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Forget Trade: Bears Should Commit Resources to Support Cutler Over Next Two Seasons

| November 18th, 2014

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So Adam Schefter reports the Bears can save some money by trading Jay Cutler this spring and the football world goes into a tizzy. Would the Bears do it? Who are the possible trade partners?? Jets? Bills? Rams? Rochester Jeffersons? Where will Camden go to school? How will Kristin cope with a city change? How many people will turn up for Waddle & Silvy remotes with Jimmy Clausen?

Take a breath. Two things.

First, I don’t believe for a second the Bears have interest in trading Jay Cutler. Phil Emery has displayed loyalty to Shea McClellin, his first draft pick, in the face of a city-wide firing squad against the former Boise State star. You really believe he would excommunicate a quarterback he just guaranteed $54 million?

Second, if the Bears traded Jay Cutler it would be pure, unadulterated stupidity; a short-sighted, cave-to-the-crowd mistake by an organization that has completely lost direction.

The Bears offense is not a group in need of a rebuild. The entirety of the offensive talent – Cutler, Forte, Marshall, Jeffery, Bushrod, Bennett, Long…etc. – aren’t going anywhere. Would this organization really be dumb enough to waste this talent in a rookie quarterback’s two-year developmental window? Would they be misguided enough to believe the Bears could employ another journeyman quarterback and sell that to the fans after quite literally 25 years of failing with that model?

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And while Jay Cutler’s turnovers are frustrating, no question about it, do you really believe the Bears can replace his production in 2015 and 2016? In the NFC, Cutler is 4th in yards, 2nd in touchdowns, 5th in passer rating and 3rd in completion percentage. YES, he is also first in interceptions throw and fumbles too often on contact. But turnovers can be overcome when the Bears learn how to play mediocre defense. Turnovers don’t cripple the Indianapolis Colts because every one of Andrew Luck’s interceptions don’t result in an opposing touchdown. Cutler’s game is what it is. The Bears paid handsomely for that game. Now they are going to act surprised? Of course not. Now they must build a team around that game.

Can the Bears win with Jay Cutler? Of course they can. For all the talk of elite quarterbacks in the NFL, Peyton Manning has one Super Bowl. Drew Brees has one Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers has one Super Bowl. These elite quarterbacks have not dominated the sport by any means. The last three Super Bowls were won by Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco and Eli Manning. Wilson can’t complete a pass this year, Flacco plays a weirder version of streetball than Cutler and Eli is the only player in NFL history who has been the best player in the world on two Super Bowl Sundays and the worst player in the world on about a dozen regular season Sundays. He is the anti-Peyton.

You know what all three of those teams did? Played defense when it counted. The 2011 Giants averaged 14 points against them in the postseason. The 2012 Ravens averaged 22 points against them in the postseason. (A defensive meltdown by Denver was the only reason they advanced from the division round.) The 2013 Seahawks averages 13 points against them last winter.

People say “the Bears can’t win with Jay Cutler” but they were one game from a Super Bowl with him in 2010 and arguably the hottest team in football with him in 2011 before injury. What did those teams have that this one doesn’t? A defense.

The Bears should not be looking for a way to dump the 35 touchdown passes and 4,000+ yards from the quarterback position they’ll receive in 2014. They should be looking to build a complete team around that production. They should be committing to this assemblage of offensive weaponry for the next two seasons by adding as much to the other side of the ball as possible; players and coaches.

Then judge Cutler. When his team isn’t having fifty bombs dropped on them three times in eleven games. When they are not dead last, DEAD LAST, in scoring defense. (Detroit is allowing 15.6 points per game. Chicago is allowing 29. You don’t need to be Will Hunting to realize that is nearly double.) Judge the quarterback of the Chicago Bears when there’s a Chicago Bears team capable of competing with the upper echelon of the league.

If the Bears want to select a quarterback early in the 2015 draft to groom as the future at the position, so be it. Cutler hasn’t earned another decade on the job. But he has earned the right to try and lead this group of offensive players deep into the postseason. He has earned that right by being the most prolific quarterback in the history of the Chicago Bears, by single-handedly modernizing the organization with his right arm and by never publicly complaining as the team went from coordinator to coordinator to coordinator to coordinator.

The next two years should be about Cutler. And Forte. And Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett. But they will be about nothing if the organization continues to field a non-competitive defense.

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  • Old broken romanian Jericho

    Thank you for being even handed and honest about where we are at this point. It’s not popular to be honest about this subject. It’s easier to be a meatsock.

  • Beer Baron

    I agree with your overall point – but you are incorrect in saying the whole offense is locked in through 2016. Forte and Jeffery are only under contract for one more year after this. That is a big part of the offense and I do not think they can resign both. But yes, I think those who want to ship Cutler out of town need to be careful what they wish for — there are many worse QB options out there, and chances are the Bears’ next QB won’t even be as good as Cutler.

    • johnnywad

      Forte’s next contract is not going to be so big as to be unmanageable. He’ll be very old for a running back, even a very, very good one.

    • DaBearsBlog

      I made error reading sporttrac. Corrected.

      • TheBigCheesy

        It’s comforting to you know you think of it as “sporttrac” also. I still always type that into the browser and then every time I realize it’s actually “spotrac”

  • TheBigCheesy

    Jesus Christ, Jeff. Where to begin…

    • beninnorcal

      You can begin by pissing off, good starting point for a Pecker fan on ‘DaBearsBlog’..

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      fucking begin somewhere you big pussy. Don’t just be a fucking sarcastic unwanted troll.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Okay.

        Bears arguably the hottest team in 2011 before Cutler’s injury? The Packers were 10-0, on a 16 game winning streak that included a super bowl victory, and Aaron Rodgers was in the middle of the best statistical season by a quarterback in the history of the league.

        But, but, but the Bears had just won 5 games in a row against a bunch of bums so yeah they were probably hotter.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          so if Jeff would have said “one of the hottest teams” in the league you wouldn’t be standing on a ledge threatening to jump?

          • TheBigCheesy

            I wouldn’t be standing on the ledge but maybe i’d be lurking around it.

            San Francisco was hotter. New England was hotter. the Bears were 7-3 in 2011. Big whoop. They were 7-1 the next year and then what happened?

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            I don’t have my reference cards handy, maybe you can parrot someone elses idea of what transpired and just pass it off as your own.

          • Ososfan

            Cheese, I don’t remember his over statistics, but Cutty was playing very well before that thumb injury. All I kept reading was that teams were starting to get scared to play against the Bears. But then again, the media likes controversy.

          • TheBigCheesy

            The Bears were playing well, there is no question. But it wasn’t anything to get excited about. Cutler was at his career average with 13 TDs, 7 INTs, 85 rating and he had a relatively high YPA of 7.4 with a really low completion % of 58.0.

            Cutler has started hot much of his career before fading down the stretch. The next year the bears became the 2nd team in history to start 7-1 and miss the playoffs. His last year in Denver they had that historic collapse where they had a 4 game lead in the division with 4 left to play and still lost out to San Diego. Last year the Bears started 3-0 and Cutler finished 5-6.

            There is no evidence to suggest Cutler’s injury in 2011 prevented some great potential playoff run.

        • johnnywad

          Again, his point being they won those games with Jay Cutler. A five game winning streak in the NFL qualifies you as a very hot team dickhead. It wasn’t intended to be a slight on Rodgers. We all know he’s great. Everybody here with any brains has stated it. Teams with lesser quarterbacks than Rodgers can win games it turns out. Quarterbacks better than Cutler are not easy to come by, if they were, I’m sure PE would just go get one.

  • beninnorcal

    Yeah but he never looks happy and stuff..

  • Old broken romanian Jericho

    I just mocked the rest of the season and here is what I came up with as the wild card possibilities:
    Bears 9-7 ( I had them winning out at 10-6 but wanted to be “realistic”.)
    Philly 9-7
    Seattle 9-7
    SF 9-7 (eliminated because we have the tiebreaker over them at the very least)
    I don’t know how they break it down from there.

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      Buffalo and Carolina are going to end up being heartbreaking I think.

  • Old broken romanian Jericho

    i’ll check back in a little later when Cheese is done writing Finnegan’s Wake over something so fucking obvious and straightforward.

    • TheBigCheesy

      Jay Cutler is my favorite player of all time. He surpassed Brett Favre last week. I’m serious. He’s been responsible for so many of my favorite NFL memories. Too many to count. I hope he never leaves. There are seasons where he is literally the only non-rookie quarterback that the Packers defense can punk. I enjoy watching him fuck up as much as I enjoy Aaron Rodgers set record after record.

      Jeff is otherwise a very reasonable man. Overly optimistic? Of course, but that’s his angle in a town where there might not be enough of that. But I cannot understand his marriage to his Cutler narrative. Cut bait man! The title of this piece reads as though the Bears should double down on Jay Cutler. WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING SINCE PHIL EMERY GOT HERE? They’ve got a GM who evidently can only evaluate offensive talent. They traded for Jay Cutler’s best buddy Brandon Marshall. They brought in a “QB whisperer” to be their head coach. They bought matt slauson and Jermon bushrod and drafted Kyle long to protect Cutler. They drafted Alshon Jeffery and bought martellus bennett so Jay would have more weapons.

      How many more resources can you commit to the Jay Cutler cause? You’ve done that already. YOU CAN’T TRIPLE STAMP A DOUBLE STAMP.

      • johnnywad

        And last year they scored the second most points in the NFL fuckhead. Granted, something is amiss here this year, but that roster has the ability to score points. Quit being stupid. The Packers are literally one player away from sucking giant NFL cock. One. So keep things in perspective.

        • TheBigCheesy

          This has nothing to do with the packers. The packers have made chicago their full-time bitch since Cutler has arrived. Don’t worry about beating Aaron Rodgers. Worry about winning games and making the playoffs.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            the audacity to mention “since Cutler arrived” and not “the departure of any weapons, coaching and OL and TE support” is astounding. It’s like you’re trying to troll or something.
            Parrot, you know the context so start fucking referencing it.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Waffle, everyone knows your role, just like everyone knows mine. There’s nothing wrong with having your perspective, it’s great. But there is literally nothing the Bears could do to prevent you from convincing yourself they are on the precipice of greatness.

            Every year you scream playoffs from the mountaintops and every year you’re fucking wrong. You’re like the deranged false prophet who warns of the rapture and then revises his predictions after nothing comes to pass.

            I love you, but i don’t take you seriously.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            You just parroted The Score yet again and your perspective is completely wrong and borrowed.

          • TheBigCheesy

            That was a pretty hollow defense. You can do better than that.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            I did, above, and you ignored the post because your idea that it is somehow illogical to get a Marshall when available, draft a JEffrey in round fucking TWO, finally get rid of shit OL and try to build it back with ROOKIES and some vet FA. Brutal.

