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Position-by-Position at the Bye: Quarterback

| October 28th, 2014

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The following is part of a series of position-by-position breakdowns at the halftime point of the 2014 season.

JAY CUTLER

The most controversial, frustrating and enigmatic player on the Bears roster has been controversial, frustrating an enigmatic. If one just looked at his numbers, one would be impressed as Cutler is well on-pace to record the greatest quarterbacking season in the history of the organization. (On pace stats are silly but Cutler’s would be 67.2%-almost 4,200 yards-34 touchdowns-16 interceptions-95.8 rating.) But he’s turned the ball over far too much, especially losing fumbles with poor ball security, and his interceptions at the ends of the Buffalo and Carolina games were crippling.

Worst of all is Cutler seems lost in the offense. The constant stream of useless flat routes don’t play to his strengths. The quick-drop, quick-release approach that defined Marc Trestman’s Raiders unit under Rich Gannon have been replaced by the all-too-common Cutler stands in the pocket for a few moments and flings the ball into coverage. And how many times has Cutler sent a pass into a space, expecting a receiver to be there and been intercepted? If it were not for the reliability of Matt Forte one would not be remiss to wonder if this offense would score any points at all.

When an offense struggles, as the Bears have, they must rely on their quarterback to lead them back to normalcy. Running backs can’t do it. (Thomas Jones tried here in a Super Bowl.) Wide receivers certainly can’t do it. Olin Kreutz was reportedly a great leader and he led a terrible offense for a long, long period. You can criticize Aaron Rodgers all you want but his “relax” message resonated in the Packers locker room and they responded. Matthew Stafford’s injured Lions have been awful on offense but there he is, every fourth quarter, still fighting. Emery stated as his press conference that Cutler’s leadership has been “at a premium” through the team’s struggles. But is any of that leadership translating onto the field?

Grade: C+

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  • TheBigCheesy

    great idea for a bye week feature. looking forward to the rest.

    • Peanut FTW

      Agreed… ewww.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Felt gross, didn’t it.

    • Scott W.

      Soooo…I’m looking for a Packer fan that has been one since 1965 or earlier for next season. Celebrating 50 years of watching the rivalry myself, and thinking of going to the Lambeau game. Never been.
      You know where I can find a reasonable fan to sit and argue with next year Cheesy?

      • Scott W.

        God I’m gonna get hammered for this.

      • TheBigCheesy

        I’m from the east coast, I’m south of 30 years old, and I’m certainly not reasonable. I wish I could help you, but I don’t no many folks who fit that description

        • Scott W.

          Ok. Worth a shot.

      • Cormonster

        You should go to a game there. It’s a great stadium and atmosphere.

  • wreckinball

    He’s the worst QB in his division. I would certainly take Bridgewater or Stafford next week.

    I’d go D

    • Peanut FTW

      Well, actually not even close.
      Cutty is 13 in QBR, has 17 TDs to 8 picks and is completing over 67% of his passes.
      The lesbian is 23rd in QBR, only 11 TDs to 7 picks and barely completing 61% of his passes.
      And Bridgewater.. really? He is 31st in the league, competing with Geno Smith for the worst QB in football, has only 2 TDs to 5 INTs and is just at 60%
      Cutler is not making great choices but he is also being put in some pretty miserable situations. The entire offense needs to pull their collective head out of their ass, not just any one guy.

      You’d be better off just saying you’d give Cutler a D and leave it at that. To paraphrase an old saying, better to remain silent and be thought of as a moron than to type something and remove all doubt.

      • Cutler is definitely the 2nd best QB in the division for 3 years running now.
        But really the gulf between Rodgers and everyone else is so wide which is why GB keeps winning.

  • BerwynBomber

    Solid post. I’d give him a C but can’t argue with so slight a difference.

  • wreckinball

    In this game Im watching I would take him over McCoy

  • BillW

    C+ sounds right. Somewhat above average recognizing that the average NFL qb is not very good

    • BillW

      But it sounds like you don’t think cutler fits this offense. Which also sounds or feels right.

