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DBB Poll: Should the Bears Trade Jay Cutler?

| December 23rd, 2014

My answer is two-fold.

Yes, the Bears should trade Jay Cutler if the new head coach would like to move in a different direction at the position. The Bears can no longer plan organizationally around a player so enigmatic.The next head coach needs to be empowered moving forward.

No, the Bears shouldn’t trade Jay Cutler just because they are tired of him. When the Bears don’t ask Cutler to throw it 40 times and put up 30 points, he’s been a winning player. The numbers completely support that. Bears won’t find better over next two seasons.

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  • Bender McLugh

    Anyone know if Rex has an issue with Cutler?

    • CanadaBear

      Everyone has an issue with Cutler!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • DaBearsBlog

        Once again this is not true. And that will be obvious when the trade market fires up.

        • CanadaBear

          We’ll see Jeff. I think he comes back with a new HC and GM. I also see second (or third, fourth, fifth) verse same as the first.

          • BerwynBomber

            Another OC will be forced to walk the Cutty plank.

        • wreckinball

          The trade market will be OK for lousy deals ie 4th round pick and you pick up half his salary.

          Don’t think anyone will pick up the deal in its entirety and don’t think we’ll see anything higher than a 3rd

          • Peanut FTW

            There will be offers for Cutler, there are plenty of teams in spots like Houston and Buffalo where he would be a huge instant upgrade. Money vs pick options can all be worked out, there are clauses in every contract protecting both parties, it’s why there are so many attorney’s involved. If they clean house from HC down, Cutler will be traded.

          • wreckinball

            Hope you are right but I think any GM who pays even mid range starting salary and gives up a 2nd or better will be fired if history repeats.

            We are at the end of the Jeff George syndrome. Two chances one ridiculous contract. Third chance is a WTF I’ll take him for backup $$s

          • Peanut FTW

            Micheal Vick

          • wreckinball

            Good example Also Vinny

          • bloomie1937

            i see a possible deal for Carson Palmer, but he is pretty fragile, so once we’ve cleaned house in the FO and bench, we’d be better off with the devil we know. As to a coach:
            1. Harbaugh
            2. Fisher
            there is no 3. Rex Ryan is arguably the worst coach in league history. I’d take his brother ahead of him and at least ten others. I think Singleterry would make a good GM..

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            what makes you think Singletary would be a good GM?

    • BearDown100393

      Grossman has a bigger issue with Cleveland. 🙂

    • bloomie1937

      Rex who?

  • GPLDAN

    Since the blog trends to keeping Cutler (stupid) – let me ask this:

    Do you bypass a coach who tells you he doesn’t want Cutler as his QB and won’t work with him?

    Because if you do, that’s a lot of coaches and you better go see who else in the CFL is available.

    • DaBearsBlog

      You don’t do anything to serve Cutler anymore.

      • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

        i’m sorry but getting NFL talent at key positions is not “serving” Cutler. Bringing in coaches that can put together an NFL caliber offensive gameplan is not “serving” Cutler.
        The Bears didn’t have talent at WR or OL when he got here.
        They tried and failed to draft that talent on the OL.
        They failed at bringing in talent in Free Agency at WR and TE to obtain that talent.
        They succeeded with Marshall at WR but didn’t address the line in 2012 and still had Kellen fucking Davis, Kyle Adams (who?) and Matt Spaeth as TE in 2012.
        They finally invest in a real TE, draft a 2nd rounder at WR, bring in a quality Left Tackle, sign Slauson and Britton on very friendly vet deals, draft 2 OL in 2013 and keep their same RB and center.
        If that is serving anything it’s serving the fans. Bringing in actual talent to compete with other teams’ talent.

      • bloomie1937

        He is clearly probationary wherever the coaching job lands. It is not vital IMO to waste a draft pick on a QB unless there is a nother Luck available. We need beef. Football is won or lost at the line of scrimmage. “Skill players” are vastly over-rated. The
        O line is a disaster. We need an Osborne and a Thayer at least.

    • willbest

      Well you hire your coach before FA. So your coach better understand the financial realities of the situation where, if you can’t find a reasonable trade partner for Cutler he is stuck with him for another year. You can then tell the coach go find the QB he wants in the draft, and he can develop him next year behind Cutler before you can cut Cutler reasonably or find a partner when he is owed less money.

      • bloomie1937

        If money counts he needs to be gone before March, when he’s due a $10 million payment.I don’t see much hope of a trade that gets rid of the debt with him, so I say bite the bullet for another year.

    • I still contend Waffle just outsourced a few hundred guys from India and Home-Depot to do nothing but vote that way on this blog. He paid them in Tradewind and bitcoin.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Or maybe some of us have rational justifications…either way, he owes me some bitcoin.

  • GPLDAN

    Happy Holidays to all who blog here and have survived the worst Bears season in any of our collective memory, save Al, who remembers what a disaster some of those Gibron era teams were.

    Have a good week of cheer. Hopefully we’ll have some excellent playoffs to kick off a much better 2015.

    • CanadaBear

      Back at ya GP. Hope it’s a great holiday season for you (other than the Bears part of it).

    • SC Dave

      I remember those Gibron teams too. And Happy Holidays to you as well, compadre.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Advantage with the Gibron Era: Only 14 regular season games.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Ditto, GPL.

    • Viva

      Happy holidays GP

    • AlbertInTucson

      This is more reminiscent of Dikta’s “I don’t know if we can we another game” demise.

    • bloomie1937

      It’s been my worst season since I started in ’42 including all the Gibron years. So much so, that I’m only really thinking about the Cubs until The McCaskeys do something beside pinch pennies.

  • BerwynBomber

    Not surprised by these poll numbers. The Cutler supporters far outweigh the Cutler critics, even on here. They are often more silent (for good reason), with the exception of Waffle of course. And Blogfather.
    In my lifetime no Chicago athlete has benefitted more from hometown ignorance and self-denial than Jay Cutler. His contract will inflict more long-term damage on this franchise than anything Mark Trestman and his staff will have done during their two years. Think about that for a second. Yes, it will be Cutty’s contract that will set this franchise back further. Decidedly so.
    Btw, if Bears keep Cutty I very much suspect a pro-Cutty HC will be hired, either Shanahan or Kubiak. Shanny would actually be a good hire. Despite his Cutty love, he is otherwise a proven, solid coach. Kubiak I have never been sold on. Houston gave him a ton of rope he still could never really get anything done there. Yet I am sure even he will run a tighter ship than Tresty and hence will be an improvement.
    Anyway, Cheese fans are probably too busy worrying about their division title game on Sunday with the Kittens to take much interest in a DBB poll but I’m sure they would be very happy and relieved with the results

    • Peanut FTW

      Shanny is one of the few I could see Emery being able to bring in a new staff and keep Cutler.
      But given the fact he would be getting a rare second HC hire does he want to be handcuffed by Cutler again?

      • BearDown100393

        Mike Shanahan’s tenure in Washington blew up largely because of the preferential treatment his starting quarterback received from management/ownership. He would have to think awfully high of himself to figure he is the chosen one to unlock the mysteries of Jay Cutler to coach the Bears.

