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A Road Map For Marc Trestman To Remain Head Coach of the Chicago Bears

| November 12th, 2014

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The Bears organization does not want to fire Marc Trestman at the end of this season; not when they know the 2015 offensive talent will look remarkably similar to the 2014 offensive talent and a systemic overhaul would likely burn through another year of “the window” in the name of transition. But Trestman won’t avoid the sack as a matter of convenience. The next seven weeks offer him an opportunity to earn another season at the helm. Here’s the map.

Step #1. Trestman’s Bears beat the Vikings and Bucs at home. This would move the team to 5-6 and at least slightly mute the chorus of naysayers. These games are must wins. Can anything Trestman achieves the remainder of the 2014 campaign be taken seriously if his team loses to Teddy Bridgewater or Josh McCown at home? (A loss to Lovie Smith would be an especially emphatic nail in the coffin.)

Step #2. Trestman’s Bears deliver a spirited effort on Thanksgiving. This will be the next time the Bears receive any national attention. It would be imperative from a public relations perspective for the Bears to (a) not embarrass themselves and (b) show the fight and passion missing from their efforts against New England and Green Bay. In many ways beating the Lions on Thanksgiving and moving to .500 would not only be a saving face performance but it might also create optimism around the coach’s potential to lead this organization into the future.

Step #3. Trestman’s Bears split their high profile, primetime contests at home with the Saints and Cowboys. Assuming both the Saints and Cowboys are going to be in serious playoff contention come December, these will be two motivated teams and true, meaningful challenges. These are exactly the games Trestman needs on the schedule. The non-contenders don’t provide him an opportunity to prove anything. Playoff contenders do. Bears need to play hard in front of a national audience and split these two games at worst.

Step #4. Finish Strong. Does Trestman have to win the final two games of the season? Perhaps. But one thing must certainly be true: there can be no doubt at the end of these final two games that the offense is in a position to excel at the start of the 2015 season. There must not only be signs of progress from the offense. There must be concrete evidence of success on that side of the ball and there must be no worse than a .500 record on the season.

Is all this likely? Of course not. The team is dreadful and will most likely lose 4 or 5 of their final seven. But the schedule provides a map for the coach to stay. He needs to navigate the road.

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  • Bears-4-Ever

    First to say…I don’t give a damn about Trestman anymore. Get him outta here and find someone that can use and talent we have on Offense and Actually LEAD as a head coach for the ENTIRE team.

    I say CLEAN HOUSE. I’m done with this weak organization. Fix it or sell the team to someone who WILL.

    • NewBearInTown

      They did clean house. They fired everyone and completely changed the organizational philosophy. That was 24 games ago, 1.5 seasons. You can’t keep doing that and expect to make any progress.
      I can’t believe I’m saying this, but look at the Browns. They fired a coach/GM combo after one year and it turned out they were actually making some good moves. Hoyer is a good, if not spectacular QB. Gordon really would have been worth shopping for a trade. Richardson absolutely was shipped at the right time. They spent their first round pick on a guy who’s riding pine because they already had a starting QB on the roster. Sometimes you have to give it time to develop.
      I’m not looking for a total teardown. I’m looking for intelligent moves to continue improvement. We’ve hit a bump in the road. We made need to make some changes, probably even as high as head coach, but that’s not a total teardown.

    • BillW

      They are NOT going to sell except PERHAPS for tax reasons after Ginny dies) . Of all the fan based solutions, that one doesn’t even have a “Dumb and Dumber” chance of happening.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        Everything is for sale if the price is right.

        • BillW

          Certainly true – but it’s tough to put a price on a legacy. Despite their football incompetence, the McCaskeys see themselves as part of the founding of the NFL. They see themselves as “royalty” for that reason alone.

  • Peanut FTW

    At this point, I would like to see some wins even for the sake of building some hope for next season. If the defense doesn’t turn itself around, even if we win a shootout the next two weeks, I would expect to see Tucker gone immediately. I realize it won’t change anything this year, that the interim will be no different; I don’t care. I want a PR move that proves to me that this Defense is as unacceptable to the upper management as it is to us.

  • CanadaBear

    Since we’ve all been kidding about the Jefferson’s, I’m re-posting my favorite version of moving on up. You might be surprised by the lead singer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCJTR3XeiAc

    • Peanut FTW

      I missed something, somewhere. I was hoping to get caught up by reading a post eventually but it hasn’t happened. WTF does the Jeffersons reference mean?

      • CanadaBear

        The only other team to give up back to back 50 pt games was the Rochester Jefferson’s back in 1923. The team only had 1 year in the league.

        • I was wrong on that. They actually had 5 years.
          But they folded midway through the season in the year they accomplished that feat.

          • CanadaBear

            Thanks for the clarification JW. Doesn’t really make any difference. Just trying to have some fun with The Beloved. Gotta love making fun of Hitler!

    • Cormonster

      That was funny. I love the parody. Here’s one of my favorites for obvious reasons.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErAr40NQFZY

      • CanadaBear

        The first one I saw using that clip was a Cub’s parody. It was at least 10 years ago and whoever did it knew the Cub’s. It was hilarious.

