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Audibles From the Long Snapper: Defensive Line Evaluation, Eben Britton & Paddy Title Odds

| March 27th, 2014

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IS 2014 DL BETTER THAN 2013 ON PAPER?

Moon Mullin opens his CSN column, which dropped late Wednesday night, with a statement:

And now for a cold splash of perspective, one which I strongly suspect Bears general manager Phil Emery understands from painful experience:

Jared Allen or no Jared Allen, the Bears’ projected defensive line going into 2014 is arguably not as good as the one positioned to take the opening opponent’s snap in 2013.

I quite literally can’t disagree with this statement more. Here’s why:

  • Everyone needs to stop with the Corey Wootton/Stephen Paea stuff. Without seeing these two players as overwhelming positives there was no way for Moon to make the statement his column makes and neither Wootton nor Paea is an overwhelming anything. They were and are below average defensive linemen who’ve been overly celebrated due to a dearth of talent along the line.
  • The Bears now have three defensive ends (Houston, Young, Idonije) better than their second best defensive end a year ago.
  • 2014 Jared Allen is an upgrade over 2013 Julius Peppers.

What do the Bears still lack? An interior pass rusher. That is why I stand by my belief that Phil Emery should swallow his mysterious medicine and draft the best defensive player in college football last year, Aaron Donald.

EBEN BRITTON RETURNING?

From Brad Biggs:

“Eben is a guy that we have great confidence in because he can do a lot of different things, obviously,” Trestman said. “He can play a lot of different positions. He knows all the positions so his value is he can do a lot of different things and do them sufficiently to allow us to win a game and that is how we look at him. He is very good in the meeting room. He’s a very good teammate and a guy in the locker room and when he is in a game we trust him he will do his job.

“He did a good job in the last game for us, assignment-wise he played hard and so that is how we look at him. In that position, he is very good for our roster.”

Britton is still a free agent and its rare for a coach to heap praise on a player while one would imagine he’s still assessing his market value. From these comments it doesn’t seem he’s going anywhere.

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  • Shady

    Don’t understand the Woot hate, dude is built like Julius Peppers and a hip injury has been the only thing slowing him down. The guy can play inside or out and his numbers took a hit last year because the Bears were decimated by injury so they played him at DT. He’ll get two shots each year now to show Chicago made a mistake by letting him go. Hope you’re right.

    #62 is reporting as eligible.

    “Who caaaaaaaaares”

    • Big Mike

      Wooton was coming along nicely. But we got a guy who has already shown it, with possible as much upside or more. I did not read this as hate towards Wooton. Just a reality check. I though Wooton might be a guy how would have taken a big jump in 2014. I like our new guys a lot better.

  • NewBearInTown

    Wootton is not below average, you’re just spoiled by the media covering all the elite talents. At this point in his career, Wootton is a solid veteran you can plug at 3 spots on a 4-3 front. He’s got the ability to be disruptive against the pass and stout against the run. He is not someone who will lose a game. He’s not someone who will challenge for the sack title, but he’ll put some value numbers up.
    If Jared Allen is $8M for 10 sacks, and Wootton is $2M for 3 sacks, that’s decent value. And Wootton was arguably better against the run last year.

    • gpldan

      Wooten has to have a fair amount of Bears hate.

      He plays inside at DT because Melton and Collins go down, provides pressure – takes a beating inside that he would have never sustained playing LE, and has a labrum problem, and the Bears release him for being a good soldier and the fans shit on him after the fact.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        Chicago Bears Fans, with fans like these who needs bitter mortal enemies.

        • CanadaBear

          I’ll stand by this until I’m sleeping in the ground, “The Bears have some of the dumbest fans on the planet.” Thankfully they don’t visit here very often. Once in a while one of those mouth breathers stops by here but after getting tag-teamed by a few of the regulars they usually leave in a huff. Or as Groucho used to say “a minute and huff.”

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Was he getting grief off fans on the interweb? He’s like a mini-hero on here.

        • gpldan

          Irish – a few people here have said “good riddance” and “he wasn’t that good”, including Jeff. I find that some crazy talk. He was emerging as a very good LE at the end of the 2012 campaign, and last year he was pushed inside by Tucker very early because Melton went down in a pre-season game.

          And then everyone is like “fuck that guy”.

          Don’t get it.

          • Big Mike

            I haven’t been following that closely. Am surprised to hear the “fuck that guy” sentiment. To be clear, I liked Wooton. But I like Houston more.

      • Big Mike

        Agreed. But I still like our new guys better.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Wootton is a solid lineman that plays multiple positions and produces. It would have been a great member of the Bears because they don’t have a set scheme going into the new season. Guys like Wootton and Houston become very important in this context. you can use them in so many ways if you’re smart. Of course, that’s not the case with our DC so it really is a moot point. I would have spent 1,5 million for Wootton with my eyes closed (a 10 sacks in 2 years, DT-DE is always a great sign)

  • DaMurph

    In four years, he has 54 tackles and 11.5 sacks. I would call that below average.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      Wootton was the good soldier and i wanted him back. He was an highly experienced and productive version of a rookie like Tuitt. Maybe the rehab is not going well and they just couldn’t assess value as clearly as they thought.

      I like Corey and feel bad that he is gone.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Woot only wanted $2M ??They must be really worried about the hip if that’s the case. I thought he was wanting to get paid the big stuff. Wow. 2M. That sucks.

        • Johnathan Wood

          1 year, $1.5M. IMO he was gonna get Young’s contract if he hadn’t been hurt. I’m fine with Wootton as a DE3. He’s nothing special, but solid guy and good in the locker room.

          • tobijohn

            If that’s all it took for the Bears to keep him then there has to be more to the story…

          • MB30SD

            6’7″. torn hip labrum.

            that is the beginning and end of the story for phil. He’s a gamble. Period.

            That said, i think he’ll be fine, but still a gamble.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            They might stash him on IR or something, maybe he wasn’t ready to go for the start of the season – they’re worried about rehab, whatever. We need to go from day one and Phil doesn’t want to carry walking wounded. Sorry Woot.

          • tobijohn

            So i guess Minny was willing to take a chance and Phil wasn’t until the rehab was complete.. I guess Corey went with the bird in the hand. I’ll have to see if that contract was guaranteed…

    • CanadaBear

      He was dinged up his first two years and really had no production. I thought he played well in the DE rotation in 2012 (7 sacks) and was the most consistent DL men last year being the consummate teammate (playing out of position in his walk year). I wish him well except twice a year.

      • DaMurph

        I know he was dinged up and that all goes into why he is a below average lineman. Allen’s history of not missing games due to injury is huge. I wish him luck he was a good soldier, but really nothing special.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      That’s not fair… he had 51 tackles, 10 sacks, 6 Pass Def and 3 Forced Fumbles… the last 2 years. That’s a solid average, but also the money where less than that. Leaving out the flexibility he brings playing multiple roles.

      • DaMurph

        Two decent years out of four. Just because jimmy Mac won a super bowl and had a great year ain’t putting him in the hall of fame. His stats ranked him not much above average.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          The last 2 years. It’s not a great year as a rookie, 2 shitty years and than a great season in his contract year. Just like you can’t say Jeffrey is only decent because he had a 600 yards 2 years ago. Some guys need time to ‘get it’.

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    The comments about Eben Britton say one thing….that Eben’s camp thinks he is starter material and is trying to get a better offer and the Bears are willing to pay him and appreciate his services as a backup….which he is.

    He was an important piece of the puzzle last year and I hope he is back along with Bowman.

    • tobijohn

      I’d like to see them both back too. The last news I heard about Bowman was a week ago and that he was close to signing with the Giants. Haven’t heard anything since. The fact that he held his own with the state of the defensive players in front of him says a lot…

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        We have to sign him, he’s the swing tackle and that’s it. Can’t let him escape. Cannot. How Emery hasn’t signed him yet is unbelievable.This is the kind of thing that’s worrying about signing Cracker – maybe he doesn’t produce and you let guys like Eben Britton walk away.

        • CanadaBear

          A guy averages 13 sacks/year for 10 years and you’re worried about him tanking? Thus leading to worrying about us losing a backup OL man? Really?

          • MB30SD

            exactly… come on irish, we were getting there man. keep pushing the negativity down and keep bringing the positivity up maings.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I need help with that. I wear the Red and Black hats a lot. I’d like to wear the Yellow hat more often, buy you iz what you iz.

            This might be a nice print-out for your kids. We teach kids a lot without teaching them how to think.

            http://www.volunteeringnthqld.org.au/6ThinkingHatsHandout.pdf

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Eben becomes very very important to us if we lose a tackle. Any guy we draft is only a rook.

            On Allen, I’m not drinking any cracker kool aid until I see production. His stats? Yesterday’s stats. That was the first ten years of his career, he’s in the winter of that career now. Look at Pep – MVP level when he was younger, AWOL when he was older (last year). You think Allen is going to average 13 sacks a year over the next four? History suggests not. You have to worry about any aging player who has put a lot of stress on their bodies over the years.

            Unless he’s Reggie White.

          • CanadaBear

            Peppers gradually declined and his performance last year was not exactly the surprise of the century. He’s always been an up and down player. Allen’s stats are much more consistent (same as his motor). We have only 1 impact pass rusher on the team (Allen). We desperately need a pass rush. Much more than a backup OL men.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Oh I wasn’t saying Eben over Allen, just that if we have zero cash left to plug holes, then that’s cutting it fine. Who’s our swing tackle now? James Brown? Can he cut it?

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            $3M cap hit for Allen in year 1, $12.5M in year two, nothing guaranteed beyond that. 4th year will void if he hits 12 sacks in any of the first three years of the deal. All this according to Biggs. Bears still have about $7.7MM in cap room.

          • Couldn’t agree more Candada.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

    Yo Cor – did you see LSD on Letterman? He shit shimself !

    And then over in the sidebar there was a little gem of a band.Hurray for the Riff Raff. Little band from New Orleans. Love this girl’s voice.

    • Cormonster

      Yeah, Dave and Paul loved them.

      Nice find on Hurray for the Riff Rafff. Thanks, they were really good, and great voice.

      KEXP has some great bands on their show. LSD has a performance there on YouTube. Doc turned me on to a good band called Head and the Heart. That was the 1st time I heard of KEXP in Seattle. They have really nice harmonies. Another really good band that played there is called Alabama Shakes. They rock and love the singers voice.

      http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=cCkO3U1S87g

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        They call themselves a queer band. She’s cool (Puerto Rican heritage Jorge!). Left home (Bronx) at 17 and went jumping railroad cars like a hobo. That guy on KEXP sounds cool too, gonna see what else they have.

        That link just leads me to the man youtube screen …

        • Cormonster

          The queer band thing makes sense. I couldn’t tell if that really good bassist was a guy or girl.

          My four favorites at KEXP are LSD and:
          Alabama Shakes – rockin’
          Head and the Heart – great harmonies
          Valerie June – great solo performer

          I think Valerie would intrigue you.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I’ll check em out, thx.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Indeed. Dark meat is closer to my bone.

  • Johnathan Wood

    That Moon article lists Willie Young as a starter over Lamarr Houston. And that’s all I have to say about that.

  • Johnathan Wood

    Also agree 100% on Donald. If he’s there at 14, you grab him and have a great DL, which is the most important part of the defense.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      And on 3rd down this Donald guy takes his seat on the sideline leaving the opposing QBs the difficult task of attacking a Conte-Mundy-Frey secondary.

      • CanadaBear

        Why would a penetrating 3 tech DT be on the bench on 3rd downs? That’s when you want them in the game.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Snap!

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Do you know the names of the Seattle Seahawks 3T in the last 3 years ? I mean the historical Defense of the Superbowl winners and conference finalist must have a goddamn fucking stud at that 3T spot. I’m sure you must know his/their names. Please… entertain me.

          • Johnathan Wood

            different defenses run things differently. Seattle had a plethora of good pass rushers on their team, including Chris Clemons, Michael Bennett (who often played DT on pass-rushing downs), and Clif Avril.

            Seattle also had 7 guys they rotated almost evenly. Chicago needs another guy that can play well in their rotation, and right now the need is greater at DT than DE.

            You also want to talk about Seattle’s incredible D, you should mention how it fell apart in the 2012 playoffs when their only good pass rusher-Chris Clemons-got hurt. They then went out and got two more pass rushers in FA and won the Super Bowl in 2013.

            Right now the Bears need one more pass rusher for their DL. So if they can land the best pass-rushing DT in the draft (and really in the last several drafts), why wouldn’t they?

          • Johnathan Wood

            Chicago had one of the best pass defenses in the NFL in 2012 with the same secondary that was mediocre in 2013. What changed? The pass rush (and Tillman’s injury, but the pass D was mediocre in 2013 even before he got hurt).

            Carolina’s secondary last year was not good, but it looked good because of a studly pass rush.

            Same with the NYG when they won the Super Bowl, the New Orleans Saints last year, etc. A dominant DL covers for the rest of the D. If you have a chance to land a guy you think is a DL stud in the draft, you do it. Plain and simple.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The New Orleans play run with their DL and nickel behind it. The Panthers drafted a 2nd round 3T. Here’s an idea that ALL the winning teams use… play 2 DT that can stop the run on the first 2 down…then put in the pass rushing unit with the best DE and OLB.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            those morons used Michell Bennett as a 3T on pass-rushing downs and they acquired other DEs instead of a 3T after they faded in the 2012 playoffs ? Those losers !!!

          • Johnathan Wood

            they added pass rushers. Looking at the draft, Donald is a better pass rusher than anybody else who might be there for them.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            They added DE pass rushers (not DT) and they had a stellar secondary. We don’t have that.