          • GPLDAN

            I like to think of Johnny as the Night Rider from Mad Max.

            He’s a heartbreaker

            He’s a life taker

            He is a fuel injected suicide machine, the rocker, the roller, the out-of-controller!

            The Toecutter – he knows who Johnny is. The Nightrider! The chosen one. The mighty hand of vengeance, sent down to strike the unroadworthy! Hotter than a rollin’ dice. Step right up, chum, and watch the kid lay down the rubber road, ride to freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            Cheese, I honestly thought you kind of knew what you were talking about until very recently. You aren’t as dumb as some of the rockheads that type words on this site but you’ve proven yourself to be less than advertised. I’m a little disappointed but whether you take me seriously or not doesn’t phase me in the least. What makes me angry is that there are actual guys that profess to be Bears fans that somehow forgot what the last 15 years looked like and why it looked that way.

          • TheBigCheesy

            I never advertised my intelligence. If you were fooled into thinking I am smart than perhaps that’s on you. I am just a lowly troll. Never forget that.

            And it’s not that I don’t take YOU seriously, but I obviously don’t take your predictions seriously and I don’t take your bears-related excuse making or your rationalizations seriously. There is no harm in delusional tribal optimism when it comes to trival matters like sports. It’s part of being a fan. But that’s what it is… delusional.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Okay then, “since 2009”

        • TheBigCheesy

          The roster does have the ability to score points. That’s exactly what I’m trying to say. The Bears have already committed every conceivable resource to Jay Cutler’s “development”. Chicago has one of the more lopsided payrolls in the league. In fact, the Bears have bolstered so much to Cutler’s supporting cast that JOSH fucking MCCOWN could thrive in his position.

          Chicago’s defense sucks ass because they’ve been IGNORED for the past few years so that Jay could get help on offense. You can’t have a $20 million QB and a $10 million RB and a $10 million LT, a $10 million WR and a $5 million TE 1st round RG and 2nd round WR without suffering on the other side of the ball. How can you seriously ask for a competent defense when you’ve spent everything on the offense?

          • GPLDAN

            This is truthiness.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            no way you agree with this parroting of Mully from this morning. He completely ignored 8yrs of Angelo and made the offensive moves about finally “placating Cutler”.
            It was about putting NFL caliber talent on the field where there was NONE.
            I’m done, you just gave credence to one of his worst posts man.

          • BerwynBomber

            Why the “iness”?

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            you parroted that from The Score this morning and it’s obviously incorrect. They spent the money on offense because ANGELO failed to draft or build the offense for almost 8years. He missed on virtually EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE PICK except Forte and Olsen.
            You should parrot different sources.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            jesus Christ Parrot, you are transparent.

          • TheBigCheesy

            I don’t listen to the score live. i listen to podcasts days later so i don’t have to listen to commercials. But the fact that other people would insinuate similar ideas would seem to give more credibility to my argument, not less.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            that’s right Cheesey, it turns out you’re just about as intelligent as the average bear fan that wants Clausen in the game. You’re about to be kicked out of your local Trivia Night/Packer Club.

          • johnnywad

            And it worked. They scored a shitload of points. That’s the point Jeff is making. It has been proven to work. That’s why you keep him. They’ve put up nearly 500 yards twice this season. Why the point totals are down is beyond me. I don’t know why you can get huge chunks of yards but not many points. But I do know, that you don’t shuttle a quarterback ten games removed from the highest scoring offense in the Bears history. You look at the big picture. They have allowed over fifty points in a quarter of their last twelve games. First team to never do that. So yes, you bolster the defense. And yes, you can put a defense together while paying the offense the money you just stated. But they need time to do it. They just finished building the offense. Now its time to build the defense. Phil tried, but you don’t just find a real starting DE, DT, MLB, SS and FS in one off season. There are plenty of problems in the Bears makeup, but trading Cutler solves none of them.

          • TheBigCheesy

            I know why the point totals are down despite lots of yards. It’s because the Quarterback throws the ball to the wrong team. He’s done so for 9 nine years. Maybe he’ll stop next week though.

          • johnnywad

            And yet, the very same quarterback scored the second most points in the NFL last year. So why assume they can’t do it again?

          • TheBigCheesy

            No, the BEARS scored the second most points in the NFL.

            McCown was 3-2 with 13 TD, 1 INT in 5 starts.
            Cutler was 5-6 with 19 TD, 12 INT in 11 starts

          • johnnywad

            Yeah. McCown was the answer. Go back and look at the opponents. It matters. I’m guessing you didn’t watch the games. I’m guessing you didn’t see McCown hang a shitload of points on the Cowboys, the worst secondary in the NFL, and turn around and shit the bed against the Rams and Vikings when there was any real pressure. You’re just wrong.

          • TheBigCheesy

            I never said Josh McCown was the answer. YOU said that Jay Cutler scored the 2nd most points in the league. I just used those statistics to point out that you are wrong.

          • Sactowns#1

            Uh….itts called turnovers. You see if you march 80 yards down the field only to have Jay fumble the ball or throw a pick then you can amass a lot of yards but not many points.

          • johnnywad

            Well they haven’t scored in bunches when Jay plays clean either. So while its easy to hang it there, there’s more to it.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Jay has played clean only 3 times this year. They scored at least 27 points in all 3 games and went 3-0

          • johnnywad

            Short fields against, the Niners on interceptions from Kyle Fuller and co. don’t count in your equation.

            If you’re just going to continue to post that Jay Cutler is the reason they don’t score points you’re wasting your time. The interceptions do hurt, but they aren’t the exclusive reason.

            You don’t count drive killing penalties, and QB sweeps from the one, or really untimely drops? Its just Jay? Who knew?

            Further, provide me a scenario, from last December, where the Bear had a real opportunity to upgrade the QB position and move away from Cutler. What would you have done? This is the piece of the situation that Cutler naysayers will not answer. It always just “Fuck him. We should totally do better.” Doesn’t work like that

          • TheBigCheesy

            The Bears didn’t have a chance to upgrade the QB position. They had a chance to upgrade the rest of the team. Instead they sunk $18 million into the Quarterback position and they continue to get the same production out of the position that they got from a backup QB last year

          • BerwynBomber

            Is Bushrod making that kind of dough too?

          • TheBigCheesy

            Maybe not 10. Maybe it’s more like $8 milllion. I don’t know. it’s a lot though.

          • BerwynBomber

            Well, good point regardless. I had forgetten about the Bushrod money. It is surprising how many fans dismiss the amount of money that was sunk into this offense and now the answer is “Cutler needs a defense!”

            Btw, what do you think you guys will do with Cobb at the end of the season? As good as he has been I wonder if the Cheese make a Pats-like decision and say, “thanks for the memories”, although they did pay Nelson so who knows. I still think you guys were nuts for not re-working something with Woodson. You could have re-signed him for a song.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Cobb is very interesting. My best guess is they will pay him. I love Randall Cobb but I don’t know if I want to spend the money. It seems silly to pay two WRs around $10 million per year when it’s very possible that Aaron Rodgers is good enough to turn almost anyone into a pro-bowl WR.

            My idea this past offseason (when Nelson and Cobb both had 1 year left and James Jones was still on the team) was to pay James Jones 3 million per, extend Nelson, and see if we could trade Randall Cobb. I was thinking maybe if we packaged Cobb with a 2nd rounder we could get an all-pro ILB. Like Luke Kuechly. Maybe I was dreaming we could get that much in return but we could have gotten something. Randall Cobb is special and he’s incredibly young (he’s a few months younger than Alshon Jeffrey i believe).

          • SC Dave

            No way the Panthers would part with Kuechly in a trade with the Packers that did not involve Aaron Rodgers.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        i’m confused. As a fan of the Green Bay Packers you honestly think that it’s some sort of offensive fetish to want to bring in a number 1 WR??? Something which the Bears have never had? This coming from a team that averages 2-5 number 1 WR’s per fucking formation for the last 15 to 17 years. That’s rich.
        It’s outrageous to want to replace J’Marcus Webb and the other fucking piss stains that we had on the line ever since John Tait retired right before the 2009 season? Are you fucking kidding me?
        Do you mean to tell me the Bears had the audacity to address the only thing that kept them from winning a super bowl and staying ultra competitive from 2001 to 2013?????
        The organization had the fucking nerve to replace Mike Fucking Tice who was the replacement of Mike Fucking Martz who was the replacement of Ron Fucking Turner????? And they wanted to do it with a guy that had a lot of experience with quarterbacks and the West Coast system that Cutler, Marshall and Forte had experience in and would thrive in???? Holy fuck what a novel fucking concept.
        Dude stop yourself. Use some fucking perspective. You are supposed to be a knowledgeable packer fan and instead you spout shit like you’re parroting some guy from bleacher report.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          your new name is the Parrot.

          • TheBigCheesy

            You can be more creative than that. If you get to be Jerry Licko, can’t I at least get something a little spicier?

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            Robinetul de supt papagal
            in Romanian loosely translated as the cock sucking parrot

          • TheBigCheesy

            I’ll take it. Just call me RdSP for short

  • BerwynBomber

    So you want to triple down on the Cutler decision and extension? Good lord. That’s insane.

    Build for the future at this point. Concentrate on D and look for a young QB the next two years. Enough with the “Jay needs more” mentality.

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      it’s not tripling down to build an overall NFL quality roster despite what Cheese wants you to believe.

    • Peanut FTW

      I think this is basically what Jeff is saying, in a slanted toward Cutler way.
      Facts:
      1. The defense is atrocious on a historical scale and has to be priority number one right now.
      2. The offense is essentially set for at least one more year.

      So, with those two facts being established, Cutler is a non issue at this point. Unless you can upgrade at the position with another veteran there is no point in even looking at trades. I don’t think you take any unproven at this point to get the rest of that O through one more year. I don’t think I’d even trade Manziel for Cutler right now as I just don’t know what my immediate return is.

      • TheBigCheesy

        If the defense becomes priority number one at the expense of the offense, then Cutler’s supporting cast on offense deteriorates and you’re back to 2009 where we all started. The bears tried pairing cutler with a great defense. Then they tried pairing Cutler with a great offense. Jeff is now asking that the Bears pair Cutler with a great offense and a good defense. Maybe he can ask for world peace while he’s at it. This league has a fucking salary cap. There are consequences to paying your QB 20 million.

        • BerwynBomber

          Mostly agree. Bears could hit a home run in the draft with defense or cheap FAs, but yeah most of the money has been sunk into the offense. There is only so much to go around. You start screaming defense loud enough it is like asking to have Lovie back.

          • GPLDAN

            Agreed as well.