        • BerwynBomber

          I think he would come here in a heartbeat. The Chicago Bears brand, the passionate fan base, the city, and yes even his love of Cutty … I see Shanny leaping on it. Remember, he does not have the options that a Harbaugh does.

          • BearDown100393

            Assuming he wants to be a head coach again. How many Head Coaches have won Super Bowls with more than 1 team? Does he even want to be a part of a rebuild process?

          • GPLDAN

            It would be very non-McCaskey to hire Shanny. Very un-family like.

            They are control weirdos. Shanny would not abide reporting to Ted. Everybody would have to park their control issues and back away from the guy and let him run all football ops. Hard to imagine.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m hoping George is the anti-McCaskey we need. Not that I’m beating the drum for Shanny the Tranny. I’d love to see George take control and clean house. Esp if he actually has the skills to hire the right guy to be prez of football operations.

          • bloomie1937

            All true. thankfully.

          • BerwynBomber

            If you are keeping Cutty the rebuild will be incremental. The full-out rebuild will only happen if you can dump Cutty, open up a sizable amount of cap space and commit to being a team in transition. Keeping Cutty is largely a vote for the status quo.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Ego. Not a problem.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Have to think he’d grab the Chicago job. Folks don’t seem to be lining up to offer him head coaching positions.

        • Peanut FTW

          Shanny was his coach in Denver, pretty sure he picked him and a lot of the fallout that lead to Cutler’s trade was due to them firing Shanny and the relationship he and Cutler had.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          If there’s anybody that thinks highly of himself, and in the NFL, the baseline is pretty high, it’s Shanahan.

        • johnnywad

          He already sent Jay to the Pro Bowl once. They aren’t mysteries to him

          • bloomie1937

            Saving Cutler is not the goal here. it is saving the Bears. Shanahan is just another pariah.

    • huntinbare

      I would like to see Toub as the new HC because I sense there is future success somewhere for him. But I am also in on Shanahan; and actually believe he can get us to the playoffs with JC. He will need to have a bit of control over his operation and get us the proper coordinators; but he has had the chance of watching Jay from afar; and is probably a bit wiser now about JC’s limitations. Cutler would listen to him and be comfortable in the relationship. All of this will minimize the mistakes; and breed what I would call a confident momentum inside of Cutler’s psyche.Cutler has had success in the NFL, along with his failures, and if he is staying I hope we go this way; getting a coach that can capitalise on his ability to score.By the time JC is done there should be a winning foundation built in the other areas of the team; Shanahan has done that before.

    • bloomie1937

      Good grief! bite your tongue. Shanahan? Perish forbid!

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Michigan must know Harbaugh is returning. Otherwise they are going to look ridiculous after their public displays of affection.”

    I don’t see it as a dumb move for Harbaugh. Return to your beloved roots, make a mint and be a collegiate God for four or five years. It is not like NFL teams will cease to be interested in him. He can probably return to the league and land an HC job anytime he wishes.

    • huntinbare

      Maybe he will sign with Big Blue and have a clause to get out of his contract about the time Jay’s contract expires…if Cutler stays I am sure he will kill off the new HC around that time….BINGO

    • GPLDAN

      Jeff was referring to UM’s position. They are running with an interim AD, who is probably on a very short leash to make decisions from the President of the U.

      To really put the school out there for Harbaugh, and to have him reject, would be fairly disastrous to a school whose football program is already in disarray and who is having signed recruits jump ship left and right.

      Harbuagh almost immediately stops the bleeding of that. Recruits will want to play under him. So Michigan has it’s neck WAAAY out there – they must know he would take that offer if it was big enough.

      • Cormonster

        Does Michigan even have a backup plan?

    • willbest

      I would suspect the UMich buyout clause (what an NFL team would have to pay to buy Harbaugh out of the contract) would be substantial.

      • BerwynBomber

        Probably so. But I don’t think Harbaugh will lock himself in for ten years either. Last I heard it was a four year deal. That sounds about right.

  • willbest

    “Bears don’t ask Cutler to throw it 40 times and put up 30 points, he’s been a winning player.”

    Which is why I won’t be horribly upset if they draft an O-linemen capable of giving them a power run game. Their holes on D are overly exaggerated, and hiring a competent DC would solve most the problems. Christian Jones looked good at Will, Mundy serviceable at SS, and the D-line is serviceable when healthy (assume the resign Paea). Absolutely have to find a Mike, Sam, and Free Safety though. Bostic, McClellin, Vereen, are not answers to any questions related to starting football players. Oh and assuming Jennings is done rather than just having a bad year, a new CB might be in order.

    • BerwynBomber

      You can live with Jennings for another year or two. Horrendous penalty on Sunday but those can happen to even the best CBs. He is not coming up with the INTs he did during that two/three-year stretch but never expected that to continue. His coverage skills are, still, largely decent. If/when he gets beat, it is usually not by much. He remains competent for now. That is enough considering the others holes on this team.

  • Viva

    If dave Toub wants a new QB…he gets a new QB.

    • if Dave Toub wants his returners to take a knee when they field a kick-off 9-yards deep, they take a knee.

  • Trac

    Jay thinks he can get by on athleticism and he’s not smart enough to elevate his game to where it needs to be. Jays problems are all mental that’s why he will never give us the edge we were hoping for Angelo traded for him. To me, Jay represents a dead end.

    • GPLDAN

      This seems to also be the “expert” opinion.

      Gannon mentioned that Clausen actually sees the field and cycles his progressions much much better than Jay. Clausen also seemed to know when to effectively check out of a play and when not to. Playing QB is like playing Hold’ Em. You gotta know when to steal a pot with an off suit pair of nothing, and when your opponent is doing the same. Cutler seems quite lousy at gamesmanship.

      Or so say the experts.

      • BerwynBomber

        You could see that on Sunday. That is why our banged up O-line suddenly and surprisingly looked pretty decent against arguably the best DL in football. The ball was coming out of the pocket quicker.

        Jay tends to lock on a primary (and even a secondary) and wait and wait and wait until he sees them open before pitching it. He has done that his whole career.

        • wreckinball

          And it’s a fatal flaw. You can’t succeed in the NFL without it

          • BerwynBomber

            It will become even more of an issue as Jay ages and loses velocity on his fast ball.

      • This is what that stats DON’T show. That’s what it looked like to me.
        But of course, Cutler apologists will cite stats only when conveniant, then in the same breath claim, “fuck stats, didn’t you see the game!”
        But it’s not like Ganon ever played the position successfully in this exact system, right? Some guy checking the ESPN FF stats knows better.
        And Gruden, and Young and a chorus of other former QBs have also eviscerated Cutler.

        But it’s just one big giant conspiracy. Cutler is the Charlie Brown of QBs.
        Just in a never ending cycle of unfortunate circumstances.

      • Trac

        It could be his vision/eyesight. I don’t play call of duty type video games for exactly that reason. I’m normally dead in seconds and never see where the kill shot came from.

    • CanadaBear

      I think he’s plenty smart enough it’s just that he doesn’t process info rapidly enough. Either way, it doesn’t look like he’s ever going to take us to the promised land.

      • SC Dave

        Splitting hairs a little in that first sentence, but I have to agree since I’ve been saying this for a long time.