  • SC Dave

    I wont quibbble either, though i go to a regular C based on what i perceive as a shortage of leadership

  • LombardGerry

    C+ is about right. Last year was about a B-. There has been some regression for sure. I think more patience is required. To think that his various bad habits which have developed since he was a teenager can be coached out of him in just a season and a half is unreasonable. His current passer rating of 95.8 would be a career best. Although we all know its not as good as it looks this year another bump in that passer rating next season translates into him suddenly being worth that big contract after all

  • BerwynBomber

    Dallas is a mirage. They will probably limp into the playoffs and be one and done. Haslett completely outcoached Callahan.

    • The Foreskins blitz a lot, trying to contain Murray, daring Romo to throw.
      Romo, drilled to NOT go “Full-Romo”, became hesitant.
      The last play was brilliant by the DB. He faked a blitz. Backed out of it, and was waiting for Romo to throw it. Romo looked that way, but then had to eat a sack. Game. blouses.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, but Dallas never max-protected. That is coaching adjustment 101 stuff if your QB is getting annihilated by blitzes. Good for Washington but very poor coaching on D’s part.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          That’s false. The blitz is supposed to bring one more man than you can defend. So if Romo keeps 8 men in protection, Haslet brings 9 or brings 6 from one side or retreats and doesn’t blitz. Truth is Murray was terrible in pass protection and Romo was banking more on his elusive moves than the quick throwing solutions.

          • BerwynBomber

            Of course it is but you counter by max-protecting. I agree about Murray’s whiffs on a couple of occasions but it was obvious D should have gone to a two tight-end set. Look what we did against the Jets this year. Our pick-up made theirs look like a four-man rush.

  • If this doesn’t smoke out Waffle, nothing will.

    • Shady

      DON’T caaaaare.

  • I’d go with C-. Those “crippling” turnovers are major reasons we’re not 5-3 heading into GB with hope, not dread, and why half the blog has checked out.

  • Trac

    I just watched the Emery/Trestman presser. Young football team? These guys aren’t alarmed, they’ve justified their play due to inexperience? To me this is an indication that Tresty is blaming their woes on the defense because the offense is not a young squad by any means. Tucker is on the hot seat? Hmm.

    The only way to win games is to stick together? Yes, they feel the heat and it sounds to me like cracks in the locker room are starting appear. I wonder if there’s a rift forming between the O and D.

    To Jeffs peice? Meh. Tell us something we don’t know.

    • Peanut FTW

      Im not entirely sure the ONLY way to win games is to stick together. The 85 Bears O and D didn’t sing kumbaya as I recall. Which win was it where Long was screaming at the Defense to get him the ball back? Neither squad seems to play with any passion so maybe anger could be a substitute.
      But there is something bad … anger leads to hate, hate leads to …
      Sorry dunno what happened there.

      • Scott W.

        LMAO!!

  • Trac

    Fact, the Bears are two games out of the wild card race. Can a different team emerge from the Bye? Not based on what I’ve seen so far this season but it can be done. I’m thinking 10-6 may not be good enough due to tie breakers. The Cheese would have to implode and San Fran would need to lose 2 more than the Bears do the rest of the way. Tantalizing fact but the Bears are in this thing until they aren’t. Is there any way they can go 7-1 down the stretch? I see 3-5 the rest of the way. 6-10 for sure if they don’t start playing winning football.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Hehe light at the end of the tunnel? Yeah there is light alright but I’m afraid it’s a freight train full of coal about to smash the Bears into next seasons draft. If by some miracle the Bears get it together and make the wildcard, they are going to be embarrassed once again and eliminated. There is no way to win in the playoffs with the defense we have right now. I just can’t see it. Looking at the other teams that probably will be in the playoffs at this point, I can’t see the Bears winning. Hope they prove me wrong…but I’ve been saying that alot this season. 🙁

      • Peanut FTW

        The only good thing for the Bears right now is that outside of a very few teams, Broncos, Cards and a few others; noone knows who any of the other teams are. The Hawks have had some questionable games, the Saints have the same record as us but come in and blow the doors off against the fudge. It’s a crazy season.

  • Trac

    I just read where Tresty said “we’re 3-5 but Jays a 5-3 QB”. What a load of bull. Tresty missed a golden opportunity to say something like “we’re 3-5 and we paid Jay to be a 5-3 QB so we need to see some improvement”. Smh.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      it’s called ‘coach speak’. we all should be used to it we have been hearing it for years and years, ie. “Rex is our QB”, “Webb has the talent to play LT”. It is rare that you will ever hear a coach call out his players in the media. It is no use analyzing anything Tresty or Emery says or any other coach for that matter. This is something that is ingrained into a coaches psyche and it is almost impossible to change. Just look at Jon Gruden. He LOVES every player on the field and they are all great. He is paid to be an analyst and he has a very difficult time truly speaking his mind on players.

