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Audibles From the Long Snapper: QB Cap Numbers, Charity Event Photos, Bears/Browns Stats & MORE!

| December 11th, 2013

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ESCALATING QUARTERBACK CAP NUMBERS

Phil Emery wants to build a championship contender in 2014 and he knows that tying up too much money in a single position can drastically effect his ability to plug needs, mostly on the defensive side of the ball. If Emery franchises Jay Cutler, the cap number for next season is thought to be between 16 and 17 million. That money is a directly assault on the salary cap. Here’s a bit from a NFP post from Brad Biggs on the Aaron Rodgers deal:

Now, Rodgers is on the books for seven seasons – through 2019 – at a total of $130.75 million, an average of $18,678,571 per season. Probably the best part of the contract for the team is the salary cap numbers never get out of whack. That is good for Rodgers too because those issues can lead to restructures and players getting cut. Here are his cap numbers through the life of the deal:

2013 $12 million
2014 $17.9 million
2015 $18.6 million
2016 $19.6 million
2017 $20.65 million
2018 $20.9 million
2019 $21.1 million

When Emery said he didn’t like the idea of using the tag on Jay Cutler in 2014 it was not because he didn’t want Jay Cutler on the roster for next season. Emery knows a long-term extension with Cutler affords him cap wiggle room and opens the door for mid-contract restructures to fit players when necessary. If the Bears franchise Cutler and pay Josh McCown the 2-3 million he’s earned this season, they would have a larger cap hit at quarterback than the Denver Broncos and Green Bay Packers in 2014.

I will reiterate what I’ve said since the Cutler/McCown conversation began. I believe both will be back next year and I think the Bears will have the league’s best quarterbacks room. Or as Potash wrote in his Sun-Times piece, “It’s a new era in Chicago. Krenzel/Hutchinson is a problem. Cutler/McCown is a luxury. The Bears have bigger issues with three games to go.”

OTIS WILSON CHARITY EVENT PHOTOS

I didn’t want to bog down the page by uploading a zillion photos so the Official Girlfriend of DaBearsBlog kindly set up one of these Instagram accounts for the blog. If you CLICK HERE you can see all of the photos from what was an amazing night. Our special thanks to the folks at the Double Door, the folks at Otis Wilson’s charity and the leadership at Art of Men. It would not have been possible without everyone’s hard work.

WHERE DO BEARS AND BROWNS CURRENTLY STAND?

  • Bears offense is now 7th in yards per game, 2nd in points per game. Browns are 15th in yards, 27th in points.
  • Browns are 28th in rushing offense. (This does not mean they won’t have success Sunday.)
  • Bears defense is 27th in yards allowed per game and 28th in points allowed. Browns defense is 7th in yards allowed per game but 19th in points allowed. (This is a pretty dramatic gap and I’ll be honest – I have no data to explain it.)
  • Cleveland is 9th in the league with 37 sacks. Chicago has only allowed 22 sacks on the season. Only Denver and Detroit have allowed fewer.
  • What might determine this game? Bears are +7 in turnover differential. Browns are -7.
  • I love point differential. I think it’s a stat that often tells a clearer story than wins and losses when it comes to evaluating teams. The 4-9 Browns are -67. So over thirteen games they are essentially a -5.15 a week. The 7-6 Bears are +8, meaning they are less than a point to positive weekly. Both numbers seem dead right.

WHY THE LIONS CAN EASILY BLOW DIVISION

I heard this comment during the Lions v. Eagles telecast and it was picked up by the Detroit Free Press:

Perhaps the most egregious example of not making adjustments was reported by John Lynch in the announcers’ booth. He said he asked the Lions about what adjustments they made to stem the turnovers that have robbed this team of an easy division crown. None. The coaches have not placed any emphasis in recent weeks in curbing the plague of turnovers. The Lions have an NFL-leading 20 turnovers in their last six games, 21 if you count the blocked punt against the Buccaneers. Not only have the coaches not addressed the turnovers, they indignantly commented about how they aren’t going to stop being aggressive. Fumbling the ball as it is snapped or inside the red zone is not being aggressive, it is careless. Heaving up passes into the end zone with a 14-point lead in field goal range is reckless not aggressive. Where was the aggressiveness in the play calling Sunday? It wasn’t there, just more carelessness.

Every year Detroit stays with Jim Schwartz, Bears and Packers and Vikings fans should rejoice. If the Bears can win Sunday in Cleveland, the Lions will have more pressure on them Monday night than they’ve had in a regular season contest for a decade plus. Can they handle it? Can they coach under that kind of duress? Can their quarterback refrain from throwing the ball to the other guys? That’s the situation they face Monday night. The Bears must put them there.

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  • MB30SD

    First, let’s beat the Browns.

    • ErikGrogan
      • Cutty Badger don’t give a fuck

        lol, old Waffle would tell you to fucking hang yourself with your highschool church tie but the new Waffle can laugh at this amusing southpark meme and laugh at himself as well.
        The Bears certainly are in an ironic position this year with two quarterbacks that can run the system and offensive pieces in place that can help these guys have consistent success.
        I don’t want people to forget how much shit was talked by fans and the media when McCown was brought on and kept on by Cutler lobbying the fuck out of the coaches to do so. Why do you think McCown is so fucking loyal? Two reasons: 1. He is a solid dude that appreciates his opportunity and 2. Jay is a huge reason why he was brought back.
        Regardless, Jay has a chance to help us win out against a #4 ranked D in Cleveland and then on to Philly who has a brutal defense but a great offense. That is when we need to hang 45.

  • gpldan

    Buffone mentioned that the Texans or Titans might make a run at McCown.

    If you are Cutler, do you want a 90M deal that looks like this?

    2014 – 5M
    2015 – 15M
    2016 – 15M
    2017 – 15M
    2018 – 20M
    2019 – 20M

    Knowing that the team can restructure and Cliff Stein bakes in a roster clause for every year past the next one? Do you “do it for the Super Bowl run?”. Or do you hold out and force them to tag you?

    Not to be crazy about this, but Cutler and his agent would hold out and force the Bears to tag. Anything else is irrational. Emery can want the deal I outlined above all he wants, he won’t get it.

    • tobijohn

      Perhaps those numbers would work with a substantial guaranteed minimum?

      • bearsfantillend

        agree. my guess is the guarantee on that would have to be close to 60M

        • tobijohn

          The other big problem I see for PE is a few teams desperate for a proven QB with crazy owners willing to overpay…

          • gpldan

            Emery and Stein have two options:

            Come to the table with a deal structured like the one above, the room freed up along with cutting Pep will give them $20M to play with and maybe shore up many weak spots, esp. safety and corner.

            Tag him, pay $16, now there is maybe $10M in wiggle room.

            Nobody will do guaranteed money and absorb cap hits that large if a player is PUP or is knocked out of the game for good. As a fan, if Cutler sustained a career ending injury next year in game 1, and you had money on the books to the tune of $10M + in 2015 and 2016, you would be on this blog calling Emery the dumbest SOB who ever lived. And you would be right.

            The essential problem in any LT deal is the active roster clause. Which is why Cutler will want his money now.

            Don’t take my word for it – watch it play out. I will bet you right here and now that Cutler opts for the tag.

          • BillW

            Cutler can’t “opt” for the tag; it’s not his decision to make. If Emery applies it, Cutler is a Bear at that price for one year or he sits out and gets nothing (and doesn ‘t like it.) Now with a 16mil tag for one year, Cutler gets money now but risks getting hurt. So I’d think he’d rather a multi-year deal with a substantial guarantee – which he can get from many teams.