        • BillW

          Then there are a couple of Hitler as a Favre fan reacting to him signing with the Vikes.

          But the Govt Mule one –
          The ALMOND Brothers???

          • Cormonster

            The Almond Brothers lines were funny. I like how they spelled intellectual wrong too.

          • BillW

            So it was intentional? Or just a funny parody with some errors in it?

          • Cormonster

            Intentional for sure. Whoever did the parody knows Warren Haynes very well, right down to his guitar tech. Warren Haynes has been in the Allman Brothers for 25 years, and started Gov’t Mule 20 years ago. The “unintelectual” line not sure.

        • Cormonster

          I like the Brian Farmer loyalty line in there.

  • Peanut FTW

    How bout Tucker Jeff. Can even 10-6 save his job?

    • DaBearsBlog

      No. Tucker won’t be back in 2015.

  • Peanut FTW

    Trestman is surprised that Jay is doing way better in practice than in games. I’ll take this one for you Marc. You see in practice, Jay is going against the Bears defense… is it clear now?

    • BillW

      And has a red “do not touch” jersey on. He has ZERO fear of actually being sacked. So he is calmer in going through the progressions. I’m sure at some point the coaches call “time” and say “that would have been a sack”. But it may be the intensity of a real potentially violent hit that makes him breakdown.

  • Artoo

    I say the offense needs to show off the rest of the season. I’m talking 21 points a game. Cutler, Marshall, Jeffrey, and Bennett put up respectable numbers and that might keep Trestman alive.

    Let the defense go down in flames or rise above their ashes. Tucker can’t seem to get these players on the same page or playing at a consistent level. The Bears can’t afford their defense to keep giving up 30 points in the first half.

    If Trestman’s offense can’t get 14 points a game and produce at a high level then his job is moot.

    • CanadaBear

      It might help if the players don’t pack it in when they get down 14-0.

    • BerwynBomber

      21 won’t get it done. I believe 28 would be the number.

      Last I heard — and this was a few weeks back — the Bears O was down five points a game from last year. We might not think that it is much but it actually represents a significant drop-off.

  • Well said as usual, Jeff.

    • BillW

      I don’t get it. No offense meant at all (of all people, I’m not one to criticize or insult). But all Jeff is saying is the “map to keeping his job” is win several more games. We all know that is true.

      But that involves stopping doing what they aer doing and do something else. There is no indication that is going to happen. As Jeff acknowledges.

      So to recap, we don’t think it’s going to happen but if the Bears win several more games then Trestman stays. Yep – and even if they don’t I’m afraid it’s likely he will stay.

      • DaBearsBlog

        It isn’t about “winning several more games”. It is about winning a very specific collection of the remaining games and performing a very specific way in the three games that will receive national attention. The point of this column is the schedule actually sets up PERFECTLY for Trestman.

        • BillW

          I get it. Thanks Jeff.

  • GPLDAN

    I think it might be the dia-beeeeetus.

    • BillW

      I do always wonder that. I am ignorant when it comes to this disease but I wonder if his “don’t care” attitude on the sideline is at least in some part due to control emotions to help himself keep things in check.

      Again, I’m ignorant about it – but I do wonder.

      • GPLDAN

        His sideline manner biting his nails, sitting by himself, it was weird.

      • Cormonster

        John Madden has a good take on Cutler and his diabetes. Radio interview on youtube.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg59d5-fkVU

    • BerwynBomber

      Poor Jay. Never been a fan of the guy but as someone noted on here last week it’s death by comparison given our historical rival employs an all-timer at the same position. Moreover, this year he also gets Brady and Brees on the schedule and even Stafford is delivering clutch drives and keeping things afloat without his primary target.

      • wreckinball

        I don’t know about poor he makes more money than those guys

        • BerwynBomber

          Yep, highest paid player in the league this year does not help the optics.

  • GPLDAN

    Again I ask the question:

    Will Trestman get the hook if the Vikes come in and paste us by 30? If the boo birds turn Soldier Field into a post Veteran’s Day howling convention?

    Let’s take the obvious tack here: The McCaskeys and Teddy and Phillip won’t fire Trestman no matter WHAT happens, so what incentive is there for the remaining players who seem to have checked out on him to check back in?

    It was a huge mistake not to can him Monday. Put Matt Cavanaugh in charge.

    It is not how MOST NFL orgs would have responded. If the Bears have some more genteel manner about them that prevents such “rash” actions, then how does this team come back?

    Jeff said WHAT must happen for Trestman to survive. I would sure like to know HOW

    • wreckinball

      Bags are the answer I’d give them next week and then break out the bag

    • Scott W.

      Me too. I think when Emery hire Trestman, both he and a lot of us thought/hoped he had found a Bill Bellicheck clone hiding in Canada.
      What we wound up with is Romeo Crennel light. Or if you wish, Tony Dungy extra light.
      The problem isn’t Trestman’s personality, I don’t think anyway.
      More, it’s his inability to execute a game plan. He likely analyzes the hell out of game film and his players, but doesn’t seem to be able to translate any of his hard work into action.
      He’s ineffective from end zone to end zone, and HOW in God’s name he could change all of that now is beyond me.
      And him too, I suspect.