          • Johnathan Wood

            but even with that stellar secondary their defense fell apart without a good pass rush. Pass rush is the #1 most important thing for a good defense in today’s NFL. If your DL dominates, your D will be fine.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Of course you’ll be hurt if you’re key pass rushing guy goes down with an ACL at the start of the playoffs. Take out Johnson from the Panthers, they suffer also.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            They do have a stellar secondary, arguably their SS was SB MVP. Stud at FS and a Stud TALL corner, combine that with a pass rush and that shit ain’t fair. We’re at least a year away from that if we’re lucky.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            They did without ever drafting a DT in the first 3 rounds at least. Pete Caroll that is. Hey…let’s not do it like the winners, let’s do it OUR way. Hahhahah.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Better than a ‘slender’ 305lb 6’5 Tuiitt, who sprints like a mofo?

            Won’t be any double-team that will both lay their paws on him, he’s essentially unblockable he’s that big and fast. He backslaps you and he’s gone. Anyone trying to double-team him leaves a hole somewhere else and you still haven’t blocked him. He has more upside than Donald who probably will never look better than he did in college because of his small size. We haven’t really seen Tuitt bloom because he was out injured and then wasn’t full throttle when he came back, and he’s coming out early.

            Again, there’s no way Donald is there at 14. No chance. Tuitt will be, and he may very well be the steal of the draft. Remember Kyle Long? Five starts at the position. He was under the radar. Just like Tuitt. He can play DT/DE, block kicks, damn, he could run back kicks he’s that fast. My gut feeling is to assume he’s a studly freak and be glad to get him at 14. I feel it in my draft waters. Felt it with Suh and Keuchly, now we have a chance to get s special body on the team, and we don’t need to trade up to get him. Do it Phil. Fuckkit. He’s not making it out of the first round. Bank it.

          • Big Mike

            Won’t matter. He’ll be gone.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            They lost that Williams guy in the 3T rotation for the season last year, that might have been a factor. I don’t know if Williams was their #1 before that though.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I mean… could you make my point more than that ? That’s a rookie, 5th rounder with 0 snaps in the NFL. LOLs.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            If Trestman and Emery are calling this a Defense-centric draft then that means four picks minimum. Assuming one DE and one DT is drafted (high), then we look to have a pretty decent rotation, rather than the few guys who had to play almost every down last season.

            It would be no surprise to me if he drafted Kony Ealy (but hopefully Tuitt). He’ll want the absolute best roster at DE we can put out there, because that’s the kind of guy he is.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            My draft order is S, CB, DE/DT, OLB (3-4 type), DE, TE, C, DT/NT.

          • Big Mike

            Safety over rated.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Patriots have a 1st round S, Seattle have a 1st round S, 49ers have a 1st round S, Denver have two 2nd round S, Ravens have 1st round S, New Orleans have 1. That’s 5 of the 6 teams that played conference finals the last 2 years. That can’t be a coincidence, can it ?

          • Big Mike

            Started up front, from a position of strength. Not a coincidence at all. They put themselves in position over a period of 3-4 years to have the luxury of spending a first round pick on a safety. I think other than Earl Thomas who coincidentally was the 14th pick in the draft, all came later. I don’t hate safeties. The chance to have pick a stud DT, simply is to important in my book.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well Seattle and New Orleans were in rebuilding D mode. Ravens drafted one with a lot of holes after they lost a ton of FA.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            You got me. (Tony McDaniel fact fans!).

            Wow, they lost three players off that line for this season : ” Red Bryant, Chris Clemons and Clinton McDonald, who combined for roughly 1,500 snaps in 2013″

            http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/2014/03/26/reviewing-seattles-defensive-line/

          • Big Mike

            Interior linemen don’t generally produce highlight reel plays or put up fantasy points. A good to great defensive line can more than cover for average to below average safety play. The reverse cannot be said.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I don’t play fantasy football and watch all the snaps from every game on the 30 minutes version. I love DL play… but here we talk about value in the draft. Like… RB, MLB or C are important positions, but their draft value is low.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          So a fucking rookie with chease around his mouth is going to play 3rd down before Ratliff ? Hahhahahhahah. That’s sounds like wishful thinking at best. And even if he outplays a proven multiple Pro Bowl veteran and if the Bears don’t go for a all DE pas rush unit, why risk that instead on drafting a starter in place of fucking Chris Conte ? I NEED starters and 3rd down players without many bullshit and ‘best case scenario’.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Fair point. Although I did read on a Lions blog that Young is a 3rd down killer. He has a tendency to do really dumb things after the play and such like.

            But if we had a Tuitt and it was 3rd and long, I’d absolutely want him in there opposite Cracker. Shit, if you had a Donald in there too (beside Ratliff) then that pocket collapses like a stuck balloon.

            Around Willie Young though, there will be flags.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            And put Houston on the sideline. you forget about that 3rd down stud. Plausible variations of our actual 3rd down unit: Allen-ratliff-Houston-Young, Allen-Houston-Izzy-Young, Allen-Ratliff-Izzy-Houston. Allen-Ratliff-Houston-McClellin.

          • Emery is banking that both Young and Houston shed their Lion/Raider ways and adopt the ethos and discipline of a real fucking franchise.

            mmmmBeaarsss.

          • Johnathan Wood

            you play 2 DTs at a time. Ratliff and a rookie. But whatever the case they need one more DT to start pushing Collins and Paea to backup spots with a nice solid 4-man DT rotation.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            yes… a nice 2nd rounder should do it. Geno Atkins is a 2nd rounder, Jurrell Casey (10 sacks last year) is a 3rd rounder. It’s the same thing at the end of the day. There is little difference between 1st round DT and 2nd round DT. It’s different with the skill players. PS: I’ll sign me some Kevin Williams to go along with Jared Allen. Get me that… and leave Donald for some bad team.

          • CanadaBear

            You might want to switch to decaf. Why does Ratliff have to come out if we have a 3 tech DT in the lineup? Ratliff is capable of playing either spot at DT.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You don’t get it. You should try a cup of coffee before writing stuff. I was talking about 3rd down. The 3rd down unit is a 3 DE unit…at least. Now you understand ?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            3rd and short?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            2nd and 20.

          • CanadaBear

            If the guy you drafted is a stud he stays on the field and one of the other guys goes off.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            This is all fairy land suppositions. Best case scenario. The reality is another thing. If you watch actual % of rookie DT that make a difference in pass rushing situations the examples are very few. How many stud DT were drafted from 10 to 32 in the 1st round in the last…let’s say…3 years. I mean, if he’s a stud DT that can play 3rd down he’ll likely be gone by pick 14.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        We draft the guy at 14 and then take out the hyped-up pass rushing 3T on 3rd down? Remember, it will always be 3rd and 10 on 3rd down. Tee hee.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          That’s what I’m saying. That’s my point. People don’t like thinking to much on stuff. They just want ‘dreams’. Hey guys… the best 4 NFL teams drafted only 1 DT in the last 3 drafts. It was Denver last year…they picked up a rookie 1 st rounder that ended up as their 4 DT. Seattle (remember these motherfuckers?), Patriots and 49ers don’t draft a DT in the first round for 4+ years, now. But no…let’s do it like the losers.
          PS: The 3T in Seattle Seahawks D is a 3-4 sacks type of guy who is better on run D. Everybody wants a D like that… but don’t get the basic stuff; the basic stuff is that the 3T in the Seahawks D is a ROLE player. Patriots also use a similar ‘vision’. PS2: Emery is smart and understands why things happen. That’s why I’m telling you for some time now that the Bears will NOT draft a DT at 14 (they will in the 2nd round or if they trade down in the 1st and the value is great).

          • Johnathan Wood

            look at the teams with the best DLs in the NFL. Most of them got it by investing high picks in their DL.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            NOT DT !!! That’s my point.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Technically, we don’t need DTs in this draft – desperately. We do need safeties. So drafting a DT in the first – especially a guy that could disappear like Donald – isn’t imperative. I still think we do need a top DE. A young guy. Houston is primarily a run-stuffer and I amn’t high on Willie young (neither are the Lions obviously). Allen? It remains to be seen how he produces this year, and doing it on grass. Izzy wasn’t signed to play end, and Austin Lane will be cut five minutes into training camp.

            Tuitt to DE – at 14 – and we have two pass-rushers to bring it. We can get a good SS in the second. And if Phil trades down in the first we can get a really sexy roster by not reaching.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I must repeat myself. Please get me a Stud DE in the 1st round !!! I’d love that !!! He must be ready this year… at least for 3rd down/pass rushing situation snaps. That’s key. And a outstanding luxury. That said…the actual NEED is in the secondary, where we lack starters. That’s a nightmare.

          • How many Tommie Harris, Suhs come along at DT? There’s simply a lot more DEs in every draft, helped out by OLB that get converted to DEs.

            When a Harris comes along, EVERY team would draft them early if they could.

            Donald could be that guy.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Tommie Harris had a 3,5 sacks/year career with the Bears. Suh is great, but it’s not worth it. Only 3 of the DT of last years conference finalists where 1st rounders… Vince Wilfork, Silvester Williams and Justin Smith who’s really a DE. The rookie was a non factor all year long so you only have 2 starters. One DT drafted in 2004 and one DE who plays DT drafted in 2001. In the 2012 conference finals we had 3 Dt drafted in the finals…again Smith, Wilfork and Ngata (drafted in 2006). So no DT drafted in the 1st round after 2006 in the last 2 years best 4 teams. It’s a very hit and miss position.

          • Certain positions naturally take longer. It’s almost a truism that WR takes about 3 years.

            CBs take at least 2 (look at the Card’s Peterson). DTs take about 2 years too, though Suh was an exception.

            Really, outside LB, it’s difficult for ANY rookie to come in balls out. That’s why rookie LBs always contend for DPOY, just like rookie HBs.

            Even if we draft Gilbert, I don’t expect him to become Revis year one.

            Donald will be used much the same way Aldon Smith was used, unless he really sucks or balls out.

            The thing is, Donald is much more polished than a lot of recent DTs, and that’s including Suh (who was so big and strong that he didn’t have to be as technically dominant).

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            If that’s the case he will not be there at 14. Where are talking normal circumstances. Would I take a Top 5 draft pick DT at 14 ? Sure. But the second or third DT on the Bears board ? No way.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Which somebody in the top 10 will think and therefore draft him. Donald is not in the conversation at 14 methinks. Trading down is win-win.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I want examples. Last 4 years…please.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Even though Tuitt played DT, I see him at End. So technically we’d be drafting a tackle, but only to make him the top DE in the business. I’m not pushing all out for DT at 14. We have starters at DT, but none at safety IMHO. And in this years draft, it’s not a Safeties’ class – so you either pull the trigger early or not at all.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I don’t know that ‘kid’.If he is DT/DE draft him, sure. But play a lot of 3-4 looks and make sure he’s 3rd down material. I all in for DEs. I wanted the re-sign of Wootton.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            He played DT but he looks like Pep, and he’s faster. He could play anywhere. Donald can’t. Flexibility of position is a nice bonus.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            He is a BEAST. That’s it.

          • gpldan

            Barb –

            The draft choice.. will die. As will your picks. Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!

          • Johnathan Wood

            Donald lined up at all 4 positions on the DL in college. He absolutely could handle a 3-4 DE spot in hybrid looks.

            Also: Donald was a better run stuffer in college than all the top DEs but Jernigan. He is simply an all-around beast. If he’s there at 14 (not guaranteed, but possible), you grab him. It really is that simple.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I don’t like 6’1 DEs. You may not be making the sack on a play, but if the OT has you bottled up just beside the QB, then you can reach around and get a hand on him, grab some jersey. Smaller guys get gobbled up. Not saying he wouldn’t be effective in such situations, in fact he may just be too quick for an OT’s first step.

          • You had me at “reach around”.

          • Johnathan Wood

            it wouldn’t be a full-time thing, but he has proven capable of doing it at a high level in college.

      • Big Mike

        You take Donald, 10 times out of 10. Shouldn’t even be a discussion.

  • Johnathan Wood

    I like Wootton, but make no mistake: the Bears upgraded their DEs significantly this offseason.

    Peppers to Allen–wash at worst
    Wootton to Houston–that’s a big upgrade
    McClellin to Young–LMAO

    • NewBearInTown

      Peppers to Allen is a step back in run defense.

      But Houston and Young (especially Young) make up for that in spades.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        I assume they swap out Allen for Young on run downs? 3rd and 1. They audible to pass when allen goes out. Incomplete. Job done.

      • Sactowns#1

        Thats racist!

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Well of course they did… it’s only antural when you spend 8 mil more for that position. It’s the money given to Melton.

      • Johnathan Wood

        the “$8M more” they’re spending on DEs this year is dead $$ for a guy who’s no longer on the roster.

        Allen+Houston+Young combine to have an average cap hit of what Pep would have been this year.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I still don’t get why they didn’t made him a post June cut… only to then restructure Cutler’s deal.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            It forces FA’s to take a little less, given the cap situation. If they see you have a ton of cap room and you “low ball” them then they may insulted and not willing to negotiate.

          • The same theory holds up at strip bars.

            Strippers see you with a stack of hundreds, then you fling them a dollar, they get all pissed.

            That’s why I keep my wad in my wallet, and throw them Canadian pennies.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            4 mil doesn’t change much from that point of view. It’s money for a re-sign in the works. For example Marshall.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      the article is invalid anyway since we don’t know what the 2014 DL will look like. For all we know, Emery could draft a DT in the first, draft Tuitt in the second somehow (or trade down from 14 and do both), and there’s your two starters. The likelihood he drafts no DL in the top three rounds is small, ergo you’ve got a starter, maybe two, in there somewhere at some point.