    • BearDown100393

      His lack of fundamentals is inexcusable. That only requires dedicated practice. It limits his ability to quarterback when throwing flat footed or worse off the back foot.

      • Trac

        A QB is supposed to be kind of a field general that can survey the field and strike at the enemy’s weakness. I haven’t seen Jay do that and it’s not something you can learn. You’ve either got it or ya don’t.

        • Bender McLugh

          come on Trac……….you are REACHING here.

          • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

            It’s as if sometimes people forget what actually happened since 2009.

          • Trac

            Quite. A little too theatrical. I hope Jeff’s not rubbing off on me. Hahaha

  • Bears-4-Ever

    You have to give Jay the 2015 Season with a New HC to be sure that he’s done here. I think letting him go now is just short sighted. He is the best we can hope for at this point for 2015.

    On a side note here is a good read about why SF is crazy for letting Harbaugh go. Damn i would love to have the Bears get him! I know, I know, Not gonna happen.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/49ers-will-regret-letting-go-of-jim-harbaugh–183014153.html

    • willbest

      Cutler has created enough body of work in Chicago to justify moving on. The question is what does the new HC want to get rid of him, and is it feasible to do so. Bears might be married to him in 2015 just out of financial necessity.

      • Bender McLugh

        how about talent neccessity……

  • Toph

    The San Francisco Examiner seems to think Harbaugh is going to The Bears.

    http://m.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/chicago-bears-a-better-fit-once-harbaugh-exits/Content?oid=2915036

    • GPLDAN

      That Dickey is just conveying his own, biased, opinion that Harbaugh should stay in the NFL.

  • Sactowns#1

    Well Sexy Rexy could come back, as long as it’s not around the holidays. http://deadspin.com/rex-grossman-turns-down-the-browns-1674459637

    • BerwynBomber

      Looks like a pure, speculative piece more than any sourced reporting.

      • BerwynBomber

        My bad. Meant for your Harbaugh piece below.

  • GPLDAN

    Jeff twips: Apparently Lance Briggs’ restaurant is about as successful as his 2014 season.

    From the review:

    “Deep-fried nuggets of catfish, however, were served a mess—devoid of any seasoning, the unnaturally squishy fish molted their greasy batter jackets at the merest touch.”

    This sounds exactly like the defense.

    “The front four pressure served up a mess, devoid of any heart. The unnaturally squishy Briggs mid-section molted it’s elasticity and caused a groin injury that could have been predicted. The tackling failed at the merest touch.”

    • BearDown100393

      He might need to get back on a treadmill for another season.

    • DaMurph

      He should know you never batter catfish, geeez, breading only!

      • CanadaBear

        I like the part about unnaturally squishy. Has the reviewer ever had catfish before? It’s always that way unless you cook it to the point of wang leather.

        • Bender McLugh

          soak it in buttermilk, gets rid of the nasty

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Weird snack foods up in Canada!

        • huntinbare

          best smoked over buttonwood

      • Trac

        Hahaha. You go boi!

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Bringing a nutbag like Shanahan into this mess would certainly be entertaining…my expectations would be pretty low, but I bet we finally get that HBO documentary.

    • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

      Shanahan and Marshall? Not likely as long as Marshall is here. He could not have avoided the question more of whether he has a relationship with Shanny and how close they were on ESPN 1000 the other night. He said he and Jay are close but refused to answer about Shanahan.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        No way does a wide receiver, no matter how talented, factor into a regime change. At all.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Ever.

          • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

            You are probably right. It was just weird hearing him go cold so quick on Shanahan.

  • GPLDAN
  • EnderWiggin

    I could see Harbaugh coaching up Jay for the first ten games while he grooms his future in (maaaaaybe?) Fales. Similar to Smith/Kap. This would raise Cutty’s value while giving us options.
    “Tis the season for pipe-dreams.

    • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

      I’m not convinced that David Fales is an NFL caliber quarterback.

      • Bender McLugh

        not yet anyway

        • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

          I’m not in the “develop a quarterback” camp. He was a late round pick. Besides Brady who got totally hosed by his coach in college what other 5th, 6th and 7th round picks became anything in the pros? The 40’s, 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and 90’s don’t count.

          • Bender McLugh

            you tell me

          • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

            haha, I don’t know.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Wilson.
            OK, that’s the only one that springs to mind but I don’t feel like looking that hard.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            marc bulger, matt hasselbeck both 6th rounders
            Jim Miller i would say had a decent year for us and he was a 6th rounder

            iffy 7th rounders – Matt Cassel, Gus Frerotte

            undrafted – Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Jay Fiedler, Jake Delhomme.

          • Bender McLugh

            crazy Romo was undrafted…………forgot about Garcia too.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            wasn’t Steve Young taken in the supplemental draft??

          • Bender McLugh

            I believe so

          • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

            the 1984 supplemental draft of USFL and CFL players is not going to be eligible for this little exercise. That “draft” was like picking kids for dodgeball and then being able to pick a bunch of kids that were driven to your schoolyard from the local prison for “time in the yard”. I think there were 3 hall of famers and 10 pro bowlers out of the 84 guys in that draft

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            fair enough.

          • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

            Jim Miller? 9 teams in 10 years? no thanks.
            Matt Cassel….had that one year on the Patriots during their glory run
            Gus Frerotte = -2 blog points
            Kurt Warner played with a collection of some of the greatest offensive talent of all time and, at the time, an incredibly intelligent offensive scheme that the league had rarely seen since Air Coryell.
            So….3 or 4 guys in the history of the last 30yrs. Sounds good to me, let’s develop some youngsters!

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            hey you put the challenge forth i came up with names. I agree developing late round QBs is not the way to go. too many misses and waste of time

          • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

            you competed well. It’s crazy how many 1st and 2nd rounders don’t work out much less anyone else. That’s the case for all positions. I guess you never know.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            just FYI pretty good article that breaks down QBs for the last 20 years.

            http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfl-draft-round-round-quarterback-data

          • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

            lol, you fucking cheater!

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            come on. I found that article last year when we drafted Fales and everyone was arguing the point of drafting late round QBs.

          • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

            haha, fair enough. You were using work product. That is admissible.

          • Sactowns#1

            Bart Starr, Staubach, Joe Theisman, Matt hasselbeck, Bulger and Brunell.

          • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

            let’s agree that we can’t use QB’s that played during era’s that thought blacks had smaller brains so they couldn’t be quarterbacks. We also can’t use era’s where you could have a 60b rating, as many picks as TD’s and still go to the hall of fame. If we need to give up Cutty to get a Marc Bulger or Matt Cassell i don’t think we should go that route either.

      • EnderWiggin

        I’m not either. But Harbaugh seems to like him.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Evidently neither is Emery or Trestman.

      • Trac

        Hahahaha. Love the new handle.

      • CanadaBear

        JOHNNY! Glad to see the Cutty Badger is back! Wasn’t sure if you were gone for good this time. Where are you at with the Emery/coaching staff returning? If Nessman returns it will be difficult for me to commit. I’m sure I’ll still watch but I won’t buy the NFL pkg or make any attempt to go to a sports bar if they aren’t on local cable. Another year of Nessman seems highly unlikely but we are talking about the Bears.

        • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

          i have to admit that an empty office at work and a little free time resulted in me jumping back on. I’ve been doing a pretty good job at holding my tongue at some of these outlandish posts from a handful of posters. Blatant yahoo-isms and extremely inaccurate and polarizing comments.

          I’m torn on the Emery/Trestman move. I am obviously disgusted at the Cutler benching. I am also frustrated at Trestman though. That guy showed that he could call creative and effective plays last year between the 20’s. Now, the red zone last year, that was a different story. He shat the bed on many occasion.

          I watched the Bears execute WR screens well on Sunday which begs the question why it didn’t happen like that all year like it did last year. They ran to the edges on sunday like they hadn’t really done all year but did all of last year.

          Going into the season i was unable to predict that Allen would be this bad, Briggs and Tillman that hurt/ineffective/mentally gone, that Houston would be played at DE out of position and then would get hurt celebrating, that Mills would turn into Webb, that Garza would age 10yrs in one year, that Slauson would get hurt and that Bushrod would play like he was hurt. Marshall getting ridiculously hurt and not even getting 700 yds this year was the season changing event for me. He was hurt all season, Jeffery as well. Losing Wilson so early and relying on street guys to gel with the team instantaneously obviously didn’t happen. So many things happened this year to fuck with the outcome.

          I don’t like the overall playcalling this year. I didn’t think we were aggressive enough. I didn’t think Trestman called games like he did last year and maybe it was because of injury. There was a stretch of several games where i don’t think Jeffery ran one back shoulder route…..that is a travesty. There were times where they would go multiple series without getting the ball to Marshall or Jeffery at all. Forte patterns were never adjusted to squeeze a little more yardage out of them and despite Bennett’s big numbers he was misused and underutilized in multiple games. That’s on the coach.

          Emery missed on so many draft picks that could have just been easy no brainer fan boy picks like obvious DL or OL choices, notable LB’s or DB’s but instead he had to get all fucking cute and we ended up with McClellin, Hardin, Rodriguez type picks instead of OL and DL solid cannon fodder. He hit on Long but then we waste him at Guard? He hits on Jeffery but then we don’t use the fuck out of him this year like we should. I don’t know what to think about anyone’s future. I just don’t know why these guys seemingly make decisions that defy logic.

          In regards to Cutty, you can love him or hate him but can we all agree that he shouldn’t be used like he’s Peyton Manning in the pocket all the time and also that he shouldn’t be reigned in like he’s some journeyman reject. Who fucking cares at this point.

          • NewBearInTown

            Wow, lots of good stuff in here.

            Injuries, aging vets and underperformance happens. Its mostly on the GM and coach for (1) signing those players and (2) not compensating for their poor performance. Its also obviously on those particular players for playing poorly. But its also on the team leaders (that includes Cutler) for not getting the best out of their team mates whether through creating better culture, better support at practice, whatever. Look around the league and you see most teams have to use street guys at some position or another and the playoff teams still manage to win.
            I think Long developing into one of the top 5 guards in the league (and that’s his ceiling in a year or two) is just fine with me. If he can play at that level at tackle fine, but I don’t know that he’s there yet. At least for now he can do a lot of good anchoring from the middle and blocking Suh even it means we still need help at tackle.
            Hardin doesn’t bother me so much. He took a shot at a third round safety, low first round talent with injury risk. Didn’t pan out – them’s the breaks.
            Rodriguez bugs me only because the team should have seen the character issues coming. But again, 4th rounders get cut, it happens.
            Shea was a bad pick, fine. But all three examples are from Emery’s first draft. He’s had two drafts since then, and this most recent one thus far has been a smashing success. Fuller, Ego, Sutton and O’Donnel were all fine pickups. 4 starters (especially Fuller’s first half of the season) is considered a home run of a draft class.
            Play calling was bad. As you say, scheme didn’t fit the talent, didn’t maximize production. Players weren’t executing properly. Generally just not a great year for Trestman as an OC. But I see that as not Trestman’s biggest problem. His biggest issue was leadership – and that can’t be fixed.

  • CanadaBear

    When people discuss trading Cutler they either forget or don’t know the Bears can’t assume part of Cutler’s salary in a trade. If we trade him the other team has to assume the contract. Because of this, we’re either going to get someone else’s bad contract in return or very little in return in a trade.

    • EnderWiggin

      I hope we can afford Cutty and Suh and Iupati.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yes, but for a team that has not had the six-year long Cutty experience the two years left on his deal may not look all that horribe. And from our perspective it would, of course, open up $15M in cap space.

      Anyway, he will be the most talented/accomplished QB on the market, but it will require a tough sale. In my opinion, it would be insane to go after Cutler unless you still think he is a franchise guy who can consistently take you to the playoffs. Otherwise, just go with a Sanchez or an Orton who aren’t all that inferior to Jay but cost TREMENDOUSLY less money.

      • CanadaBear

        It will be interesting to see the market for Sanchez and Orton. They might get more $ than you think.

        • BerwynBomber

          Oh, I think they will do pretty well but I would bet a Jackson that neither will make more than half of Jay’s annual next year.

          • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

            Orton went 3 and out on 5 straight drives to lose to Oakland to miss the playoffs. That’s why he’ll make what he makes.

          • willbest

            Amusingly, with the Broncos loss, the Pats have nothing to play for, so Buffalo had a really good shot at making the playoffs. Unless Darth Hoodie just felt like kicking a division rival in the nuts.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Orton has a 2 year contract.

          • CanadaBear

            Lucky Buffalo.

      • Bender McLugh

        I disagree, it would be more akin to Arizona taking a flyer on Warner…..not looking for a franchise QB for long term, just one that can get them to the dance and win. Obviously Warner had ALOT more cred as he already won a SB, so not trying to compare the two in that sense.

        • BerwynBomber

          Fair point. I could see that. But in that case that might limit the options to a team like Houston. Can’t see the Titans or the Jets, as examples, thinking they are close enough to pull the trigger on Cutty.

          Remember, too, Warner (I’m betting) was pretty well discounted by the time he got to AZ. Cards probably weren’t assuming an albatross of an existing contract.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            If only he didn’t mess with arachnids…woulda made us a contender, I tell ya!

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            He looked like he was on his way out of the league at one point…and then Josh McCown looked like shit as his replacement and he got a big fat contract from the Cards.
            It’s a feel good story.

          • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

            Giants ran his ass out of town.

    • johnnywad

      Didn’t know that. Is it just when they’re cut that they continue to be paid?

      • CanadaBear

        If the money is guaranteed they get paid. If it’s not guaranteed it’s too bad, so sad for the player.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    It doesn’t matter all that much. Yes, no, maybe. It depends on the situation. They have the power to decide either way…that’s why Emery didn’t franchise him. In order to have options.

    About the next HC. I don’t have anything against a defensive minded HC, but who’s going to be the OC ? The pool of candidates is small.

    I’d love Rex Ryan or McDaniels. I’d also bring back De Camillis. The ST needs the continuity and they were good considering the circumstances.