          • CanadaBear

            They can re-work Cutler’s contract and backload some money. Same thing we did with Pep. The problem isn’t just money, it’s also PE and the coaching staff.

        • johnnywad

          Super Bowl winners are very nearly ALWAYS great at one phase of the game and very good at the other two. Rodgers’ defense when the Packers won the Super Bowl was very good to great. Why is it unreasonable for the Bears to attempt the same balance?

          • BerwynBomber

            Because of money. Packers were not paying that O very much. Rodgers was playing for cheap. Greg Jennings was probably their costliest player then. And Cutler’s or Marshall’s respective salaries probably dwarf his.

          • johnnywad

            Which is the reason Cutler’s contract is heavy up front. Is it unreasonable to assume Phil wants to build this defense through the draft? With any luck the numbers will balance as new quality players mature with the team on both sides of the ball. To assume Phil should not have extended Cutler is to completely ignore the reality the roster situation was in at the time.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yes, I said that below. You can build the D by hitting home runs in the draft and signing quality, inexpensive FAs (think Willie Young) but once you get an Urlacher, Briggs or Peppers in their prime on that side of the ball, watch out.

            FWIW, Packers are dealing a little with this problem themselves with Rodgers and Nelson. But whereas they have two huge O contracts we have in the neighborhood of four with Cutler, Marshall, Forte and Bennett.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            oh how soon we forget guys like Donald Driver who, out of the goodness of his own heart, played for several slices of stale white bread and a glass of water.

          • BerwynBomber

            If Driver was making any money for that SB-wining team then it was money wasted. He was basically a fourth or fifth option at that point and retired the following year.

            You’re thinking of Driver with Favre. I was talking specifically of when the Cheese won the SB a few years back.

          • TheBigCheesy

            The Packers have Ted Thompson and the Bears have a marblemouthed nerd with “dust on the highway”. That’s why.

        • BillW

          And how much is Rodgers slated to make? Granted, he’s shown that if anyone is worth 20 million, it’s him. But it’s still a huge hit to the cap.

          Which is another point Jeff is making. Football is still a team game, and the better the QB is the less money to go around for the other important points.

          Again, Cheesy – HUGE difference in that GB gets value for the 20 mill that the Bears can’t get close to. I get that – but 20 mill anywhere handcuffs the rest of the team.

          • BerwynBomber

            But the Cheese have also avoided being on the hook for big money with any other O players other than Rodgers and Nelson. And we have four moneymakers in Cutler, BMarsh, Forte and Bennett. With a fifth and sixth down the road in Jeffrey and Long.

            Granted, the Cheese have bills due with Cobb and to a lesser extent Lacy, but they are paying their supporting O cast less than we pay Jay’s. But maybe that goes to your point about Rodgers; you can get away with it more with him on your team.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            it’s not like Finley played for free Bomber. Some might say that the Packers not getting additional help over the years in terms of RB’s and OL kept them from being way more successful…..

          • BerwynBomber

            My guess is Finley never got paid. He was never in the league long enough to secure a huge contract.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Finley never got paid. THe most he ever got was a one or two year “show me deal”. I don’t think he ever got more than $4 million and he only got that for 1 year maybe 2

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Green Bay Packers tight end Jermichael Finley agreed to a two-year deal worth over $15 million, Pro Football Talk reported on Wednesday.

            Get the fuck out of here… you don’t know shit about your own team.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Yeah I was wrong. It was 2 years $14 million. It was however a show me deal. he never got his big contract.

          • BillW

            Yeah – as Jeff says, one of the best QBs in history (maybe THE best) and as many Super Bowls as Jim McMahon, Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, etc.

            Given the spread of talent and salary cap and FAs etc etc that may very well be the only one he gets.

            It takes the greatest QB in the game just to have them in the conversation.

            Frankly, if we HAD a great QB and we STILL were just another contender I think I’d be even more frustrated.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, but you can say the same thing about Petyon Manning: one SB. And Blogfather considers him the greatest football player ever, period.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            The Packers drafted well over the years as all but 5 of their guys have NEVER BEEN ON ANOTHER TEAM. That is the reason they are not fucked salary wise They didn’t ignore or fuck up every single draft from 2004 through 2011

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            fucking agree with it Cheese you fucking cocksmoker.

          • BillW

            YEAH – especially since he asked so nice!

          • TheBigCheesy

            I thought my name was the parrot?

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            it is, you’re a cocksmoking parrot.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          well, completely idiotic post but i’ll take a quick shot.
          1. How does Long regress into Chilo Rachal
          2. How could anyone get worse than Webb
          3. Will Tait sign with the team and then suddenly retire again?
          4. Maybe Martellus Bennett will just suddenly die so he doesn’t have to fulfill the next 3yrs of his contract.
          5. Slauson and DeLaPuente are not the dog shit that was on the team like Frank fucking Omiyale and Edwin willliams.
          How can the offense regress further and be ignored in the next 2 years than it was in the previous fucking 8??? you’re not making sense.

          • SC Dave

            Who was that DL guy that retired on us when camp started?

      • BerwynBomber

        Somewhat agree but if there are hypothetical trades out there to get out from under his contract or limit what the organization would have to pay then the front office would be absolute morons not to look into such deals.

        And yeah, I get the build the defense argument but that is hardly a ringing endorsement of Cutler. Or to think of it another way: Blogfather says look at Cutler in 2010 and 2011 and the largest common denominator to his success was a rock solid D. Well, gee … look at the success of Grossman, Orton, and Jim Miller and you can say the same. In fact, Grossman did Cutler one better. He took us to an SB.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          Cutler had a rock solid D in those later years but Grossman and Orton had a HALL OF FAME DEFENSE and like 6 TD’s from Hester. Look at Grossman’s stat line from this year. It makes Jay look like THE SINGLE GREATEST QB EVER.
          Bomber also, please provide the names of the offensive line for the Bears in that season compared to the diarrhea we had. You need to start thinking about the whole team and stop thinking about a fucking GUY.

          It’s like you guys have never watched football.

          74 Ruben Brown G

          63 Roberto Garza C/G

          57 Olin Kreutz C

          60 Terrence Metcalf G

          69 Fred Miller T

          78 John St. Clair T

          76 John Tait T
          I’m going to let you refresh yourself on the Grossman games on your own.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            Grossman had 23 TD’s and 20 INT’s that season. Good times. Talk about squandering a hall of fame D and Specials.

          • BerwynBomber

            And Cutler had 27 TDs and 26 INTs in ’09. And 23 TDS and 16 INTs in ’10, which Blogfather was suggesting was a Cutty glory year.

            Again, I’m not dense enough to say Grossman is as good as Jay. He’s not. But you do have to start looking at bang for your buck. At all positions. Including QB.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            2009 was rough, lost 2 LBs in first game and had HILLENMEYER as MLB. Jay had a tough year.
            2010 was a fucking war of attrition when he was fucking raped on every play and had to resort to pop passes to Olsen and Bennett like it was gradeschool so he wouldn’t get sacked or hit immediately. That year was a year of the team coming together to win games by any means necessary.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            the OL in 2010 was fucking putrid and just got worse over time.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            do you know that when Urlacher and Briggs played together their salaries combined to more than our entire fucking offensive line before 2013? Bet you didn’t know that did you?

          • BerwynBomber

            Waffle, you’re over-reacting. I wasn’t saying Grossman, Orton or Jim Miller were as good as Cutler. But what I was implying is that if you want to build such a bad ass D again, the difference between Cutler and those other guys is not so great it is going to matter. In fact, given Cutler’s salary you might be better going on the cheap at QB if one want to use the Lovie template.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            but those guys are one of THE MAIN REASONS why the Bears didn’t win a super bowl or have consistent success and not just in 2006. You can’t just win with a guy. Then the O was mismanaged for years with every draft pick busting. Then Angelo started busting on D picks too.
            By the time Emery came in he tried to fix the O in 2 years hoping that the D would hold up just a little longer…which sadly it did not and it started when Major Wright landed on Lach’s mother fucking knee.

          • SC Dave

            It’s laughable that you fail to mention that the skill players were not exactly the likes of Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, and Forte.

    • SC Dave

      Don’t worry BB, no matter how many weapons we get, there will always be the coaching staff to blame for Cutler’s dalliances with mediocrity.

  • BearDown100393

    Sure, the Bears can win with Jay Cutler. All it would take is to build the right team around him. Anything is possible I suppose. Just like it is possible for Charlie Manson to find a perfect bride to marry.

    • GPLDAN

      + some blog points for a Chuck Manson throw.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        too easy, it was on Yahoo.com

        • GPLDAN

          If it was on Yahoo, it must be true.

      • BearDown100393

        Well thank you, I was looking for an inroad to reference Mr. Manson. Mission accomplished.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    I say we keep Jay, Draft a QB if there is a good one available, and have Jay mentor the kid for a few seasons. If the new kid turns out to be the Next Peyton Manning, then show Jay the Door. I’m tired of excuses for Jay…Either you perform or your don’t, but more importantly you have to be consistently “good” in play ability and decision making. I don’t feel Jay is either. He is consistently a “cross your fingers” player when the chips are down. When he’s hot it’s great, when he’s not it’s a freakin disaster on wheels.

    • BearDown100393

      Jay the Mentor? Do you really believe that?

      • Bears-4-Ever

        Well no, Knowing how Jay got his feelings hurt in Denver, I doubt he would want to mentor anyone. But it would be up to him…if he wanted to whine about it then see ya. It would be in his best intrest to help the new kid out though. IMHO.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          he actively helped McCown do as well as possible knowing how the meatsocks would respond.

          • BearDown100393

            What did he do to help Josh exactly?

          • GPLDAN

            He didn’t treat him like shit?

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            sorry, more than that.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            i’m not doing all of the legwork for you. You’ll have to do some reading.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            ok, i’ll help you a bit. Cutler and McCown developed a close personal friendship, Jay lobbied to get him signed to the squad back in 2012 after being together in 2011 and re-signed in 2013. they talk every week and offer each other encouragement even to this day.
            You don’t do that if you didn’t help each other during the seasons you spent all of your days on the field and in the meeting rooms with.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            dude look at your post of incredulity above when the concept was even brought up. And who has a fucking mentor anyway? We are in 2014 10BIL a year NFL mode, you fucking win now or your fucking gone as GM and Coach, why would they pick a top QB to let him sit when David Bass is our DE and Demontre Hurst is the nickel where last week he put extra mustard on a sub I bought.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        once again, no reason to do that with a completely serviceable NFL caliber quarterback currently on the roster.
        Do you realize that at one point in the game against the Patriots the DB’s were Al Louis Jean, Brock Vereen and Ryan Mundy.
        BIGGER. FISH. TO. FRY.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          and DEMONTRE HURST!!!! and MARCUS TRICE!!! Holy fuck.

