday and this is his final FU to PE.

    • Big Mike

      It’s not leadership. It’s cowardice and desperation

      • BerwynBomber

        Cowardice? Explain.

        • Big Mike

          Yeah that’s not the right word. It’s just the worst thing I could think of to say.

          But sending out Clausen if he’s sending a message, what is it? I’m in charge not Jay? Using that card is a one shot deal. A real
          Leader wouldn’t have to resort to that,

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, it’s a one-shot deal. Like I said, I think it is as much about PE as it is Cutler. Building the team around Jay was PE’s vision even if Tresty signed up for it. I think Tresty knows a) he himself and gone, and b) that PE is washing his hands of him.

            Anyway, just my theory. Regardless, it is not like Jay hasn’t earned a seat on the pine.

          • John Doe

            Settle down. It could just be that the relationship between Trestman/Kromer and Cutler has completely broken down and not functional even to play these last 2 games.

          • Cutler not getting along with another O.C.? As that baby in that commercial says, here’s my shocked face.

          • Tresty’s message is that he doesn’t believe in Cutler, and that perhaps PE jammed Cutler down Trestman’s and Kromer’s throat, so now Tresty starts Clausen and knows PE can’t really do anything about it.
            PE is NOT about to tie his career to Cutler at this point, so he can’t pull rank.
            Trestman has nothing to lose, really. If Clausen comes in and moves the ball more than Cutler, then he may at least show that it was indeed Cutler all along, and not him and Kromer.
            At the very least it might give him a shot at an O.C. job in the future

          • johnnywad

            Trestman endorsed Cutler after last season and suggested he get a deal. Emery left it to him to determine if Cutler was the guy or not.

          • BerwynBomber

            The Cutler extension is on Trestman? Cmon, Jwad … that’s just silly.

          • johnnywad

            Not exactly what I mean. PE wrote the deal. It was reported often that PE and Trestman were to evaluate Cutler last season and determine if he was the real deal for Trestmans system. Trestman said he was, emphatically. He had input in Phil signing the guy. Trestman was brought in as a QB expert.

            You think he went to Phil, and said “You know what? I don’t like him. He’s just not THAT good. Can you get me like a Jimmy Clausen or something?”. And Phil said, ” Tell you what. I’ll get you Jimmy Clausen, but I’m also going to make Jay the highest paid player in the NFL and tie you to him for three years. Go fuck yourself Marc.”

            I don’t. I think Trestman got exactly what he wanted.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t think we have any idea what goes on behind closed doors. For all we know Trestman was iffy on the subject and agreed to the PR surrounding it. But one thing I think would be hard to argue is that building the franchise around Cutler was PE’s vision not Trestman’s. The latter just signed up for it in year 1.

          • johnnywad

            I was on board with that vision. As was virtually everybody on this board. I fully believed the offense would be unstoppable this year. I was wrong. But I sure believed in the direction it was going and the collection of players Phil had assembled to do it.

          • John Doe

            Me too. I thought Cutler was going to be MVP this year. After Panthers game, I totally gave up on Cutler and started believing Bears will never win anything with him at QB.

          • SC Dave

            Wow… took you that long? I was thinking in about three years ago when it became evident that we were going to lose twice to GB virtually every season.

          • BerwynBomber

            I wasn’t but I HONESTLY don’t mean to rub it in. I just never believed Cutler was anything more than average (and btw, average IS generally better than bottome feeders like McCown or Clausen). Building a team around Cutty, to me, seemed like a fool’s errand. That said, I too thought the O would be much better this year.

          • dwhnt47

            Maybe this went down like this because of something that happened in a post-MNF meeting between coaching / management, during which Cutty was being berated for his sub-par play and subsequent refusal to talk about it during the post-game presser, and said or did something that seriously pissed off either Tresty, or Emery, thus resulting in him being benched.

            This is a career-killer of a move for Jay. At least in Chicago it is. AND I don’t see how this can possibly save anyones job unless Jimmy comes out and just plays lights-out… even then Im not sure it would be enough.

          • SC Dave

            Several games too late, but better than never.

          • Big Mike

            PE didn’t jam anything down Trestman’s throat. Cutler was viewed as an asset by Trestman. But who knows.

      • SC Dave

        Your Cutler bromance is showing.

  • Shady

    Maybe they’re protecting Cutty against injury because they have a trade in the works?

    Naaaaaah.

    • BerwynBomber

      Or it saves Jay from potentially leading the NFL in INTs.

  • Shady

    Totally unrelated but I figured we could all use a laugh:

    Smooth move, amirite?

    • Shady

      Nothing? Butch, I know you’ve been there.

    • SC Dave

      Smooth indeed! Okay, time to log off now. I did need that, so thanks, Shady!

  • TheBigCheesy

    Fuck.

  • John Doe

    Should have benched him at half against the Saints. I hope they give first half to Clausen and second half to David Fales.

    I am excited to see what this Fales kid has learned in these past few months.

    • Big Mike

      He’s going to suck.

      • John Doe

        Well, the Pats wanted to sign him to their 53. So he has something in him. I liked how he played in the preseason game against the Browns.

        • Big Mike

          Doesn’t really matter. It will be amusing. It will create a shit storm if he does well. Which will add to the drama. Either way it doesn’t prove anything

        • BerwynBomber

          He looked decent the first half of that game. He looked like a lost rookie the second. But I sorta agree about the Pats thing. I trust their judgment more than I do anyone in this city’s. Plus, they’ve developed decent back-ups behind Brady over the years (Cassel, Hoyer, Mallet, etc.)

          NE sorta takes the old Ron Wolf approach to QBs: it’s the most important position in all of team sports so draft one every year.

          I was watching “A Football Life” on Kurt Warner last week. At one training camp the Cheese had the following four QBs on their depth chart: Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Mark Brunnell and Ty Detmer.

      • johnnywad

        Precisely

        • John Doe

          I will take a rookie QB stinking it up rather than a 9 year, $54 million guaranteed veteran stinking it up.

          Anybody but Jay Cutler.

          Time to run Cutler out of town.

          Looks like it may happen after all.

      • He’ll suck at a cheaper price, at least.

  • Shady

    Trestmaing is finally giving up on him…

  • John Doe

    New details leaked about Cutler contract that we did not know before.

    We knew $15.5 million for 2015 is guaranteed.

    We knew $10 million for 2016 becomes guaranteed on 3rd day of the 2015 league year i.e March 13, 2015.

    NFL Analyst and former GM Charley Casserly disclosed on NFL Network yesterday that Cutler’s contract has offset clause. So if Bears cut him before March 13, 2015, they will owe him $15.5 million. But if some other team signs him, and it is highly likely that he will get signed somewhere if Bears release him, then whatever salary the other team pays Cutler will be deducted from Bears $15.5 million guarantee.

    Now if Kyle Orton got $5.5 million last year. I can see Cutler getting $8 million – $9 milliion. So Bears will owe him $6 million – $7 million. That will be the price to get rid of Cutler if they cannot trade him.

    If the new coach absolutely wants to get rid of Cutler, it is not as impossible as it seemed a few days ago.

    Watch the video below where Charley Casserly explains this:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/video/trade-value-chicago-bears-quarterback-233038090.html

    • Shady

      Intriguing.

      • BerwynBomber

        Very.

    • BillW

      What stops a team from signing him for the minimum and sticking the Bears with the rest?

      • John Doe

        Possible. Or Cutler may decide to sit at home and take a year off. He will still get $15.5 million for 2015.

        More likely, however, there will be 2-3 teams interested and will offer him a deal and there might be competition to sign him. so minimum offer is not likely.

        • BillW

          But cutler himself gets no more unless someone signs him for more than what the Bears owe him. Don’t get the bidding war. Sounds like cutler picks his team

          • John Doe

            Correct. So if some team offers him $16 million for 2015 then Bears will not owe him anything.

          • NO TEAM will offer Cutler that.
            My guess is he’ll go the way of Orton, McCown, Sanchez, Vick, etc. Some team will give him maybe $5M to find out if he’s been the most unlucky QB on the planet.

          • BillW

            Several teams will tell his agent they are willing to sign him I assume no more than league min. Or $1 since the Bears are on the hook for 15 mil. (don’t know how that works?) . Cutty takes his pick.

          • BillW

            And Cutty don’t care.

          • BerwynBomber

            Orton, I believe, makes $10M this year. Jerra paid huge backup money for him.

        • BerwynBomber

          Houston, DC and AZ are my best guesses. Jets too but I’m thinking the Jets will land someone like Harbaugh who will ask for a few years to develop someone else.
          Btw, heard today the Jets will have $50M in cap space next year.