    I don’t have to say it, Emery is the Bears best resource. He has to stay, but he needs help. The culture from the top has to change. A football president must be employed and the powers of the HC hould be minimal, until they prove their worth in time.

    • Trac

      Shhhh….

    • Scott W.

      Crimminy. Are you Phil Emery’s agent?

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I have knowledge. You should try…

      • johnnywad

        I think its a bit. He said he’d bring back Joe D. Nobody can really think that.

        • willbest

          Considering Emery gutted special teams and the proceeded to hire and fire and average of 1.5 special teamers per week, and Joe D managed to turn that hot pile of crap into a below average unit, I would be inclined to say he has a fair amount of skill as a ST coordinator.

          I would not be opposed to retaining Joe D, if that is the next Head Coach’s decision. Though I doubt it would be since Joe D is the Asst. HC, and its unlikely the next HC will stand for that.

  • Manifesto Monday! (a day late)

    Here’s the thing, pussies (doing my best Waffle impression)!

    You can’t go through life AFRAID of swinging for the fences (yes, mixed metaphor).
    Was Trestman a swing and a miss? Mayhaps. Was Lovie a safer missionary choice? Naturally.
    But, fuck it, Emery wanted a RING, not near victories vs GB, or blow-outs against elite teams, or squeaking some Ws out vs mediocrity.
    So he fired him even after 10 wins because he recognized above assessment.
    How he went about it was like a new GM with Phillips and a predictalator as infrastructure.
    However, Emery did analyze the situation correctly, and he often does

    (Needed an Oline to not get Cutty murdered? done. Needed WRs who were not midget returners afraid of going over the middle? Done. Needed a real TE that looks AND plays like Tarzan? Done. Needed to throw the kitchen sink at the Dline and D in general in the offseason? Done.)

    Emery is not tone deaf. He diagnoses team weaknesses and BOLDLY tries to rectify it, with varying results.
    I’m not saying he’s perfect, most top notch GMs make many mistakes. Everyone wanted the Gmen GM. How’s that going? And he’s been at it for years. Raven’s GM is also seen as elite. They too are most likely missing the playoffs. The 9ers supposedly built a juggernaut through their draft and FAs choices. Guess not.

    Shit happens.

    But I say keep Emery, get a real football guy not named Phillips, fire everyone else on the coaching staff, and trade Cutler.

    Cutler is the Lovie of QBs. He’ll get you some wins vs inferior teams, but he won’t beat SB contenders, and he won’t ever win a SB.

    If you wanna be safe, sip of eggnogs, and be skinny-armed Rob Low doing missonary your whole life, then by all means, make the argument “We must hug Cutler because the big bad QB world out there is cold and desolate.”

    But I say this, as I did with Lovie,

    FUCK IT.

    Take a shot of Tradewind, dump Cutler for a 3rd (hopefully) and commence the arduous quest for the holy grail: A REAL FRANCHISE QB WHO CAN WIN THE SB.

    It won’t be easy. The field is littered with the broken husks of Genos, Lockers and EJ Manuels..they lay on the field like broken sabers, but we can’t let failure, or the fear of failure, deter us.

    We’re a 5 win team, for Christs sake, and arguably the worst 5 win team in NFL history, certainly in Bears’ history.

    WE MUST MOVE ON, BOLDLY. What’s the worse that can happen? Lost to GB for the umpteenth time in a row like under Cutler?

    WE MUST MOVE ON.

    It’s your American duty to not settle for mediocrity! If you need a further pep talk, here ya go.
    Murica!

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x156uvg_patton-s-opening-speech-to-the-troops-george-c-scott_shortfilms

    • Bender McLugh

      this. well said sir – still I say keep Cutty for next year unless the right trade offer comes though.

      • What’s the right trade offer? A 3rd?

        • Trac

          Nope, you do what the Broncos did and ask for the moon. There are desperate teams out dare.

          • Trac, it would be a HUGE surprise if we got more than a 3rd.
            GMs aren’t that blind or desperate. We gotta pray that some baffoon thinks Cutler is the missing link to their SB run.
            Which team is that? Browns?(Manizel) Rams? (Bradford) Titans (Total rebuild, high pick and MettenBerg).
            I HOPE that happens, but I’m not banking on it.

          • Trac

            That’s silly.

          • You think we can get more than a 3rd for Cutty?
            We’re not getting what we gave for him, that’s for sure.

            Would Bills give a 1st? Maybe.
            Cards (still have Palmer)

            A left field pick would be Philly.
            Maybe he doesn’t believe that either Sanchize or Foles fits his system, and gives like a lower 2nd for him.

          • Trac

            Unloading Cutler will be the least of our worries.

          • New start begins with a fresh QB.

    • Trac

      Intrigued by your manifesto.

    • GPLDAN
      • Shady

        Now if only you could turn that into a Chicago Bearce boner.

    • Shady

      Have some extra time after ignoring the FFL? Now that’s you’re out of the Championship no reason to be funny anymore, right? Stop slacking commish!

      • Trac

        I’m gonna win the first league he started that evra one bailed on. It’s good to be the champ of a make believe league nobody gives a crap about after its over.

      • Holidays. Got busy. Gonna work on it today. But handing out awards every week is grueling!
        You’re in a tight one. You guys are both lucky Manziel couldn’t even score a TD!

    • KentuckyBearsFan

      A caveat. Maybe it was just because of circumstances, but a stacked 49ers team a few years ago would have been more likely to win the Super Bowl with Alex Smith in the playoffs then a turn-over prone Colin Kaepernick.

      Smith was having the season of his life before he got hurt, but was healthy by the playoffs.

      • I tend to agree. And while Alex Smith gets a bad rap for being a game manager, he did beat Brees toe-to-toe in a shoot out in the playoffs a few years ago, so he is capable of unleashing if needed.

      • willbest

        I wouldn’t have seen Alex Smith rushing for 180 yards against the Packers though.

    • Viva

      Well said.

      Dave Toub for fucking HC now.

    • CanadaBear

      And the flip side is he hired the wimpiest man on the planet to be the HC and signed an avg QB to $18 mil/yr contract. He over paid Houston and Allen (by a lot). Ferguson and Sutton aren’t exactly locks as NFL tackles. He over paid Bushrod by a lot. We still don’t have a decent RT. Other than Jeffery, Long and Fuller, none of the other picks exactly jump off the screen when they’re playing. He totally ignored the LB position so he could stock it with CD. He brought in an avg SS and a bunch of stiffs. He got rid of all the good ST’ers and replaced them with a bunch of stiffs that can’t play ST’s to save their lives. He’s done some good things but he’s balanced that out with all the other stuff listed above. Launch him!

      • Scott W.

        Phil Emery was a big mistake. I guess the McCaskeys needed a GM that would help them forget their obligations to the team. Halas would be disgusted with Marc Trestman, who would have been lucky to get a job washing his car.
        The Bears need a coach who is quality enough to be trusted to build the team his way. One who can hire/fire and start/bench/release as he sees fit.
        We don’t need a dinosaur like Holmgren. Remember the Parcells/Dolphins experiment? Train wreck.
        Toub? Harbaugh? I think those are our 2 best options. They fit.
        If we are lucky enough to get one of them, then it should be on the condition that Emery, the Village Idiot of Halas Hall, can keep his office as long as he stays out of the way.
        Disagreement on a FA or draft choice? Emery defers to the coach. He can keep his job holding Virginia’s hand at parties.
        Otherwise, he needs to sit down and shuttup. The more I think about it, the more I look back on the commitment Halas had for his team, the more disgusted I am that Phil Emery even gets a parking space.