      But to say that last year’s line was better is ridiculous until you’ve seen the production of the 2014 line. Bad science.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Fucking morons don’t understand the basic concept of the unknown scheme the Bears will adopt. Maybe they draft than Mack dude and play some type of hybrid. What then ?

        • Johnathan Wood

          I would not be opposed at all to a Mack or Barr type player, but from what Emery said they’re gonna force McClellin into that role for at least one more year.

          Plus Allen and Young are both pretty much only 4-3 players, IMO, which indicates 4-3 will still be seen a lot. Though they do have Houston and Idonije at DE who can both run 3-4 looks (or a 3-3-5 nickel look with McClellin as a rush LB).

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Those tweener DE/OLB prospects like Mack and Barr come along every year. Last year it was Mingo/Jarvis Jones year before that it was Irvin, Ingram and McClellin. There’ll be more next year if we want them then.

          • Not at #32!

      • Johnathan Wood

        he’s got 3 veteran DEs on sizeable contracts for at least the next 2 years. Tough to see Emery adding a young DE high in the draft.

  • NewBearInTown

    My opinion on the NCAA NW NLRB decision.

    Unions were created to protect workers who are being exploited by their employers by getting an unfairly small share of the profits or by being subjected to unfair working conditions.

    I think the NCAA does a decent job with the working conditions stuff, though there are probably some who would disagree. But the money stuff obviously needs to be improved. Here are some suggestions.

    1) Players on scholarship should get a stipend. $12K a year seems about right. Pays what a lot of college students would make working part time, and let’s the kids get some cash in their pockets to do with as they please. With roughly 100 scholarship players in any year (25 per year minus early departures) that’s about $1M a year cost to football programs that earn $50-100M at the biggest schools. The big question would be what to do with other sports that don’t generate big money but still give out scholarships.

    2) Any money earned for a specific player’s jersey or likeness or autograph (i.e. Johnny Manziel) should be shared with the player. I think there’s room to put the money in a fund that the player can’t touch until he’s no longer eligible to play as an amateur. But then guys like Tim Tebow can get a chance to enjoy some value from their brand when its at its peak.

    3) There should be money put aside for players who are seriously injured and see their pro chances reduced or lost. Clowney bought insurance last year, but really the schools should buy that collectively for all the players – it would make for better bargaining power on rates.

    4) I think a player that completes a 4 year degree at one of these schools, plays on the team all 4 years (when not injured) and doesn’t make it to the next level should get money for grad school. Those guys sacrificed a lot to play sports that might hurt their ability to transition into an MBA program or law school, med school, etc. There should be money available to help them make up for that time – and that’s a much better way to spend the money than letting players buy themselves fast cars.

    You can say what you want about pros being men that have to make their own decisions. That logic is much less compelling for college students. They’re adults, but they are in a program that is supposed to educate them – and that includes how to handle their money. You can’t learn how to handle money if you don’t have money.

    • johnnywad

      Man do I disagree. A kid on scholarship at Northwestern University is already making more than pretty much any 19 year old in the county. Assuming they are on a full ride, they literally have no alternative to make more than are in tuition dollars.
      Secondly, teachers, pharmacists, etc. on internships work for free. They teach at schools and work in pharmacies for free as part of their education. School districts and pharmaceutical companies reap the benefit of their free labor much like Northwestern makes money on the football program.
      And finally, these kids love to play and compete at the highest level. My wife was a full ride NCAA scholarship athlete and loved every second of it. She didn’t receive a paycheck, but she gained an unforgettable life experience, learned to compete in the world and got a $250,000 education for her efforts. Why does it need to be more rewarding than that? I feel its a priveledge to be able to follow that path. Not everything in life has to be litigated, unionized and turned into business. Why can’t these kids just play ball and dream of the NFL?

      • gpldan

        The scholarship is predicated on them playing football. Playing football dominates their life to the extent that it is challenging to attend classes, esp. at a school like Northwestern, who have very few “gimme” tracks in Communications and Sports Management and other bullshit undergrad majors that say, Illinois and Michigan have.

        So the $12k stipend seems fair compared to the millions they generate as “workers” for the school. That’s the real distinction, isn’t it? The librarians have a union. They work for the school. Some of them are undergrads. People “pay” to come see them, in a sense, in tuition. But not in the way that athletes do.

        If Northwestern shuts it D1 program down rather than pay stipends, they will cut their nose off to spite their face. That’s all posturing, they aren’t walking from the revenue sharing arrangements of Big 10. The students who pack the stadiums should be given a percentage of gate ticket sales converted into the stipend, so the women’s basketball team can understand why they also don’t get $12k or whatever it is.

        • johnnywad

          Softball. They practice as much as football players do and travel more. So yeah it eats up your life. Of course it doesn’t beat up their body like football. Nothing does. I don’t see how that is relevant. You don’t like your body beaten up, don’t play football.
          With regard to time/class etc. These kids are exchanging their time on the field for a VERY expensive education, if they choose to take advantage of it. In the absence of the scholarship and the time spent on the field earning it, they would have to work and borrow money for tuition, room and board. For a degree from Northwestern you’re talking about what, $250,000 to $300,000? These kids have no way to earn that kind of dough even if they worked full time and tried to go to school. It just can’t be done by a 19-23 year old. They are being very highly rewarded for their time. If not, why do they continue to do it?

          • gpldan

            When Nebraska officials calculated the cost of attendance for an out-of-state student planning to live on campus for the 2011-12 school year, they told the federal government that student would have to pay $19,848 in tuition and fees, $1,020 for books and supplies, $8,196 for room and board and $3,422 for miscellaneous expenses including travel home, clothing, laundry, etc. The total cost: $32,486. According to the NCAA’s definition of a full scholarship, Nebraska would only be allowed to give an athlete $29,064. That $3,422 is not covered.

            Arizona State president Michael Crow puts it another way. “I had one of those scholarships as an undergraduate, but it was an ROTC scholarship,” Crow said. “Thirty-nine years ago, that scholarship paid me $100 month of spending money because that was the estimate then of what I needed to take care of my incidental expenses. And that was 39 years ago. This proposal is not dramatically different from that.”

          • johnnywad

            Okay. So let’s take your example. That’s $129,444. Fine.
            1.) Northwestern is twice that.
            2.) No kid can get books for $1000 a year so that number’s wrong
            3.) Even at $129,444, they are still making more than they could in the real world with no college education. Its still a better deal, even if one desires a degree from Nebraska in Corn Growery.

            I worked through school. More hours than any of the athletes spent practicing. All of the companies I worked for made money for my efforts. In addition, I had $50,000 in student loans when I graduated. That’s with some scholarship money for grades. Along the way, I didn’t get to travel or play games in any of the sports I loved. But I’m a slow 6′ tall white dude with no skilz. I would have traded places with a full scholarship athlete in a second for the burden of playing football instead of working at Home Depot, Hobby Lobby or any other miserable place.

          • gpldan

            The NCAA does not require schools to cover sports-related injuries – it’s optional. College athletes injured during sports-related workouts should not have to pay for medical expenses out of their own pockets.

            One player’s story:

            Former Oklahoma power forward Kyle Hardrick’s mother estimates the family has paid $10,000 in medical bills while its health insurance covered $20,000. “It’s been difficult, no doubt,” Valerie said. “You don’t imagine paying those medical bills out of your own pocket when your child gets a scholarship.”

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Are you suggesting that a major in “Star Trek : Philosophical and cultural implications” is bullshit, GP? Tsk.

      • Sactowns#1

        This thinking drives me nuts! “The price of higher education is sky high. These kids are getting a great deal.”
        1st- the price of higher education shouldnt be sky high. Say we actually change that and get back to what the public higher education system was meant to be… what then? Are these kids still getting a great deal?
        All the other analogies about interns etc dont exactly hold water. Look at the IRS ruling on interns in the film industry. These football players are generating millions from their labor and arent exactly getting experience to help them in the real world job market.
        Lastly the biggest logical steaming pile is “pay the players”. How about TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF AMATEUR SPORTS!?!?! Maybe we could have another pro football or basketball league if college sports werent shoved down our throats with their built in unfair market advantage.

        • johnnywad

          I disagree. I think kids competing in college sports are ABSOLUTELY gaining experience that helps in the real world. They aren’t learning a trade. But they are learning to function in a bigger sphere and under real pressure.

          The cost of education is what it is. Its not changing anytime soon. If something costs $250,000 and you get to trade your time for it at 19 years old and you’ve worked it off by the time you’re 23, you just fucking killed it.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            If an education costs 250,000 then there should be blood on the streets. That’s ensuring that the best jobs only go to those with money. Disgraceful. By all means have private schools where people with money can get something different, but a basic free (or close to) education is a right for all – especially in a ‘rich’ country.Although I don’t know if the USA can be called a rich country with the Fed’s Ponzi scheme there. Waging war and agency budgets are prioritized over Education by a factor of thousands. that’s insane and major F-you to the citizens. Only a knowledgeable citizen can stand up to the tyrants in charge, before Orwell’s 1984 arrives – if it hasn’t already.

        • gpldan

          Say we actually change that and get back to what the public higher education system was meant to be… what then?

          Northwestern is a private university.

  • TheBigCheesy

    2014 Jared Allen (hopefully) will be better than 2013 Julius Peppers but you don’t know about 2014 Jared Allen.

    The more appropriate comparison would be 2013 Jared Allen versus 2012 Julius Peppers, because Mullin is talking about how each line looked on paper on opening day. I don’t think you can say 2013 Jared Allen is necessarily an upgrade over 2012 Julius Peppers (they both had the same number of sacks, for one).

    You’re also forgetting about Henry Melton, who looked much better on paper at the start of 2013 than either Nate Collins or Jay Ratliff.

    And if I’m not mistaken, many argued that the reason for Wootton’s decline last year was because he was forced to play outside of position (he had 7 sacks in 2012).

    2013 Peppers Melton Wootton McClellin(lol) looked scarier to me at the time than:

    2014 Allen Ratliff Collins Houston

    Last year’s line was coming off a combined 26 sacks the previous year, while this year’s line is coming off a combined 21 sacks. Now, Collins and Ratliff missed a ton of games last year to injury, but one of those guys is ancient and the other has like 5 career starts so I don’t know how much you can expect from each over a full season… maybe they’d be about even at 26 with the previous Dline.

    The bottom line is the 2013 Dline was pretty shitty, but it didn’t look shitty on opening day. I can’t disagree with Moon’s premise.

    • Johnathan Wood

      the starters last year opening day were Peppers-Paea-Melton-Wootton.

      Chicago’s DTs now have Paea as a top backup, so that group is deeper (once they add in a starting 3T in the draft) if not necessarily better.

      DE is much better. Even if you call Allen/Peppers a wash, which I’m fine with, Houston>>Wootton and Young>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McClellin.

      It remains to be seen if the line as a whole will be better, but there is no denying the DEs have improved tremendously.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Yea whoops. I was just about to correct myself on the 2013 lineup. Peppers Paea Melton Wootton looks even better than Peppers Melton Wootton McClellin, doesn’t it…

        Can you really say Houston is a huge upgrade over Wootton? They were both coming off 7.0 sack seasons.

        And in my opinion 2013 opening day DTs are significantly better than this year’s. Nate Collins and 33 year old “Jeremiah” Ratliff? Melton was a stud coming into last year, and they wouldn’t have franchised him if they didn’t think so.

        I think you’re right about the depth though…

        • Johnathan Wood

          Houston is known primarily as a pass rusher. He’s a run stuffer who also happens to be an adequate pass rusher. So yes, he is much better than Wootton. And don’t forget McClellin to Young, which is such a huge upgrade that nobody is talking about.

          Paea to Ratliff is also a nice upgrade. DT hurts to lose Melton. I’m not denying that. Need to see how they address that in the draft before I can say how much though.

          • We don’t really know if losing Melton hurts yet. How will he perform without effective Peppers coming off a torn ACL? True, Collins suffered the same inj, but he came a lot cheaper. Plus, Houston can/will slide inside. Hub actually thinks Houston is the best 3-tech in the league!

            So really, on important downs, we’ll see.

            Allen-Ratliff-Houston-Young (that’s not including our draft picks).

            I like the look of that personally.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            He thinks a DE is the best 3T in the league? Mkay.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            How is Houston a pass rusher? He’s averaged 4 sacks a year to Jared Allen’s you-know-what. Actually, Allen’s 4 year sack average at the start of his career was almost 11 per season, missing three games. Lamar doesn’t sound like a pass rusher to me.

          • MB30SD

            13… I think the number you were alluding to is thirteen (13)

    • I would be more interested if Moon included pressures because both Young and Houston get a shit load of pressure, but just can’t seem to close the deal. That’s both good and bad, but pressures should count.

      And before Melton went down, he wasn’t looking like an all-pro.

      Ratliff is old, but as someone else noted, the injury actually saved his body for a few seasons, and even Lach said that in the long run the time off extended his career.

      I think Pepp is just done. He can no longer speed rush, and bull-rushing will take its toll on his plantar.

      I would have loved Woot, but Emery decided Young was the way to go, so we gotta trust his eye there.

      We pretty much are playing Dline by committee, like the Hawks. We got the run stuffers who grade off the charts, Young and Houston, and a pass rush specialist like Allen.

      On the inside both Ratliff and a (healtly) Paea can hold the point, while Collins spears through to get to the QB.

      This year is going to be all on Tucker on RECOGNIZING when to use his run-pass-cover-blitz packages.

