• First to appreciate Briggs’ emotional and fiery return. Also probably the only. Because, ya know, yeah.

    • Big Mike

      Fuck Briggs and his checked out ass.

  • NewBearInTown

    Repost (with changes):

    1) I’m in the minority. Everyone thinks Trestman is a good OC, bad HC. I disagree. Trestman is a good HC, bad OC. This offense is playing way below potential, the play calling is very weak, the execution is very weak. The OC is failing. Meanwhile, Trestman, a guy who knows how to coach a dynasty in the CFL, can’t get his players to care. Why? Because they know he’s not up to the challenge of being an OC in this league. Chip Kelly hit adversity, he adjusted, he’s still got a great offense. Trestman hit adversity and has not been able to adjust. I think Trestman struggles to find an OC job in the league. I think his ideal role is probably more like QB coach/ assistant HC.

    2) Cutler will start in 2015. To cut him this year leaves us with $38M in dead money. To cut him next year leaves $19M. Both of those numbers are unacceptable. Jay will have next season to prove himself or he will leave a ton of money on the table and the Bears will have almost no residual cap hit.

    3) I favor the following immediate moves. Fire Marc Trestman and Joe D. Make Paul Pasquolani your head coach (he’s a fiery character) and tell him give a lot of the young guys some reps on D. I am not as adamant on firing Tucker – I think the defensive problems are Trestman’s fault more than Tucker.

    4) Jared Allen will not be back next year, so don’t be afraid to bench him. But focus on guys like DJ Williams, Shea and Bostic in giving reps to the young guys. Reduce Brigg’s reps to maybe 40 a game. He starts, but he gets out of the way so we can find a replacement for next year. On offense we keep the line as is, we keep Jay, but we preserve Forte’s body and Marshall’s health by cutting down on their reps. Alshon and Bennett still get reps as they are the leaders for our younger players. We try to find a diamond in the bottom half of the roster. Santonio Holmes provides more veteran leadership and finally shows whether he’s worth keeping for next year.

    5) We go offensive minded HC again next year. If Paul P. shows something, he maybe stays on as DC.
    6) I don’t fire Emery. He picked a lousy coach. He picked a lousy first rounder his first time also. He learned, he adjusted, he drafted Kyle Long and Kyle Fuller after. As is common in the league, he’ll get a second chance to pick a coach.

  • Big Mike

    I’m sad. I don’t remember being this dejected about a Bears team. Sorting through knee jerk responses that don’t make sense (cut Cutler), and firing the Head Coach mid-season (why not). Feel bad for Trestman. Seems like a good guy. But the 2nd time around the league, his number is owned by every defensive coordinator we face.

  • Trac

    I disagree. At least poison kills rats, this team seems to breed them.

  • TheBigCheesy

    After further review…

    The Bears Suck Even Harder Than Previously Imagined.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Like circus elephants, this team needs a guy or two with large shovels following it around to cleanup after it.

  • Peanut FTW

    Really gonna be a tough season. I knew from the time we didn’t score on our opening possession that we would lose. This is the worst defense I have ever seen play. If I had any say Tucker would have been fired on the spot and told to find his own way back from GB. The season is now officially over, as soon as a decent defensive HC gets the can the Bears should hire them and install them immediately, 4 or 5 live scrimmage games that are meaningless to us anyway.
    Heartless, pathetic effort from the Defense and a plodding gutless performance from the O.

    • AlbertInTucson

      What do you mean “..gonna be…’?

      • Peanut FTW

        True… but mostly I mean Thanksgiving.
        A Lions fan is hosting Turkeyday so I will be at his house to watch the game as well… so there’s that.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, I didn’t watch any of the 2nd half but tuned into BEARS POSTGAME with Jiggs and Miller. What was really sad was Trestman’s post game presser. It took a lot of gall to stand there and say how great the team prepared all week but he didn’t understand why it it didn’t translate to the game. I didn’t stick around to for Cutler’s appearance.

    • BerwynBomber

      Cutler said the same thing: three or four fantastic days of practice. I sensed both guys were baffled.

      Kinda felt sorry for Trestman. He sounded nervous as hell. He knows it’s over.

      • Peanut FTW

        It isn’t entirely fair to Trestman either. He was saddled with Tucker, a 4-3 Defense and Cutler. No choices whatsoever on three huge pieces to a team. Cutler could work in some places, places that have a great D to cover up mistakes; we aren’t that place. Tucker could be successful at … pizza delivery.

        • BerwynBomber

          Oddly, I thought Tucker was having the “best” coaching season of among the major unit coaches and Trestman the first seven games of the season. Still, I’m trying to remember two things about the last two games — Brady and Rodgers — and keep an open mind about the last seven games of the season. Not so much because I expect any of them to return but more to judge the staff over the entire sixteen games however poor their grades.

  • AlbertInTucson

    First team in 90+ years to get 50 tatooed on them in consecutive games. Helluva set of bookends.