      • huntinbare

        Sounds like you wouldn’t want him in charge of the funds when you are on a road trip with the boys in the band…

    • huntinbare

      You never wins unless you Fales first !!!!!

    • tobijohn

      Absolutely excellent post. I’m hopping on your bandwagon…

  • Trac

    Nobody has mentioned Tony Dungy as a new HC candidate. He would be awesome.

    http://www.chatsports.com/chicago-bears/a/Top-10-Candidates-To-Replace-Marc-Trestman-If-He-Gets-Fired-10-16-691

    • willbest

      No he wouldn’t. He defended Lovie. Lovie needed to go. If he can’t see that he doesn’t have the chops to be a HC anymore.

      • Trac

        Hahaha. Just messin around. I can’t stand him.

  • BillW

    A lot going on here at the 100 acre wood. . Many people coming for Christmas. . So I want to wish everyone a very happy holidays!

    BillW (aka Eeyore)

    • CanadaBear

      Back at ya Bill.

      • huntinbare

        Hey brother how about sharing a Hot Tuna sandwich on Jorma Kaukonen’s birthday today…of course being that this is the Bears Blog I made it without the cheese!

        • CanadaBear

          NICE! Gotta love Hot Tuna!

    • huntinbare

      give the gopher a double shot for me to help him clean up his speech……Happy Holidays brother

    • Scott W.

      Merry Christmas Bill, to you and all of yours.

  • Trac

    A shucks. Raiola lost his appeal. Hee hee.

    • huntinbare

      They shoulda given him abother day…just for showing up

  • Trac

    A little Christmas diddy to bring back some old memories for some of the older guys.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=–2Mwp7X-X0

    • Shady

      And for the younger guys:

      • Trac

        Hahaha

    • huntinbare

      Smooth as aged whiskey on the rocks….I saw him leaping onto the piano without even knocking the ash off his cigarette

      • Trac

        One should not ruin aged whisky by adding ice. I don’t drink anymore, just sayin.

        • huntinbare

          There are many ways to make a bottle disappear
          Been a witness to all the variations
          But I cannot voice an opinion from experience on perfect flavor
          I just like the sound of the cubes tumbling around in the glass

          • Scott W.

            That last line…damn you huntin…damn you. Now I’m thirsty…

          • huntinbare

            Here’s to ya…start celebrating Black Monday early…never thought I would be celebrating the grim reapers ride through Halas Hall when the season started

  • huntinbare

    Seven……7

  • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

    lol, i was going to wait until after the game but i was just thinking that if the Bears go out and do well and win and Cutler has a good game people will be mad at him for having a good game and losing a couple of spots in draft position. Players play to win the game and continue to be employed in the NFL and out of shape middle aged white male fans somehow expect them to tank so “the team” can get a better pick.

    Bernstein from the Score embarrassed himself yesterday on the air with Jon Bostic questioning how players get up for a meaningless game. Bostic was like wtf?

    • huntinbare

      I am 100% sure if Cutler has a great game sunday and we win; there will be a player taken before our pick in the 2015 draft that we could have drafted had we lost; and that will get Jay further misery… not to mention all the where has that JC been all year; if he woulda…..

    • BerwynBomber

      Chill with the victimhood. The pro-Cutty crowd FAR outweighs the anti-Cutty crowd. Check the results of Blogfather’s poll if you have any doubts. Hence, your idol is not being blamed for much; it is all the coaches’s fault yet again, which means you can put your #6 onesy back on and enjoy the game without fear of reprisal.

      Bernstein is half an idiot. He basically thinks any team with no shot to win the championship in any sport should tank its games to improve its draft position. Do yourself a favor and don’t take him seriously.

      • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

        It’s not victimhood. I just thought it was funny because there is a very real chance that the Bears end up with the 7th Pick. A total fucking badass would be available at multiple positions at that spot because at least 1 or 2 teams will fuck themselves with Winston or Mariota or Cooper.
        My idol is my Uncle who is a fucking General in the army with 3 purple hearts after taking 3 separate grenade blasts saving 3 separate guys on 3 separate trips to and from his chopper in a hot LZ in vietnam in the same 15 minute span.

        Bernstein IS an idiot, you and i agree on that.

        • BerwynBomber

          I’m not sure Mariota and/or Winstons are busts. I think Mariota will have lots of work to do. Could depend on his drive, what type of coach he ends up and whether he is capable of improvement and a staff’s patience with him. He seemingly only has a average arm and probably hasn’t had to go thru many progressions as a college QB. Btw, two QBs from last year’s first two rounds are developing nicely — Bortles and Bridgewater.

          Bernstein reminds of the type of person who has a high IQ but doesn’t have a lick of wisdom.

          P.S. Good on you and your uncle.

          • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

            This is the year where if i’m Emery i go all in. I would trade my 3,4,5,6,7 picks to obtain an early 2nd round pick.
            3 picks in the first 2 rounds
            The odds of hitting on all 3 of them would be huge compared to wasting time on 4,5,6,7

            Just call your previous years late rounders or someone elses and bring them in as UDFA’s or street guys if needed.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not me. I want the total rebuild, including #6 gone and as many draft picks as possible. Unlike you, I also believe in developing QBs but I realize you have to have a decent system in place. Looking for the next Rodgers/Brady/Brees/Manning is all well and good but I’d play the long game like Ron Wolf did and NE seemingly does. Draft a David Fales every year or every other year and develop him. At best you find the proverbial diamond. At worst he is useless. ON average you end up with a decent Mallet/Cassel trade asset.

          • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

            no one has had success grooming a quarterback and pawning them off on someone else outside of NE and now that Cassel has busted teams will be hard pressed to fall for the same tactic again. Ryan Mallet was a 3rd round pick and was traded to the Texans for a fucking 6th or 7th rd conditional pick. So i’ll pass on the strateegery and advocate that we don’t pick up a 6th rd qb every year that won’t sniff the field and instead focus on ways to get more out of our picks 1-3 like we haven’t been doing for 11 years.

          • Carr in Oak is doing pretty well, and the limited time I have watched Mettenberg, the more I like.
            Far too early of course (see RG3), but this rook QB class gives hope for those who want to find a gem.
            (There’s also a two in NE and NYG which I’m very curious to see play eventually).

          • BerwynBomber

            Good point about Carr. I knew there was a dude I was forgetting. Who do the NYG have?

          • Gmen drafted Nassib, while the Pats drafted Garrafalo.
            Both looked good in PS, if memory serves, but those guys are soaking in SB winning experience, and many scouts really liked both.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah I remember Jimmy. IIRC, Lamar Houston sacked him earlier in the year and did a little jig.

            My thing is to forget the Rodgers/Brady/Manning/Brees HRs. (Or even the Lucks and Russ Willsons.) Just build a good team and hope you can find the next Flacco, Ryan or Rivers. That can be enough.