            Look – I’d love from them to be SB contenders next year, and with Cutler and several new faces on D they probably can be. But plan B wouldn’t be too terrible either – assuming they can find a young smart relatively cheap QB in the draft. It just might take 2-3 years to be that SB contender.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            The money is everything, but Cutler can (kind of) “Opt for the tag” as GP suggests. With Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett, and his new o-line, Cutler will be loathe to leave Chicago regardless of most other offers. He’s had his ass handed to him for years up here, then, just when things get fun, he leaves town rather than take the tag? I don’t think so, but that’s just me.

          • BillW

            I see what you mean; Cutler knows what he has here and he knows it works. In fact, Cutler said on his radio show a few weeks back that he’d be ok with the tag. But I really don’t see Emery giving it to him; either they work out a deal or Emery drafts a QB.m Just my opinion based on Emery’s comments and the success of Josh McCown.
            That said, I would not be surprised if Cutler doesn’t play at all this year. Why risk his health – or the fact that he may be rusty.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            I think the only reason Jay takes a snap this season is to re-establish himself as the starter – despite the conventional line coming from every corner of the NFL Universe, including McCown and Trestman – that he already is the starter.
            Cutler is one hell of a QB, but his health has become a conversation filled with reasonable doubt, and McCown’s lights out performances have people actually calling for him to finish out. That has to have Jay’s attention, regardless of party lines spoken at press conferences.
            Lost in all of this QB debate is perhaps a more compelling question. SInce we now all believe we can score 40+ per game if need be (and it seems to be, since our D is playing in absentia), where does this all leave players like Tillman at season’s end? He’s been a big, big reason we stayed in or won games. Briggs is aging and not healing any faster either. Everyone is more than just mumbling about cutting Peppers (see GP and cap space above), and despite the love from Jeff and others, I am having a hard time envisioning Hester in a Bears uni next year. What do we do with McClellin? Major Wright? Once I start pondering all of that, my head swims in circles.

          • MB30SD

            My cut list for next year (I didn’t look up current contract situation or salary, this is pure top of head based on performance… or non-performance as it were): :

            * Pep
            * Wright
            * Conte
            * Hester (depending on salary)
            * CD (salary dependent)
            * Bush
            * a couple of the dline riff raff

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            Yeah, your pure head is spilling well, but I’d love to see the cap ramifications of that all happening, especially if Jeff’s new mantra (6 + 12) becomes the pivot point.

          • MB30SD

            yep,

            Here’s my ‘need to keep’ list – again, this isn’t cap or available money dependent, just who I would LIKE to see get deals. I’ll leave the hard stuff of ‘is it actually possible’ to cliff S and PE:

            * Cutty (IFF we can afford it and he cuts a reasonable deal)

            * McCown

            * Peanut

            * TimmyJ

            * DJ Williams – one year deal

            * Anderson

            * Melton (IFF he’s 100% healthy and he comes cheap – I’d be ok with a 1-yr prove it contract)

            * MAYBE bowman.. MAYBE… IF he’s cheap

            * Nate Colins – if he’s cheap on a 1 yr prove it deal

            * Garza… forgot him above.. I think if we can pick up a good center somewhere we let him walk or offer him a cheap vet deal for sentimental reasons

            * Slauson – smaller deal

            * Woot Woot – normal deal

            http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/chi/

          • Scharfinator

            I’m with you on all of these other than Pepp… If he continues to step up the 2nd half of this season, I say we see if he will take a pay cut.

          • NewBearInTown

            Wright and Conte probably aren’t both cut just because they play the same position. I suspect we bring in at least two safeties, but one of this year’s starters will make the roster.

            CD is a rookie. Emery likes rookies to play out their contracts, I think he stays for one more year.

            Pep might stay and take a pay cut. No way he gets anything close to his contract anywhere else. But he has a lot of value here and we wouldn’t be so disappointed with him if he was making $2-3M a year.

            Bush will likely stay unless a good young RB falls to us in the draft. Even then, he might stick around as the #3. I think most of his money has already been paid to him. But he could be cut for cap space.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t think we can score 40+ points at will. We did it against the worst D in the league. On Sunday we’ll be lucky to get into the high 20’s.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            I dunno. Would have agreed with that a week ago, but I think McCown and the WR’s, as well as Forte and the O-line, are starting to actually “get” Trestman’s offense. We knew this would take time, and I believe it’s happening. Of course, I once believed Love Smith would reign Mike Martz in in 2010 while Cutler was getting thrown around like a rag doll too….
            That said, again, I think the offense is starting to gel, so yeah, I believe we can put up scary numbers on O, even against Philly.

          • CanadaBear

            Hope you’re right!

          • johnnywad

            What happened a week ago against the worst D by points allowed in the NFL? Don’t put too much on one game.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            I wasn’t just thinking about Dallas. It’s the progressive picture. Some bad play calling notwithstanding, I think it’s starting to come together. Did you hear Tirico say that Trestman told him before the game that this was the first time he wasn’t nervous about the game plan since the season began?
            No, I think they are starting to get it. It’s been 13 games, which isn’t a bad time span when you consider the complexities of it.

          • NewBearInTown

            The money is everything, but you’re more likely to play out your monster contract if your team is winning. You think Flacco gets a deal if he plays for the Browns?

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            Winning or clearly on the cusp of. Using the Browns as a counterpoint is cheating though. He’s lucky to get a used Buick if he’s playing for Cleveland and you know it.
            Have you by any chance done a cap-look at the D, and what’s possible, what’s not?

          • gpldan

            He can “opt” for the tag by rejecting any offer in which his 2014 season salary is less than what he would be paid under the tag.

            Those are the rules of the CBA.

    • BerwynBomber

      Not to nit w/ 55, but I would be mildly surprised if Houston is a major player for Cutler. They are only now breaking up with Schaub and my guess is Cutler will look too similar to him for them to pass up on drafting a QB. TN and Oakland seem better fits. And maybe CLE too.
      I sometimes wonder if we overvalue Cutler because we have been so QB-famished for so long. Trestman, to a degree, is now duplicating his-journeyman-to-pro-bowler success he had with Gannon via McCown. PE has to be wondering what the guy could do with some kid he could mold from scratch. It has to be a tempting thought.
      Anyway, the negotiations and results are sure to be interesting.

      • NewBearInTown

        It won’t matter. Cutler will get tagged. The team will use the tag to keep negotiations exclusive. Cutler will hold out for the summer, but he’s not going anywhere.

        • Johnathan Wood

          the other option is trading Cutler with the tag on him. No way he walks for nothing.

          • CanadaBear

            That would be an interesting scenario. That would really have the fan base in an uproar.

          • NewBearInTown

            Why trade him? Our offense is built to win now. What would we get for him to make it worth it?

          • Johnathan Wood

            You would trade him for similar to Alex Smith, who got a 2nd and conditional 3rd/2nd.

            I agree it’s not my first option, but if the team decides to move on, they will trade him rather than lose him for nothing IMO.

    • NewBearInTown

      Dan, nobody signs deal where they actually get paid those numbers each year. Rodgers also didn’t sign a deal where he got paid $12 million this year.

      The players get paid three ways:
      1) Signing Bonuses. These are big money paychecks that can be pro-rated for 5 years of a deal. So if Cutler signed a $60M guarantee, they would write him that check that day. But the cap hit would be pro-rated as $12M/year for 5 years.
      2) Roster/Camp/Etc. Bonuses: There are additional yearly bonuses that get earned at the beginning of each season after something happens. These usually count for the cap year in question and, if not paid can often be subtracted from the cap number. So if Cutler signs a deal with $1M roster bonuses, the Bear’s cap number goes up each year until he’s not on the roster.
      3) Salary This is the game check. First years of deal frequently have almost no salary included – it all goes to the bonus.

      The numbers you suggest would be fine if Cutler signed a deal with a substantial signing bonus prorated for the cap. But we don’t get away just paying $5M if Cutler gets cut. We have a bunch of dead money to deal with. That’s why the Jets kept Sanchez as long as they did – cutting him doesn’t save any money – and actually hurts worse because the pro-ration goes away.