      • Johnathan Wood

        the fact that Moon listed Young as a starter with Houston as depth shows that he wasn’t interested in a legitimate article. He just wanted to say “3 sacks” next to their starting DE.

        Also put Ratliff’s stats for 5 games and failed to note they came in only 5 games. If you extrapolate those to 16 he’s at about 50 tackles and 5 sacks, which is not actually that far off from Melton.

        I’ve heard Chicago beat writers suggest Ratliff is actually an upgrade over Melton. I’m not willing to go that far, especially since Ratliff is 33 and they’re different style of players. But still.

        • Bender McLugh

          Ratliff is an upgrade if he’s out there more and that he’s fully healthy and not brittle-aged. That’s a lot of if’s, which we all love, but hearing that he didn’t come back from injury to play for Dallas basically to save his body bodes well for him to have a healthy season.

          Also, it seems to me Melton is done, not that I wish him ill or anything, just seemed to me his burst and that POP off the line that made him special completely vacated him and isn’t coming back. If that’s the case, Ratliff is an upgrade.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Yup, Melton used to have a motor. That disappeared for whatever reason. May have been his injury,may have been his attitude as Emery hinted at.

          • Bender McLugh

            could be both

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Guys… I have a question for all you. I hear all this talk about the 3T and his incredible importance for a Defense. I am willing to auto-ban my sorry ass from this blog if you guys tell me the names of all 3T that started games for the Seattle Seahawks in the last 3 years. Cause if it’s such an important piece on the most important level of the defense everybody surely knows who these studs are their D being such a historical great Defense. Let’s play, baby !!!

    • Johnathan Wood

      well, Seattle is also in a great position of having the best secondary in the NFL in quite some time. But their line is set up with 7 guys who all play

      The closest thing to a 3T they had was probably Michael Bennett. But they had a lot of guys who could bring the pass rush, from inside and out. They had 3 guys who were clear plusses as pass rushers. The Bears need at least one more, and seeing as they have more at DE than DT right now, I’d say they need it at DT.

      • Johnathan Wood

        it’s not that I think the 3T is some magical position the Bears need to fill. It’s that I think they need more pass rush and have more of a need at DT than DE.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          There is no way the Chicago Bears… Da Bearssss… have more of a need of DT or DE than at S or CB. They have more of a need at TE than at DT or DE to adress in the draft (because of the scarcity of the TE position compared to the other 2).

          • It’s true, the Bears need Safeties desperately, but remember just two seasons ago, no one wanted to replace Wright or Conte because of the effective pass rush.

            The pass rush improves the entire secondary.

            Name me the starting safeties for the 9ers or Panthers.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The 49ers safety pairs are well known. THEY DRAFTED A S IN THE 1ST ROUND LAST YEAR. Also Donte Whitner, Goldson and they got Bethea from the Colts this FA. Dont’ joke about serious stuff. The Panthers had scrubs at secondary, but I do know Geoffrey and Michel that just signed with to the Steelers

          • If S if so important, why did they let Whitner walk? Goldson’s still on the 9ers?

            Bethea isn’t exactly Byrd, or Ward or even Whitner, is he?

            And the Panther’s D, with a bunch of scrubs, were an elite D last year, so you just made my argument.

            And sure, if we trade back to the 31st pick in the draft, then I have no issue with drafting a S like the 9ers.

          • MB30SD

            eric reid… turned out to be one of the best FS this year. I watched him closely in a few games. Man the guy is a beast. Strong in coverage and a monster for a FS, I think…. hold on, let me go get his measurements: 6’1″ 215, runs a 4.5 40 and has a 35″ vertical.

            Bad. Ass.

            Taken #18 overall. Didn’t hear jack shit about him before last year. Played at LSU. Sounds kinda similar to someone else I ‘know’ (psssssst… how about some dix in our backfield?)

          • and to be fair, the 9ers did get him at 18 not 31.

            But Reid IMO was a superior prospect than either Pryor or Dix. And even then he still went 4 spots behind where we’re at this year.

            Bethea is NOT Hitner IMO. Gotta make some concessions.

          • MB30SD

            I don’t know man… he’s faster than dix, but didn’t seem to have that much better a scouting report than dix. same school basically (main rivals). They’re about the same size.

          • I personally liked Reid more than Dix this year. Dix has range and some ball skills. But just something about him on tape that I don’t trust (and it’s not just that he’s a bama S, who do not have a good track record like USC QBs).

            I also look at our division and who we will face in the playoffs.

            GB now has a power running game.
            MIN ONLY has a power running game.
            DET Bush ran for like 200 yds
            SF, SEA power running game
            Panthers – Cam
            Eagles – McCoy, Skins, Morris.

            Dix is a decent tackler, but I’d personally like someone with a little more wood (that’s what she said!), or if not insane ball hawking skills like Vaccarro, Berry, Thomas.

            But Dix can be the true center fielder, but he’ll be lining up like Conte. 20 yards back.

          • On the flip side, if Emery does trust Dix to cover the back, then that would allow more blitzes by the front 7. That’s a big gamble at 14 though.

          • MB30SD

            I agree he might not be a vaccaro, but he could be. We just don’t know. Also he puts on 10 lbs of muscle and he’s a 6’1″ 220 lb free safety.

            Personally I’d rather have that great classic middle fielder fs than some fucking fs/ss hybrid.

            That’s what Pryor looks like to me… A slightly better in coverage ss. With our dl and some lb help I think dix could become that franchise for us. Next year we go kuekly MLB in 1 and our franchise ss in 3… oh and the nuts replacement in 2. Done and done

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            It’s take him a season to put on 10lbs of muscle without ‘roids. If we do well we’re not in a position to draft a Keuchly though, and as has been opined, the Mike is not the position of importance it once was. I still have high hopes for McClellin to replace Lac. If not, then Bostic. We might be looking for an OT next year, who knows.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Emery has it right. Stop the run first. Once you do that, the P-rushers pin their ears back and run amok. Tough to win games when the opposition is running it up your keester.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Nice point about the Panthers. Once your front 7 is good, safeties are less important. Although we don’t have a Keuchly we will have a solid front 7 IMHO, plus two top corners. I’d rather draft some good safeties outside of the first round that are high on a draft board, and spend the top picks on the best defensive players available. we don’t need PBers at every position on D. Nobody has that.

          • I can’t remember the Bengals safeties off the top of my head, but I don’t think they’re hot shit either.

            Hell, just two seasons ago…WE WERE A TOP 5 D WITH CONTE AND WRIGHT. WE WERE A TOP 5 D WITH CONTE AND WRIGHT.

            If that’s not enough to convince you, I don’t know what is.

            Like I said, if Donald and the rest of the top pass rushers are gone, then yeah, settle for a starting-not-spectacular safety.

            But if Donald is still on the board, to me it’s a no brainer.

          • MB30SD

            I’m ok with mundy over wright… but we need an upgrade over conte. We just do, and I don’t care where it comes from… he doesn’t have to be spectacular, just not conte-level dogshit.

            The guy is so turrible with angles and tackling. He sucks at coverage too, unless he’s lining up 30 off the ball, which is exactly what he was doing two seasons ago.

          • Hardin still available? bwhahaha

          • MB30SD

            I don’t know, but I do know that he’s getting paid $300k to sit on his ass man. Fucking grand theft larceny. Jesus

          • MB30SD

            Oh, sorry. didn’t read down barb. exactly.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            They also had Harvey Dahl as an decent 3rd option. He played after the concussion of the rookie. He was a starter in their division 2 years ago with the Rams.

          • MB30SD

            AHEM!

          • MB30SD

            Eric Reid at FS, and donte Hittner at SS.

            Two SERIOUS badasses.

            Don’t remember who they traded for this offseason to replace the jettisoned hittner, but there aren’t any starters anywhere yet anyway.

          • Johnathan Wood

            right now their top DEs are Jared Allen, Lamarr Houston, and Willie Young. All are proven starters under contract for at least 2 years, and 2 are youngish/in their prime. Then they have depth behind that in the form of Israel Idonije, 2 youngsters with upside, and 2 journeymen.

            Right now at DT they have one proven starter who is 33. The other two guys are both solid and young but have expiring contracts after this year. There is no way in hell you can even begin to make an argument that DE is a greater need than DT right now.

            At CB they return their 3 starters plus a guy who was supposed to start last year before getting hurt. They also have 2 young guys who might make a roster push. I agree CB is a big need, but it’s also worth noting the CB depth is supposed to be absolutely phenomenal in this draft.

            S is a shithole. There’s really no denying that. But I prioritize DL far above any other defensive position, so DT is still a more pressing need to me right now.

            As for TE, they have a proven very good starter and two solid veteran backups. Nobody who excites you as a backup, but they’re better off there than at DT right now.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You can get Kevin Williams for 2 mil a year + plus a phone call from Jared Allen. Position solved. You can draft a big body mobile 4-7 rounder also. Now let’s focus where it really hurts…where we don’t have quality starters….especially on 3rd down units.

          • Johnathan Wood

            Kevin Williams is 34. Then your starting DTs are 33 and 34. No thanks.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Yup, he had a good career in the Williams Wall. Past tense.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I don’t care what his age is. Is he better than any of the rookie DT for 1 year? Shit yeah. Done. That’s all I need.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Do we have 2M? If we do, I’d rather see it go to Britten. Tackles we have. OTs we don’t. Not good ones other than Britten IMHO.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            No.. we’re talking about the DT position. I’d rather pay those money to Kevin Williams rather than a rookie. The OL depth is another thing.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            We have ONE pass-rusher at DE, And he’s old-ish. We absolutely need to draft a pass-rushing DE.

          • MB30SD

            irish… you’re slipping already.

            ten years of 13 sacks man. He’s locked up for 2 years. Even if he totally slips and gives us 9 sacks a year, that’s still 2 more than pep last year. He also gets a ton of pressure when he doesn’t actually get the sack.

            As long as he doesn’t get injured, he’s going to be WELL worth the money from a pressure perspective.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Better to have him on the team than on another NFCN team, God knows he was a pain in the ass for us, the last six years. Good to hear he quit the booze if that’s true. Focuses a man.

          • MB30SD

            yep. here’s a secret for you… after watching the mullet video a few years ago I started to secretly like the guy. Seems like someone that would be fun to hang with.

            …that and, oh yeah, he’s averaged 13 sacks a year for TEN YEARS.

            That too.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Dude. Up a tree, bow and arrow, bambi. I can’t get that out of my head. He killed Bambi’s mom. he’s THAT guy.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Martellus disappeared at times last year, whole games – when Alshon and BM and Forte were on the field. I’m hoping it was because he was carrying an injury.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            He did more than ok… I was, instead, disappointed with his blocking. I give him the benefit of the doubt… put it on his new contract signed. When you get the big money, you pause a bit when you have to do the dirty work. I bet he’ll be much better next year and little better in the pass, also. I think that’s the natural evolution of his Bear career.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          I don’t even think it’s an important position – ALL positions must be played well, or there is a gap opened up for the offense.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        So… no name ? PS: Well Houston is a Michel Bennett type of player. So we’ve got that !!! Izzy also is a solution so we also have solid depth. And there’s the draft also… the 2-7 round draft.

        • Johnathan Wood

          I understand, and actually think a guy like Will Sutton could be a good option in round 2. But to me DL is far and away the most important part of a defense, so I would rather prioritize it in round 1 if a guy you think is a true difference maker is there. I think Donald is that, so I think they should grab him if he’s there.

          In regards to Houston, I don’t think he’s the same caliber of pass-rusher as Bennett. And the fact still remains they need one more pass rusher, in my opinion.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            1 year ago no one knew who Michell Bennett was if they weren’t avid ProFootballFocus readers. Houston is as similar as it gets… from what I saw and read. We’ll see.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that he WON’T be there, Woodsy. You think 13 teams will pass on him? Mathematically I can’t see it. In fact I can see a team trading UP to get him.

          • Which team do you think will draft Donald before us?
            It’s certainly a possibility. The Giants and Bucs seem to be the most likely. For trading up, crazy Jerry could trade up for him.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            A team. Some team. Doesn’t matter. They’ll go BPA! Bang.

          • Johnathan Wood

            it’s certainly possible Donald is gone. In that event my ideal would be trade back if possible, or otherwise one of the top CBs.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Trade back, yes. I like. Plenty of good players to be had. Plenty. Maybe even, dare I say it, a QB …

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            If we trade back we can use the extra pick we pick up on a QB, but if we get in the mid 20’s Hageman, Tuitt and Ealy are my dudes.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Precisely. Bag Tuitt, say “Thank you Jesus”. Get another high pick and the best lineman in the draft (maybe).

    • There are DIFFERENT types of 4-3s. Remember when the Bears had Washington and Tractor Traylor (or Fridge for that matter)? That’s a TWO GAP 4-3. Seattle did play a lot of 4-3, but their personnel was set up for 2 Gap mainly because they played hybrid too. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what I observed.

      Are we going to such a D? Supposedly, but no one really knows. All we know is that we’ve been in a 4-3 one gap cover-2 base for the past 10 years, in which a 3-tech is very important (unless you have a stud DE like Pepp in his prime, or Watt, which we don’t).

      Word is, Hawks covet Donald and will absolutely draft him if he gets within striking distance.

      They make scheme around the talent, and so should we.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Well… we should get over this Lovie withdrawal. It’s a new era and the scheme must be put in place with the personnel we have, not the other way around. In my amateur view we don’t have a classic cover 2: MLB, 3T, OLB, FS, SS. There you have it. Now go do magic in the draft Phil !!! Hahaha. PS: Seattle play a 4-3 under with a lot of hybrid looks (one DE is the OLB type, the others a 5T in front of the opposing T—> Red Bryant). They have a 3T 1 gap penetrating DT… on all downs.