          • willbest

            Carr was a second round pick, although a very high one.

          • Big Mike

            The beauty of sucking is that the Bears will be drafting early in every round. Can get more picks from teams that want to move up, or draft early in each round

          • huntinbare

            I would like to use the first round pick for defense…there is no wayway that we can ignore that side of the ball any longer. It won’t matter who is QB if we can’t hold the score down.

          • Big Mike

            I think that would be wise. There has to be a top corner, DB or LB in the top 10

        • Trac

          Dang, you shouldda joined the Army Yonny. I don’t have a bad ass Uncle Jericho but my great great great grandfather kicked some ass in the Boer wars.

          • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

            i was born into enough money that it didn’t have to be an option. I turned down West Point because i knew i wasn’t mature enough not to get killed in my dorm by my instructors.

          • Trac

            Lol

        • huntinbare

          I believe that we had to go through this losing so that the player that will define this team for the coming future is being lined up for us in the 2015 draft; but we had to walk this rough stretch of road to meet him. The thing that has always been a costant for the Bears is they have been blessed with individual takent that defines decades. I feel a great one is coming; we surely paid a big down payment this year.

  • Scott W.

    All my kids and grand kids roll in Friday, and my wife is also out until then, so I’m flying solo through the calendar dates of Christmas. 1st time for that, but we’ll celebrate all weekend.
    Anyway, Merry Christmas to the wittiest, smartest, no-bullshit Bears fans I’ve ever not known in real life.
    Hope y’all have a great holiday.

    • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

      it’s kind of strange that the whole family is going to be absent for Christmas eve and day. I’ll come over if you want but i’d bring Tradewinds and you’d have to drink it. Celebrate extra hard when they get into town. Watch as much football as possible on xmas day.

      • Scott W.

        See you around noon?

        • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

          done. casual?

    • NewBearInTown

      Want to think outside the box for the day? Find a local soup kitchen or something and volunteer. Really rewarding work and you don’t even miss out on being with family for the season.

      • Scott W.

        Hey man. Howzit going? Any comment on my Emery rants?
        I actually do a lot of charity work here in my corner of WV. Mostly for the homeless and families in need of food, clothing, household items, etc. Also some for veterans.
        Thing about it is, never feel like I do quite enough.
        I was homeless myself a few decades ago for a relatively short time, so I get it.
        Now, well, let’s just say I’ve been very fortunate since then.
        But those folks are never far from my heart.

        • NewBearInTown

          Honestly haven’t been keeping up with all of the comments. The negativity is a bit oppressive as football is supposed to be a break from stress rather than a reason to get angry.
          I think Emery’s draft classes have been above average but not stellar. 2014 in particular seems to have been a very solid group of young talent for the defense and a very competent punter. Last year’s pickup of Kyle Long was a good decision. Obviously I would have liked to have seem some of the linebackers catch on, but Christian Jones and some of the other bench guys seem to have caught on late this season.
          I can’t argue with the free agency moves either. Signing Marshall was obviously huge. Likewise Slauson was a solid building block. I really liked the Bushrod signing, even with this season’s struggles. Same comments in re De La Puente, DJ Williams, McCown, Ratliff and Marty B. Mundy and Young also pleasant surprises this season even if the DE group didn’t work out as well as hoped for.
          Giving extensions to Jennings, Marshall and Cutler were all decisions I agreed with even if Cutler’s contract feels daunting right now. There’s no other way to sign a QB in the league right now and Emery built a nice exit into the deal after 2015. I think letting Peppers go was the right move; letting Wootton go was probably correct given the cap situation though it was a shame to see him go given what our current, more expensive group is doing. Reworking Brigg’s deal a few years back also made sense.
          So while not everything has worked out, Emery has shown himself to be a capable personnel man.
          What we need now is a coach that has more credibility than Trestman to balance out Phil. Emery can be less the focus at press conferences and shoulder less blame for coaching decisions. That will be the HC’s job. I’m hoping the experience with Trestman will show Phil that I am correct on this point and allow him to hire someone like a Bruce Arians that will want control of his staff and more autonomy. I think Phil has shown his ability to learn from mistakes and we’ll see what happens.
          By the way, if Trestman has a job next Tuesday, I take back the last paragraph and will start getting very frustrated. I can get behind not wanting to fire the coach in season. But if we keep Trestman and struggle next year, we’ll have no choice but to drop him at the bye week. And that’s another season gone.

          • Scott W.

            Most thoughtful response to the Emery issue I’ve read. Kudos.
            I haven’t been able to get past the giant egg he laid with the Trestman hire. It’s driven me mad I tell you, mad!
            We lost 2 and possibly 3 seasons over that, and it just chaps me. I still can’t believe he did it. There was no acquisition more important IMO, and he just blew it huge.
            The negativity has been strong, I hear you. But I think a lot of it is appropriate. I’m flabbergasted at the offensive melt down, and as has been too well documented, disgusted by the Trestman decision.
            However, you have broken it out much clearer than I was seeing it, so thanks for taking the time to type.
            Happy Hanukkah NBIT.

    • huntinbare

      Merry Christmas enjoy your family moments together.

      • Scott W.

        Thanks man. They mean the world to me. Even my oldest, who at one time liked Brett Favre.

        • huntinbare

          Love forgives all transgressions

  • willbest

    I went looking through the QB contracts, and I have come to the conclusion that Cutler is not overpriced for trade purposes. They front loaded his contract premium into year 1. His contract is now a 6 year, 2 year guarantee at 15.5, 16, 15, 16, 17.5, 19.2 with years 3 through 6 coming with modest injury protection in form of active roster bonus.

    You might say 16 mil/yr is too much for Cutler, but it isn’t. Cutler is a 10-20 rank QB, and that is the market for 10-20 rank QBs. See Alex Smith (17 mil/yr). See Carson Palmer (16.25 mil/year). See Andy Dalton (16 mil/yr). The only reason QBs like Big Ben, Eli, Philip Rivers make less is their contracts are 4-6 years old. They will be getting more than Cutler when they renegotiate this year or next. QBs cost more than they did 2 years ago because the cap number is jumping (projected to be ~141 mil last year up nearly 20 mil in 2 years).

    So what can the Bears expect to get?

    Well 49ners got 2 second rounders for Alex Smith.

    Cincy got a first and second rounder for Carson Palmer (who was roughly Cutler’s age when the trade happened).

    Now obviously nobody is going to be as stupid as Oakland. But I can’t see getting less than a 2nd and 4th or 2nd and 3rd for Jay.

    • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

      Jay is going nowhere. Trestman, Tucker, Kromer and Decamilis are gone. Emery will get another shot and Cutler will be asked to restructure if certain FA’s become available. Now the only question is ….. how awesome the converted white safety turned Defensive End turned Tight End will be that we draft in the 1st round out of Florida A&T?

      • Trac

        Who would you prefer for the HC position Jonny?

        • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

          I care but not as much as who we draft at OL, who we bring in on D in the draft and in Free Agency and how healthy we are going into next year with Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett, Wilson and Forte all under contract.
          Long will be moved to Tackle for damn sure. It’s going to be a 2 to 3 yr rebuild but i could see us winning 9 next year maybe 10.