      • SC Dave

        Certainly was not true last season. So what is the real difference?

        • Scott W.

          Well, as I close my eyes and throw a dart in the general direction of the Magic Answer Board, all I can come up with is that he got by last year with at least vestiges of a defense, and being a relatively unknown commodity in the NFL as far as head coaching goes.
          Like the novelty of Kapernick, Wilson, read options, etc., NFL coaches are by and large quick to catch on and adjust.
          I think that’s part of it. He’s been figured out.
          Best I can come up with Dave.

    • BerwynBomber

      If the Vikes beat us by 30 at Soldier there will be pink slips at Halas on Monday.

      • GPLDAN

        I’d like to believe that.

        • BerwynBomber

          Heck, I would lower the number to 20. The Cheese and Rodgers, as well as the Pats and Brady and the ‘chick, can at least be rationalized. The AP-less Vikes, with a rookie HC and QB, no way.

          (And a rookie QB that went in the second round, no less.)

          • GPLDAN

            #bridgewaterboarded

      • BillW

        MAYBE Tucker if the defense gives up 30+ and lose by say 17 or more. But I doubt Trestman is going anywhere until year end.

    • Big Mike

      I’m saddled with two tickets to the TB game. Along with airfare, hotel accomodations etc for a road trip planned in mid august. Fuck me..

      • BillW

        Don’t know where you are coming from but is it really so horrible to be in Chicago?

        Yeah – likely to be cold but Michigan Ave will be decorated for the holidays (apologies if you are of a faith where that is not a positive or maybe even a negative).

        Great restaurants and bars. Associate with lots of other Bear fans (misery loves company etc.) Sounds like a good time to me.

        • BillW

          I mean “where are you coming from” meaning “what city”. I didn’t mean “I don’t know where you’re coming from” meaning “what do you mean?”

          If you know what I mean.

        • Big Mike

          Don’t get me wrong. Fun will be had. We’ve got the tailgate set up with a dozen or so guys we grew up, pre and post game activities. I grew up in the city. I’ll be coming from DC. But traveling all the time, I can tell you spending a few large to go to Chicago in late November is not on the list.

          The sole purpose for this trip was for my brother and I to go to our annual home game. We typically take in one home and one road game every year. I can’t remember a game I’ve wanted to see less. If it’s raining and cold, I’ll be watching from the Palmer House Hylton where I’m staying. I’ve sat in sub-zero weather to watch the beloved. First game I saw was coached by George Halas. (I was 5). I’ve seen a game coached by every coach since them. I’ve watched 4-12 teams and a 15-1 team. So far this year’s version is my least favorite.

          • CanadaBear

            I totally get it. I love going to Chicago to see my family but not in the winter. Too bad you’re so bummed about them. I’m terribly disappointed but would still enjoy seeing a game live (of course, I’ve only seen a handful of games live and none since the late ’70’s).

          • Big Mike

            This is not the team to see. I’ll be starting the “Lovie” chants if they really start to suck. Next season, I’m going to the opener, when hope still reigns.

          • BillW

            If Lovie is 1-9 at that time I don’t think chanting his name will have much of an effect. I thought about going despite the record but it’s the Sunday before Thanksgiving and we’re holding it this year and it’s difficult to justify not being home to spend some time in preparation for that.

            But I’d really be cheering for them to beat Lovie. You take what small pride you can.

          • Big Mike

            Oh no doubt, I’ll be cheering for the Bears. But like I said if Lovie’s team is “getting healthy” against the Bears, all bets are off.

          • BillW

            You missed the 1-13 season? I went to at least 4 games that year on my dad/uncle tickets – but managed to miss the only victory.

            Here’s hoping for reasonable November weather. I’m sure once you’re with your buddies it will be easier to forget the record and hope they smoke Lovie.

            Hmm – maybe Briggs out to sit that one. His loyalty is certainly suspect.

          • Big Mike

            Nope, I was 8. I saw the 1 win against Pittsburgh that set our franchise back a decade. We lost the coin flip with Pittsburgh. They took Bradshaw. We traded the pick for Lee Roy Caffey, Elijah Pitts and Bob Hyland. I’m told had we lost to them, the Bears would have taken Bradshaw. That’s ok, we had Jack Concannon and Bobby Douglass.. SMH

  • wreckinball

    Do they realize they have to change? Not sure by their reaction to becoming the moden day Jeffersons?

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and overand expecting different results.

    That goes for coaches and especially veteran QBs who I guess will have a transformation in year 9

  • wreckinball

    I mean I guess he could be a Belichick in the making who initially sucked. However he had to change teams

  • GPLDAN

    Patrick Mannelly told an interesting story.

    Last year, after practices, even practices that sucked (and NFL players know when practice sucked) – they would all take a knee and Trestman would ALWAYS tell them it was a GREAT practice.

    Mannelly found that insulting. He thought other players found Trestman pollyanna and Mister Rodgers positive. He said if you blow smoke up a NFL players ass, then it’s to be expected that they might check out.

    I found that interesting. We have Fred Rodgers reanimated corpse as a coach. Mannelly told that story after Nessman tried to hide behind the “we had a great week of practice” line to explain why he didn’t see the beat down coming.