    That’s like hitting the iceberg, backing up and then ramming it again just to be sure.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Irrelevant before Veteran’s Day.

    Well, isn’t that SPECIAL.

    Two more national TV games on the horizon, too!

    • BerwynBomber

      In a morbid, potentially masochistic way I’m interested to see how this team plays down the stretch. Seemingly nothing to play for. Except their jobs.

      • Peanut FTW

        I don’t think Tucker especially can save his job at this point. The 133 points in 3 games stat is simply not going to fly in this city, period. The offense only has one viable out. That is with absolutely no defense, what should have been a 3-0 game when you get the ball the third time is 14-0 and what should be a 20-0 poor half is now 42-0. So, it is very difficult to form a game plan on O with absolutely zero defensive support.
        On D, at a bare minimum we should we evaluating for the future. Williams should be benched for Sharpton, he wont be here next year; the Shea experiment should be done, get Jones in there and lets see what he can do, Conte benched for Vereen. If you don’t see a definitive spot for someone next year then we should get a youngster in that spot.

        • BerwynBomber

          Oh, when I said “jobs”, I meant the players. I assume the coaches are done and will be swept out at season’s end.

        • Big Mike

          How about scoring on your first drive, so you are up 7-0. novel concept. Fuck cutler

          • Peanut FTW

            You would only be up until they get the ball. No offense (that isn’t playing our Defense) can score on every possession. If we had scored on our opening drive we would have been down 42-7 at half instead of 42-0. We can’t even look at any offensive stats with value due to the ineptitude of our D.
            It’s like trying to fill a water balloon with 3 big holes and people just say, we need to put more water in, turn up the faucet. How bout you fuckin patch the holes?

          • Big Mike

            This team was built to win scoring 24-30 pts per game. That’s the team they went into the season with. Can’t be expected to patch holes once the season starts. It is in fact the offense and Trestman’s game planning that have fucked this team. The defense has just made it historical.

  • Trac

    If I were GM, I’d start prioritizing early season trade bait for next year. Cutler needs to be at the top of the list. We need to unload his contract and rebuild.

    • BerwynBomber

      Stating the obvious, but it will be tough to unload. I assume the McCaskeys will have to eat a good chunk of it.

  • AlbertInTucson

    But WAIT! There’s MORE!

    Per The Dan Patrick Show’s STAT OF THE DAY the Bears have given up the most points over a 3 game stench, er, stretch, in NFL History!

    • Peanut FTW

      I wonder if you go back 5 to include the first fudgie bet down what place this joke is in.

    • Big Mike

      Most penalty yards for a Bears team since the 50s

    • huntinbare

      I read a funny comment elsewhere….i paraphrase…That stat is making George Halas do so many flips in his grave we need to tap his body and use it as an alternative energy source

  • Artoo

    Realistically, Trestman still has another year as a head coach. Tucker is on his way out. He’s let three teams score 50 points on him three times. Special teams is iffy.

    If Trestman doesn’t turn it around four games into next year, then we will see him leave and Cutler, depending on his numbers, we be cut or traded.

    Someone will want Cutler, it all depends on how desperate a team gets for a quarterback. Look at St.Louis, Jets, and Texans.

    I know everyone wants Trestman gone now but unless there is two or more games like this recent Packers game,it’s not happening.

    • Peanut FTW

      Arizona can now be added to that list, I know Arians wasn’t excited about him but really he is just as good as Palmer.

      • Artoo

        Well, the Palmer contract and injury makes that situation complicated.

        Unless Cutler takes a paycut, I don’t see Arizona paying that much money for two starting quarterbacks.

        • wreckinball

          Arians wouldn’t touch Cutler with a ten foot pole He ll stick with Stanton

          • Artoo

            He’ll stick with Stanton this year but a lot can change in one year.

          • BerwynBomber

            True but they won’t take on two huge salaries at QB unless the second guy is the future. Bears, IMV, will have to eat a lot of the Cutler salary to unload him.

        • IBNO

          No trades until after the season at this point. Trade deadline passed.

          Arizona won’t need to trade for Cutler then, anyway.

          • Artoo

            I’m talking about next year

          • IBNO

            Well, Cutler can’t take a pay cut if he’s traded. He’d have to restructure to spread out the hit. And he’d have to voluntarily do it. And he’d have to consign himself to being a back-up. He would do neither.

            Trading to Arizona won’t happen unless 1) Palmer’s knee injury is so catastrophic there’s doubt he can recover; 2) Stanton implodes; and 3) Arizona is good enough–excepting at QB–to make a deep playoff run.

          • wreckinball

            AZ won’t take him no one will this season and only a few would be interested in next year

  • Big Mike

    Going through the stages of grief. Now I’m angry. Fuck Cutler, Fuck Briggs, the alleged leaders of this team. Losers. I feel bad for Trestman, so he doesn’t get the F bomb, he just needs to go. I thought the Trestman book worm type coach might work. But nah. Chicago needs an “asshole” for a coach. Cowher, Harbaugh, etc.