          • John Doe

            Bills. That team is ready to compete. They are just like Lovie’s Bears in 2006. All they need is a QB. They don’t have first round pick in 2015 draft. and EJ Manuel is not ready and may not be ready.

          • BillW

            Perfect with their defense

          • John Doe

            Cutler needs a team with a great defense that can absorb some of his inevitable turnovers.

            Bills, Rams would be good match. Rams are ready to win as well. They just need a QB and Jeff Fisher probably does not want to draft and develop a QB. Bradford cannot stay healthy.

          • Chris

            But all of Cutler’s guaranteed money should still count against the salary cap, correct?

          • SC Dave

            leading the NFL in turnovers would destroy almost any team

        • SC Dave

          Since he will ever be anything other than mediocre, he should take the $15.5M, sit at home, and then retire. Win-win.

          • Doc Hamstring

            $15.5 million buys a lot of cat toys and herbal “cures” for the diseases his anti-vax kids are going to catch.

          • BillW

            Good one on the herbal cure zinger

  • Born in 85

    What if this pays off for Trest and the team puts up 30 in the next two games with a backup qb? Would there still be hope in keeping the coaching staff (except on D) and passing off cutler as the problem to trade him.

    • BerwynBomber

      Nope. This is just about Tresty wanting to go out on his own terms. He and most of his staff are gone. PE is probably 50/50. The wildcard is Cutty. I would have bet a paycheck he would be back but now I wouldn’t be completely shocked if he is dealt or cut.

      • SC Dave

        I can only hope. Cutler can go, and take Marshall with him.

  • BearDown100393

    Will Cutler be deactivated altogether against Detroit?

    • I hope not. I want to see how he reacts on the sideline.
      My guess? He’ll be laughing about with his Vandy cap backwards, taking a drag, playing Angry Birds.

      • SC Dave

        You left out the pouting part.

  • John Doe

    #BearDown2m
    Bears Video: Adam Schefter says Jay Cutler’s benching leaves a ‘big question’ about his future in Chicago (ESPN) espn.go.com

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    Jesus, what a shit-show.

    • Shady

      Oh…. We’re WAY past shit show. I feel like after the last game of the season the team is going to face the media, take a bow and say “The Aristocrats”

  • Shady

    Look at Clausen’s non-throwing hand. What is that thing, a claw? It looks like he’s cramping up. What’s with the QB off hand hand gestures? Always so strange. Whyyyyy?

  • BillW

    My take and it’s evolving since we don’t have all the info

    We have not heard from teddy at all as I’ve said a few times

    The kromer thing showed strain between emery and trest

    Emery distancing him from trest

    Trest supposedly said cutler would start last 2. (no source. Heard from a friend)

    Cutler is emerys decision so he would not bench him

    So MAYBE George has had enough. Teddy moves. Everyone is out. Cutler gone and the new guys get some game film on a possible stop gap

    Wow. Whatever it is, WOW!

    • BerwynBomber

      I’m starting to wonder the same thing. EVERYONE is gone. Even Cutty’s besty, BMarsh.

      • SC Dave

        Marshall is too busy playing TV star. Fuck him.

  • John Doe

    Bears players on offense, Cutty’s teammates, believe Jimmy Clausen will run the offense better than Jay Cutler.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000445303/Bears-believe-Clausen-will-light-it-up

  • BillW

    So has trestman said it was his decision? .

  • BillW

    Where the hell is the local media on this? Nothing from biggsy on the trib or even his Twitter feed

    • I’m searching for that too. Nothing on ESPN 1000 or 670. Odd

      • BillW

        Sounds like NOTTrest decision. Who took first team reps today? If Clausen the locals would be all over it

        • John Doe

          No practice today. Day off. Players just learning about Cutler benching through back channels.

          • BillW

            Ah. That’s right because of mnf. (think, mcfly!)

      • Shady

        B&B announced the report on air after the Hubbz segment. They were thoroughly confused.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, this would go against B&B’s pre-scripted narrative.

    • John Doe

      Kromer leaks to Rapoport or Schefty – national media – only.

  • BillW

    Almost certain Jay took first team reps else media would be all over it. So the decision came after practice. Maybe from George

    • John Doe

      Just to repeat myself..

      No practice today. Day off. Players just learning about Cutler benching through back channels.

      • BillW

        To repeat myself. Duh. Mnf. (think, mcfly!)

    • BerwynBomber

      I do think the George mention is relevant in that the owner’s meeting (before the Saints game) reportedly involved the following: 1) Tresty is gone, 2) PE is on thin ice, and 3) ownership does have extreme buyer’s remorse when it comes to Cutler.

      But yes, my guess is this is purely Trestman’s (and Kromer’s) call.

  • BillW

    Chicago politics at its best. . Gotta love it!

  • John Doe

    Here is Biggsy:

    Brad Biggs @BradBiggs · 6m6 minutes ago

    Someone at Halas Hall has major league buyer’s remorse right now on Jay Cutler with QB being benched for Jimmy Clausen this week. Stunning.

    • BillW

      Thanks JD. I don’t have twitter so I get it from the Web page which is probably delayed. See it now

    • I’m curious how the Bears are going to try to spin it.
      Will they
      A. Insist that Cutler is our QB, but they’re trying to protect him (typical Bears half measures).
      B. Proclaim that Cutler did not give the Bears the best chance to win this week
      C. Some half-assed “we simply want to evaluate Clausen, etc”
      D. We’re moving on from Cutler (would be utter shock)

  • John Doe

    Oh my..

    Rapoport: Cutler may have played his last snap for Bears. Front office ready to just cut him.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-around-the-nfl/0ap3000000445292/Clausen-to-start-over-Cutler

    • BillW

      MEANING EMERY GONE TOO! . Sorry for all caps but maybe….
      A real restructure!

      With Matt Millen in charge!

      • John Doe

        LOL!! No Matt Millen. Let the Lions have 0-16 record.

        • BillW

          I’m kinda drunk with the potential here and getting goofy

          • Like I said before, unless Phillips gets out of the picture, it won’t matter.
            He’ll simply hire a computer to choose the next GM.

          • BillW

            Doesn’t it seem like he is already out of the picture? Does to me.

          • John Doe

            Yup, these are not the moves of an accountant.

          • Right now, maybe. But if Emery goes, are the Bears/Phillips going to hire outside consultants again, or is George going to choose the next GM?

          • BillW

            Right now I think George hires a football czar.

            Please don’t f up my high.

          • Well, Cutty’s benched, so ding-dong, the witch is dead. Biggest move since canning Lovie, though that didn’t exactly turn out the way we hoped lol
            it could be that George hires a czar AND keeps Emery while dumping everyone else.
            Who knows? Maybe they already got Harbaugh in place, in which case it would be the Harbs and Emery show.

          • EnderWiggin

            Wasn’t ‘ol #4 one of the coaches interested in Fales? I think Harbaugh may have even referred to him as a top 4 or 5 qb in the last draft…

          • John Doe

            Oh yes, I remember that. So Harbaugh thought highly of him before draft.

            And Pats tried to sign him of our practice squad to their 53.

            Hmm.. We might have something here in Fales. A sixth round diamond???

          • johnnywad

            Maybe they’re just benching Jay for two games and nothing else is changing.

          • BerwynBomber

            I hear ya. I actually think if we truly want Harbaugh or Cowher (and I still think it is fat chance we get either) this gives us the best chance. I simply don’t know how you sell a “win now” mandate to someone with Cutler and this defense. A smart dude knows this team is a total rebuild.

  • Trac

    Let the games begin? I told you so!

    The Bears have now officially entered into the realm of Alice in Wonderland. I’m sickened to see this freak show unfold before me eyes.

  • BillW

    Centennial coming up. McCaskeys don’t want empty seats and an irrelevant team then. Time to take control George. Be a hero. They will write songs about you!

    • It’s dangerous precedence. Anytime Bears want real change, they’ll have to hire a ringer to beat up a McCaskey.

      • BillW

        Knocked some sense in him? Johnny Waffle tackling the guy was the inspiration he needed.

        Way to go Johnny!

        • BerwynBomber

          Doubtful this would be Waffle’s desired outcome.

          • BillW

            Waffle wants a Super Bowl like we all do.

        • huntinbare

          George put that guy on the practice squad this week

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      Did it take a Saints fan shoving George for him to finally do something drastic? Couldn’t have hurt.

      What would be weird next year is if the new coach is Rex Ryan…and the new quarterback Sanchize.

      • BerwynBomber

        Sanchize would not be a bad bridge if his salary remains low.