      The advantage of not tagging Jay is that you can pro-rate this year’s salary over the contract, so you get one cheap year for your trouble. But I’m not sure we really save that much money. If the cap is $16M, and the deal he signs would average $15M/yr, then we’re not saving cap space as much as pushing it off for a year. Emery and Stein understand that pushing off for a year can be nice, but it can also kill you if you overuse it.

      I predict we cut Peppers and use nearly that entire salary hit to pay Cutler this year with a cap hit of something like $12-15M. Then we look for a $16-18M average hit for three years after with some more inflated numbers after that. But given the cap risks to excessive pro-ration, Cutler’s bargaining power decreases a lot.

      The cap just isn’t that scary yet.

      • gpldan

        This is a good point. Jay can get all of the deal I outlined above in any part as up front bonus. All true, and the Bears rate it against the cap.

        But assume the table I outlined above is the cap hit. Say they pay him $20M now as bonus money and take the next two years as 5/15 and then agree to pay the NEXT two years as a $30M check they cut in late 2015.

        Same principle applies. Why would the Bears do this? You give him $20M and he plays one game for you vs. you tagged him and paid him $16M.

        Anyhow, it gets complicated, but my point is – neither the Bears nor Jay have much to gain in doing a deal vs. tagging.

        • NewBearInTown

          Cutler would hold out. Here’s the math he considers.

          I can take $16M guaranteed now and hope for a big check next year (say $50M guaranteed). Or I can take whatever the guarantee they offer me now is.

          Would you take an extra $4M now to lose your chance at $50M guaranteed? Even with a torn ACL in game one, Cutler has to figure he’s worth more than $4M in guarantees in 2015. I understand your thinking, but the offer you are suggesting isn’t something he would take.

          Now if he thinks he can get $50M guaranteed in 2015 somewhere else, but he can get $45M guaranteed to play here this year, he’s basically getting an extra $30M this year ($45M minus the cap) to walk away from a possible extra $40M next year ($50M minus a $10M salary in Chicago in 2015).

          Would you take $30M now to walk away from a possible $45M next year? You might. Especially if it keeps you in a good situation with a chance to win the SB and a solid offensive line to keep you healthy.

          • gpldan

            I just don’t get that. How can the Bears guarantee $45M against a 4-5 year deal and not assume more risk than any GM/team should?

            If you bonus the money you take the cap hit. Basically, if you pay the man, you can amortize it across years in fun ways, but you have to get it off the balance sheet eventually and count it against one of these years’ caps.

            If you don’t bonus all of it, and make it dependent on roster active or performance, then why does Jay sign?

          • NewBearInTown

            Look at the market my man. A great deal for the Bears would look something like $75M over 5 years, $40M guaranteed. That’s $15M a year average with about half each year counting against the cap.

            If you want the franchise QB, you have to risk the franchise.

    • ErikGrogan

      Make Cutler earn it with lots of incentives.

  • MB30SD

    Hee hee… heeeee heeeee.

    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/407571-rodgers-done-for-the-year?eref=fromSI

    Childish and immature, but…… Suck it rodge. How’s it feel packer fans

    • Sactowns#1

      So if you were the GB GM and Rodgers doesnt play this weekend would you put him on IR? Or do you try and give your fans their $ worth for the last 2 games?

      • MB30SD

        100% IR

        hee hee

        • Sactowns#1

          I mean if they lose this weekend theyre effectively eliminated,. So would want to put a quality product on the field for your fans and you risk your franchise QB? Or do you just wave the white flag on the season?

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, I know what you meant. I bet you anything the fans would rather have a fully healthy rodge in 2014 than risk anything now.

            that’s the way I’d feel.

          • BillW

            Packer fans would never say they are eliminated; just that they ran out of games before Rodgers got healthy. You can bet on that.

          • Scharfinator

            It depends how badly they want to get swept by the Bears this season! WOOWOO

      • BerwynBomber

        Were I GB, hell yes I would put him on IR. Why risk the franchise for a wasted season? Plus, I always remember Schottenheimer almost ruining Brees’s career by having him play in some meaningless week 17 tilt in which the latter suffered a devastating injury to his throwing shoulder. There are only a half-dozen franchise QBs in the entire league. You don’t throw them out there for semi-worthless scrums.

        • MB30SD

          or like lovie playing our first team D in a meaningless last game against the vikings and having Lach’s knee implode.

          But hey we won! Nice work Lovie! Asshole.

          • DYLbear23

            and it netted us Chicken Dinner in the draft instead of being in a position to play for Keuchly!

          • CanadaBear

            PE still would have drafted CD. He’s Phil’s guy! I don’t get all this hand wringing over winning meaningless games vs sitting all your good players and tanking for a draft pick. There’s never a guarantee a draft pick will pan out. Not to mention, #54 got hurt by friendly fire. What’s the odds on that? If the Beloved rolled over and tanked a couple of late season games for a higher draft slot, then blew the picks, how would you feel? Fuck that shit. Have some pride. Play every game to win!

          • DYLbear23

            haha I was just winding up MB Canada. I watched that game and cheered when we won. Fuck Wright though. Our safeties increase the odds of friendly fire happening tremendously every snap they play.

          • MB30SD

            meh, something to be said for strateegery maings, it’s situation by situation.

  • bearsfantillend

    Awe damn, Browns cut Caleb Hanie, i was hoping for a chance to see him play.

    • we got orton. it was only right that we’d get caleb, too.

  • MB30SD
    • gpldan

      I sort of want to geek out and get pedals and a wheel and play it. Closest I will get to driving them.

      • MB30SD

        I told you I had this before: http://gaming-steering-wheel-review.toptenreviews.com/driving-force-gt-review.html

        It’s AWESOME. Get it, really nice piece of equipment. Works really well and has a great feel. Highly recommend. Only issue was it’s sometimes hard to hold onto, the mechanism they built to hold onto it in your lap is lame, but all in all worth it.

        Lost mine in the divorce.. she prolly threw it out. ; (

        • MB30SD

          although, if you don’t mind the extra $150, might as well get the best available: http://gaming-steering-wheel-review.toptenreviews.com/g27-review.html

          • gpldan

            I’m weird, I would want the wheel that made me tired with the strong forces, etc.

            I saved all my pennies and went to Limerock and did Skip Barber one year. At the end, I was exhausted. I want it be like that, where the wheel gives you a workout like it does it real life.

          • MB30SD

            I get it.

            then get the one I had.

  • TheBigCheesy

    The league’s best quarterback’s room? That is……… the dumbest thing you’ve ever written.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Well, in fairness, you have a much more distinguished list of stupid fucking observations to your credit than he does to his.
      So there’s that.

      • MB30SD

        look at willie lurking. Common maings.

        • Willie

          Haha! Outside of a virtual “+1”, I don’t have much to add.

          I WILL FOREVER LURK! I’m more of an off-season commenter anyway.

          • MB30SD

            fair enough. feeeg.

      • Scharfinator

        BOOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!

    • NewBearInTown

      Says the guy whose team can’t win a game when the starter goes down.

    • johnnywad

      So where is there one better? Is there another team in the NFL that can trot out a backup for half the season and do what the Bears offense has done? It sure isn’t in Green Bay.

  • BillW

    Do any of you think Emery has already made up his mind about Jay? I mean, the options aren’t all that difficult to guess – and he already essentially said no to the tag. So if he wants to sign him, he already has a structure / price in mind. And if so, what’s to say he hasn’t gotten some feel for whether that’s OK with Jay. And if he gets the sense that it won’t be, he already is lining up the draft and free agency possibilities.

    Further – he knows what Jay is and isn’t so he really doesn’t need to see more to make a decision.