  • huntinbare

    The brand new 2014 Bears jersey we all so proudly held in our grasp; gifted to us at the start of training camp was “something special”…my how it sparkled when we took it out of the box and dreamed about how terrifec it was gonna feel on our backs when we wore it during the playoff games. But after we put it on to admire it in the mirror, just before the last pre-season game we noticed a thread dangling from it in the center of our chest. We grasped the end of that thread and nervously gave it a quick sharp tug. How sad that the whole jersey began to unravel like a cheap imitation; exposing us to our naked core; and to our horrific amazement we collectively discovered we had an empty frame void of heart.

  • Viva

    HIRE SHANNY NOW. What’s the point, Jeff? Failure will not be tolerated: that is the point.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    The Bears have to draft their QB of the future this next draft. That’s the mentality they have to have.

    Every other decision follows that one.

    Talking about now, it’s time for Emery to cut heads. He has to regain control. I’d fire Tucker and cut Briggs and DJ Williams if I were him.

    Also extend Forte, Jeffery and resign De La Puente and Tillman.

  • Viva

    I want to be 10-6 on the year. Trestman will not get us there. Hire Shanny now, he can do no worse.

    • Viva

      What I want and what I think are two different things…

  • wreckinball

    Typical bear fashion will be to stay the course
    But they are vintage Lions Saints Yuckaneers bad

    You gotta have fun with it I think it’s paperbag time but always provide adequate access for beer

  • Big Mike

    Two tickets to the TB game for sale. Was planning on flying in. Fuck that

  • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

    Oh boy. I watched the game unfold and there are too many issues. It’s laughable to focus on Cutler at this point but i’ll let guys like Mike vent it out even while the overall team sets records for losses, points allowed, etc. The TEAM is brutal. Collinsworth was audibly baffled by the defense. Couldn’t stop talking about it. They couldn’t finish drives and were so far behind that even field goals were not possible which made it even worse to look at.
    This is not the year it turns out. The quarterback play, offensive execution, inability to get a fucking play called in the proper amount of time, the play selection, the Danny McCray effect, the PISS POOR effort by BENNETT dropping key first down conversion after conversion, the incredibly shitty blocking by Bennett, Forte and Bushrod resulting in multiple sacks and the complete travesty that is the defense is too much to overcome. This is just going to be one of those years.

    Another year of draft and some Free Agency can only help. Ouch.

    • Big Mike

      Cutler takes the heat, not because I’m a noob and blame the QB. But because of his lack of leadership. The Bears have invested in him and he has failed. Briggs takes the heat on Defense. But Tucker, must be a sorry ass coach, or we have some dumb ass players who can’t line up right. So yeah, fuck cutler, fuck briggs and fuck tucker.

      • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

        i hear you man, lot’s of guys on the team that seem to have accepted the fact that it’s not the year. I guarantee you that Jared Allen is not a Bear next year. Vereen, McCray, Hurst, Conte, Mundy may not see the field as starters ever again. It was that bad. Jennings played like a rookie. I could name 20 guys that played like they were throwing the game. it sucks. fuck.

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          on to the Hawks! i can’t fucking believe it!!

        • BerwynBomber

          I thought Allen’s money was guaranteed over two years?

          I’m willing to give Tiny Tim a mulligan but he does need watching as he is not exactly in the spring of youth himself.

        • TheBigCheesy

          Jared Allen is on the hook for 12.5 million next year. Fully guaranteed.

    • Trac

      I don’t blame Cutler or his skill set at all. I blame his contract and the degradation of this team since signing him. Somehow these idiots at Halas hall don’t know how to build a team around a decent QB. I propose going all in on defense with this franchise and hope we can draft a good/great QB at some point in time.

  • Big Mike

    BTW here is my prediction. Trestman, Tucker, everyone fired on Dec 29th. They won’t cut them mid-season. It’s going to get worse, because as little heart as this bag of shit team has shown, they will show less, playing for a lame duck.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Which in theory is a good thing. The Bears need a good draft position if they’re in position to draft their future franchise QB.

      That being said Tucker needs to go, pronto. You damage the young players by letting them being coached by such a bum.
      You need a new influence and a lot of snaps for Fuller, Veereen, Sutton, Ferguson, Bostic, Jones & Co. This new DC has to be aggressive in his play calling.

    • IBNO

      Depends. If Emery were to fire Tucker mid-season, that would send the message that Things Will Change, and maybe open the door a crack to Trestman coming back.

      I would say if NO ONE gets the axe before the end of the season, Trestman is gone. If Tucker gets sacrificed now, Trestman might survive.

      • Big Mike

        Good strategy. But not how the Bears work. It would be an interesting tell.

        • IBNO

          “Not how the Bears work” is exactly what I’m expecting now. The last 3 games have been “not how the Bears work.”

          I don’t expect the same-old, same-old now. I think the organization MUST do something different.