        • John Doe

          Nooooooooo!!

          • BillW

            We need an experienced qb until we get whatever answer the new regime decides on

          • BerwynBomber

            LOL. Believe me, there could be much, much worse.

  • johnnywad

    Its astonishing that this offense was so proficient last year. Great success with two different Quarterbacks. Look at the trajectory of each since. I don’t remember a story like this in sports.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, I think McCown crapping the bed in TB was no surprise. What will always surprise me is how well McCown played here. Dude was fucking leading the league in passing. That was baffling.

      • johnnywad

        I know. The guy’s basically a bum. I really thought Trestman had the secret sauce. Guess it was all a mirage

        • BerwynBomber

          Unless the secret sauce works with only certain journeymen. Gannon wasn’t exactly all-world before he became a rags-to-riches MVP out in Oakland.

          • John Doe

            Correct. And the Calvalho guy in Montreal also set all kinds of records. System QBs.

        • SC Dave

          Unless the secret sauce was tainted by a certain QB

      • John Doe

        That is because McCown is a system QB. He completely bought what Trestman was selling and stayed within the plan. Didn’t try to do too much.

        I have come to believe Cutler was a complete misfit for Trestman’s offense. His offense does not need a strong armed QB. Trestman needs a quick decision maker who is smart at reading defenses.

        Cutler meanwhile likes to play streetball. He is at his best when plays breakdown and he has to create something on the fly.

  • BerwynBomber

    Well, one thing is for certain: this just made Sunday’s game a WHOLE lot more interesting.

    Btw, Kittens clinch a playoff berth with a win.

  • BillW

    Cutler reportedly asked to be benched.

    “I truly appreciate my good friend Aaron Rodgers speaking up for me this week. To return the favor I want to do all I can to beat the Lions.”

    • TheBigCheesy

      Those jokes are swell, but this week’s game has absolutely no bearing on the NFC north championship, unless the packers lose to the Bucs.

  • Viva

    Emery allowing the best QB this team has had in 4 decades to get benched by Wanny Jr. will turn me into a full time Cardinals fan.

    • johnnywad

      Don’t go Viva. Toub is on the other line.

      • Viva

        I hope so, he is a winner week in and week out.

    • BillW

      Are we sure it was trestty making the decision? And if so as many have said it’s trest giving emery the finger for his remarks Monday. And as others have said if Clausen does OK trest gets some credibility back

      • John Doe

        Yup exactly..

        Pete Damilatis @PFF_Pete · 1h1 hour ago

        Marc Trestman may be done. But if he works magic with Clausen (like he did w McCown last yr), definitely boosts his resume.

        Pete Damilatis @PFF_Pete · 1h1 hour ago

        Say Trestman upsets the Lions this Sunday w/ Clausen. Next employer more likely to believe the problem was the QB, not the coach

        • johnnywad

          No way that limp dick gets another gig in the NFL. The world has seen his soft underbelly now. He’s done here. Back to the CFL, or maybe high school ball.

          • BillW

            Maybe not. But it could be his only chance at even another cfl job

          • johnnywad

            He’s a rock star there. They’ll take him back.

      • Shady

        I’m not sure I’m sure of anything right now. I keep thinking back to the start of the season and wondering, “How in the FUCK did we end up here?”

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, our “best QB … in four decades” was leading the league in INTs and TOs so it is not like he didn’t earn a little downtime. Even worse, he couldn’t move the offense when it mattered.

      • Viva

        Noted.

        If Trestman had any balls at all he had plenty of opportunities to jerk jay out of a game to send a real fucking message…namely i coach to fucking win. This is damage control.

        • John Doe

          Agreed. He was awful in the first of the Tampa Bay game. I mean they had 0 points at half against one of the bottom 5 defense.

        • BerwynBomber

          Semi-agree. But I don’t see it as damage control. I see it as a guy who coach scared the last two years now saying “fuck it, I’m about to be fired anyway, might as well see if my system can work with another journeyman.”

          Or … as BillW … seems to imply: maybe this is coming from the very top of the franchise and the message is: Jay is gone too.

          • Viva

            So we’re going to put the franchise back on the we don’t have a QB trajectory that we’ve spent 4 decades on. That road sucks. I’ve …we’ve. ..walked in those shoes..and those shoes are worn the fuck out.

            Henry burris. Johnathan Quinn..bob avellini…kordell stewart…Shane mathews…mike tomczak…steve fuller…rick meir…holy shit make it stop.

          • John Doe

            Not a good enough reason to put up with a shitty Cutler who is getting paid $18 million per year.

          • BerwynBomber

            $22M, I believe, this year.

          • John Doe

            I go by $54 million guaranteed for 3 years.. which comes to $18 million per year.

            But yes, I know he got paid $22.5 million this year. Just crazy money for 24 Turnovers.

          • BerwynBomber

            You know, what’s funny: I don’t even think the TOs are the biggest indictment of his play this year. It was that he could not move the ball when it mattered. I never thought Jay would morph into a highly productive/ball security guy. But I did think he could be a highly productive guy who was prone to errors. Unfortunately, he was only the latter in terms of that last equation, or at best not productive enough.

          • BerwynBomber

            We don’t have a franchise QB now. And we played just as well with Orton, Grossman, Miller, etc. Personally, I’d rather build the D and ride with a competent journeyman until a TRUE franchise guy is found.

          • As the saying goes, there’s two types of teams…one with a franchise QB, one searching for a franchise QB.

            Cutler was NOT a franchise QB, we were just fooled into thinking we had one for years.

            Trust me, when I first heard the news that we “stole” Cutler, I literally jumped up and down.

            Several years later, I’m doing the same learning that he’s benched.

            It’s a sucky journey to commence, but a necessary one.

            You also have to remember that next off-season will be ripe with “journey men” QBs who will at worst turn it over as much as Cutler for CHEAPER while perhaps actually providing intangibles.

            But the Cutler experiment is over, or at least should be.

            Time to move on.

          • BillW

            Yes. As the saying goes:enough is enough

          • John Doe

            Exactly. Couldn’t agree more.

            It is going to be painful to start from scratch with a new coach, new QB etc. but it needs to be done. There are no shortcuts.

          • SC Dave

            What do you mean “we”? I certainly was not convinced. Ever.

          • BillW

            I feel your pain but we have no reasonable prayer of becoming a sb contender this way either. If what is being reported and posted now about offense players complaints you can see why the move had to be made

          • SC Dave

            You forgot the last one… Jay Cutler.

        • SC Dave

          I was calling for Cutlers benching weeks ago. And the blog in general ripped my ass for it.

          Just as you would have all ripped Trestman’s ass mercilessly had he benched Cutler six weeks ago like he should have.

    • BillW

      The cardinals. Coached by the guy emery should have hired.

    • SC Dave

      Cutler is not the guy. He’s really not good.

  • BerwynBomber
    • huntinbare

      Just saw the talk Clayton did on this …he thinks Raiders will counter with $8mil per….Play one against the other gentleman jim

  • So, according to Mike Silver (via The Score) some leaks on O claimed that Clausen will “light it up” because he’ll run the offense the way it’s supposed to be run.
    More speculation is that Jay practices well, but that he sees “ghosts” on field, and that’s why he dumps it off so quickly, or just says, “fuck it” and chucks it up for grabs, etc

    I have a sneaking suspicion that it was a mutiny against Cutler by the offense, not Trestman or Emery, probably lead by Bmarsh, the defacto leader.

    Et tu, Brutus…

    • BillW

      Again, wow. Falls in line with the “we practice so well” mantra

      Translation. My offense is fine if the qb would just run it like Josh did

    • John Doe

      Bennett called out Cutler after the Saints game saying they needed more leadership and passion from certain positions and they know who they are..

      direct shot at Cutler if you ask me…

      • BillW

        Bingo. Offense mutiny. Meaning the whole regime has to go

        • Scharfinator

          Only because of the failure to bench him sooner. Trestman does it after GB, maybe something happens.

          • BillW

            Exactly

          • SC Dave

            I was (too fanatically, to be sure) raving to bench Cutler *during that game*. And the blog told me I was nuts. Of course, I’ve been doing that for three years now – Cutler should NEVER be allowed to play against the Packers.

            We lose every time. So Cheesy, the run may be over. Finally.

      • BearDown100393

        IMO Bushrod spoke up after the game. He certainly did on the field.

    • Shady

      Yeah, the Bears totally could have fuxked up Cutler. Damaged goods. I’d almost like to see him go somewhere like Cleveland and win.

      • John Doe

        May he win 10 Super Bowls in Cleveland.

        I just want him gone.