    I think he’s already decided. I just have no reasoning to say I can figure out what that decision is.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Yeah, I think he’s decided. And as GP pointed out earlier, Jay’s Type II Diabetes is likely a somewhat mitigating factor.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Jeff, how bad has the Browns kick coverage unit been? And where are they in turnovers on O?

    • MB30SD

      well well well… looooook who the cat drugged in.

  • Sactowns#1

    Well it’s not sounding likely that he’ll be back this week but boy could we use him against Shady in Philly- http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/24300858-606/lance-briggs-waits-for-medical-ok.html

  • MB30SD
  • BerwynBomber

    Yep, I’ve been on the Shorts-will-keep-us-in-contention bandwagon ever since our second loss to the Kittens. If Detroit even hired a solid but flawed HC like Lovie or a dude like Schottenheimer (from back in the day) they could be dangerous.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    Was this linked below?!!?

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Bears-likely-to-let-Cutler-walk-in-offseason.html

    “Unless quarterback Jay Cutler is willing to take a club-friendly deal on his next contract, the Chicago Bears are likely to let Cutler become a free agent in the offseason, a source said Wednesday. The Bears would do that even at the risk of losing him.

    “(The Bears) believe in (coach Marc) Trestman after what they’ve seen from (backup quarterback Josh) McCown,” the source said. “Between his system and the two big receivers (Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery), you have a system where a quarterback can flourish. I don’t know if McCown is going to be the starter (next season), but I think the team would be fine letting Cutler test the market and then go draft someone if he left.”

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Where would we be without anonymously sourced rumor mills?

      • MB30SD

        hahaha… in a better place?

        • gpldan

          “Our anonymous source said, in a wobbly voice that sounded strangely like Shaggy from Scooby-Doo”

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        facts?

  • NewBearInTown

    Saban should stay at Bama. Only reason to go to Texas is money. If Bama can give him a comparable deal, why leave?

    Jeff is wrong that Saban has nothing left to prove at Bama. He has nothing left to prove at Texas. He has already shown that he can build a dominant championship team. Now what he has to do is cement his legacy at one school for the ages. The guy can basically retire in Alabama as a living legend whenever he decides to shut it down. You win as many games and titles as you can to get into the record books and you do more and more to make yourself part of the legacy of a great program.

  • CanadaBear

    There is absolutely no incentive for Cutler to take a penny less than the tag amount in the first year of a contract. It’s all about up front money. That’s one of the reasons I’ve been so happy with Cliff Stein. He’s a pay as you go capologist. If a contract is back loaded everybody and his brother knows they won’t see dime of the last few years of the contract. Even Pep’s contract was structured that way until they restructured it twice in the last couple of years. If it’s a short contract (3 years) there’s no incentive to cut the Bears a deal since there is no security and way less bonus money. If it’s longer (5 years) there is much more incentive for a discount because the signing bonus would be a whopper.

  • CanadaBear

    I keep reading posts all over the internet about drafting a good QB and walking away from Cutler. I know Trest is the best OC/QB coach we’ve had in my lifetime but you can’t polish a turd. Maybe it’s because I’ve been a Bears fan for 50+ years but the chances of us getting lucky and drafting a good QB seem miniscule. I know we’re due but I have no reason to believe we’ll end up with a franchise QB without re-signing Cutler.

    • gpldan

      The last two years were both big big QB years.

      Look at how it turned out. Even if you get a guy like the Bills did with EJ Manuel that looks like he will be good, then he might go down. Weeden, Tannenhill, all guys who not panning out.

      And given our probable record, let’s look at who we get if we go high with QB.

      Probably AJ McCarron, since he’s a good fit for the Trestman style O.

      Anybody want to go McCown mentoring McCarron vs Cutty? I’d like to keep Cutty, but jut tag him and eat the space.

  • CanadaBear

    Two things that I’m very grateful for on an ongoing basis; we don’t have Gym Shorts for a coach and we don’t have Jerry Jones as our owner/GM. If I didn’t hate the Kitties so much I’d actually feel sorry for their fans. Same with the Cowgirls. The McCaskey’s can make you crazy (well, Mikey for sure) but I truly believe George has the passion/respect for the game and the good sense to stay out of the way. Hopefully we have the right HC and GM in place. If we do, we might actually get to the promised land in the near future.

  • Jeremy Toren

    The data to explain the disparity between the Browns’ points allowed and yards allowed is simple: Brandon Weeden (and Jason Campbell and the rest of those turds). Having a shitty QB who turns the ball over and can’t move it on offense leads to the opponents getting short fields, thus racking up points without needing as many yards.

  • MB30SD

    Today is the 28 year anniversary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5UFI0Xkbg8

  • MB30SD

    I would like to further submit that Lane Kiffin is THE biggest fucking asshole in the entire world of football. How that cunt continues to get gigs in the game baffles me man

    Hey lane, fuck you!!!

    http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/lane-kiffin-told-alshon-jeffery-he-would-be-pumping-gas-all-his-life

    • ErikGrogan

      He’s the definition of douche nozzle.

      • MB30SD

        awwwww… look at you.

        How are you Erik? Hope you and the wife have a great xmas lad. We miss you around here.

        • ErikGrogan

          We are doing quite well. I miss you guys too.

          • SC Dave

            Door is still open, young man. We can toss another log on the fire if’n you care to hang around a bit.

          • ErikGrogan

            I’m always around.

  • MB30SD

    would summa you guys watch soccer if it was just an hour of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHfa0F9rHSM#t=86

  • MB30SD

    BOOM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYIiPq8tG0

    My Hanukkah present to myself… tomorrow.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      That watch is tempting me. I hate lugging around gigantic phones. It messes up my svelte fashion. So it pretty much does what other ‘smart’ cells do, right? Pictures, songs, internet, videos? Only draw back is that its memory prob isn’t all that great, and the pixels might suffer, but if it can do the rest while being fast and intuitive, then I may look into it.

      James Bond, bitches!

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        hmmmm…here’s a review. Maybe not so much.

        http://reviews.cnet.com/samsung-galaxy-gear/

        • MB30SD

          after watching that review, how in god’s name can you not want that watch!?!?

          Because you thought it WAS the phone?

          I can’t wait even more now. Hee hee

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            It’s not water-proof! What if I want to go scuba diving during shark week!

            Yeah, I know never buy 1st gen devices right away (hence why I’m staying away from PS4 till it’s smaller, faster and cheaper), but watch-cell, c’mon!

            I’m gonna hold off on it until it pretty much acts like a smart phone – like a water proof smart phone whose battery life doesn’t die after 1 day.

          • MB30SD

            good luck with that grampa!

            ..and stay the hell off my grass you god damned little punks!

      • MB30SD

        I’m a gadget whore maings. Never buy gen1 tech. But again, I can’t resist… and I’m moving to verizon’s edge program where I can upgrade my phone every 6 months. Boo Yah!

        you need a phone to go with it. I current;y have the Samsung Galaxy note II. Upgrading to the Note III. I have people ask if my phone is an iPad mini… the III is even bigger. Love it!

        Best phone I’ve ever had. I’ll let you know how it is.

    • Shady

      Just get the original. You were around when these first came out, right?

  • Cormonster

    Christmas song from “The Feelin”. I used to see this guy live all the time before he got famous last year.

    https://m.soundcloud.com/thefeelin/o-holy-night-by-nicholas

  • ErikGrogan

    .. There’s been a lot of speculation in regards to Jay Cutler’s contract situation. Many think Cutler’s still the starter for the Chicago Bears and many think he’s played his last game at Solider Field. All in all, there are some clues to this puzzle that should answer more questions than people think. Let’s start with what Phil Emery had to say about using the franchise tag on Jay Cutler.