          My bet is that they’ll do something different enough to satisfy critics, but keep things largely intact.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I suspect Emery will have a presser today or tomorrow.

    As Jeff would say it: It’s the most important presser for the Bears in years. Huge moment.

    • Big Mike

      Not a big deal at all in terms of Bears history. This team needs to be ignored.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        The presser isn’t important for the fans, but for the players and the franchise in general.

        He needs to change the culture of the franchise and his own style. The Bears see accountability and meritocracy as a foreign concept.

        • BillW

          My guess is there will be no presser. Emery has a radio show I think and he will talk about how disappointed he is etc. That’s it. He will bank on them beating the Vikes to calm things down. Which I suspect they will. Not that it solves anything.

  • wreckinball

    The Jets beat the Steelers somehow Trestman should call Rex and figure out how he motivated his team
    Yes I know about the 4 turnovers but they definitely came to play at 1-8

    Also having Vick on the bench didn’t hurt
    Jimmy Clausen are you fucking serious

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The Jets always play hard. Because of Ryan.

  • huntinbare

    Having the stat exposed to the world regarding the number of players on our roster that have come frok other teams around the league gives one reason to ponder this…..
    This fact is a fitting explanation for why it seems that the 2 games that should have brought the most passionate of play from our squad; only produced meek efforts that had no fire. These players have no connection to our tradition and maybe that is where the poisoning lies.

  • BillW

    Therapeutic to read these posts but I may need to take a break from the board for a while. There’s only so many time one can type the same thing game after game.

    Emery took a huge risk in making an unorthodox coaching selection and tying that coach to a QB who really showed no tangible signs of being a top performer. He could have gone a very different route with Arians (perhaps) and franchising Cutler. He went all in instead and it now has blown up in his face.

    The Bears are historically bad. Even the 1-13 team was better in some phases than the bears are now. Trestman’s team continues to set remarkable negative records. If he stays past this year he will go down as their worst coach ever. Wanny looks good compared to him.

    How can he say they had a great bye week and preparation? What would the result be if they didn’t? Here’s where it shows he is over his head – if what he is doing LOOKS good to him, I’m not sure he knows what to do to prepare the team.

    The fans need a bone thrown to them. But the brain trust won’t do it. They have 5 home games left. The holiday season is approaching along with potentially below average temperatures. Empty seats and/or a large contingent of fans of the road team will not sit well with the McCaskeys.

    The fans need to see action, not hear bewilderment. I think it’s time for Tucker to go. What’s the harm? They can’t possible be worse off without him. The Packers could have scored 80 if they wanted to. These days teams let up after getting in the 50s. Literally speaking, the defense could coach themselves and do no worse on the scoreboard.

    But we all know the real problem. The McCaskeys are not football people. And they put a non-football person in charge. It really is no wonder they can’t succeed.

    • Big Mike

      Who from TB would buy a ticket to a game in Chicago. Hottest Bears ticket will be the Lions home game. It will be all silver and blue. So fuck McCaskey too.

      I’m still in on Emery.

      • BillW

        I think we’re going to end up eating most of the rest of the year’s tickets. Why spend the time and money on parking and concessions? The prices will be very low on the exchanges – probably half prices due to supply and demand.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The only one that can save this situation and get the Bears to really be a winning club is Emery. So he needs total power> he also needs some guidance, because he has to change his style. He almost seems friends with players and personnel. He has to become their feared enemy.

  • wreckinball

    Don’t under estimate the paper bags wear them

    • BillW

      I hope that happens. Seriously – the only thing the McCaskeys react to is embarrassment.

  • IBNO

    So here’s my quick, painless take (the novocain has kicked in): that was the Bears with their backs to the wall, with 10 days of preparation. Performing worse than they did the last time against the Packers.

    I was a Trestman believer/defender before, but no more. It’s gonna suck to go through yet another new offensive scheme and rebuilding, and who knows if Cutler can ever live up to his hype (but the Bears are stuck with him), but it’s obvious that the coaching staff needs to be replaced.

    The question is, can Rex Ryan find a good OC to bring with him?

    • BillW

      The next coach is stuck with Cutler. Which will severely limit the list of desirable candidates.

      • IBNO

        That’s why I’m guessing Rex or another defensive candidate would be HC. Rebuilding the defense will be a multi-year project, and whoever the OC is, they tread water with Cutler while trying to find a good successor.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        The next coach is stuck with Cutler in theory. The Bears can also draft their future franchise QB next draft and trade Cutler mid season next year or cut him straight up.

        The Bears are stuck with Cutler, but that doesn’t mean their stuck ‘per se’. They could cut Cutler today and things would be okay.

        • Big Mike

          Can’t compete effectively with all that dead QB money.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            A rookie QB makes little money. Yeah…. the dead money would be a ton, but you’ll have the same cap charge on the QB position as this year.