      • BillW

        If he turns around and plays well somewhere else(highly doubtful) then all the more reason to be glad he’s gone. Why not, you know, play well for the team paying you all that money?

      • SC Dave

        Oh please…really? Try the other way around – Cutler fucked up the Bears. It’s not like he had Ditka yelling at him.

        • Shady

          It was a two way street Dave, Cutler made his bed but the Bears have no idea how to develop a QB. They put em all through the meat grinder.

    • Shady

      I’m curious, if Clausen does “light it up” and prove the system works, is there ANY chance Tresticles sticks around??

      Is the throwing of Cutler under the bus and going to his backup the hailmary pass Trestmaing needs to stick in the league?

      I feel like no Bears fan in their right mind would root for that to happen.

      • If Tre,stman coaches Clausen up, that’s Gannon, McCown and Clausen (and that CFL QB).
        That would be a hell of a feat and would at least give him another shot at OC in the NFL.
        It would also be extremely damning of Cutler.
        Basically, the “I can make anyone BUT Cutler a winning QB” money-back guaranteed.

      • BearDown100393

        LOL, just watch Clausen light it up in the last 2 games and the Bears actually win. Trestman looks like a sudden genius. Cutler’s stock plummets rock bottom. And Emery looks like the loser for signing Cutler to the contract. So Emery gets fired, new guy is hired and promptly fires Trestman anyway to bring in his own guy.

      • SC Dave

        Why? What if the REAL problem *is* Cutler? And a Joe off the street can take the Bears to the playoffs and make the team relevant while we wait for a *real* QB?

        • Shady

          Like your nemesis Luftwaffle, you’re giving too much blame/credit to the QB. The problems run FAR deeper than Cutler.

  • BillW

    Still a lot more to play out. But my giddiness at the prospect of George cleaning house is tempered somewhat

    Trib reports Jay was told this morning by trestman
    Now that still doesn’t mean it was trestty decision

    But likely was. Last ditch effort to coach up a qb and regain some credibility

    Too little too late as Viva said but in line with a nice guy soft personality

    • SC Dave

      Fuck Bill, how many on the blog would have been raving how stupid Tresman was had he benched Cutler three weeks ago? I bet 80%+ of those now saying “too little too late”

  • BearDown100393

    Okay, so why now? I’ve read a lot of theories. Here is mine. Trestman knows he will be fired. And now Cutler is benched. Trestman is playing with house money. His only real shot at another head coaching position (in the NFL) is to prove his system works with another quarterback. He has to show the offense did not fail because of his coaching. Exit Cutler. Enter Clausen (or perhaps ultimately Fales). If he loses, so be it. He is already out a job. But if he wins with Clausen, he has a chance elsewhere. The Bears are stuck with Cutler’s contract. So Cutler stays no matter what. Trestman is auditioning himself to the league.

    • BillW

      That’s the prevailing theory here except the cutler stays part

    • BerwynBomber

      I would say Trestman is auditioning for an OC position not an HC one. Even if a lot of this on Cutler (and I think a lot of O’s issues are due to Jay), Trestman has dropped the ball in a ton of areas. No one would hire him as an NFL HC ever again.

    • John Doe

      Why are you saying this?

      “The Bears are stuck with Cutler’s contract. So Cutler stays no matter what.”

      Rapoport, Schefter, Jim Miller everyone close of NFL teams and who know how this works say Cutler is done in Chicago.

      Cutler’s teammates on offense don’t want him. The locker room in general (i.e including defense) does not want him. I had said a couple of days ago that it is my hunch that Cutler is a poison in the locker room because of his ridiculous contract and shitty performance.

      They can no longer force Cutler on the locker room or they will be more revolt from the players.

      Cutty ain’t coming back. He will be wearing a lot of Vandy cap and sweatshirt. You watch.

      • BearDown100393

        Because I have no faith in management until it is replaced.

      • SC Dave

        I can only hope Cutler is gone. Should have happened long ago.

  • Doc Hamstring

    Given that Trestman is going to be fired (per sources, per logic) at the end of the season, I read this as Trestman trying to shift the blame in an attempt to save his job, or maybe even take Cutler down with him.

    Because, yeah, no one thinks the Pickle should be the starter. This is punishment for Cutler. And that’s pretty petty. Unless the GM is saying “Hey, we don’t want him injured because we have a potential trade lined up in the off-season so we can unload his contract,” there’s no way benching Cutler serves anyone’s interest except the Head Coach trying to save his job (or his future employability).

    • John Doe

      LOL! Cutler took himself down. Trestman does not need to “take Cutler down with him.”

      • Doc Hamstring

        Cutler is the one with the contact with dead money against the cap. He has better job security than Trestman.

        • John Doe

          You need to catch up with the latest. Rapoport reported that the front office, ownership is ready to simply cut Cutler if trade is not happening.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Rapoport is wrong very, very, very often.

            It’s not like losing money–like when you fire a coach with years remaining on his contract. This is dead cap money that would hamstring any rebuilding for several years–meaning, no FA solutions. Build through the draft, especially at QB. I don’t think they’re THAT disenchanted with Cutler, given that this has been his worst-performing year, and so much else has gone wrong with the team.

            The saying is “the fish rots from the head.” The coach takes the fall first.

          • BearDown100393

            I’ll believe it when I read it that the Bears eat that contract.

          • John Doe

            Ok Cutler is coming back in all his glory. And new coaches are lining up to work with Cutler. And the whole locker room wants a leader like Cutler as their QB.

            Yes, you can believe all that.

          • Doc Hamstring

            No, I’m saying no such thing. I’m saying Cutler is more likely to be back than Trestman.

            Cutler isn’t responsible for the defense and special teams disasters. Trestman is. Cutler isn’t responsible for bad play calling, bad scheming, incompetent halftime adjustments, etc. Trestman is. Cutler isn’t responsible for Kromer leaking to the press and then breaking down and admitting he did it. Trestman is.

            Cutler is by no means off the hook in my book. But this season’s failure is in Trestman’s lap. Given that he would be cheaper to fire than Cutler, I see him gone first. Maybe Cutler, too. But Trestman–according to reports the decision’s already been made–is gone first.

          • SC Dave

            Ah! The new Johnny! Someone had to do it.

          • Doc Hamstring

            By the way, “Rapoport reported that the front office, ownership is ready to simply cut Cutler if a trade is not happening” isn’t what Rapoport said. Unless you have a link, I don’t know where you got this. The Rapoport “buyer’s remorse” story is 10 days old and that’s the most recent stuff I’ve seen from Rapoport about Cutler and the Bears’ front office.

            I’m not about to dig through days of Rapoport’s tweets, either… if a tweet is equivalent to a “report.”

            Here’s the most recent thing I found from Rapoport: One way Marc Trestman stays employed by the #Bears this season? Win with a QB other than Jay Cutler. Now is his chance.

            Ta da! Backing my theory.

          • John Doe

            I am not talking about what Rapoport reported 10 days ago. As I said, you are not up to date on what has been reported in the last 3 hours. You need to catch up.

            Here is Rapoport’s report on NFL Network TODAY where he says Bears will consider moving him this off season however it happens trade or cut. Go to 3:30 mark:

            http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-around-the-nfl/0ap3000000445292/Clausen-to-start-over-Cutler

          • Doc Hamstring

            OH. MY. GOD.

            The video you linked to, at the mark you said to start watching, says NOTHING about the front office “consider[ing] moving him this off season however it happens trade or cut.” Rapoport says that the reason why Cutler wasn’t benched earlier in the season is that Trestman didn’t know what Clausen was capable of (bullshit!). And he says that the Bears COULD save $3 million of Cutler’s contract if they release him in the offseason. And they’ll save ALL OF IT if they trade him (he actually says they’d save “more than” the $3 million they’d save if they release him). BUT AT NO TIME DID RAPOPORT SAY THAT THIS WAS THEIR PLAN.

            JESUS. If you’re going to assert something, and then provide “proof,” for fuck’s sake, have the proof actually BACK UP WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

            To repeat: at no point in that video does Rapoport say that the Bears are planning to trade or release Cutler. NO POINT. He doesn’t even imply it. He simply says that they’re on the hook for his guaranteed money, unless they trade him. And if they cut him, they save a little money (the NON-guaranteed portion of his salary next year, by the way).

          • John Doe

            LOL! You are deaf. He says” they are considering moving him in the off season however it happens”

          • BillW

            I can’t get the video on my tablet. Someone referee this. It’s pretty important to know

          • Doc Hamstring

            He says, and I quote, that the benching of Cutler is “a clear show now that they will consider moving him in the off season however it happens.”