        • If Seattle, who is not lacking Dlinemen, would draft Donald, why shouldn’t we?

          True disruptors are rare. When they become available, draft and build around him.

          That’s what the Seahawks did with Bruce Irvin and the 9ers with Aldon Smith and the Lions with Ziggy Ansah.

          Even if we’re moving away from classic cover-2, we need rushers period. That’s why I wouldn’t complain if Mack or even Barr fell to us (as long as Tucker knows how to use them). Clowney, Mack, Barr, Donald are the biggest disruptors in the draft (IMO).

          We get one of them, it’s all gravy. Starting safeties (not studs) can be found in rounds 2-3.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I agree. Drafting a non-studly FS in the first, and as high as 14 is suicide. it fucks your draft. I don’t see any anybody twisting their knickers over the top 2 safeties in this draft.

          • Here’s the rub Irish. IF Dix or Pryor were like Berry or Earl Thomas, I would have NO issue drafting them at 14. They were bonafide studs. When scouts were talking about them, they were in terms of “10 year starter” “Pro bowl” “All Pro” “HOF”.

            When scouts talk about Dix or Pryor, it’s more like “Meh”.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Absolutely, a ‘meh’ FS draft in the first is …well … meh. Solidify the DL and then draft a top SS later on.

            God, how many teams can we say the same thing every day over and over. Bring on the draft already.

          • MB30SD

            Dix is potentially a franchise FS 6’1″ 210.

            If we went dix, tuitt, MLB/CB, C/QB/RB

            would you be upset?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I like his size, not those 5’10 sub-200 guys so much. I’d also like a 6’2+ CB in this draft. We need to get with the program. People used to ride me for wanting taller, bigger receivers, but that’s where it’s going, ditto DBs.

          • CanadaBear

            We used to ride you because the bigger, taller receivers you liked sucked moose wang.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I like size.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Oh shit, I just noticed your draft, that’s about perfect.

            Can’t see Tuitt getting to our pick in round 2, but I like that draft very much. I’d swap out the MLB for a 6’2 CB though (unless the MLB was Bullough). But I like it.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Arguably the best 2 FS (along with Thomas) in the NFL where drafted in the 1st round pick 27 and 2nd round pick 42. Basically the chances of drafting a Top FS goes down big time even before we draft into the second round.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            ‘were drafted’, not ‘where drafted ‘ ……

            I don’t normally do this to people but I want to see you perfect your English and put native speakers to shame (plus I’m an ESL English teacher and therefore technically a grammar Nazi). If it was a typo, I’m sorry, just trying to help you.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            No, it was not. I also have problems with ‘than’ and ‘then’. Thanks for the heads up. PS: I studied english for almost 10 years, 4 hours a week, but it’s been 12 years from that point. I also only write in english on this site, so there’s a clear lack of practice involved. It’s useful for me, makes me think in english. You can read and hear a lot in one particular language (and I do with all the Tv Shows-USA sports I watch and read about), but ‘creating’ is another thing.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Oh, watch how often native speakers write ‘their’ instead of “they’re”.You’ll see it all the time. ‘Their’ means ‘belonging to them’. ‘Your’ = ‘belonging to you’. “its” = belonging to it, not “it’s”. That’s all the crucial stuff people left behind in school for some reason. Happens a lot.

            If you only write in English on this site then your English is truly awesome and I want to know how you do it please. Is it mostly reading a lot of English, is that what you did? Did you pick up the grammar from lessons or do you absorb/remember it moreso from reading in context?

          • SC Dave

            gawd…
            there / their / they’re
            affect / effect
            too / to / two
            its / it’s

            The list is endless. Although most astonishing to me is when people use apostrophes to make plurals.

          • SC Dave

            Oh and by the way, Barb, I second Irish’s accolades regarding your use of the English language. Well damn done, compadre.

          • SC Dave

            Then is time, than is comparison.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Oh… I know. But when you think while writing it’s difficult to get it right.

          • MB30SD

            the best SS in the draft was drafted in the 5th… you all know who I’m talking about (i love you kam)

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            He’s not the best SS in the NFL is he ? That Kam dude is the most handsome player in the NFL. It’s the first dude I’ve ever been jealous for his looks in my 30 years life.

          • MB30SD

            Are we talking about the same guy barbarian?

            #31, kam chancellor of the Seattle seahawks?

            Don’t recall what he looks like but I know he’s a badass

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I would keep my wife at a oceans length from that dude, man. Hahhh. I know he is great for 2 years now…I’m just not sure he is the best.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Eric Bana. Brad Pitt. For me. George Clooney looks better as an older guy than he did as a younger man. Sean Connery same. Good looking bastards.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Saettle can do what they want. We have needs and holes. PS: I don’t know any of those ‘kids’.

          • Seattle just won a SB, and they’re set to become a perennial contender.

            Who do you want the Bears to model their decisions after, the Browns? In any field you see and emulate what the leader is doing, and if you want to go maverick, better be prepared to fail horribly.

            If Donald and those other “kids” (is that who you’re referring to? I have no idea what you mean by kids) that get to the QB are gone, then yeah, take a S.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Seattle just lost three players off their DL, that’s a lot. Who are their receivers again? What happens if they drop behind in score? They’re good at winning from the front. Their offense doesn’t compare to ours IMHO.

          • MB30SD

            I agree. I think phil goes BPA at our pick amongst this group:

            * Donald
            * Jernigan
            * Gilbert
            * Dix
            * Pryor

            Maybe even in that order.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Phil’s smart. If it’s such a deep draft then he doesn’t need to draft at 14 because there isn’t that player where “we have to draft him” (other than my man IMO – I’d draft him at 14 because I want him on my team). It’s the perfect spot to trade down, still get quality players, and add another high pick to boot. If you’re making your first pick around 2-28, you’ve still got two quality players to grab in the second. That’s three quality players and you haven’t hit the third round yet. That’s gravy.

          • MB30SD

            not a fan. First time I can remember we’re drafting this high. Take your franchise guy… who all seem to come at 1-15 mostly (I posted a stats link on this a few threads ago). Sice of picking in the mid 20s and getting shit, or taking a gamble and getting mediocrity.

            Take our pick of one of the guys left in my list above, and trade down in the second if you need to. Get two immediate starters, and maybe even two franchise guys at two spots. Boom. i.e., gilbert @ 14 and tuitt in a traded down spot, give up our 4th and a 6th.

          • Cormonster

            I believe Chris Williams was the 14th pick. Sorry.

          • MB30SD

            That was with a buffoon drafting right?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Yeah, that DID turn into a sorry pick.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I read no Pro bowler was ever drafted at the 22, but a statistically anomalous plethora have been drafted at 44.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            We have two picks in the 6th, none in the 7th.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Man…that’s weak stuff. The Seattle Seahawks Pete Caroll version never drafted a DT in the first 2 rounds of the draft. So if want to emulate the leader do like they did. Let’s do this… let’s first win a SB and draft a DT the next draft after that. hahhaha. Mannnnnn. PS: You come to me with before draft rumors about what team X plans to do ? Really ? That’s what you have ?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Gloves off Barbie! The Barbarian!

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Let’s measure our dicks and drink russian votka… see what’s what !!!

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Only if we’re measuring girth, and I haven’t had a drink in five and a half years!

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Go Bear !!!

          • MB30SD

            stay on the path my son.

            As for dick size, can I play? I’m only 3 inches, but I’m built like a tuna can.

          • SC Dave

            I hear that some girls like it extra wide.

          • MB30SD

            some dave… some

          • Who’s your sponsor, the tall whites, or the short greys?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Me myself and I. Never did the meeting thing. Moment of clarity, that was all. Like a religious epiphany. Done.

          • So what you’re saying is that the Tall Whites telepathically contacted you. “Irish. No more alcohol. This is your true creator. Also, stop beating off so much, you’ll go blind.”

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            You don’t go bli7d.

          • They draft studs. You gotta give yourself the best chance at drafting studs.

            So, you think that Dix or Pryor is a BETTER PLAYER than Donald, Mack, Barr, Clowney?

            What if Clowney fell to us, and both Pryor and Dix were drafted.

            By your logic, we would draft S Jimmy Ward because we need Safeties more than DEs.

            Come at you? Are you a juggallo or something?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            What is this ? A circus job interview ? You’re putting DE, OLB and 3T DT in one bowl and get on my ass. I’m only talking about my view that Emery will not draft a pure DT at 14… if there are comparable quality players at S, CB, OLB and DE.

          • MY argument is that we should take the best pass rusher available. If we are indeed going to a hybrid look, then that could include Mack, Barr, Clowney (obviously), and yes, Donald.

            That’s where you and I perhaps differ. I do NOT think Pryor or DIx is comparable to those prospects I mentioned.

            Now, if you want to make the case for CB Gilbert at 14, then yeah, he’s a much “safer” prospect and on their tier.

            Not getting on your ass, just a spirited debate.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well if it’s a debate don’t tell me to go drink decaf (That’s an american thing, by the way. Nobody gives a fuck about that in Europe. It’s like light beer. What? That’s nonsense). You get personal when you give advice like that. So I respond the same way. We’re ok. Moving along… I don’t know any of those ‘kids’ (future rookies, newcomers, guys, dudes,…). I also don’t trust what ‘experts’ say about them. Experts had JJ Watt as a 2nd rounder until the last weeks before the draft and Geno Atkins was nobody. Those 2 are the best interior DL in the NFL. That was it for me with the pre Draft hype. I’ll read about them after the Draft and make myself some sort of basic opinion.

          • Like I said, from the tape that I’ve seen, NOT the experts (though many agree), Donald is superior to Dix or Pryor. Could I be wrong? Of course. But IMO, Donald could make more of an impact ON THE BEARS than those other safeties.

            Just like from watching tape, I think Gilbert would make more of an impact than those safeties.

            And from watching tape, if I had to pick a safety, it would be Pryor over Dix, but that’s like some preferring a black russian over a white russian. MB likes Dix over Pryor, but that’s just because he loooovess Dix.

            Like I said, IF you watch tape and come away with “Dix and Pryor are better prospects than Donald, etc, and therefore would improve the Bears more” Then I don’t know what else there is to say.

            That’s the premise.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            But doesn’t Gilbert sit on the bench for this season in that case? Ergo he would have no impact, and we picked him in the first …. You’re starting Gilbert or not?

          • Johnathan Wood

            Chicago has 3 of their top 4 CBs over 30. Odds are a CB drafted gets on the field this year.

          • Irish, Gilbert automatically becomes the nickle (sorry Frey. Thems are the breaks), which plays, what, like 50% of the time (more than Shea or even Allen, but we’ll see on the latter).

            Gilbert also becomes the returner day one, thus improving our SP teams.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Ah, I see. I read that he’s good in the air. I’d take him over Donald if Dd was there, bu I’d prefer the trade down and value hunting.

          • Trac

            85, You should never include “could I be wrong? Of course.” If you are trying to win a debate my man. Especially going against such an adversary as the “Barbarian”.
            I also notice you declined the offer to compare the size of your members. Weak 85, verrry weak. lol

          • I could give him the #s to the traumatized girls I’ve boinked over the years, but no way I’m showing my wang to a European man, Trac!

            I COULD be wrong, but I’m not (how is that for logic lol)

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You should never include “no way I’m showing my wang to a European man”, if you don’t want to seem like a ‘pro american’ bisexual guy. Cause I’m not showing my dick to no dude. That’s a life or death situation on my chart. Hah.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I never understood the two guys one girl thing. Or roasting. Being naked next to a dude ….. no. It’s not a team sport … for me. It’s not intimate then.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I have non negotiable rules about those situations.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Or he is a real man that doesn’t drink alcohol.

          • MB30SD

            Former alcoholics don’t drink it barbarian.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Aha, once an alco, always an alco. I’m an alco that doesn’t drink.

          • SC Dave

            Same think about smokers, methinks.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Can’t seem to ever shake the smoking thing.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That’s my point. you need balls to become a ‘former’ alcoholic. PS: So I read the man ? I’m gooooood.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The premise is that the tape means nothing, or very little. I mean who are the other dudes from the OL ? I’m not saying it’s not a good think watching the videos, but it could be extremely deceiving. It’s the mistake football people do right before they draft Shea McClellin before Chandler Jones. You know ?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Oh, I like you.

            And on decaf and light beer, spot on.
            “Hi can I have a coffee without the coffee, thanks.”

            Anyone want to do a good article? A few of you seem to be prone to them. And we lost Artoo (Hi Artoo!)

            Take say the last five drafts, about 15-20 ‘experts’ and see what they had to say and what happened, and who they completely missed. Put these ‘experts’ to the sword.

          • EnderWiggin

            Expect to see Artoo on a billboard someday soon. He’s modeling for Coke-Cola (been on a four week shoot)!

          • Seriously? And he just got married? As my friends say…that’s like bringing sand to the beach…

            Ah man, you know we gotta give him a lot of shit for that when he returns.

          • MB30SD

            WTF?!?!?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Fuck off.

          • EnderWiggin

            100% serious.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            No, I was just telling you to fuck off.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            (Eric Cartman voice)
            Mmkayy, you guys, just vote myself up there, like so …

          • MB30SD

            wait… you guys don’t drink coffee.. what did I miss?

            Oh, DEcaf, got it.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            There’s no ‘you guys’ around these parts. It’s why there were more empires than nations on the continent.

          • el_caney

            Barr…….. and starting watering my mouth.

