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Adam Jahns of the Chicago Sun-Times [AUDIO]

| December 9th, 2014

Adam Jahns joins me for another free-wheeling conversations on all things Chicago Bears. Some important and/or telling information includes:

  • Jahns describes the locker room this week as “cheery” after last week’s dourness, almost as if the team is resigned to their existence of being terrible. (Can’t imagine fans want to hear this.)
  • Marc Trestman is described as a coach carrying himself like he knows he’ll be returning in 2015. Jahns says he would be “shocked” otherwise.
  • Jahns is bullish on Jon Bostic and has been all season long. If Bears want one player to keep their eyes on these next three weeks, Jahns believes it is Bostic.
  • Don’t expect to hear anything from Emery or McCaskey until season’s end.

Love these conversations. Expect them all year round.

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  • GPLDAN

    Jahns describes the locker room this week as “cheery” after last week’s dourness

    Oh the locker room outside is frightful
    But Jahns is so delightful
    And since we’ve no team to blow
    Let It Go! Let It Go! Let It Go!

    It doesn’t show signs of stopping
    And Marshall brought some ribs for popping
    The hopes are turned way down low
    Let It Go! Let It Go! Let It Go!

  • BillW

    Sounds like they moved through all the stages of grief rather quickly.

    • MichiganBearFan

  • BillW

    Faster than I am, at least. I think I’m still in anger and bargaining. In that I hold out hope they will see that Trestman is not the answer. That firing Tucker solves nothing in the whole scheme. Please – can’t SOMEONE see what all the fans see?

  • BillW

    One last one – “don’t expect to hear from Emery or McCaskey…”

    So Teddy is no longer part of the football side of things??? PLEASE???

  • Peanut FTW

    Is it even a possibility, to ‘demote’ Trestman? I mean you have to pay him the HC money but could you hire a defensive HC , build the D and make Trestman work out his contract as the OC?

    • BillW

      I can’t imagine that has ever been done. The national humiliation would be extreme.

      Plus – who believes anymore he’s any good at being an OC? Maybe play design, but certainly not play calling.

      • Peanut FTW

        Yah, I was just trying to find some happy medium of not making extreme offensive changes in many of the Os possible final season together and getting some kind of value out of his contract but still getting a new HC.

        • BillW

          You’re in the bargaining stage of grief too, I see.

          • Peanut FTW

            Very much so.

    • BearDown100393

      Does it get any lower than being McCarthy’s bitch?

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    C’mon Georgie, Fire the whole lot of em. Trade 24 players for a couple first rounders. clean house, and start over. I want 53 new players on the bears roster next year. I want new trainers, new towel boys, new parking lot attendants, and new concession sellers. I want a fucking mulligan.

    • Trac

      See Doc, the floods not so unbelievable when you really think about it. Hahaha

  • I will be furious if the Bears lose the next 2 games by double digits like I expect and Trestman is back next year.
    That would be 8 double digit losses in a season. That is NOT ok.

    • BillW

      Grief stage: anger for JWood

  • BearDown100393

    “Yeah, they should take us both off ‘Monday Night Football’ right now,”
    Marshall said Monday during “The Brandon Marshall Show” on ESPN 1000.

    I agree with Brandon. Now that he is on IR, he does not want to watch his teammates get killed by New Orleans in another prime time fiasco. But why stop there? Don’t even bother broadcasting the game. Wouldn’t that be better, Brandon?

  • CanadaBear

    I really enjoy these podcasts. Jahns is the best of the bunch at the S-T’s by a lot. Finley is trying to be like Tellender and Morrisey (snarky with no real content). I like Biggs, Campbell and Wiederer at the Trib. The rest at the Trib suck moose wang.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Jahns is fantastic.

  • Trac

    Uh Jeff. They do do that in Green Bay. Hence they’re always looking in their rear view mirror at us with their QB’s. You missed the point, most “football” people have known for a couple years now that Cutler isn’t a franchise QB.

    • BillW

      They do do what?

      (“Hah! He said do do!”)

    • DaBearsBlog

      They don’t do that ANYWHERE they have a quarterback. If Bears didn’t think they had one, they wouldn’t have paid him anything. Otherwise it’s a waste of draft resources. Bears think they have their guy. If they think that drafting a QB early to push him is stupid.

      The Rodgers draft pick was made at the end of the Favre tenure. And it was made based purely on value. They didn’t think Rodgers would be Rodgers. Nobody did.

      • Trac

        Favre looked in the rear view mirror for four years and was pushed out and he almost took the Vikings all the way. To me, that’s the ideal QB situation to be in.

        • DaBearsBlog

          Absolutely. I think the issue the Bears have is they don’t know what they have at QB. He’s productive and destructive. But I just see too many issues with the offense in general. Jay is not the type of guy to put offense on back. Needs things around him working.

          • Trac

            In truth I agree with you but they are locked in so we really do néed to find a QB to train up behind Cutler.

          • GPLDAN

            Come on Jeff.

            The Bears don’t know what they have? Seriously?

            the guy can’t hit a crossing route. He sails passes. He reverts to terrible mechanics when his line doesn’t set him up right and he gets pressure. He CHECKS OUT OF RUNS because he’d rather Gunsling and fights with every OC he’s ever had. Including this one, and this HC, who have publicly stated their frustration with his checks.

          • Other than that, we’re good though!

    • DaBearsBlog

      You don’t have to believe Bears have their guy. Bears believe they do.

      • Trac

        Great interview Jeff. It sounded very natural and warm. It’s easy to tell you guys gel.

  • wreckinball

    Expect another shit bomb on Monday but who knows Saints got hammered by Carolina

    Nothing is going to change. Tucker will get sacrificed and away we go into next year

    • BillW

      CSN&Y:
      They say the darkest hour, is just before the dawn…and it appears to be a long time before the dawn.

      Let’s all be kind to each other on the blog. It’s going to be a rough offseason and 2015.

      • wreckinball

        Agree I think the best we can hope for is to ride out the year hire a good DC and make some good draft picks

  • bearfan4ver

    Chicago Needs a change up stairs with the CEO down too the scouts. Hope for a new GM and Coach next season. There is no respect in the locker or on game day for themselves. We’ll never be great again with a leader and real owner.

    • bearfan4ver

      *With out a real leader or Owner

  • Bears-4-Ever

    So after listening, basically we’ll have the same “shit” through 2015 that we have this season. Nothing at all to really look forward to next season except it’s end? Great…very uplifting. Sure, We’ll be looking at the LB situation and young talent on Defense…but the big picture is the same crap we’re dealing with right now. Oh JOY!