          • Big Mike

            But it is a huge distraction. Rookie QBs are a pain in the ass

  • CanadaBear

    But, but, but we had 3 great practices. Can’t figure out what went wrong. News flash you stupid fuckers, you were practicing against the worst team you’ll see all year. Of course, it looked good.

    • Big Mike

      I coached a youth team that went 5-3 lost in the first round of our county playoffs. We looked great practicing on air. All the plays worked. When we scrimmaged, everything looked good.

      • BillW

        Reason enough to fire Trestman. He is all but saying out loud “I have no idea how to prepare an NFL team for a game.”

        • IBNO

          This is what I don’t get. He certainly prepared them for the 49ers.

          • BillW

            That game does stand out since it was a comeback. As BMarsh said – they now have no confidence. They did then, but it was only the second game of the year.

  • IBNO

    One more bleak bit: Peanut won’t be back, now. Why would he want to come back to this team, and if the organization (rightly) looks to re-build next year, they won’t want an old corner on his last legs.

    Turn it around: who do I want to keep? It’ll be interesting to see how Marshall reacts to this. I don’t expect he’ll be happy next year. So, Alshon, Long, Slauson, De La Puente, Forte, Bennett. That’s it on O. Defense? Fuller. Young. Ego & Sutton. Ratliff. All the rest can go. Except maybe Jones and Sharpton.

    That’s a lot of rebuilding.

    • BerwynBomber

      I’d add Jennings as a keeper. He had a bad game, but by and large his coverage has been competent this year.

    • BillW

      You’re ignoring the contracts. They can’t cut all the FAs they signed without filling the roster with league minimums. But you know obviously that can’t be worse. It would be great to see them send that message- but Emery would look like a fool.

      • IBNO

        Yeah, I’m ignoring the contracts. I’m looking at the guys I WANT to keep for the team, guys that will be the core of the team moving on.

        Short-term FAs are short-term FAs. Let’s not look to DJ Williams for leadership. He’s a replaceable part.

    • Big Mike

      He’s made out of peanut brittle now. Where ever he goes, he’ll get hurt by week 4.

    • Bender McLugh

      BMarsh gone from Chicago next year? Nope, disagree.

  • BillW

    The defense is historically horrible. But we aren’t stuck with it. Tucker can be fired; we can somehow get a decent safety next year; bench the underperforming FAs like Allen to see if he cares etc. Improvement there is very possible though difficult.

    But we are stuck with Cutler for two more years. Yes, I agreed with the signing at the time. I was incredibly wrong. The guy is a turnover machine. I really thought he’d lose that but he simply can’t.

    I don’t want to hear any specifics (oh, that one was tipped and that one was a wrong route). He averages nearly 2 per game. That’s not bad luck. That’s bad QB play.

    After all these years in the league Emery thought he had the answer to Cutler in Trestman. So good for him for trying. He now knows there is no answer to Cutler. He is a serial coach killer.

    • wreckinball

      It happens a lot folks thought Jeff George just needed the right coach and OC turns out he was the problem

      • IBNO

        I still don’t think Cutler is the issue. This defense is historically bad. Not even the offense performing as we all think it could/should could save the team.

        Sure, the offense is under-performing. But I don’t think Cutler’s play is the (only) culprit.

        • wreckinball

          He’s not the only issue but he is an issue

        • Big Mike

          I have to disagree. But first I have to share that I am not a Cutler basher. In fact, some would label me an apologist. Bad line, no talent, bad OCs, new system every year and so on. All of that has been taken care of, and he still is a meat head. His superb talent, combined with his poor decision making making him a good QB. His attitude and poor leadership skills making him an average guy who is just a QB in the NFL. His track record says he has lost everywhere he has played. A guy like Kyle Orton would give a nut for Cutler’s physical skills. @IBNO, I think you are just hanging on to the life raft we’ve all been on, thinking Cutler was the answer.

          • IBNO

            No, I don’t think Cutler is/was the answer. I just don’t think he’s a train wreck.

            First half last night, the only horrible thing I saw was the INT, and even that wasn’t horridly horrible–looked like the ball got tipped, and it wasn’t a great throw to begin with. Aside from the INT, Cutler didn’t do anything horrifically bad. He wasn’t “Bad Jay” or “Bad Rex.”

            Yes, he SHOULD be excelling. But he is statistically speaking having an OK NFL year. He’s not horrid. He’s not Andy Dalton. Last night, as bad as the offense was, I cannot lay it all on Cutler being bad.

            I don’t think he’s the savior. I don’t think he’s the devil. He’s just… not the guy.

          • Trac

            I have problems with Cutlers contract more that Cutty himself. He’s subverted the progress of this ball club because of all the auxiliary issues surrounding him. I propose trading him to Buffalo for Kyle Orton on a even Steven trade next spring.

          • Big Mike

            He’s just a guy. That’s my point. Jay is our QB. But it’s time to build a team that can win. Not just build a team around Cutler.