    “The franchise tag for the quarterback position has unique challenges because the average comes out to be such a big portion of your cap and your total money available to spend on other players to acquire to help your team. With the franchise tag being so high for the quarterback position, to use it and not sign the individual to a long-term deal hurts the team because you lose the ability to prorate the amount of guaranteed salary over the length of the contract. Proration lowers the salary cap number in relation to that player’s contract. Obviously the lower the number in relation to the salary cap, the more players you can sign to help your team reach its goals.”- Phil Emery

    If you ever get a chance to listen to Phil Emery talk, you should listen. The Chicago Bears’ general manager displays a sense of leadership and accountability that’s been missing for quite some time in Halas Hall. Plus, he tries to explain the exact situation to fans and in the process, educates them. That being said, in his little message above, Emery doesn’t sound too inclined to franchise tag his quarterback, whoever that might be. With the franchise tag for starting quarterbacks at 16.2 million for one year of service, who can blame him?

    It’s a big risk and Phil Emery is all about calculated risk. There’s a reason he traded two 3rd round picks to Miami for troubled wide receiver, Brandon Marshall. Let’s not forget it was Phil Emery that traded up for Alshon Jeffery in the 2012 NFL draft. Above all, Phil Emery brought in current head coach, Marc Trestman, who has the current Bears’ offense playing at level that most Bears’ fans haven’t seen in years. Thus, when Phil Emery makes a move, he’s weighed out the risk and rewards in his decision. That’s why when Phil Emery sounds like he doesn’t want to use the franchise tag to solidify the quarterback position, he must have another plan. A well thought out plan, which brings me to Marc Trestman and what he has to say about Jay Cutler and Josh McCown.

    According to Jason LaCanfora, Marc Trestman has told some people that Josh McCown reminds him a lot of his former quarterback, Rich Gannon. To remind some of you, Rich Gannon was the quarterback that Trestman coordinated to Superbowl 37 during his Oakland years as a offensive coordinator. Care to take a guess how old Gannon was when he signed with the Raiders that 1999 season? If you guessed 34, you are correct. Which ironically, is the same age Josh McCown is right now. Hence, why a lot of people are calling Josh McCown the new Rich Gannon. Add in McCown’s 13 passing touchdowns, one interception, and stellar 109.8 quarterback ratting, you could make the case that McCown should be the starter. Marc Trestman says otherwise.

    “There’s no change in the plan. We’ll see where Jay is this week. He’ll have to be released by the doctors. When Jay is ready to play, he’ll be playing.”- Marc Trestman

    Trestman said this just moments after the Monday game versus the Dallas Cowboys. Take that in people, just moments after his starting quarterback for that game threw four touchdowns. Moments after his offense never punted the ball once. Moments after Josh McCown became the first Bears’ quarterback to throw three straight 300 yard games. I don’t know about you, but if Trestman had any thoughts or plans on moving on without Cutler at the helm, he’s got a funny way of showing it.

    Has it really been five years since Jay Cutler was traded to the Chicago Bears? Jeez, time flies by. Sadly, Cutler hasn’t had the great success most Bears’ fans or Cutler himself, dreamed of when he first donned the navy blue and burnt orange jersey. There were dreams and hopes of the Lombardi trophy being hoisted in Chicago again and dare I say, dynasty thoughts? Before Cutler arrived, the Bears had a great defense and special team unit but they were still missing that one glorified piece. It’s a piece that most teams in the NFL are still looking for. That’s why the rumors of Jay Cutler to Nashville, St.Louis, or even Houston, seem so possible. Teams that are desperate for quarterbacks will always overpay for a quarterback. The Chicago Bears did it five years ago and they won’t be the last team to do it either.

    In the end, it’s not going to come down to the Bears if Cutler wants to stay. It’s not even going to come down to Phil Emery or Marc Trestman. In the end, it will come down to where Jay Cutler wants to finish his career at. Right now, Jay Cutler has a lot of options and I’m sure he’s had plenty of time to think about his future. There’s no doubt in my mind, Jay Cutler knows his best chance of having a successful long term career is in Chicago, IL. The Bears have finally provided Jay Cutler with an improved offensive line, multiple receiving weapons at his disposal, and an offensive minded coach that caters to his talents, something he never had in his previous four seasons as a Chicago Bear. Quite frankly, there’s only one thing stopping Jay Cutler from staying in a navy blue and brunt orange jersey, money. Idon’t see Bears’ general manager, Phil Emery, overpaying or utilizing the franchise tag on Jay Cutler. In my opinion, Phil Emery and Cliff Stein have a set price for Cutler and Cutler already knows it. Emery and Trestman are two meticulous and driven individuals, who’s only goal is to bring multiple championships to Chicago. If that’s not Jay Cutler’s goal then I don’t think he’s the answer for the Bears and Bears’ fans should be happy if chooses to go somewhere else.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      This is how I see it.

      Emery/Trest do have a set price on Cutler. Don’t know what it is, but I surmise it’s $18M/yr, but that won’t be the first year. Like I pointed out before, I expect a Romo-ish contract which starts at about $8-11M the first year, then escalates from there (with some stay healthy incentives).

      Just like with Forte, there’ll be give-and-take, but I don’t think Emery budges from going over $18M avg/yr.

      If Cutler and Co want more plus tons of signing bonus, then Emery will simply move on, just like with Urlacher. Nothing personal, just trying to keep the cap manageable and remain competitive.

      That’s how I see it at least.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        Oh, and I replied to your gmail, artoo.

    • SC Dave

      Your writing has definitely improved, Erik.

      • gpldan

        Yes, minus the Emery ass kissing – it was well written Erik.

    • did you just copy and paste your PFN article?

      are you scared of links?

      • ErikGrogan

        Yes, I did. No, I’m not. I think everyone knows how to zoom over to our site. I just thought I would share it all on here instead of the other route.

        • good thing we’re not paying you to think. or to do our taxes.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Willis McGahee is listed as questionable after leaving Sunday’s game in Foxboro with a concussion. I believe the Browns released Bobby Rainey who is now having great success in Tampa. Heaven forbid that this means we have to watch some “Immortal” back like Fozzy Whitaker or Chris Ogbonnaya rush for 150 against the Bears on Sunday in Cleveland. Yes, folks, THE Fozzy Whitaker.

    • AlbertInTucson

      BTW, McGahee is averaging less than 3 yards a pop and hasn’t rushed for as many as 75 yards in any game so far so the season so if he DOES play Sunday and breaks the Century mark it’ll be BAAAAD news.

      • MB30SD

        ESPN on the tv said he’s out, not questionable al

        • AlbertInTucson

          I’m not sure whether that’s good news or bad. Fozzy Whitaker? Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.

    • Shady
      • AlbertInTucson

        Yup. “Wocka, wocka!”

  • AlbertInTucson

    I’m sure most of us are aware that NBC has exercised their “Flex” option for 12/22 and it will be Bears-Eagles instead of Pats-Ravens.

  • MB30SD
    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      colon, parenthesis

      http://youtu.be/tUd8Qs_DAZ0

      • MB30SD

        God I hate Seinfeld. What a fucking annoying show.

        • Shady

          Turn in your J card.

          • MB30SD

            no, that’s the reason. turrible stereo types of us. bunch of crazy whiny jews. Lovely portrayal

            (yeah, I know like 75% of New York jews are exactly like that)

          • Shady

            How you not find Larry David hilarious is beyond me.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            He also orders celery at Buffalo Wings, so there’s that.

          • MB30SD

            lame

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Elaine isn’t even Jewish! In fact, she’s a Schiksta. She’s got schiksta-peal.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            you’re whining now! Oh, the Seinfeldian irony.

          • Cormonster

            Why do you always refer to yourself as a Jew when you don’t believe in God? Middle Eastern origins?

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            There’s such a thing as a cultural Jew, cultural Catholic…yada yada yada…some may argue that the title itself describes the definition, and therefore certain terms are inherently illogical like “immortal man,” (man IS mortal, to say otherwise is a contradiction), but let’s not get Wittgensteinian here…yada yada.