    • Trac

      But most of us knew this. The “rebuilding” word will be invoked at seasons end. Watch!!!

  • You guys need to download this song!
    Now, excuse me while I go weep into my tradewind…

  • Scott W.

    I think what struck me about the interview was the comment on the need for a playmaker. I expected Trestman & Co. to be around next year, despite my hopes otherwise.
    I agree, the Harbaugh move would be a stunning reversal of fortune. He’s a smart, likeable Ditka. Which is why the McCaskey’s will avoid him like the plague.
    So back to the playmaker guy we’re goinjg to get in FA or the draft. While we’re all waiting for Bostic to really get in the right place on the field more often, and wishing Peanut was immortal, I’m guessing a D guy. We’re theoretically loaded on offense, so what possible additions could one make there?
    Soooooooo……who you talkin’ bout, Jeff?
    Oh, and what’s in that Tupperware in the background of the pic? I’ve got a pool going on the contents…

    • I think they could use complementary offensive guys who are big play threats. Like what Atlanta has in Hester and Antoine Smith. Guys who will touch the ball on offense maybe 2-3 times a game, play 10-15 snaps a game, but can make big plays when you get the ball in their hands. These are guys who are not going to be key cogs in your offense, so you can usually get them without paying top $$ (in terms of FA contract or high draft pick).
      On defense, they just need so much in the back 7. And I wouldn’t say no to a top edge rusher if one was there when they draft.

      • Wasn’t Wilson supposed to be that guy though?
        WR 4 typically need to play specials. Same with CBs 3-4.
        Where else can we get “more explosive”? RB? They don’t even let Carey sniff the field, and RB3 usually is for specials.
        TE? Perhaps, but they seem pretty content with Bennett, and “explosive” TEs aren’t usually in on double TE sets. That’s blocking TEs.

        I’m not sure how we can get more explosive on O.
        Maybe we can get a true burner/returner at WR4/RB3, someone along the lines Tayvon Austin Danthony Thomas later in the draft, but we really need to allocate resources to totally rebuilding the D.

        • Wilson is supposed to be a solid WR3, like what Harry Douglas is for Atlanta (Hester’s their WR4). I would love to get a speedy playmaker to be RB3 or WR4 who can also be their return man while having a limited but effective offensive role like I described above.
          I know Jeff loves Duke Johnson. He’ll likely go a bit higher than I’d like to spend a pick on a guy like that, but he would be great. And that would be “RB3,” but would likely really be the backup. It’s just that he’d be the backup regardless of whether the starter is healthy or not, so Carey would be a ST guy who plays as the lead back if Forte goes down.

        • Wilson trained with BMarsh this off-season. And he was on the boat with everyone in that happy picture from pre-preseason. He’s the answer.

    • BerwynBomber

      Unless you are drafting a QB, it would be frivolous to go Offense in the draft. Bears potentially need 4-6 starting LBs and safeties. At best the O needs an RT but the OL is set at the other four positions so RT is hardly a screaming necessity.

      • I also think the Bears are going to figure out if Mills, Ola, Groy or Leno can actually play in these last few games. Hopefully, we find our RT/C there, while Slauson and DLP will most likely compete next year for a spot too.

        • BerwynBomber

          I would assume both Slauson (LG) and DLP (C) are penciled in as starters next year, correct? Isn’t Garza’s deal up?

          • DLP was on a one year contract, if I remember correctly. So him and Garza are free after this season.
            Slauson signed a 3 year contract, if I remember correctly, so he’ll definitely be the LG at the start.
            I read that the Bears are actually trimming Groy to become C. He’s listed as Garza’s backup, but they’re getting him reps.
            I think the Bears aren’t as high on Ola and Britton any more.
            If I were a betting man, I would say that DLP, Britton, and possibly Ola might have a very hard time making the roster next season.
            Maybe they’ll keep DLP for depth at C, but if we draft one in the first 5 rounds, I think that will be that for him.

          • BerwynBomber

            I thought DLP played well while filling in for Garza but maybe Long and whoever was playing LG at the time covered up for him.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            Ola needs work but I think they liked that he could play 3 positions.

        • I wonder what they do if Groy looks good at LG. They could slide him or Slauson to C next year. Slauson was their backup C at times last year, and Groy is the backup C now.

          I’d like to see a competition in camp next year at RT between Mills, Ola, and Leno.

          • Groy said that Slauson has been mentoring him, so I would guess that Groy sticks at LG, and they move Slauson (a less mauling but more heady vet) over to C.

            Most teams prefer vets at C at the cost of athleticism (Garza). But if Groy shows that he’s smart, who knows?

            I’m more worried about RT.

            Was Mills truly hurt, or is he just too slow-footed?
            I don’t think Leno/Britton/Ola are dominating, and in order to get our O back on track, we need a more dominating Oline (not just functional).

            I wouldn’t mind a Fluker type at RT in the draft, and just ram it down opponents throat with Long and mauling RT. (Along with hopefully a true blocking TE and not some bullshit undersized H-back).

          • Mills had one of his better games of the year last week. Maybe he’s finally getting healthy. Or maybe Dallas just has really shitty DEs (they do). That’s why I want to see him have to earn the job in camp.

          • Cormonster

            I wish the Bears could draft OL like the Packers. At the start of the year when McCarthey said this was his best OL since he became coach, I balked. Early on I seemed to be right. The starting center and RT got hurt. But once Bulaga came back and the rookie center started to gel with the line, they have become a very good unit in both run and pass blocking. Since the line stabilized the Packers offense has been on a terror.

            The Bears drafted two of their starting OL, the Packers drafted all of theirs. The guards Sitton and TJ Lang have both been very good players for a few years, both 4th round draft choices. Lang had a tough year or two, but he’s really improved. Last year when 1st rounder Bulaga went out for the year, they plugged in rookie 4th rounder Bahktiari at left tackle. He had some growing pains, but is playing good. Because he played so well, they moved Bulaga to RT this year. Bulaga is very good, but had the injury bug most of his career. In the off-season, the Packers let their center Dietrich-Smith walk and planned to start 4th rounder JC Tretter. He got hurt in training camp, so they plugged in rookie 5th rounder Corey Linsley. Turns out he’s been a steal this year. He’s playing great for a rookie, and Tretter has lost his starting job.

            Too bad the Bears can’t draft like this and develop players. Bulaga is the only starter drafted in the first 3 rounds.