      • Scott W.

        Too, consider how many times we’ve heard press conferences supporting a coach or player, then seen those supported fired or released soon after.

    • Peanut FTW

      There is really no winning for them when you think about it. If they do the classic rah rah stuff, they get called a talking head or its coachspeak. If they speak the truth, they wind up on a commercial and out of a job.

    • CanadaBear

      Peanut FTW got it right. Nessman said Jay was a 3-5 QB. Good thing, too. None of us could have figured that out with the help of Nessman.

      • Scott W.

        Yes. Clarity was in short supply indeed…smh.

    • Scott W.

      Yes. What you said.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    I’ve been a big Cutler fan and have defended him in the past, perhaps not in this blog, but I have. I’m about done with him…not so much the fact that he’s a “bad” QB…because he’s not, he should be a superstar…but the drama…the ups and downs. It’s to a point now that I expect him to fuck up in some way to kill a drive or turn it over. I want nothing more than sucess for him but I’m about all out of hope when it comes to Cutty. C- would be my grade at this point heading for D+.

    • Peanut FTW

      I always liked Orton a lot. I came to terms with the trade when Marshall showed up. I don’t think Marshall comes here without Cutler being here. So when I consider them a package deal; we have the best QB-WR combo in the history of the franchise. I don’t know how you don’t make the trade all over again. To me it isn’t about liking another QB better, there are tons of other QBs I’d love to have.
      Outside of Luck and maybe Cam, I don’t think any draft picks since qualify as a huge upgrade and none of the other guys I’d rather have were ever available. If we hadn’t given Cutler the money, you honestly think the Jets, Bills, Jags, Vikings or four or five other teams wouldn’t have? It isn’t about comparing him to other great QBs, it’s about making do with the best available option, which to me Cutler is.
      I think he is having a great year. I think even in his Pro Bowl season he only threw 26 TDs. He is on pace to beat that. I guess if a guy is playing better than he has in his entire career and you aren’t happy with him, what are you expecting?

      • Bears-4-Ever

        I’m expecting consistency. I’m expecting a QB I can “trust” as a fan not to blow it. I’m expecting him to be another Drew Brees and the like. Is that too much to ask? He has the talent but seems to “lose it” at some point in most games especially when we’re behind. Is there better QBs out there? Yes. Any of them available? No.

        I do agree without Cutty here we would have never gotten BM here, that is a good point. It was a good thing.

        • Peanut FTW

          But that’s not who he is. He is a big armed gunslinger who has bad habits with regards to mechanics and a history of taking bad chances.
          Trestman has cleaned up some of the mechanics stuff, he reverts on some throws but much less this year and he has cleaned up some of the bad decisions. He can’t make him into a game managing calculating QB that dissects any Defense you give him. He will never be Brees, Brady or Manning.
          And just to be argumentative, he has been very consistent. 2 touchdowns, 1 pick and a fumble every game is pretty much a lock. 🙂

          • Bears-4-Ever

            touché.

        • IBNO

          “not to blow it.”

          Cutler’s interception to the DT blew the Buffalo game, I’ll give you that–never mind that the defense couldn’t stop EJ Fucking Manuel (who has since been benched for Neckbeard, no less).

          Cutler maybe kinda “blew” the Carolina game… except again, the defense couldn’t hold onto the lead.

          Cutler’s fumble in the New England game in no way “blew” the game. The game was blown long before then–again, by the defense not even getting the Patriots to kick a FG more than once (and not punting at all in the first half).

          You know when I expect Cutler to “blow” it? When he feels like he’s the guy who has to win the game. This is nothing new.

          When his team is playing well, by and large, Cutler doesn’t make many stupid mistakes. The offense is built to be good. The defense shouldn’t be lousy. Cutler isn’t the problem–if anything, his poor/inconsistent play is a symptom of the problem.

          • Peanut FTW

            Cutler helped blow the Carolina game for sure, his second pick was disgusting, but when you really look at the game play by play. We had the ball 24-24 and Matty coughs up a fumble that they go in and score on.