    Nessman also said he didn’t see anybody loafing or quitting in the Packer game. Willfull blindness in pursuit of rainbows and unicorns.

    • BillW

      I’m glad there are some recent ex-Bears calling out the effort. It’s tiring hearing Doug and O’B doing it.

      • wreckinball

        Great photo!

      • GPLDAN

        Bill,

        You’re still DBB’s Eeyore, but you get 73 blog points for a Sherman Helmsley avatar.

        • BillW

          Thanks for noticing me!

    • CanadaBear

      The original MB said the team quit Sunday night.

  • CanadaBear

    I posted an article the other day where long time NFL FO types said the knock on Nessman was he froze under pressure. Looks like that’s the case now. During games he just stares straight ahead and looks like a statue.

    I’m afraid Cutler is literally damaged goods. Not that he was all that great to begin with but after all the beatdowns he seems slow both mentally and physically. Doesn’t look like he’s processing info. Just staring at the reciever. His internal clock is non-existent and he’s moving around like he’s in slow motion.

  • NewBearInTown

    There are other road maps. Run the table in the division. Win against the Saints and Cowboys in convincing fashion. Close out the season on a 3+ win streak. Those feats could all save Trestman by the themselves. Jeff didn’t lay out the only road map, he just suggested the most statistically likely.

  • Ososfan

    If somehow we end up with a winning record, I don’t see how the first pick in the upcoming draft is not a mauling OT. I think we get a huge boost in the salary cap next year which would allow the Bears to get some decent FA and give more time for the drafted guys to develop without making them play unprepared. Cutler needs fire up his team somehow. I stil mention that SD game where he was playing like a beast (befoe he got hurt and INT) we had a winning streak and everyone in the NFL was scared of playing the Bears. Cutler needs to remember that….

    • here’s the problem with FA: it’s a place where you can land some solid parts (by overpaying), but you generally don’t get studs you can build your unit around. It’s a useful tool, but something that’s incredibly dangerous to overuse.
      In order to have a good unit, you need at least 3 studs, ideally 4, that opposing teams have to game plan around (the only exception to this is if you have a stud QB, in which case you are guaranteed at least an adequate offense, you lucky bastard). Almost all of those guys are going to come through the draft.
      Then you need to surround those guys with solid players who fit your scheme. You can find some of those guys in FA, but you often overpay for them, so getting as many of them as possible in the draft is good.

      • NewBearInTown

        You’re both right. We need another young stud to play right tackle and finish off the offensive line. We also need at least one more great defensive end or 3 tech to inject youth on the defensive line.
        Not a surprise, you build around the lines on both sides of the ball.

        • I still think at least one of Mills, Ola, or Leno ends up being a solid RT. At least if Kromer sticks around. They all fit the profile of Kromer OTs who develop into solid players after a year or two.

      • Ososfan

        I agree with everything you’ve said. I enjoy reading your responses they are (like many of y’all here) very informative. I wish we could get some FA on the cheap, we kinda did overpay for Bushrod but he was an immediate upgrade. I still think we need some guys on the trenches on both sides to really improve the team. I say thisncoking draft and next one will will have the majority (hopefully) of pieces in place….. Our D is still in shambles, I understand but our Line is huge need in my opinion…….

    • Chicago’s biggest need is still defensive studs to build that unit around. Right now they don’t have any, though Fuller looks like he’ll be one in a year or two.
      You hope one of the DTs can develop into one. You still need 1-2 more of those from the draft this year.

  • wreckinball

    Maybe the Vikes will be over confident

    • Big Mike

      We just need to forget everything that has happened and focus on each game. Otherwise it’s just too maddening.

      • Trac

        There’s not a doubt in my mind that towards the end of the season one year, the Colts tanked to get Andrew Luck.

        • Big Mike

          As an organization, but the players they put out there did their best.

  • Big Mike

    WGAF. We’re talking draft in November.

  • I was looking around today and came up with some interesting stats. Look at Cutler, Stafford, and Kaepernick. Nearly identical stats across the board, including $$ they are paid and performance of the offense they lead.

    Yet Stafford is 7-2, Kaepernick 5-4, and Cutler 3-6. Why?

    Stafford has the best D in the NFL, Kaepernick has a slightly above average D, and Cutler has the worst D in the NFL.

    But yeah, let’s blame Cutler.

    http://imgur.com/tR6nuQu

    • NewBearInTown

      So Cutler would be a better quarterback if his defense bailed him out?
      No, all that research shows is that Stafford and Kaepernick shouldn’t be getting a ton of the credit for their team’s success. And that’s not news to anyone. Stafford has been carried by Calvin Johnson, Kaepernick revolutionized the read option in the playoffs a couple of years ago but has always been a bit inconsistent as a passer.
      And those stats mask how terribly the offense has been the last 2 games.

      • BillW

        One possibility – the offense has lost confidence (as BMarsh says) and that could be IN PART (not whole) to realizing they have little to no chance to win against even mediocre opponents given the defense.

        • guest

          The O-line sucks, and Cutty isn’t a very good QB. It’s that simple.