          • TheBigCheesy

            The packers draft all of their everything. It’s not just OLine

          • TheBigCheesy

            To be fair the packers did draft Derrick Sherrod in the 1st round, right after the bears picked Carimi. Sherrod was cut and gave absolutely zero production (although it had a lot to do with a gruesome leg injury his rookie year

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            I’d rather have a true bad ass fullback and a TE that can be a weapon in the pass game. Watching Clutts maul our LB’s was sad because we got rid of him for nothing, well maybe we got Sherrick McMannis out of it, but you gotta love that guy’s story.
            Could catch, block, long snap, play specials, for cheap.

          • johnnywad

            And his name is Clutts. Its perfect

          • I loved me Clutts. When we drafted that fuck tard (Rodriguez, Hernadez? Fuck tard) I got pissed cuz I knew that was the end of Clutts.
            I would go sorta the traditional route at TE.
            Bennett, Big Blocking TE and project high-upside TE who played Bball and play specials.
            But for some fucking reason, the Bears are enamored with H-backs.
            Even THE WCO mascot, the 9ers, had Tom Rathman.

            We need one of those.

            http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/b5/62/24/b562248843dcc0ebd54fcece7fd1f4b9.jpg

    • NewBearInTown

      This team is only getting production for 4 offensive skill players: Forte, Jeffery, Marshall, Bennett. If we add Wilson, that’s only 5. We could definitely use more weapons.

      Pretty much any other offensive players that can, as JWood mentioned, get 2-3 catches on 15 snaps a game would be good additions. Some specific examples we could look for are:

      – A speed receiver

      – A second TE to run two TE sets

      – A “one cut” downhill running back

      Its not about a centerpiece, its about more options on offense to get more variety in the playcalling. Wilson stepping up as a productive 3rd receiver does not change this comment at all – the best offenses have 7+ players making catches over the course of a game.

      Also, if a 10 year starting right tackle is available in the first round, I have a really hard time not taking him. You’ll turn a weakness into a strength on the line, build for the future in case this current group falls apart, and create insurance if Bushrod declines.

  • From the audio.
    Drafting a QB in the first 2 rounds to “pressure” Cutler is stupid, IMO. I agree with Jeff. True SB caliber QBs are self-motivated, like SEALS.
    You draft a QB high to replace Cutler in two years. End of story.
    But since Trestman is returning, I don’t think that might be the most prudent of courses.
    You don’t want to draft a QB in the first two rounds, then fire the HC, then the next HC is stuck with a QB that he never wanted. That might be a turn-off and waste of a pick.

    • CanadaBear

      That’s where I’m at. Fire Nessman, Emery, the coaching staff and put Teddy into biz model only. Bring in new Prez, GM, hire new HC and staff, bring in new QB to study under Cutler for one year. I’d prefer that happens this year but will probably be next year.

      • I would say fire everyone, except Emery. I know he fucked up on HC, QB (?) and Shea, but he’s provided a lot of talent. I think Emery will improve and seems shrewd.
        However, Phillps, out of football operations. HC, DC, Special Teams, flushed.
        Briggs gone. Peanut (sadly). Shea. Conte. and everyone else who quit – flushed.
        We’re stuck with Cutler, but if the new HC wants HIS guy, draft/trade for him.

        But it’s all pie-in-the-sky musings. We all know the deal as Bears fans.

        Tucker and DeCamel will get the axe, and we’ll get the DC/SP teams equivalent of Martz stepping into a sinking ship because no other ship would allow them on board.

        • or we get a kick-ass DC who sees opportunity—come in and fix this sinking ship, right a defense that got worse when it wasn’t possible to get any worse, and he can be handed the keys to the castle. either here in chicago in place of nessie, or out at some other franchise that needs a man’s man.

          • Kick-ass DCs will have plenty of opportunity. Why would they voluntarily choose to team up with a dead-man walking HC? No real OC did it when we got Martz.

            Only way I see that happening is if Emery tells someone like Rex, “Hey, Rex. You fix that D, you inspire that unit, and Trestman and gang still fuck up on O, you’ll be the HC in 2016.” which would be a hell of a gamble by a DC.

            Most likely scenario, we get a Mike Singletary type who got unceremoniously dumped and just are scrapping for any chance to get back in the game.

          • BerwynBomber

            And who knows if Emery himself will be around long enough to fulfill such a wink-wink promise.

          • CanadaBear

            More likely either Paquoloni or Herring move up.

          • That would make perfect sense, which is why they won’t do it.
            If that’s the case, they should have done it a few games back to see if either can actually right the ship, and if not, look for someone else next off-season.

  • Jebus. Cheery locker-room. Sounds like a bunch of guys who couldn’t handle the pressure of high-expectations this year, crumpled, and now are relieved that no one expects shit out of Fredo.

    Or, maybe since Bmarsh is out of the picture? hmmmm

    • DaBearsBlog

      “Sounds like a bunch of guys who couldn’t handle the pressure of
      high-expectations this year, crumpled, and now are relieved that no one
      expects shit out of Fredo.”

      That’s a great sentence. And I have a feeling you may be right.

    • GPLDAN

      +1971 blog points for dropping the waterlogged Corleone in there.

  • “The McCaskey Way” ugh. Given that it’s only reaped ONE SB, maybe there shouldn’t be a “McCaskey Way.”
    I still hold out a slim sliver of hope. Firing Lovie after a 10 win season and paying him $5M to gaze at clouds was pretty surprising for most of us.
    Let’s hope MBs bday blesses us once more.

  • A bunch of people, some on here, have been asking about where Bears can end up drafting, so I broke it down.

    Long story short: lose out, and they’ll pick 7th or 8th. Win 1 game, and likely 9-11. They’re not winning more than that.

    http://dabearsbeat.com/2014/12/09/what-pick-will-the-bears-have-in-the-draft/

    • 7-8 would be MUCH more preferable. 2 QBs will be drafted early. Possibly a WR (Amari).

      That would nearly guarantee the Bears a Top 5 player at a position of need.
      Also can trade down and garner more picks.
      If we have the 7th pick, we could trade down to the teens and draft a S (where the top ones traditionally go) plus get an extra 2nd/3rd.

      • then root hard for Giants, Panthers, and Falcons

        • I think they’ll all end up with better records than the Bears.
          Panthers and Falcons because they’re still competing for the playoffs (lol)
          Gmen cuz they’re offense is actually gelling, esp with ODB.

          • Cam Newton could be out for the season. That would put a damper on Chicago’s chances of beating CAR out.
            And GMen have a tough schedule left. Tough to see better than 5-11 for them (still play at STL and PHI).