            This is not him quoting a Bears source. This is not him reporting. This is him stating HIS OPINION that the benching of Cutler means that the front office will CONSIDER parting ways with Cutler.

            DUH.

            So the COACH benching a player MIGHT lead to the front office CONSIDERING trading or cutting the player.

            This is NOT equivalent to “Cutler was benched because the Bears are done with him and he is definitely getting cut.” Which is what you’re saying Rapoport is saying.

            You are simply wrong. Take your lumps and move on.

    • John Doe

      Here.. Even Jeff came around to benching Cutler.

      DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog · 2h2 hours ago

      On Cutler. Could see Saints tape being last straw. He looked to be purposely ignoring the system, left about 10+ easy completions out there.

      • Doc Hamstring

        So he’s playing like shit, so what? What point is there benching him now? None.

        Either they don’t want him getting injured because they think they can trade him (which Trestman shouldn’t worry about, because there is very little chance he doesn’t get fired), or Trestman wants to point to Cutler and say “it’s all his fault” in an attempt to save his HC job or his prospects after Chicago.

        • John Doe

          What point is there benching him now?

          Accountability. They don’t want Cutler out there not giving crap because his teammates on offense don’t want that. Many are fighting for future jobs and want to put out some good tape.

          • Doc Hamstring

            You think Trestman gives a shit about the team giving a crap? Why would he give a crap now, when the season is done and his job is, too? Trestman should’ve been giving a crap about his players giving a crap 6 games ago.

            Why would management care about players giving a crap at this point? If anything, they would WANT players to mail it in–reduces their chances of departing or demanding higher pay.

            There has been NO accountability on this team for most of the season. Why is there suddenly–with the season all but over–this apparition of “leadership” by benching your highly-paid starter?

            Fuck, if management was so done with Cutler, why wait? Cut him now. THAT would send a message.

          • John Doe

            They have until March 13, 2015 to cut Cutler.

          • Doc Hamstring

            But, according to you, management is done with Cutler and doesn’t give a shit about his guaranteed money hamstringing the team. So if they’re going to cut him after the season, why not cut him now?

          • Shady

            I see what you did there.

          • They can still try to trade him for SOMETHING.
            Maybe a honeybadger.

          • John Doe

            LOL! too much Cutty love. I see a lot of hurt in your future.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Stop projecting, Martha. I have said nowhere that I even LIKE Cutler. I’m pointing out that Cutler is more valuable to the franchise than Trestman. Or, conversely, cutting ties with Trestman hurts the franchise less (financially) than cutting Cutler.

          • John Doe

            Cutler ain’t valuable and Cutler ain’t worth a shit.

            They need Cutler gone for a fresh start. No coach will be ready to work with shitty Cutler after they have seen how this year went down.

            New coach will want his QB and not a one of the highest paid cry baby.

          • Doc Hamstring

            They can’t GET a fresh start with dead money counting against the cap. Who would they sign? Who would they draft?

            Are you saying that Trestman gets a pass?

            I’m not saying Cutler is valuable. I’m saying the Bears parting ways with him (unless it’s a trade, taking away his contract) would be MORE detrimental than simply being on the hook for the remaining years of Trestman’s contract.

          • John Doe

            You don’t know shit…

            New details leaked about Cutler contract that we did not know before.

            We knew $15.5 million for 2015 is guaranteed.

            We knew $10 million for 2016 becomes guaranteed on 3rd day of the 2015 league year i.e March 13, 2015.

            NFL Analyst and former GM Charley Casserly disclosed on NFL Network yesterday that Cutler’s contract has offset clause. So if Bears cut him before March 13, 2015, they will owe him $15.5 million. But if some other team signs him, and it is highly likely that he will get signed somewhere if Bears release him, then whatever salary the other team pays Cutler will be deducted from Bears $15.5 million guarantee.

            Now if Kyle Orton got $5.5 million last year. I can see Cutler getting $8 million – $9 milliion. So Bears will owe him $6 million – $7 million. That will be the price to get rid of Cutler if they cannot trade him.

            If the new coach absolutely wants to get rid of Cutler, it is not as impossible as it seemed a few days ago.

            Watch the video below where Charley Casserly explains this:

            http://sports.yahoo.com/video/

          • Doc Hamstring

            Are you stupid, or are you just an asshole?

            How much dead money will Trestman’s contract count against the Bears’ cap next year?

            $0

            When might Cutler get signed by another team? Let’s use Orton as an example, since you brought him up. When did Orton sign? Oh, that’s right, August.

            So the Bears have POTENTIALLY $15.5 million in dead money they can’t spend as late as August. Let’s subscribe to your ass-backwards logic–that a guy viewed as a lockerroom cancer and coach-killer, cut the year after he signed a big guaranteed contract, is going to get $9 million from some team. So sure, the Bears might end up on the hook for ONLY $6 million. But they won’t know this until/unless Cutler signs. And if he signs with a team late, who are the Bears going to be able to pick up, in August, with that $9.5 million they suddenly can spend?

            You can’t budget on what MIGHT happen. You have to budget on worst-case scenarios. And worst-case scenario is that Cutler, at age 30, is pissed at the Bears for giving up on him after the Trestman debacle, and decides to sit out the remainder of his contract, to royally fuck the Bears over as long as he can. Again, use Orton as an example: look what Orton did with Dallas this off-season. You think Cutler will be nice and sign a fat contact early in free agency. The Raiders have their “QB of the future,” so don’t count on them jumping.

            So the Bears MUST plan on having $15.5 million dead against the cap in 2015. If Cutler were to sign somewhere else, hooray. But you can’t count on that, no matter how rosey the picture COULD be, IF things work out right.

            Far better to trade him, in any case. You get rid of the contract and get something in return.

            I’d take RGIII in a heartbeat for Cutler. For starters, RGIII is on his rookie contract, and that frees up all that cap space…

  • Viva

    Mark Trestman should have been fired during the bye week. He is the poster child for flaccid men everywhere.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Maybe he’ll be in a bathtub in next season’s Cialis commercials.

      • BearDown100393

        He’ll pioneer a new market for vagisil.

    • Trestman benching Cutler.
      Revenge of the Nerds has gone Reality TV.

      • BearDown100393

        Anthony Edwards’ comeback trail begins.

  • Doc Hamstring

    Honestly, I think the only reason why Trestman has a job this week is because Kromer leaked and got caught. Otherwise, Trestman, DeCamillis, and Tucker would be gone and Kromer would get the rest of the season. But with Kromer bad-mouthing the “franchise” QB and getting caught, he’s not the guy Emery would want running the show, even for 2 weeks.

  • Doc Hamstring

    It’s sad, because I thought Trestman was good. This season has shown me that he is the worst Bears coach of the last 30 years.

    Worse than Wannstedt… that’s bad.

    • BillW

      A very intelligent nice guy who wants to respect everyone and give them the benefit of the doubt rarely make good leaders

      I happen to know that through personal experience. That’s why I knew trestman wouldn’t make it. He’s reminds me of me

    • BearDown100393

      He can do a reality show with Dick Jauron. The Boring Couple.

  • BillW

    Guys, anyone hear anything regarding Kristen’s take on all this?

    • BearDown100393

      She’s blaming the insulin injections.

  • Oh man. So much stupid here.
    1) Go to Fales, not Clausen. I imagine they’ll do that in week 17.
    2) Why bench Cutler? Far from worst performer. Why is Shea still getting thrown out there? Garza? Bushrod? Etc.
    3) What a maroon to not have the balls to announce it in your press conference this afternoon but leak it to the media instead.

    • beninnorcal

      As someone said below, this reeks of an offensive mutiny.

    • BillW

      You’re number three has me scratching my head too. I heard he told cutty in the morning. I wanted to check but thought trestman had a presser today

    • BearDown100393

      1) Fales – Yes. 2) Bench #6. 3) Moron no matter what at this point.

    • not to mention he’s throwing Clausen out there against the best D in the NFL. If he’s trying to show it’s Jay’s fault, wouldn’t he be better off playing Cutler against a great DET D and letting Clausen go against a solid but not great MIN D in week 17?

      • SC Dave

        Unless, of course, the offense has a great game against Detroit.

      • John Doe

        You are over-thinking this.

    • John Doe

      Once again, one of the main reasons Cutler is getting benched. The locker room, his buddies on offense don’t want him.

      Players on offense believe Clasuen will run the offense better
      http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000445303/Bears-believe-Clausen-will-light-it-up

      Jim Miller: Bears benching Cutler ‘should’ve happened a long time ago’
      http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/jim-miller-bears-benching-cutler-shouldve-happened-long-time-ago

      • Not buying it for one second. Unless I hear a player actually say it. Otherwise I think it’s being leaked by Trestman and/or Kromer’s camp.