      • BerwynBomber

        I’m far from a Jay fan but I believe he is a good teammate. I think he would mentor where appropriate. I’ve heard both Erik Kramer and Kordell Stewart wanted nothing to do with other QBs on their teams (and Stewart was easily threatened). I don’t see Cutler as that guy despite his “don’t care” ‘tude.

    • BillW

      He will mentor the new QB by example. As in Marc saying: “See what Jay just did. Don’t do that.”

  • GPLDAN

    Marc Trestman being “salty” with media is a good start. This season may make him a better football coach.

    Lovie loved to stonewall the press. From the top down, the organization responded to the hate feud it had with the media by promising a more transparent, honest organization that was accountable.

    All Trestman said when he got here was accountability, etc. Standing up, growing the man, etc.

    And when he started to lose the team, and shit hit the fan, and they played the two most embarrassing games in team history back to back, the press LIT HIM UP. And they were not coy about it. They called him a worthless shit. Telander, Haugh, Doomer, Bernstein, even Biggsy called him a buffoon.

    He didn’t like that. He had no idea and was unprepared for the Lion’s Den he came into. This isn’t Canada. People are not polite in this city. The press will fuck you up, and it got personal with him.

    So? His response now that the going has gotten very tough? He’s turned into Lovie. Shit answers. He basically told Rich Campbell to go fuck himself.

    Personally, I think that’s a joke. I think that shows he’s a pussy. His corporate speak is pussy speak. Parcells would have told Campbell to eat the peanuts outta of his shit. Ditka would have thrown a clipboard and said “you all suck”. Trestman came in and promised the McCaskeys that he would be a stand up guy and take his hits if he failed – and now he finds out that’s a little too painful for him – so he’s “salty”.

    As Viva would say: FUCK SALTY

    • BearDown100393

      You have to admit it is far more fun when the media and coaches turn against each other in this town.

      • GPLDAN

        Campbell wanted to discuss the play that Jay perhaps fumbled but it wasn’t ruled that way and it was down and the whistle blew.

        Trestman said he didn’t see that play. That’s a brazen lie, it happened right in front of him. But that’s his out when he doesn’t want to talk about something. I hate that. I hate that he lies and makes himself seem like he misses half of what goes on out there. It’s a dick play, and it’s his go to move.

        • BillW

          We’re starting to talk about him like we did Lovie – mad at how he lies to fans through the media.

    • Bender McLugh

      so what would you call Belichick if not SALTY? And would you say he;s a shit coach? Fuck your sentiment here GP.

  • GPLDAN

    How bad would it be to start Clausen for one game?

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      lol, dick.

    • BerwynBomber

      Once we are mathematically eliminated, sure. But now? You gotta go with Cutty.

      And btw, I don’t think Clausen will pulls a McCown 2.0. I think there are veteran back-ups who might but they ain’t Clausen.

    • BearDown100393

      Really bad. That would impact Jay’s chase for leading the league throwing interceptions.

      • BerwynBomber

        LOL. That might be tough to win. Bortles already has fourteen and he didn’t even play the first two games of the Jags year. And Eli’s back in the mix after his five pick day on Sunday.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I see no good from that at this point and time.

      • Cormonster

        Sands of Iwo Jima is first on my list. Going to watch that tonight. Thanks for all the suggestions. Mostly skipping through this thread. Heard all the arguments before ad nauseum.

        • AlbertInTucson

          My pleasure, Cor. Trivia: “…IWO JIMA” co-star, John Agar, who also appeared with The Duke in FORT APACHE and SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON, was also the first Mr.Shirley Temple.

  • BillW

    Jeff says: “Judge the quarterback of the Chicago Bears when there’s a Chicago Bears team capable of competing with the upper echelon of the league.”

    I’m as puzzled as anyone why we’re not losing these games 50-34 instead of what we are. No matter how bad the defense is, there is no causal reason for the offense to sputter when they do in fact get the ball.

    I contend we should be able to judge Jay on the production (or lack of production) when he has the ball. Production meaning points – not yards. Other than field position (not minor I know) the rest of the team is not causing them to go 3 and out or drive 60-80 yards and have nothing to show for it.

    Here is my ignorance based theory. The offense (maybe just Jay?) loses focus or urgency or whatever once they realize they have no chance of winning no matter how well they do.

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      football is not played in a vacuum. There is fault to be placed on the O to be sure but the Patriots just assfucked the Colts and no one is calling for Luck’s head because they didn’t score 34 and Luck apparently is Jesus himself.
      Philly just got fucking stomped by GB and no one is calling for Chip Kelly’s head for lying about being an O guru.

      • BillW

        Not sure of your point or maybe you misread me. I do think it’s fair game to question why so few points despite how bad the D and “specials” are.

        True about Philly and the Colts, and I don’t follow them so maybe I’ll be dead wrong in saying this, but I suspect those games were anomalies and the overall.

        I don’t think we’ve score over 28 all year. But maybe it’s Trestman and not Jay. Field position of course matters, but still there is no doubt the offense is under-acheiving.

        By the way, I’m off to go teach so if you respond and I don’t acknowledge, it’s not like I’m ignoring you. I’ll never forget you for giving me absolution!

    • CanadaBear

      One other thing. The D gets very few TO’s and have scored twice this year. Even when the get TO’s the return is about 0.

      • BerwynBomber

        Hmmm … obviously against GB (twice) and NE that is the case, but are you sure their #s are that low across the league? The D was actually giving O a lot of short fields in specific games — Jets, Carolina, SF, etc.

        • CanadaBear

          I’d have to do some actual work for that. I don’t remember any long fumble or interception returns. I did see we scored 2 TD’S (1 int, 1 fum). I think we went 3 games without getting one.

  • fantastic post Jeff.

  • John Doe

    The Cutler decision is dependent on one or two decisions that will come before it. So it is premature at this point to say ‘Keep Cutler’.

    The first decision is whether Trestman will stay on as coach or get fired.

    If Trestman gets fired, it is a whole new ball game. Will the new coach agree to work with Cutler. Other than Mike Shanahan I doubt any other coach will mortgage their job to a QB like Cutler after all that has happened.

    If Trestman does not get fired, he will essentially get one more year to prove himself. How is the relationship between Trestman and Cutler? All indications are things are not going as they had expected. The Vikings game this Sunday was telling, especially the 2 minute drill before the half. Trestman and Cutler did not look like a coach-QB team in sync. Cutler himself said yesterday that he did not know “what we were trying to accomplish”. Damning and not good indication for the long-term.

    If Trestman gets one final year in the HC job he has waited for his whole damn life, he might just tell Emery ” I don’t want my fate to be decided by this QB Jay Cutler” and they might trade him away and work with a draft choice or someone else who might be a better fit for Trestman’s system. Once again, Jay Cutler is far from the ideal QB for Trestman’s WCO. Trestman’s WCO needs a smart QB with great accuracy who goes through his progressions, make quick decisions, plays within the system and does not necessarily have a big arm.

    The fact that Rich Gannon, a guy very close to Trestman, called for benching Jay Cutler and the fact that details about his contract that say it is possible to trade him are out and trade rumors have started to swirl does not bode well for Jay Cutler’s chances to remain in Chicago, IMO. They will try to move him and get whatever they can get.

    What a crazy turn of events! Who would have thought just 9 months ago when Jay Cutler signed that big contract that Bears fans will be debating whether to trade or keep Cutler by week 12 of the season. What a complete mess of a season.

    • BerwynBomber

      Liked your post but I’m not convinced they will be so aggressive in trying to move Cutler. PE seems all in on Cutler. And if PE has shown so much loyalty McClellin than …

      • John Doe

        If the Trestman-Cutler relationship is not working, then everything else is moot..

        Cutler showed them more willingness to change when he was looking for his big contract. This year he is back to his old self. Emery’s admission about Cutler that ‘habits are hard to break’ was an indirect way of acknowledging a miscalculation.

  • BerwynBomber

    Steelers cut Lagarette Blount after his me-first act near the end of last night’s game.

    • CanadaBear

      The part I don’t get is Cheech to his Chong was having a career game and he has to make it about him. That really rings the selfish bell. You’d think he could be happy for his smoking buddy.

    • AlbertInTucson

      There’s a reason Blount is so well traveled.

  • Sactowns#1

    Wouldnt you consider acquiring BMarsh to be a significant investment in Cutler? How many players do we need to get in order to make ONE player perform to his “potential”?

    • TheBigCheesy

      The organization has already gone all in on Jay Cutler in every conceivable way. They’ve done everything they could possibly think of to try and unlock his “potential”. They hired a fucking CFL coach because he turned Rich Gannon into Steve Young

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      it’s an investment in both Cutler and the team. Before Marshall the WR corps were a fucking laughingstock because they weren’t #1 or even #2 WR’s while other teams made sure to have playmakers. Jesus why can’t you guys admit that getting Marshall was like putting a kitchen in your house finally when all of the other houses already have them.

      • TheBigCheesy

        It’s not just Marshall. He’s just a part of it. But Marshall did cost two 3rd rounders and a bunch of money. And Brandon Marshall has baggage. They took a risk brining him in. I know you don’t believe he has a negative impact on the locker room but plenty of people do and they have reason too. That boxing thing last week was a fucking farce. Maybe it’s not true, but the perception is that Brandon Marshall doesn’t listen to a fucking thing his head coach or GM says.

        The Marshall trade was not a bad move. But it was a move made to “commit resources” toward jay cutler and the offense. They’ve committed plenty.

  • CanadaBear

    I’m totally down with fixing the D as long as we re-sign Alshon and a couple other guys worth keeping. It shouldn’t be an either/or thing.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I don’t buy the trade talk and this wouldn’t be the first time Mr. Schefter has swing and missed.

  • Ososfan

    Still supporting Jay, liked the attitude he was giving to the refs but where in the he’ll is the sense or urgency with the squad! God Damn that frustrated me more than the TWO INT’s Cutty threw. It was a good game for him but those turnovers could have killed us again. Again, where is the Damn urgency!?!?!?! Btw, I believe we need a TE2 in this draft as well. Unicorn is acting all kinds of weird this year……….

  • Ososfan

    Btw, for all the trolling he does, I sometimes enjoying Cheesy coming in and offering his piece ( you know, when it’s relevant, which does not occur much) he offers good insight sometimes and enjoy y’all messing with him more than he thinks he’s messing with the blog. There is an obvious respect he has for The Bears org but is not willing to admit it, beck, he might even be somewhat of a bizzaro-type fan or something…… Haha

  • shonbear

    All good stuff, but until they do some slight adjustments to the offense which enable our receivers to catch balls in stride (at least sometimes) as you wrote about a post or two ago. who was the last guy that we actually did that with Johnny Knox?