          • BerwynBomber

            Reports are Newton has the same injury that Romo had. Romo didn’t miss a game.

          • I read that he was in “fair condition”. However, his truck flipped over 4 times.
            Yikes.

          • CanadaBear

            If he had a seat belt on he might just be sore as hell. When I was around 20 we rolled a Toyota Land Cruiser and it spit me out the back (it had 2 jump seats in back that faced each other). Didn’t get hurt but felt like a broken eggshell for a few days.

          • we’ll see what happens.

          • Romo did miss a game.
            But the Panthers have to determine whether they’re still a playoff/SB team in order to risk their franchise.

            Newton has looked beaten up even before this accident, and putting him out there with a sub-par Oline is like throwing chum in the water.

          • BerwynBomber

            If he was the starter for the ‘girls, Jerra would shame Newton into starting. At least that is what he does with Romo.

          • BearDown100393

            Romo was deactivated for the Arizona game.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, SPC already corrected me. I was mistaken.

          • BearDown100393

            Sorry, didn’t mean to pile on.

          • BerwynBomber

            No worries. Didn’t take it that way.

          • DaBearsBlog

            Gmen are gelling? They just blew a 20+ point lead to the Jags two weeks ago.

          • On offense, I think they’re still playing like a team that’s trying. I think they want to get ODB and Andre Williams a head start for next year.
            Plus, they’ll give Eli a full load since they too want him to get used to the system.
            In other words, I don’t think they’ll pack it in, and them vs any NFC east team regardless of record is always a toss up.

          • BerwynBomber

            Blowing a twenty point lead is not always indicative of whether your offense is gelling. Usually says more about your D.

    • Peanut FTW

      Now that it means nothing, I wouldn’t count the Bears out. Look at NO, they are just as volatile as the Bears, the Lions usually struggle in Soldier Field and late in the season and Minnesota has Teddy Bridgewater at QB.

      • BerwynBomber

        Agreed. As bad as the Bears are, all three remaining games are winnable even by this team’s standards. Mind, they’re more losable than winnable, but none of these remaining three teams are all that except Detroit and Stafford may flash his old form on the road.

        P.S. Bridgewater has actually been improving of late, though granted, he did not look like an NFL QB when Minny visited about a month ago.

        • Peanut FTW

          Bridgewater is fairly tough to watch, his stat line looks better recently but that is more due to them dialing back the playbook. His yardage comes from bubble screens that break tackles, he is nervous in the pocket and really looks very similar to Geno Smith under center when you watch him. I mean Mike Glennon has better numbers and hes on the bench… in Tampa

          • BerwynBomber

            I’d bet money he ends up better than Geno (yep, high bar there) but otherwise don’t disagree with you.

          • Peanut FTW

            Oh, I think so, he looks like he has a higher ceiling than Geno. I would bet he ends up similar to a Fitzpatrick type of guy, game manager. I don’t think he ever lives up to the draft status though.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’d put his absolute ceiling more in the Alex Smith-than-Ryan Fitzpatrick range, but largely splitting hairs while otherwise agreeing.

            Btw, beyond Bridgewater’s potential late-season development, the other interesting side story to that Weeks 17 tilt (from the Minny perspective) is whether Zimmer learned from getting burned with his initial coverage scheme or he is stubborn and sticks to it.

          • I expect MIN to come out in zone, like everybody else who has destroyed CHI’s O with zone looks this year.
            Zone + anything resembling a good pass rush = no dice for Chicago’s offense.

      • BillW

        Agreed – teams in the Bears situation often play better. I expect at least one win and likely two. And then Trestman will claim he’s got it all figured out.

      • I give the Bears basically no chance in these next 2 games. They just can’t compete with teams with competent QBs.
        I think the MIN game is a tossup in week 17, so Bears finish with 5 or 6 wins. We’ll see.

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      there are too many holes after watching this team. I predict 2016 is the year that consistency starts to rear it’s head. I thought it was going to be this year, I realize it now can’t be next year either and it will take at least 2 more full drafts and FA treasure hunts to stock our barren pond with man-koi

      • EnderWiggin

        Dang. So consistency won’t start until Cutty, Marsh, Forte and Bushrod get oldish? We need to be consistent starting the last day of this season – when Tucker finds the door.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          that doesn’t mean we can’t win a lot of games. The offense is in a much better position to be effective and consistent. The D needs so many pieces that it’s startling.

      • on the plus side, Bears have 11 rookies who have played meaningful snaps on O or D this year (Fuller, Sutton, Ferguson, Vereen, Carey, Groy, Leno, Dunn, Jones, Ola, Louis-Jean), and a few more who have played a bunch on ST.

        They haven’t all played well, but getting so many guys into the game early gives you a chance to evaluate them on tape this offseason and gets them experience in a lost year. If nothing else, helps for more proven depth going forward.

        • CanadaBear

          My issue is that other than Fuller, none of them have done much. Speaking of Dunn, he had more snaps than Ferguson last week. Groy looked like a spit fire so he might turn into a decent interior lineman.

          • I would guess that 2-4 of these guys end up becoming starters. But some of the rest can be solid depth, hopefully.

          • CanadaBear

            You like them more than I do. Hopefully you’re correct.

          • I’m confident Fuller will. I think the 2 DTs, Jones, Louis-Jean, Carey, and Vereen all have a chance, though none are guarantees. So I’m guessing one to three out of that group of 6 will.

          • CanadaBear

            Agree on Fuller.

          • the other 6 all have the physical ability, so I don’t think it’s outlandish to assume at least one of them becomes a solid starter. Then there’s guys like Leno, Ola, and Groy. Maybe one of them becomes a starting G at some point? Or a RT? Who knows. I’d say the odds of at least 1 of those 9 becoming a solid starter are pretty good. Hopefully more than that.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Johnny waffle not predicting playoffs in 2015? I’ll believe that when he says so next September. Me thinks the draft and the offseason will reignite the spirit of DBB’s #1 superfan

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          Anything can happen during any season. I’m talking about consistent 10-6 or better every year.

  • Viva

    Da Hawkcse

    • AlbertInTucson

      The McCaskeys should have a long talk with Rocky Wirtz.

  • Holy fuck

    ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports Texans OLB Jadeveon Clowney (injured reserve, knee) underwent microfracture surgery on his right knee Monday and will be sidelined nine months.
    It’s one of the worst surgeries an NFL player can undergo. What Clowney does have going for him, though, is his youth. He’ll turn 22 in February. But setbacks are common following microfracture surgery, and it’s been known to derail careers. Eagles OLB Brandon Graham underwent microfracture surgery as a 22-year-old in December 2010 and didn’t play again until Week 1 of 2012. It’s a real possibility Clowney misses the majority, or all, of the 2015 season. He’ll be a candidate for reserve/PUP in August. – Rotoworld

    • AlbertInTucson

      Ew.