      • IBNO

        Look, I have a bit of a personal bias about this, too. I played on the team after George left it, and knew guys who played on the team he went to. He was, without exception, reviled and hated by everyone. No one had anything redeeming to say about him other than he had a big arm.

        Cutler may be a dick, but he’s not Jeff George. Maybe people say the same thing about them–that George “needed the right coach” and so does Cutler–but it does not make them the same guy.

        Honestly, does anything think that Cutler would not SHINE if he was in Green Bay, with a good organization, scheme, and personnel that matched his talents? Conversely, would Aaron Rodgers be the same player if he was a Bear? There’s something missing more than the player. There’s something just… not right. When Lovie was in charge, it was obvious, because Lovie was so clueless about offense and OCs. Now, I don’t know. But I DO know that on 3rd and 11 the Bears throw a screen and it dies. The Packers do it and it goes for a 1st down (or more). The QB has next to nothing to do with the success of a screen pass.

        • wreckinball

          Respect your opinion about george and cutlers personalities but their physical talent and lack of success are pretty similar

        • BillW

          Interesting stuff. Frankly I don’t imagine Cutler doing well anywhere (now). Maybe 5 years ago he could have lost his bad habits. He just doesn’t seem to care enough. He’s not engaged like Rodgers is. I think that comes from within, not coaching- in my limited knowledge as a fan.

        • BerwynBomber

          Rodgers and Cutler are not close as NFL players. I get your point about front office, coaching staffs, etc., but there is canyon-like gap between the two QBs regardless of the teams they play on. And it is not like Cutler is bereft of offensive weapons.

  • CanadaBear

    There’s no way any team trades for Cutler. Why would they? He’s damaged goods. We’re stuck with him for 2 more years. NBIT says we’re cutting Allen at year’s end but that would stick us with a huge cap hit. Might still happen but I doubt it. PE will fire Tucker, The Camel and a few other coaches. They will be replaced by guys with no experience. Anybody with experience isn’t going to throw in with Nessman. Nessman will be fired the following year. PE will hire another stooge, draft a few good players, draft a bunch of stiffs, leave massive holes on the roster and in another 5 years he’ll be fired. WHEEEEEEEEEE!

    • BillW

      It’s not hard to see how things play out once you see the pattern.

    • wreckinball

      No one wants Cutler really no one

  • WP4Life

    Owners are OK with mediocre, small things will happen to get the bears back to that level. Fire tucker end of season, etc…

    It appears that a coach can make a difference , Detroit has been accumulating talent, and now Caulden is putting it all together.

    I think what’s frustrating for fans is the lack of discipline, smarts, and Heart- the shit themselves when faced with advesirty/ being challenged since the ad game.

  • BillW

    Interesting question posed by some columnist (and maybe a hack – but still interesting). Did Trestman lose respect after kicking on 2nd down last year? They have sure been horrible since then.

    • IBNO

      No, that’s been over-analyzed.

    • IBNO

      SF won against NO by kicking on 1st down. No one says boo about it, because it went through and SF won.

      • BillW

        I need to look at the distance of both kicks to see if the comparison is fair. Teams do kick on 1st down when they feel it’s automatic. The 2nd down kick was far from automatic.

      • BillW

        The kick yesterday was 35 yards. The 2nd down miss was from 47 yards. HUGE DIFFERENCE! (Vikes won the game on a 34 yard FG.)

        I don’t have time to look this up, but I seem to remember Brad Biggs writing that no one in the history of the NFL ever kicked on a down less than 4th from that distance except with time running out. Maybe it was never from that distance on a down less than 3rd.

        Another dubious record by the QB whisperer.

        The article I read (again, maybe by a hack) said he saw a player in the locker room shaking his head and saying to no one “SECOND down?”

  • IBNO

    The more I think about it, the more I fear Phil Emery will come out of this game breathing fire and axe Tucker.

    That sacrificial goat gives Trestman cover for the rest of this season.

    Trestman hired Tucker. Maybe because there were constraints on other guys he could hire, but still… I think if Tucker goes now, that’s an indirect reassurance to Trestman as HC.

    And at this point, even I want Trestman gone.

  • wreckinball

    They won’t fire anybody Look forward to another great week of practice and then a mauling by Teddy and the Vikes

  • Jack Lacan

    Just some words today —
    Fire
    Sacked
    Shitcan
    Let go
    Get rid
    downsize
    release
    clean house
    back up truck
    restructure
    cut

    • wreckinball

      Paper bags!

      • BillW

        Soldier Field is a no fly zone so that rules out Fire Trestman banners.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Cutler’s Cap Charge this year = Cutler’s cap charge next year + the Cap Charge of a 1st round QB.

    Saying the Bears HAVE to go along with Cutler is false.

    • BillW

      He has zero trade value with that contract. That’s absolutely not going to happen in the offseason. Not to mention he’s a coach killer.

      The best route is draft a QB and let him sit for the next two years. That’s actually a good solution. Let him learn how NOT to play – like Rodgers learned how horrible INTs were from Favre.