          • BillW

            Here’s the point – and maybe the problem. We have to (almost) expect the defense to “blow it”. That is, we can’t expect a stop on any given drive. That’s reality. They haven’t been fixed yet. The offense supposedly was.

      • Scott W.

        Serious question. Are we the only 2 on the board that liked Kyle over Jay when the trade happened?

        • CanadaBear

          Irish hated the trade.

          • BillW

            I liked it but I foolishly thought it was step one in building the offense. I didn’t realize he wasn’t going to upgrade the line or receivers but that he WAS going to get rid of the tight end. I really don’t want to remember those years.

          • Irish was also a very vocal advocate about keeping McCown and letting Cutler walk.

  • The thing that really pisses me off about Cutler this year is all the fumbles. 9 of them so far, though he’s only lost 4. Only.

    Otherwise he’s been pretty much exactly what I expected.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      The fumbles have gotten ridiculous this year. That’s the one category, statistically, that he blows at.
      “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”

      • Scott W.

        Oh, great close.

      • Just had a thought. I wonder who has had a better career to date: Vick, or Cutler?

        • CanadaBear

          If we include jail time, I’m going with Cutler.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Exquisite defensive play calling from Washington last night. I mean they couldn’t pressure the Cowboys without blitzing even if you insulted their mothers. So what does a real DC do ? He brings exotic simple blitzes. PS: Tucker is clueless in his blitzes. It’s embarrassing to say the least. Only non DL with a sack is McCellin (that one against the 49ers) and it wasn’t even a blitz. How pathetic is that ?

    • Peanut FTW

      I hate Tucker and I absolutely hate this Defense. So this should be taken with a grain of salt, but the revolving door at safety and linebacker coupled with having your top corner gone for the season tends to take away some blitz options that you may want to employ.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Actually, I think it should open up the number of blitzes you throw at an Offense…because 1-on-1, in a vanilla scheme, your guys are not going to beat their guys. You have to get crazy.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Don’t even get me started with the injuries and “the revolving door at safety and linebacker coupled with having your top corner gone for the season” of Washington.

        I don’t see it like you. I think you should have a strong blitzing game regardless and that much more when you lose important players. It’s like ‘do you prefer having Maryweather tackling Romo or covering Witten ? Well there you have it.

        • Peanut FTW

          I agree with you that we need to blitz more when the front four aren’t getting home. I am just pointing out that it is hard to design anything non vanilla for situations like Atlanta where you have 3 LBs starting their first game of the season.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Hey, if they’re just running into a gap, that should take even fewer IQ points than playing coverage. Let ’em loose.

    • Dallas has the Oline in football too.
      Tucker is just an idiot, though this came as no surprise to anyone.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        They aren’t the best. Easy with all that hype.
        The best Oline in football is the Bengals OL. The 49ers are at that level also. These have proven domination in their resume for more than 2 years now. Next are the Browns and maybe Denver. Dallas OL is on the rise.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          this coming from some one that claims the Jets are a well run organization… hmmm

  • CanadaBear

    When you pay $18 mil/yr you’d like to get more from that position. How is it that he can’t break the habit of trying to force the ball out of his hand when he’s wrapped up by the D. Go down you stupid fucker. The chances that something good comes out of those desperate antics are about zero. I’m sorry but anyone can break that habit with almost no difficulty.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I don’t understand the basis of Jeff’s grading. Are we using elite QB scale ? Because if we’re using Jay Cutler scale he’s at usual Jay Cutler level. A C+ means he’s been much worst than his normal self and that’s not true.

    PS: I’d start the grading with Management and Coaching. It starts there and engulfs everything. Better than that you should start with ownership. Those morons are the root of the problem and deserve a juicy D- and we should have the opportunity to bash them in their own topic.
    I think it’s very unhealthy focusing only on the players and maybe the coaches. Shit goes further than that and it’s where the true dysfunctionality resides.

    • I’m sure Jeff can go all Data and commence quoting QR, QBR, Aikman Efficiency, etc etc
      But he’d still arrive at the same grade. “C”
      To me, a QB on a “D” level is Geno Smith/Locker, borderline backups
      An “F” level would be guys who are now back-up/3rd stringers like Cousins/Schuab/Whitehurst

      Cutler definitely is better than the Geno Smiths and Whitehursts of the league.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        so it’s a ‘general’ scale, bot based on Cutler in the past.