      • Comment of the day from PFT.

        “He went full Greg Oden, man. Never go full Greg Oden.”

        • GPLDAN

          How do you not take X-Rays of a guy pre-draft?

    • NewBearInTown

      Wow. You just never know.
      I cannot blame him one bit for being more careful his last season in college.

      • As a football fan, this sucks. Would love to have seen what Clowney and Watt could’ve done in that division.
        Maybe they can be open to trade Clowney now? Cutty for Clowney? We’ll likely suck next season anyhow if Cutty is gone. Build that D. Get a QB to come into a locked and loaded D and O in 2016.

        • Trac

          damaged goods for damaged goods?

    • Trac

      Yup, I for one would not have drafted him due to his not going all oiut in college. I didn’t buy his schtick.

  • Drafting a safety high in the draft means very little apparently.

    The Saints have benched second-year SS Kenny Vaccaro.
    It’s the latest shoe to drop in New Orleans. The Saints promised changes after Carolina blew New Orleans’ doors off in Week 13 at the Superdome. But Vaccaro has certainly earned the benching. He’s Pro Football Focus’ 84th-ranked safety out of 86 qualifiers. Vaccaro has taken nine penalties and missed 18 tackles. Last year’s 15th overall pick, Vaccaro figures to be replaced by Marcus Ball. – Rotoworld

    • SC Dave

      And how many wanted him to replace Conte here?

      • AlbertInTucson

        Last quality safeties drafted by the Bears… Mike Brown and Tony Parrish…?

        • CanadaBear

          Before that, Mark Carrier.

          • AlbertInTucson

            We went to Sun Devil Stadium in Carrier’s rookie season, 1990, and watched the Bears beat the Cardinals 31-21.
            Carrier had one of his 10 interceptions. The Bears ran for over 200 yards including 99 from Brad Muster and 2 TD from Neal Anderson.
            Ron Morris caught a 67 yard TD pass from none other than…Jim Harbaugh, who threw only 14 passes that day.
            THAT was a FUN day , boys and girls.

          • CanadaBear

            Awesome! Carrier never recaptured that rookie magic but he was a baller.

      • CanadaBear

        Really Dave? You get on Johnny about Cutler all the time but your constant beating the drum for Conte is not much different. Conte on his best day is an avg FS. On his worst day, YIKES! Not to mention, he’s made of glass.

    • weird thing is he played well as a rookie.

      • Yes, Rob didn’t treat him like a rook either. Rob Ryan threw him into the fire with all his exotic blitzes, coverages, slot, man, zones, etc.
        Odd.

    • NewBearInTown

      Show me any position on the field and I will show you a top pick in the last five years that has totally busted and a low pick that has made the pro-bowl. High picks mean a higher percentage chance of success. Low picks mean a higher percentage change of failure. Neither is a sure thing.

      • Oh, I know, but Vacarro was unanimously lauded. I mean, Barron, Pryror and Ha-ha had their critics (first two can’t cover, Ha-ha can’t tackle), but Vacarro was the closest to Berry/Thomas by most reports. (And Vaccaro was a much better prospect than any S coming out next draft). Just crazy.
        I wonder if Rob Ryan is just asking him to do too much….Rob Ryan is not a good DC.

        Edit. I def would have drafted him

    • Doc Hamstring

      Maybe NO will trade him for a 4th-rounder. Vaccaro is better than anyone the Bears have.

  • Peanut comeback?

    Bears CB Peanut Tillman (torn triceps, injured reserve) hopes to continue his playing career in 2015.

    Tillman has been sidelined since Week 3. “Right now, all I want to do is get healthy before I make a decision to retire or to continue to play,” Tillman said in a radio interview. “I have every intent of coming back and playing. Really, I just want to focus on getting healthy.” Two months shy of his 34th birthday, Tillman will head into the offseason having appeared in just 10 games over the past two seasons thanks to his triceps issues. There’s a good chance he’ll be forced to hang it up. – Rotoworld

    • no thanks. I love Peanut, but it’s time for him to retire.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        with the issues with the D i will take any semi able bodies to help out

      • AlbertInTucson

        No thoughts about him coming back abdmoving to safety? Some good corners extended their careers a couple of seasons doing that.. Everson Walls and Herb Adderley come to mind but, maybe the game’s evolved too much for that anymore.

        • wreckinball

          Rod Woodson

        • BerwynBomber

          Less that than the ability to stay healthy.

        • NewBearInTown

          He hasn’t lost a step keeping up with WRs. He’s just got durability issues at this stage. The former can be fixed by moving to safety. The latter would be made worse by moving to safety.

        • CanadaBear

          Peanut has said he doesn’t want to play safety. If that’s his only option he might change his mind. I just can’t see it. He’s had shoulder issues over the years and playing safety would make it worse.

    • BearDown100393

      He has not said he is done yet. Would be nice to see him retire as a Bear but it might not end up that way.

    • madscout12

      It all depends on the money. If he takes an incentive laden deal, doesn’t expect to be paid like a top flight starting CB and will look at playing wherever whoever the defensive coordinator wants him to play.

      If he’s gonna pull an Urlacher, and come in with an unrealistic number in his head, then no thank you.

      Also, if Emery is still the GM, look at signing Tillman as a 3rd option. If he pans out, he’s your best or second best CB. But we can’t rely on him playing 16 anymore.

      • I agree. However, when Fuller came in (before all his inj), there was a noticeable difference in speed.
        If Peanut signs for vet min, or just a lil above, I wouldn’t mind. Just depends on our off-season plans. It also shouldn’t change our draft strategy at all. If another studly CB falls to us in the draft, then go for it.

        If not, I think Peanut goes to Tampa.

        • CanadaBear

          Peanut got $3.5 mil this year. He has to know his contract next year will be around $1-2 mil/yr tops. I’d sign him to that in a heartbeat. BB points out he’s taking up a roster spot but I don’t see it that way. After Jennings and Fuller we have Hurst, Louis-Jean and nobody. I could live with the disappointment of not having one of those guys on the roster. Not to mention, almost every young guy on the roster looks up to Peanut and we desperately need a few guys like that on the roster.

      • BerwynBomber

        He’s a roster spot and starting CB is fine for next year in Jennings and Fuller. A 34 year old veteran who will have missed 22 games in the last two years is not someone you want to taking up a development/ST spot.