  • Viva

    Jay Cutler is a stud.

  • TheBigCheesy

    I want to hear MB30SD’s take on the current state of the franchise. Let him know that I will pay the blog with a seven day absence in exchange for his honest opinion. It has to be at least a paragraph.

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      why would he jump on with this huge group of Kap and Haugh’s. This is out of fucking control.

      • GPLDAN

        Johnny, you are such a fucking homer man. Seriously.

        Is there nothing Cutler could do to piss you off?

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          I’m disappointed at some really solid games going south because of multiple reasons and it’s going to fuck us out of a wild card. i like seeing them win but fucking refuse to jump on this cutler gang bang when we are one of the worst D’s in the league yet again and every time we don’t score or drive down the field like the 1980’s 49ers that the other team has an insane possibility that they are going 80 the other fucking way for a TD drive no matter what.
          I’m disappointed at a handful of picks this year by cutler but consistently watch other good qb’s go through troubles as well except their fucking team’s don’t give up back breaking scores every fucking time afterwards so guys like Luck can have 54% comp %’s , 10 fucking picks in really terrible situations and be blown like HOF’ers.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            and to top it off our media are fucking scumbags and leaches and suck the life and joy out of even a home win like this past sunday. i made the mistake of finally tuning and was quickly reminded why i would gladly choke the life of fucking pussies like Kap even after one solitary shot of trade wind.

          • GPLDAN

            I have been here long enough to recall your epic stories about calling the Score and “discussing” sports with the producers. And by discuss, I mean Jericho the fucking shit outta them.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            i don’t know why i even care. fuck.

          • BillW

            Because it’s the Bears.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            i don’t want to sound like a dick but i kind of meant why do i fucking care what any of you think. My life is perfect right now and the only thing that brings me down in the slightest is knowing that this BEARS blog is overrun by fucking Kap and Haughs.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            i think it may be time for a quick 6 day exile.

          • BillW

            Just when I thought we were bonding..

            But a few days off would help I’m sure. We’re kinda treading water here waiting to see what happens next anyway

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            Our D will make Josh look as good as possible but let’s circle around after our victory as the Lions lose again.

          • BillW

            If that’s the worst thing in your life I envy you

          • TheBigCheesy

            So the bears sucking moldy butthole doesn’t dampen your spirits, but fans complaining about the bears sucking moldy butthole sends you into a fit?

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            I addressed my disappointment further up the thread

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            i watch Wilson throw 2 picks and fumble a ball 15yds down the field which is inexplicably picked up by no one and they still win by 4 TD’s and people are busy sucking his pole all day and giving free passes.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            Raperberger raped 2 19yr olds and is treated better than we treat cutler

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            We have Demontre Hurst starting at Nickel and we’re talking about trading a QB ranked in the top 4 of almost all categories in the NFC

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            so, yeah, you’ll excuse me if i get annoyed at this fucking bullshit.

          • GPLDAN

            Only in Pittsburgh where Football > Catholicism.

          • BerwynBomber

            R-berger is also one of the five best QBs in football and will probably end up in Canton.

          • wreckinball

            Correct but stop making sense it pisses off old and broken

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            i know Rapermeister is awesome but my point is that this whole industry of bashing cutler is out of control.

          • BerwynBomber

            For some of his attitude? I would agree. But as GP indicated earlier about “salty” Trestman, you play in Chicago (or NYC, Dallas, Boston or DC) the media glare is intense so it comes with territory.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            is the glare so bright that we can’t even see when we’re being a little irrational about a certain QB?

            Are we talking about trading Cutler if he throws those picks against Buffalo but the Bears stop one of the drives and the Bears win?
            Are we talking about trading Cutler if Olsen drops that TD pass and the Bears stop the Panthers and we’re 6-4?

            See what i mean?

          • BerwynBomber

            Actually I don’t. Virtually every team in the league has games that could be flipped in hindsight for wins that would change the tenor of conversations in their respective cities.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            Yeah, except you guys are caught up in trade talk as a result when it could easily be playoff talk. All or nothing here I guess. It’s a shame

          • BerwynBomber

            Blogfather wrote a post about trade talk. I’m happy to discuss the pending TB game, the Bears in their entirety, the rest of the season, etc. Hell, I was one of the few that was fine, other than STs, with the Minny game. But you’re the one that goes fucking nuclear if anything remotely negative is said about Cutler. Bottom line he plays the most important position on the team and he is the highest paid player in the league this year. Yeah, he’s under a microscope. It comes with the territory.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            negative talk and trade talk are way different things

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            Point being if we are 6-4 with Cutler’s numbers as they are I would hope there wouldn’t be trade talk but who knows with Chicago fans and media
            Luckily our D fucking sucks so here we are.

          • TheBigCheesy

            No one here is complaining about cutler as a human being. They are complaining about his substandard play.

          • GPLDAN

            I think the consensus is:

            Cutler is neither the problem nor the solution. He has a great back, he has two Pro Bowl wideouts, and arguably a Pro Bowl TE. His line is now serviceable and gives him protection.

            Trestman has made allusions to the problems he has with Jay audibling out of runs into passes, Trestman would not have even said it if it wasn’t an issue for him, given how pussy and unable to call ANYTHING out – be he called that out.

            So Jay is a bit good, a bit bad. For the money, he needs to be transcendent, but he isn’t. He’s better than Alex Smith, better than Kap on the Niners, but isn’t Kumar and isn’t Rodgers or Manning or Brady. Ok. Fine.

            But Cheesy’s point is well taken: only so much money to go around. If Cutler wants to be part of the solution for next year, he can agree to restructure.

          • BerwynBomber

            You had me until your last graph. Unlike most, I have no problem with Cheesy. (He makes more sense than half the diehards.) But Cutler to restructure? I don’t see that happening. Almost no one does that (to the team’s benefit) in the NFL and reasons are simple: brutal sport/short careers.

            More likely the Bears will see if there are suitors for either Cutler or BMarsh, but most likely both return and we try to fix the D on the cheap.

            Where Cheesy was right is that we are paying a king’s ransom for this offense: Cutler, Marshall, Forte, Bennett and Bushrod are all making big bucks and Jeffrey and Long will eventually want their pay too. (I assume Slauson is not league minimum either.)

            I don’t know how much is coming off the books on the D side. Briggs and Peanut for sure but even Allen we are stuck with another year.

          • John Doe

            Your Andrew Luck envy is pathetic. Andrew Luck took his team to playoffs as a rookie. And today he is a 3rd year player and you are comparing Cutler, a 9 year veteran to him.

            Meanwhile your 9 year veteran Cutler leads rookie Blake Bortles in turnover. Cutler getting paid like a top 10 QB and producing at a rookie level.

            You want to compare Jay Cutler? compare him to Jeff George.

            Jay Cutler will always be a loser. He doesn’t have the mental make up, the mental discipline to be a winner. He has never won anything.. Vanderbilit, Broncos, Bears and never will. Cutler is one of the biggest cry baby in the NFL and no wonder his fanboys are also the worst cry babies.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            i’ve watched every colt game this year and love Luck. I can still be disgusted at how the media slants the results of his turnovers and failures while exulting his successes. He plays in the AFC South and him going to the playoffs in his first year which was effectively the same team that had run the table for years before Curtis Painter took over to make sure Luck was selected was more about the division than his performance.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            a rookie, haha, funny. Troll.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            if cutler played like Luck this year we maybe have 1 more win than we do right now AT MOST. His 10 picks if as a Bear would have been just as heartbreaking as the other team drove 45, 60, 75, 90, 95 yds, wherever they started from.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Oooof. That is how you dish out a “hot-take”

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            Bullshit. That was laughable. Another Bortles and George post. Lazy bullshit.

      • TheBigCheesy

        The seven day eradication of the cheese troll was supposed to be the incentive.

  • wreckinball

    All depends on whether there is interest in a Jay trade. He’s got a huge contract. He is not a proven winner. He is not young.

    I think he stays. If the Bears finish strong they stand pat. Even mediocre they will keep him. If they implode on a flurry of turnovers no one will want him,

    Too many $$s to cut

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      You know the blog is fucked when you’re a fucking regular now and MB and MBHP and Doc are less visible and Crown is gone and Ghost dies and i’m stuck here with motherfuckers like you. I kick myself every time i respond to you or some other random fucking Kap and Haugh. You blog killing bastard. Just stick with your shit box Cubs. You don’t deserve a response from me but i was waiting for a fucking flight and got roped into several hours of lunacy.

      • GPLDAN

        Jericho!

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        i am lashing out at you because the other guys are called like bears1000785788 and i have no fucking clue who they are or where they came from. At least i know you are TJ the whiny pussy Cubs fan who has been fucking around here from time to time.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          ah fuck it, what good does it do. Proceed with your fucking idiocy. I apologize for giving you grief.

          • wreckinball

            Dude take a chill

            idiocy is thinking Jay ranks just behind Rodgers Yeah maybe a smidgeon and about at least fifteen others on any given Sunday

            But you are very Internet tough

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            i’m not trying to be tough, you guys are just that annoying. why would i want my favorite blog to have turned into this shit hole it is now with this new batch of regulars? why would i want to talk about that shit? trade talk after a fucking win. so cubs.

          • John Doe

            Blog is shit hole because Jay Cutler is shit hole and the team is shit hole. Take his useless stats that you like so much and shove them you know where.

            What was so great about that Minny win? The game was a joke between two of the worst teams. Any other team with semblance of a competent QB and offense would have smoked Bears.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            wow.

            anyone else here want to have a go at this gem?

          • EnderWiggin

            All yers man. It is getting harder to read around here though.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            nope, i’m done. if others won’t say something i won’t be the only one. We win a fun game, the D does well, our offense moves the ball and we’re talking trades. Haha, i’m out for a couple of days.

          • Cormonster

            I here ya Johnny, but you just have to ignore threads like this. Personally, I skipped over every comment about Jay today. Fastest I’ve got through this many posts other than game day in a long time. Your wasting your time arguing this topic. I knew this thread would be a quick read after Jeff posted his article. The Jay topic has been argued to the point of being boring.

      • FQD1911

        MB being gone really does suck…I pretty much read all of his comments lol

  • FQD1911

    first off, Big Cheesy can eat a big fat one.

    Secondly, I 110% agree with this. When the trade went down, I literally thought the Bears would make the SB within 3 years of his tenure. He was coming off his best statistical year of his career and coming to QB carousel central BKA Chicago Bears. Although there have been gut-wrenching bad times, there have been times where Jay has made unbelievable throws that 3 other QBs could attempt and/or complete. The Bears need to retool the defense and give us a chance to make a LEGITIMATE opinion on #6.