          • MB30SD

            Hahahaha… love the constant juggalo references.

            always makes me think of this: http://tosh.comedycentral.com/video-clips/kqbrr3/extended-interview—kid-juggalo

          • I’m so glad videoing was not prevalent when I was that age. I once sported a duck tail! shhhh….

  • Here’s the article in which Hub states that Houston might be the best 3-tech tackle.

    “I have written and said since they signed him that Lamarr Houston might
    be the best three-technique in the NFL, but I don’t see how he projects
    as a right end”

    http://www.chicagofootball.com/2014/03/26/arkush-allen-makes-bears-a-contender/avfwrk5/

    You gotta wonder if Phil is on the same wave-length. That would explain letting Melton walk and not really making any serious overtures for other DTs.

    Hubs been positively aglow over Emery’s moves. It’s like Bizarro Hub.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      With the Allen sign Houston will play all the positions. He’ll do damage from the inside like there’s no tomorrow. He’s just to fast, smart and powerful for Guards.

    • Johnathan Wood

      I still think Emery is looking to address DT in the draft at some point, but we’ll see. I’m sure Houston will play some DT as well.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        He may well do, but likely he wants a value pick – a guy under the radar – to hit up in the third or something like that.

        • Johnathan Wood

          I still wonder about Will Sutton in round 2. His pass rush #s in 2012 were comparable to Donald 2013. Then he put on 30 pounds for 2013, weight he’s already lost again.

          Remind you of somebody else the Bears grabbed in round 2 recently?

    • gpldan
      • “Wouldn’t Bizarro Superman be black? And wouldn’t he swim underwater instead of fly?” – Elaine

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Hey .. .where’s Frank with that phone number btw …?

    • MB30SD

      whatever hub says, usually you want to go with the diametric opposite.

      • That’s what worries me.

        Arkush: Allen Makes Bears Contenders
        Arkush: Bears Class of the NFC North.

        Roh-roh.

        • gpldan

          Maybe he’s angling for booth job again.

          • Hub figures Urlacher stole his schtick of the disgruntled bitter ex. Now he’s going for a new niche.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Blind Squirrel?

        • Johnathan Wood

          Skip Bayless said the Bears were the division favorites yesterday.

          That really pissed me off.

          • That’s…disconcerting…

          • gpldan

            Fun fact: The original Children of the Corn horror film was filmed in Skip’s toupee.

          • Is Children of the Corn considered offensive by Gingers, much like those two Disney Crows to the AF AM community?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Yup, The ginger in our group got nicknamed ‘Malachi” and that was it for him. I heard it was filmed in Charlie Casserly’s mop though.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        “I have inside info which tells me Cowher will be the next HC of the Chicago Bears”. Yeah, right Hub.

  • You forgot about Henry Melton coming off a Pro Bowl, which would be like the Lions not having Ndamukong Suh coming into this year. Also I view the Peppers –> Jared Allen switcharoo probably about equal since Peppers did a lot of athletic things that didn’t necessarily show up on a stat sheet, just because he’s a freak.

    • gpldan

      Like blocking field goals from the inside tackle spot, something Allen most certainly cannot do

      • Yeah and getting his big-ass arms in the air, making the QB feel like he shouldn’t throw towards Pep. I love the Jared Allen signing, he’s great. I just don’t think it’s a huge improvement over Pep.

      • Doesn’t Izzy excel at that? Can’t remember.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          That’s why he was one of favorite Bears. Izzy was the X factor on ST.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      This is why Tuitt interests me and sent alert warnings when I saw his tape. Freaks. They’re rare. And I want them on my team not somebody elses. I thought we carried Pep last season, but he’s a big long dude and they cause problems, even if they’re just standing there with their hand up in the air.

      • el_caney

        hope he can be health enought to carry his “freak show” to pros… a Notre Dame fan.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Yup, he’s IRISH!

  • Trac

    Let’s do the math on what Emery has done to shore up the defense so far.

    1. Defense line is set. We should be able to do a much better job plugging the run and getting to the quarterback. – That’s is folks. Emery has addressed the biggest needs we had going into the draft.

    2. LB’s – Emery brought back Williams but this position still needs to be addressed. Briggs is probably on his final year and Williams is not our future, neither is Bostic. McLellin is the wild card maybe?

    3. DB’s – Re-signed Tillman, brought in some depth but no real improvements so far in FA.

    From my point of view, Phil could go one of 2 directions in the first round of the draft. He could try to draft a LB or select the best DB available. I personally don’t think Phil’s gonna draft a DE or DT in the first round due to all of his FA moves. That’s my hunch anyway.

    If Emery gets his guy in round one, I can really see him drafting offense in round 2.

    • NewBearInTown

      We still could get a lot better at the 3 tech position Trac. Alternatively, Emery could do something really surprising a draft Louis Nix who is a monster nose tackle. Nix/Ratliff up front is a scary middle of the line.In a two gap system, you could have them occupy both guards and the center pretty well by themselves.

      • Then that could free up Shea to terrorize the backfield! Perfect.

      • Trac

        I don’t see that happening though NB. Nobody drafts a NT in the first round.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          BJ Raji disagrees with you.

          • Trac

            It was a decent pick but not worth the 9th pick in the draft. Also, their defense has been almost as pathetic as ours.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            His Pick 6 in the NFC Championship, that ended up being the difference in the game, says he’s worth it.

          • Trac

            Maybe so but I personally think it’s not worth it unless I’m looking for a final piece of the puzzle. We have no business drafting a NT in the first round this year.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Maybe not, but I wouldn’t hate the pick, frees up our speedy LB’s (except Briggs) to make plays and fly around the ball, A gap blitzes would more effective as well.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            We don’t talk about that.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Had to make my point…believe me, when I replay that in my head I sob bitterly.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I never want to see that fat bastard dance again. He was dancing on our souls.

        • Dontari Poe.

          But he ran like a 4.5 at 340. That’s one fast sumo.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        That’s it ! Fuck the 3T. Have two animals plugging up the middle, rush your Allen/Tuitt ends and that’s all she wrote. Bostic up an A gap. BANG!

        • MB30SD

          that’s what she said.

      • SC Dave

        I like the idea. Remember the Traylor / Washington days? Now THAT was a line you did NOT run up the middle against.

    • Johnathan Wood

      they still need one more DT, CB, and S. Maybe a LB too, but they have 3 young guys there from the last 2 drafts, only one of whom should be starting, so maybe now.

  • Hey, Irish, does Thai have articles in their language? I know a lot of ESL students from China don’t know what articles are because they don’t have them in their language. Or am I thinking of preps? No, I’m pretty sure they lack articles.

    • Shady

      Oh Jack talk Thai, Jack talk Thai REAL good.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      No. They never fully get the article thing. Asian languages are really basic in their grammar. Shakespeare must be hilarious in Chinese or Thai. “Make noise a lot, make feel bad, not good, not like.” Imagine a whole play written like that!

      It’s the tones that get me though. Funny from their perspective. In Thai, you can think you know a word, but depending on whether you use a high, medium, low, falling or rising tone, the same ‘word’ can mean five different things. The word for the number ‘two’ is ‘sawng’ but there’s five different ways you can say it, or 7 if you make it short or long. One way it means ‘two’ another way it means ‘packet’ and say it yet another way and it means ‘whorehouse’. You can regularly make a Thai piss their pants laughing because you get a tone wrong. Westerners fix a word in their head without the correct tone – we speak in monotone – and will never get it right. Most foreigners here don’t even attempt to learn the language, and when they do, it’s all monotone and is just gibberish to the natives anyway.

      People’s languages are very interesting on a cultural mind-set level. Asians don’t get very deep and meaningful as a restriction of their language structure. There are so many ways of saying things in English, that you can play around with it until it transcends itself and then you get Yeats, Whitman, Blake or Henry Miller. Asians can drop prepositions, and it’s not always clear who or what the subject of the verb is, so misunderstandings are commonplace. Thais drop the last syllable of words – they just drop them, pretend they aren’t there – so they do the same in English and expect people to understand them. ‘House’ becomes ‘how’, ‘mouse’ becomes ‘mou’ and so on. Just as our grammar wrecks their head, the tones wreck mine.

      Our language forms our ideas and thoughts, so if your language is very basic ….

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    I agree with Trac about going DB in round 1. With the signing of Allen, Izzy, Houston, Young, Collins and Ratliff it looks like we can go after a game changer at Corner or Safety. There should be a solid DT available in the middle 2nd round for us to scoop up.
    That is….unless Emery goes all crazy badass D line mode like Seattle where they rush the passer with a crazed dog rotation of sack animals.
    I just can’t go into this season without a meaningful competition at Safety.

    • gpldan
      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        doesn’t Dix remind you Antonio Langham. Long and Lanky but can cover space and has a bit of aggressiveness? There is something that makes me think he could be good or fucking terrible.
        Pryor is a thumper. Haha, I love that style. That’s a 4year and dead Safety right there.

        • I’m with you on that Johnny. Just not at #14 if Donald is still there.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!


        I love how Pryor blows people up with BOTH shoulders. He doesn’t have one way to kill you. He comes with both guns.

    • I’ve said this all along, but I have a gut feeling that Emery’s going to give Conte another chance. It doesn’t sit well with me either, but when Emery perceives a grave deficiency on our roster, he addresses it in FA guns blazing (Bmarsh, Bushrod, Bennett, Allen…)

      • MB30SD

        uhhhhggggggggggggggggguuuuuuhhhhhhhhhgggggggggggggggguuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg!

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      can you afford to even go Corner at 1st pick though with holes at Safety and an ever present need for impactful DL’s?

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        look at me second guessing my own post.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Like somebody pointed out, Carolina don’t have safeties, but have a top D. After the Angelo cancer there was no way we were going to fix the D any time soon. If one position has to be weak this year let it be safety. Fix the DL, solidify the backers, and the safeties will not have to be excellent, they’ll just have to catch the balls put up. Can’t fix everything over night. Two PB corners, but we need to draft peanut’s heir right now – especially since he was missing for half a season.

        If we trade down we can get a top corner AND Tuitt. That’s your DL and CB roster solidified (plus you get an extra high pick, draft Bucannon!) MB and I could play safety with that DL in front of us.

  • gpldan

    I guess I just must be missing the 1st round talent here. He’s lanky and can move in space, but not freakishly so. His tackling technique is some kinda Chris Conte variation of the matador spin.

    Donald or Jerrigan for me.

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!


    I’ve just convinced myself. You need PRYOR. This guy is a damn hitman. You have to be prepared to get some bullshit “defenseless receiver” calls but this kind of brutal throwback style could result in some badassity coming back to the D.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      As a scout you simply cannot ignore the fact that they guy takes angles to kill. he tackles with BOTH shoulders. he delivers killshots with BOTH shoulders. That means he has full control over his body and doesn’t just turn himself into an unguided missile. This is a deadly guided missile that can fly into a bathroom air vent from hundred of miles away. He comes up on the run well and delivers deathly hellfire upon infidel WR’s coming across the middle.

      • MB30SD

        Yeah. We have a ss that we’ve already paid for in mundy. Don’t need one at 14 maings. Need to replace conte… badly!

        Also, the way this kid hit he’s either going to be dead in a couple yyears or he’ll be benched for like 10 hit to the helmet in a single game

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          agreed, I just reversed course for the 15th time. Dix or Gilbert I say. I will be changing my mind again in 2hrs.

    • I reaaallly like Pryor. I think we need more of his style, esp in the back end. I also believe he will make a better SS because his cover/zone skills aren’t at the level of his violence, not yet at least.

      Pryor also seems to flash some ball skills too. When I put up that reel for MB, he drooled, but then went back to preferring Dix. I guess he’s obsessed with Dix (NTTAWT).

      I think his theory is that a SS can be found in later rounds, while a true playmaking pure FS are rarer. Don’t know though. Can’t speak for MB, esp when he’s got Dix on his mind.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Yup, MB loves Dix, Bush not so much. He was never interested in Bush. He likes it strong and tough in the backfield there, offensively or defensively. Once you open up your backside, gotta be careful or they take it to the house. Loves his big weapons. Anything with a long shaft. Yup.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      He’s the one safety that interests me, the only one. Trade down, grab Pryor AND Tuitt. Happy days. The rest is just gravy.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    How about Deone Bucannon, 2nd-3rd Round?

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      I was just going to ask that. I can’t see him lasting until RD 3 but with the 14th pick shouldn’t he still be there in case we go DL in RD 1?
      What if Phil mind banged everyone and took Pryor in 1 and Bucannon in 2 and picked up a DL in Rd 3 or another cheap vet min FA DT?

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        A team like the Ravens at 17 could be a team that would trade up in 2 to get him so maybe phil can work a deal.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          it’s like adult football xmas. Can’t wait for the draft. The Bears will have some teeth this year on D.

      • Johnathan Wood

        they’re 19 in round 2, behind Baltimore and all the other 8-8 teams they’re ahead of in round 1. It rotates.
        So they’re 14 rd 1, 19 rd 2, 18 rd 3, 17 rd 4, 16 rd 5, 15 rd 6

        • Cormonster

          Thanks for that information. I was wondering about that.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          well….that fucking sucks.

          • EnderWiggin

            That would make the 14th overall even more valuable to us, neh?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            If we trade down, we increase our chance of hitting on players by virtue of the extra pick/picks. At 14 you’re kind of hoping to draft Jesus.

          • bearsfantillend

            Jesus wouldn’t be available at 14. That dude’s a beast, i heard his training running the hills around Mount Sinai carrying a fricking cross.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        He might be able to trade down and get both of those guys, plus get us another pick …

  • gpldan

    Don’t issue him a uniform, he’s already GOT one – issued by Phil Knight personally.