      • what it shows is that Cutler shouldn’t be getting all the blame. All 3 of those are solid NFL QBs who you can easily win or lose games with, depending on how good of a team you put around them.

        So if you’re gonna bitch about how much Cutler sucks and needs to be benched, then Stafford and Kaepernick should be benched too, even though their teams are winning.

        • SC Dave

          Stats and leadership are not equivalent.

    • BerwynBomber

      What a nonsense post. If Kap and Stafford were playing here, committing the same mistakes as Cutty and 3-6, they would get the same amount of criticism. But they’re not. They’re winning. Moreover, Stafford has engineered three last-second drives to win games.
      Jay’s stats are average — he’s 16th in the league in QBR — and if

      • that’s just it… they’re providing the same caliber of play, only for teams with markedly better defenses.

        • BerwynBomber

          You might be right about Kap and Cutler but Kap’s rushing stats are probably not adequately captured by QR or QBR (but for the record I”m not that high on Kap anyway and I would rather have Jay as a pure passer). Plus, I don’t think anyone is praising Kap for his season this year and he’s significantly below Cutty in QBR.

          Stafford’s a little different case. Undertake a quick but revealing exercise if you will. Go back and look at Stafford’s QR from his Atlanta game and Cutler’s from the NE game. They occurred the same weekend but amazingly Cutler’s QR came out higher and only blind man would say Cutler had the better game. To its credit, QBR did capture the difference and had Stafford fifteen points higher for those same games.

          But yes I get your point about his defense, but Jay had that benefit too for most of his career here. And again, Stafford has thrown two last second TDs, engineered a last second FG drive from his own endzone and was the winning QB against Pack. He doesn’t do those things and his team is 3-6 or 4-5 and he’s taking Cutty-like heat.

          Comes with the position.

          • Cormonster

            Stafford had nothing to do with the Pack win. He turned it over 3 times, and the offense only put up 10 points. The Lions defense won that game by themselves. The D outscored the Packers offense 9-7. That was a fun game to watch.

            On the other hand, your right about Stafford having some great comebacks this year. That team is playing with some swagger right now, largely due to the defense. If you know your defense is going to keep you in every game, especially playing stout late, it does make it a lot easier to stay confident that your team can win every game.

          • CanadaBear

            Having the best WR in the game doesn’t hurt!

          • BerwynBomber

            Nor does it hurt having Forte, Marshall, Bennett and Jeffrey. Look I”m no Stafford or Kapernick fan. I just thought JW’s post was silly, although I generally like his stuff and agree with him.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough point about the Kittens/Cheese game. Guess I’d only say even if Cutty played lousy against the Cheese and we won he’d still get some credit for notching a victory against the Cheese. Same goes for pie face.

          • SC Dave

            Didn’t work all so well for us between 2007 and 2011 or so.

          • I’m not trying to say Cutler has been great. I am not one of those fanboys who says Cutler is awesome and blindly defends him. I’m also not going to blindly attack him though. Cutler has been part of the problem in Chicago this year, but far from the entire problem. He has also been part of the solution in the past, and I believe he can get there again.
            My intent here was to show that Cutler is performing similarly to some of the other quarterbacks in his pay range, only those QBs are not receiving criticism because a good defense is allowing their teams to win. I used a couple different stats to try to capture different measures of QB play so this wouldn’t be biased, and even manually included fumbles in turnovers because Jay is fumbling a lot more than those two.
            Cutler is one of a number of highly paid QBs who can win in a good situation or lose in a bad one. Others include Eli Manning, Stafford, Kaepernick, Dalton, Flacco, Ryan, Romo, etc.
            You’re exactly right about Cutler having that benefit in the past. So now the question is if he can get there again. Like Stafford now, Jay got a lot of credit in the past for being “Mr. 4th quarter” and winning close, low scoring games that he was only in because of his defense.
            Detroit has scored 7 points or fewer in 4 of their 9 games this year. They’ve won 3 of those 4 because the defense keeps them in it.

  • BearDown100393

    At this point, I’d prefer the coaching staff to follow a road map to Oakland.

  • BillW

    Was thinking about Peppers during the game and then after.

    During – I was thinking how I have no respect for a player who turns it on for another team after underperforming for us. To me, that’s not professional.

    After – maybe (just maybe) he is inspired this year by his teammates; last year’s defense was certainly uninspiring to say the least.

    Same “unprofessional” label could be applied even based on that. But maybe it’s simply human nature.

    • Trac

      I was just thinking about Peppers too. Lovie got us Peppers, Tresty got us Jarred Allen. Hmm.

      • BillW

        And again maybe if the Bears D was better Allen would be performing better.

        Chicken and egg situation of course (pun partly intended re CD). If Allen performed better then maybe other teammates would be inspired. Same is true of Pep last year.

      • highly different scenarios. How often does a Peppers in his prime become available on the FA market? Even then, had to overpay massively for him, to the point that his contract hurt the teams’ cap the last few years (and even this year after he’s gone).
        Allen’s deal was much smaller with the understanding that he will only be year for 2 years.

        • GPLDAN

          Somebody should relay the story about how Glitchy flew to NC for a clandestine 3am meeting on the tarmac with Pep. Goofy story.