      • wreckinball

        Agree but Cutler won’t learn he ll be the best backup in the league though

      • Peanut FTW

        Wait til Shanny takes over one of the 4 win teams, then trade him and Marshall together to that team for a second round pick and new golf bag.

    • BerwynBomber

      To a degree the whole argument of sticking with Cutler is similar to the mindset of why McClellin sees so much playing time; namely, the club’s investment and inability to admit mistakes. Although McClellin will probably never be Cutler’s standard as an NFL player, which is to say average, hence the “to a degree”.

  • Peanut FTW

    Remember when we were all worried about getting the longsnapper right?

  • Peanut FTW

    Silver lining, I think Ill easily be able to afford a trip to Minnesota to watch them play that game, the tickets should be reasonable, maybe even free.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      Don’t do it.

    • Big Mike

      Vikings will have more to play for.

  • Peanut FTW

    Ditka got asked on the Suntimes about if Trestman has lost this team, here is his response:

    “No. That’s a lot of bull—-! Players play, coaches coach. They’re not playing very good right now. Take a look at their defense. It’s really not hard to figure this out, guys. You can blame anyone you want. You can blame me if you want. But the defense is not playing well. They’re forcing the offense to do too much. So, I think all this talk is a lot of bull—-! You can run all those words, too.”

    That was made prior to the D allowing 42 points in the first half last night. This O is not performing, no doubt. But this Defense is downright embarrassing.

    • Decatur Fan

      I have to agree. This is all on the D. I don’t care who is your QB, coach, etc. If your defense lets opponents score at will you can’t win games. Teams dont even have to punt. Heck they barely have to throw the ball against the Bears D. Only enough to get a good 3 TD cushion in the first quarter then their run game can put up another 21 points. It is one of the historically worst defenses in NFL history.

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    It’s frustrating being fans because there’s nothing we can do about it. Oh wait. There is.

    I’m calling on every bears fan to quit reading about the bears, quit going to games, quit watching games, quit blogging, and quit listening to sports talk radio. If Soldier Field is a ghost town for the remainder of the season, only then will the brass get the message. Don’t show up and boo. Just don’t show up.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      In fact. For those of you who have already purchased tickets, let’s start a game day tradition of starting a burn pile in front of Soldier Field or Halas Hall where fans can come and burn their tickets.

    • GPLDAN

      Doc –

      5 of the next 6 games are at home.

      The McCaskeys don’t want to win a championship. I never believed they did. They just don’t like football that much. But they don’t want to be reviled. They don’t want the Bears and home games to become a cathedral of hate.

      So I say: Go to all the home games with paper bags over your head. It really did work wonders for the creamscile Bucs in the John Anderson days. Lions fans did it and it made the Ford family start taking away paper bags at Pontiac Silverdome.

      Everybody dress as the unknown comic. It will HUMILIATE the McCaskey family if that happened en masse. If it got national media play about the “Bad News Bears”

      It will force season tickets downward (they’ve gone up year over year for every year in the last 10), it will hurt skybox sales, it will hurt if this city really starts to LAUGH at this team and these owners. Esp. at the national media level.

      So don’t quit on them. Mock them.

      • TheBigCheesy

        So, you’re suggesting everyone troll the Bears? I feel like I can be of assistance…

        • GPLDAN

          Make a meme of Rodgers laughing on the sideline last night. You can do that.

          Everything else requires you be a Bear fan. Which you are not.

    • BillW

      It’s hard when you love football. Season tickets in my family and already it’s killing us to decide to simply not go. I like watching football games in person. My boys do to. It’s often a good bonding time for us when we go together.

      I f’ing HATE the f’ing Bears for making us NOT want to do that!

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        There are other ways to bond. What your describing is exactly why things will never change. The NFL and the owners know we’re addicted. I can’t think of a better way to describe it.

  • GPLDAN

    Rich Gannon crucified Cutler on Mully today. Said his footwork is so bad, so incredibly awful, it insinuates he has zero faith in his OL again and is back to playing scared the way he played under Martz when he had longer drops. He’s off balance, he has happy feet, he’s not stepping into the pocket. His body language is back to bad Jay.

    Thayer said the fact that Ola and Bushrod never went into 3-point stances was pathetic. Just pathetic and he was furious about calling run plays to the side where the two lineman didn’t have their hand down – said that was high school coaching stuff.

    • Sactowns#1

      Yet they praise Brees for constantly moving his feet and “staying elusive”

    • AlbertInTucson

      Jim Miller basically put the offensive issues all on Cutler last night on Bears Post Game.

      • BerwynBomber

        Caught that. He was hot. The Score was playing sound clips of it earlier.

    • huntinbare

      I loved the point about having your hand down on the ground to gain the leverage and drive the defender into an unbalanced position so they attempt to tackle from a position of instability….only Long was seen in the 3 pt. consistently….i belive he credited DeLaPuente as using it akso when he came in.