    Cue the Marshall Mathers music – he’s the pick, he’s the man, he’s JOHNNY FOOTBALL

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2014/03/27/johnny-manziel-pro-day-texas-a-and-m/6965477/

    • MB30SD

      Uuuhhhgggg

  • Guest

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    • MB30SD

      EXCELLENT post!

      • deep, insightful, and full of a perspective that we don’t often see around these parts. i’m going to sit back with my whiskey and mull things over for a bit.

        this. changes. everything.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          you make me laugh consistently.

          • MB30SD

            it’s partly the mustache. The other part is that his fiance hates conte almost as much as me. two words… keeper.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          You do realize this is exactly how they would initiate contact with the blog. Firstly, guest account, very smart. You couldn’t just pop up with a handle like “Long Live Zeta Reticuli!! and then start spouting your globalist alien agenda. We’re all too intelligent for that. We’d be all like “…ALIENS! AHHHHHHH!..” and the game’s up. But a guest account … with just the first letter of the star system you come from …. smart, eh?

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Ok so here is my mock for Da Bears:

    1) Justin Gilbert, CB

    2) Deone Bucannon, S

    3) Kareem Martin, DE

    4) Daquan Jones, NT

    5) Max Bullough, ILB

    6) Gabe Ikard, C

    6) William Clarke, DE

    • Trac

      6 defensive players? Meh. I’m thinking min 2 offensive players, most likely 3. There’s going to be a couple of head scratchers fo sho.

      • Johnathan Wood

        how many DEs do you think they’re gonna keep on the roster? Geez

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          I know, I know…I couldn’t pass up Clarke there, but maybe we use that 2nd 6th rounder on a RB.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        I’m just trying to think where on offense to spend the pick, maybe Garoppolo in the 2nd? A RB with that 2nd 6th rounder? With the WR class being so deep, I would imagine that we would just grab one of those as a UDFA and I addressed the OL.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          What’s wrong with Michael Ford? I’ll puke a nut if we draft a RB, unless it’s a behemoth we draft.

          • bearsfantillend

            yes Michael Ford can run through walls, his juke is so good that even the announcers lose their jock straps. He also trained with Cirque du Soleil this off season so he will be able to jump over any tackler while doing 4 twists and 2 flips. The guy is so awesome that he didn’t even see the field last year, yet based on some insignificant runs in preseason against guys that tackle like Conte he is considered one of the greatest backups we could have.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Do we carry three RBs? I guess we do. A pass catching Michael Bush type would be nice to have.

      • Big Mike

        4 defense 2 offense. Tops

    • gpldan

      That would be an awesome draft.

  • I’ll do a quick “NO QB drafted before #14” Mock draft, just for fun, to see what kind of talent would fall to us in a worst case scenario.

    1. Texans, DE Clowney
    2. Falcons (trade up with Rams), LB Mack
    3. Jags, WR Watkins
    4. Browns, OT Robinson
    5. Raiders, LB Barr
    6. Rams (trade down w Falcons), WR Evans
    7. Bucs, CB Dennard
    8. Vikes, OT Matthews
    9. Bills, OT Lewan
    10. Lions, CB Gilbert
    11. Titans, S Pryor
    12. Giants, DT Donald
    13. Rams, FS Dix
    14. Bears…DE Ealy, DT Hageman, DT Jernigan, NT Nix, DE/OLB Ford, DE Tuitt, ILB Mosely

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      I like that Nix has lost 30lbs. He is faster, healthier and will allow his knee not to collapse like Melton’s fat knee. Tuitt is intriguing because he has the ability to add 20lbs of muscle onto his 6’6 310 frame. That would be like Frankenstein(‘s monster).

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        I wouldn’t want him bulking up, it’d just slow him down. He’s a 20 year old Pep.

    • NewBearInTown

      In this scenario I like either Jernigan or Mosely. Probably Mosely, but neither would upset me.

      And I think its not unrealistic to see a no-QB draft by the way. Happened last year with the same mixed reviews on the QB class.

      • I think some team will get an itchy finger, NB. Some team will flinch. I would bet the Raiders or Browns.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          there will be a couple of team that won’t be able to resist Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater and it will be a fucking disaster. Hopefully they all go in the top 13…..

          • Johnathan Wood

            Carr too. The more O guys in the top 13 the better for Chicago.

            Though somebody falling to 14 could be good too for a tradeback.

          • NewBearInTown

            Best thing for the Bears would be if Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles and a surprise like Garrapolo all get taken in the top 13. Then Carr is the obvious choice for the next QB hungry team and we’re in prime position for a trade down.
            But with 4 QBs off the board that quickly, our dream player might still be available. Then it becomes tough.
            Do you walk away from Aaron Donald, or Justin Gilbert, or whoever your favorite guy is? What if you get offered a 2nd round pick to move back to the low 20s?

          • Not if Donald or Glibert are there. No way do I trade down. If they’re gone and both safeties are still available, then yeah, trade down.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t get it with Gilbert. Does he start this year? Or are we spending the 14th pick in the draft for a backup? Can he play Safety? Won’t there be top CB prospects next year? Is this for depth in 2014 and a replacement in 2015? not a big fan of that strategy.

          • Johnathan Wood

            personally I love Donald that much that if he’s there at 14 I’m grabbing him unless somebody throws me a pick in the 20s and their 1st rounder next year.

            But if Donald is gone I’m 100% behind moving back to pick up a 2nd.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Then we move back to the low 20s. In a heartbeat. How would we not?

          • Big Mike

            Juicy, draft day drama. It comes down to how Emery and crew have built their draft board. How big a drop from their top guys, to the 2nd group. If it’s overwhelming, (like what must have happened 2 years ago in the 2nd round going after Jeffery), they’ll take their guy.

          • Big Mike

            In my opinion a big push on either side is best for the Bears. The more lopsided the picks get to one side of the ball or the other, the stronger are position is at 14. Either because a guy we didn’t think would be there falls to us, OR a guy someone behind us didn’t think they’d have a shot us is there at 14. Could happen. If the latter scenario happened we could have multiple suitors at 14, from trading back a only a couple spots and picking up a 3rd rounder to trading way back and getting a 2nd rounder or even a couple of picks.
            Worst case, balanced picks on either side of the ball.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Bortles and Bridgewater will go before us. Manziel will be there when we’re picking, and he’s the last guy in the draft we should pick.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Dee Ford would be the ultimate cutesy PE pick! I would demand his resignation if he did that. Heck No! Everyone else on your list is good.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      If the draft breaks this way, what do you think the odds are that we would get CLE to pony up their 2 3rd rounders to move up from 26 to 14 to get their QB?

      • Johnathan Wood

        they’d give up a 2nd, I bet.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          I would take that in a heartbeat.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            I want a top talent and at 14 we get a top talent. Over the years we’ve watched some of the worst draft day decisions ever. i’ve watched Angelo trade back from getting impact players year after year after year which is ludicrous. It’s time to take a no brainer at 14. A no brainer at 19 in the 2nd and go into the season with holes filled, optimism high and swagger off the charts.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Guys like Hageman and Tuitt should be available at 26, maybe Nix falls. There should be a good get at 26 and we pick up an extra pick.

          • Johnathan Wood

            I would love to trade back with SF to 30 (if they want to move up for a WR-they have a ton of picks, more than could ever make that team, so they will trade up at some point) for an extra 2nd and late round pick (we’ll say a 6th).

            at 30 somebody from Kyle Fuller, Hageman, Jimmy Ward, Tuitt, Jason Verrett, maybe even one of the top 2 safeties fell and will be there. You will get a good player, and then have two late-ish 2nd round picks to grab two more.

            Could have your CB, S, and DT by the end of round 2 and then 5 more picks from rounds 3-6 to take BPA.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Yeah, I mean if you end up with Tuitt or Hageman, Then Bucannon and Baptiste you have the core of a brilliant draft class.

          • Johnathan Wood

            You’d hope. I like all those guys, but there’s no guaranteeing any of them pan out. But an extra 2nd (or even 3rd) gives you one more player with a good chance of becoming something.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            three six round picks? Don’t build teams from them. Maximize our higher round picks, drop down a little bit, grabyour guy anyway and get an extra 2nd rounder.

          • Big Mike

            Wouldn’t want to make SF stronger. In spite of Seattle winning the SB, I think Harbaugh’s boys are the team to beat.

          • Johnathan Wood

            You have to do what’s best for your team rather than worrying about the other guys.

          • MB30SD

            this

          • beninnorcal

            The game you are describing was actually at Soldier in ’11, I was there and it was over at halftime. The reason it felt so nice was because the kitties came in riding high, as they had beaten us(barely) in there casa a few weeks before. #6 went down a week or two later with the thumb, that was the season.

          • MB30SD

            Right… was that the game the lezzie pulled DJ down by the back of his helmet on a pick 6 run back… I was thinking it was that game.

          • Johnathan Wood

            historically picks 1-13 have highest value, then 14-30 are all about the same.

            Not saying that always plays out, but historically. Rounds 2 and 3 are almost as good as the second half of round 1. It’s like playing the lotto and giving yourself more tickets for free.

          • Big Mike

            That rings true. But haven’t some analysts said this is a very deep draft. Not spectacular at 1-5, but from 6-30 very, very good. With the number of Juniors that came out, it makes sense that historical assessments of the value of the early picks has changed.

          • Johnathan Wood

            yep, over 100 underclassmen declared, about 30 more than last year, which also set a record. That’s an entire extra round of talent. Means the later rounds will be rich with solid guys, and UDFA too.

      • SC Dave

        Zero on giving up two picks.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          I was going by the draft value chart.

          • Big Mike

            Since the rookie pay scale was implemented, I’ve read that the draft value chart has become less accurate.

    • I think a case can be made for just about any of them. Ford would probably be the riskiest though, esp since we already have a “tweener”.

    • Trac

      How often are players traded with draft picks?

    • Trac

      Oddly enough, most mocks have Donald falling to us.

      • Big Mike

        The Mocks I have seen have the Giants taking Donald at 12.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Hmm. I wonder.

      Was there ever an ACTUAL draft that didn’t include a QB in the top 14 picks?

      Have to doubt that.

      • IF you don’t remember Al, NO ONE can.

        Maybe back in the Red Grange days? I doubt even that.

        My best guess is that at least 3 QBs will go before #14.

        Bortles, Bridgewater, and surprise, Carr.

        I know one QB will fall, and my best guess is that it’s either going to be Manziel, or Bridgewater.

        And hopefully, a team falls in love with TE Ebron and WR Marquise Lee.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Manziel will go like Tebow in the draft.

      • bearsfantillend

        last year EJ Manual was the 1st QB drafted at 16.
        2000 Pennington drafted at 18
        1996 NO QB drafted in 1st round.

        • Well, I’ll be damned. I didn’t even think of last year lol

          Last year was really a bad QB class.

          Jets, Raiders, Browns and Jags all passed on QB too, for various reasons.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Wow, and this is probably a worse class for QBs? We’re trading down.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Maybe this guy in the 4th-5th?

  • AlbertInTucson

    HATE to hear what is happening to Jim Kelly. Oral cancer and no, he was not a smoker or smokeless tobacco user.

    • gpldan

      Is it because of what Michael Douglas said?

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      sadly, two awesome activities can lead to oral cancer. Booze and …uhhh…pleasuring ????

      • MB30SD

        I am so fucked (see ho… ahhh never mind)

  • NewBearInTown

    Quick cool story.

    I’m currently representing former Bears RB Robin Earl, who missed the 85 team by one year. We’re wrapping up our project, so he reached into his bag today and handed me a gift.

    A nice black and white photo of him playing fullback running ahead of Walter. Signed it to me and everything.

    Once I frame it, it’ll look really nice on the office wall 🙂

    • Cormonster

      Sweet. I remember him. I think he also played TE or started as one.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Earl was a big, bruising fullback at U of Washington and finished his career there as the Huskies #2 all time leading rusher at the time. The Bears used him mostly at tight end (3rd round pick in ’77) but he did play some FB for them. Started off for the Bears as #39 and then switched to #81.

        • johnnywad

          (Al cleans his glasses and leans back in his big leather reading chair. Folding his hands across his belly he sighs as he surveys his pupils. He leans back farther still and with a second, larger sigh, thinks a single thought…….”Dumbasses”.)

          • AlbertInTucson

            No, no, not at all guys, please. I’m not trying to flaunt a gianormous brain or such, even if I HAD one. Just like to fill in the blanks when I can and that info was NOT off the top of my head.

            And let’s leave my belly out of these discussions..

          • johnnywad

            No flaunting. You’re the resident historian. Its pretty cool. I’m guessing about 25 years til its my turn.

          • NewBearInTown

            You can check out his son Kevin, plays quarterback for the University of South Dakota. Definitely has the pedigree.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Has Howie Long got any more rugrats?

    • Trac

      Gary Fencik used to come to our QB Club meetings at Barrington HS. Does that count? He attended H.S. there and his dad was the Athletic Director. It was pretty cool and I was amazed at how small Fencik was(Actually he wasn’t small, just average). Yeah, that’s right, I sized him up. lol.

      • MB30SD

        did his penis look like a tuna can?

        • Trac

          stay away from the vodka. Smh. Lol.

          • MB30SD

            I actually am a very light drinker trac. I’m not an addiction guy, unless you count exercise or my kids.

            The details of my life are quite inconsequential. Summers in Rangoon… as a child we’d make meat helmets… luge lessons. Pretty standard stuff really.

            There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum trac, it’s breathtaking… I suggest you try it.

          • Shady

            When I was insolent, I was placed in a burlap sack and beaten with reeds. Pretty standard, really.

            http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=lTJj4wbmAhk&video_start=19&audio=lTJj4wbmAhk&audio_start=19

          • I only hate two things: people intolerant of other races, and the Dutch.