          • gpldan

            Did you just name drop Wittgenstein on DBB?

            I am uncertain if I should add or subtract blog points for this.

          • MB30SD

            you wouldn’t understand corm.

            We’re all of african and/or middle eastern origin maings. But no, I’m half russian and half hungarian… with a little spanish.

            Being christian isn’t the same. being christian is ALL about religion… being jewish is a culture/nationality/AND if you’re so inclined, religion too.

            NB, care to give your $.02?

          • i’m jewish in that i eat matzoh ball soup on passover and rosh hashana. i’ll fast on every other purim because it never hurts to spend a day not eating and thinking back on the year that’s passed. i don’t go to temple. i don’t speak hebrew. i don’t keep kosher.

            for me, it’s about culture and traditions.

            also? jewish girls started putting out at a younger age than their christian counterparts. which was awesome for 13-year-old me.

          • MB30SD

            Hahahahaha… another tribesman. excellent.

            I’m the exact same way ev. Although I’ve never even dated a jewish girl. For some reason the blond big tittied schiksas always did it for me. Although my one buddy swears that jewish girls love sex more than xstian girls cause there’s no guilt or threat of god seeing them sin.

            I think it’s bullshit, but maybe I’m missing out.

          • in the teenage years i can see that being the case. but if a girl is still scared of god at this point in life, is that the sort of girl you want to be getting down with anyway?

          • Cutty Badger don’t give a fuck

            are you Mr. Money Mustache?

          • i’m whatever you want me to be.

        • SC Dave

          I tried to watch that show, but it just was not funny/

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

    bottom line… we need to win our remaining games and Detroit needs to lose at least one. Sheesh… tall order

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Can we beat Philly? And are we underestimating the Browns D?

      • MB30SD

        any given sunday maings. We’re gonna find out.

        here’s my personal stance after all the horrible injury luck we’ve had this year… anything more than our guys sitting at home on their couches watching the first round is a massive win and a very nice surprise. And a great feather in PE and MT’s cap(s). Something very good to build on.

        PE will make me a lifelong fan of his if he does to the D this coming off season what he did to the O last. That’s where the rubber will hit the road.

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          +100…I’m hoping Riley Cooper & Files don’t eat Conte/Wright for dinner…but I actually think we can outscore them. Browns D? Tougher than most think.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, the eagles have the capacity to eat us alive, but everyone’s focusing on the lion’s game. I keep hearing the idiots at ESPN talking about how insane a run game philly has and how the lion’s run d is the worst thing ever.

            I just shake my head…. you’re being morons and just trying to big up the story… there was a fucking foot of snow on the field in the middle of a full scale blizzard!!!! How the hell can you extrapolate anything from that game to a normal scenario?!?

            (that said, slim shady has become one of my favorite players in the NFL. Guy is amazing. like a mix between walter lite and barry sanders lite. One of the best RBs of our time when he stays healthy)

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            It’s why we love the media….their ability to see the big picture. All we need now is for Don Banks to explain how snow helps cold weather teams like Detroit, dome be damned.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I AM confident the Lions will lose another one.

      Bears winning out? No so much.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    I got some time to kill, so I’ll troll the board.

    1. No more knee diving? Well, if defenders can’t hit them uptop, and if they can’t dive low, are they expected to form tackle every single time? That’s ridicules. Too fast, too strong, too many angles. If a corner sees Lynch running at him one on one, you’re honestly expecting him to form tackle? That cb is diving, and that RB better know how to avoid that.

    The radical option I would propose is this.

    OK, make BLATANT diving at the knees illegal (which would be hard to enforce since it seems like it would be a subjective call). However, allow helmet-to-helmet back into the game. Let’s face it. Fans want to see those hits, and players would rather get rung than get a torn ACL-MCL-LCL.

    Here’s the caveat though. Any player gets concussed, they miss a minimum of 2 weeks. None of this “light concussion protocol” b.s. like this week with Lamar Miller who miraculous recovers in a week. Maybe even make it a month, mandatory. Most studies have shown that coming back too soon from concussions are what really causes the damage, so helmet-to-helmet is back, but if you get concussed, you’re out a month.

    That will get rid of knee diving AND make defenders think twice about spearing because there’s a chance THEY’LL get concussed and have to miss a month (and if they return and get concussed again, they’ll miss another 2 months).

    Obviously some head-hunters like Swole won’t care, but this will seriously rest concussed players, while reducing ACL tears AND still being able to watch big hits. WIN WIN in my book.

    • bearsfantillend

      Just got a couple questions on knee injuries.
      1st. Are ACL tears truly up over the last couple years? I think they are but i don’t know for sure, and players have been blowing out knees for as long as i can remember.

      2nd. What impact has the new CBA with its limited off season work outs and practice have on the increase in knee injuries? since there is less training in the off season, be it from the new CBA this year or the lockout last year, would it not be logical to suspect that players have not built up strength in their knees, which they have in years past with more offseason work, that would help limit the catastrophic injuries. How many times have we seen players hold out or get picked up late in the off season only to have fairly serious leg injuries shortly after they start playing?

      3rd. Have there been any changes in equipment? For instance, are they using different types of cleats, which could affect stability? What, if any, impact has the requirement for players to wear extra pads this year on their legs?

      4th. What surface are these injuries taking place on? for years it has been stated that artificial field turf was the cause of many knee injuries. with the new types of field turfs, is this till the case? Are their more injuries on one particular type of field turf or grass?

      My main point is that players have always blown out knees because of hits and turf issues. Is there truly an increase in these injures because more players are hitting low or are there other factors that have come about? Knee injuries have always been part of the game, some are fluke occurrences where players get rolled up on, some are due to turf issues, and some are truly caused by low hits. And of course who can forget Gramatica blowing out his knee celebrating a 40yrd field goal in the 1st quarter of a game.

    • gpldan

      The Law of Unintended Consequences, maing.

      What are your incentives for people to do?

      By mandating the time a concussion takes a player out of the game but allowing helmet to helmet hits without flags – you are creating a whole gang of Swoles who will be headhunting like crazy. If I’m Bill Bellicheat, who looks for any angle he can to win – I am hiring back Meriweather and when we play the Bears – I want head shots to knock out Marshall.

      Division games would be 10x worse. The Ravens – Steelers games would get people killed. Gonna face these guys in 2 weeks in the playoffs? Let’s make sure to concuss Wallace and force him out for the playoff game.

      I think it creates more issues than it solves. I don’t know what the answer is – the NFL simply has to accept that what happened to Gronk is a side effect of the no hitting up high and no horse-collaring policy. The game needs to adapt by having more lanky speedsters at TE than these giant mountain men. Guys whose legs won’t get blown up with low tackles.

      If teams want stout blocking instead of speed at TE, then pull the Britton formation and just go twin tackles. It’s a trade off.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        employing a bunch of marauding Swoles comes with it’s risk too though, GP.

        Often those head-hunters are the ones who get concussed, and not the receivers (or both). So Swole and other head-hunters would knock themselves out for a month too, which would hurt their team.

        Concussions cut both ways, and that’s why I think MOST defenders would still think twice because they wouldn’t want to risk missing a month and maybe losing their job in that span or hurting their team in general.

        Just a thought. If we really wanted to further penalize concussions (not helmet to helmet), we could fine them or suspend their paycheck for that month, but I think that would be excessive.

        • MB30SD

          James Starks: ‘Yeah, try that shit with me you little bitch’

          http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000244297/Meriweather-injury

          Dude got knocked tha FUGG out!

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            hahahs exactly.

            In my scenario, one month out for Fat Eddie who the Swole knocked out earlier, and a month out for Swole for being knocked. I’m telling you, my proposition just might be crazy enough to work.

            Merriweather wants to come back after that month off and try that shit again, he better not get knocked the fuck out again cuz under my reign, that would be TWO months out.