        Btw, you guys rationalized this signing the same way last year. I would be surprised if PE does and for that I can’t blame him.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Isn’t it about time Mr. Bostic stopped overpursuing so much…?

  • AlbertInTucson

    The only truly great GM the Bears have ever had, at least that I can think of, is Jim Finks, who authored the drafts that built the ’85 team. And remember, Finks decided to move on when Papa Bear hired Ditka to be head coach.

    • wreckinball

      Awesome GM can we find another

    • BlameAngelo

      ’81, ’82, ’83 tell it all – and that’s with Manimal, Harris, Sweetness, Wilson and Suhey already on board. He built the purple-people-eaters DL that spawned 11 divisional titles in 14 years for the vikes.

      But the mother-lode draft in ’83 was Ditka/Halas : Jimbo Covert, Willie Gault, Mike Richardson, Dave Duerson(RIP), Tom Thayer (see that, Barb?), Richard Dent HOF, Mark Bortz.

      We won’t get anywhere near that level in another 30 years, if ever.

      http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/draft.htm

      • Doc Hamstring

        Draft was what, 11 rounds back then? And there were how many fewer teams?

        It amazes me how many late-round picks–in a day and age where scouting was that much harder, without cell phones and email and the industry that has become the NFL–became so successful.

        But yeah, Finks is the single person most responsible for the 1985 team.

        • GPLDAN

          Dent was an 8th rounder.

        • Peanut FTW

          I don’t know about the scouting thing once they were at the pro level. There would have been a major trade off in that most great athletes played for a handful of universities or were so great that it was in national newspapers. So.. a lot less places to scout vs much easier methods of scouting them.

  • GPLDAN

    Michigan offers Duke’s head coach, who is 40-47, the job and he turns them down.

    Fuck Ann Arbor. University is run by idiots.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, that’s pathetic. Stating the obvious: but does not bode well for the Wolvies.

      • GPLDAN

        It’s a whole new level of pathetic when your Big Ten team will probably be worse than Penn State, who had the NCAA essentially try and nuke them and contemplated ending the entire football program for a few years as punishment for JoePa’s willful ignorance.

        Nope. In the next half a decade, UM will probably get waxed by the Lions 5 times – who field nothing more than high school wannbes and walk-ons. Michigan won’t see the Brown Jug for a decade, it will just live in Minneapolis.

    • Peanut FTW

      Looking like what, Shiano or Miles?

      • BerwynBomber

        Schiano might not be a bad hire. My bet is — with his pro experience — he may even be a better coach than Miles. Issue with Schiano is all the other stuff and whether he can recruit.

  • GPLDAN

    What are the rules surrounding pre-draft physicals in the NFL?

    Can a team give a draft prospect full body X-rays? A cat scan? Pump two gallons of hummus with raisins into them rectally and make them run a lap? (Sorry, I just got finished reading the Gitmo report).

    It would seem as if a competent ortho on a payroll would have seen Clowney’s knees pre-draft on film and saw the structural issue, is that realistic? Or was the injury wholly sustained in camp?

    • BearDown100393

      The defect is within the cartilage. Radiography is most likely next to useless for assessment. Perhaps MRI/CT analysis is more indicative however if no medical necessity is pre-established, these tests would not be conducted unless there perhaps a pre-exist for that region is documented. In a sport as physical as football, pain/stiffness symptoms in the joints are rather frequent. Only so much can be ascertained and in the end, it is really just a guess to how the body will stand up against the punishment of football.

    • Just send them through the TSA. They’re very thorough.
      They’ll even stick a finger up your ass if you tip them right.

  • BillW

    Phil Rosenthal of the Tribune writes a meandering unprofessional article on Cutler, Buyer’s Remorse, leadership, etc.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-rosenthal-buyers-remorse-1210-biz-20141209-column.html

    If you waste your time reading it, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    When he gets to essentially comparing Cutler to NEw Coke, I gave up and just skimmed the rest.

    It came across not as a business journalist (which he purports to be, despite starting out doing TV show reviews) but as a disappointed Bear fan who happens to write a business column.

    There are almost no valid points in his article as they relate to business – and his primary assumption (that Emery literally used the words “buyer’s remorse”) are questionable.

    Opinions are like assholes – everyone has one.

    • New Coke? Odd. I just compared the running QB fad to Crystal Pepsi.
      Coincidence? I think not…

      • GPLDAN

        Rosenthal is plagiarizing Butch.

        It happens Butch. We can’t all be geniuses.

        • Maybe I shouldn’t post up my idea here about a table book about table books (that also folds out into a table)…

          • GPLDAN

            (pulls out my patent application form)

            So…um… how does this table work exactly?

          • I got the blue prints right here.

          • BillW

            Will this be ready for Christmas? I want to place an order.

    • BearDown100393

      Jay Cutler is definitely not New Coke. That is a purposefully misleading analogy making sense to only Phil Rosenthal. And gee whiz, New Coke was nearly 30 years ago.

      Being a so-called business reporter, Rosenthal should have had the wherewithal to compare Cutler to EuroDisney. Glitzy and expensive on the outside for sure, with a soulless inner core of which never delivers upon its promise.

      • BillW

        See, here’s the thing. The “buyer’s remorse” is not a product; it’s an employee.

        Rosenthal is essentially saying the Bears should be strong leaders and admit they made a mistake in signing Cutler. Who does that in business until they replace the “mistake”?

        Plus companies don’t have a salary cap.

        If a company makes a hiring mistake at a high level, they wait until they have a viable alternative before firing the “mistake”.

        And for sure they don’t publicly acknowledge their mistake while still employing said mistake – and still expect him/her to perform at a high level for the company!

        What a ridiculous article!

        • BearDown100393

          Correct. Perhaps Rosenthal is ghost writing of a past experience from a newspaper wondering out load “why the hell did we hire this guy for movies, let’s move him over to business….”

  • TheBigCheesy

    Jeff, the bears might miss Jay Cutler’s “production”, but no one will miss Jay like the Green Bay Packers will.

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      A Bears troll thumbs up the Packer troll’s comment. That’s so sweet. Like IS and Alkaida working together.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        don’t need NSA flagging DBB if spelled correctly.

      • TheBigCheesy

        I feel like a more appropriate analogy would be Snowden and Putin working together…

      • BearDown100393

        Rather thumbs up an accurate statement than have a thumb up #6’s ass. [Expected response – Fuck, fuck, fag, queer, optional homophobic slur, fuck, fuck, asshole, end of sentence] Jay Cutler defenders are so articulate and insightful.