    After thinking on it a bit, I really would not mind seeing Trestman stay as well. There is a working relationship between Cutler, Marshall, Jeffery, and he because they made it work in the first year.

  • wreckinball

    So it’s established Cutler is just as good or better than Luck Wilson Big Ben

    WTF is everyone complaining about?

  • BerwynBomber

    “Second, if the Bears traded Jay Cutler it would be pure, unadulterated stupidity; a short-sighted, cave-to-the-crowd mistake by an organization that has completely lost direction.”:

    Btw, this is one of the most asinine lines Blogfather has ever written. Even w/out debating the pros and cons of Cutler, there are only a half-dozen to a dozen untradeable guys in the NFL, and Jay Cutler is not even on the top 100 on that list given his salary.

    The closest the Bears have to untradeable assets are Fuller, Long and Jeffery — because of their youth, talent/upside and franchise-friendly salaries.

    • wreckinball

      He’s untradeable because no one wants him for $50 mill

      • BerwynBomber

        I meant to say “untouchable” and edited my comment to reflect that.

        • wreckinball

          Agree with your take on the keepers

  • BillW

    Here I think is the source of some of the contention on this thread. Jeffs headline says bears should commit more resources to support cutler. . Sounds like get even more offensive weapons.

    I think his point is better summed up by saying the Bears need to keep building the defense rather than start over with a new qb

    As maddening as the ints and fumbles are cutler is in fact by far the best qb on the Bears in my over 60 years of life. Damning with faint praise perhaps but true

    So why roll the dice yet again? . Where do we get off thinking we’ll get someone better?.

    I think that is Jeff s only point. I can’t see how anyone can disagree

    • wreckinball

      Let’s hope he’s better than our QB for much of last year McCown this Sunday

    • TheBigCheesy

      You’re absolutely right about the headline sounding like one thing and the article sounding like another

      • BerwynBomber

        It’s a red meat headline. Smart of Blogfather if he wishes to boost the traffic (Cutler is, if nothing else, polarizing). But he tossed some red meat into the post itself — the trading Cutler would be “unadulterated stupidity” line being the most obvious.

  • Viva

    The dipshit sports media in Chicago has created a huge contingent of dipshit fans.

    • BillW

      I too often resemble that remark myself and end up feeling really bad. Dad uncle grandpa definitely shaking their heads when I do.

      If the Packers weren’t so successful (win loss wise)I don’t think it would be this bad.

    • EnderWiggin

      I was just thinking the same thing. They read so much idiocy and twist it to an even more idiocy. This blog used to point out every thing wrong with Chicago media while coming up with smart solutions that everyone could be objective about. Now, not so much. They read all of the negative BS and it just escalates in their noggins so much until they believe that Cutty is the antichrist.

      • wreckinball

        Whoaaa

        Don’t recall any comparisons to satan There was one to Jeff George though

        Maybe a better comparison is an extremely high paid Nick Foles

        • EnderWiggin

          There is the George comparison again. You must be Brian Billick. Or maybe you just read something he wrote and spewed it out with your own twist.

          • wreckinball

            Billick said it again on NFL radio last week So did someone else down below

            Others have stated he’s just as good as Luck Wilson and Big Ben

            He’s not George but he’s far closer to George than he is to that crowd

            Seems like many here are Jay fan club members or maybe related?

            The article was about Jay right?

            So it would seem OK to disagree with it

            I mean how crazy is that? Just nuts!

          • wreckinball

            Let’s see how he compares with Josh this weekend

      • Trac

        Truth and lies are not that far apart. We’re talking a difference of degree’s. I love me some Jericho Johnny but Cutty has never been the player that this fan hoped he would be. Emery now has his work cut out for him and that should be building a stellar Arizonaesc team. Cutty can thrive once our D is top ten.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Johnny waffle has been reduced to blaming the bears’ woes on the inability of the bears offensive players to tackle defensive backs. That is not satire. It sounds like satire, but it isn’t. He’s deflected cutler criticism with that complaint multiple times over the last few weeks.

    In my opinion, that settles it. That is the most ludicrous defense of Jay Cutler I have ever heard. I think this is waffles way of conceding the point. Waffle as we all know is physically incapable of condemning Jay Cutler, but I think this is as close as he can possibly get.

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      What are you talking about? I’m referring to almost every turnover resulting in the opposing teams offense starting their own scoring drive. Same as Jeff in his article. What the fuck are you talking about?

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        Seriously, stop this shit.

  • Old broken romanian Jericho

    Jeff, you’ve lost mb, doc,crown and countless others. It’s not fun here so good luck with your new crew. New job starts tomorrow no time for this. Good timing for everyone.

    • EnderWiggin

      Good luck at the new job. Hate to see you go. You’ve always dealt with ass-hats so well in the past.

    • TheBigCheesy

      See you after the Bears beat Tampa this weekend. I’ll be looking forward to your breakdown of the Bears’ path to the playoffs.

      • dude. can’t go 13-6 without losing 6 games.

        • TheBigCheesy

          Bears can’t finish 13-6. Either 14-6 or 13-7. Unless you think 10-6 is good enough for a first round bye… but it’s not.

          • touché.

            dude. can’t go 14-6 without losing 6 games.

    • Viva

      Good luck Johnny…something tells me you would be underpaid wherever you go.

    • Trac

      Yes, even I don’t enjoy this blog like I used to. Just remember Yonny that perseverance is the key to almost anything in life. I think you are one of the last entertaining personalities left on da blog. Best wishes Yonny.

    • Scott W.

      No, Jeff didn’t lose them. Jeff, though I disagree with him often enough, is still the great writer and analyst he’s been for years.
      Ya know, those guys and most of us clamored and clamored for a new home when Jeff took us to CN to make some dough to pay the rent. So he did, and here we are.
      Where is the money to pay for it coming from? Not us.
      People come and go. Seen it dozens of times. I’ve left for stretches then returned.
      Jeff didn’t “Lose” anyone. They left. The Bears also imploded, and I don’t think the timing is coincidental.
      Personally, I think this is the best place on the net for serious Bears fans. Relatively troll-free, and – well – free, at least for us.
      Not sure what everyone wants, or what the big to-do is, but people are either going to hang around and post, or they aren’t. It isn’t complicated, and it sure as hell isn’t Jeff’s fault.

      • GPLDAN

        Well said.

      • The Ghost of Crown

        Whether Johnny was right or wrong I’m thinking he was referring to the blog losing regulars because of the negativity and not Jeff losing regular readers. Who knows. I’m not defending him, I just don’t think he meant what it the way Scott W. read it.

        • BillW

          That’s how I read it too. Jeff stays out it completely as he should.

          I suggested a while ago – with seriousness – that perhaps there could be a “invite only” board. It does seem that many regulars (departed or not) take some of the comments and opinions as intruding on the preferred conversation. I’m not being critical at all in saying that.

          The bar analogy was the best. I’ve seen this happen in Lincoln Park at a few places. A bar with a bunch of old timers from the neighborhood – Cheers like – that turns into a place for the “yuppies” to hang out. Gradually the old-timers find another place or just stop going anywhere at all.

          Don’t know the solution.

          • The Ghost of Crown

            I don’t think so. I think that you and Scott do make a valid point in that this is a place for guys to come and talk football and guys will come and go. Some guys will be homers and some guys will be antagonistic, it’s just a sample section of the real world I guess.

    • as mb said countless times, “i’m gonna tell you guys a secret – i don’t even read what jeff writes most of the time.”

      so i don’t think jeff lost him. i think the bears lost him.

    • CanadaBear

      See ya down the road Johnny.

    • Cormonster

      Good luck with the new job Waffle.

  • Big Mike

    I thought I had stumbled into the ESPN comment section for a minute. Time to take the game up a notch.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I agree. I’d keep Cutler, but I’d search for a potential franchise QB and draft him no matter the round. Even first round.

    The Bears need more than just a better defense, they also need a proper running game.

    And field turf.

    PS: I don’t know if the Defense problems are a result of personnel. The talent on D at individual level is visible, a Chicago Bears DC that belongs would have this group way higher in the rankings.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I also remember an article from more than 1 year ago when Jeff was telling people that didn’t like becoming an potent offensive team with shitty defense that this is the way to do it.

      The Chicago Bears are a defensive minded team. It’s in the DNA. The Bears can never win without a potent D. Not while playing in Windy City and especially not on that 3rd would country crappy field.

      • Trac

        I agree with this which is why I saw the need for drafting Mosley.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Fuller is a beast and a much better pick. I’d rather lament not drafting that young LB the 49ers got than Mosley.
          You draft LB that high only if they’re elite. I don’t know if Mosley is that, I think he’s just good.

          • Trac

            Not saying otherwise. I’m just not sure he’s the payer you build your D around. Also, Mosley will prolly be Defensive rook of the year.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            yeah… I’m not into awards and stuff like that.

          • fuller was on his way to ROY before he broke his hand. he’d have 13 INTS by now.

          • Trac

            Again, I love his play but this team needed a leader on D. A field general. You’re gonna be hard pressed to find a smarter LB coming outta the draft than mosley.

          • TheBigCheesy

            only 13?????

          • and 8 FF.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    You guys think like me that Jeff had this article already prepared and only ‘posted’ it now, after a win to keep the traffic rolling ?
    He did say losing makes for crazy site traffic, so after a Bears win he had do come with something special.

    • Scott W.

      No.

  • Philfromsatx

    I too liked Jeff’s post – dragged me back to reality. Bad as Jay’s been and disappointing (and unexpected) as the offensive non-production has been, it pales in comparison with the disaster of our D. So the essence of his post makes sense. The question is whether this HC and GM has the ability to rebuild our D in the same way they did our O. Obviously we need better players and didn’t count on Peanut going down. I’ve been shocked at the poor play of Jennings, didn’t see that coming either, thought I could count on him. It seems very obvious that Tucker must be replaced, I thought he was bad last year but this year it’s definitive.

    But I believe one of the most overlooked facets of our decline this year is our ST’s – the comparison of this year’s ST’s compared to where we were with Dave Toub and Devin Hester – even a Hester in decline – has affected us in every single game this year. Too lazy to look it up but we have to be worst in the league in starting position. Is it really that hard to find a reasonable kick returner (we return a lot of them this year, don’t we?) and some blockers and a scheme to block for him? As soon as I heard we hired Dicamillo I knew we were in trouble. Punt coverage has been pretty good and thankfully we have a kicker that makes kick coverage a non-issue. But we start every drive from the 20 AT BEST – if Williams brings it out we’re guaranteed something short of that. I had to just Google to even remember his same and pleased to see we signed a new guy, Mariani – good start. But a different ST coach next year is imperative.