  • gpldan

    Here’s an even bigger troll –

    Has Josh McCown’s effective game management techniques of throwing the ball away – and his near calamity when he tried to make something out of nothing with the Long shovel pass – taught Cutler to cure himself of Jeff George-itis?

    Jeff George-itis is the idea that your cannon arm is the ultimate trump card; no matter what the situation you can backpedal and unleash the cannon and make throws that often end as pics or Pick-6s. Also see: Farve-atating.

    Or is Jeff Georging as he did in this year’s first Lions game, simply too much a part of Jay to be cured? Is he going to turn into a Zombie, or is it not too late to chop off his id and save him?

    • MB30SD

      he’ll never be cured of that. You are either a maverick or not… just ask sara pal… I can’t I can’t even type that buffoon’s name.

      Cutty will never be josh mccown and josh mccown will never be cutty.

      Cue Dr. Frankenstien!

      • DaMurph

        Palin?

        • MB30SD

          thank you murph.

          • DaMurph

            Anything for you MB!

  • gpldan

    I watch this video and I still laugh my ass off. That team in blue and yellow was dog meat for a bunch of Rotties:

    • SC Dave

      That 4th down roll out is amazing… how can you not cover Payton on that play?!? Inept.

      But in general, the Rams D must have been okay.

    • SC Dave

      And when I think about that shit, it’s really such a shame the Patriots scored at all. 0 points allowed in the playoffs is an unbeatable record.

  • Shady

    I hope Yonny is staying away from sports talk radio/TV/newspaper/magazine and interness. It’s enough to drive a fan cray cray.

    • now, what happens if, and this is fully hypothetical here, cutty gets behind center and he can’t move the offense? what happens if he’s back in the pocket and he has the same lack of success he was having in the lions game before he got hurt again?

      does he get pulled because we can’t afford to lose the game?

      • SC Dave

        This line of thought had definitely occurred to me. Hopefully, Trestman would pull Cutler in time for us to win, if that is what’s needed. It’s about the team, not the man.

      • Shady

        Cutler started that game on fire, but coming out of the locker room at the start of the 3rd he looked like his injury was preventing him from moving comfortably in and around the pocket. Trestman made a decision, that came a quarter too late in my mind, to sit Jay and put in McCown. The offensive line was struggling to block Suh and Co. and the Bears needed a QB who wouldn’t be limited in terms of play calling and mobility.

        So to answer your question, yes, if Jay is grabbing himself and limping around Trestman needs to pull him ASAP. Otherwise if Jay is healthy, you stick with your #1. It’s not that complicated.

        • so if he’s healthy at the half, but we’re down 17-3 with him having a line of 9/20, 94 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT, you keep him in?

          not saying he’ll do that. again, just playing in hypothetical land. i want to see what we can do with jay, but i also want to keep beating the piss out of opposing Ds.

          • MB30SD

            yeah, this is THE critical, very tough scenario ev.

            I think trest sticks with jay in that scenario, even though I personally think you sit jay and bring in mccown, because if he does sit cutty, he is basically saying cutty’s not our guy any more and he’s gone next year.

          • SC Dave

            Maybe MB. Or maybe it’s just a recognition that you have a guy on the bench that for whatever reason(s) is making things happen. So you go with him and start Jay again the next week when more of the rust flakes have been banged off?

          • Cutty Badger don’t give a fuck

            nope, starting qb starts when healthy. Especially after the shit he’s put up with for years. He’s the top gun and you go with the top gun until the bullets are spent. Dallas was awesome but their defense sucks cock and everyone rapes them.
            Cleveland is #4 defense and we need to push the pace. Cutler is the guy end of story. Now go worry about the defense. We should be concerned about about 99 other things than this right?

          • Cutty Badger don’t give a fuck

            literally, #99 Shea fucking McClellin.

          • MB30SD

            hee hee

  • Still a Doug Plank Fan

    To Jeff’s tweet about McCown and the 3 potential picks…..
    It isn’t about him being “The Hot Hand” at all. It’s about a backup QB with a high football IQ who has had the time and opportunity to digest the Trestman system. He was teaching the offense to rookies and newbies in preseason. So he’s earned his graduate degree, period.
    Cutler is the starter, and he’s got the better arm, no doubt. None zero zip. What cannot be argued is that at this late stage in the season, it’s McCown who has kept us afloat in the playoff race.
    The three potential picks? Are we calling him stupid and lucky now because those didn’t happen? Watch game film of before Cutty was pulled, from game one to then. Every QB in the league gets lucky now and then, Cutty included. Jeff’s brought those non-picks up a couple of times, and for me, they are a non-story.

    • AlbertInTucson

      The Third shouldn’t even be mentioned. Marshall was open and the INT was clearly created by the penalty that was called otherwise it would have been another completion.

      • gpldan

        Also, once on a crossing route for the TD and once on a screen setup, McCown saw it was developing incorrectly and threw the ball into the dirt. Does Cutler EVER do that?

        • MB30SD

          had the same thought… the answer is no, definitely no.

          He tries to rocket laser burn it into the only 4″ x 4″ hole possible

          • AlbertInTucson

            I disagree. Strongly. Yes, he still tries to (and often DOES) “thread the needle” but I submit that Cutler HAS thrown the ball away, to live another play, much more this year than pre-Trestman.

          • SC Dave

            You’re right Al, but so are they. Cutler surely HAS gotten better at throwing it away, but it still worries me to be honest.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The same throws that create “WOW, what a fantastic play!” also beget “OHHH. CRAP! Why did he throw THAT?!”.

            You can’t have one without the other.

            The Rocket Arm giveth and the Rocket Arm taketh away.

          • MB30SD

            I agree with that Al… he’s gotten much better, but it’s in the blood.

          • Cutty Badger don’t give a fuck

            what do you want more MB? the chance for a feel good 8-8 or 9-7 season because McCown was a nice side story or win out 10-6 because we took fucking chances and went with the high ceiling with the ability to stretch it out…..wide.

          • MB30SD

            you know where I am maings. As long as he stays on the field to get us there, I’m a cutty guy… warts and all.

            Love having mccown there in case he gets hurt, but like I wondered out loud a couple threads back… is this one of those amazing ‘it all came together to happen’ seasons for josh like farve’s last or ap last year? feels like it to me.

            Yonny Macho!!! Back in black baby. We knew you couldn’t just rage-quit us.

          • Cutty Badger don’t give a fuck

            lol, I wanted to hunt down Berwyn bomber and Dave and kill them in their sleep but then realized they are probably just normal guys that like to talk about football and are a little down on my guy. Their opinions, like mine, mean nothing and won’t change anything that happens in the Bears world.
            I think McCown is lamenting the fact that he played for a bunch of years with bullshit supporting cast with bullshit schemes and no continuity. Kind of like Jay. They are both in a system that they could ride out for years as a 1-2 combo. It would be great for the team if it happened like that and I hope it does. I like having a competent backup that the team likes and respects. I love having a elite level talent that is finally surrounded by elite talent. Hey, elite hall of fame talent surrounding you on offense and defense can get a guy like Bradshaw into the hall of fame with a 1:1 td int ratio and a 70 QBR rating. He’s pittsburghs Matt Leinart. I digress.

          • MB30SD

            new thread, I’ll give you a nugget there

  • MB30SD
    • gpldan

      Thanks.

      Mixed feelings about this decision. Very mixed.

      • MB30SD

        me too. we’ll see.

  • MB30SD

    here you go $ and shady

    http://www.rantlifestyle.com/?p=7229

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Bob Sacamano knows a guy who sells rat-hats in central park…

      Never donned on me that he never even appeared on one episode.