  • Peanut FTW

    I went back and situationally looked at all of Jay’s picks. 2 have been essentially null and void type of plays. His first pick in Carolina was on 3rd and 12 from our side of the field and gave Carolina the ball at their own 8, effectively making it a good punt. The other meaningless INT was in the Pats game, last play of the half, down 38-7 hail mary that they get nothing out of.
    So that leaves 6 harmful INTs thrown this year. 3 of those 6 came on 3rd and short; 2 on 3rd and 1, 1 on 3rd and 2. Another came on 3rd and 4 which is closer to medium distance. We should be able to depend on picking up 3rd and 1 or 2 enough to keep the ball on the ground in those spots. Jay’s fumbles are hurting us worse than the picks.

    • BerwynBomber

      Seems you own a magical film of a play that did not occur against Carolina. His first pick against the Panthers was when he threw into triple coverage for BM and R. Harper picked it on the rebound. We were inside Carolina’s forty at the time (I want to say at the 32) so we were at least within range for Gould. It was not a deep ball as you suggest but an intermediate route over the middle. In fact, I’m not even sure it was third down.
      Agree about the Pats pick but it was kind of a wash in that a penalty erased an earlier pick in which Jay, yet again, threw into tight double coverage to the Black Uni.

      • you don’t happen to have a GIF of that play against CAR, do you?

        • BerwynBomber

          Nah, going strictly off memory but I remember it reasonably well. It was the one where the LB face-guarded BM, which could have been PI, but it was a horrible decision by Cutler nonetheless. There were three dudes in VERY close vicinity.

          • I know, it’s just his only INT this year I still need a GIF of.

          • BerwynBomber

            Google Cutler/R. Harper INT and it might pop up. Though I’m suspecting you have already done that. So yeah, sorry. Don’t have it.

          • yeah, I’ve had no luck there. Just for that one INT. so weird. Guess I’m gonna have to figure out how to make it myself off of Game Rewind

      • Peanut FTW

        When I read the play by play it doesn’t mention double coverage, I misread 41 (Harper’s number) as the yard line and it said deep middle for the pass. It was from the 31 on 3rd and 12. And they took over at the eight so it did take away a possible field goal attempt though with Robbie this season I dont think 48 is a gimme.

    • I’ve got a post coming up later this week or next week breaking down what went wrong on every INT. Some interesting results.

      • TheBigCheesy

        The defender caught the ball?

        • BerwynBomber

          Hey now. Even your guy looked mortal Sunday night and tossed a pair of them. One in the RZ no less. Ready to trade him yet?

        • Scott W.

          See my reply to you hours ago when you lauded the bye week articles.

  • BerwynBomber

    Btw, that pic looks like shell-shocked Jay. The first Kittens game from last year?

  • BerwynBomber

    The trading deadline in the NFL is always so fucking lame. I assume much of it comes down to the perceived inability for a player to learn a playbook so quickly but I wish they could inject some life into it.

    • Peanut FTW

      I don’t think it would be as valuable to add one player with 3 games left in the season anyway. In baseball you get 3 or 5 chances for that new player to make a difference in each round. Other than a late season injury to a #1 Wideout setting up a huge trade for someone like the Bears who are out of the hunt. Maybe it would but again most skill players that would make a huge impact would need to learn the playbook.

      • Getting a REAL NFL Safety wouldn’t hurt. We can probably get one for a later rounder too. At least it would give us more flexibility in the draft next year if a new S plays decently for us the remainder of the season.

        • CanadaBear

          But that low round draft pick is gold in PE’s hands. Look at all those great players he’s drafted in the lower rounds. Or not. Lots of regs have been chiding and riding me about hating on PE over the last couple of years. I think it was due to the fact we actually got an offense after all these years. Of course, I kept bringing up, at what cost?

          • His late rounders have been utter crap. Though I guess it’s better than the alternative, like Angelo.
            The Rams jumped on Barron anyways. Shit. If we could’ve got him for a 4rth/5th, I think that would have been worth the gamble.
            It’s not as if Conte or Mundy are the long term solutions, and who knows about Vereen.

    • BillW

      Emery was quoted as saying he had offers but declined. Wanted to give the team the best chance to win now.