        • TheBigCheesy

          Hot take!

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            sorry Cheesy, that’s not a thing

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          Cheesy offers a bullshit troll dish and you eat it up. That’s some bullshit which is why I had to point it out. It’s a douche comment and you’re acting like a douche by enabling him.

          • BearDown100393

            You troll for thumbs up identification on comments you don’t like from posters you continuously disrespect using childish devices such as profanity and homophobic innuendo. Talking about a meaningless troll existence. That’s some bullshit which is why I had to point it out. You are no big swinging dick here. There is a difference between tolerance and acceptance. Rather admirable how tolerant the fish bowl is here considering the amount of fecal material continuously deposited by one of its members.

  • Old broken romanian Jericho

    Laughable that Rich Campbell tries to put Marshall’s injury on Cutler’s throw because it “was high and caused him to expose his ribs”.

    watch the fucking play you fucking reporter piece of shit:

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000438949/Marshall-leaves-game-in-ambulance-with-rib-injury

    Marshall exposes himself because Barry Church is coming in hard. Fucking hack.

    • GPLDAN

      I believe in the context of the story, Campbell was trying to frame it in terms of what Marshall himself may have thought about the throw – not what was objectively true.

      Marshall had gotten fully down and Church’s knee broke his ribs. That can happen even in a ball that comes screaming in low.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        it was such a freak play. It sucks that Marshall was hurt because Church was basically trying NOT to kill him.

    • CanadaBear

      Didn’t read the article but it had nothing to do with the throw. The one earlier where he juggled it and caught it, that one exposed him but he did a spin-a-rama and the guy missed him. Usually Cutler doesn’t lead the receivers into killer hits. Stafford does that all the time.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I can’t get on Cutty for that … and honestly? Even the very best QBs occasionally put their receivers in harm’s way. It’s unavoidable at times.

        Btw, I felt the conjecture by Campbell was petty damn dumb. Mind, I was fine with the rest of the report, albeit many Cutty lovers, including Blogfather, wanna bury it as quickly as possible. But Campbell sounded naïve when conjecturing on BM’s motive.

    • TheBigCheesy

      It’s laughable that you would pick out a marginal piece of information and attack Campbell on it in an effort to discredit the totality of his piece, the premise of which you absolutely cannot refute because it (the cutler-marshall tension) is so painfully effing obvious that even Jeff has acknowledged it.

      You’re right, Campbell is probably reaching if he is trying make anything out of that particular play, but so what? Does that take away from the mountain of evidence that does hold water?

      You refuse to accept that Cutler is not the quarterback you believed him to be, and the cognitive dissonance is corrupting your mind. Stop getting pissed off at people who are offering legitimate critiques of the quarterback.

      • GPLDAN

        Johnny Waffle’s Cognitive Dissonance: A bedtime story

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        You are spot on with the 2nd paragraph which was my fucking point. Also, i’m forced to listen to these little B&B sycophants whenever I want to hear about sports on the radio. The manufacturing of that kind of bullshit within what is probably a semi accurate piece just to make it more cuntish is what I was referring to so shut it.

  • McCaskey should look to Cubs & impact big, symbolic moves can have in invigorating franchise’s fans. – Jeff
    McCaskeys should do a lot of things, but they don’t and that is why we have the garbage we do now.
    Like I said before, they don’t do “symbolism.”

    • BearDown100393

      I think it was expressed before here but I prefer the suggestion to review the business/sports model demonstrated by Wirtz/McDonough/Bowman. The irony is that even after 2 Stanley Cup Championships, the Blackhawks are still digging out of the financial quagmire left behind by Dollar Bill. It was the Hawks good fortune that the liquor business was able to subsidize. However the business approach since Rocky’s takeover of the franchise has been impeccable.

    • Peanut FTW

      You lookin to add 70+ years until the next Superbowl win?

  • Cormonster

    Hey Butch, I seen Borland won NFC rookie Defensive Player of the Month. He probably should have won NFC Defensive Player of the Month, but that went to Connor Barwin with 6.5 sacks. Borland’s 70 tackles in November is the most by any player in any month in the last 20 years. 10 of those tackles were for a loss. He also had two picks against the Giants, including one in the Red Zone late in the game to stop the Giants from taking the lead. He also recovered a fumble in OT against the Saints deep in their territory. SF kicked a FG on the next play to win the game.

    Borland is 10th in tackles in the league right now with 101. Kuechly leads the league with 132. What’s amazing about Borland’s numbers is that he’s only started 7 games, averaging 13.4 tackles per game. The first 6 games he only had 7 tackles, mainly on ST.

    What a steal for the 49er’s. Who knows, he could still win Defensive ROY with only 10 starts this year.

    • Man, he’s tearing it up. And we were only 5 picks away from him in the 3rd (though we did get Will Sutton).
      He’ll probably end up being DROY if I were to guess. All he does is makes plays.
      The 9ers will have Borland, Bowman, and Willis next year.
      Man, we need to steal their LB scouting chart

  • Cormonster

    Before the season started, when many of us had high hopes (like I almost always do), I brought up Paul Bessire and his Prediction Machine (The Predictilator). I heard him on the Score and Wisconsin Sports radio talk about the Bears before the season. He does 50,000 simulations of each game of the season, and predicted the Bears would have 7.2 wins and take last place in the North.

    One of the main reasons he picked the Bears to suck was because he said they had no talent on defense. The only defensive player he had rated above average (middle of the pack) was Houston (HA!). Turns out he was right. The other reason was lack of depth on offense.

    For those who like to gamble, you might want to check out his site at Prediction Machine. He has a very good record in the second half of seasons against the spread. In one of his interviews before the season he was telling people to double down on betting the under on Bears wins (8.5) because of a very nice payout ($13 on a $10 bet). At the time 95% of the money was on the over. Oh, he also gave the Bears less than a 0.2% chance of winning the Super Bowl.

    One area where he really screwed up was in regards to the Saints. He had them getting the top seed in the NFC this year because they only had 3 playoff teams from last year on their schedule this year. The other top picks he had were the usual Seahawks, Patriots, and Broncos, followed by the Packers.

    • TheBigCheesy

      How did he forecast San Francisco? I can’t imagine he pegged them to be this inept on offense…

      • Cormonster

        Not sure they were brought up in the interviews. Mainly talked about the top teams and the NFC North from what I remember. I’m guessing 2nd tier.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Bears know Cutler is QB next year & they have right to look elsewhere beyond. My warning: they’ll miss his production. It’s not “the norm”.