  • MB30SD

    Hey tobi… this is the ONLY reason I’d ever own a cat: http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/191/799/7/S1917997/original.gif?v=1

    • tobijohn

      MB, just to get the record straight, I am NOT some crazy cat lady. I got drafted into this cat army, I did NOT enlist. I was perfectly happy before there were any cats in my life. We moved down here eleven years ago with one and all I can say is that once you’re past two, it’s a slippery slope. When my ex (who WAS the crazy cat lady) moved on, she could only take four, so I got stuck with the other eight. And for various reasons, the ones I was left with are not particularly adoptable meaning the only other option was to have them put down. Being a product of the Catholic educational system as well as suffering from the “oldest child syndrome”, I am primarily motivated by guilt, obligation and the fear of disappointing anybody so that was not an option for me. Alas, it’s a “for better or for worse and until death do us part” deal. And anytime there’s a piece of decent meat on my plate, I’ll be fighting them off to get my fair share…

      • MB30SD

        You’re a good soul tobi.

        The only part that makes me question your story is your facebook advertisement pic on your car.

        • tobijohn

          That’s for laughs. Same as the vanity plate (MR WRONG). I’m usually the butt of my own jokes…

          • MB30SD

            I was just giving you a hard time tobi J

          • tobijohn

            Don’t I know it, Herr Jigglemeister….

  • Shady

    I don’t get it. Cutler had been playing well before his injury. McCown comes in against terrible pass defense teams, does well, and somehow that creates resentment against Cutler? I don’t get it. The only thing I can think of is that people have their minds and opinions made before this season because Jay has done nothing this year to garner this type of criticism and hostility.

    • SC Dave

      McCown has played better than Jay this season. It’s really that simple.

      Do we think Jay has more talent? No doubt. Hopefully, it will be on full display Sunday and we can all rest easier.

    • BerwynBomber

      Resentment? I’m not getting that. Also I don’t get the McCown-played-against-horrible-defenses argument as it applies to this year. Did Jay play against great ones? I think only Cincy was decent, right? Or am I forgetting a team?

      • Cutty Badger don’t give a fuck

        Just a couple:

        Browns 4
        Bengals 6
        Saints 8
        Giants 11
        Steelers 13
        Lions 15

      • Shady

        McCown has done most of his work against weaker defenses — including the Redskins (22nd in total defense), Packers (21st), Rams (19th) and Vikings (31st). He’s faced only one defense that ranks in the top 10 in total defense (the Ravens, ninth).

        Cutler faced three defenses that currently rank in the top 10 — the Bengals (eighth), Saints (sixth) and Giants (10th). He also faced the Steelers, who are not the defense they’ve been, but still rank 12th in the NFL in total yards allowed.

        http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/inside-the-bears/cutler-vs-mccown-why-some-numbers-dont-quite-add-up/

        • BerwynBomber

          Fair enough, good points. I had forgotten about the Saints — but it was a loss anyway — and I would have never guessed the G-men’s D was rated that high. Anyway, I’m all for Cutler being the starter over McCown. But just as you don’t get the Cutler “resentment” I don’t get the McCown belittling. In fact, I tend to the think the people who engage in each are just the extremists on the opposite ends of the Jay Cutler love him/hate him spectrum. Or to think of it another way: I don’t trust those who think Cutler is a wuss but I also don’t trust people who think he’s the toughest QB around.

  • gpldan

    Here’s a holiday video for Trac – you really should watch all 4 minutes of it.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-december-10-2013/tuesdays-with-mourning

  • AlbertInTucson

    Too bad Briggs isn’t (and likely will NOT be) cleared to play. The D Unit could use a boost. Hopefully, mr. Ratliff will continue to become more of a factor with two games under his belt.

  • MB30SD
  • BerwynBomber

    I’m not a huge fan of Cutler — in fact, I think he is a bad long-term investment — but I’m supportive of the switch. Why? Well, if he is your QB of the future, you might as well get the future started now. Secondly, if there is any doubt about signing him you might as well see as much possible what you have. Yes, his stats were a little better, but he was only .500 as a starter, and as others have pointed out, if you take out the mop-up detail at the end of the first Detroit game and the NO game, his QB rating is basically the exact same as it was under Lovie. Lastly, I think we know what we have in McCown: a Gannon-like journeyman who thrives under Trestman.

    • Cutty Badger don’t give a fuck

      it’s a tough gig being a QB sometimes
      1. When your guys make the catches you’re the savior
      2. When your guys drop the catches you’re the reason
      3. When your coach experiences growing pains playcalling it’s on you to overcome somehow
      4. When your coach is hitting on all cylinders you can do no wrong
      5. When you win it’s a team victory
      6. When you lose it’s your fault
      7. When you don’t have to pass for 5K a year you’re a game manager
      8. When you have to pass for 5K a year you usually don’t go anywhere in the season
      9. When you don’t play when hurt you’re soft and unreliable
      10. When you play when hurt but you lose you’re selfish
      It doesn’t matter what you think about Cutler and if you thought an exciting comeback in Detroit where the Lions were not in prevent and couldn’t stop the Bears or if Trestman got outcoached and the D got embarrassed by Saints was mop up time. I’m going to let the season play out with our starting quarterback and improving offense needing to carry the day. Then Im going to watch him get re-signed so the offense can grow further while they fix the D. It’s a short term and mid term solution. There are no long term solutions in the NFL unless your definition of long term is 5years.

  • Cutty Badger don’t give a fuck

    I’m back you fucking pussies. Cutty Badger don’t give a fuck. I love some of you too much to let a small handful of homegrown trolls throw me off my game.
    I had a nice couple of days away but had to log back in to tell you a semi related story which hits close to home on my scale of 1 to “holy fucking shit you can’t be that dumb”.
    A caller on ESPN 1000 today mentioned that Cutler wasn’t a guy who could have success without being surrounded by talent on all sides. It was all Carmen and Jurko could do not to laugh this guy off the air as he was so adamant and sure of his position.
    Did this caller use logic? Nope.
    Did this caller use examples of the last 4 years regarding these all star pieces surrounding Cutler? Nope.
    Did this caller use examples of other quarterbacks who HAD done something with absolutely nothing around them? Oh yes he did…..except the examples he used were
    1. Brett Favre
    2. Aaron Rodgers
    3. Archie Manning
    Anyway, the Bears play a really solid defense this week ranked #4 in the Cleveland Browns. I know they are no vaunted Dallas Cowboy defense ranked #2 or 3 I believe but I feel good knowing that Trestman CAN in fact call short yardage, 3rd down and red zone plays with a fucking solid amount of common sense and that Jay will execute said offense to the tune of 3 TD’s, 0 INT, 315yds and a huge dose of shut the fuck up.
    The Bears first year offense has been improving every week this year and credit must be given to Trestman/Kromer, Cutler, McCown the WR’s and the O line.
    The offense can’t be run by just anybody but we certainly don’t need it to be a 1999 Kurt Warner doing it. We do need to score a shit ton of points and we need to be aggressive. Trestman has not been aggressive this year with his passing calls but after watching the tape of the Dallas game he would be missing great opportunities if he didn’t test Cleveland in the seam, on fade routes and on the unstoppable back shoulder fade. The red zone will be fun to watch.
    I also just found out that Danny Mac is on leave for “mental issues”. Thank fucking god. That fucking piece of shit has been dragging his depression into the booth for years and we’ve all suffered for it. By mental issues I mean booze and weed and the ensuing depression of knowing you got yourself fired from yet another radio job.
    Bears.

  • MB30SD

    Hahahahaha… almost back into the top 10. All we need is 3 more wins!

    Chicago Bears (7-6)
    Forget about breaking the bank for Jay Cutler or Josh McCown. With Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffery, Martellus Bennett and Matt Forte on that offense, quarterbacks should be paying Chicago for the chance to start there.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20131211/nfl-power-rankings-week-14-seattle-seahawks/#ixzz2nJ8mJTWj

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