    • Big Mike

      He did the same on his way out of Carolina. Tanked for a year. The label was that he took plays off. Didn’t look that way his first few years here.

      • CanadaBear

        His last 2 years here he had multiple games where he literally didn’t make the stat sheet. That’s pretty hard to do if you’re as fast as he is and actually trying.

        • Big Mike

          I know, that was unbelievable.

    • BerwynBomber

      I never felt that Pep dogged it here. And even last year he had an absolute monster game against Baltimore. I just felt the dude aged and got slow, which leads to inconsistency.

      But yeah, he looks miles better than Allen. Moreover, I believe the Cheese’s contract with Pep is more of a one-year trial than ours with the cowboy, in which I believe we are locked in for two years.

  • wreckinball

    Bears are giving 3.5 go figure?

    • BillW

      Up from 3. A lot of money being bet they hit rock bottom and will respond with an inspiring 4 point victory over the team that was predicted to finish last.

      Sarcasm aside, any victory would be inspiring Sunday.

      • guest

        Why? Each victory will just cost us in draft position.

  • BillW

    Trestman very successful as a head coach in the CFL – in the NFL, not so much.

    I know nothing about the CFL but I can make these reasonable assumptions –
    1. Most players there would rather be in the NFL
    2. Every player there is there because they want to play football
    3. Few players there make anywhere near the money an average NFL player makes
    4. It’s not organizationally poison to bench an underperfroming player
    5. Players feat being benched given number 1 above

    Therefore it’s reasonable to think perhaps the players in the CFL are more motivated than the millionaires in the NFL. Or at a minimum a soft approach by their head coach as detrimental as it can be in the NFL.

    Just trying to make sense of how this all happened.

    • CanadaBear

      From the little I know about the CFL you’re mostly correct. There are some players that are perfectly happy playing in the CFL (mostly Canadians). It’s still football. If the GM feels strongly about a player, there’s a good chance that player will get every opportunity. When Nessman was up here he had the best QB in the league (by a lot). Of course, was it the chicken or the egg? Either way, he connected with his team and they played hard for him.

      • Trac

        Do you think there is a cultural disconnect dynamic.

        • CanadaBear

          I think his team probably had some coaches to play the bad cop and his QB was the no doubt leader of the team. I’m sure there were other leaders on D. We just don’t seem to have anyone to hold people accountable.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    it’s not going to happen….spirited effort, play hard, finish strong.

    Also, who wants such things ? Hell no… give me tanking. You need Ls for the opportunity to draft a QB.

    • Big Mike

      It’s a quality of life issue.

    • BillW

      Let’s stop the “tanking” conversation before it starts. We’ve had this conversation on the board before and it can get quite intense.

      While without a doubt it improves the draft position – the consensus is that we’d rather see the players perform to their abilities than watch them fail semi-intentionally, only to be on the roster again next year.

      That is, a prerequisite for a good NFL player would be giving their all every game no matter the record or score. Any player who “tanks” should be cut and good luck finding a spot on an NFL team next year.

      • Big Mike

        You can’t “tank” and build the right culture. Tanking is for people who like the offseason more than the actual games.

        • BillW

          Absolutely. Any “tanking” players on the roster next year would be suspect as to their attitude.

        • guest

          Nobody’s “asking” players to tank .. .you just hope that they will. In order for us to get a high draft pick we just need to play like we’ve been playing.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          look I used ‘tanking’ the wrong way. Jeff was talking about ‘finish strong’ which is the opposite of ‘tanking’ and also detrimental to the team.

          Of course you can tank and build the right culture… the Colts have tanked and they haven’t missed the playoffs since.

      • guest

        BS. I don’t give a fuck about players performing to their abilities when they’ve already fucked the season. Suck for Luck, absolutely. Barb’s right.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        You’re mistaken in your views.

        The players who should be cut are the ones that aren’t/shouldn’t be on the roster next year. I’d cut DJ Williams, Briggs today. Fire Tucker because having such a bum as your DC hurts the youngsters the most. Play the rookies extended minutes.

        Also sit Marshall, Bennett if they’re injured. Pass to Forte, run with Carey. Put Mills on IR, play Leno. See what Wilson can do.

        Play hard, but play hard with the youngsters. Try all kinds of things. Move people around and expose them to any type of situation, see how they respond.

        PS: The Bulls didn’t tank last season, but they did trade Deng and tried a different type of offense with the bigs as the center of the action. By trading Deng….Snell got minutes and DJ Augustine got more shots (you’ll say ‘he’s no longer a Bull’ and I’ll say ‘yes, but his success helped sign Brooks on the cheap’).

  • huntinbare

    This is why I should not be given the keys to the automobile. I posted the following on the last thread just before Jeff wrote today’s article. I was trying to go with a better execution angle; but maybe winning will cure some ills. I really do not care if Mr. T gets another year or not. I just want us to figure out how to get back to the basics of the game; polish them up, and get a firm foundation to go into next year on a positive.