      Assuming he’s not blowing smoke, I assume it was for draft choices. We’ll never know who but the answer I read didn’t sound real serious anyway.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “The quick-drop, quick-release approach that defined Marc Trestman’s Raiders unit under Rich Gannon have been replaced by the all-too-common Cutler stands in the pocket for a few moments and flings the ball into coverage”

    Yes. That is #1 on MY list.

    The time it takes for Cutler to pull the trigger is not where any of us expected it to be in year two of this system.

    A fact I find VERY concerning.

    • Peanut FTW

      The Defenses have adjusted to Trestmans routes and formations. There is a lot of tape on him now.This is causing it to take longer for the receivers to get open. It’s like dominoes… not the pizza.

      • BillW

        I still don’t get that. An NFL offense has a shelf life of about 16 games – then you have to replace it? And all teams do this but the Bears?

        • Peanut FTW

          I don’t think the whole offense needs to change just wrinkles. You run different routes out of your same formations. You shift your lone receiver inside the hash to open his route options as opposed to leaving him outside with 3 routes.
          I think you see a few teams with this issue.

          New Orleans is a good example of making adjustments. New Orleans was having issues generating Offensive numbers so they change some screen things meant for Sproles into runs with Ingram and use that success to set up the pass.

  • Sactowns#1

    I think I finally pinpointed whats wrong with Jay. He has late 80’s douche-itis. It happened to a lot of young, afluent white kids. You see they watched movies like Johhny Be Good, Ski School and Back to School. He loved them because he identified with one of the characters. He was the guy rooting for Johnny Lawrence to win that match and he felt really bad for Bill Paxton when he was turned into a toad. It just wasnt fair! The world owes Jay Cutler and he knows it. He’s the man that can do no wrong. What is personal responsibility when youre the only person that matters?

    • Peanut FTW

      I think he is too apathetic to be that egocentric. He just really could give a shit less what people think. You combine the apathy with being crazy rich and people instantly see smug and arrogant. But he would be the same way if he was the night manager at Target. It’s just who he is.

      • Sactowns#1

        Actually when you genuinely dont care youre able to chuckle and play along. When a child asks you a random question you laugh and give them an answer. You dont talk down to them and dismiss it all as a stupid waste of your time. I seriously wouldnt be surprised if Jay had a giant William Zabka fathead poster above his racecar bed.

        • Peanut FTW

          Jay would laugh and give an answer to a child, you do talk down to a person whom most of their job is asking good questions and they come up with a beauty like, “what happened on that interception Jay”; to that you give a stupid ass answer like the other team caught it.

    • Sactowns#1


      Jay Cutlers life story, had he gone into martial arts.

  • Butch’s Cutty Analogy
    It came to me late night, when I was reminiscing about the women I have been with. Taking stock, and perviewing the future. Then this little article popped on. And it clicked.

    Jay Santa Claus Cutler is that super hot chick, who one night calls to invite you to wine country. She has the hotels with the pool ready. She has wine tours mapped out. You go with her, have a blast, then have earth rattling sex that you will masturbate to on your death bed.
    Then, you call her the next week. Nothing. Text. Nothing.
    Then, one 3am nigh, she’ll call you crying from Vegas telling you what a selfish prick you are.
    Then the next week, she apologizes and says she didn’t take her pills, and if you want to go hang at the beach, then some pubs.
    You keep coming back cuz she’s smoking hot, and bones like a porn star.
    Even though that little voice in your head keeps refraining ‘crazy in the head…crazy in the bed…”
    This cycle repeats itself, you hoping it will cease, but somehow it never does, like a David Lynch hellish cycle.

    Well, you know what, eventually a person gets tired of that shit. Give me the cute girl who’s not on meds, and perhaps is not depraved in bed, one who maybe goes to church from time to time, and likes children, and cooks and doesn’t freak out if you wanna a beer or hang with your friend.

    Just a cute cool steady girl, not a smoking hot E-hollywood drama that drives you crazy from week to week.

    Fin.

    • BillW

      Another indication that I’m really old. I’d have been scared from a 3AM call, from Vegas no less, from a girl calling me a selfish prick for no reason. Then when I hear she didn’t take her pills I’d change my number and consider moving if she had my address

      In my mind, Jay is what he is – a coach killer. Very self assured – sees no reason to change – truly doesn’t care what people think and essentially looks down on people that care that he doesn’t care.

      And probably really doesn’t care if they win or lose. You’ll never hear him guarantee a victory; or playoffs; or any form of success. He just keeps playing the game he’s paid well to play – and does it his way.