          • SC Dave

            Too much…well played

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            We were so poor we used to have cold poison for breakfast. Things were so hard we got up two hours before we went to bed etc.

      • tobijohn

        Years ago, when I worked at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, I used to chat a bit with Tom Hicks (the guy who Mike Singletary replaced) when he occasionally came over to flirt with a girl who worked next to me. Nice enough guy and he definitely was built like a linebacker…

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Did he ever fuck her?

          • tobijohn

            No but I did….

          • Shady

            Bang! Bang!

    • tobijohn

      Assuming it won’t breach lawyer/client confidentiality, what’s he up to these days? Unless they were iconic, you seldom hear anything about the pre 85 Bears…

      • NewBearInTown

        He’s sold different things over the year. Some insurance, some investment stuff. Right now he’s setting himself up as an energy broker – basically selling electricity.
        I think that’s about as much as I can say… I would have mentioned earlier, but I try to keep this sort of thing quiet. Then he gave me a picture to hang on my wall, so I figured I could mention it on the blog.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Whoa Nelly, not so fast. I’m going to file against you on behalf of Mr. Earl for disclosure without Prior consent, and conspiracy to perpetuate a fraudulent misnomer (McMurphy vs Tallon 1972). Issuing a habeus corpus writ forthwith.

          Bailiff!

    • Big Mike

      I remember a game Robin Earl totally dominated. It was a snowy, wet field. He was the only player that seemed to be able to get any traction. Does anyone remember that?

  • Trac

    I brought up Alan Page’s name about a week ago and I can’t help but notice the irony now that we have the Hillbilly. I can’t wait for the season to start, oh the agony of it all!

    • AlbertInTucson

      We can only HOPE for history repeating there, Trac.

      Page made the Vikings look quite SILLY after they let him go.

      He was still a defensive STUD as a Chicago Bear.

      In their prime, Purple People Eaters Page, Jim “Worng Way” Marshall, Carl Eller and Gary (no, not THE FAR SIDE guy) Larson were as good as it gets.

      • Big Mike

        and Alan Page was way older when he joined the Bears. Wasn’t he?

  • MB30SD
    • Shady

      Looks like Emery found his man.

      • MB30SD

        sheeeeit. can you fucking imagine. I would shit myself on the spot. literally.

        • Big Mike

          It would fit, wouldn’t it. Both of his first year picks were WTF? He’s batting .500. And if CD, has a rebirth as a stud SAM, then he’s a god and we should just recognize we are not as good at this as he is.

  • gpldan

    For those of you that Vape using those e-ciggys or plug in the latest stupid knick knack from thinkgeek – just know that the Reds on the Dark Side of the Moon have all your base belong to them

    http://jesterscourt.cc/2014/03/14/what-would-i-do-if-i-was-in-the-chinese-pla/

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Fact police :

      1. Napoleon didn’t say that about interrupting your enemy while they’re making a mistake, Sun Tzu did.

      2. It’s not widely known that inside each Chinese-made USB device there lives a microscopic alien race called the Hiawathan Rent Boys from Rectum Six, that run a gambling cartel using field mice as –

      {IRISH ! NO !}

      Sorry.

      • gpldan

        Hiawathan Rent Boys from Rectum Six

        I now have my fantasy team name.

        • MB30SD

          I was going to suggest maybe for your next kid?

  • Bear Down in Tampa
    • Johnathan Wood

      he’s not going anywhere

    • johnnywad

      Man that’s awesome to read. I don’t remember another pro athlete that has made such an effort to become a better person. He’s the goods.

      He and Cutty along with Alshon and those new grunts up front can really put some numbers together over the next several seasons under Trest. I think we’re about to watch something unfold that we’ll talk about in the same frame of reference with Kurt Warner’s Rams.

      • MB30SD

        this.

  • Cormonster

    The Badgers trounced Mike Singletary’s Bears tonight, making me a very happy guy.

  • Johnny Football!

    “Were this a game and not a scripted throwing session without a
    defender in sight, Manziel’s stat line would read 61-for-64 passing,
    including one drop, one pass caught just out of bounds and one throw
    that Manziel just missed.

    “It’s a controlled environment, so you
    expect that he would be (accurate). But the way that the ball came out,
    and the way that he handled himself was impressive,” Houston Texans
    general manager Rick Smith said. “The leadership that he showed, the
    accuracy that he showed, all those things — it was a good day for him.”

    So I guess the Texans aren’t drafting him. Also, it was notable that only the Browns and Bears’ weren’t present at his pro-day.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2014/03/27/johnny-manziel-pro-day-texas-a-and-m/6965477/

    • Johnathan Wood

      I’m guessing plenty of teams were there for the stud OT and WR more than the QB.

    • gpldan

      More interesting the Browns weren’t.

      I still think the Vikes take JOHNNY FOOTBALL (always use all caps to say his name) and that should be entertaining.

      • johnnywad

        This kid thinks he’s bigger than the NFL. He’s going to crash hard in a couple of years. Maybe he and Mark Sanchez and Brady Quinn can own some bars together or something.

        • MB30SD

          bin…. go.

    • Big Mike

      or it’s a smoke screen to try and create value.

  • gpldan

    Rednecks B Dum

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      That happened about 5 minutes away from where I live.

  • I was going to post this earlier for MB, but I’ll post it now.

    FS Eric Reid’s scouting profile (taken #18)

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/eric-reid?id=2540152

    FS Dix’s

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/ha%20ha-clinton-dix?id=2543470

    • Also…Ed Reed is still out there.

      • Johnathan Wood

        that would be awesome… in 2008.

        • You’d start Conte over Reed?

          Which should start a blog poll.

          • Johnathan Wood

            I would 100% start Chris Conte over Ed Reed in 2014. Reed left washed up in the rearview mirror 2 years ago.

          • Big Mike

            agreed.

          • johnnywad

            I would start Reed’s helmet all by itself over Conte. But I’m all about sending messages.

          • Big Mike

            hilarious

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I’d just cut Conte. I would trade down five spots and draft Tuitt, and I would flat cut Conte.

          • Big Mike

            I think you would have to start Conte over Reed. There comes a point in time where knowledge, heart, instincts and all the intangibles get their asses kicked by mother nature. As soon as Ed Reed saw that Chris Conte was starting over him,I think he would have to retire…

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      The difference is that this year NFL network went with a different evaluator this year who thinks Aaron Donald is a 4th rounder. Walter Football has pretty good information.

      • NFL.com actually scooped up Nawrocki who used to work for Pro Football Weekly, Hub’s old mag. He’s the guy who got flack for saying Cam was a big baby.

        I actually think he’s a good evaluator, but he can be over the top sometimes.

        Mayock is usually pretty accurate as to HOW GMs view prospects, but man Mayock can suck at evaluating QBs.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          He had Jeffery as a 3rd rounder. Why ? Because the ‘kid’ didn’t have much enthusiasm of playing for free with crappy QBs. I mean how fucked up is that ? That’s smart for me. The same thing happened with the best WR in last year’s draft Keenan Allen, a 3rd rounder. Are you a moron ? That dude is a baller, that’s all that matters. All these experts and stupid GMs missed badly on the best 3 WRs 2 years in a row….Jeffery, Gordon and Allen. How fucking useless are these guys ? WR is the easiest position to evaluate. It’s pathetic !

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Angelo made 6 million a year Barb. There’s no justice in this world, no rhyme, no reason.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            He was a good ass kisser of the ultra rich. It’s more about being good at politics and PR than at actual football decisions. that’s the reason only a bunch of teams win. There is just a huge difference between the level of the GMs. They ‘sell’ the franchise QB as the main reason. It’s pure bullshit for the naive. The franchise GM is the Man. That’s the most up sided ‘position’ in the NFL.

          • MB30SD

            unfortunately this is how much of life works. I see tons of utterly useless business men being successful cause people like them and they bullshit well.

          • tobijohn

            Back when I was in corporate IT, it was rampant and the biggest reason I didn’t get back into that field when I relocated to South FL (well, that and the fact that it didn’t pay very well anymore)…

          • MB30SD

            please stop. I might not be able to bare it irish.

            FML.

          • Big Mike

            Alshon ended in the perfect situation with a QB who loves tall strong receivers, The perfect role model, a mandate from the HC and OC to spread the ball around. It’s the perfect storm. How do you project that? The rest of the league didn’t value him as a first rounder. So he was off by one round. Everyone underestimated Jeffery. But our guy scooped him up. I don’t even the Bears projected that they had gotten an all-pro.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            If you read Emery’s statements when the pick happened I wouldn’t be so sure. He traded up for a position that he already made 20 times stronger in FA. There were a lot of bigger holes in that team. I think he saw him a Top 25 pick. I love when GMs take fantastic players in the 2,3,4 round. They know these guys are great, but bank on the other losers not seeing that.

          • bearsfantillend

            No position in the NFL is easy to evaluate. Players from every position can have the perfect physical traits and all the abilities of Greek Gods and still be busts. The problem with trying to evaluate players is not with looking at the numbers and their stats in college, its more looking at the type of person that player is. These intangibles are what GMs and teams have to assess. If a player had issues in college whether it be on the field or off the field has to be taken into account on where a player is drafted. GMs are about to give these players millions of dollars, you have to weigh the risks that the player poses for staying on the field.

            as for the 3 players you mentioned
            Josh Gordon – Drug issues suspended a year in college
            Keenan Allen – Knee injury
            Jeffery – questions on work Ethic.

            All those are like pretty good reasons for where they went in the draft.

            For instance Justin Blackmon was drafted 5th a couple years ago, he has all the abilities in the world but he has issues with alcohol and drugs, which was apparent in college. It is a Risk/Reward system some teams are willing to take a greater risk some are not, and teams have become more hesitant to take those risks in the first round.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I said the easiest… not easy per se. One smoked pot, one had a rather normal injury and the other one didn’t want to play for free with shitty QBs. That’s a usual monday in every NFL locker room. It’s also bullshit because teams will draft ‘rookies’ with such problems in they are sure of a certain level of production. The Clowney (whatever his name is) is going to be drafted 1st or 2nd. Von Miller or Suh were drafted into that spots. So it’s not about that as much as GMs understanding value where it’s a little bit more difficult to see it. There also has to be PR support, they are obsessed with that. PS: Our GM Phil Emery doesn’t give a fuck… he drafted that Wilson kid who has almost banned from the draft, because he ‘rebelled’ against some sorry ass white ‘old school’ coach. I love it…it shows character… a young kid risking a lot of money for the good of the team.

    • MB30SD

      mmmmmm…. this sounds about right:

      “BOTTOM LINE
      Lean, athletic, physical, instinctive free safety with starter-caliber range, coverage skills and tackling ability. Was not an omnipresent ballhawk or violent eraser, but should step into a starting role right away and solidify the position.”

  • bearsfantillend

    Can we please have a button to auto expand to show all comments?

    • like your avatar got auto-expanded?

      • johnnywad

        His avatar rules

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Is that Major Wright?

          • gpldan

            Marty McFly?

          • MB30SD

            who?

  • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt
  • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

    If we do trade down and get an extra 2nd rd pick, get our DB and DL players, we might pick this Carlos Hyde up too at low 2nd/3rd rd. RB. 6’0 240lbs. ‘El Guapo’

    STRENGTHS: Well-built from head to toe and is at his best running with a head of steam, lowering his pads and pounding forward. Powerful North/South runner. Combination of power and drive, refusing to be stopped. Some fluidity to his 240-pound frame to wiggle out of tackles, showing an excellent ability to absorb hits while continuing to pump his legs. Can turn on the jets when he needs to win the edge.

    WEAKNESSES: He tends to have an identity crisis at times, not breaking as many tackles as expected. Got winded and fatigued in some games. Ground and pound style isn’t an ideal fit for today’s spread-out NFL game. Will have to answer questions about three-game suspension in 2013 following alleged incident with a female at a nightclub over the summer. Did show significant remorse.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

    NBIT – what’s our legal status on this? Verbal agreement, legally binding?

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  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Brandon Marshall (message to those who think he’ll require diva status and money):

    “I have another year left on my contract. If it happens, it happens, if it doesn’t, I’m glad to be a Bear for another year and I’m going to force them to sign me after next year,” Marshall told ESPN Chicago 1000. “One way or another, they’re going to get the deal done.
    “But if it comes down to next year, I’ll be picketing outside of Halas Hall for a new deal, a new contract, because I’m not going anyplace.”
    “I’m not going anywhere, man,” Marshall said. “The guys that are out there now like Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald they’re making $16 million, $15 million a year, and I’m not looking for anything like that. A lot of that money goes to the quarterback position and rightfully so.
    “For me, we do want to sign guys like Jared Allen and Lamarr Houston and we got Martellus [Bennett] last year and have Matt Forte. I do want to be in a good position, but at the same time I definitely am not trying to be in the $15 million range. I get a year to deal with that, and right now I’m focusing on how to be a better teammate. How can I grow as a receiver, as a man, as a leader on this team and also in the community. How can our foundation do bigger things? That stuff is going to take care of itself. We have all year to figure that out and I believe we’ll get it done before the end of the season and I’m going to be happy when we do. “

    I continue to think Emery will lock him down before training camp. It’s the smart move. It’s also the reason I just can’t understand why they didn’t chose to save for this year the 4 mil after Peppers was cut. To then…restructure Cutler’s deal for jared Allen. It makes no sense…from a football management point of view.

  • Aaron T. Starks

    If Donald is there at 14, take him. If he’s not, take one of the two stud safeties.

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