    So… New D and ST coordinators, better linebackers safeties and another Fuller, a better than average returner, and there you have it! Turnaround 2015!

    • Shady

      Old man Riverwalk! What’s it been, about a decade? Not often we see legacy bloggers around here anymore. Ironic you post this week considering so many regs have “jumped ship” recently. I wonder if any of the old regs like bDot, Midway, Mike or Rancid post under different handles. I have a preminition ole Cheesy is really Windy City Packer Fan, but I could be wrong. Anywho, welcome back!

      • Philfromsatx

        Shady, great to hear from you brother! Someday I feel like writing about our old struggles with PO’d – remember him? I remember getting very worked up about his doubting my Bear fan bonafides, some passionate posting following. I miss all those guys you mention too, especially Rancid. Here we are in the middle of one more sucky season, achhh! Have to relay one funny thing – late in the week following the Packers debacle (the second one) I hadn’t had time to check in on any Bears news and asked my Bear fan partner-in-crime son (now 16) – “what’s happening??? ANYBODY been fired yet? What’s Trestman saying?” He says back to me in Trestman voice “We’re okay, we’re calm, we’re not changing anything.” We stared at each other for a second and then both busted up laughing. THAT’S how bad it’s become – they’re so bad it’s funny. What do you call that? Oh yeah, a LAUGHINGSTOCK. Oh well.

  • Scott W.

    Ok. Yeah, I can buy in on Cutler; there’s always been something that kept me from going full-bore disgust on him.
    Trestman, Tucker and Emery? Failures. Fire them at seasons end, hit a reset button.

    • BearDown100393

      Who are the potential candidates for GM and Head Coach who want to inherit Cutler as the starting QB, you have in mind?

      • Scott W.

        Like I told Dave, who regularly dumps beer in my lap for suggesting the firings: I don’t know. I’m just so disgusted with the direction Emery has taken (not the idea, just the coaching), that I think he’s the man responsible for this mess.
        I’m not sold on anyone in particular, and no, I don’t want change for the sake of change. I just think Emery and Trestman have seriously blown it.

  • GPLDAN

    Lack is going be on the Score at 9:40am with Mannelly.

    The teasers make it seem as if he’s going to openly wish for the Bucs and Lovie to come in here and whip the Bears. Listen for yourself to find out.

    • Trac

      I didn’t hear one sour grapes comment from Lach and he gave a good interview.

      • GPLDAN

        ok I didn’t have time to listen so thanks.

  • GPLDAN

    I installed a little counter app on my phone. I ride the Metra every workday and sometimes weekends to come into the city. I started clicking once for Bears swag, once for Packers swag on the train. The commuter train to downtown CHICAGO. Not Milwaukee.

    After two weeks, the score is:

    Packers: 26
    Bears: 8

    Sounds like the football score after the first quarter. My daughter who is 8, asked if we could switch to being Packer fans because all the kids in her suburban school are doing that. Score picks a Packers Pats Super Bowl.

    You would think this trend would be noticeable to the George McCaskeys of the world. This town is starting to abandon this team en masse. I wear my Bears scarf on cold days and people actually snicker at it on the train. If I were Luftwaffle I would have probably Jericho’ed a few haters by now, but I’ve got no time or inclination for fisticuffs on the train. Save that shit of the NFL parking lot, this team isn’t worth sticking up for.

    • Trac

      Hahaha. Sad but funny post in a sick way. My son has said the same thing to me about the Bears and when they play the Cheese he always says, “you know the Bears are going lose, right”. He never says it to be a smart ass, just like he’s stating a fact.

    • Scott W.

      “…Jericho’d a few haters…”
      God I love that line.

      • BearDown100393

        What is that exactly?

        • GPLDAN

          It comes from the first Iron Man movie when he shows off the missle system. It means to nuke somebody, flame them. It’s just more entertaining.

          • BearDown100393

            Got it. I guess I was under the false impression it was in reference to a seemingly deranged individual who rapid fires “fuck” or “cocksucker” on a keyboard while gagging on a plastic dildo inscribed Model #6 Cutty. Relieved to be proven wrong.

    • TheBigCheesy

      I highly doubt Chicago will actually ever give up on the Bears. The Cubs’ popularity is the proof in the pudding.

  • CanadaBear

    I wouldn’t get too worked up over a bunch of kids in Packers gear. Kids are front runners. They like whichever team is winning at the time. Even if Cook County is turning into Door County South there will still be a waiting line a mile long for season tix. Let’s be honest, as dumb as most of the idiots are on talk radio, I’m pretty sure we could loan the Fudgies a bunch of those beauties.

  • CanadaBear

    For those of you that don’t hate Lovie, here’s a nice piece on him from the Sun-Times.

    http://chicagosuntimes.com/sports/revered-and-feared-lovie-preached-d-and-his-bears-listened/

    • Scott W.

      I don’t miss him as a head coach. I do miss his defenses.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        I don’t miss Lovie’s Defense…I miss the Players Lovie Had on his Defense and the inner fire they had that could generate turnovers.

        • Scott W.

          I think he had a lot to do with that. He had a knack for using the very talented players he had at his disposal. Unlike the Great Change, where Trestman could, I think, ruin Aaron Rodgers.

        • Trac

          Lovie took the players under him and made them better. Even Lach. That (those attributes)was very much on coaching 4-ever.

          • John Doe

            Lovie has decent enough talent on defense in Tampa right now. And his defense is not doing much better than Tucker’s defense. Not defending Tucker and I want Tucker fired yesterday but..

            If Lovie was such a defensive genius, why is his defense struggling as much as Tucker’s defense?

          • Trac

            Both their starting DE are on IR and McCoy has been hurt almost all season. Huge factor.

          • SC Dave

            One could argue that they improved under Lovie. But any *professional* works to get better at his job.

        • SC Dave

          THIS! I’ve been on this tack for weeks now.

          People don’t REALLY think it was Ditka or Ryan that made the guys on the field play that way, do they?

          Payton, McMahon, Hampton, SIngletary – those are the guys that made it happen. Like Mike Brown (while he lasted) and Urlacher did for Lovie’s defenses.

  • Scott W.

    You know, it’s a mystery to me why the McCaskey’s have done such a poor job of producing a quality product. I know I sound a little out of it when I wax nostalgic for the Kyle Orton days (and I know it’s ridiculous compared to having Jay Cutler, but I liked the guy and still do), but it seemed that at one time not so long ago, it was important to have a great defense in Chicago, and the McCaskey’s hired accordingly. They produced some awesome defenses through their coaching decisions over the years.
    I know they wanted to “upgrade” to catch up to the offenses around the league, I get that. So they traded for Cutler, brought in Marshall, hired Emery who begat Trestman, and on it goes. Meanwhile, the defense seemed to become an afterthought. It’s like Emery is sorta deciding who gets to stay and play on defense – a Jerry Jones light – and now finds himself in the crosshairs for Trestman (and Cutler, to a degree) while all along, I think that’s why he was hired in the first place.
    The Trestman hire was a mistake, just like the McClellin decision, the Allen decision (very weird; who the hell couldn’t see he’d lost a step and was only a shadow of his former self?), and the Mel Tucker debacle. I could live with lousy Special Teams, but it SUCKS to have a defense that is absolutely horrible. I’ll admit I do blame part of that on Briggs. He could be really making an effort to lead, even if he can’t play at his old levels. He doesn’t seem to give a rats ass about the team he once prided himself for being on, which is sad. Losing Peanut was tough. He may not have been as fast or physical as he once was, but damn, that man has some football IQ. A less fragile Mike Brown.
    So maybe the answer isn’t to fire Emery. Maybe just bring in a helluva DC with some personnel decision-making power at his disposal, and yes, Fire Marc Trestman. He just can’t hang with the big boys, and he’s sure as hell got the firepower to do it.
    I don’t know if Shanahan is the answer here though. Maybe. His RGIII embarrassment doesn’t speak well of him. Harbaugh? Maybe, but he’s a pretty volatile guy. Rex Ryan at DC? Dunno about that one either. It might be wishful thinking to believe he’d be the Messiah defensively.

    • Trac

      Now you know why they told Emery he had to keep Lovie the first year on the job. Lovie was gold for them and they prolly knew that getting my rid of him might not pan out.

      • BearDown100393

        Gold is not exactly making the playoffs only 1 out of every 3 seasons.

        • Scott W.

          I think Trac was zeroing in on Lovie’s defenses, which were without doubt a quality bunch, year in and year out. Lovie just couldn’t figure out how to make the offense as explosive.

          • BearDown100393

            No argument there regarding Lovie Smith’s defense.

        • Trac

          There was enough there for fans to start expecting championships. What they (McCaskeys)didn’t expect were the billboards popping up that embarrassed them when Angelo crapped the bed with Martz.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Marc Trestman should go. But if it happens I’m going to rather be surprised since it would mean the Ownership actually doing something quickly to fix something. As for Harbaugh being volatile, I can’t remember a Bears coach being volatile at all since Dikta. Maybe that’s what we need. I do not miss Lovie in the least, but the staff we have now is no better. Which is really sad. The Bears are pathetic right now….it’s going to change for the better since I don’t think it could get any worse. I think the hole is so deep that this team may not even be able to crawl out by next season. But if it takes 2 seasons to get back to a Bears team we can be proud of I’m all for whatever it takes to get there. Bear Down.

    • CanadaBear

      Not sure why you keep hating on Briggs. He played well last week. He brought the energy and a bit of pain. No he’s not the pro-bowler of yesteryear but he still brings it. Here’s a story from the Sun-Times. If this article doesn’t tell all you need to know about these d coaches, nothing will.

      http://chicagosuntimes.com/sports/jennings-bears-defense-held-players-only-film-session/

      • Scott W.

        Great piece – glad Jennings is taking the helm; someone needed to. Briggs just doesn’t look like he gives a shit out there, Canada. I don’t see it. I’m not “hating” on him, but I do think he’s all but checked out. Just my opinion, written while wearing my PJ’s on a brisk winters day in my living room – how much more cred could I possibly have?

      • Big Mike

        Because he’s a POS leader.

        • CanadaBear

          Really Mike? 7-time pro-bowler, led the team in tackles for years. He and #54 just killed it on D for years. Briggs isn’t a leader, I get that. POS is beyond harsh.

          • Big Mike

            You are right. He’s a great LB. I used to love the guy. My comment was about his leadership “POS Leader” That’s what I meant and even that was too harsh.

            His reluctance to stand up and lead this defense is disheartening. Why wasn’t he first on the ball when GB scooped and scored 15 seconds after everyone stopped moving? Why, Why, Why.. Not to mention his attitude, I was so thoroughly disgusted by his “watching the clock” comment and that was compounded by his blown call against GB that left their best receiver wide open. (See the Sun-times article where he admits it).