        • John Doe

          LOL! Bennett called out Cutler after Saints game. Go watch his interview. he said they know who they are.

          • Doc Hamstring

            yes, and “they know who they are” obviously means Cutler and only Cutler.

            Because “they” = “Cutler and only Cutler”

        • Jeff Dickerson, a beat writer who would actually talk to the players directly, said this: “Conclusion: There is genuine disbelief inside Bears’ locker room that Cutler got benched & Aaron Kromer only received slap on the wrist.”

          • John Doe

            Read Jeff’s tweet on Saints game tape. Cutler missed at least 10 easy completions. He was doing his own thing as eff you to Kromer and Trestman.

            what is the point of playing him? Why are you so invested in him playing agian even when he played so poorly against the Saints?

          • BearDown100393

            Not mentioned in the report: Only Jay Cutler was in the locker room.

        • SC Dave

          For someone that likes to put it out there that he uses data, that statement is ridiculous.

          • is it? The local guy plugged in to the players reports something completely different. Chicago’s coaches have already shown the willingness to leak shit through the media to make themselves look better and try to scapegoat Cutler for this clusterfuck of a season.

        • BillW

          I didn’t buy what rap said either or at least thought it came from someone low down. He has sources. And now that kromer set the precedent it’s open season

          I predicted that a few days ago

          • BillW

            Meaning I didn’t think what turned out to be the kromer leak. Now that kromer outed himself with no consequence the players are talking big time

    • Big Mike

      It’s perfectly in character for Trestman.

  • GPLDAN

    Should somebody check the shower for Johnny?

  • BearDown100393

    The offense should vote for Jimmy Clausen to be a captain in Sunday’s game.

    • GPLDAN

      epic

  • Let me be clear: I am not saying Cutler has been great this year, or blameless, or anything like that.

    He’s part of the problem. But he’s far from the biggest part. This is a deliberate attempt by the coaches to scapegoat Cutler, just like Kromer’s comments 2 weeks ago to Rapaport.

    • Viva

      Damage control…pure and simple.

    • GPLDAN

      everyone is in CYA mode.

      Emery throws Trestman under the bus. Trestman throws Cutler. Cutler will throw Kristin. On it goes.

      • yeah, I wrote about this last week. This week has been even worse

      • BearDown100393

        This is all Grossman’s fault. If he was any good, the Bears win that SB and none of this occurs.

        • SC Dave

          lol. Love it. Didn’t someone say this season that “Jay is our quarterback”?

          • BearDown100393

            Also recall someone spouting off that Cutler would win the MVP.

      • Viva

        Fuck Trestman.

    • John Doe

      Cutler scapegoated himself. Who was stopping him from playing better?

    • SC Dave

      Cutler leads the NFL in turnovers. What more does a QB have to do to earn benching?

      • BillW

        I like the Dave toub meme better.

        You may curse me now

  • Viva

    409 …. we have given up 409 points this year, and the season is not over.
    To put this in perspective: we gave up 457 points in 2005 (202) and 2006 (255) combined.
    That’s how bad our D sucks. But I get it. For decades we have been tought to blame the QB. For decades the best QB in town was the 2nd stringer. It’s engrained in our souls to want to run QB’s out of town. For fuck’s sake, the last QB to take us to a SUPER BOWL was booed off the field his first time back in front of a home crowd during a preseason game Olin K had a bad fucking snap.
    If you want to win in this league the numbers in the first sentence is what needs to be fixed. If you want to run Cutler out of town, good luck finding a guy with half his talent. He was a punching bag from day one – in the media, and in the fucking pocket (he withstood 4 fucking years of pounding). He’s endured Ron Turner, Mike Martz, and Mike fucking Tice. Mark Trestman was too cute by half. And fuck BMarsh if indeed he is behind this (I blame this on the culture, hence Trestman, but doing a talk show mid week every week to ensure success after his playing days are over is not in the best interest of winning football games.

    • BearDown100393

      He has no heart.

      • Viva

        Totally disagree.

        • BearDown100393

          Fair enough. What do his teammates think? That is what really matters.

    • John Doe

      The Cutler experiment is over. We have seen everything we need to see from Jay Cutler in 5 fucking years. He was as pathetic when we had great defense as he is today when we have crappy defense.

      Let me take his talents some other goddamn place. May he win 10 Super Bowls there.

      He just needs to be run out of town.

      I can’t wait for the day he is officially gone.

      • Viva

        I hope your wait is about 4 years, and your mind changed in the process.

        • John Doe

          Today was the first step in running Cutler out of town.

          It is happening . It is underway.

          • Viva

            What is happening John, is that Mark Trestman, who SHOULD have pulled Cutler out of several games this year in an attempt to win ball games and reinforce a message that winning matters, is now doing damage control.

          • John Doe

            If Cutler deserved benching why does it matter when it happens or what the motive is?

            That is completely irrelevant if Cutler deserved benching this year from Week 9 onwards.

          • Doc Hamstring

            It matters because it SHOULD have happened earlier. And if it would’ve been DONE sooner, maybe the Bears wouldn’t be the shitshow they are. Maybe Cutler would’ve learned. Maybe–if Clausen and/or Fales got time under center–we’d see something worth keeping in one of those two.

            The timing is the most important thing! If the timing isn’t important, hell, leave Cutler in until the 2nd half of the Minnesota game, THEN bench him! LOOK! He’s been benched! IT DIDN’T NEED TO BE SOONER, BECAUSE IT DOESN’T MATTER WHEN IT HAPPENED!

          • Viva

            Roger that.

      • Doc Hamstring

        “He was as pathetic when we had a great defense as he is today when we have a crappy defense.”

        Do you mean when he had J’Marcus Webb and Frank Omiyale blocking? When his best receiver was (at best) a #3 on most other teams? When he had 3 offensive coordinators in 4 years?

        Chicago was a shitshow on offense for the first 3 years Cutler was here. A great defense doesn’t help a QB complete passes to WRs who are marginal ST players, nor does a great defense help a QB when his offensive line is putrid.

        I’m done with Cutler, too. I just don’t see how–short of a trade–getting rid of him helps the team.

        • BillW

          Not getting rid of him alone. Get rid of the whole intertwined mess. Emery trestman and cutler.

          And bring in Dave Toub

    • SC Dave

      Jay Cutler leads the NFL in turnovers. How is benching him controversial?

  • SC Dave

    Cutler leads the NFL in turnovers. How is it controversial that he is being benched?

    • BearDown100393

      Because in Romania, turnovers are celebrated.

    • John Doe

      Because..because ….Defense

    • Doc Hamstring

      It isn’t controversial THAT he’s being benched. It’s controversial WHEN he’s being benched.

      He’s been leading the NFL in turnovers for a while now. Wouldn’t it have made more sense to bench him earlier? Like, when it would have made a difference?

      • John Doe

        Better late than never.

        • Doc Hamstring

          You are a fucking moron.

          • BearDown100393

            Really?

          • Doc Hamstring

            Yeah. Dave says that the timing doesn’t matter. I point out that the timing does, in fact, matter. John Doe’s troll-y response is a lame “better late than never.”

            Moronic.

            Simply moronic.

          • John Doe

            Take it easy.

          • BerwynBomber

            You handled that well, JD. Personal shots on Internet reveal more about those making them than those receiving them.

          • Doc Hamstring

            *eye roll*

            Calling someone a “fucking moron” is a “personal shot”? You have very low standards over what is “personal.”

            See, to me, “personal” is taking something, you know, “personal,” like your receding hairline, your lisp, your slutty wife, your mongoloid kid, and making fun of you for that.

            Calling someone a fucking moron for saying something fucking moronic isn’t personal.

          • BerwynBomber

            We disagree. No big deal.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Of course it’s no big deal. It’s the fucking internet. We’re all anonymous handles (“John Doe” more than most) with silhouettes or funny pictures for faces.

            But you giving John Doe a pat on the back makes it more than “no big deal.” You’re saying I’m an asshole and he’s a good guy. Frankly, I might very well BE an asshole. But what matters less than HOW we’re saying it is WHAT we’re saying.

          • John Doe

            Thanks, Bomber. It is best not to get caught into personal shots vortex. Walking away is the best option.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Sure. Just stop saying stupid things. Stop citing “proof” that doesn’t support your contentions. Stop saying that I have a stance I absolutely do not.

            I’m not a Cutler fan. I want him gone. I think it’s cheaper and easier (and better) for the Bears to get rid of Trestman (first).