          We’re just not bad enough to suck 2yrs in a row like this to get multiple top round picks.

          • Trac

            Finding a bad ass HC is going be challenging with all the holes on the Bears roster.

          • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

            If a team was in great shape they wouldn’t need a new HC….

            With that being said, despite all of the disappointment this year, I feel that the offense will take a big step forward next year if the whole group can stay together in the WR, RB, TE QB group.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            its all Cutlers fault that they are going to fire the entire coaching staff.

          • huntinbare

            Maybe that will be his best asset at this point. We may thank him someday.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i was just wanting to get waffle riled up.

          • huntinbare

            Chummin the water…

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            and Cutlers the reason the defense sucks, the running game sucks, pass protection sucks, WR drops, special teams sucks,

          • Scott W.

            It’s Cutlers fault I’ll be alone on Christmas day. My doctor also claims he caused my appendix to blow while on vacation back in 2010.
            Heartless bastard.

          • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

            Cutlers kid was patient zero for Ebola. He was in West Africa and brought it back with him.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            if only the kid had his vaccinations. probably brought back small pox and polio too

          • BerwynBomber

            Here comes Jay Victimhood. Version 6.0.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Cutler was the reason my uncle had a mental breakdown and had to be committed last year.

          • huntinbare

            The franchise is our currency. I think that any coach would give the Bears a look; and it will come down to how much authority / control over the process of team formation going forward that will help them decide. Wouldn’t a coach be in it for the long term and be excited about helping build a winner in this city? They would throw away the first 2 years and not worry about them, considering they are working to make a garbage truck into a Ferrari. I think it will be easier taking over this team than the one Lovie vacated.

          • Scott W.

            ONLY if the new HC is really good (comes down to Toub or Harbaugh for me) and Emery is his subbordinate.

          • huntinbare

            Am watching the Navy vs. San Diego St. game and it is Harbaughs b-day so at halftime they showed a full page mich. newspaper birthday wish and started to talk about the $49 mill. offer that Michigan offered and the next word was but and they spent most of the segment talking Harbaugh – Bears ….

    • BerwynBomber

      But you are not looking at the guaranteed money of the contract and that is nearly EVERYTHING. Case in point, Dalton’s is 6 years/96M whereas Cutty’s is 7 years/126M. But the big difference? Only 17M of Dalton’s is guaranteed. Jay’s is 58M. Likewise, Palmer’s is only 20M guaranteed.

      Anyway, it will be interesting to see where QB salaries go in the future. On one hand, buyer’s remorse reside in other cities beyond Chicago. On the other hand, they are such highly valued commodities it is questionable whether management will be able to risk overpaying them.

      • willbest

        What guarantee? you mean the 2-year 31.5 million? We already paid him 22.5 of the 54. Presumably if you are trading for him you are committing to him for 1 year. So its really just the 2nd year if he is a complete bust.

        • BerwynBomber

          “What guarantee”? The guaranteed money of any contract. Jay’s was 58M at the time of last year’s signing. Again, I believe it was the highest guaranteed money of any player/QB in the league.

          Here, you can see if you can find higher:

          http://www.spotrac.com/

          • willbest

            It doesn’t matter what it was, it only matters what the team acquiring him has to pay. And that number is 2-year 31.5 million. Dalton’s contract is a bit different, but if you look at Alex Smith. The dead money on his contract is such that it isn’t even worth cutting him until they have paid him 30 million

          • BerwynBomber

            I agree that is not worth cutting him but the business that Cutler’s contract is in-line with every other average QB is nonsense.

            Whether a team will bite on the remaining 31M , who knows. I think it will be a tough sell but then again I’m not a GM in desperate need of a QB.

          • willbest

            We are talking about different things. The Bears overpaid for Cutler (although maybe not if the salary cap jumps over 150 in 2016), but they structured the contract so that after year 1 his contract wouldn’t be an undue burden for trade purposes

          • BerwynBomber

            31.5M for an average QB is still a fuck of a lot of money. 54M guaranteed was insane anyway you cut it for a QB of Cutty’s caliber. Anyway, I hope you are right about teams being interested. But at this point who knows if brass even wants to move him. Could all be moot.

          • Big Mike

            You are arguing the wrong point. The point is that it’s not as bad to an acquiring team as it was to the Bears. This was a good, unique analysis.

          • Scott W.

            I read the hit is 15 million in 2015, and 10 million more if he’s on the roster after March 03 2015 against the 2016 cap.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yes, that’s the cap hit.

  • You know what would be funny?
    IF the Saints dump Payton, he takes the Bears job and keeps Kromer.

    • huntinbare

      No it wouldn’t…that would be considered a sick sense of humor

  • GPLDAN

    Long only Bear to make the Pro Bowl as 2nd alternate for OG.

    • BerwynBomber

      Gotta imagine Forte and Uni were close in terms of the cut line.

      • NewBearInTown

        Both deserved it statistically and in terms of what they mean to their teams. Once again, pro bowl voting a joke.

      • willbest

        That Forte didn’t get it was criminal. And AJ Green over Jeffery give me a break unless his 4 drop performance factored in.

        • BerwynBomber

          Remember, though: AJ is AFC. We’re NFC. But you could make a case for Jeffery over Megatron because of the latter’s missed games. Other NFC WRs were Dez Bryant, Jordy Nelson and Julio Jones.

          Or aren’t they still doing the even AFC/NFC split? I don’t think I’ve turned the thing on in ten years.

      • Big Mike

        No lover for Paea. I’m surprised

    • BearDown100393

      Jay gets robbed. Romania burns to the ground.

    • huntinbare

      The final judgement on our season has been recorded in the books.
      Sadly there was nothing special happening in 2014

  • BerwynBomber

    Playing off GP’s Pro Bowl news, here is one guy’s All-Pro team. No Bears but AP is a much harder team to make than PB.

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-grantland-nfl-all-pro-team/

  • AlbertInTucson

    There should be a 3rd choice on this poll, something along the lines of “The Bears are stuck with him.”

    • NewBearInTown

      I think a better poll would have been “What should the Bears take to trade Cutler?” With one option being “Don’t trade him, he’s our franchise QB.” Another being “Don’t trade him until we find our franchise QB” and several others ranging from “Trade him even if it means throwing in a pick to clear the cap space” all the way to “Trade him for what we gave up: two first rounders and a third”

  • huntinbare

    Maybe Emery is watching his old school Navy tonight…the offense is talking to him…48 plays….42 rushing attempts

    • Viva

      Canoe U!!

  • AlbertInTucson

    Bears are +7 at Minnyhaha.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Did the Lion who concussed Clausen get fined?

    • CanadaBear

      It was Ziggy Ansah. I think they usually announce fines on Wed. Haven’t seen anything yet.

  • johnnywad

    Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah boys!

    I’m gonna put the phone down for a few days and go soak up my kids on Christmas, play Canasta with my Grandmother and drink rum and cokes and so forth.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

  • GPLDAN

    Martellus Bennett does not make the Pro Bowl; Greg Olsen does.

    • Big Mike

      Toss up in my book

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