          • Trac

            #1 reason Mike. This team doesn’t buy into Tucker and Tresty.

          • BillW

            I think you are correct but a good team leader would put that aside during game prep and certainly during the game. You have a job to do that you are VERY well compensated for. DO IT to the best of your ability and that includes locker room leadership in some form or another. Not acknowledge zoning out in meetings even if true. Not abusing the trust of your HC by asking for a day off without telling him why – letting him seem out of control when the reason comes out. (Sure – if it were truly personal there is no reason to tell Tresty, but it wasn’t. He had to know – or at least should have known – it would lead to media and fan criticism (fair or not).

            OK – so you wish Rod and Lovie were still here. They AREN’T. It was a business when you threatened to hold out right? So why can’t you get over the business aspect and move on?

          • Trac

            I listened to a Lach interview on the score this morning. The problem with bad coaching is that the players tend to adopt the mindset that it’s the coaches and not there play. Lach said that when Lovie first arrived, Lach thought he was as good as he could be but found out through Lovies coaching and drills that Lovie made him a much better player.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t disagree. My point was Briggs didn’t step up, he stepped back.
            IMHO I don’t think the defense wasn’t going to buy into anyone but Lovie. They grew up with Lovie, He built a great defensive football team. They invested heavily on that side of the ball. As for Tucker, he’s C- material. Out coached every week.

      • BearDown100393

        Not unlike others, Lance Briggs has never gotten over Lovie Smith’s departure. He is very accepting that this season almost certainly is the end for him in Chicago. For the past 2 seasons, he has either played like the Briggs of old or an old Lance Briggs. However when reviewing his entire body of work as a Chicago Bear, he has been an exceptional player.

      • SC Dave

        ” “It lies on us. At the end of the day, we’re out there executing the plays and making things happen. So we had to take it upon us. ”

        I’ve been saying this for six weeks. This is what it is. The guys on the field need to make fucking plays. All this bullshit about “buying in” is exactly that.

    • Big Mike

      What happens is that the window closed on the great defense they had. Guys got older. Drafts were weak. They help out trying to fix the offense in a hurry to grab one last shot at glory. That got us Emery. 10-6 missing the playoffs brought us Trestman. By that time, the offense line was basically a developmental squad. It was either that or get Cutler killed. So they invested there and the defense got even older AND they were pissed at losing Lovie. Special teams took a dive and haven’t stopped since Toub and Lovie left. It’s one thing to talk about teams being important, but Lovie Smith lived it, breathed it, coached it and it was highly valued. Trestman and DeCamillas, not so much. Bears got caught trying to rebuild both sides of the ball on the fly. The good news is we have some talent on offense and have found a few pieces on defense.

      • BillW

        I don’t know if you’re considered an ass-hat or a solid contributor (see my recent post for the reference) but I myself think this is a sold concise analysis of the state of the Bears.

        • Big Mike

          I was considered a new guy. I’ve been posting on the Blog for about 4 years now. I discovered the site amidst the wreckage of the Caleb Hanie era. I found the blog to be a voice of reason. Passionate fans, but more knowledgeable about football by 100x than the typical comment section. What I have enjoyed that the debate was not personal, but related to X’s and O’s. I’m a student of the game as much as a fan. I’ve been a youth football coach for over 10 years. I coach 8th grade kids trying to get them ready for HS. I really like breaking down game film. I do the whole NFL Game rewind to watch the All 22 view. I dislike FF. I almost punched a guy claiming to be a Bears fan while cheering for Calvin Johnson while the Bears played Detroit. In the last month, I’ve been close to signing off the board, when politics, personal beefs etc got into the mix. If you don’t like my opinion, whether it is on X’s and O’s, Football Personnel, the front office so be it, but tell me why you think differently.

          • BillW

            Sounds pretty solid to me. Nice to “meet” you.

          • Big Mike

            Same here. I might still be an asshat. But not because of my views on the bears 🙂

        • Scott W.

          Bill, not smackin’ you here, but do you think maybe you worry a bit much about other posters and their status on the board, partner?
          We are all just commenters on Jeff’s terrific site, Bill. There isn’t a hierarchy.

          • BillW

            That was tongue in check. I’m not into emoticons or what ever they are.

            I don’t judge other posters at all. There are certainly those that use those terms and I was satirizing them in this post and my other one.

      • Scott W.

        Not bad, partner. Not bad at all.

    • BearDown100393

      Perhaps it is semantics, but the mistake was not hiring Bruce Arians and simply allowing him to choose his own defensive coordinator (instead of insisting upon Rod Marinelli who was going to leave anyway). Arians wanted the job but not the stipulation. If this is all how it really went down, I cannot fault Arians for going to Arizona instead.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        It’s all connected. They couldn’t allow Arians to come up with his own DC because that DC wouldn’t have accepted Bears D personnel. He plays a Defensive style totally opposite on the 4-3 the Bears used. Why was Emery tied up by D personnel ? Because he had to keep Lovie for a year and he lost the last year of a great Defense. If you think about it the McClellin pick was logic in that sense. Have a building block in place if the D would have changed scheme.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      He brought in Allen because he understood they lack leaders especially on Defense. Plus Allen is a productive player, plays the run very well and gets lots of pressures. Crappy field doesn’t help, he’s a field turf DE.

      He overpaid , but the sign was a good one and totally understandable.

  • Cubs_Questions

    I’m a little late to the party, but this is my 2 cents. Look at the predecessors to Cutler from 2003: Kordell Stewart, Chris Chandler, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson, Jonathan Quinn, Kyle Orton, Brian Griese, Rex Grossman. 8 different starters from 2003 to 2008 with the only consistency being Orton and Grossman.

    In my opinion, Cutler is the most talented QB out of anyone in that group. In 2012, the Bears went 10-5 in Cutler starts, the last time they had a respectable defense. By contrast, in 2013, during Josh McCown starts the Bears were just 3-2 despite 13 TDs and just 1 INT by McCown.

    Extrapolating that to a full season makes the Bears 9-6 with a toss up game. With a QB playing out of his mind. Because the defense was and is abysmal.

    This is all to say that until the defense improves, it is unfair to place the blame squarely on Cutler. The Bears play calling isn’t great, and neither are the coaches.

    After reading that during Bruce Arian’s interview “Emery required Arians to be put through a mock press conference and the Bears’ general manager also was going to dictate what Arians could do with the coaching staff” after Arians had won coach of the year, I’m fed up with the FO and the coaching staff.

    Source: http://dawindycity.com/2014/11/10/chicago-bears-head-coach-marc-trestman-borrowed-time/

    I like this blog a lot, and it seems there is quite a proud community here, so I hope to not ruffle any feathers. Thanks.

    • Trac

      Ha, I happen to love ruffles.

    • SC Dave

      I don’t think a whole lot of people are placing the blame solely on Cutler. Many of us are just not willing to give him a pass because the defense sucks. Someone (BB?) posted that it’s not like we lost those games 50-35.

      After last season, the expectations were that this offense could WIN a shoot-out or few this season. So far, no good.

  • TheBigCheesy

    “Wrote when schedule came out NFL missed boat not scheduling Bears v. Bucs in September. Was right. Game lost tons of juice w/forms of teams.”

    Jeff, you’re right about that. However, if the Bears managed to lose this weekend, it would be as juicy as it gets. Trestman would be finished (if he isn’t finished already) and Lovie will have delivered the fatal blow. You can’t ask for a more intriguing subplot than that.

    • TheBigCheesy

      And what if somehow Josh McCown outplays Cutler? I don’t think that will happen, and I don’t think it would truly affect the organizations feelings toward Cutler, but could you imagine the discussion on Monday morning? Johnny Waffle would be catatonic.

  • BillW

    Sorry to see Johnny Waffle Jericho go. I was finally getting to understand him. Never disliked him (or MB for that matter) even if it seemed that way; I just grow uncomfortable reading some of the language because I visualize it being said out loud. I’m a pretty old guy for internet posting I guess. Most don’t have a problem with it apparently.

    I found this blog back in ’06 and it was fun to talk about having what turned into a SB team.

    Not at all a regular but I did read from time to time and give my opinions based on a maybe way too much Bears watching.

    I like reading and talking about the Bears. I can easily dimiss things like lazy Jeff George comparisons because I figure that person either isn’t thinking it through or is too young to really analyze the entirety of the situation.

    And some of my opinions about Trestman I later realized came off the same way.

    There is a regular crowd here that seem to “know” each other very well. To be honest, while I could recite the screen names of about 10 or more people, I don’t remember their “personalities” or viewpoints. I couldn’t tell you who is pro or anti Cutler, Trestman, Emery, etc.

    I couldn’t tell you who is considered an ass-hat vs a solid contributor.

    Because I really don’t give a shit. I just want to get and give opinions about the Bears.

    Which is REALLY hard for all of us to do when we are in this state:
    The D and specials suck but Emery seems to know that and can only do so much each given year.
    The offense should be scoring much more even though it might have only led to one or two more wins.

    In other words this is a surprisingly disappointing team but most of us still or want to see hope. Because we’re Bear fans.

    • johnnywad

      Two wins would be huge right now my man

      • BillW

        Absolutely. And hence the surprising disappointment. We can point to BOTH sides of the ball as to why we are 4-6 vs 6-4. Thus the contention on this blog.

        But Jeff’s article should remind us of one thing – there is no viable alternative at QB for next year. Period. It reminded ME why I was on board with the signing in the first place.

    • Trac

      When I die, please don’t give my eulogy. Hahaha

      • BillW

        Agreed!

  • BillW

    It’s probably too late but
    All the best to you with your new job Jericho!

  • BillW

    Off topic lunch time post:
    Got a survey invite from the Bears as a season ticket holder. It was VERY long and was all about the game day stadium experience. You know – video board, player intros. how difficult to get to game and then go home. Actually asked about things like the doughnut races on the video board. All the questions were scale of 1-10 things.

    Then the last one was “tell us anything else that would improve your game day experience”.

    Don’t have my exact response but in general I said I felt it would be more enjoyable if we had a team run by a football man rather than a finance guy. That I felt the Bears as organized were not set up for sustained success – and realizing that does hurt their overall competitiveness which affects the game day experience.

    Oh – I also said somewhere else that I feel insulted when I’m asked -/ told to cheer. Especially the phony noise-o-meter.

    They asked age, number of years having season tickets, things like that. I hope others responded similar.

    This is the new reality though. I’m not saying they don’t care about winning. But the reality of a 32 team league says most teams will not be contenders. So they have to do something else to make it worth coming to the games.

    • GPLDAN

      So they have to do something else to make it worth coming to the games.

      Two words: Honey Bears.

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