            We agree that the Bears need to change. Let’s stop arguing and just burn some tires.

          • BillW

            We have one of the most significant days or times in bear history going on. Let’s respect each other as fans

            The real morons are fighting it out up in Lake forest

          • John Doe

            I know your feelings are hurt today.

            As for me, I am quite happy about Bears today with Cutler benching and beginning of the process to run him out of town.

            I hope you cheer up.

          • Doc Hamstring

            You know jack shit, “John Doe.”

            You can make all sorts of assumptions and gloat all you want about Cutler–I’ll bet you dollars to donuts you’re wrong about him being “run out of town,” (i.e., released)–but you’re just plain wrong.

            Here, I’ll give you an example:

            John, I’m sorry Father Jay molested you when you were a boy. That must’ve really marked you, for life, with an animosity against anyone named Jay… as well as flamboyant priests who like to play “stinky pinky.” But you really MUST let go of your angst. Un-pucker your anus. Jay Cutler isn’t here to tickle your prostate. Let go of your fear. I hope you can relax and let go. Cheer up.

            See, I can be condescending, patronizing, and utterly wrong, too.

    • Shady

      Perhaps it’s because they just gave him a fuckload of straight cash homie.

  • Viva

    Mark Trestman is passive aggressive.
    Passive aggressives are pussies.
    Therfore, Mark Trestman is a pussy.
    My logic is undeniable. (I’m probably the only one here with a philosophy degree, so don’t fuck with me.)
    Also,
    Dave Toub for HC

    • GPLDAN

      Trestman checkmates Emery.

      If Trestman starts Fales and the kid lights it up, it helps Phil. This is payback. Start the amputee Clausen and hand the Lions the win. Fuck the Packers over. Don’t make Phil look good.

      • Doc Hamstring

        I think you’re on to something.

      • Viva

        I can’t see Trestman having an axe to grind with PE. PE is the guy who gave him a shot. Unfortunately, he shot himself in the foot.

        • BillW

          Emery essentially called out trestman Monday. Made him look real bad. Trestman may have felt betrayed

    • SC Dave

      Ha ha ha… okay, I just lied. One more time:

      Jay Cutler leads the NFL in turnovers. How is benching him controversial?

  • SC Dave

    Jay Cutler leads the NFL in turnovers. How is benching him controversial?

    (Sorry, just being like the Toub campaign for half an hour – I think I’m done now)

  • GPLDAN

    On Cutler. Could see Saints tape being last straw. He looked to be purposely ignoring the system, left about 10+ easy completions out there.

    I need to watch the All-22.

  • BillW

    For those getting back to ” the defense is the bigger problem” please consider this.

    What’s happening now has nothing to do with winning or losing. This is pure politics. It’s not about who gives the Bears the best chance of winning Sunday or even next year. This is a major in house upheaval playing out

    The best long term solution is blow it up and start over. If any talented players are in fact siding with playing Clausen then cutler should be gone too

    I know he’s the best qb we’ve had in years. But he’s part of the dysfunction.

    • BillW

      ALL of the dysfunction has to go. I still think George is fed up.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Very few QBs aren’t dysfunctional. Rodgers and McCarthy yelling at each other on the sideline. Tahmmy throwing hissies constantly. Pey-pey is a control freak. Even the best of the best are… idiosyncratic, at best.

      • BearDown100393

        Those quarterbacks win more games than Cutler.

        • Doc Hamstring

          That’s my point. Even the good ones are, charitably, “high maintenance.”

          • John Doe

            High maintenance stuff is earned.

            Highest paid cry baby like Cutler who do not have the performance on the field are not allowed to pull that kind of dysfunctional shit.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Ugh. You again.

            I’m not saying anything one way or the other about whether a guy is worth being “high maintenance.” I’m not saying what the bar is for what kind of stats or winning percentage is worth what level of crazy.

            I’m just saying that NFL QBs are, at best, high maintenance. The good ones are flakey, weird, control freaks, etc., just like many of the not-so-good ones.

            I would argue that NO QB should be allowed to pull any kind of dysfunctional shit–players at other positions would get their asses kicked (remember Cedric Benson?). But in the modern NFL, with the emphasis on the QB position, one’s skill ends up justifying a bunch of bad behavior. Cutler did the same shit that Brady or Rodgers does (e.g., calling out linemen when they fuck up), but when Brady or Rodgers does it, it’s called “leadership.” When Cutler did it, it’s called “immaturity.”

            I don’t think stats or skill should be justification for one guy doing something and getting a pass, and another guy being called dysfunctional.

      • BillW

        Well if it’s true that cutty is not running the offense in games like he does in practice (as stated somewhere in this remarkable maze of a thread) then he is a big part of the politics and upheaval playing out

    • BearDown100393

      Orton > Cutler. The job is more than just hurling a brick.

    • Shady

      “What’s happening now has nothing to do with winning or losing.”

      What’s happening now has EVERYTHING to do with winning or losing. If the Bears were WINNING like they were supposed to instead of LOSING in horrendous fashion we wouldn’t be talking about benching the QB the Bears just franchised.

      Now Halas Hall is in full CYA mode.

      • BillW

        Nothing to do with winning or losing now, given the state they are in

  • huntinbare

    Mel Tucker is enjoying all of this.

    • BearDown100393

      LOL, he is actually moving up on the team coaching depth chart.

      • Shady

        Mel Tucker should have been fired last year.

    • BillW

      Mel is simply a bad coach in a very normal way. Which looks great compared to this mess

      • BearDown100393

        If Mel plays his cards right, he might be the interim coach against the Vikings!

        • BillW

          And can put “undefeated” on his resume

  • SC Dave

    At least Cheesy will be disappointed. That’s worth something, right? Especially if it extends into next year and the Packers auto-wins over Cutler have to at least morph to something else.

    • Doc Hamstring

      He’ll be pissed that this is happening for the Deroit game. Cutler has beaten Detroit. Clausen hasn’t.

      • BillW

        Bigger picture. This is language, not win lose considerations

        • BillW

          Don’t think football. Think politics

  • Viva

    John –

    Pulling Jay out of the Miami game in week 6 or 7 because he is not executing makes a big fucking statement. It helps to instill discipline…creates a sense of urgency, and mental fortitude, and ensures every mother fucker on the team knows they will be held accountable (nobody is above the team).

    Instead this team had:

    No sense of urgency.
    No fucking discipline.
    Piss poor execution.
    No passion.
    Benching Cutler now is a cheap shot. It is damage control in its most vile form.
    Dave Toub for HC.

    • BerwynBomber

      I don’t understand this “damage control” claim. Trestman knows he is gone. This is about him going out on his own terms and potentially sticking it to PE (if others are reading the tea leaves correctly) while heading out the door.

      And honestly you sound personally upset by this. What would starting Jay Cutler the last two games gained? Personally, I think they should have benched him after the first half of NO (or even as you said, earlier in the season), but as JD said below, better late than never.

      • John Doe

        I too don’t get the “damage control” argument. Trestman has been damaged beyond belief. Two games are not going to re-establish his credibility. It is gone no matter what happens in these two games. No team will rush to give him a job on the basis of these two games.

        • BerwynBomber

          I guess I could get the “damage control” argument if you think Tresty is using these last two games to prove his system works (personally, I think Clausen will shit the bed too, especially against the Kittens’ D-line), but really? Who gives a fuck if Trestman gets a job elsewhere? And hell, what’s the shame of seeing what Clausen can do in the navy and burnt orange? Heck, I’d bench Forte too (though not for performance reasons) but just to see what Carey can do (and save what mileage is left on Forte’s odometer).

        • Doc Hamstring

          Lots of teams will give him a job on the basis of what he did with McCown last year. If lightning strikes twice with Clausen, Trestman is guaran-fucking-teed a QB coach job in the NFL. That’s what he’s trying to save.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t know. He can go back to the CFL w/out issue, but I think the dude’s a league-wide laughingstock. If Clausen performs well (and I ain’t holding my breath), it could provide his Bears experience a Cutler disclaimer, but even then teams will have serious doubts about hiring Trestman.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Why would he want to go back to the CFL? That’s exile. He did everything you could do with the CFL. Multiple Grey Cups. He wanted back in the NFL, and now he wants to save face.

            That’s my guess. I could be completely wrong. But that’s how this reads to me.

          • BerwynBomber

            I think it is a fair reading. But I also think two other elements are at play here. 1) Cutty has earned his benching. And 2) this could be an FU to PE as others have speculated. I found it funny that Cutty was not pulled even in blowouts after the Pats game and wondered if those directions came from higher up, mainly PE.