      • BillW

        Think about it – and Sactowns#1 had it right – Jay loves a coach who doesn’t really hold him accountable. Jay knows Trestman tiptoes around him and probably detests him secretly for being so wimpy – but wouldn’t dare say it for fear they’d replace him.

        He made his money; he and his family are secure forever and I believe he truly is a father and husband except for the vaccine nonsense. I get no indication that winning matters to him. He simply doesn’t care.

        • Peanut FTW

          I don’t see it as winning doesn’t matter as much as football simply isn’t the be all end all to him. To him, it is a job; a way to earn a very good living and retire before 40. He wants to be successful and I think he wants to win but he also realizes that even when you lose a football game, your going home to your healthy happy family. So it matters, just not nearly as much as it matters to other people.

          • BillW

            Yeah – I think we both feel similar – maybe he wants to win but he’s OK with losing too. Not a bad outlook on life but if losing is OK it’s easy to fall in a rut and hard to climb out.

        • I wouldn’t say Jay doesn’t care. In that sense, I don’t think he’s Jeff George.
          I simply believe that Cutler relied on his athleticism so much, that he never learned the nuisances to become a great QB.
          Like: Looking off defenders, not staring down targets, throwing it away, recognizing situational football, going through his progressions quickly, holding the ball high/tight, setting his feet, pump faking, quick count, audibling to the right play, etc etc
          He began “learning” many of these things under Tresty, but that’s very late in his career, and when the shit hits the fan, or Jay pushes, he reverts back to his Farvre ways.

          • BillW

            And then again it’s likely none of us really has a clue want goes on in his mind.

    • Scott W.

      Did you just fantasize about asking Kyle Orton to marry you?

  • Those eyes…

  • Peanut FTW

    Larry Mayer actually made some good points in his lunch session.

    A.) “The Bears have allowed an AVERAGE of 37 points in four losses over the last five games.”
    B.) “The Bears have only generated one turnover in the last 3 games.”

    So, you could have Joe Montana, Jerry Rice and Walter Payton on offense and you are going to lose games until you can sew up that gushing jugular.

    • Joe Montana, RIce and Payton wouldn’t have 3andOuts at our rate.
      No one is saying our D doesn’t suck. But the offense was EXPECTED to score in the 30s.

      • Peanut FTW

        It wouldn’t matter, the score may be closer but if your D cant force a punt more than once a game, you are going to lose…. it’s very simple.

        The Packer game was the 1st game in NFL history with 0 punts. The first one ever! Averaging 37 points and only 1 turnover… that is horrendous. How do you manage to put up 30 points when you are down 38-7 by half and you can’t hope to stop any of their offensive possessions?

        • BillW

          Actually it was the second. And again – think it through. First 7 of the 38 came from the fumble. Next – if the offense put together a couple drives, then by using more of the clock they probably give up at least 7 less. Still unacceptable, but if we score 7 more it’s 24-14. We still lose – but we aren’t good enough to beat them or the Packers yet.

          But we’d certainly be 5-3 and maybe 6-2 with Montana, Rice, Payton and this defense.

          • Peanut FTW

            I disagree. As fast as our O could put up points this Sieve Defense would just allow them to score twice as fast. The only hope would be to score on every single possession and have the ball last. Then you could pull more out.

          • look at who’s played in the back 7 for Chicago the last few weeks. Seriously, look at the list (I have a post out about this tomorrow). What do you expect?

          • CanadaBear

            Fucking Emery. What a pitiful job of building a roster and coaching staff. Who knew a strength and conditioning coach would make a shitty GM?

          • Emery was a former scout too though Canada.
            That was supposed to be his “thing.”
            I’m still holding out hope for him. At least his early picks look solid (unlike Angelo):
            Long, Alshon, Fuller…

          • BillW

            I feel Emery has done as well in the draft as a “normal” GM; better than Angelo but probably worse than some others.

            Coaching selection – well no one needs to hear me repeat my opinion.

          • Scott W.

            Long, Alshon and Fuller were indeed good choices.
            My truck with him is Nessman, McClellin, and Carimi.
            Those are 3 big glaring errors.