    Depends on what he is replaced with. If they find a decent game manager for a quarter or half of his salary and use the savings to rebuild the D, they won’t miss Cutler a moment. (Remember, this franchise won with Jim Miller, Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman in the past.)

    Btw, you keep pimping Cutty’s positive stats, a’la Waffle, but the problem is his TOs negate them (and his YPC might not be fantastic either). Cutler, both in QR and QBR, has been an average QB his entire career. Could that change next year? Sure. But more likely he will revert to precedent.

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      to be clear, we didn’t win shit with those other guys. We haven’t won shit since 1985. No team will EVER win the championship with an average QB unless they have an aspect to their team that is so fucking videogame-esque that it transcends the average nature of the other parts of the team.

      • NYG (2x) and BAL did it since the playoffs went to their current format. Neither had the historically dominant defense that TB and BAL did when they did it around the turn of the millenium.

        I’ve become convinced winning in the playoffs is about 2 things:
        1) Luck. Get hot. Have bounces go your way. All 3 of those SB teams were incredibly lucky.
        2) Dominate the trenches. Keep your QB upright and knock the other QB on his ass and you’re gonna win more often than not. That’s definitely how NYG did it both times. BAL definitely kept Flacco upright in those playoffs (he had all fucking day to throw), but didn’t do a consistently great job in pass rush. They had to win a shootout in the Super Bowl.

        • BerwynBomber

          Both QBs (Eli and Flacco) played out of their minds those three years in the post-season. And Eli was particularly heroic — as QB play goes — in his second NFC title game when facing a heckuva SF pass rush. They damn near knocked his head off but he stood in there and delivered. Even some of the best QBs will flinch where he didn’t.

    • TheBigCheesy

      Considering the only thing Cutler is doing this year with any success checking down, it’s true that the Bears are probably better served rolling with a conservative Quarterback (Alex Smith) on the cheap. However, Alex Smith is not actually that cheap for some reason, so…….

      • Cheaper than Cutler.
        If only we could morph Cutler-Smith like in The Fly.

      • BerwynBomber

        Agreed about Alex Smith and how much he cost. But look at somebody like Sanchez. A $2M/1-year contract. That is a tenth of the price of Cutler; actually a 20th or 30th when you start factoring in Jay’s three years.

        There are deals like that out there but you have to get a bit lucky and find a guy who, like Sanchez, is at least plausibly competent.

        Will be interesting to see what they do in the off-season — I doubt much — but I wonder, if for starters, Clausen is brought back.

        • Next season will be RIPE with mid-level QBs.
          Bradford, Locker, Sanchez, Vick, RG3(?), Hoyer, McCown(?), Cousins(?), Fitzpatrick(?).

          Lots of intriguing options.

          Locker, Bradford and Sanchez would be the most intriguing.

          • BerwynBomber

            Weird that someone might end up with RG3 for pennies.

          • The Potato skins might dump Gruden (and eat his 5yr contract) and keep RG3 too!
            Almost forgot about Ryan Mallet.
            And Orton might be set free too if the Bills make a move for a QB in the draft.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’d look at Locker if he was cheap. But I’d want to study a lot of game tape on the guy.

          • He turns it over a lot too. Noticing a common theme among these re-treads.
            They turn it over too much.
            But Locker has been INJ more than anything (which might hurt his chemistry and progression). Same with Bradford.
            Locker will start the next 3 games more than likely, and I’m keeping a close eye on him to see how he responds. He’s a dual threat, which is a plus.

          • BerwynBomber

            Oh yeah. All these guys are flawed. If you’re talking straight up Cutty comparisons, you’d still go with Cutty (though he’s flawed too) but again we are talking salary.

            Btw, setting aside Cutty for a moment, if Trestman has one thing to hang on his hat after nearly two years of average-to-crap results it might be McCown mirage last year. Guess I’ll always wonder: could he have constructed another Rich Gannon with the right journeyman? (Locker, btw, sorta resembles Gannon in terms of skill set.)

            But I’d be the first to admit it could be straw grasping.

          • I think the Bucs are definitely drafting a QB.
            What they do with McCown will be a mystery. They may want him as a mentor, or maybe they dump his contract (Mike Glennon could hit the market too).
            I wouldn’t mind McCown back, that’s for sure, but not at that ridicules cost the Bucs gave him.
            He may have helped both Cutler and Trestman more than we thought.

          • BerwynBomber

            I wasn’t sad to see McCown go, though yeah by all accounts he was a good chemistry guy and even a locker room leader. (Can’t blame a guy for cashing in his one shot at a decent payday.)

            But his small sample of success did make me wonder whether the Trestman system might be a half-decent template for the right journeyman.

            Or to put it another way: Cutler is obviously a superior QB to McCown but under Trestman they were about the same in terms of production.

        • TheBigCheesy

          Sanchez doesn’t take care of the ball, though.

          • That is true. But at least he turns it over for pennies on the dollar.

          • BerwynBomber

            Right, but all guys in his range of salary are basically going to be in that Kyle Orton level of QB — which is to say inferior to Cutler. But the savings could be significant.

            One odd thing about Sanchez is that he played exceptionally well in the post-season. Never understood that. Random.

  • Just remembered. The Pats drafted Garrapolo in the 2nd round, and the Gmen drafted Nassib in the 4rth.
    Just sayin.

    • BerwynBomber

      Pats have been starting to take the Ron Wolf approach to QB drafting. Draft one every other year, even if you have a franchise QB, and then develop them for a future trade/assets. They have done it with both Mallet and Cassel (and someone else whose name I’m forgetting), though maybe they plan on retaining Garropolo as Brady’s eventual replacement.

      • It’s also prudent in case their SB QBs go off the cliff, or get a freak inj (like when Cassel stepped in and won 10 games).

        • BerwynBomber

          11, which btw forever convinced me that it is more about Belichick up there than Brady — and that’s no knock on Brady who’s obviously an all-timer. But 11 fucking games and the dude (Cassel) and not even played since HS? That was unreal.

  • Gotta admit, I’m looking forward to seeing Johnny Football play. Swooped him up on FF. Gonna start him. Balls.of.Steel.

    I sent MB this pic

    http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/51f968a7ecad047d38000001/nfl-teams-think-johnny-manziel-is-undraftable-because-he-parties-too-much.jpg

    MB, I’m happy to report, is alive deep in Poontang Jungle.
    He is not a J. Football fan, to say the least.

  • Ugh. Rapsheet reporting Raiders might move to L.A.
    Let me speak for all Los Angelenos (who don’t have a criminal record).
    NO.THANKS.

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