    If I were Trestman I would sit the team down and tell them that for the rest of the season I do not care about getting victories. I would approach each game as a preparation/practice for getting the skills developed to become flawless when it comes to execution. Forget about the score; just get your execution of the system cleaned up on each and every play..That type of emphasis may take the pressure off and eliminate the mistakes and penalties. This season is a bust; the most important thing that has to come from the remainder of this year is to learn to play together, get some continuity, and play for your brother. In this process the weak link’s will be exposed and they should be eliminated. Back to the drawing board at the beginning of pre season and try to reset a positive framework to build off of for next year.

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    • BillW

      In other words, a 7 game exhibition season.

      Not being sarcastic at all. I think under the circumstances that makes perfect sense.

      • Big Mike

        More than an exhibition, because those don’t even have game plans. Oh wait…

  • BillW

    Trying to find out what the record is for points allowed in a three game stretch. We know only the Jeffersons and the Bears have given up back-to-back 50 plus.

    Can’t find that – but ran across a couple of references to the Bears giving up 187 total in 1985.

    They have given up 177 in the past 5 games and 215 in the past 6.

    They have given up an average of nearly 31 points per game. For you math geeks, the median is “only” 27. The sample is too small for the standard deviation to be meaningful, but the inner-quartile range is huge (18). Meaning the results have a huge amount of variability.

    They need to hold their remaining opponents to under 29 points a game average to avoid giving up more points than last year. Given the variability it’s very doable. No Rodgers or Brady left – just Brees in term of top QBs.

    Outside of those two disasters, the average is 24.4 and the median 23. So it’s likely despite the Jeffersonian performance the past two games they will “improve” over last year.

    And Emery / Trestman may point to that improvement in justifying keeping Tucker.

    • huntinbare

      I hope for the continued decline in the statistical dept. ….make it as bad as we can…in no way, shape, or form do I want to give anyone the faintest idea that Mel T. should be retained.
      Draft positioning is the obvious goal. Do not tank, just stay the course and the losing will take care of itself

      • BillW

        See – that’s the problem with giving up 50+. Give up 30 and it looks like improvement. And in Mr. Trestman’s Neighborhood you can bet that’s how it would be spun.

        • huntinbare

          Frieghtening calculation …I never liked “the new math”

  • huntinbare

    I do not understand the giving up part of the equation. Even if you do not like your coach or his system; there are plenty of other reasons to play through each whistle with passion…….

    Pride…this is your job…how you perform it says a lot about you as an individual
    Brotherhood….there are teammates next to you who have pledged to have your back
    Respect…..you are in an elite fraternity that should be given the best you have…where is your dignity
    Fans….ultimately we pay your standard of living…and we care that you succeed…would you let your child give less than their best in any endeavor and be silent
    Back when I carried mail I always told my union brothers who would lay down on the job because they wanted to get back at management. Management does not pay your salary; the public has invested mightily into your future well being; you are doing this societal task to hold up your bargain to the public, they deserve your best every moment. You wanna get back at management; look them in the eye at the team meetings and call them out in front of the crowd.

    • SC Dave

      A damn fine post, huntin’

      • huntinbare

        I thought the effort in the first GB game was weak also. Maybe we have too many outsiders that have no sense of the tradition behind the Halas legacy. I got this cool book while I was rehabbing several surgeries 2 summers ago and I thought about posting a weekly story during the off season ; but never got to it. Hopefully this off season. Don’t say that it has started already ….that would be too easy a shot.

        The Bears A 75 Year Celebration by Richard Whittingham

  • BerwynBomber

    Meh in regard to the Peter King Cutler piece. Cutty has earned the criticism but for body language and lack of leadership? Those things are the least of my concern when it comes to Cutler.

    King also flashes his out-of-town-stupid credentials when he says our corners can’t cover. Fuller and Jennings are, at the least, competent corners. The problem is a) over-the-top safety help has sometimes broken down or been late, and b) they just faced Brady and Rodgers who, if not facing a constant badass pass rush (which honestly most teams in the league can’t manufacture either) will most likely pick you apart over 60 minutes, or as the case might be 30 or 40.

    • GPLDAN

      Peter King.

      Bah.

      Here’s my Viva impression:

      FUCK Peter King.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The Bears play zone on defense. The CB cover zones you wanker.

      Can you be King if you’re a Peter ?

  • Sactowns#1

    All this doom and gloom revolving around the Bears and I’m reminded of my own childhood. On my fathers side I am the youngest and had 6 older male cousins. On visits up to my uncles I would be tourmented and brutalized. Having to wrestle kids 2-3 years older, outrun guys much bigger. But on my Moms side I’m the second oldest with my female cousin one year ahead of me and 7 boys younger than me, On visits up to my aunt and uncles it was my turn to be the brute.
    Thats all this Bears team really needs. We’re all upset becasue our bigger and better looking brother just worked us over in front of the prettiest girl in school. But now all we need to do is whoop up on someone else and regain some confidence. Lets go Bears!

    • CanadaBear

      NICE!

    • Big Mike

      Unfortunately we might be the runt of the whole damn litter.

    • BerwynBomber

      I wonder too if it is because of the 24 hour social media age we live in. I get the back2back 50 point embarrassment thing but a) everyone knew our D had major issues and unfortunately PE’s off-season fixes were only so-so, and b) Rodgers and Brady are absolute MFers who will expose the shit out of weakness.