          • I don’t think he’s been a shitty GM at all. Look at the team he inherited. The D was good but aging and had zero depth. So now everybody on the defense is either way over the hill or young and unproven.
            A few more years like the last 2 and the defense will have some of the young guys hit their primes along with better and more proven depth.
            Also: where does the strength/conditioning come from? He’s a classic scout.

          • CanadaBear

            He started out as a S&C coach. Just grinding on him. I don’t see the love for the guy. Terrible choice for HC when the obvious answer was staring right at him (Arians). The biggest question for 1st time HC’s, is the job too big for him. Arians proved it wasn’t before he was up for the job.. Also, yeah he’s made some good picks and some good signings but leaves massive holes on the roster. He should have anticipated either Briggs or Williams going down. Same with Peanut. If they stay healthy, great. If not, you’re covered. LB and DB depth is non-existent and they were both positions that were totally fucked last year. No thought about ST’s other than a new punter. Just take the back end of the roster and throw them out there. Who could predict that would fail? Almost everyone.

          • Scott W.

            Emery, like Nessman, outsmarts himself routinely with hires, draft picks, and FA’s.
            He has this problem of believing he’s finding diamonds in the rough, and thinks he’s clever. Then, worse, he can’t admit he’s wrong. See, McClellin, Shea.

          • BillW

            We don’t really disagree. I certainly;y agree we would have lost the GB and NE games.

            I’m simply saying that with Montana, Rice, and Payton (your scenario – not mine) we’d be 5-3 or 6-2 even with a lousy defense.

        • The Packers D was WORSE than ours in that game, esp early!
          I don’t think we punted in that game either, though part of that reason was the turnovers.

        • BillW

          Besides – there are no more spare parts to fix this defense. But we shouldn’t NEED to fix the offense.

    • BillW

      If we had Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Walter Payton – we’d get a lot more first downs. points, time of possession, force the other team out of their game plan and be more predictable, give up maybe 24-27 a game, and probably be 5-3 even with a bad defense.

      • BillW

        Sorry S,P,&C – I was posting at the same time making the same point.

    • yes and no.
      the D was HORRIBLE against GB and NE.
      But the O was directly responsible for 10 points against Miami (out of 27) and 17 against CAR (out of 31). Ok, 7 of them against CAR were due to ST, not O, but still. Hell, even 14 points by GB came due to the offense.
      But still, the point stands: the D was not terrible in 2 of those 4 losses. It wasn’t good against Miami, but it actually DID play well against CAR (handed the O 3 turnovers too).

  • Like I mentioned a few threads back, Bucs hosting a fire sale. Make it happen Emery (Barron)

    The Bucs will consider offers for RB Doug Martin and S Mark Barron ahead of Tuesday’s 4pm ET trade deadline.

    The Bucs are also getting calls on Vincent Jackson, but he’s highly unlikely to get moved. Martin, on the other hand, has been the subject of heavy rumors over the last week. He’s averaged just 3.36
    yards per carry over the last two seasons, has been brutal in pass protection and the Lovie Smith regime inherited him. Charles Sims (ankle) is expected to be active and have a role against the Browns
    Sunday whether Martin gets moved or not. Barron, the No. 7 overall pick in 2012, has three interceptions and one forced fumble in 37 career games while consistently grading out in the bottom third of PFF’s safety
    grades. – Rotoworld

    • Ah, fuck. The Rams got Barron.
      Be interested to see what they gave up. Probably a late conditional pick.
      It’s not everyday a No.7 overall safety gets traded for bacon bits.

      • CanadaBear

        If we would have traded for him you just know our crack defensive coaching staff would have him playing lights out in no time. Or not.

        • Yeah, I hear that, but gotta at least TRY to get a starting safety. He’s obviously got tools, or also he wouldn’t have gone that high in the draft, but yeah, with these defensive brain trusts, it probably would’nt matter much.

          • johnnywad

            There are guys littering the league that were drafted high and blow. Shit, there are Bears and ex Bears littering the league that were drafted high and blow. Barron is probably one of those types. PE needs to get us a Kyle Fuller type safety in the draft next year. And some some other stuff too…….

  • Jamie

    The sad reality is that because Cutler is such a talented player he’s inoculated Chicago to the other vital attributes needed to become an elite QB in the league. Competitiveness and leadership.

    Time and time again he’s shown that he is indifferent toward winning and extremely lacking in leadership.

    I fear it’s too late for him.

    He’s gonna get paid.

    He’s a lame-duck QB.

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