  • GPLDAN

    If the Bears hated fans booing them before, wait til they hear Soldier Field for the next 4 weeks if they lay down and die like that again.

    • huntinbare

      I believe the open display of pent up anger will be a good antidote for the poison the blogfather defined. I hope some generous soul purchases 50 thousand paper bags and distributes them liberaly before the stadium gates for the remainder of this failed campaign..
      The players that decided to show up in a Bears uniform; to not show up in the games, need to be shown up by the fans who should bring their outrage with PASSION….Do not let these jmokes destroy the proud reputation of this storied franchise without proper recompense….they should be mocked with all the passion from the fans all game long this sunday….every play and during halftime just to remind them to bring your best and bring it every play for four qtrs…..cuase if you do not….then FEEL OUR BITTER FURY as you masquerade for us as professional footballers.

  • GPLDAN

    If this goes all the way to Emery, then by definition it must go to Phillips. Must.

    • CanadaBear

      There ya go, using logic again!

    • BillW

      Absolutely. Need a football guy in charge. No more search firms etc looking for football talent. No more reaching for CFL coaches or conditioning coaches turned scouts for GM. Get someone who knows football, has seen success and knows how it’s done and a good idea of the type of people it takes to make it happen.

      In other words – no more guessing and hoping. First criteria – someone who understands the pride the Bears SHOULD have.

    • It will never touch “the family.”
      The Fredo will not be dumped in a lake (spoiler alert)

  • huntinbare

    Muck out this stall

  • GPLDAN

    I agree with Artoo.

    The sacrificial lamb will be Tucker here. Don’t be shocked to see him out at the presser that is about to start.

  • GPLDAN

    Tubby Hubby is about to come on 670.

    http://player.radio.com/listen/station/670-the-score

    He had the vantage point of being on the Bears sideline last night. This should be interesting.

    • GPLDAN

      Matt Cavanugh to be head coach, Paul Pascaloni to be DC is Hub’s recommendation.

      Hub advocating Trestman, Kromer and Tucker being fired today. He may know something we don’t.

      • BerwynBomber

        I liked how he shot down the Kromer as HC suggestion. Kromer seems like another Mike Tice. Good OL coach but that might be his ceiling.

        • GPLDAN

          Hub also took the opportunity to remind us that Phil Emery’s “World Tour” of interviewing 20 people was a giant joke, and to come away from that with a left field choice like Trestman was regarded pretty badly in the NFL.

          Or, in short, it was the proof to everyone else in the NFL that Phil Emery is a kook.

          • BerwynBomber

            People dislike Hub but I generally like him. He’s a bit of a wet blanket but he seems damn knowledgeable and most often makes sense. Unlike someone like Haugh, who strikes me as a moron who has somehow positioned himself well in the Chicago media market.

          • GPLDAN

            I’ve watched and read Hub since the Pardee, pre-Ditka days, when his tv show on CBS with Wayne Larravee was on, and they were just color guys because it was still Johnny Morris’ world. They were chipper young early 30s guys and they lived the Bears.

            Later when he did PFW he made a LOT of fuck-ups. He’s a bad businessman. He sold lifetime subscriptions to the mag for a big up front cost and then reneged on it – something he never lived down. PFW put him way into the red in his 60s, which is why he’s still around. I think his low point is when he bickered with Hampton in the booth during the WBBM days, and got himself kicked out as the color guy.

            I think he’s a real NFL insider kind of guy. A fraternity kind of guy, which is why he’s so down on Emery and Trestman coming from outside the system. Minus his prognostications, which universally suck, he has good Bears insight because he knows the family very very well.

  • GPLDAN

    Ok, time to bet….

    The 1pm Presser. Pick one:

    A. Trestman, Kromer, Tucker all fired. Cavanaugh and Pascaloni given the keys.
    B. Trestman and Kromer fired, Tucker stays
    C. Just Trestman Fired.
    D. Just Tucker Fired.
    E. Just Kromer fired
    F. Tucker and Kromer, Trestman lives
    G. Nobody fired, Emery says the word “tremendous” at least 10 times.

    If Trestman gets the shit can, he’ll only be one of four coaches in NFL history fired midway through Season 2. Last one was Josh McDaniels at the Broncos.

    • BerwynBomber

      Is it confirmed that PE is addressing the media?

      • GPLDAN

        I thought so.

    • wreckinball

      Vote for G

    • I hope Trestman, Tucker and DeCamillas fired.
      Kromer’s a good Oline coach.

      What most likely happens – Tucker falls on the sword.

      • johnnywad

        This. Or gets pushed onto the sword. Which is fine.

  • BearDown100393

    Name a qualified head coach who wants to work with Jay Cutler?

    • Trac

      Ya got me.

  • Smitty

    Jay needs to sit for the Vikings game. I say give David Fales a chance. What the heck…the season is over, it’s time to see wht the young bucks can do.

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