      Bears need to give all-out effort and play competitively from here on out. Show us some of that effort we saw in Atlanta four or five weeks back. Yeah, I know it was the lowly Falcons but still. Just avoid the demoralizing laughingstock losses. And hey maybe even win a few of the remaining seven.

      • Big Mike

        Here it comes.. Everyone is trying to work up momentum to root for this shit show on Sunday. I’m the same way. If we can beat the Vikings and Tampa.. We can maybe go in to Detroit and .. oh wait. They are going to mop us up.
        5-7

        • BerwynBomber

          Ha! Well, believe me I’m not looking at 9-7, let alone 10-6, it’s more about showing some effort and being competitive. Baby steps with this bunch right now.

          Hell, we go 3-4 the last seven but avoid getting blown out in any game it would be considered a marked improvement.

          • SC Dave

            Yeah, need to see these quitters show a little pride to be wearing the uniform.

          • Big Mike

            I just don’t want to be laughed at every Monday.

        • wreckinball

          Exactly think 5-11

  • Trac
    • SC Dave

      Ditka expects players to provide leadership. He was lucky to have a ton of guys that did exactly that – Payton, McMahon, Hampton, and Singletary at the least.

      I don’t see anyone on the Bears roster doing that right now. Not one guy.

      Granted, not all players are cut out to be leaders, but SOMEONE needs to step up.

  • beninnorcal

    Terrible game Sunday, but something still feels like they’re going to flash late this season when they’re mathmatically out.
    Kinda like that Vikings game at the end of ’09. Too little too late but enough to give Tresty one more go. Have to imagine Tucker’s gone no matter what.

    • BillW

      I’ve been controlling myself to not look ahead too far. At this point it’s a fair question to ask :just how bad does it have to get? . Presumably this is finally rock bottom. Which may mean emery won’t make a head coaching change.

      They are almost certain to win a few more. Back to back 50s assures the defense will improve. And there you go. Great job turning things around marc. Go get em next year

      Yet he will still be the same coach.

      Not doom and gloom. Just analysis based on the situation. Emery will likely give trestman another chance. The bar is set so low Marc can’t help but “succeed”

  • wreckinball

    5-11 that’s the prediction probably the next two and then out but nonetheless that’s what I see

  • BillW

    I can’t figure out how to post links on my phone but read the recent article on pft about Josh crying after their latest loss. Got respect from his qb coach and it sounded like his teammates for showing he cares deeply. Josh acknowledged it may not have been manly but it was genuine hurt over the loss.

    Makes me rethink my support in signing cutty and letting him go. That may be dumb but he’d get no criticism here for caring

  • BillW

    I despise bullying and would never socialize with someone like incognito but isn’t it strange he can’t find a job?

    He may be no worse than mongo, who once said to trace Armstrong on air “hey trace-are you calling from that f*g bar you go to?”

    Many football players are like that. Incognito crossed the line and or got caught but he paid the price

    • wreckinball

      Incognito would should start on the Bears based on talent

  • wreckinball

    At this point Bears beating SF on MNF on their stadium opening is the upset of the year

  • BillW

    One thing for sure as Jeff said. Nothing like a bad bears team to drive page hits.

    Pays the bills hey jeff?

    All your doing no doubt. (joke obviously)

  • huntinbare

    A road map for Mel Tucker to remain defensive coordinator for the Bears

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4695566/mel-tucker-no-changes-to-starting-d-this-week

  • huntinbare

    GP…….. this is for you; not sure if you caught this, or if it has been posted.

    http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20141110/chicago/billboard-appeals-jim-mcmahon-save-floundering-bears

    • GPLDAN

      nice!

  • BerwynBomber

    More Shanahan rumors today courtesy of Mike Florio interviewed on the Score. Florio calls it a “no brainer” if the team is intent on keeping Cutler. The problem with other candidates, according to Florio, is that a) they may not want Cutler, or b) they may say they are fine with Cutler (just to get the job) and immediately say something else the first day they are on the job. (Apparently, this is what McDaniel did at Denver.) With Shanahan there is no risk to the front office in terms of the Cutler extension and subsequent embarrassment. Shanahan likes Cutler.

    Btw, I didn’t know Marshall was talking Shanahan after the Cheese loss. Interesting in itself. Anyway, if you are interested in the Florio interview you can find it on the “Hour 2” pod on the link below.

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/audio/the-spiegel-and-mannelly-show/

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      That’s a losing choice by default. You could bring Belichick as your HC, if the reason you did it is because of Cutler it’s a losing proposition.

  • Col Hogan

    Originally I was dissapointed that the Bears fired Lovie Smith. Lovie seemed to have the players respect and they all worked hard for him. They were a more disciplined team under Lovie Smith. Then Trestman came along. I didn’t like him at first but then said OK lets see what this guy can do. Here we are almost 2 seasons later and I am wondering why they haven’t fired this guy yet. Sure if they do that it means Emery screwed up in hiring him and maybe that means Emery should go too. But in the long run, if they clean house now they have the rest of the season to get aquainted with a new coach and nothing to lose since the season is pretty much a bust anyway. This is the perfect time to cut ties with Trestman and move on.

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