          • Doc Hamstring

            OK, if this benching was from Emery, for whatever reason, then that indicts Trestman even more. Because to Bench Cutler now, and not during those Pats/GB blowouts, is a “too little, too late” band-aid on a AAA.

            And if Emery was dictating in-game decisions to NOT bench Cutler during those games, then that says something very bad. On many levels.

            And this is why I think Rapoport is full of shit. He says that he was told that Cutler didn’t get pulled earlier because Trestman didn’t know if Clausen was ready… but NOW Trestman thinks Clausen is ready? Bullshit.

      • Viva

        Look…Trestman has failed as a HC. He knows this. If indeed this decision was his (most HC’s in the league have final say on who plays and who doesn’t) then why make this decision now? Why not make it when it could have had a greater impact on this season? Did Jay tell him to fuck off? (If so, good, bench him, I would fully support that…but as far as I can tell that didn’t happen.) So why now? The most likely reason is somewhere in the realm of self interest..and that does upset me. I wanted Trestman to be successful.

        • BerwynBomber

          Fair enough. But who knows? Maybe the NO game was the last straw for Trestman in terms of Cutty behind center. Let’s be honest, it was probably Cutty’s worst game of the season. Even his mostly horrid stats were deceiving in that the two TDs came in garbage time.

  • BillW

    An attempt at a last post for tonight

    I will be glad if cutler is gone only if Phil and Marc are too. The whole thing is a tangled dysfunctional mess and I see no way out short of getting rid of them all

    The events the past 10 days and those still evolving hopefully convince George of that

    Good night gentlemen

    BEAR DOWN!

  • SC Dave

    Doc’s the new Johnny, it seems.

    • BerwynBomber

      Although Waffle would NEVER claim he wanted Cutty gone.

    • Shady

      What? Not even close.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Uh, no. This is what I hate about internet “discussions,” and why I keep responding to “John Doe” in the first place. He mis-stated my stance, and then kept repeating it. And no matter how many times I say, “No, I’m ready to move on from Cutler” and how many times I say it, simply because I point out that it’s much less likely that the Bears would cut Cutler than fire Trestman, that gets interpreted (wrongly, duh) that I like Cutler. I love Cutler. I want to have measles-infected babies with Cutler. I want to smoke Cutler’s wang, etc.

  • BillW

    Need to get to bed but this is the most fun I’ve had on this board ever

    Three main characters. Phil Marc Jay. Who stays who goes?

    Marc? No way

    Phil signed Jay. So if Phil stays so does Jay

    Phil? He signed Marc and Jay so maybe not.
    Plus he threw Marc under the bus Monday in my opinion. The guy he hired. That’s dysfunction not leadership.

    Marc and Phil go and Jay stays? Wow! Think Jay is arrogant now??

    No. The clear logical solution is all three go.

    • Doc Hamstring

      This is what I’m curious about.

      Trestman benched Jay. MAYBE he did that on his own, but he MIGHT have done it on orders from Phil. But the only way Phil does it is if he knows there’s a do-able trade and he’s gotta keep Jay intact.

      More than likely, Trestman is doing something that Phil doesn’t want. Phil is tied to Jay the same way he’s tied to Trestman–he “hired” both (by extending Cutler’s contract)–but this is a sign that Trestman knows the pressure is on, and is scrambling. Phil must part ways with one or both of the others.

      How did Phil throw Trestman under the bus? Curious; I haven’t followed the news.

      I think if Phil goes, all bets are off with Jay. Whoever comes in is gonna clean house, and unless they love love love Cutler, he’ll be–at best–back-up. I don’t want Shanahan in town, so Cutler’s likely gone if Phil is.

      • BerwynBomber

        They might be able to trade Cutler. Certain teams might be interested: Rams, Bills, Texans, DC, AZ, Jets.

        A DC reporter or radio host said on Twitter that Snyder would be interested in a straight up Cutler/Cousins trade. If that’s true, the Bears should take it in a heartbeat if only to unburden themselves of Cutty’s contract.

        • Doc Hamstring

          Agreed. I think Cousins is a pile of shit. But getting rid of Cutler’s contract would be worth it.

          Really, Emery would come out of that smelling pretty good. Got a year out of Cutler with no lasting damage cap-wise? Even had he signed Cutler for a smaller contract (one that wouldn’t have prompted whining), there still would’ve been a hit for cutting Cutler. Getting rid of that contract would be great.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yep, agreed. Cousins could even be cut if we picked him up but considering we will be back in QB wilderness I would at least give him a look in camp.

            Anyway, who knows how real that report is. Then again, Snyder’s not exactly a genius of an owner. Maybe he will bite.

      • BillW

        Yep. This as I’ve been saying is not a football decision. It’s politics

        On Monday Phil gave a very long almost rambling response to joniak (I think) regarding the kromer situation. Can’t easily summarize it given its length but key point was emery said he was very angry when he learned kromer was the source

        Then it got fuzzy. Most articles I read interpreted him as saying he felt kromer should have been fired. Said “contractually” it was trestmans call

        Never said he agreed with trestman and implied he did not

        So we know that kromer got no consequence whatsoever from a situation emery was very angry about. And emery pointed out it was trestmans decision

        If he wanted to protect trestman he could have said we have a process for dealing with these things in house and the process was followed. Period

        Read the whole thing. Several writers including biggsy printed the whole thing

        • Doc Hamstring

          Interesting.

          There’s a difference between throwing someone under a bus and not pulling someone out from under the wheel, though.

          If I were Emery, I’d be pissed enough to chew nails about Kromer. It would take a better man than I (which, granted, is probably a lot of people, including some women) to give Trestman cover for Kromer’s fuckup.

          • John Doe

            Except he did. That whole Emery statement was mealy mouthed and full of weasel words. But in conclusion he did say this:

            “”So, although (I was) very upset about the negative fallout of Aaron’s actions, we’re all going to move forward and we support Marc in his decision.”

            So Emery did not throw Trestman under the bus. He hedged and hedged and hedged until he had all sides of the situation covered.

            Link below:

            http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-phil-emery-aaron-kromer-20141215-story.html

          • BerwynBomber

            I would also add that the whole “contractually” part sounded pretty weasel-like of PE. A) it didn’t ring true even in and of itself, and B) his tenure seemed to contradict such a structure if we are to believe he picked Tucker.

            I would say it was less a bus-tossing and more an obvious distancing himself from a drowning man (Tresty).

          • John Doe

            No, he did not completely distance from Trestman either.

            “”So, although (I was) very upset about the negative fallout of Aaron’s actions, we’re all going to move forward and we support Marc in his decision.”

    • BerwynBomber

      I thought for sure it was Marc gone, PE 50/50, Cutty definitely stays. Then I thought it was Tresty gone, PE 50/50 and Cutty 50/50. Now I’m not sure what to think other than the one constant: Trestman is gone.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Unless Clausen looks like McCown last year, and the offense rallies around him, thus proving Culter to be a hideous, pertussis-filled cancer cat and cause of all the Bears’ offensive woes, Trestman is gone. And even if this scenario happens, Tucker has to go–because the defense being horrid again is inexcusable.

        Tucker is absolutely gone. I will stake my car on this (note: it’s a shitty car).
        Trestman is 95% certain to be fired. I will put a steak dinner on this (note: it’s Outback).
        Cutler is 90% certain to stay. Because even if Emery gets canned, that dead money is a problem.
        Emery is 80% certain to stay. Only if the McCaskeys get completely fed up will Phil eat it. He gets a mulligan on his first coach, because they know how he was trying to keep Marinelli and that gymnastics cost him some other candidates.

        Yes, I think Cutler has a greater chance of staying than Emery. Because maybe they think Shanahan would make a good GM/Coach, and he’d think he could reclaim/redeem Cutler.

        • BerwynBomber

          I don’t even think that would save Trestman. Damage is done. At best, he can put a Cutler disclaimer on the Chicago-part of his resume. He can probably do that already but it will sell better if lightning strikes twice with another journeyman.

          But no Fing way the Bears can bring him back, regardless of Cutler.

          • Doc Hamstring

            I hope. I hope.

            5 weeks ago, I was in the “trust Trestman” crowd, hoping against hope that he could turn it around.

            Now, I hate the guy with a blinding passion. That’s what turning the Bears into a laughingstock does to me.

  • Shady

    New thread,

  • Enough is Enough

    Anyone remember “Rex is our quarterback”? Remember how that worked out? The bottom line is that Cutler can’t remember what he is supposed to do once he steps over the white line. He should take a page out of Grossman’s book and collect lots of money by standing on the sideline and vowing to do better next time.

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